What If VIEWERS Voted On The Map After WW2
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- Опубліковано 9 жов 2023
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Vote for the outcome of WW1!: (I was in a rush, borders will look better in the video)
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Welcome to a unique interactive experience! In this video, we explore the aftermath of World War II, specifically focusing on the borders that were drawn up by the world powers. But what if those decisions were in your hands? How would you redraw the world map? This is your chance to cast your vote and make your voice heard. Join us as we delve into history, discuss the implications of these borders, and give you the power to reshape our world. Don’t forget to like, share, and subscribe for more interactive history content. Your vote counts!
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"The biggest argument against democracy is letting people vote for a fictional peace deal."
- Winston Churchill, 2023
Stalin after the peace conference "I've said it before and I'll say it again comrades, democracy doesn't work"
"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried" - Churchill before watching this video
@@Godzilla00XLove homer simpson
@@Godzilla00X wasn't Stalin a defender of democracy and personal freedom? He did say once that he can hardly imagine a starving person being free
@@minestar2247 xd u gotta be kidding bro
I love how the division of Rome from Italy is predicated on the same concept of Prussia being dismantled from Germany because of 'Prussian militarism'
While Prussia comes back
I need an alternative scenario where Italy 🇮🇹 carry all the major european war with the objective of restoring the Roman Empire, but it's somehow extremely competent and efficient.
@@emib6599 like a what if everything went right for modern italy?
@@henninglaksholm3297
Nope 🙅🏻 because modern Italy had some very inferior ideas 💡 of local maritime egemony in the Mediterranean at maximum and the Roman empire was joke propaganda for ignorant masses.
I mean the late 1800 Italy that was formed only for few decades and it still had political movement that really wanted the whole Roman Empire back not as a propaganda symbol but as real territorial unification of Europe, North Africa and Middle East under one government.
@@emib6599LOSE OF ROMAN EMPİRE 1453m
> USSR wins war.
> USSR looses territory.
Your tactics confuse and frighten me, sir.
Just like in the congress
Its ok, it just shows how people dont know nor understand so much, but they think they do, and its all make pretend anyway, lets have fun :D
This is gonna go so awful, and I'm all here for it.
We are the worst diplomats the world has ever seen
@@ColinWilliams-ml9bx 100%.
I tried to be fair and this is horrible. I think I did vote for Mongolia tho.
Anyway do the World War One vote.
What u guys vote for on Alsace??
Why hello there old sport
Jack?
I love the fact that overtime Possible History has just embraced the fact the viewers are going to fuck everything up and is having to play yes man for them anyway with thinly veiled criticism of their decisions
I voted for western victory in everything. Would there be an option I would order an Allied invasion of the USSR and its balkanization also.
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714least biased viewer's opinion
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 are you serious? The soviet union was a bastion of communism, democracy and personal freedom, also, that would have been impossible because of it's strengh
@@minestar2247 Ah yes famous democraticly elected leader Stalin and the democratic staples of the Gulag and NKVD.
@@MayoOverlord Yes, Stalin was kinda like Roosevelt's first term. But the people did have a right of vote for local representatives, even if it was 1 party, they needed 50% at least of the people to vote for them, even the hospitalised and imprisoned. The us has the highest prison population in the world, even higher than the gulags, even in percentages
Congrats on making China the sole future Superpower of Asia by Balkanizing India, Congrats Guys
Thanks, India is not a nation state, unlike China.
Real great guys, this won't be awdul in 80 years from now.
India is not a nation state.
India is not a nation.
India has many nations inside.
Clearly the answer to an unstable Yugoslavia wasn't a strongman (Tito), it was to make it even larger. That's sure to make it more stable! Particularly since the USSR would be so content with this map, they certainly wouldn't do anything to destabilise it...
They should also add western Slavs to Yugoslavia. That wiuld surely work out well
The viewers' solution to the Balkan powder keg is apparently trying to stuff the keg so full of powder that there isn't enough oxygen to support a flame that would set it off.
I think people voted for beeg Yugoslavia solely on the assumption that Tito would still be leading it. Given what happened OTL, I have full confidence that he could have held all of it together until his death, so no real harm done compared to OTL as I don't think the addition of Bulgaria would make the Yugoslav collapse much worse because they would probably just leave. And in the meantime, the people of Bulgaria get to enjoy the benefits of Tito's superior version of communism.
Yeah, if anyone could make this Frankenstein abomination last for most of the Cold War then it'd probably be Tito.
@@plasmakitten4261also with the addition of the Bulgars the Serbs will no longer be so mono Dominant .... which may have consequences down the line .... maybe even preventing the dissolution for longer
This was a much less cursed map than I was expecting. Honestly shocked Russia didn’t get carved up more than Germany.
Wins the war, loses territory in the victory treaty.
Best scenario for WW2 would've been an alliance of Poland, Germany, Britain, France and perhaps others against the Soviet Union. This could've been possible if a more moderate leader came to power in Germany in the 1930s instead of A.H. or if A.H. was removed from power before 1939. Germany could still get most of the territory it had by the end of 1938 without having really bad relations with Britain and France. Germany could have given guarantees to defend Eastern European countries against Soviet aggression. An alliance between Germany, Britain and France was possible before the German occupation of Czechia in March 1939. In case of a Soviet attack in this scenario the Soviets wouldn't have any allies or the Lend - Lease and would've been defeated by the European anti-Soviet coalition.
@@hendriktonisson2915what are you talking about, do you even know what sides fought in ww2? the germans were the baddies, not the soviets!
@@jfacum24 I'm talking about an alternate scenario. Read my comment again.
@@jfacum24 He said if there was a more moderate leader, NOT AH, or if he was removed before 1939. Actually read the comment.
POV: MacArthur wrote the peace deal
Seems like these viewers are experts at making peace deals that last all of five minutes. Also, they really, really despise Russia.
now they're going to feel the wrath of the soviets
Given current events, it's not surprising.
@@wires-sl7gs Yes, it's also extremely predictable and boring.
@@kevinboros7427 Agreed
@@kevinboros7427It is also immature
A very wise man once said: "Letting the internet decide on ANYTHING, is like giving a machine gun to a chimp."
And I think that's beautiful.
We're talking about entertainment, so of course it is!
Yeah, or even better, giving a tank to a band of chimps
Slippin Jimmy i can handle just fine but Slippin Jimmy with a law degree is like a chimp with a machine gun-
it works sometimes, but most of the time it backfires heavily
I will do it and you can't stop me
This will be so humiliating for Russia, waiting for another video where WW3 starts over this
Hope we’ll be able to vote for the peace treaty of that WW3
@@alphabetaomega265 we can create an infinite series then
@@hendriktonisson2915 No
@@sprintfoxy1240 Any explanations?
@@hendriktonisson2915 Do i really need too ? Isn't it obvious that letting nazi Germany have great influence like that (they will have control over baltics,Ukraine,Belarus,Moscow and even Poland), creating a massive bloody war and expanding nazi ideology through Europe will doom the world ?
Seeing the French-Piedmontese house of Savoy ruling over Southern Italy and Sardinia is already much of a border gore to me (I know that in our timeline they were the ones who voted for the monarchy to stay, but still)
you could bring back the heir of the house Bourbon-Two Sicilies who ruled that kingdom exact of two sicilies before.
@@MrTohawkTwo Siciles didn't have Sardinia.
@@MrTohawkthis. I am from Southern Italy and some people I know still are 'NeoBourbonists' and believe they were extremely cool unlike stupid Savoy.
Meh, it's not like the fallen Romanovs didn't have German origins. Having foreign relations is kind of a thing for monarchical houses.
> Fights War of Extermination.
> _Loses land and influence._
Great job, viewers. I'm sure this diplomacy would last.
Well they did also start the war with Germany so
and all because of political decisions they made 90 years in the future
@@Gordonjamesheneryproductionsand they were still one of the big three who were victors in the war. I don’t like Stalin or the Soviets but good fucking luck with taking territory from them in a peace treaty where they’re among the victors.
@@Gordonjamesheneryproductions I thought that Germany and the Soviets had a non-aggression pact where they carved up Poland, until Germany invaded the Soviets?
@@voided_sunAll of Europe had non-aggression pacts with Germany. With the division of Poland, everything is generally clear: without it, Germany would have been even stronger, even more people would have been killed in concentration camps and USSR would have had a more difficult time in the war. It was simply a necessary step.
Damn it's a good job all them Soviet troops stationed throughout Eastern Europe just left and went home, glad there was no instability at all
I totally see them just accepting this after having their country absolutely devastated and losing 27 million people. Also I just love that Reddit wants to punish Russia for invading Ukraine so badly that they don’t give Ukraine its territories back from Poland.
Ukraine got caught between the rock (anti-Russian sentiment) and the hard place (pro-Polish sentiment).
Im shocked the redditors let the soviets have anything.
I mean I think PH viewers are actually quite rational about the consequences of their actions except in certain specific cases. They weren't trying to screw over the Soviets, they just really like Poland.
@plasmakitten4261 yeah but I didn't expect the soviets to get anything, I thought it was going to be monarchy and democracy up the wazoo and no soviet expansion in the east, even south sakhalin. Every single one of these polls is basically "Russia bad, Germany good" except this one.
@@mappingshaman5280 Not really, they're all "Poland good, anything that could possibly obstacle Poland bad", and Russia has been an unfortunate casualty of the pro-Poland crusade in both this and the Congress of Vienna videos.
the Soviets would prefer nuclear war to this peace deal.
No way in hell thd Soviets accept this.
Yeah, would of been more acceptable if Russa kept the Baltic and got Poland and Czechoslovakia as puppets.
well they didn't have nukes back then so it wouldn't be much of a war
I mean neither did the allies, they had 3 nukes in the war, 2 were used in Japan. That leaves 1 for the Soviets assuming the plane doesn't get shot down. They had the material and facilties to build 15 more by the end of 1945. But they are still delivered by regular bombers which can be shot down by the still viable soviet airforce. So there is going to be a conventional war, with nukes at the end *if* the allies win air superioty AND do so before the war ends.
Best scenario for WW2 would've been an alliance of Poland, Germany, Britain, France and perhaps others against the Soviet Union. This could've been possible if a more moderate leader came to power in Germany in the 1930s instead of A.H. or if A.H. was removed from power before 1939. Germany could still get most of the territory it had by the end of 1938 without having really bad relations with Britain and France. Germany could have given guarantees to defend Eastern European countries against Soviet aggression. Before the German occupation of Czechia in March 1939 an alliance between Germany, Britain and France against the Soviets was a real possibility. In case of a Soviet attack in this scenario the Soviets wouldn't have any allies or the Lend - Lease and would've been defeated by the European anti-Soviet coalition.
Ironically the only thing not balkanized was the balkans
Omg😂
Wait, why would the balkans get indiaized?
Cursed western victory. I'm sure everything will go well, especially if you make a timeline from this!
why do i hear siren
@@HeadsetHatGuy Soviet invasion of Europe speedrun any%
Soviets will 100% cause a war over this if this is before the nukes are dropped, possibly even after the nukes were dropped as the Soviets know the limited number of nukes are mostly used on japan.
Or the soviet refuse to leave their occupated areas and the allies start operation unthinkable.
Eitherway I see ww2 continuing between Soviets and allies in 1945/46, like little to no gap.
@@matthiuskoenig3378And what's worse, the USA has to wait to procure more nukes as the 3 it had were used.
Is that a red alert I hear in the distance?
I have a feeling this Cold War might not be so cold
Yeah but the Soviets immediately lose
Hot war
I wish you included more of the voting results like with the other videos. That is so fun for me to see just how close or not close the results were!
Also helps to see if some of the votes were taken under the assumption that other votes would succeed. Especially for the ruling government, since thats one of the biggest factors in determining how happy every major power is (Just as an example, if the baltics, poland, and the southern german confederation including the czechs went communist, the Soviets would be much more favorable to the deal). You can kinda tell it probably happened a decent bit, removing Franco because hes a totalitarian but then reinstating totalitarians in Poland is an interesting play
Idk if those specific votes were actually close, but its interesting to see how far we were from a deal that actually could have worked.
Just gonna leave it here but i would be very much interested in seeing a "What if Everything went perfect for Bavaria" beginning in 555
Germany has a cooler capital
@@denizmergen418 lmao
@@denizmergen418 Exactly 😭
Virgin "What If Everything Went Perfect For Germany"
Chad "What If Everything Went Perfect For Bavaria"
*_Thad "What If Everything Went Perfect For Saxony"_*
@@concept5631 What if everything went perfect for Ulm
The funny part with Schleswig-Holstein is that denmark didnt want it back.
Unless there was some kind of population exchange, otherwise they decided that the German majority there would always cause problems.
It seemed like many smaller nations were hesitant, because taking land would inevitably lead to more disputes and conflict in the future.
Honestly, if the Soviets had a few more puppets, it seems actually like a good deal.
And maybe a little different Asia.
"We achieved violence in our time"
-The viewers probably
bismark is rolling in his grave over that peace deal
No change from our timeline then.
His tone in some places reminds me of the Fallout New Vegas Yes Man when you destroy the securitron army at the fort instead of taking control of them like a sane person.
"Wow, you really restored Poland as an anti-communist dictatorship!... Great! No problem!"
I wonder what would happen after that. I want to see the alternate timeline, especially the continuation of the series about the viewer map of Africa.
Absolute Chad commenting like this before the video is even released.
@@servantmapper8893he's getting in here first for those fake internet points
💀@@baronnolanvonstraya5743
Soviets would be salty, Northern Italy would probably become an example of a "successful" socialist state & probably close trade partners with Yugoslavia, atleast compared to Southern Italy, German politics would probably be dominated by the reunification question for decades, RoC may beat PRoC, but either one would probably invade unstable mongolia and manchuria to get their land back, Cold War would probably be further factionalised as socialist states following the Italian model diverge from Stalinist Russia, India might unify under some of the stronger states or there might be a lot of war. Same with SEA. Japan probably does a bit better than our timeline.
This would probably have been the least awful peace deal yet if not for our collective obsession with Poland. Letting Stalin puppet Poland would have probably made him more or less OK with this outcome, as while he has lost Baltic Sea access compared to OTL, he has gained massive dominance over the Black Sea and at least somewhat non-hostile regimes in large parts of the Mediterranean. He also got Sakhalin, which is all he could really want in the East, and the expansion of states which could easily fall into the Soviet sphere into Chinese territory.
Puppeted Poland basically guarantees the Baltic states fall back in to the Soviet orbit, so Stalin would certainly be happy enough with that. The borders the viewers drew, on the other hand, ensures that Soviet troops never withdraw from the frontlines. Puppet states by another name, I suppose.
BUT POLAND NEEDS TO BE STRONK!!!
And the underdeveloped eastern regions populated by Ukrainians /Belarusians are not necessary for Poland to be "stronk". All those do is paint a bright red Soviet target on Poland's back.
@@gengarzilla1685 Listen bigger equates stonker no matter that the cultural tears cause more problem than their worth
@@KiraiKatsuji This is just going to get them invaded by the Soviets all over again. You can't make Poland stronk with changes at this point in the timeline, it's too late for that. Try the WW1 poll if you want a stronk Poland.
When I read the option for dividing up India, I had assumed that it would be along the lines of the Princely States. I didn't expect a total ethnic balkanization.
Soviets: I took on 80% of the wermacht and lost a quarter of my population
Allies: Yes and we'll never forget your sacrifice!
Soviets: So do i get some land as compensation
Allies: LOL no
Germans: Could you please nuke us, would be better than to go back to feudal HRE.
if you do The Cold War, you should have it be titled "How my Followers caused the World to End"
russia and china, the countries that suffered the most under WW2 and were crucial in securing an allied victory, are surely gonna be incredibly happy with LOSING land in the peace conference lmao
fr in every single vote people are just screwing up Russia because of current events and it's really predictable and dumb.
That Manchurian Qing state is a humongous slap in the face too. Way more so than American Taiwan. It basically legitimizes Imperial Japan's illegal seizure of Manchuria and vindicates its puppet emperor Puyi, the deposed last Emperor of China, for collaborating with the Japanese.
Honestly, this one might be an even worse decision than letting Poland keep both the east lands and interwar dictatorship. Embracing an artificial Japanese collaborationist "nation" in the postwar world will *absolutely* go over well at the peace negotiations.
We did it chat, we saved what's left of the world order!
I hope there'll be a world left.
End the world
Honestly I don't think we did too badly with this one, with the exception of the Soviets being rather unhappy, which may lead to more conflict in the future
And that they balkanized India, meaning China will likely be the sole future Superpower of Asia sooner or later and will be able to divide and conquer India Diplomatically, and the same with Indonesia.
But yeah, aside from that and being stupid about the Soviets, not too bad. Would of been more interesting if Poland and Czechoslovakia were Soviet Puppets, as well as the Baltic annexed by the Soviets, but oh well.
No this is absolutly terrible. Italy and germany are carved up. Soviet discontend starts ww3 and possibly a nuclear war. India is balkanized making sure that china is the sole superpower in asia , indochina is probably breaking up with a civil war. mongolian chinese and manchu conflict are bound to happen.
It's 100% going to lead to conflict, I predict 1945/46
This is a horrible peace that will lead to instability in Asia, leave China as the dominant asian power, and will lead to irreparable damage from the 3rd world war.
also remember the us has nukes the ussr don't atlest not yet so stalins hands are tied
Unfortunately i missed the voting for this, which is sad because it's quite interesting. An idea i'd have going forward is to have fictional viewer voted peace deals from an alternate victory perspective. Like said the viewers voting on a WW1 Central Power victory peace deal, or a WW2 Axis Victory peace deal.
While technically not a peace deal, it would also be cool to vote on the possible collapse of the Warsaw Pact/NATO at the end of the cold war.
Really enjoying these vids. Keep it up dude!
Voting on peace deals from an alternate perspective seems like a really great idea
Look at the description, there’s one you can join rn
@@lronhayden Will do! Thanks!
Missed opportunity to let the Netherlands keep indonesia and then annex Malaya and the Phillippines as well (yes this was seriously an outcome possible by the poll).
i tried to get us a hilariously funny border in northern japan (give japan the small islands and the russian island but give russia hokkiado)
@@Bacony_Cakessame
@@gameingboy9541 i also tried for hilariously pathetic prussia (there are only two prussian states, one is memel, and the other one is seperated from memel by huge poland)
@@Bacony_Cakes I Gave Britain Eritrea and Somalia, but let italy keep ethiopia
Me: "Surely after the last two scenarios, people have learned their lesson and became sensible."
Me: Sees the thumbnail....
As a german, having Germany, dissolved once again pains me, after hundreds of years we are finally united and 70 years later everything is gone again. Tho realistically after 70 years of unification the people would probably want to reform Germany.
As an Austrian, getting to puppet german states is the best timeline
as a bavarian independence is the best timeline
@@michaeljancuch4204 nah, Hitler brought you the best timeline in 1938 already 😎
@@emsproviero 🤓
Yeah, but here's the age old question, under the Austrian habsburgs or the prussians (again).
Holy moly Italian and German nationalism is gonna have a fieldday after this peacedeal.
RIP the kids that would then have to name all nations, flags, regimes and capitals of those new nations. Very nice video, really enjoyed voting in the votes ☺
Assuming these nations last up to 2023 (and that's a huge ask), we'd have had 78 years to get used to this.
Where’s the continuation? It’s not out yet
Maybe they meant the 21st
@@MrToymaster1 that makes sense
@@lronhayden he said this saturday in the video maybe he postponed it
Woah your editing skills have improved a lot dude, congrats
Can you have us vote for the peace treaty of WW3, which will inevitably happen immediately in this scenario?
Thanks
I love these videos were you ask you’re viewers to choose the borders of Europe and we see how they play out.
Possible History: Ok, viewers, let's vote on redrawing the borders of the Axis powers after WWII in order to ensure peace.
Viewers: (vote to unilaterally invade Spain)
rare viewer W
"We did it, Patrick! We saved Spain!"
"Peace in our time"
- You, probably
if this really happened, history lesson would get A LOT harder, but i think more people would study.
Considering all the post viewer map predictions where very good so far and that ww1 is one of my favourite historical periods, i definitelly did the survey. Though do be warned, I tried to make the scenario as dificult and incomprehensible as posible (And even so im sure it will make for great content, love your vids by the way)
I also went for that, just complete border gore and shattered states
same, independence for all😈
I went for the crazy stuff
omg same. chaos mode engaged >:)
I feel like I should hate the viewers. But at the same time this was funny, so I forgive everyone, including myself.
i just tried to make yugoslavia as absolutely gigantic as possible.
HAIL MARSHAL TITO GREATEST LEADER IN THE WORLD
Did he mean NEXT Saturday?
he said this saturday in the video maybe he postponed it
As an Indonesian myself I personally hated how the viewers chose the fate of my beloved home country
Indonesian balkanization is one thing, but that greater malaysia tho 😭
On behalf of everyone who voted to balkanize Indonesia. My bad bro
At least you got independence
I honestly do not forsee the Borneo states surviving for very long, Malaysia will most likely annex them.
hiduplah melayu raya😊
the war to end all wars they said. now we start to understand why the world wars are a franchise.
The best way to settle the borders after WW2 would be to: 1) Give all of Africa, the Balkans, and all the territories of the late Ottoman empire to Italy;
2) Give all of central, northern and eastern Europe, along with the entirety of Russia, to Germany;
3) Give all of Asia (except Russia) to Japan;
4) Unify Ireland;
5) Give the entire anerican continent, both north and south to Spain;
6) Transform Britain, Australia and New Zealand into parking lots.
This in my opinion would have ensured peace, prosperity an justice to the world.
most realistic HOI4 peace deal
This the first one i’ve taken part in
_Let’s see how much chaos we have unleashed…_
its gonna be fun to see the soviets go on a rampage in eastern europe during the cold war video
I love these types of videos from you. Keep at 'em!
For some reason I love the delivery of the lines at 5:23 .
Guys would it be funny if we balkanized the map as much as possible
Greece is such a satisfying shape
very good as always, may i suggest for the next one (or at least the one after next, as i see the poll is already out) you use a voting system other than plurality
Yugoslav wars are gonna be fun in this timeline.
Lesson Learned,Possible History Viewers Hate Russia Even If The Russians Had Good Intentions
I really wanted to give all of the region of Prussia to Poland but that wasn't an option.
I love the fact that every option I choose became reality
I came pretty close, too. Only problem would be occupation zones, but maybe Stalin gets to play with Prussia.
You have absolutely no taste
@@pouletvert8707 Why is that?
@@pouletvert8707🤓🤓🤓
@@lronhaydencringe
Bro where next video
I love how this completely guarantees a ww3
West is definetly wining
@@Onelifegaming096 Wouldn't be so sure
@@sprintfoxy1240i would
@@hiplsnols4394 i wouldn't
@@Onelifegaming096Boom-boom, and no winners
Surely the conflict between Poles and Soviets would be inevitable with such borders, but I doubt it will end in WW3. Stalin would pressure for extra consetion but if he will see collective disapproval from the West I think Moscow will take step back to not provoke another war - IRL that was the case with Iran and Turkey.
Main question is, will the Cold War even happen? The Red meanece is less present, Europe isn't divided in half and Soviet Union have less geopolitical advantages to successfuly pressure their ideology on others
...yet. The fate of China is still up in the air and I bet Stalin will want a pro-Soviet government to win it just to spite the west.
Amazing can't wait for more!
i am so glad to have been one of the people at this peace conference
As a Pole, I see this as a neutral ending.
That division of Istria made no sense. You gave the majority italian areas to Yugoslavia and the majority slovene areas to italy. I think you, Possible history, got it wrong in the drawing of the map, because you say "southern part will remain in italy" but instead do the opposite to the map.
Where do I find these polls??? I've not seen anything in my feed!
Aaand this is why the internet doesn't get to make foreign policy decisions for governments
Truly one of the peace conferences of all time...
Divides the Raj along ethnolinguistic lines.
Creates Burma with modern borders.
XD
Yes, because the Burmese government will definetly respect and tolerate all ethnicties, religions, and languages within their borders, and not commit genocide!! 🥰
Balkan Raj on one end and United Indochina on the other is just pure insanity.
Will you repeat this with history youtubers? I loved your Congress of Vienna, might as well do a Potsdam too.
still better than post ww2 hoi4 peace deals
less communism and a decent amount if balance in the world
I'm surprised the final map is literally 80% of what i voted
The communists can’t win the civil war if they don’t have Manchuria so the fate of Taiwan is moot. Also does Finland get their northern territories back?
One video concept I think you could explore is an "alternate end" peace deal. Like maybe one where Napolean wins instead of loses, Central Powers win ww1 etc. Could be funny.
I find it particularly fascinating the monarchies return and with them the Hohenzollern dynasty. For a few years until they boot him out, King Micheal of Romania is also still of that Dynasty, maybe in this timeline he can exile in Germany instead of Switzerland, maybe the monarchy in Romania even stays or comes back? It was actually incredibly popular at the time and after the fall of communism, so much so that the post Romanian Revolution leaders barred Micheal from coming back out of fear everyone would want him back.
We the people of the youtube comment section truly are the best diplomats and peacekeepers of all time
If we imagine that all the subscriber selections make sense, and are not random, but as a completely full-fledged alternative timeline, then this is how I see it:
Since the Kuomintang succeeded in defending the independence of Manchukuo, the Communist Party of China had to lose its extensive industrial base and developed transportation hub in northeastern China. I understand that the loss of these territories was a serious blow to the communist positions. Without access to industry and transportation, it will be much more difficult for them to wage guerrilla warfare against the Kuomintang.
In addition, the direct presence of Americans on Taiwan and the still powerful Japan will not allow the communists to take a breather.
In these conditions, Joseph Stalin, leader of the USSR, had to admit that a victory for the CPC in the civil war against the Kuomintang was unlikely. Moreover, in the context of the Cold War, the USSR did not have the ability to provide substantial military support to the CPC, fearing a deterioration in relations with the United States and its allies.
In these circumstances, Stalin makes a number of decisions aimed at ensuring the interests of the USSR in East Asia:
He allows the expansion of the territory of Mongolia at the expense of lands in Inner Mongolia in China. This provides greater geopolitical control over the region.
He moves the priorities of policy regarding Korea, transferring it to the sphere of influence of the United States, focusing on China, (which the US had actually counted on in our past timeline)
But more interestingly, if the CPC wins the civil war, and since at that time Taiwan would belong to the Americans, then, the Kuomintang will never be able to take China's seat in the UN. In my view, this means that the PRC will become the sole legitimate representative of China in the UN. The absence of nationalist Taiwan may also make the task of developing microchip production irrelevant. Then the US will likely remain the undisputed leaders in this industry, without facing future competition from Taiwan, slowing the development of high-tech sectors in the West due to the lack of competition.
In addition, China will have the opportunity to influence the fragmented India, as well as expand its positions in Africa. However, the large size of Mongolia could also threaten the capital of China. As it seems to me, China will have 3 main options to address this problem.
Firstly, China and the USSR could try to redivide Mongolia, but this would likely undermine Stalin's authority and provoke discontent among the Mongolian population. Secondly, the USSR could leave everything as it is, risking losing ties with China much earlier.
As it seems to me, the most likely option would be active development of Chinese influence in Mongolia, since at that time China did not yet pose a direct threat to the USSR. Such a policy could make China a more influential force in the region and strengthen its positions. Thus, strong ties with Mongolia could become one of China's advantages in the alternative historical timeline under consideration.
There could be interesting consequences for Europe in this alternative history. In my opinion, it is obvious that the Soviet Union would simply seize the Baltic states, facing no serious resistance.
Czechoslovakia, however, is unlikely to be seized, but it may not make much difference in the struggle between communism and capitalism.
Let's assume that in this timeline Truman and Stalin show greater willingness to compromise. In my view, the creation of buffer states in the form of constitutional monarchies could make sense not only for the United States but also for the USSR.
For a monarch could play the role of a "transitional figure", facilitating the transformation of the political system. The focus here would not be on people's uprisings against bourgeois leaders, but on expanding communist influence over monarchs.
In my understanding, this does not seem completely unrealistic, considering that there were cases in our history when monarchical states peacefully transformed into communist, such as Egypt after the overthrow of the monarchy.
Thus, the creation of communist-oriented monarchies in a number of European countries could have been Stalin's cunning plan masked as a compromise solution for dividing spheres of influence between East and West.
Tbh without Manchuria the CCP is dead. OTL the Communists were forced out of China proper and ended up fighting in Liaodong where they managed to beat the KMT. Assuming a restoration of Qing China (as if that was a possibility) the CCP don't have access to Soviet surplus and secure bases in Manchuria and unless the USSR trucks goods along the new Mongol-Shaanxi border the CCP is probably dead. The more serious concern is that to Chiang, his worse fears about the US, that they planned on colonising China have been realised. Manchuria has not been returned and neither has Mongolia, and despite being a victorious allied power Taiwan has been occupied by the US. In such a case, I see him outright ignoring such a treaty and continuing the advance northwards, to retake Manchuria and crush the CCP. I can see the USSR, discontented with the results themselves siding with Chiang (they had a working relationship pre-war) and giving him free reign to attack and takeover Manchuria. That said, if the USSR is allowed to ignore the treaty entirely they could just give the Qing territories to the CCP and in such a case Chiang has even less legitimacy than real life. Between the economic crash and loss of Taiwan, he most likely gets overthrown. This probably makes a PRC victory inevitable as well and unlike in OTL, I doubt any KMT member will agree to work with the US meaning either China has no seat at the UN or the PRC automatically gets entry into the UN. Either way though, China will be hostile to the US and aligned with the USSR at first.
In our history, the United States invested a lot of money in West Germany, despite the fact that the initial GDP per capita there was already around 30-40% higher than in East Germany. Over time, West Germany became increasingly presentable in comparison to the GDR, and to a large extent due to this the USSR collapsed. Soviet tourists saw the imperfections of the socialist system when comparing it to life in capitalist countries, with West Germany being the most visited. Without this, the desire of citizens to dismantle the USSR would have decreased by 30-40%. Moreover, without the Berlin Wall and its fall, there would have been no symbol of the cultural defeat of communism. On the contrary, it is not so improbable that the USSR would have slowly reformed itself. Returning to the US, they still had to choose a country to invest their finances in the absence of Germany. There are three possible scenarios: France, some German principalities and the most likely option - Southern Italy. The US understands that in the struggle between capitalism and communism, the delights of capitalist life must be demonstrated at the border of communist Italy. Although it also borders France, these are neighboring but fundamentally different countries that developed separately over several centuries. Therefore, there would have been no significant dissatisfaction if life in France was better. However, if the two Italies, which until recently had been one whole, became significantly different from each other, this would have caused dissatisfaction. It should be noted that in Northern Italy, GDP per capita is 30-35% higher than in Southern Italy, which gives an advantage to communists. Southern Italy would have improved thanks to money from the US, but not as fast as Germany. The USSR could well have had time for reforms.
@@matthewzibinwong7731 It's nice to know, I don't really know much about this topic. I couldn't have imagined that what I considered unfavourable conditions for the formation of the PRC could actually play in their favour. And what I didn't know were Chiang Kai-shek's goals. You could have told me what would have happened to Mongolia, although considering Chiang Kai-shek's aspirations, he would have simply insisted on returning Inner Mongolia to China, even if he was able to choose influencing all of Mongolia instead, he wouldn't have wanted to do that. In general, I'm more interested in learning what will happen in the Asian theater of events than the European one. I hope Possible History doesn't let us down again and comes up with something worthwhile.
this was great to vote for. i just voted for the most chaotic souloutions where comusism is everything
The big problem with India was the lack of polling options. There are many intermediate steps between a two state solution and full Balkanization. Anyone who wanted an independent Punjab or Sikkim or Kashmir or Bengal or Tamil Nadu or Dravidia would have no choice but to vote for full Balkanization.
Im glad Czechoslovakia isnt communist this timeline
True... even though I tried to vote for larger Czechoslovakia with Silesia included (even though I sacrificied Slovakia to the communists...)
@@Honza58 ...
@@Honza58 you seriously replaced slovakia with silesia
@@Honza58 Trying to replace Czechoslovakia with Czechosilesia is cursed and based af
I would name it... Lands of the Bohemian Crown.
I mean... sure it's cursed... but is it really worse than what happened in the video? :D
Here before the premiere, judging by the thumbnail, my predictions about a greater Prussian kaiserreich were absolutely right
Edit: My predictions were absolutely right
I'm here before the premiere too!
@@ericanthonyty3729 no
Mr Socialistrepublicofvietnam, congratulations on your pan-indochina state.
If I was in charge of the Anglo Americans I wouldn't have given a single ounce of Lend Lease to the Soviets or declared war on Finland. And I would've given as much support as possible to the Poles, Norwegians, and Greeks.
I'm sorry, but you have created a German victory.
Hey i have a question. What happened to the Alternate History Guild youtube channel?
Love your vids btw ❤
Crazy how the viewers peace deal is better for Germany than the real one
What did you expect
Por lo más sagrado, nunca dejes que tus seguidores vuelvan a elegir las fronteras del mundo
Love this new video formate!
Can you make future polls more colourblind freindly? It was really confusing to fill out.
Not even 10 seconds in, and I already know we've started WW3, I'll report back when I finish watching.
Dear god I was right
My address to the viewers, on the subject of redrawing Europe after the great war, is simple: GERMANIA DELENDA EST
3:05 "Until now, we used to say that the Greeks fight like heroes. Now we shall say, the heroes fight like Greeks." (This was an awesome video, but we aren't cry babies.
Yay my vote was in also new subscriber