I need an alternative scenario where Italy 🇮🇹 carry all the major european war with the objective of restoring the Roman Empire, but it's somehow extremely competent and efficient.
@@henninglaksholm3297 Nope 🙅🏻 because modern Italy had some very inferior ideas 💡 of local maritime egemony in the Mediterranean at maximum and the Roman empire was joke propaganda for ignorant masses. I mean the late 1800 Italy that was formed only for few decades and it still had political movement that really wanted the whole Roman Empire back not as a propaganda symbol but as real territorial unification of Europe, North Africa and Middle East under one government.
Clearly the answer to an unstable Yugoslavia wasn't a strongman (Tito), it was to make it even larger. That's sure to make it more stable! Particularly since the USSR would be so content with this map, they certainly wouldn't do anything to destabilise it...
The viewers' solution to the Balkan powder keg is apparently trying to stuff the keg so full of powder that there isn't enough oxygen to support a flame that would set it off.
I think people voted for beeg Yugoslavia solely on the assumption that Tito would still be leading it. Given what happened OTL, I have full confidence that he could have held all of it together until his death, so no real harm done compared to OTL as I don't think the addition of Bulgaria would make the Yugoslav collapse much worse because they would probably just leave. And in the meantime, the people of Bulgaria get to enjoy the benefits of Tito's superior version of communism.
@@plasmakitten4261also with the addition of the Bulgars the Serbs will no longer be so mono Dominant .... which may have consequences down the line .... maybe even preventing the dissolution for longer
I love the fact that overtime Possible History has just embraced the fact the viewers are going to fuck everything up and is having to play yes man for them anyway with thinly veiled criticism of their decisions
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 are you serious? The soviet union was a bastion of communism, democracy and personal freedom, also, that would have been impossible because of it's strengh
@@MayoOverlord Yes, Stalin was kinda like Roosevelt's first term. But the people did have a right of vote for local representatives, even if it was 1 party, they needed 50% at least of the people to vote for them, even the hospitalised and imprisoned. The us has the highest prison population in the world, even higher than the gulags, even in percentages
@@gerwaltspodnovigradu5508 yep, basically it shows that people today realize that USSR werent the good guys at all, and want to see them lose too. Is this realistic? absolutely not. But it would have been the morally right outcome. In an ideal world ofc we wouldn't have this mess of a peace deal lol but something different, but seeing the USSR lose too is just satisfying, no matter how nonsensical the idea is in reality
@@maciejbala477 respectfully, you have a sunshine and rainbows perspective of life. there are no good guys, and no bad guys. there are winners and losers. the americans, russians, and british were winners, the germans, hungarians, and japanese were losers. it doesn't matter what your morals are, that soviet soldier thought he was fighting for the good guys, so did the german soldier. it doesn't make either right, it's all just a perspective
Best scenario for WW2 would've been an alliance of Poland, Germany, Britain, France and perhaps others against the Soviet Union. This could've been possible if a more moderate leader came to power in Germany in the 1930s instead of A.H. or if A.H. was removed from power before 1939. Germany could still get most of the territory it had by the end of 1938 without having really bad relations with Britain and France. Germany could have given guarantees to defend Eastern European countries against Soviet aggression. An alliance between Germany, Britain and France was possible before the German occupation of Czechia in March 1939. In case of a Soviet attack in this scenario the Soviets wouldn't have any allies or the Lend - Lease and would've been defeated by the European anti-Soviet coalition.
@@hendriktonisson2915 Do i really need too ? Isn't it obvious that letting nazi Germany have great influence like that (they will have control over baltics,Ukraine,Belarus,Moscow and even Poland), creating a massive bloody war and expanding nazi ideology through Europe will doom the world ?
I totally see them just accepting this after having their country absolutely devastated and losing 27 million people. Also I just love that Reddit wants to punish Russia for invading Ukraine so badly that they don’t give Ukraine its territories back from Poland.
@@alexeyamosov664 well, sure, but Ukraine also isn't independent. You'd have to actually make the USSR lose a war to make satisfactory borders in that regard. I think that's why it didn't get anything in this peace deal. If people could balkanize the USSR further, I'm sure they would have, and I think then Ukraine probably gets most, if not all of what it wants. But that would have been even more fantasy land rofl And idk if it's all about the current events. Actually would've been more interesting to have these videos before the invasion to see how many people to genuinely just hate the USSR. I, for one, definitely would've voted against the USSR in every step but not because of the current events in Ukraine in the slightest
@@Gordonjamesheneryproductionsand they were still one of the big three who were victors in the war. I don’t like Stalin or the Soviets but good fucking luck with taking territory from them in a peace treaty where they’re among the victors.
@@Gordonjamesheneryproductions I thought that Germany and the Soviets had a non-aggression pact where they carved up Poland, until Germany invaded the Soviets?
@@voided_sunAll of Europe had non-aggression pacts with Germany. With the division of Poland, everything is generally clear: without it, Germany would have been even stronger, even more people would have been killed in concentration camps and USSR would have had a more difficult time in the war. It was simply a necessary step.
Seeing the French-Piedmontese house of Savoy ruling over Southern Italy and Sardinia is already much of a border gore to me (I know that in our timeline they were the ones who voted for the monarchy to stay, but still)
Also helps to see if some of the votes were taken under the assumption that other votes would succeed. Especially for the ruling government, since thats one of the biggest factors in determining how happy every major power is (Just as an example, if the baltics, poland, and the southern german confederation including the czechs went communist, the Soviets would be much more favorable to the deal). You can kinda tell it probably happened a decent bit, removing Franco because hes a totalitarian but then reinstating totalitarians in Poland is an interesting play Idk if those specific votes were actually close, but its interesting to see how far we were from a deal that actually could have worked.
Soviets will 100% cause a war over this if this is before the nukes are dropped, possibly even after the nukes were dropped as the Soviets know the limited number of nukes are mostly used on japan. Or the soviet refuse to leave their occupated areas and the allies start operation unthinkable. Eitherway I see ww2 continuing between Soviets and allies in 1945/46, like little to no gap.
His tone in some places reminds me of the Fallout New Vegas Yes Man when you destroy the securitron army at the fort instead of taking control of them like a sane person. "Wow, you really restored Poland as an anti-communist dictatorship!... Great! No problem!"
Virgin "What If Everything Went Perfect For Germany" Chad "What If Everything Went Perfect For Bavaria" *_Thad "What If Everything Went Perfect For Saxony"_*
Soviets would be salty, Northern Italy would probably become an example of a "successful" socialist state & probably close trade partners with Yugoslavia, atleast compared to Southern Italy, German politics would probably be dominated by the reunification question for decades, RoC may beat PRoC, but either one would probably invade unstable mongolia and manchuria to get their land back, Cold War would probably be further factionalised as socialist states following the Italian model diverge from Stalinist Russia, India might unify under some of the stronger states or there might be a lot of war. Same with SEA. Japan probably does a bit better than our timeline.
When I read the option for dividing up India, I had assumed that it would be along the lines of the Princely States. I didn't expect a total ethnic balkanization.
I mean neither did the allies, they had 3 nukes in the war, 2 were used in Japan. That leaves 1 for the Soviets assuming the plane doesn't get shot down. They had the material and facilties to build 15 more by the end of 1945. But they are still delivered by regular bombers which can be shot down by the still viable soviet airforce. So there is going to be a conventional war, with nukes at the end *if* the allies win air superioty AND do so before the war ends.
Best scenario for WW2 would've been an alliance of Poland, Germany, Britain, France and perhaps others against the Soviet Union. This could've been possible if a more moderate leader came to power in Germany in the 1930s instead of A.H. or if A.H. was removed from power before 1939. Germany could still get most of the territory it had by the end of 1938 without having really bad relations with Britain and France. Germany could have given guarantees to defend Eastern European countries against Soviet aggression. Before the German occupation of Czechia in March 1939 an alliance between Germany, Britain and France against the Soviets was a real possibility. In case of a Soviet attack in this scenario the Soviets wouldn't have any allies or the Lend - Lease and would've been defeated by the European anti-Soviet coalition.
Unfortunately i missed the voting for this, which is sad because it's quite interesting. An idea i'd have going forward is to have fictional viewer voted peace deals from an alternate victory perspective. Like said the viewers voting on a WW1 Central Power victory peace deal, or a WW2 Axis Victory peace deal. While technically not a peace deal, it would also be cool to vote on the possible collapse of the Warsaw Pact/NATO at the end of the cold war. Really enjoying these vids. Keep it up dude!
I mean I think PH viewers are actually quite rational about the consequences of their actions except in certain specific cases. They weren't trying to screw over the Soviets, they just really like Poland.
@plasmakitten4261 yeah but I didn't expect the soviets to get anything, I thought it was going to be monarchy and democracy up the wazoo and no soviet expansion in the east, even south sakhalin. Every single one of these polls is basically "Russia bad, Germany good" except this one.
@@mappingshaman5280 Not really, they're all "Poland good, anything that could possibly obstacle Poland bad", and Russia has been an unfortunate casualty of the pro-Poland crusade in both this and the Congress of Vienna videos.
i think there probably wasn't an option to balkanize the USSR, because.. well, they won the war. Otherwise you're damn right they would have done it lmao
Considering that the majority of viewers also wanted to restore the idiotic Polish interwar dictatorship, I'm convinced that it's just as much a pro-Polish thing as an anti-Soviet thing. I don't particularly like the USSR but even I gave them reasonable compensation for their war efforts, even if it was less than in our timeline.
This would probably have been the least awful peace deal yet if not for our collective obsession with Poland. Letting Stalin puppet Poland would have probably made him more or less OK with this outcome, as while he has lost Baltic Sea access compared to OTL, he has gained massive dominance over the Black Sea and at least somewhat non-hostile regimes in large parts of the Mediterranean. He also got Sakhalin, which is all he could really want in the East, and the expansion of states which could easily fall into the Soviet sphere into Chinese territory.
Puppeted Poland basically guarantees the Baltic states fall back in to the Soviet orbit, so Stalin would certainly be happy enough with that. The borders the viewers drew, on the other hand, ensures that Soviet troops never withdraw from the frontlines. Puppet states by another name, I suppose.
And the underdeveloped eastern regions populated by Ukrainians /Belarusians are not necessary for Poland to be "stronk". All those do is paint a bright red Soviet target on Poland's back.
@@KiraiKatsuji This is just going to get them invaded by the Soviets all over again. You can't make Poland stronk with changes at this point in the timeline, it's too late for that. Try the WW1 poll if you want a stronk Poland.
Missed opportunity to let the Netherlands keep indonesia and then annex Malaya and the Phillippines as well (yes this was seriously an outcome possible by the poll).
@@gameingboy9541 i also tried for hilariously pathetic prussia (there are only two prussian states, one is memel, and the other one is seperated from memel by huge poland)
My overall European division in the votes involved a smaller East Germany with German division running entirely along the Oder, Poland as in our timeline, a dissolution of the Czechoslovak state with Slovakia in the eastern bloc and Hungary and Romania as in our timeline, with Bulgaria going under Tito's Yugoslavia instead. Austria was also fully under the west. My intent was to push the Iron Curtain back a bit while still maintaining that unbroken ring of Soviet buffer states stretching from Baltic to Black.
3:05 "Until now, we used to say that the Greeks fight like heroes. Now we shall say, the heroes fight like Greeks." (This was an awesome video, but we aren't cry babies.
RIP the kids that would then have to name all nations, flags, regimes and capitals of those new nations. Very nice video, really enjoyed voting in the votes ☺
Honestly I don't think we did too badly with this one, with the exception of the Soviets being rather unhappy, which may lead to more conflict in the future
And that they balkanized India, meaning China will likely be the sole future Superpower of Asia sooner or later and will be able to divide and conquer India Diplomatically, and the same with Indonesia. But yeah, aside from that and being stupid about the Soviets, not too bad. Would of been more interesting if Poland and Czechoslovakia were Soviet Puppets, as well as the Baltic annexed by the Soviets, but oh well.
No this is absolutly terrible. Italy and germany are carved up. Soviet discontend starts ww3 and possibly a nuclear war. India is balkanized making sure that china is the sole superpower in asia , indochina is probably breaking up with a civil war. mongolian chinese and manchu conflict are bound to happen.
This is a horrible peace that will lead to instability in Asia, leave China as the dominant asian power, and will lead to irreparable damage from the 3rd world war.
Soviets: I took on 80% of the wermacht and lost a quarter of my population Allies: Yes and we'll never forget your sacrifice! Soviets: So do i get some land as compensation Allies: LOL no
As a german, having Germany, dissolved once again pains me, after hundreds of years we are finally united and 70 years later everything is gone again. Tho realistically after 70 years of unification the people would probably want to reform Germany.
Considering all the post viewer map predictions where very good so far and that ww1 is one of my favourite historical periods, i definitelly did the survey. Though do be warned, I tried to make the scenario as dificult and incomprehensible as posible (And even so im sure it will make for great content, love your vids by the way)
russia and china, the countries that suffered the most under WW2 and were crucial in securing an allied victory, are surely gonna be incredibly happy with LOSING land in the peace conference lmao
That Manchurian Qing state is a humongous slap in the face too. Way more so than American Taiwan. It basically legitimizes Imperial Japan's illegal seizure of Manchuria and vindicates its puppet emperor Puyi, the deposed last Emperor of China, for collaborating with the Japanese. Honestly, this one might be an even worse decision than letting Poland keep both the east lands and interwar dictatorship. Embracing an artificial Japanese collaborationist "nation" in the postwar world will *absolutely* go over well at the peace negotiations.
Possible History: Ok, viewers, let's vote on redrawing the borders of the Axis powers after WWII in order to ensure peace. Viewers: (vote to unilaterally invade Spain)
That division of Istria made no sense. You gave the majority italian areas to Yugoslavia and the majority slovene areas to italy. I think you, Possible history, got it wrong in the drawing of the map, because you say "southern part will remain in italy" but instead do the opposite to the map.
Yes, because the Burmese government will definetly respect and tolerate all ethnicties, religions, and languages within their borders, and not commit genocide!! 🥰
Here before the premiere, judging by the thumbnail, my predictions about a greater Prussian kaiserreich were absolutely right Edit: My predictions were absolutely right
Me personally, I feel like instead of the states next to Bavaria being divided and restored, they should all be under one, Habsburg-Controlled *Wurttemburg* state. But still good job :D
I did that once, I thought it would be funny to have many large nations all being landlocked by a single tiny city state wrapping around the continent in a line so thin it's just a wall.
Surely the conflict between Poles and Soviets would be inevitable with such borders, but I doubt it will end in WW3. Stalin would pressure for extra consetion but if he will see collective disapproval from the West I think Moscow will take step back to not provoke another war - IRL that was the case with Iran and Turkey. Main question is, will the Cold War even happen? The Red meanece is less present, Europe isn't divided in half and Soviet Union have less geopolitical advantages to successfuly pressure their ideology on others
very good as always, may i suggest for the next one (or at least the one after next, as i see the poll is already out) you use a voting system other than plurality
I kinda wish the WWI poll had options for the outcomes of the attempted German, Hungarian, Finish, and Italian revolutions. But I guess that’s not something being decided by the people negotiating the treaty.
One video concept I think you could explore is an "alternate end" peace deal. Like maybe one where Napolean wins instead of loses, Central Powers win ww1 etc. Could be funny.
The big problem with India was the lack of polling options. There are many intermediate steps between a two state solution and full Balkanization. Anyone who wanted an independent Punjab or Sikkim or Kashmir or Bengal or Tamil Nadu or Dravidia would have no choice but to vote for full Balkanization.
The changes I voted on that went through: Luxembourg Netherlands* Hungary Austria** Sahalin *The lesser expansion option was technically achieved by the greater one **I voted for a democracy, but this is fine too I guess
The only change I made that went through was Bulgarian annexation into specifically Tito's Yugoslavia. They didn't collapse into bloody civil war during the continuation video and even ended up being important in the Third World War so I'll take a personal W from it.
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"The biggest argument against democracy is letting people vote for a fictional peace deal."
- Winston Churchill, 2023
Stalin after the peace conference "I've said it before and I'll say it again comrades, democracy doesn't work"
"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried" - Churchill before watching this video
@@Godzilla00XLove homer simpson
@@Godzilla00X wasn't Stalin a defender of democracy and personal freedom? He did say once that he can hardly imagine a starving person being free
@@minestar2247 xd u gotta be kidding bro
I love how the division of Rome from Italy is predicated on the same concept of Prussia being dismantled from Germany because of 'Prussian militarism'
While Prussia comes back
I need an alternative scenario where Italy 🇮🇹 carry all the major european war with the objective of restoring the Roman Empire, but it's somehow extremely competent and efficient.
@@emib6599 like a what if everything went right for modern italy?
@@henninglaksholm3297
Nope 🙅🏻 because modern Italy had some very inferior ideas 💡 of local maritime egemony in the Mediterranean at maximum and the Roman empire was joke propaganda for ignorant masses.
I mean the late 1800 Italy that was formed only for few decades and it still had political movement that really wanted the whole Roman Empire back not as a propaganda symbol but as real territorial unification of Europe, North Africa and Middle East under one government.
@@emib6599LOSE OF ROMAN EMPİRE 1453m
This is gonna go so awful, and I'm all here for it.
We are the worst diplomats the world has ever seen
@@DarkIsTheNight-046 100%.
I tried to be fair and this is horrible. I think I did vote for Mongolia tho.
Anyway do the World War One vote.
What u guys vote for on Alsace??
Why hello there old sport
Jack?
Clearly the answer to an unstable Yugoslavia wasn't a strongman (Tito), it was to make it even larger. That's sure to make it more stable! Particularly since the USSR would be so content with this map, they certainly wouldn't do anything to destabilise it...
They should also add western Slavs to Yugoslavia. That wiuld surely work out well
The viewers' solution to the Balkan powder keg is apparently trying to stuff the keg so full of powder that there isn't enough oxygen to support a flame that would set it off.
I think people voted for beeg Yugoslavia solely on the assumption that Tito would still be leading it. Given what happened OTL, I have full confidence that he could have held all of it together until his death, so no real harm done compared to OTL as I don't think the addition of Bulgaria would make the Yugoslav collapse much worse because they would probably just leave. And in the meantime, the people of Bulgaria get to enjoy the benefits of Tito's superior version of communism.
Yeah, if anyone could make this Frankenstein abomination last for most of the Cold War then it'd probably be Tito.
@@plasmakitten4261also with the addition of the Bulgars the Serbs will no longer be so mono Dominant .... which may have consequences down the line .... maybe even preventing the dissolution for longer
I love the fact that overtime Possible History has just embraced the fact the viewers are going to fuck everything up and is having to play yes man for them anyway with thinly veiled criticism of their decisions
I voted for western victory in everything. Would there be an option I would order an Allied invasion of the USSR and its balkanization also.
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714least biased viewer's opinion
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 are you serious? The soviet union was a bastion of communism, democracy and personal freedom, also, that would have been impossible because of it's strengh
@@minestar2247 Ah yes famous democraticly elected leader Stalin and the democratic staples of the Gulag and NKVD.
@@MayoOverlord Yes, Stalin was kinda like Roosevelt's first term. But the people did have a right of vote for local representatives, even if it was 1 party, they needed 50% at least of the people to vote for them, even the hospitalised and imprisoned. The us has the highest prison population in the world, even higher than the gulags, even in percentages
> USSR wins war.
> USSR loses territory.
Your tactics confuse and frighten me, sir.
Just like in the congress
Its ok, it just shows how people dont know nor understand so much, but they think they do, and its all make pretend anyway, lets have fun :D
@@mursuleskuno, that shows that people hate USSR (justified)
@@gerwaltspodnovigradu5508 yep, basically it shows that people today realize that USSR werent the good guys at all, and want to see them lose too. Is this realistic? absolutely not. But it would have been the morally right outcome. In an ideal world ofc we wouldn't have this mess of a peace deal lol but something different, but seeing the USSR lose too is just satisfying, no matter how nonsensical the idea is in reality
@@maciejbala477 respectfully, you have a sunshine and rainbows perspective of life. there are no good guys, and no bad guys. there are winners and losers. the americans, russians, and british were winners, the germans, hungarians, and japanese were losers. it doesn't matter what your morals are, that soviet soldier thought he was fighting for the good guys, so did the german soldier. it doesn't make either right, it's all just a perspective
This was a much less cursed map than I was expecting. Honestly shocked Russia didn’t get carved up more than Germany.
Wins the war, loses territory in the victory treaty.
Best scenario for WW2 would've been an alliance of Poland, Germany, Britain, France and perhaps others against the Soviet Union. This could've been possible if a more moderate leader came to power in Germany in the 1930s instead of A.H. or if A.H. was removed from power before 1939. Germany could still get most of the territory it had by the end of 1938 without having really bad relations with Britain and France. Germany could have given guarantees to defend Eastern European countries against Soviet aggression. An alliance between Germany, Britain and France was possible before the German occupation of Czechia in March 1939. In case of a Soviet attack in this scenario the Soviets wouldn't have any allies or the Lend - Lease and would've been defeated by the European anti-Soviet coalition.
@@hendriktonisson2915what are you talking about, do you even know what sides fought in ww2? the germans were the baddies, not the soviets!
@@jfacum24 I'm talking about an alternate scenario. Read my comment again.
@@jfacum24 He said if there was a more moderate leader, NOT AH, or if he was removed before 1939. Actually read the comment.
POV: MacArthur wrote the peace deal
true
Congrats on making China the sole future Superpower of Asia by Balkanizing India, Congrats Guys
Thanks, India is not a nation state, unlike China.
Real great guys, this won't be awdul in 80 years from now.
India is not a nation state.
India is not a nation.
India has many nations inside.
A very wise man once said: "Letting the internet decide on ANYTHING, is like giving a machine gun to a chimp."
And I think that's beautiful.
We're talking about entertainment, so of course it is!
Yeah, or even better, giving a tank to a band of chimps
Slippin Jimmy i can handle just fine but Slippin Jimmy with a law degree is like a chimp with a machine gun-
it works sometimes, but most of the time it backfires heavily
I will do it and you can't stop me
This will be so humiliating for Russia, waiting for another video where WW3 starts over this
Hope we’ll be able to vote for the peace treaty of that WW3
@@alphabetaomega265 we can create an infinite series then
@@hendriktonisson2915 No
@@sprintfoxy1240 Any explanations?
@@hendriktonisson2915 Do i really need too ? Isn't it obvious that letting nazi Germany have great influence like that (they will have control over baltics,Ukraine,Belarus,Moscow and even Poland), creating a massive bloody war and expanding nazi ideology through Europe will doom the world ?
Seems like these viewers are experts at making peace deals that last all of five minutes. Also, they really, really despise Russia.
now they're going to feel the wrath of the soviets
Given current events, it's not surprising.
@@wires-sl7gs Yes, it's also extremely predictable and boring.
@@kevinboros7427 Agreed
@@kevinboros7427It is also immature
Damn it's a good job all them Soviet troops stationed throughout Eastern Europe just left and went home, glad there was no instability at all
I totally see them just accepting this after having their country absolutely devastated and losing 27 million people. Also I just love that Reddit wants to punish Russia for invading Ukraine so badly that they don’t give Ukraine its territories back from Poland.
Ukraine got caught between the rock (anti-Russian sentiment) and the hard place (pro-Polish sentiment).
@@alexeyamosov664 well, sure, but Ukraine also isn't independent. You'd have to actually make the USSR lose a war to make satisfactory borders in that regard. I think that's why it didn't get anything in this peace deal. If people could balkanize the USSR further, I'm sure they would have, and I think then Ukraine probably gets most, if not all of what it wants. But that would have been even more fantasy land rofl
And idk if it's all about the current events. Actually would've been more interesting to have these videos before the invasion to see how many people to genuinely just hate the USSR. I, for one, definitely would've voted against the USSR in every step but not because of the current events in Ukraine in the slightest
> Fights War of Extermination.
> _Loses land and influence._
Great job, viewers. I'm sure this diplomacy would last.
Well they did also start the war with Germany so
and all because of political decisions they made 90 years in the future
@@Gordonjamesheneryproductionsand they were still one of the big three who were victors in the war. I don’t like Stalin or the Soviets but good fucking luck with taking territory from them in a peace treaty where they’re among the victors.
@@Gordonjamesheneryproductions I thought that Germany and the Soviets had a non-aggression pact where they carved up Poland, until Germany invaded the Soviets?
@@voided_sunAll of Europe had non-aggression pacts with Germany. With the division of Poland, everything is generally clear: without it, Germany would have been even stronger, even more people would have been killed in concentration camps and USSR would have had a more difficult time in the war. It was simply a necessary step.
Ironically the only thing not balkanized was the balkans
Omg😂
Wait, why would the balkans get indiaized?
I have a feeling this Cold War might not be so cold
Yeah but the Soviets immediately lose
Hot war
Seeing the French-Piedmontese house of Savoy ruling over Southern Italy and Sardinia is already much of a border gore to me (I know that in our timeline they were the ones who voted for the monarchy to stay, but still)
you could bring back the heir of the house Bourbon-Two Sicilies who ruled that kingdom exact of two sicilies before.
@@MrTohawkTwo Siciles didn't have Sardinia.
@@MrTohawkthis. I am from Southern Italy and some people I know still are 'NeoBourbonists' and believe they were extremely cool unlike stupid Savoy.
Meh, it's not like the fallen Romanovs didn't have German origins. Having foreign relations is kind of a thing for monarchical houses.
wait til you hear what houses were ruling over places like the uk, greece or hungary
I wish you included more of the voting results like with the other videos. That is so fun for me to see just how close or not close the results were!
Also helps to see if some of the votes were taken under the assumption that other votes would succeed. Especially for the ruling government, since thats one of the biggest factors in determining how happy every major power is (Just as an example, if the baltics, poland, and the southern german confederation including the czechs went communist, the Soviets would be much more favorable to the deal). You can kinda tell it probably happened a decent bit, removing Franco because hes a totalitarian but then reinstating totalitarians in Poland is an interesting play
Idk if those specific votes were actually close, but its interesting to see how far we were from a deal that actually could have worked.
The funny part with Schleswig-Holstein is that denmark didnt want it back.
Unless there was some kind of population exchange, otherwise they decided that the German majority there would always cause problems.
It seemed like many smaller nations were hesitant, because taking land would inevitably lead to more disputes and conflict in the future.
"We achieved violence in our time"
-The viewers probably
😭
Cursed western victory. I'm sure everything will go well, especially if you make a timeline from this!
why do i hear siren
@@HeadsetHatGuy Soviet invasion of Europe speedrun any%
Soviets will 100% cause a war over this if this is before the nukes are dropped, possibly even after the nukes were dropped as the Soviets know the limited number of nukes are mostly used on japan.
Or the soviet refuse to leave their occupated areas and the allies start operation unthinkable.
Eitherway I see ww2 continuing between Soviets and allies in 1945/46, like little to no gap.
@@matthiuskoenig3378And what's worse, the USA has to wait to procure more nukes as the 3 it had were used.
Is that a red alert I hear in the distance?
His tone in some places reminds me of the Fallout New Vegas Yes Man when you destroy the securitron army at the fort instead of taking control of them like a sane person.
"Wow, you really restored Poland as an anti-communist dictatorship!... Great! No problem!"
Just gonna leave it here but i would be very much interested in seeing a "What if Everything went perfect for Bavaria" beginning in 555
@denizmergen418 lmao
@denizmergen418 Exactly 😭
Virgin "What If Everything Went Perfect For Germany"
Chad "What If Everything Went Perfect For Bavaria"
*_Thad "What If Everything Went Perfect For Saxony"_*
@@concept5631 What if everything went perfect for Ulm
@@Blue_SaaS Ulm?
Is this a meme I fell for?
I wonder what would happen after that. I want to see the alternate timeline, especially the continuation of the series about the viewer map of Africa.
Absolute Chad commenting like this before the video is even released.
@@servantmapper8893he's getting in here first for those fake internet points
💀@@baronnolanvonstraya5743
Soviets would be salty, Northern Italy would probably become an example of a "successful" socialist state & probably close trade partners with Yugoslavia, atleast compared to Southern Italy, German politics would probably be dominated by the reunification question for decades, RoC may beat PRoC, but either one would probably invade unstable mongolia and manchuria to get their land back, Cold War would probably be further factionalised as socialist states following the Italian model diverge from Stalinist Russia, India might unify under some of the stronger states or there might be a lot of war. Same with SEA. Japan probably does a bit better than our timeline.
if you do The Cold War, you should have it be titled "How my Followers caused the World to End"
When I read the option for dividing up India, I had assumed that it would be along the lines of the Princely States. I didn't expect a total ethnic balkanization.
the Soviets would prefer nuclear war to this peace deal.
No way in hell thd Soviets accept this.
Yeah, would of been more acceptable if Russa kept the Baltic and got Poland and Czechoslovakia as puppets.
well they didn't have nukes back then so it wouldn't be much of a war
I mean neither did the allies, they had 3 nukes in the war, 2 were used in Japan. That leaves 1 for the Soviets assuming the plane doesn't get shot down. They had the material and facilties to build 15 more by the end of 1945. But they are still delivered by regular bombers which can be shot down by the still viable soviet airforce. So there is going to be a conventional war, with nukes at the end *if* the allies win air superioty AND do so before the war ends.
Best scenario for WW2 would've been an alliance of Poland, Germany, Britain, France and perhaps others against the Soviet Union. This could've been possible if a more moderate leader came to power in Germany in the 1930s instead of A.H. or if A.H. was removed from power before 1939. Germany could still get most of the territory it had by the end of 1938 without having really bad relations with Britain and France. Germany could have given guarantees to defend Eastern European countries against Soviet aggression. Before the German occupation of Czechia in March 1939 an alliance between Germany, Britain and France against the Soviets was a real possibility. In case of a Soviet attack in this scenario the Soviets wouldn't have any allies or the Lend - Lease and would've been defeated by the European anti-Soviet coalition.
Unfortunately i missed the voting for this, which is sad because it's quite interesting. An idea i'd have going forward is to have fictional viewer voted peace deals from an alternate victory perspective. Like said the viewers voting on a WW1 Central Power victory peace deal, or a WW2 Axis Victory peace deal.
While technically not a peace deal, it would also be cool to vote on the possible collapse of the Warsaw Pact/NATO at the end of the cold war.
Really enjoying these vids. Keep it up dude!
Voting on peace deals from an alternate perspective seems like a really great idea
Look at the description, there’s one you can join rn
@@JacquimoGaming Will do! Thanks!
Im shocked the redditors let the soviets have anything.
I mean I think PH viewers are actually quite rational about the consequences of their actions except in certain specific cases. They weren't trying to screw over the Soviets, they just really like Poland.
@plasmakitten4261 yeah but I didn't expect the soviets to get anything, I thought it was going to be monarchy and democracy up the wazoo and no soviet expansion in the east, even south sakhalin. Every single one of these polls is basically "Russia bad, Germany good" except this one.
@@mappingshaman5280 Not really, they're all "Poland good, anything that could possibly obstacle Poland bad", and Russia has been an unfortunate casualty of the pro-Poland crusade in both this and the Congress of Vienna videos.
i think there probably wasn't an option to balkanize the USSR, because.. well, they won the war. Otherwise you're damn right they would have done it lmao
Considering that the majority of viewers also wanted to restore the idiotic Polish interwar dictatorship, I'm convinced that it's just as much a pro-Polish thing as an anti-Soviet thing. I don't particularly like the USSR but even I gave them reasonable compensation for their war efforts, even if it was less than in our timeline.
This would probably have been the least awful peace deal yet if not for our collective obsession with Poland. Letting Stalin puppet Poland would have probably made him more or less OK with this outcome, as while he has lost Baltic Sea access compared to OTL, he has gained massive dominance over the Black Sea and at least somewhat non-hostile regimes in large parts of the Mediterranean. He also got Sakhalin, which is all he could really want in the East, and the expansion of states which could easily fall into the Soviet sphere into Chinese territory.
Puppeted Poland basically guarantees the Baltic states fall back in to the Soviet orbit, so Stalin would certainly be happy enough with that. The borders the viewers drew, on the other hand, ensures that Soviet troops never withdraw from the frontlines. Puppet states by another name, I suppose.
BUT POLAND NEEDS TO BE STRONK!!!
And the underdeveloped eastern regions populated by Ukrainians /Belarusians are not necessary for Poland to be "stronk". All those do is paint a bright red Soviet target on Poland's back.
@@gengarzilla1685 Listen bigger equates stonker no matter that the cultural tears cause more problem than their worth
@@KiraiKatsuji This is just going to get them invaded by the Soviets all over again. You can't make Poland stronk with changes at this point in the timeline, it's too late for that. Try the WW1 poll if you want a stronk Poland.
Me: "Surely after the last two scenarios, people have learned their lesson and became sensible."
Me: Sees the thumbnail....
20 million Soviets died for Hungary and Romania.
I love how this completely guarantees a ww3
West is definetly wining
@@Onelifegaming096 Wouldn't be so sure
@@sprintfoxy1240i would
@@hiplsnols4394 i wouldn't
@@Onelifegaming096Boom-boom, and no winners
We did it chat, we saved what's left of the world order!
I hope there'll be a world left.
End the world
Holy moly Italian and German nationalism is gonna have a fieldday after this peacedeal.
Missed opportunity to let the Netherlands keep indonesia and then annex Malaya and the Phillippines as well (yes this was seriously an outcome possible by the poll).
i tried to get us a hilariously funny border in northern japan (give japan the small islands and the russian island but give russia hokkiado)
@@Bacony_Cakessame
@@gameingboy9541 i also tried for hilariously pathetic prussia (there are only two prussian states, one is memel, and the other one is seperated from memel by huge poland)
@@Bacony_Cakes I Gave Britain Eritrea and Somalia, but let italy keep ethiopia
Woah your editing skills have improved a lot dude, congrats
Honestly, if the Soviets had a few more puppets, it seems actually like a good deal.
And maybe a little different Asia.
My overall European division in the votes involved a smaller East Germany with German division running entirely along the Oder, Poland as in our timeline, a dissolution of the Czechoslovak state with Slovakia in the eastern bloc and Hungary and Romania as in our timeline, with Bulgaria going under Tito's Yugoslavia instead. Austria was also fully under the west. My intent was to push the Iron Curtain back a bit while still maintaining that unbroken ring of Soviet buffer states stretching from Baltic to Black.
3:05 "Until now, we used to say that the Greeks fight like heroes. Now we shall say, the heroes fight like Greeks." (This was an awesome video, but we aren't cry babies.
RIP the kids that would then have to name all nations, flags, regimes and capitals of those new nations. Very nice video, really enjoyed voting in the votes ☺
Assuming these nations last up to 2023 (and that's a huge ask), we'd have had 78 years to get used to this.
Honestly I don't think we did too badly with this one, with the exception of the Soviets being rather unhappy, which may lead to more conflict in the future
And that they balkanized India, meaning China will likely be the sole future Superpower of Asia sooner or later and will be able to divide and conquer India Diplomatically, and the same with Indonesia.
But yeah, aside from that and being stupid about the Soviets, not too bad. Would of been more interesting if Poland and Czechoslovakia were Soviet Puppets, as well as the Baltic annexed by the Soviets, but oh well.
No this is absolutly terrible. Italy and germany are carved up. Soviet discontend starts ww3 and possibly a nuclear war. India is balkanized making sure that china is the sole superpower in asia , indochina is probably breaking up with a civil war. mongolian chinese and manchu conflict are bound to happen.
It's 100% going to lead to conflict, I predict 1945/46
This is a horrible peace that will lead to instability in Asia, leave China as the dominant asian power, and will lead to irreparable damage from the 3rd world war.
also remember the us has nukes the ussr don't atlest not yet so stalins hands are tied
bismark is rolling in his grave over that peace deal
No change from our timeline then.
i just tried to make yugoslavia as absolutely gigantic as possible.
HAIL MARSHAL TITO GREATEST LEADER IN THE WORLD
Soviets: I took on 80% of the wermacht and lost a quarter of my population
Allies: Yes and we'll never forget your sacrifice!
Soviets: So do i get some land as compensation
Allies: LOL no
Germans: Could you please nuke us, would be better than to go back to feudal HRE.
I love these videos were you ask you’re viewers to choose the borders of Europe and we see how they play out.
if this really happened, history lesson would get A LOT harder, but i think more people would study.
"Bulgaria will lose a little bit of their south, but they will get a little bit of land in the north! Oh and i forgot, bulgaria doesnt exist"
For some reason I love the delivery of the lines at 5:23 .
Yugoslav wars are gonna be fun in this timeline.
its gonna be fun to see the soviets go on a rampage in eastern europe during the cold war video
As a german, having Germany, dissolved once again pains me, after hundreds of years we are finally united and 70 years later everything is gone again. Tho realistically after 70 years of unification the people would probably want to reform Germany.
As an Austrian, getting to puppet german states is the best timeline
as a bavarian independence is the best timeline
@@Miekio123 nah, Hitler brought you the best timeline in 1938 already 😎
@@emsproviero 🤓
Yeah, but here's the age old question, under the Austrian habsburgs or the prussians (again).
Can you have us vote for the peace treaty of WW3, which will inevitably happen immediately in this scenario?
Thanks
Considering all the post viewer map predictions where very good so far and that ww1 is one of my favourite historical periods, i definitelly did the survey. Though do be warned, I tried to make the scenario as dificult and incomprehensible as posible (And even so im sure it will make for great content, love your vids by the way)
I also went for that, just complete border gore and shattered states
same, independence for all😈
I went for the crazy stuff
omg same. chaos mode engaged >:)
russia and china, the countries that suffered the most under WW2 and were crucial in securing an allied victory, are surely gonna be incredibly happy with LOSING land in the peace conference lmao
fr in every single vote people are just screwing up Russia because of current events and it's really predictable and dumb.
That Manchurian Qing state is a humongous slap in the face too. Way more so than American Taiwan. It basically legitimizes Imperial Japan's illegal seizure of Manchuria and vindicates its puppet emperor Puyi, the deposed last Emperor of China, for collaborating with the Japanese.
Honestly, this one might be an even worse decision than letting Poland keep both the east lands and interwar dictatorship. Embracing an artificial Japanese collaborationist "nation" in the postwar world will *absolutely* go over well at the peace negotiations.
i am so glad to have been one of the people at this peace conference
This the first one i’ve taken part in
_Let’s see how much chaos we have unleashed…_
Not even 10 seconds in, and I already know we've started WW3, I'll report back when I finish watching.
Dear god I was right
I feel like I should hate the viewers. But at the same time this was funny, so I forgive everyone, including myself.
"Peace in our time"
- You, probably
Where’s the continuation? It’s not out yet
Maybe they meant the 21st
@@MrToymaster1 that makes sense
@@JacquimoGaming he said this saturday in the video maybe he postponed it
Still not here.
the war to end all wars they said. now we start to understand why the world wars are a franchise.
Guys would it be funny if we balkanized the map as much as possible
Possible History: Ok, viewers, let's vote on redrawing the borders of the Axis powers after WWII in order to ensure peace.
Viewers: (vote to unilaterally invade Spain)
rare viewer W
"We did it, Patrick! We saved Spain!"
I love the fact that every option I choose became reality
I came pretty close, too. Only problem would be occupation zones, but maybe Stalin gets to play with Prussia.
You have absolutely no taste
@@pouletvert8707 Why is that?
@@pouletvert8707🤓🤓🤓
@@JacquimoGamingcringe
That division of Istria made no sense. You gave the majority italian areas to Yugoslavia and the majority slovene areas to italy. I think you, Possible history, got it wrong in the drawing of the map, because you say "southern part will remain in italy" but instead do the opposite to the map.
Oh my god we'd die in a thermonuclear war in this scenario
Divides the Raj along ethnolinguistic lines.
Creates Burma with modern borders.
XD
Yes, because the Burmese government will definetly respect and tolerate all ethnicties, religions, and languages within their borders, and not commit genocide!! 🥰
Balkan Raj on one end and United Indochina on the other is just pure insanity.
the commitment of voters to make the worst possible outcome at all times is amazing tbh
Greece is such a satisfying shape
Me at the beginning of the video: I swear, if Hungaria gets Transilvania, I'll scream.
Me now: AAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Here before the premiere, judging by the thumbnail, my predictions about a greater Prussian kaiserreich were absolutely right
Edit: My predictions were absolutely right
I'm here before the premiere too!
@@ericanthonyty3729 no
Mr Socialistrepublicofvietnam, congratulations on your pan-indochina state.
As an Indonesian myself I personally hated how the viewers chose the fate of my beloved home country
Indonesian balkanization is one thing, but that greater malaysia tho 😭
On behalf of everyone who voted to balkanize Indonesia. My bad bro
At least you got independence
I honestly do not forsee the Borneo states surviving for very long, Malaysia will most likely annex them.
hiduplah melayu raya😊
I really wanted to give all of the region of Prussia to Poland but that wasn't an option.
Will you repeat this with history youtubers? I loved your Congress of Vienna, might as well do a Potsdam too.
Did he mean NEXT Saturday?
he said this saturday in the video maybe he postponed it
Me personally, I feel like instead of the states next to Bavaria being divided and restored, they should all be under one, Habsburg-Controlled *Wurttemburg* state. But still good job :D
Por lo más sagrado, nunca dejes que tus seguidores vuelvan a elegir las fronteras del mundo
“Bulgaria doesn’t exist anymore” Is so threatening for zero reason
Truly one of the peace conferences of all time...
most realistic HOI4 peace deal
8:12 Borneo Island borders are the weirdest fictional borders I've ever seen...
I did that once, I thought it would be funny to have many large nations all being landlocked by a single tiny city state wrapping around the continent in a line so thin it's just a wall.
Pink state: Nocoast4u
Yes. I know I’m a year late.
I love these types of videos from you. Keep at 'em!
I'm surprised the final map is literally 80% of what i voted
Can you make future polls more colourblind freindly? It was really confusing to fill out.
Surely the conflict between Poles and Soviets would be inevitable with such borders, but I doubt it will end in WW3. Stalin would pressure for extra consetion but if he will see collective disapproval from the West I think Moscow will take step back to not provoke another war - IRL that was the case with Iran and Turkey.
Main question is, will the Cold War even happen? The Red meanece is less present, Europe isn't divided in half and Soviet Union have less geopolitical advantages to successfuly pressure their ideology on others
...yet. The fate of China is still up in the air and I bet Stalin will want a pro-Soviet government to win it just to spite the west.
very good as always, may i suggest for the next one (or at least the one after next, as i see the poll is already out) you use a voting system other than plurality
still better than post ww2 hoi4 peace deals
less communism and a decent amount if balance in the world
This is a fever dream and I don't know if I love it ironically, or hate its very essence *as well* as everyone behind it.
Let's do a contraversial one, what if the doctor's plot was real?
Wait so salt shaker looking aliens arrive on earth basically
if it was real nobody would have known it existed
@@wxles What are you talking about admiral_freeze7248?
@@AmirSatt Yeah but it's more important to address the implications here, namely the possible rise of anti-semitism in the ussr.
Khrushev personally poisoned him, that is what all stalinists say, lol@@svevsky
I'm glad I finally took part in one
I kinda wish the WWI poll had options for the outcomes of the attempted German, Hungarian, Finish, and Italian revolutions. But I guess that’s not something being decided by the people negotiating the treaty.
Ai cant fiind the pol do you know wher it is
@@MariusCeausu-zc7uythe video description
@@cstick2664 thanks
One video concept I think you could explore is an "alternate end" peace deal. Like maybe one where Napolean wins instead of loses, Central Powers win ww1 etc. Could be funny.
We the people of the youtube comment section truly are the best diplomats and peacekeepers of all time
The big problem with India was the lack of polling options. There are many intermediate steps between a two state solution and full Balkanization. Anyone who wanted an independent Punjab or Sikkim or Kashmir or Bengal or Tamil Nadu or Dravidia would have no choice but to vote for full Balkanization.
Awesome how this worked out in everyone's favor. 😅
Lovely peace deal, honestly. It might be unstable, but seems like a nice reality.
This was fun! I voted to keep India and Indonesia united. This way there is more chaos tho lol
The changes I voted on that went through:
Luxembourg
Netherlands*
Hungary
Austria**
Sahalin
*The lesser expansion option was technically achieved by the greater one
**I voted for a democracy, but this is fine too I guess
The only change I made that went through was Bulgarian annexation into specifically Tito's Yugoslavia. They didn't collapse into bloody civil war during the continuation video and even ended up being important in the Third World War so I'll take a personal W from it.
Crazy how the viewers peace deal is better for Germany than the real one
What did you expect
Yay my vote was in also new subscriber