2017 Volkswagen Golf Alltrack On & Off-Road Review: New Dirty-Worthy VW Station Wagon?
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VW owes one sale to you. I was going to hold my nose on the CVT and buy the Subaru...until I watched the drag race vid on the Alltrack v the Subaru. Love my Alltrack
yeah that Subie is slow!
Had a CVT....terrible! So annoying to drive. Agree...the VWs are so much better to drive.
Sweet Wagon!!! VW did a damn good job with this one. I test drove one today and was impressed with refinement, power, and handling. Something the Outback no longer has.
With Volkswagen's 4Motion cars, you need to press on the gas for the Awd system to send power, it does not work by barely pressing the gas pedal and waiting. 4Motion splits 90/10 on most occasions but will transfer power to any wheel who needs it.(haldex) a very efficient AWD,that allows you to move well in light,medium off road and snow/ice.
It's the same Haldex in the Audi quattro system. I have my Audi TT with it and it works well, but like you said, you gotta press the gas and wait for it to come on.
not all audi quattro systems based on haldex. only on a1/a3/tt/q2/q3. eg. mqb platform. the rest use torsen.
Maxim L. yes most of the more expensive Audi and Volkswagen are Torsen regardless of the naming 4Motion or Quattro like the Touareg or Q5.
pikepeak1 Haldex Gen5 should be enough unless you will go into heavy off roading, in addition you should not floor it, you should hit the gas hard enough for momentum and 4Motion will start switching power and Traction between your tires.
Audi will be changing their Torsen based AWD for electronically controlled, Haldex-like clutches. It starts with the new B9 A4 and will continue to the other vehicles, exception made of RS models. Look up the « Quattro with Ultra » system, which is essentially a FWD biased part-time AWD. Looks like true permanent AWD is getting extinct...
Glad it's finally coming! Pissed no TDI!
I live in Sweden with harsh winter condition and this car is AWESOME in the snow!
You guys are the first of the networks I follow to put up a video. I did see Jalopnik live streaming it yesterday. Thanks!
Also.. I expected this to return better MPG than 22/30. Maybe just the 2017 numbers are overall lower. The outback does a lot better than this in mpg, for eg.
+Dongi you saw it first on TFL ;-)
Sure thing!
Poor mans audi allroad?
Did you check the emissions?
This is what I like about TFL! They will test the car to it's fullest
I wish there were more wagon options to choose from
ya not much choice. Mazda needs to bring back the 6 wagon and also a accord or camry wagon...I own a sportwagon tdi. planning on taking the buyback but not much choice besides this one or outback
Mazda has the CX-5 which is similar in size to the Sportwagen
+L&K Truong in Australia there is a Mazda 6 wagon option
BMW tdi awd wagon.
Just helped my parents purchase a new 2017. They had the A3 tdi with the S line package and the two sunroofs. We loved this car. There really was nothing comparable to it on the market when we bought it. Then the tdi foolishness happened. We bought the car used for 25K in August 2015 and Audi is going to buy it back for over 33K. So not a bad deal.
They got a new Alltrack SEL with every bell and whistle. originally 36K and purchased for 26K. It is a great car. Again, I don't think there is anything comparable to it on the market. There are only a few wagons from which to chose in the US, and none in this price range with that massive, and I do mean MASSIVE sunroof.
I literally found this car online today on my endless quest to find a non nuttless alternative to a cross trek that didn't throw a price and mpg combo at me that left me saying "why not just a 4runner?" and you guys have a video the same day. so many thumbs up. you rock.
I'm here 3 years late, but I just came to the same realization. I love everything about the Crosstrek except for the gutless engine and the soulless transmission. This seems to check both boxes for me! Cool to see somebody else on the same train of thought haha
awesome thanks for the variety in car vids!
I love it! I have a hard time being impressed by an offroad course that was setup by the manufacturer though:)
Finally going to see something on the road other than a crosstrek
a great alternative to small SUVs especially the tigun
Yup, I love it!! Give us the GTI version and I'd be running to the dealership to buy one!
Spec it with the GT TDi engine and it would be a winner, plus an integrated towbar bike rack too...probably sell more than the Transporter then, especially if's it's only 35k.
This is amazing. I was just thinking about the Golf Wagon on there it is.
That panoramic sunroof is awesome! Mini clubman, look out!
Yeah, it's real awesome if you're tall and your head rubs on it all the time. No thanks.
good thing most tall individuals ride in the front seats
Expensive repair bill from leaking look out 😬
whats funny is that this is pretty much the same exact idea as the AMC Eagle wagon.
except the Eagle could drive on a real off road trail. all it needed was lockers in the axles and it would've walked that trail as easily as a parking lot full of speed bumps.
i wouldn't mind that AWD system if it was faster at adapting to different grip situations rather than taking an entire 5 seconds to realize a wheel is in the air
love TFL videos
petrol, i guess, hehe.. but 2.0 tdi is really way to go.
izoyt i had one. It was terrible. Had it had AWD that might he different, but damn it was so slow and boring.
I’ve driven a 2012 Jetta Sportwagen and then this, and this is SO much more fun to drive. Partially AWD, partially the engine which is fantastic.
@@RobertSavello should try gtd version then,,
They should’ve put the 2.0 T from the gti into this car. Don’t get me wrong, the 1.8 is a good engine. But more Hp and Tq would’ve been ideal in this
Question for TFL and any others. Between a new VW alltrack or a 2013 Audi allroad which one you would you choose and why? Also which one has more rear passenger space?
I love all VW's. I just don't understand why they don't offer the larger 2 liter engine in a larger car like this to help in keeping it's "spiriting driving" tradition.
well, once the dealers are willing to play ball with deals I will start looking at one of these to replace my aging 04 wagon passat.
So sad, no TDI. I was so looking forward to an electric Bi-turbo TDI with a 10 speed DSG.
Subaru Outback does come to mind for competing with this Golf All-Track, with similar price range, standard Symmetrical AWD, X-Mode, and available 6-cylinder Boxer engine. The 6-cylinder Boxer engine only gives up 3 MPG overall compared to the Golf All-Track, but the 4-cylinder Outback is more fuel-efficient with less horsepower. The Outback will of course be reliable, despite having a CVT.
Hey, I didn't know you came to Seattle! That's where I live!
No an Outback isn’t a crossover. It’s just a lifted stationwagon with more off-road/rugged styling. It’s essentially a lifted Legacy wagon with a facelift also.
WTF is that “I’m stuck” comment ½ a second after losing traction?? Seriously. You’re not stuck just because you spin a wheel or lose traction momentarily. You apply some juice and the Haldex system will move you on.
From the looks of it the AWD system takes a while to finally send power to the rear wheels. At least form those short clips it doesn't inspire confidence if it is needed in ice and snow and it doesn't have the same amount of time to make a decision. I'd like to see a snow setting and the off-road setting automatically send 50/50 power when selected.
I know I’m replying to this comment long after it’s relevant, but you were correct... it isn’t all that great in snow. I drove an 03 WRX on summer tires one time that did better in the slippery stuff, than my Alltrack does on all-seasons it came with. And to me, it’s due to the difference between full-time AWD, and power-transfer AWD; by the time the car’s detected slippage, it’s too late.
This isn't VW... this is the driver NOT PUSHING THE GAS PEDAL THINGY UNDER HIS RIGHT FOOT. ;)
Thanks, think a comparison between Alltrack and a Forester?
I love it, next on my list once I deal with my TDI Passat.
What is wrong with your TDI?
I'm guessing buy back.
turns out is no good for trees, however the TDI passat drives so good, im not sure you will like the drive in this
guys, nothing wrong with my TDI Passat. I love it. What I meant was if in Canada, Tdi buybacks take place same as US, then I might give Passat back and pick up an all track.
but that passat drive though, its so soft, I would be sad to have to give it away
I see this as more in direct competition with the Crosstrek than Outback.
You know what would be perfect for this? A diesel engine. Oh, wait...
Looks like this is gonna be an ideal choice for young couples or small families.
Watched the other video comparing to the Sportwagen 4motion and you show the Alltrac going up the off-road course with no drama. You didn't show that here. Why? Clearly you were in road mode and the traction control was impeding you.
I miss the TDI. Couldn't VW at least put the 2.0 motor in it. Speaking of unicorns, I really want the Golf R Estate brought to the US.
Does it have a power tailgate like the outback?
i wish vw sell this model in Mexico!! I mean, the 4motion version, the 1.8 tsi motor and the option of a six speed manual transmission!!
here we have only the front wheel drive with 1.4 tsi motor with 150 HP and the automatic transmission!!!
They need to add the Engine from Golf R into this ... They also need to offer the Engine from the GTD into this as well !!! Those Two engines coupled with the All Wheel drive will have the All Track selling like HOTCAKES !
I’m looking to buy one of these as I can’t find a new wagon with a manual transmission. I was kinda horrified by the poor AWD performance compared to my ‘07 Forester, but the comments seem to agree that slippage actually has to occur before the system can transfer torque. I am consistently aware of the individual tire grip on the Forester with its viscous center diff and mechanical limited rear diff and no traction control features. I was hoping that the AWD would prevent the modern traction control from cutting power or applying brake as I always feel these actions are counter to how I’ve already adjusted to the situation. Other than a little less power, I’m hoping for a better daily driver with better gas mileage than my Subie. 🤞
The EJ253 has less power than the 1.8tsi. I traded my outback for an alltrack and I don’t miss the outback at all. The difference between Subaru CVT AWD and 4motion is almost nonexistent.
@@brettpanzer Of course my Forester has the EJ255 and has more power than the 1.8 in the AllTrack.
I did buy a low mileage 2019 (manual of course) and it is very poor performance-wise in comparison to the Foz, but I do like how quiet it is and I can get 30 mpg in it, where I can count the fill-ups that I got over 20 mpg in the Forester in 15 years on one finger.
The handling is definitely comfort and not performance, and the rebound on the shocks is similar to a ‘70s American sedan on low frequency bumps or dips. Driving it 4000 miles so far, I reckon I’ll keep it, but I couldn’t sell my old car as the VW is so daft. I was right about the traction control and delay in both engine power and power transfer to the rear. I will try performance shocks first. But I don’t believe I will chase performance out of this car - I’ll just have to keep a second car for fun-to-drive.
Cheers
Does it have a auto truck opening option?
Is the cabin loud? Road noise?
Is it really ruggedized or just look that way with slapped on plastic?
The ground clearance between Alltrack and Outback is more like 2 inches, not one like you said. When a manufacturer flies you some place to test their car, you better not say anything bad.
The VW is a road car that can go off-road. The Outback is the opposite.
I was looking forward to this car but than VW decided to only offer the lighting package on the top line SEL trim. At that price point there are a number of other cars to look at. At least for my needs/wants.
A loaded version of this car in Canada is over $46k with destination and taxes. For that kind of money you can buy a lightly used ANYTHING, including a Range Rover, Mercedes, Audi, or what have you. This VW has limited headroom for tall people, rock hard seats, and so-so MPG. Not to mention, VW has had many issues with their 1.8L turbo engines burning oil. Pass.
How is the Golf wagon much different than a Jetta wagon? I know this one is an alltrack but wouldn't a 1.8T or 2.5 Jetta wagon with a little more ground clearance be the exact same thing? Or does this car replace the Jetta sport wagon? Sorry for so many questions!
The golf sportwagon replaces the jetta sportwagon, but they're very similar. And the the 1.8T and 1.4T vw engines have replaced the 2.5 and 2.0 NA engines. Hope that answers your questions! :)
+Dea Garic you did! Thank you!
They are technically the same. in Canada they were naming them golf and in the US jetta. The us eventually changed it to golf. I think the only diference was the front bumper and the dash...eastetic stuff.
There's a handful of minor changes overall, like improved interior quality but slightly smaller cargo space. This link sums it up; www.newcenturyvw.com/clp-2015-volkswagen-golf-sportwagen-vs-2014-volkswagen-jetta-sportwagen
Dea Garic L&K Truong Thank you both for your help! Dea, that link was very helpful.
Nice review. I will wait for the manual tranny.
This car is looking extremely appealing to me....I love its conservative looks, I know that the aftermarket world is primed & ready to hug this car!
I like the idea of it too, but rock hard seats, limited headroom for tall people and questionable reliability will prevent me from buying one.
What transmission is in this? I see paddles and is it the DSG?
Did you watch the video with the sound off? The DSG is the only transmission it comes with right now. The manual will not be available until early 2017.
These are fantastic cars.
ok now would you buy this or a 2017 outback 2.5 with the cvt ???????
This
Screw the Atlas. This thing could save VW in the USA.
SoundgardenMan I doubt it will
#savethewagons
I'd like to see it loaded to max capacity, then see how your "ground clearance" looks.
And the point being what? Any car loaded up will lose suspension travel so what are you expecting to find?
I'd buy it as my first family car.
I like this. totally unrelated but if they make the R and GTI 4 door only in US then they better bring the scirocco over here! tall guys prefer bigger doors.
So the comment is made that if a shopper thinks a golf is too small and a Touareg too big they should get an alltrack. Well Roman there's one model you completely forgot to mention... The Tiguan. Why? Are you against it? Last I checked in 04'-06' Volkswagen spent quite a bit of R&D time making it pretty competent off-road(at least for the Mk1 which Americans can still buy brand new from Osnabrück), even more so than this Golf with a slight lift.
Where in WA is this?
Everyone boots Outback out of their class when reviewing something else. It's a wagon if you're reviewing crossovers, but a crossover when you're reviewing wagon. An outback would pants this thing offroad. The AWD in a Subaru smokes VW's. These Alltracks are sweet vehicles though.
They give us an offloading golf wagon but we don't get the golf R sport wagon?!
I like to see it on snow
Please do a Toyota Sequoia
You will test the new Fiat Panda 4x4?
They don't sell the Fiat Panda in the U.S. so they won't be reviewing it most likely.
Good video! But, not ready to trust VW yet...
Can you please do a review of a bmw x5 50d m. 2016
The X5 50d M is not available in the US market. The X5 M in the US only comes with the 4.4L V8 petrol.
More fun than the current Outback
VW was smart in controlling the off road condition track by inviting the journalists & auto review to their controlled off road track. Take note all reviewers of the Alltracks used the same off road track by VW. TFL Cars used the Cliff Hanger for the Outback and gave it a negative review.
I find it hilarious that this thing has hill decent control. Also, how can it be more lively than a Jetta, when it uses the exact same platform, and is nearly the same dimensions as a Jetta?
The Alltrack (and all MK7 Golfs) use the MQB platform. The US Jetta uses the previous platform (will be moved to MQB in a year or two I believe).
With apolgies to all ... don't mean to throw cold water on all the "gushing" ... but I had a 2012 Jetta TDI SW ... and this looks pretty darn similar to my old eyes ... and they (VW) had issues getting it noticed by consumers and it sold poorly ... I can only hope they (VW) fixed some of my concerns ... very cramped rear seating ...so-so stereo (Radio III if I recall) ... DSG (seemed to lack the normal automatics torque multiplication at low speeds which you may need for offroad crawling...or for getting unstuck) .... and yes I understand the JSW was only FWD and this is AWD (sort of) ... 170HP??? ... seems a little thin ... especially if you fill it with folk-n-gear and long uphill sections ...mine had the panoramic sunroof which sounded "romantic" but was actually noisy when opened and broiled the tops of my kids heads if left uncovered ... I'm sure for VW fanatics this car is "Wunderbar", though probably a few "clicks" away from "fahrfergnunen" ...
I love it but put Golf 6 GTI drls and it will look even more coll
Wouldn't it be more comparable to the XV Crosstrek?
Somewhat, but price-wise it is more comparable to the Outback.
I think it's kind of between crosstreck and the outback size wize
I feel like it's closest competitor would actually be the Volvo V60 CC
I agree that it's far too small to be an Outback competition, but then Crosstrek is also too small to be its competition.
I consider a car to be a "wagon" if it's longer than the equivalent sedan. For example, Outback is longer than Legacy. Crosstrek/Impreza is merely a hatchback because it's shorter than Impreza sedan. This Golf Alltrack appears to be a proper (raised) wagon.
If raised Levorg existed, that'd be similar, but then, Levorg isn't even available in the US/Canada (sad). And besides, Levorg would completely whip the Golf Alltrack in everything. :P
...why not Forester? Lol it's on the WRX platform. About the right size, similar HP on the base engines, 6spd or a form of auto, etc..
As a recent former VW owner dealer cared for, if they just had the reliability. They should just sell them with a Toyota engine.
Outback has 1.8 inches more ground clearance not 1 inch.
I like it. Looks like you can sleep in it. AWD. Make it into a stealth camper
Tri-fold mattress fits perfectly in the cargo area, and once you lay the larger segment of the back seats down it folds out perfectly flat. Throw some magnetic curtains on the windows, and I no longer bother with hotels on long road trips.
VW flew you to test one of their cars on a track chosen by them.Very unbiased review :).
All manufacturers do this for new products. This is not designed as an offroad vehicle anyway, so the track they provided is more challenging than 99% of these vehicles will ever see.
This is one thing i don't really get. Why car makers keep doing these allroad/alltrack/cross-country vehicles. People are really buying them ? They won't see anything close to offroad anyway. And if you have to do some more than occasional offroading, why not buying a compact SUV? Like a Tiguan, which i believe it's about the same height as the alltrack golf there. I really and truly hate this type of cars because they serve no useful purpose.
Its expensive, so why didn't it come equipped with the 2.0TSI?
2.0 TSI 170HP
2.0 TSI 200HP
1.8 TSI 170 HP it is pretty much the same as the smaller 2.0, i am guessing the 200hp is reserved for the larger more powerful Tiguan.
+Intrepid Milotic it's not hard to make it over 300 horsepower with just two or three parts and some software
I WANT ONE IN A TDI WITH A 6 SPD MANUAL! The 4Motion may suck vs the Subaru's AWD but i was waiting for this thing in a TDI forever.....shit any gonna happen no more.
You and 7 or 8 other people.
P Pha it's unfortunate that they're not making it in TDI
your pt cruiser also spewed more toxic emissions.
you just have to know the right people to get the Tdi model here in the USA and be ok that it doesn't have the Tdi badge on the back, better price too to buy an independently imported one.
I've heard from a local vw shop that VW is dropping tdi production, not sure if I believe that but it wont be coming to the states, but I'm sure you could have one shipped from germany, or special ordered if you knew who to ask
When off roading, youre supposed to feather the throttle and let the car send the perfect amount of power to the 4 wheels, that way, no dust gets kicked up. Roman, you know better than this!
Can this Wagon be "Catagorized ' as a cheap version of an Audi Allroad?
This can be, however I would recommend and allroad if you have been already looking at it as the Quattro system has better technology than the 4motion, and on the allroad it's standard
The new A4/Allroad and the AWD Sportwagen/Alltrack both share the same AWD system, Haldex. Same as the Golf R, Tiguan, A3/S3, Q3/5; though there are minor tweaks here and there. Then you get Torsen AWD systems in the Touareg/Q7/larger Audi sedans. Then there is an entirely different AWD system for the R8. 4Motion and Quattro really is just marketing and branding.
I'd say a "cheap" Audi Allroad is a great way to describe it. Less features and a little less power, but same general idea.
The altrack competes with the crosstrek.
It is more of a crossover than the Mazda cx3.
25 mpg not so great. I had a lot of small cars that did better in the past ,think it is all the weight of added features. I had a status that got 30all the time and it was a good size car. I had a gearwheel drive 200sx that would get mid 30s in 1984. Don't like the light color interior grey or black works better specialy in a sudo offroader one muddy boot and you have a mess I side.
is this just a rebadged allroad
Almost no one with any CUV goes "offroad". All this "offroad" stuff is pretty hysterical. Nice car, and you'll be able to buy a 4Motion Sportwagen without the cladding too.....
this or all road??? what would you get
Well this car starts at $25000 and the Audi Allroad starts at $45,000. So they don't really compete.
Timothy Germann I hear your point, but VW and Audi share many parts and platforms. If you look closely, many Audi interiors are looking so similar now. It's getting annoying. I'd take this over the all road. Who cares about the badge
Francois DuJour I know this comment is old but I figured I would share that the all road and the alltrac are two completely different cars. Different engines, transmissions and AWD systems. The all road is an actual Quattro system. Also while Audi and VW are part of the same company, the interior styling of the two are not similar in any way.
It is a cool wagon. But i wouldnt say its a station wagon. Atleast when i think station wagon I think an old b body chevy caprice wagon or the old pontiac wagons. Full size and rwd. I find that a station wagon. This is a mid size wagon id say. But still cool nonetheless. I like wagons personally better than crossovers. I think it be cooler if more manufacturers brought back the full size wagon. Like something the size of the new chevy ss but in wagon form. That would be interesting to see.
they don't make station wagon s like that anymore
Tray Muse I know right. Tis a shame.
back when gas was a quarter of the price right now....
I'm with you to a degree (an a couple months late to comment lol), but they kinda do make full-size wagons still, they just don't make it to North America. The Passat Wagon, also offered with an "Alltrack" variant, is much, much bigger. We just love our bloated SUVs way to much... it's a shame really.
Alltrac Toyotas from the 80's/90's anyone?
Awesome. Maybe one day VW will offer as many models in the US as they do in such major nations as Dubai, Australia and S. Africa. Until then let them keeping banging their heads saying "why do we fail?".....
If you take it off-road you better put on a panzer plate or you will break your oil pan.
Too bad Subaru foolishly cut you off from their press cars. The outback would probably destroy this in a head to head off road video and have much better reliability and lower maintenance costs over time.
I was going to get an '18 Crosstrek, but Subaru did nothing with the god awful engine. In my '16 Crosstrek, I feel like I am going to die whenever I merge onto the highway or pull into traffic. It is awful, slow, and unresponsive. The Alltrack is looking more and more like my next car. It is slightly more expensive, but what you get for that couple thousand more seems to make up for the price difference in droves.
Dylan B get it! you won't regret it. i just came from a crosstrek too!
Hhhmmm... I have a 2008 Subaru WRX 5 door. I want another wagon that is AWD and I'd buy another Subaru but they make them all way too high. The VW is very appealing to me but... 170 hp? My WRX has 228 so I think I'd be disappointed in the power difference however, the thing that makes me question the VW's AWD vs my Subaru is how the tires were spinning on the dirt road in this video. I'm going to have to take the VW fAlltrack or a test drive in the wet and punch it off the line. I'm afraid I'm going to be really let down in what they call AWD. I thought I had found a replacement for my Subaru WRX in this but, this video tells me probably not.
I hope you'll let us know what you think once you try it out! I'm interested but just got a Sportwagen last year, so I'm still in "thinking about it" mode.
VW's AWD is definitely not as grippy as Subaru's good oldschool tech. 90/10 until it thinks something else is needed pales in comparison to Subi's pretty even split right off the bat. People keep calling VW's AWD the same as Audi's Haldex stuff, and a lot of people have said it's a pretty dang good AWD system, though I'm no car expert, so I can't say much about how accurate either of those points are.
Nor have I really gotten either car I've owned in a tough off road situation. I bought a 2017 Alltrack to replace a crashed '15 Impreza 5D. The interior is far better, and it has noticeably better ground clearance (at least it feels like it), though the AWD system even on the road feels a bit lesser. That said, it seems to have a lot more getup and go, although that could be that I have a manual with the VW, so it's me controlling it and not some damn economical computer.
This thing is a 2" lift and a set of all terrains away from being really cool.
This thing needs limited slip/locking diffs to work offroad...
Cheaper Audi allroad??? Same thing??
Roman,
IMAGINE hillclimb racers or mudboggers using YOUR technique:
Creep up to the hill/mud bog as slowly as possible, then blame the machine when you "get stuck."
You aren't highlighting what the vehicle CAN do--- you're only demonstrating your refusal do drive WITH PROPER OFF-ROAD TECHNIQUE.
...this vs subaru crosstrek
Why wouldn't they keep it short like the gti and compete with Subaru's cross track. I see those lifted imprezas everywhere and there are fewer competitors. So they're coming out with an ancient idea based on the outback, but more feminine? This is a fail.
That VW depreciation and resale right now, doh...
To bad it did not come with a tdi engine and a 6m tranny, that really would have done the trick
Nice review but I'll stick with my Foresters.
Foresters were cool little wagons until they turned into bloated pigs.
OMGWTFLOL I've owned 2 Foresters. Now own a 13 WRX. My wife drives a 15 Forester XT. For a bloated Forester it sure moves fast and handles well compared to my old Forester.
OMGWTFLOL well my bloated pig XT moves faster than just about anything near its size or price range :P
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