Alltrack all day. I drove my 2017 SEL stock for 18 months before getting it tuned. Just this week I upgraded to the IS20 and added a carbon fiber cold air intake. With the extra power and the tuned DSG, this wagon hauls ass and also hauls all my stuff.
The Alltrack can bolt on an IS38 (R/S3 turbo), downpipe, and intercooler and be reliably tuned to 350+ HP. While both have a manual option, the DSG is also an incredible auto transmission and far superior to any CVT.
Thanks for the video. We were crossing the same cars for my wife. She drove the outback like 100 feet and refused to give up manual transmission. And she hated the SUV like drive of the outback compared to the golf. We found the last green manual alltrack with all the options within 300 miles and are making the 8 hour round trip to pick it up in a couple days.
Subaru, I have a 2010 and since 2020 only one maintenance issue with crankshaft gasket after 180,000 miles. Other than that still same factory battery and everything else from spark plugs to water pumps. 10 years 1 issue, they got me for life.
Boys, Our southern neighours might be interested to learn that wagons and manuals never really went out of style in Canada . We just can't get too many these days due to our common North American auto market. #SaveTheManualWagon
yup, we love our wagons up here in Canada. Which is why VW Canada stock piled a whole bunch of 2019 models to sell in the 2020 year until the MK8 comes out.
People need to be more educated on the fake SUVs and CUVs. They drive worse and are generally less comfortable than a similar sedan or a wagon. I don't get this obsession with SUVs. People are falsly convinced that they are safer for some reason.
@@danielmad We also had the 2014 Matrix, 2016 Venza and 2019 Prius v up here though each was discontinued a year earlier in the States. My hope is that Toyota Canada will turn this 'wagon momentum' into the importation of the Corolla wagon which sells so well in Europe and Japan.
I drove the alltrack while my gti tcr was at the service and I have to say, I was impressed, really comfortable and makes you feel like you could do 1000 km without any problems
I have a 2017 VW Alltrack in red, and i simply love that car. Just as you guys mentioned in your original All-track video, it's like the perfect family hauler. Drive's like a car, and has plenty of room in the back. Brand new, the suspension's a little harsh, but after a few years, it softens just enough so it's stable and comfortable. Think of it as breaking in a new pair of sneakers, that don't turn to mush afterwards. I believe VW is only selling the stockpile of 2019 Alltrack/Sportswagens for 2020 in Canada only, as the Canadian Market just loves this car, as i believe it's already been discontinued in the States.
Great review guys. I got a 2018 Alltrack SEL with a JB1 tune. Changed the whole driving experience with the extra power. Although I “downgraded” from a BMW X6, I absolutely love this car. It’s too bad they’ll be discontinued.
Jonathan Losito Oh, I was just saying that I thought it was impressive for Subaru. Have you seen what their interiors looked like just a few years ago?? 😂
Ok, I've owned my Krautback (Alltrack) for almost 2 years now and I'm seriously considering the Crosstrek (Touring) or Outback (Convienience), in fact I was actually at the Subaru dealership yesterday while my Alltrack was getting its service done at VW. As good as this video was, and it brought up some good comparisons, but it completely ignored the off-road capabilities between the two, which IMHO, is an important thing to consider if you're looking at these two vehicles. If you're looking for more of a daily driver for 2 people, with some very light off-highway on the weekend, then the Alltrack is a good car. But, if you want comfort for a family or really go into the back country, the Outback wins hands down. Subaru's AWD system is far superior to VW's front wheel biased 4Motion Haldex, even on a snowy highway. The extra ground clearance on the Subaru is night and day if you really want to get off the beaten path as is the angle on the front/rear bumpers. The Outback was designed for exactly what it was designed to do, go off the beaten path with lots of gear, and the little features like the roof rails or the step plate in the rear door show that. While the roof rails on the Outback look massive, they're completely functional with retractable cross bars (not sure why no car vlogs ever bring this up) and built in tie down points while the Alltracks are flimsy and unspectacular. The Alltrack on the other hand is nothing more than a slightly lifted Sportwagon and the only two things that make it stand apart (besides the little bit of extra ground clearance) is the plastic cladding and hill descent control, thats it. Honestly, I think VW missed the mark on this one and really should have put a bit more thought into the practicality of the vehicle. The biggest plus for the Alltrack is the available manual transmission, no question about that. The CVT and infotainment system on the Outback are the two downfalls on what would otherwise, be a superior vehicle. The Subaru actually has a resale value, the Alltrack does not. Dollar for dollar, the Outback simply provides you with more value. On a side note, the big hole in the rear valance is indeed for a trailer hitch, the European models actually have a retractable hitch from the manufacturer but here in North America, VW does not advise any towing. Also, if you get the base trims in both vehicles, they're literally within $30 of each other.
pta 340 if you actually care about going off road, and straight out practicality you probably need a discovery or a land cruiser, the golf is Ann infinitely better CAR for car purposes, and the Subaru is better off road, but the new Subaru system is nowhere near the the old one and the actual car is now front biased, and it’s worth noting the VW’s current gen drivetrain is proven to be pretty bullet proof whereas all the current gen of Subaru drivetrain has only really proved to be troublesome (endless gearbox failures and even a good few snapped cranks and coked up pistons. If you actually want an estate to go off road, your best off with a previous gen allroad or a first gen forester
Subaru engines were always longitudinally mounted with large amount of power going to rear wheels ALL THE TIME. These days rear wheels in certain situations could be getting less than 10%.
@@kylebudd5479 "if you actually care about going off road, and straight out practicality you probably need a discovery or a land cruiser" You know that Land Cruiser is almost 3 times more expensive right?
Timay if you care about expenses, it’s not like it would be worth it to lose money on a trade for a car that’s barely any better in off-road situations. If that’s why you want to sell a car, why not get something that’s actually good off-road instead of a piece of crap Subaru with a CVT?
Thomas Martinez My dad drove only manual cars until he bought an automatic 2002 Mercedes. At the time the highest trim C-class he wanted came exclusively with an automatic so there wasn’t really a choice. After owning that car he said he will never buy a manual car and every car that proceeded it was automatic.
@@thomasmartinez5867 You can get a dual-clutch auto in the alltrack if you don't want a manual. Personally I think they're both fun, cvt on the other hand...
Andrew Denisyuk I currently have a Golf TDI with a dual clutch and it’s actually not bad. I thought it was gonna be rough as I’ve never owned one and drove strictly manual or conventional auto but it’s silky smooth. In fact smoother than my BMWs ZF auto, however not as good gear ratios as I wanted.
Best value in an AWD wagon is the Buick Regal Tour X. Discounts of $8,000 to $12,000 are the norm. Ground clearance is not good, though. Otherwise, it rocks! I have a 2018 and love it !
Exactly the same here. Went from a 2nd gen Forester (HATED) to an Impreza (loved the handling after wheel and tire upgrade, HATED the CVT, forced to upgrade stereo and Dynamat interior to make freeway driving tolerable) to an Alltrack with a tune (my favorite car I have owned, even better than my 3.5 Altima SE). I plan to drive my Alltrack until the wheels fall off, or until I can afford an RS3.
Totally enjoyed your video. A few days ago I bought a 2019 VW Golf Alltrack SEL manual use with 14400 miles. This is my third VW just recently getting rid of a 2004 Jetta tdi 5 speed with 265K. I also would agree with the Golf for its good lucks, finesse and amazing glass roof. I find it comfortable to drive
Pulled the trigger on a 2019 VW Alltrack back in Oct. based on your and Autogefühl's reviews. Love my Great Falls Green w/black interior 6 spd. manual! I would have liked to have gotten the Marrakesh brown interior but none were available anywhere near me. Just glad I got one before they are no longer available in the USA, which is a shame, because I absolutely love the car so far.
I love seeing the Outback's infotainment system being ripped by so many people. You guys made some great points on it, and Savagegeese also ripped into it. Unacceptable that an infotainment system with that many problems reached production. Big flip by Subaru. Which is a shame because I do prefer Subaru over VW, but not in this comparison.
its rally hard to understand it in my view, i test-drove a 2020 model and its a nightmare of bright lights everywhere. not to mention, you have three screens to look at. VW has far better UI , in particular the digital screen which unfortunately is not shown here.
Subaru over a VW? VW makes so many awesome cars!! I will never pick a Subaru, it goes bottom. No normal person would pick a Subaru with barely any style, quality to it lol not even their own dedicated AWD. Never crosses my mind. VW is alot better. You better go with the Tiguan Allspace or even Passat Alltrack. USA is not a fun place for cars.
A friend of mine has a Golf Wagon- thing is 12 years old with nearly 200,000 miles but still feels new, the interior is so high quality and really is made to last. Great review as always!
I love Subaru, but they have taken away a lot of the things I loved outbacks for. No more 6 cylinders (which is fine, 4cyl turbos are also very good and get better gas mileage) but then they crossed the line when they put in a CVT, exactly the reason i'm keeping my 07 Outback and unfortunately won't be buying another one when the time comes.
The inside of the vw looks like an early 2000s interior and the outback's shape hasn't changed since 2010, but the facelifts make the outback look so much better
That center stack of the VW reminds me of the 2005 Legacy and 2008 Outback I owned. Not bad but yes it looks dated. As a Subaru owner I am concerned about this newer infotainment center design. Hope they fix it before it's time to move on from our current Subarus.
I've worked for Subaru and VW. VW needs the warranty more. After warranty, the Subaru is a better choice as it is more reliable, and less plastic. The Outback has plastic trim, but Golf has plastic parts that break more often. The cost to own is less with the Subie. Very reliable, safe, capable, and Outback's awd system is way better.
@@keon5779 At first. Later on Chevy picked up the slack with the SS (Holden Commodore) and the Caprice (Holden Caprice/Statesman) in both the US and Canada.
I bought the 2021 outback. After a month of the driver system I placed electrical tape over it to stop from screaming. I disengaged the lane keep crap. Overall though, its a solid car and I've used it heavily for transporting lumber, debris, golf equipment, family and kids!
The outback is a supremely utilitarian wagon and is just high enough to afford a really good vantage point for the driver. I've had a fair bit of seat time in a 2017 model and I was really surprised at how capable the four cylinder power plant is, even with four adult occupants. As a highway cruiser, it is really comfy. As a grocery getter and errands runner, it is functional. I abhor the reliance on a tablet screen to operate the climate controls, but I find that I leave that stuff as-is most of the time and then control volume or cruise via the steering wheel buttons. As I currently shop around for vehicles (the '17 Outback was a car owned by another family member), the push-button opened hatch on the Outback really sticks in my mind as a useful feature. I'm physically able to open any hatch, but I really appreciated being able to push a button and move on with other stuff. The portrayed USD price point of ~$31k is about at the Outback Limited (non XT) street pricing here in the USA. The car spec in the video looks more like the US "Touring" model and that costs several thousand more... prolly $35 - 37k US. The VW looks useful and the cargo space compared to the Outback is surprisingly big. I love a MT, so I wouldn't discount the All-Track as an option.
The alltrac is for sure the nicer to drive, and spec'd. But if expecting years of life w/o German car repairs I'd have to go subaru. Plus that awd system is one of the best examples. Outback also has the bigger trunk. Perfect for pups
That infotainment on the Outback does indeed look like a nightmare to operate while driving. Glad my 2018 Kia Rio infotainment is so intuitive and easy to use that I don't even need to look at the screen to know what I'm doing.
Yea! Golf wins!!! If they would just start mass producing and distributing the Golf R Estate Wagon to Canada and N America (in that gorgeous blue) then and only then would our fair continent have the ultimate vehicle of practicality and fun. Thank you very much.
The Outback and Forester are staple where i live,north Sweden.. .the ski tourists drive more expensive like Tiguan r, Volvo suv , BMW etc. Subaru and Toyota are the hillbilly's dream car around here. Good vidja!!!
Box Test 4:30 Civic Type R Humpback 11 boxes is so practical, if you get an extended Jetta you get 12, only one more box, or extended lifted Legacy gets you only 13. Winning strategy: take two trips in the CTR and carry 22 boxes !
Thanks for this review! I tried both cars, and I couldn't agree more with your conclusions. In fact, it convinced me to either wait or find something else. The Alltrack is more fun to drive, but with the Mk8 launched in Europe, the few 2019 units for sale in Canada feel overpriced. The Outback is a great car, but I don't like the omnipresence of the infotainment. In the Alltrack, every switch and screen element felt right. In the Outback, it's like sticking with something you didn't want. I think I prefer the updated Crosstrek, which feels more honest and is less expensive. Thanks again!
Thats why we got the Base model Outback. Hands down the BEST bang for the buck. More reliable smaller infotainment, no eye tracking garbage, and a manual tailgate make it perfect :)
If I was in the market for either, with the intent being a competent all season wagon, as one should be in most of Canada or in snowy regions of the US, the only real choice is the Subaru. Its AWD system is the best, hands down. There is a reason why Subaru's outsell all other AWD vehicle in Washington state, Colorado, and the New England regions. Honda's AWD system is mostly a FWD system that can send some torque to the rear wheels, but its not 50/50, it doesnt have true torque split from left to right and it just doesnt work near as well as the Subaru system does.
I've always considered the Outback to be a wagon-shaped SUV and the Alltrack to be a tall wagon so some parts of the test aren't quite comparable in my opinion. However, these two vehicles do get shopped together a lot so overall a good comparison.
+1. .. We're in our USA 2020 Subaru Outback Touring XT (top tier model) for 10 weeks and 2 road trips ranging at 3,000mi each. .. The Subi CVT only gearbox is a bit funky at best,,, where's an 8sp ZF?. .. The Subi LED headlights are a pleasure. .. Added a 4 set of Conti hi-performance snows on day one ready for the winter ATL to Vail, CO to ATL road trips. .. The Conti HP winter radials make a big difference. .. In the US, the VW ALLTrack is disco' ed.
The alltrack is my upgrade for mom life from my mk6 GTI. I do obviously miss steering my GTI but at least the alltrack is still a little fun 😆 I also prefer a simple info center and air control so that's actually a plus to me on the VW. Visibility is the alltrack is great! Haven't driven an outback to compare but I'm very happy with my alltrack ❤
The USA Audi A4 Allroad, base model is about $10K grand higher in its price - verse's a fully accessory /optioned up, top tier USA Subi Outback Touring XT. .. We ordered the Subi Touring XT (260HP Turbo'ed)... If only Subi Corp ditched the crumby CVT for a ZF or a DSG style gearbox and gave the central large screen the MENSA treatment,,, we'd be in business.
I have a diesel, 2 wheel drive, Golf (badged as a Jetta) wagon with a DSG. It’s great. It’s very economical and it has tons of torque. The panoramic sunroof creaks a lot when cornering or doing anything else that causes the body to flex. I’d probably go for the hardtop if given the choice but I bought mine secondhand.
Great review as always , love the alltrack . I understand the comparison between them (lifted wagon) , but they are not even in the same class . Outback is in the 'midsize' field while the golf is in the compact segment. it's like comparing the jetta VS the legacy ... hence the size difference . I think that should have been pointed out a little more.
Yep. The golf is now dead in America other than performance models so my mom got one of the last 2019 models with a manual and I guess we are keeping it for as long as possible now since there is nothing left like it with a manual.
Your last alltrack review was a major reason I bought a 2018 alltrack. I love it. It has enough pick up to be fun and merge onto the non-existent on ramps, and has been great off road and in the snow so far. Plus it doubles as my camping wagon. wish I got the manual but the nearest one i could find was over 1500 miles away lol
So I watched your assessment, went and drove both, came home with an Outback Limited XT. There was no comparison, the Outback was better in many ways. The “keep your eyes on the road” is a thing. Cup holders need updating , too wide. Infotainment is actually easy to use once I got going. Keep up the great reviews. MarkaSota
Great job guys, we have a 2020, because our 2016 was flawless. Totally impressed how they made so many improvements in four years yet kept it familiar to us. The improvement in electronics were not difficult for a couple in their seventies to adjust to and enjoy including the driver monitor system which could be switched off and we never have. Of course our reaction times are.075 second slower than yours so a little electronic assistance goes a long way in the safety department, another reason we are Subaru owners. Yes I subscribed you guys rock.
Alltrack "Joe Cool" feature of the day: Car off, windows down...how to close without restarting? Stand outside the car, touch the door sensor for 5 seconds, car locks and closes the windows (until you take finger off sensor).
I know that the Outback may be based on the Legacy but it is no wagon in my book. It’s taller, wider, and heavier, than compact SUVs (e.g. RAV4) and bears no more exterior resemblance to the Legacy than any other Subaru does.
I miss the big old wagons. Love, love, LOVED my old 87 Crown Vic wagon! Nothing like 'em cruisin' on the highway. Still got over 30mpg highway with the 5.0L V8!
The interior of the Golf looks very similar to my mk6 Golf TDI that came out years ago. But it’s not necessarily a bad thing as VW has one of the best interior build quality, and I prefer the simplicity. One of the main reasons why I chose it over Toyota when I was shopping for a daily runabout. Even my BMW 335i has more cheap plastics. It has clocked 165,000 miles and it doesn’t rattle at all.
SUGGESTION: when you guys list Torque and BHP, could you also show curb weight at the same time and show power-to-weight ratio (HP/curb weight). The higher the number the better performance. Thx
It's interesting that the majority of comments skew heavily towards the Alltrack when No One in New England buys the Alltrack. VW bought back 2019 Alltracks because of "retooling" or because no one buys them. So please buy the Alltrack.
100% agree in preference. I’ve owned both and the Vw is a much better on so many levels. BTW J, it wasn’t just your butt that was fatigued in those seats, my wife and I had the same complaint with both front seats in the Outback.
The VW is better looking and probably more fun to drive, but the outback is more practical as a cool family wagon. My family has a 2014 VW Jetta sport wagon TDI that we are going to trade for a 2016 outback limited. The sport wagon is cool but small for a family of 4 and a just over 6 foot dad. I do think the 2016 outback limited looks better than the outback tested on this video. The 2016 looks more refined and more Volvo-ish.
Outback or Alltrack? Wagon's or SUV's? Subscribe for that Formula 1 car review that probably won't happen but maybe
I would rather go Volkswagen with this one especially because it’s in manual!
You can throw the GTI IS20 turbo into the Alltrack, so that has to win
Alltrack all day. I drove my 2017 SEL stock for 18 months before getting it tuned. Just this week I upgraded to the IS20 and added a carbon fiber cold air intake. With the extra power and the tuned DSG, this wagon hauls ass and also hauls all my stuff.
Wagons. That's why I'm upset that the Germans don't bring high performance wagons to North America other than the E63 and the RS6 Avant.
Outback for me. It can actually do some sort of off roading, the golf cannot.
The Alltrack can bolt on an IS38 (R/S3 turbo), downpipe, and intercooler and be reliably tuned to 350+ HP. While both have a manual option, the DSG is also an incredible auto transmission and far superior to any CVT.
I'd appreciate an extra 5 centimeters 😔
😂😂😂
JeppeRito wouldn't we all 😬
I found that bananas work wonders when you’re doing anal. It’s pretty hard to hide a banana during missionary though.
@@kevinnorris6558 lmao you wild
Hahah, great comment and I agree 😬
Testing the ground clearance with a chunk of snow had my Canadian juices flowing 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
Alex McDougall people just want to be able to drive over the snow on their driveways
@@YuriTereshyn has Jakub shovelled since he got his Raptor?
Alex, what is Maple Syrup?
🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦☃️
I think Wisconsin juices taste similar to Canadian juices. Probably more like beer though.
I bought a 2019 Alltrack SEL w/ a Stick. Best car I ever owned.
Likewise!
Me too! Awesome car
Thanks for the video. We were crossing the same cars for my wife. She drove the outback like 100 feet and refused to give up manual transmission. And she hated the SUV like drive of the outback compared to the golf. We found the last green manual alltrack with all the options within 300 miles and are making the 8 hour round trip to pick it up in a couple days.
The ground clearance test quantified the numbers perfectly. You guys are great at making things really understandable.
Subaru, I have a 2010 and since 2020 only one maintenance issue with crankshaft gasket after 180,000 miles. Other than that still same factory battery and everything else from spark plugs to water pumps. 10 years 1 issue, they got me for life.
Your ground clearance test is actually genius. 👏🏼
Boys, Our southern neighours might be interested to learn that wagons and manuals never really went out of style in Canada . We just can't get too many these days due to our common North American auto market. #SaveTheManualWagon
Well here in central Europe they are the rage. Apart from some showoffs but then again they are everywhere..
yup, we love our wagons up here in Canada. Which is why VW Canada stock piled a whole bunch of 2019 models to sell in the 2020 year until the MK8 comes out.
People need to be more educated on the fake SUVs and CUVs. They drive worse and are generally less comfortable than a similar sedan or a wagon. I don't get this obsession with SUVs. People are falsly convinced that they are safer for some reason.
@@danielmad We also had the 2014 Matrix, 2016 Venza and 2019 Prius v up here though each was discontinued a year earlier in the States. My hope is that Toyota Canada will turn this 'wagon momentum' into the importation of the Corolla wagon which sells so well in Europe and Japan.
and one of the only cheap manual awds
I drove the alltrack while my gti tcr was at the service and I have to say, I was impressed, really comfortable and makes you feel like you could do 1000 km without any problems
I have a 2017 VW Alltrack in red, and i simply love that car. Just as you guys mentioned in your original All-track video, it's like the perfect family hauler. Drive's like a car, and has plenty of room in the back. Brand new, the suspension's a little harsh, but after a few years, it softens just enough so it's stable and comfortable. Think of it as breaking in a new pair of sneakers, that don't turn to mush afterwards.
I believe VW is only selling the stockpile of 2019 Alltrack/Sportswagens for 2020 in Canada only, as the Canadian Market just loves this car, as i believe it's already been discontinued in the States.
Great review guys. I got a 2018 Alltrack SEL with a JB1 tune. Changed the whole driving experience with the extra power. Although I “downgraded” from a BMW X6, I absolutely love this car. It’s too bad they’ll be discontinued.
The Subaru interior is impressive. There’ve come a long way in a short amount of time
Uh?
Jonathan Losito Oh, I was just saying that I thought it was impressive for Subaru. Have you seen what their interiors looked like just a few years ago?? 😂
Jonathan Losito You can option different colors, you know that, right? Also, we’re talking about the interior. Why’d you slip off to the transmission?
Subaru went mainstream. They lost their uniqueness for being a quirky car brand.
Ok, I've owned my Krautback (Alltrack) for almost 2 years now and I'm seriously considering the Crosstrek (Touring) or Outback (Convienience), in fact I was actually at the Subaru dealership yesterday while my Alltrack was getting its service done at VW. As good as this video was, and it brought up some good comparisons, but it completely ignored the off-road capabilities between the two, which IMHO, is an important thing to consider if you're looking at these two vehicles.
If you're looking for more of a daily driver for 2 people, with some very light off-highway on the weekend, then the Alltrack is a good car. But, if you want comfort for a family or really go into the back country, the Outback wins hands down. Subaru's AWD system is far superior to VW's front wheel biased 4Motion Haldex, even on a snowy highway. The extra ground clearance on the Subaru is night and day if you really want to get off the beaten path as is the angle on the front/rear bumpers.
The Outback was designed for exactly what it was designed to do, go off the beaten path with lots of gear, and the little features like the roof rails or the step plate in the rear door show that. While the roof rails on the Outback look massive, they're completely functional with retractable cross bars (not sure why no car vlogs ever bring this up) and built in tie down points while the Alltracks are flimsy and unspectacular.
The Alltrack on the other hand is nothing more than a slightly lifted Sportwagon and the only two things that make it stand apart (besides the little bit of extra ground clearance) is the plastic cladding and hill descent control, thats it. Honestly, I think VW missed the mark on this one and really should have put a bit more thought into the practicality of the vehicle.
The biggest plus for the Alltrack is the available manual transmission, no question about that.
The CVT and infotainment system on the Outback are the two downfalls on what would otherwise, be a superior vehicle.
The Subaru actually has a resale value, the Alltrack does not.
Dollar for dollar, the Outback simply provides you with more value.
On a side note, the big hole in the rear valance is indeed for a trailer hitch, the European models actually have a retractable hitch from the manufacturer but here in North America, VW does not advise any towing.
Also, if you get the base trims in both vehicles, they're literally within $30 of each other.
pta 340 if you actually care about going off road, and straight out practicality you probably need a discovery or a land cruiser, the golf is Ann infinitely better CAR for car purposes, and the Subaru is better off road, but the new Subaru system is nowhere near the the old one and the actual car is now front biased, and it’s worth noting the VW’s current gen drivetrain is proven to be pretty bullet proof whereas all the current gen of Subaru drivetrain has only really proved to be troublesome (endless gearbox failures and even a good few snapped cranks and coked up pistons. If you actually want an estate to go off road, your best off with a previous gen allroad or a first gen forester
@@kylebudd5479 The car is NOW front biased? Every modern Subaru has been a transversely mounted FWD car with a rear diff for AWD.
Subaru engines were always longitudinally mounted with large amount of power going to rear wheels ALL THE TIME. These days rear wheels in certain situations could be getting less than 10%.
@@kylebudd5479 "if you actually care about going off road, and straight out practicality you probably need a discovery or a land cruiser" You know that Land Cruiser is almost 3 times more expensive right?
Timay if you care about expenses, it’s not like it would be worth it to lose money on a trade for a car that’s barely any better in off-road situations. If that’s why you want to sell a car, why not get something that’s actually good off-road instead of a piece of crap Subaru with a CVT?
I appreciated the cool camera moves during the box test. Good work boys!
All track, 6 speed manual, swap in a golf r turbo and a tune. Fun dad car
Oh really? When I showed my Dad this car, he said when you’re older your going to appreciate an automatic transmission.
Thomas Martinez My dad drove only manual cars until he bought an automatic 2002 Mercedes. At the time the highest trim C-class he wanted came exclusively with an automatic so there wasn’t really a choice. After owning that car he said he will never buy a manual car and every car that proceeded it was automatic.
@@thomasmartinez5867
You can get a dual-clutch auto in the alltrack if you don't want a manual.
Personally I think they're both fun, cvt on the other hand...
@@matte8441 I honestly get manual drivers in small European back roads and cities but when you're in traffic Automatic is just the best
Andrew Denisyuk I currently have a Golf TDI with a dual clutch and it’s actually not bad. I thought it was gonna be rough as I’ve never owned one and drove strictly manual or conventional auto but it’s silky smooth. In fact smoother than my BMWs ZF auto, however not as good gear ratios as I wanted.
**K E E P E Y E S O N R O A D**
Best Feature EVER
D T it’s a terrible feature. My wife’s 2020 X3 has that feature, and it’s the most annoying thing ever. My 2016 X5 doesn’t have it, and I love it.
@@mattX5 my 2003 wrangler doesn't have it, and i love it.
@@salami99 lol that too. Mine has the rest of the active safety tech, just not the eye monitor that constantly beeps at you lol
Or get the Outback XT for 270hp.
Tha Privateer that doesn’t exist in just about every market and is a different price range by a long ways
Tune the Alltrack for 250hp
Nah I owned one they are terrible, the flat-6 is a lot better.
Or forester sti
Or get a real car
YESSSS! #SAVETHEWAGONS this made my day and weekend!
Yes! More wagons! The best kind of car (regular) money can buy!
You should import one from Europe. We have all kinds of wagons over here.
I say replace the wagons with crossovers and SUVs.
@@redwhite_040 It's very difficult to import vehicles to the US due to the emissions and safety regulations
Also #SAVETHEMANUALWAGONS in the case of the Golf!
The better and more appropriate comparison would be Golf Alltrack vs Subaru Crosstrek.
Best value in an AWD wagon is the Buick Regal Tour X. Discounts of $8,000 to $12,000 are the norm. Ground clearance is not good, though. Otherwise, it rocks! I have a 2018 and love it !
I've owned both. Subaru was so-so, nothing to write home about but I just loved my Alltrack, so much fun and refinement!
Exactly the same here. Went from a 2nd gen Forester (HATED) to an Impreza (loved the handling after wheel and tire upgrade, HATED the CVT, forced to upgrade stereo and Dynamat interior to make freeway driving tolerable) to an Alltrack with a tune (my favorite car I have owned, even better than my 3.5 Altima SE). I plan to drive my Alltrack until the wheels fall off, or until I can afford an RS3.
@@aluminumfalcon552 I'm still driving my Alltrack, not a single issue for 102k miles and counting. I'm also dreaming about an RS3 😄
@@alexandermikhailov2481 I have a short commute, I’m only at 42k miles on my 2017. Glad to hear yours is holding up well.
Totally enjoyed your video. A few days ago I bought a 2019 VW Golf Alltrack SEL manual use with 14400 miles. This is my third VW just recently getting rid of a 2004 Jetta tdi 5 speed with 265K. I also would agree with the Golf for its good lucks, finesse and amazing glass roof. I find it comfortable to drive
Pulled the trigger on a 2019 VW Alltrack back in Oct. based on your and Autogefühl's reviews. Love my Great Falls Green w/black interior 6 spd. manual! I would have liked to have gotten the Marrakesh brown interior but none were available anywhere near me. Just glad I got one before they are no longer available in the USA, which is a shame, because I absolutely love the car so far.
Their original Alltrack video is what hooked me on these guys. They’ve come a long way.
Alltrack all the way every day.
I love seeing the Outback's infotainment system being ripped by so many people. You guys made some great points on it, and Savagegeese also ripped into it. Unacceptable that an infotainment system with that many problems reached production. Big flip by Subaru. Which is a shame because I do prefer Subaru over VW, but not in this comparison.
its rally hard to understand it in my view, i test-drove a 2020 model and its a nightmare of bright lights everywhere. not to mention, you have three screens to look at. VW has far better UI , in particular the digital screen which unfortunately is not shown here.
Subaru over a VW? VW makes so many awesome cars!! I will never pick a Subaru, it goes bottom. No normal person would pick a Subaru with barely any style, quality to it lol not even their own dedicated AWD. Never crosses my mind. VW is alot better. You better go with the Tiguan Allspace or even Passat Alltrack. USA is not a fun place for cars.
Ride comfort mpg, reliability, towing capacity, versatility (ground clearance, roof rails, off road capability) maintenance cost, etc....make the Outback a better choice IMO.
1) Safety - Subaru
2) Retained value - Subaru
3) company that doesn't lie about it's pollurion - Subaru
4) Keep the car 10+ years - Subaru
Not everyone keeps a car for 10 years. Life’s too short to drive boring cars forever.
2017 Alltrack SEL...best car I've ever owned
2019 same (6 spd)) SE
A friend of mine has a Golf Wagon- thing is 12 years old with nearly 200,000 miles but still feels new, the interior is so high quality and really is made to last. Great review as always!
I love Subaru, but they have taken away a lot of the things I loved outbacks for. No more 6 cylinders (which is fine, 4cyl turbos are also very good and get better gas mileage) but then they crossed the line when they put in a CVT, exactly the reason i'm keeping my 07 Outback and unfortunately won't be buying another one when the time comes.
Fun fact: the Outback is only .7 inches (1.8 cm) longer than the Legacy. So not much stretching going on
I have a GSW 4 Motion stage 1 ECU\DSG and this car is amazing to drive on a daily basis. Fun to drive every time in all conditions.
Thank you thank you thank you for doing this. Wagons are so damn underrated.
Alltrack with a GTI turbo. Turns the car into a 300hp sleeper.
that exists but only in Europe
@@stefkovBG Basically you just need an IS20 turbo, a downpipe + ECU flash. Done for less than 2500$ CAD on mine ;)
@@t1mlocas Less than that if you swap the turbo yourself.
@@deanmarr785 true ! I paid 400$ in time for the DP/turbo insallation !
Had a GTI before, the lack of power in my alltrack is my only regret. I will Unitronic stage it at some point closer to the end pf the warranty
The outside of the Subaru looks 10 years old, but the interior of the VW looks 10 years old🤔
The inside of the vw looks like an early 2000s interior and the outback's shape hasn't changed since 2010, but the facelifts make the outback look so much better
@@railfanatic1416 agreed!
Depends on the person. I love the VW interior due to the minimalist, subtle look.
In 10 years or less the outback will look dated but the golf will still look current. 🤷🏻♂️
That center stack of the VW reminds me of the 2005 Legacy and 2008 Outback I owned. Not bad but yes it looks dated. As a Subaru owner I am concerned about this newer infotainment center design. Hope they fix it before it's time to move on from our current Subarus.
Dude,the interior of that Outback is a total game changer!
Ugh, you guys need have done a turbo version of the outback.
Boris Zilberman they don’t come with a turbo
Kyle Budd in Canada you mean? In the states they do. The XT
The XT is also available in Canada
I'm sure that'll make it better...nope
@turbobenx yeah, just been on autotrader, I'm right
I drive a Golf Alltrack and I don't regret it one bit. A very good car, esp during our winters here. The outback is 5000 - 10,000 more expensive too
the bashing of the Subaru Canada advertisement felt GOOD! Car manufacturers shouldn't get away with distracting infotainments
I've worked for Subaru and VW. VW needs the warranty more. After warranty, the Subaru is a better choice as it is more reliable, and less plastic. The Outback has plastic trim, but Golf has plastic parts that break more often. The cost to own is less with the Subie. Very reliable, safe, capable, and Outback's awd system is way better.
lol but the CVT sucks so it really affects the awd
We need to get you guys in a Holden since they just fully died
You mean Chevrolet because that's what it essentially is and they have it all over America
@@geoffreyyip6179 In Canada they were sold as Pontiacs like the G8.
@@keon5779 At first. Later on Chevy picked up the slack with the SS (Holden Commodore) and the Caprice (Holden Caprice/Statesman) in both the US and Canada.
@@JakeRoot We never got the Chevy SS or the Caprice (only sold as a police car) in Canada.
Holden Ute please
I bought the 2021 outback. After a month of the driver system I placed electrical tape over it to stop from screaming. I disengaged the lane keep crap. Overall though, its a solid car and I've used it heavily for transporting lumber, debris, golf equipment, family and kids!
The outback is a supremely utilitarian wagon and is just high enough to afford a really good vantage point for the driver. I've had a fair bit of seat time in a 2017 model and I was really surprised at how capable the four cylinder power plant is, even with four adult occupants. As a highway cruiser, it is really comfy. As a grocery getter and errands runner, it is functional. I abhor the reliance on a tablet screen to operate the climate controls, but I find that I leave that stuff as-is most of the time and then control volume or cruise via the steering wheel buttons. As I currently shop around for vehicles (the '17 Outback was a car owned by another family member), the push-button opened hatch on the Outback really sticks in my mind as a useful feature. I'm physically able to open any hatch, but I really appreciated being able to push a button and move on with other stuff. The portrayed USD price point of ~$31k is about at the Outback Limited (non XT) street pricing here in the USA. The car spec in the video looks more like the US "Touring" model and that costs several thousand more... prolly $35 - 37k US.
The VW looks useful and the cargo space compared to the Outback is surprisingly big. I love a MT, so I wouldn't discount the All-Track as an option.
The alltrac is for sure the nicer to drive, and spec'd. But if expecting years of life w/o German car repairs I'd have to go subaru. Plus that awd system is one of the best examples. Outback also has the bigger trunk. Perfect for pups
That infotainment on the Outback does indeed look like a nightmare to operate while driving.
Glad my 2018 Kia Rio infotainment is so intuitive and easy to use that I don't even need to look at the screen to know what I'm doing.
Would love to find an All-Track with a manual, but they are the proverbial unicorn of cars.
Colorado’s state vehicle, the Subaru Outback! 🤦🏻♂️
Video as always is great, but the car classes are different. I can be wrong, however: the Outback vs Passat Alltrack, Golf Alltrack vs Impreza...
Yea! Golf wins!!!
If they would just start mass producing and distributing the Golf R Estate Wagon to Canada and N America (in that gorgeous blue) then and only then would our fair continent have the ultimate vehicle of practicality and fun.
Thank you very much.
The Outback and Forester are staple where i live,north Sweden.. .the ski tourists drive more expensive like Tiguan r, Volvo suv , BMW etc. Subaru and Toyota are the hillbilly's dream car around here. Good vidja!!!
Dead to me if you guys don't say Alltrack haha. Only because I bought a used '18 because of your first review
😂👍🏻
They are discontinuing the Alltrack in America :(
I too bought an Alltrack based on their original review. No regerts!
Their review was the tipping point that made me decide to finally pull the trigger on buying my 2017, too.
Haha... me too!
Box Test 4:30 Civic Type R Humpback 11 boxes is so practical, if you get an extended Jetta you get 12, only one more box, or extended lifted Legacy gets you only 13. Winning strategy: take two trips in the CTR and carry 22 boxes !
The new 2020 Outback looks pretty beastly.After watching the entire video it seems the best option is just to get a Forester.
Just sold my vw sportwagen and bought an outback. Total upgrade - nuff said
Thanks for this review! I tried both cars, and I couldn't agree more with your conclusions. In fact, it convinced me to either wait or find something else. The Alltrack is more fun to drive, but with the Mk8 launched in Europe, the few 2019 units for sale in Canada feel overpriced. The Outback is a great car, but I don't like the omnipresence of the infotainment. In the Alltrack, every switch and screen element felt right. In the Outback, it's like sticking with something you didn't want. I think I prefer the updated Crosstrek, which feels more honest and is less expensive. Thanks again!
Thats why we got the Base model Outback. Hands down the BEST bang for the buck. More reliable smaller infotainment, no eye tracking garbage, and a manual tailgate make it perfect :)
If I was in the market for either, with the intent being a competent all season wagon, as one should be in most of Canada or in snowy regions of the US, the only real choice is the Subaru. Its AWD system is the best, hands down. There is a reason why Subaru's outsell all other AWD vehicle in Washington state, Colorado, and the New England regions. Honda's AWD system is mostly a FWD system that can send some torque to the rear wheels, but its not 50/50, it doesnt have true torque split from left to right and it just doesnt work near as well as the Subaru system does.
No mention of the fact the Outback has a 260HP XT model. Which is wayyyy faster than Alltrack.
I've always considered the Outback to be a wagon-shaped SUV and the Alltrack to be a tall wagon so some parts of the test aren't quite comparable in my opinion. However, these two vehicles do get shopped together a lot so overall a good comparison.
+1. .. We're in our USA 2020 Subaru Outback Touring XT (top tier model) for 10 weeks and 2 road trips ranging at 3,000mi each. .. The Subi CVT only gearbox is a bit funky at best,,, where's an 8sp ZF?. .. The Subi LED headlights are a pleasure. .. Added a 4 set of Conti hi-performance snows on day one ready for the winter ATL to Vail, CO to ATL road trips. .. The Conti HP winter radials make a big difference. .. In the US, the VW ALLTrack is disco' ed.
yaass....more wagons please.
The alltrack is my upgrade for mom life from my mk6 GTI. I do obviously miss steering my GTI but at least the alltrack is still a little fun 😆
I also prefer a simple info center and air control so that's actually a plus to me on the VW.
Visibility is the alltrack is great! Haven't driven an outback to compare but I'm very happy with my alltrack ❤
I'd love to see the a4/a6 all road variants too!
Dont know if they have it in north america
@@lascosuzy1 we have the A4 allroad.
@@ElyciusM oh ok
The USA Audi A4 Allroad, base model is about $10K grand higher in its price - verse's a fully accessory /optioned up, top tier USA Subi Outback Touring XT. .. We ordered the Subi Touring XT (260HP Turbo'ed)... If only Subi Corp ditched the crumby CVT for a ZF or a DSG style gearbox and gave the central large screen the MENSA treatment,,, we'd be in business.
@Elycius also we just got the a6 allroad in us
I have a diesel, 2 wheel drive, Golf (badged as a Jetta) wagon with a DSG. It’s great. It’s very economical and it has tons of torque. The panoramic sunroof creaks a lot when cornering or doing anything else that causes the body to flex. I’d probably go for the hardtop if given the choice but I bought mine secondhand.
Great review as always , love the alltrack . I understand the comparison between them (lifted wagon) , but they are not even in the same class . Outback is in the 'midsize' field while the golf is in the compact segment. it's like comparing the jetta VS the legacy ... hence the size difference . I think that should have been pointed out a little more.
Owner of an VW Passat Alltrack here. Love it. But I had good experiences with Honda, Subaru and Peugeot too.
Outback XT would blow the doors off of the Golf.
@Jonathan Losito Not a fan of Volvo's reliability and awd system.
Alltrack for the reasons you mentioned: engine & transmission choices. Have a 2019.
The CVT in Outback kills it for me. (Wife currently has 2017 Alltrack)
Subaru cvt's are great.
@@giladtselniker8420 They're a perfectly fine CVT if you don't mind CVT. But like Jakub, deal breaker for me.
Yep. The golf is now dead in America other than performance models so my mom got one of the last 2019 models with a manual and I guess we are keeping it for as long as possible now since there is nothing left like it with a manual.
I actually prefer Subaru's CVT over any robotic crap. This thing is incredible in heavy traffic, and basically the same as DGS on the highway.
Las the Subaru CVT fails after 100000 miles. Just Google on it
When you review vehicles like these you should mention cost to own, like mileage and what type of gas.
I was close to buying an older Alltrack, but went Outback instead for longevity and the freaking amount of space in that trunk!
We made this video for you
@@TheStraightPipes 😍🥰😍🥰😍
Will definitely pick the Alltrack with stick shift over any vehicle with CVT.
That’s my dad driving his work van, it’s a small world 15:49
That's so cool
Railfanatic I honestly have no idea if this is sarcasm
@@christianyousef7615 no, sry about that
Railfanatic Thats so cool
@@christianyousef7615 I agree
Your last alltrack review was a major reason I bought a 2018 alltrack. I love it. It has enough pick up to be fun and merge onto the non-existent on ramps, and has been great off road and in the snow so far. Plus it doubles as my camping wagon. wish I got the manual but the nearest one i could find was over 1500 miles away lol
Ethan Crisp Janesville Wisconsin dealer has 3 manual Alltracks in stock right now
So I watched your assessment, went and drove both, came home with an Outback Limited XT. There was no comparison, the Outback was better in many ways. The “keep your eyes on the road” is a thing. Cup holders need updating , too wide. Infotainment is actually easy to use once I got going. Keep up the great reviews. MarkaSota
Also the Alltrack is about to drop a new version, VW dealer had a handful left. So we will see when the all new Alltrack drops here soon
Great job guys, we have a 2020, because our 2016 was flawless. Totally impressed how they made so many improvements in four years yet kept it familiar to us. The improvement in electronics were not difficult for a couple in their seventies to adjust to and enjoy including the driver monitor system which could be switched off and we never have. Of course our reaction times are.075 second slower than yours so a little electronic assistance goes a long way in the safety department, another reason we are Subaru owners. Yes I subscribed you guys rock.
I never thought in my life “I think the outback is a sexy car.” I like it every time I see a new one on the road. Growing up is weird.
The new outback looks ok
So refreshing to see a wagon review by TheStraightPipes
all track with a stage 1 tune is all u need
Yuuup. That's what I did to mine.
Does it invalidate the warranty?
@@Buffy2222 depends
Just bought a 2017 sportwagen comfortline 4motion with the dsg and I love it, i like it more than my grandparents 2017 outback
Alltrack all day. Much more tuneable. Would love you guys to review the A4 and A6 Allroads.
Alltrack "Joe Cool" feature of the day: Car off, windows down...how to close without restarting? Stand outside the car, touch the door sensor for 5 seconds, car locks and closes the windows (until you take finger off sensor).
I know that the Outback may be based on the Legacy but it is no wagon in my book. It’s taller, wider, and heavier, than compact SUVs (e.g. RAV4) and bears no more exterior resemblance to the Legacy than any other Subaru does.
I miss the big old wagons. Love, love, LOVED my old 87 Crown Vic wagon! Nothing like 'em cruisin' on the highway. Still got over 30mpg highway with the 5.0L V8!
Now I want an Alltrack... Manual, AWD & a Wagon... everything I want
The interior of the Golf looks very similar to my mk6 Golf TDI that came out years ago. But it’s not necessarily a bad thing as VW has one of the best interior build quality, and I prefer the simplicity. One of the main reasons why I chose it over Toyota when I was shopping for a daily runabout. Even my BMW 335i has more cheap plastics. It has clocked 165,000 miles and it doesn’t rattle at all.
You guys should’ve reviewed the Onyx XT model of the Outback!
That would be different price range..
Yuri's editing skills are spot on. Haven't lol'd on a youtube video in a while.Thank you!
SUGGESTION: when you guys list Torque and BHP, could you also show curb weight at the same time and show power-to-weight ratio (HP/curb weight). The higher the number the better performance. Thx
It's interesting that the majority of comments skew heavily towards the Alltrack when No One in New England buys the Alltrack.
VW bought back 2019 Alltracks because of "retooling" or because no one buys them.
So please buy the Alltrack.
The Subaru content I've been craving!! ♥️
100% agree in preference. I’ve owned both and the Vw is a much better on so many levels. BTW J, it wasn’t just your butt that was fatigued in those seats, my wife and I had the same complaint with both front seats in the Outback.
I love wagons, I wish Americans would buy more wagons instead of SUV
Jonathan Losito what
Arent any good wagon choices in the US :(
@@baronvonjo1929 because people aren’t buying
The VW is better looking and probably more fun to drive, but the outback is more practical as a cool family wagon. My family has a 2014 VW Jetta sport wagon TDI that we are going to trade for a 2016 outback limited. The sport wagon is cool but small for a family of 4 and a just over 6 foot dad. I do think the 2016 outback limited looks better than the outback tested on this video. The 2016 looks more refined and more Volvo-ish.
I love my 2013 Outback! I really want to get a new one!
They're worth it! I just got a new 2021 XT Outback and it's amazing. I Love it. You won't regret it.
You can't ignore the transmission part when the Subaru is a CVT. It loses for that alone.
I will never understand why nobody ever mentions that the roof racks can fold across on the Subaru Outback. That should be a major selling point.
@7:24 new Alltrack owner here, and ya I think you nailed that! Love the sporty handling of this thing!