Dammit, for some reason I refer to my HD 2600 XT as a 1900 XT. OpenCore 0.6 was released on Jan 23, 2023, with Mac Pros 3,1-5,1 now officially supported and old wifi chipsets
Watching this on my almost as old 4,1 flashed to 5,1, running Monterey (via OCLP). Dual X5680's CPUs,96GB Ram, 1TB NVME boot drive, 14TB worth of Hard Drives for storage, Sonnet USB 3.1 Card, AMD RX5600XT video card. I used your guide to get it here and it runs surprisingly great. WiFi doesn't work, but I have ethernet ran upstairs, so I didn't bother upgrading the wifi adapter Thank you for all of your hard work compiling your upgrade guides!
Cool thanks! I upgraded my 5,1 quite a bit a couple years ago but decided to refresh it to Monterey and was looking for a brain dead way of doing it. Following your lead helps quite a bit!
Hey, glad to see you haven’t abandoned that 2008 cMP. I have a 2008 3,1 and a 2009 4,1 flashed to 5,1. Both of them are still running good, but I haven’t bothered to upgrade to Monterey on either. I may give the 3,1 a try following your video. I have a GTX 650 ti in the 3,1 and I think it’s supported as a Metal card.
Love your channel. And thanks so much for checking me out here as well and commenting on my vid. And also OCLP 0.5.4 nightly is out with Ventura support for CMP’s. And the assets thing; that’s normal. I had this too.
Great Stuff i am just in the process to upgrade my late 2013 iMac to Monterey with 16GB RAM so it should run fine. My first Computer was an iMAC G3 (Those Colourful Apple "Eggs" and used it from 1998 until 2006. At 98 all my friends had Pentium II Computers but i knew at that time that Apple will be big some day. I also got my first PC in 2001 so i always learned on both systems. Hands down Apple has been not surpassed in reliability so far.
My parents always had a Mac, and even had the Bondi Blue 1998 iMac Rev B. The iMac wasn’t the computer I wanted (I ended up with a powermac g3 450) but I also was rather taken with the design.
Hi greg. I just watched some of your great vids again. as i have 3.1 project coming up. again. I must have watched and read your Mac pro guide dozens of times. Great resource.! I¨m still in the middle of my mac pro 1.1 and 5.1 projects, but needed some easy distraction. SO to my surprise, you mention EXACLY the same download assets spinning wheel bug on the githuib page, just as i experienced on my Hackintosh NUC8 running catalina. once i used chrome its all good. by now i have moved on to a better macos. ;) My hackintosh NUC8 imac 2001 (The infamous LAMP) is now running Sonoma Beta 4 / Ventura 13.5 / Monterey 12.6.8 AND Windows 11 Pro 22H2. with few to no hassle Keep up the good work and keep our beloved Mac Pro's alive for another year or two ;)
Thank you for sharing this! My home machine has been a 3.1 Mac Pro with a GTX 9800, 16 gigs of RAM and an SSD in it for the last six or seven years. It's been great, and does everything I've asked of it. The only problem is that now certain important software I need to remain compatible with work is aging out and no longer supported on my ancient 10.11.6 El Capitan. Monterey would give it many more years of life. It would be nice running a 20 year old computer that still handles everything a normal user wants. Maybe not high-end gaming, but I'm more of a retro games sort of guy, anyway, well into my 50s.
Your 2008 Mac Pro is 20 years old, five years older than mine? ;) Jokes aside, Monterey runs really well on my 3,1 but it's not my daily driver so my experience is pretty limited. As far as games go, I was playing games on my 3,1 as late as early 2018 before I swapped to a 5,1. With a beefier GPU you can play somewhat modern games. With the Vega 56, I was playing 1440p with mid/max settings at 60 Hz in games like Lord of the Rings: Middle Earth series and Assassin's Creed games reasonably well.
@@dmug Hehe, no, I meant if I can keep it running for another five years, THEN it will be a 20 year old Mac, and that would be cool. :) From poking around, it seems like it can run a pretty recent Mac OS with an extra RX Radeon 5700 XT I've got kicking around. I'll definitely be experimenting!
same machine, did Monterey and its actually kind of fab. im making a Sonoma USB now. that 2008 tower is excellent for all the drives. the heat output though! thanks for this one.
Awesome, should have my video tomorrow where I outline my experience with Sonoma on this computer. Spoiler: it isn’t bad at all and I have some benchmarks to prove it.
I got myself a Mac Pro 4,1 that I upgraded to 5,1 and using Open Core to have macOS Catalina! I know Big Sur is pretty stable using Open Core, but Catalina is the last of the X line, has a ton of support for what I want to do, and I wanted to play it EXTRA safe as I planned to use this for a long, long time
@@dmug I could always do that, in your opinion should I go ahead and do Big Sur or stick with Catalina? I heard "something" about future Big Sur updates not playing very well with Mac Pro 5,1's but if not and its just as stable I'll do Big Sur instead!
Awesome channel. My Mac Pro 5.1 works great with Monterey thanks to Open Legacy Group. However Graphic card Sapphire RX 850 with 8 GB is working but not recognized as the graphics card it is, clicking on about my Mac shows ‘Display 14 MB’ and everything on the screen is very slow. If I plug an ATI Radeon 1 GB and it’s works fine but no Metal so when trying to open iMovie a message saying ‘This graphics configuration does not support hardware acceleration’ I once installed another version from Open Core Legacy Patcher running Monterey and it worked really good but no Wifi nor Bluetooth. I hope this OPEN CORE LEGACY team finds a solution. Thank you very much
I am toyomh with buying a m2 mac mini, but I loved this video. I have an imac 2012 with SSD, and works great, doesn't run the newest os, but patched...using big sure...patched Thanks again
Thanks, I've been running into that hang about 1/3 the way through installing on a 2011 macbook pro, I'll have to try the NVRAM reset and see if that gets me to the incomplete installer option!
I still use Aperture (I can't find anything that quite fit's the bill as a replacement) So the main concern fort me when updating is will Aperture work and it should work nice on a MacPro
Many thanks for taking the time to do this EXCELLENT VIDEO!! If You had a newer graphics card in the Mac Pro, would that had help? Have a GREAT week!!!
Help as in making the install process easier? Sorta, the RX580s require an OpenCore fix for 10.14+ and my gpu issue was not removing the old gpu. The cause of the boot drive requiring me to manually select seems like a quirk with either my computer or this model as I didn’t have this problem on my MacBook Air 2015, check the OpenCore in 5 minute video I made.
@@dmug hi my friend! First of all, thank you for the amazing content. Can you point me to the fix you mentioned? I am using Monterey with the RX580, but bootloader is black and I feel it’s slow.
@@dmug Unfortunately, it doesn't (at least in my case). I have to remove the drives I don't want to boot and hope it works. That's how I managed to have Monterey running, but it felt veeeery slow. I think the bottleneck is the SSD (a common one). I'll try the upgrade to a NVME one and see how it goes. But still I can't see the bootloader on my RX580. Thanks for answering!
I'm having to resurrect the same model Mac Pro to use as a surrogate to import footage from an old miniDV camcorder. The problem is that I have HDMI displays, and the Mac only outputs DVI. Is there a specific cable you could recommend to convert DVI output to HDMI so I can drive a modern display on this venerable Mac? Thanks!
Still a viable box.I was a bit sad to part with mine but selling them (and my GPUs) during the GPU crisis was the only way I could justify getting a 7,1.
Thanks for this guide. I've been wanting to upgrade my 4,1--->5,1 beyond Mojave, but as it is my main system, I don't want to brick it. Fingers crossed...
Ism running dosdudes Catalina on my 2009 Mac Pro 5,1. It has 32gb ECC and Xeon 3.33 4 core cpu. The video card does not have efi boot screen. Is this a good update for me? Does the App Store work? Mine crashes the whole Mac.
i have the same model , but i can;t boot success , stuck on the apple logo ,the loading bar stop in the middle , try 5-10 times , i try install OCLP mac big sir, monterey, and sonoma , all same
Can I do all of this but with a OWC NVME PCIE DRIVE? I have a OWC accelerator extreme E2 with 500GB of SSD power. I would love to be able to boot from it.
Love you Chanel, I have a Mac 3,1 running Final Cut Studio. I need need some kind of large storage device (60 TB) that will support / communicate with a Mac Pro of this era what options would you suggest.
60 TB will have a lot of upfront cost just due to the drives. The best option is to buy or build a NAS as you'll be able to use it with whatever your next computer ends up being and going 10 GBe as Unraid and ZFS are oodles better than creating a jenky-and-out-of-date soft RAID as RAID is pretty much dead at this point. Plus with SSD caching in modern NASes, it's a helluva lot faster as you drop in a 2TB NVMe as the caching buffer and most have enough CPU horse power to do things like Plex as a bonus. The biggest issue is a NAS you'll either want a quality-costly solution like a Synology or dumpster dive for a PC and buy a license for Unraid until you can afford to get a lower-power PC. Unraid isn't perfect but it's also not terribly expensive. After that, it's getting something like a USB case that has multiple drive bays, which is where I'm at but will eventually go the route of a NAS. Just skip anything that involves macOS managing softRAID. You're much better off just having 4x 16 TB HDDs. Really, skip any solution that uses soft RAID.
I watch your show on this exact computer! I am running OS X El Capitan Version 10.11.6. It has the same 2 X26 GHz Quad Core Intel Xeon processors your described. It has 8 GB 800 MHz DDR2 FB-DIMM in it and the ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 256 MB graphics card you showed in the video (the 1900 XT misspeak). I have replaced the fan in that card myself when the bearings took a dump. So I am probably on borrowed time. In spite of that, so far this has been my daily driver since I bought it refurbished from Apple when dinosaurs roamed the Earth. I am happy with it to a certain extent but some things (like Safari) can't keep up with today's tech. Firefox is also my fix for that as you showed. What do you suggest? Is it worth it to upgrade the graphics card? If so to what Card and where would I be likely to acquire one? I have already considered upgrading to solid state drives (an internal raid maybe) and upping the ram. After these upgrades would I be seeing any more functionality and capability by upgrading the OS to OS 12 Monterey?
I can't say if it's "worth it" but you'll certainly notice a difference in performance if you grab a newer GPU. I've had good luck with ebay since it has buyer protection but it isn't the cheapest. Local markets vary a lot as does region. If you can score a Radeon 580 for under $100 it's probably "worth it" as it's quite capable, able to easily drive two 4k displays at 60 Hz for daily use and good enough for modernish gaming if you don't mind 1440p/1080p gaming. Even a cheap SATA SSD will feel much faster, especially if you make sure it has cache (DRAMless SSDs can be slower in larger transfers than a HDD). The biggest reason to upgrade older machines is for software compatibility, followed by Apple's suite of apps. If you rely on Safari or Mail or Messages or Calendar etc, Apple frequently updates these. If you update the wifi chipset, in 10.12 you'll get Airdrop support, Other features you'd gain: dictation, Siri, HEVC (H.265) support, live photo support, the new podcasts/music/tv apps, stacks, dark mode, control center and so on...
@@dmug Thank you for all that info. I appreciate it. That last group of feature gains, did they require the updated wifi chipset, or were they just due to the upgraded OS? Thanks again for keeping the old hardware in the running.
Cant read any disk Drive or ssd for example capitan, always have a carpet With sign, that drives works in another macbooks perfectly, do u have any idea? Sorry for my bad english
hi I'm trying to install Macos Monterey in MacBook Pro 8.1 late 2011 however with OCLP, but it gets stuck on "less then a minute remaining"with Apple logo in the first boot, please help what should i do?
Hello Congratulation for your video I have a boot loop problem before the Sonoma installation is complete. Indeed, the installation is carried out up to 14% and then the mac restarts and I systematically return to the page which allows me to reinstall Sonoma. I read that on some old Macs there was this problem Do you have an idea to get around this and allow me to install Sonoma all the way? Thank you for your reply
Are you able to use current adobe creative cloud products on it? I'm planning to work on my 2012 macbook pro 9,2 and am hoping a new ssd and better RAM is enough for me to be able to use photoshop and premiere pro. I can open photoshop currently on it (with catalina) but it runs pretty slow, and i havent tried using premiere pro on it Thanks so much for the detailed and straightforward video!
Not an Adobe CC member as I've been post-adobe for years. I know Premiere 2024 is going to use AVX so it's the end of the line for 2013 and older Macs.
I’m trying to use this because I want to put macOS Mavericks on my 3.1 and have a boot picker but I’m having an issue detecting my Mavericks install in the applications folder
hello, tomorrow I'm going to get a Mac 3.1, I saw that the extreme AirPower is missing, I would like to update it to the latest version of Mac OS X, I have the right requirements (even the ram), I have to do it with open core, I wanted to ask you which card Wi-Fi can I buy? Thanks in advance
what is the newest officially supported version... I thought it was el capitan which it might still be but in the video he is using high sierra.. anyone know?
hi how i conect this tipe of model in imac 2006? as a monitor? Maybe its a stupid question but in completely new in all this. my husband just rescued a model like this and imac 2006 from garbage and im trying do some life again tks so much
I've got one of these old macs and wondering whether to upgrade it or not. It's the original operating system and I've not even fired it up since around 2012. I also have a brand new Mac studio, so wondering if it's even worth investing time and effort in to it? I use my Mac for editing video and design software. I've got zero experience upgrading computers, other than changing ram 😂 Think it's worth a go?
Is it possible to explicitly update a existing Mojave 10.14 to Catalina 10.15 via open core? Have a 3,1 on 10.14 with Fusion 360 fully operational, but need 10.15 for 3D printer software. F360 no longer allows New installs on 10.15, so trying to migrate the operational install by Updating if possible.
Upgraded my 3,1 to Monterey, RX580 GPU, 32GB ram but just the single processor, no boot screen, no optical drive and a bluetooth dongle but other than that it works well, long live the 3,1!
Nice, what do you use it for? I wish I had a better gpu but sold off my few extras during the gpu crisis and I can’t really justify spending $100 on a better gpu for a computer that I barely use. It’s not like UA-cam is a big money maker where it can fund projects like that.
@@dmug Well, the GPU is a bit more than the CPU can handle but it works pretty well. I use it for all sorts, my day to day is an iMac 2013 updated to Ventura using OCLP. The Mac Pro is just a nice machine to have around, BTW lots of great information on your webpage, the 3,1 was a gifted machine that needed an update and your webpage was very helpful. And I like the channel so keep it up!
@@clivemorris4845 Eh, kinda. The 3,1s are certainly limited but you still get benefits from a faster GPU, especially considering the 760 can barely drive a 4k display. For awhile my Vega 56 lived in it and it was a big upgrade from even the GeForce 1060 that was in it.
You can always have a boot volume that has the old os that’s EFI, some people have like $15 SATA SSDs for that alone, and you can have multiple drives with uefi
'm running a Mid 2010 macpro 5,1 and have tried upgrading to Monterrey from Mojave. Firstly i could not boot to the opencore boot loader using my RX580 gpu (had to revert to the original) and secondly my magic mouse will not connect via the bluetooth but the mac keyboard will. any solutions?
I’ll check in with an open core group. You probably need to check the AMD drivers for gop to get the open core picture, but the magic mouse issue is something I’m not familiar with.
@@dmug The amd runs beautifully in mojave. Monterrey installed fine off the old GPU but I couldn't control it without the mouse and i dont currently have a USB mouse. Thanks, let me know what they say. I will revert to mojave and troubleshoot in the meantime.
I know they existed but I don’t know if hardware raid controllers are still supported or not. Generally the Apple one are considered more or less eWaste due to the batteries and lack of meaningful performance improvement over soft raid. You can read about it here: lowendmac.com/2018/mac-pro-raid-card-not-too-useful/ As far as others, you may want to try a group like MacProUpgrade on facebook or the Reddit Mac Pro group or Macrumors.
thats what I thought but i can install monterey on all my drives but not the NVMe for some reason.. it even makes it to install screen as if its installing but then when it reboots itself its missing and cannot continue
I have a non-flashed RX 580 and it's being a p.i.t.a. to make it work 😥. I followed the guide to restart in recovery mode, and tried to set my OCLP as the main boot device. It happens that despite it seems to do the right commands, when I restart my Mac Pro 3.1, it just goes again to recovery mode. I can't see OCLP boot screen. Any help?
Yesterday I used OpenCore Legacy Patcher 0.61 to install Monterey on my Mac Pro 5,1. All went well and works, except for one thing: a lot of websites don/t load in Safari anymore. i deleted Safari cache, cookies, history and tried much more to solve it. Nothing helps. Safari reloads webpages automatically a few times and then says there is a problem with the website. Firefox and Chrome do work, so it is not a network problem. The problem is related to JavaScipt, I think. Because if I switch JavaScript off in Safari, the page loads better, but obviously lacks functionality. Anyone else has this problem? And even better: a solution?
Yeah frequently. I don’t often upgrade OS so am regularly pushing against what modern web standards can deliver. Without fail safari is the first to crap out. Whatever code is running that thing it needs a very clean ship to operate. Which is why I never use it. Firefox is the only way to go. It’s always the last to crap out, and when it does I know I’ve finally ran out of time and have to bite the bullet and update something
The fact that the Opencore OS installs work so well demonstrates quite clearly that there is no good technical reason for Apple to drop support for older hardware so quickly. Windows 10 actually still works (not great, of course) on 20 year old Thinkpads. Apple just wants to sell more hardware.
Hi, could you recommend me a graphics card for my Mac Pro 3.1 - 2008? Actually I use an ATI Radeon HD 5770 1 GB with OpenCore Mac OS Big Sur. Thank you.
Depends on what you're after, if for opencore, hard to beat the RX 570 or 580 for bang for buck, RX 570s go for as little as $30 USD and and RX580s for $60. RX580s are still enough for gaming in Windows for medium settings 1080p for many titles, and the 580 has a special hack to show bootscreens on the 3,1s but requires driver hacks for later macOS.
I have an early 2008 Mac pro. I upgraded to 64 gb ram and two 1 tb ssd hard drives but the start up drive can’t be replaced by ssd because I can’t clone the programs etc on the operations hard drive. Do you know if there’s a way to install a newer hard drive into this computer that already has the operations programs and programs? I need help.
Whoa, thank you!. We have at home two 3.1 Mac Pros upgraded to High Sierra via Dosdude1 patches (one of them is my main Mac from I'm writng here right now, yeah, I'm old school) . Both of them got ATI Radeon HD 5870 cards. I need to buy another graphic card to install macOS 12 Monterey with OpenCore Legacy Patcher , I guess. Any suggest?
@@miguimau the issue for you is 10.6 doesn’t support modern GPUs, I’m not sure if the GeForce 680 is supported in 10.6 but it might be, but it’s one of the oldest metal compatible GPUs. Otherwise I’d suggest virtual machining 10.6 and getting like a RX 580.
@@dmug Thanks a lot. My 5870 just died so now I´m obliged to get a new card … my secondary one is the good old HD 2600 XT :( I´m in High Sierra with Dosdude patch. I think I will upgrade to Catalina using Dosdude or maybe Monterey with the Opencore patcher (and no 10.6 boot needed) but just a simple question: Which card would be more compatible, the RX 580 or some GTX 680? Thank you, Sir.
Nice video, I have here a mac pro 2008 (same as your example) 3,1 with mac OS 10.6 leopard but my problem is my NvidiaGeForce GT 120 has no display I'm planning to buy at ebay like the GPU that you demonstrate which is the Nvidia GeForce GTX 760 can I ask if it will run like the Nvidia GeForce GT 120? or shoud I buy the same as Nvidia GeForce GT 120? Thanks, Hope you can help me.
There’s nothing special about the gpu I’m using, older version of macOS do require web drivers for nvidia hardware. If you’re looking for more hassle free and better performance I’d suggest a RX 570 as those can be had generally much cheaper and are better at driving 4k displays.
@@dmug Thanks a lot sir Greg. I've search in ebay, Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 570 4GB GDDR5 Graphics Card (Overclock) (11266 -04-20G), to be specific is this compatible for Mac pro 3, 1or is this for PC descktop? Thanks again.
Hello first of all thank you for all your amazing content 🎉 I'm trying to install monterey on mac pro 3.1 too and without any luck one thing I've noticed is you use the USB installer formatted to Ms dos and all other videos are with gpu partition I've tried both and no luck with either can it be cos of my HD 5770 gpu? It should still install even though it wouldn't have acceleration right? Could you please help me out with this one? Or can it be to much ram I'm running 64gb ecc ram?And I've tried both Martin Lo's and OCLP Thank you
The HD 5770 is almost certainly the culprit, you'd still need a metal compatible GPU. You can probably these days pick up something like a GeForce 760 (Like I'm using) or the RX 560 for cheap
@@dmug Well I was thinking in going for rx 580 8gb would that work without having a apple firmware? cos they're half the price. that would allow me to run up to ventura right? I have in mind getting a cMP 5.1 so that gpu would serve both right? But won't give up on my 3.1 till I get it running lol you get what I mean right😅😂
Would I need to run the dosdude rom firmware update? Cos I did run it but not sure if it was applied as was still not able to Read apfs drives so kind of confused
Hey, I just did the Monterey update on my 2009 mac that I use in my recording studio, and I'm running into a bit of an issue. After updating to Monterey, I update Logic Pro X. My USB audio interface (Allen and Heath Qu-24) is recognized by my mac as both an input and output device. Audio comes out through the interface just fine, and the mac itself recognizes audio coming in from the interface (I can record voice memos with the interface). But when I open up Logic Pro X, it will not receive audio from the interface. It can send audio out through the interface, and it recognizes how many inputs the interface has available, but it will not actually register any audio coming in from the interface. Is there any solution for this problem?
While I do own and sometimes use logic x, I don’t have an interface to my OpenCore computers. I’d recommend trying one of the OpenCore or Mac Pro groups on facebook, or Reddit or macrumors as I’m unfamiliar with Allen and heath audio interfaces.
Would you advise me what graphics card I must buy to make Monterey work smoothly using OPEN CORE Lagacy Patcher. I’ve go a Sapphire RX850 , would it solve buying a new graphics card and which one ? Please, thankk you in advance. Great video , my Mac Pro is 2011 (double Zenón 2,4 Hz) 24 GB memory 🙏
Find ones that are? I had that issue with my PowerMac G4 but never an Intel Mac with wired keyboards and mice. I'm a nerd so I have about 3 wired keyboards and 3 mice I can always try.
It doesn’t matter, there was a false assumption long ago that was perpetuated that sapphire was the best since the blackmagic egpu rx580 apple carried used a sapphire. There isn’t a best , just look for dual height gpu RX 580s that do not have oversized coolers so they do not block a pcie slot
I try a extreme upgrade! For my 3.1 , It’s possible iOS Ventura ? I want install nvme 1 tb , gtx 1080ti and the most ram if Can be possible u can help me ?
About all you can do is buy a flashed card (or flash a model that allows for flashing) or an old gpu if you need it. The GT120s often went for dirt cheap as did the mac 2600 xt as those were the bottom models for 3,1 and 4,1s. They are always good to keep on hand if dealing with Mac Pro 3,1s - 5,1s
@@dmug thanks… I may have misspoken. It’s a PC graphics card running in the Mac so I guess that means it is flashed but I cannot access the boot picker :-( this has me really bummed out
So I have a stock Mac Pro Early 2008, 3,1 currently running Mac OS X 10.7.5. If I use OCLP to upgrade it to Monterey, will all its original hardware (eg , Wifi, graphics card, etc) work as normal? Are there any caveats?
@@dmug Ok, didnt realize it has built-in Bluetooth... hmm. okay, I dont use BT, so as long as Wifi works and video is normal, I guess that will be good enough for me...
@@dmug how did you use bt keyboard in the video? My mac pro 3,1 gets stuck at the "connect mouse/keyboard" screen after installation. I tried usb 2.0 hub with wired mouse and keyboard and the mouse moves, but the screen won't change to the language selector. Any ideas?
Leveling, I'm dumb. I see the keyboard cable now. Mine will install until about 5 min left, then say "an error occurred while preparing the update" but I'm installing on a new ssd
@@dmug Ok, when I use OCLP , I get to the Install Monterey page, and it take a long time, and then it reboots and then I get back to the Installer (Recovery page where I first installed again).. am I missing something? When I installed OCLP to my USB flash drive it was set to Mac OS Extended format, not FAT32... could that be the problem?
Just installed Monterey and did the root patch for wifi and it's still not connecting. It shows the networks but won't go any farther for me to put in password. Oh Thanks for the videos!!
Geekbench only tells a tiny bit of the story as it's total compute would be lower, and narrow bus would make it would be hyper limiting. That said, it is impressive that the modern Watches can do certain tasks faster than this computer.
@@Diabholus Has the link from when I installed it but you can find it for much cheaper than here OSXwifi blog.greggant.com/posts/2015/11/15/installing-80211-nac-bluetooth-40-airport-mac-pro.html
I think this video was the GeForce 760, I have a few videos including one where I upgrade the GPU to a rx580 ua-cam.com/video/XaStlvmvluI/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
I have the 8 core 2008 mac pro 3,1 running Mojave , its really bad that Apple say these computers can only run os up to El capitan, it runs perfectly with Mojave , sadly even Mojave is now becoming unsupported , so unless i can get 10.15 to run , its sadly becoming the end of the road but its been 1 heck of a ride.
isn't it a hd2600xt instead of an 1900xt card? ;) in addition, the problem was defently the mixing of nvidia and ati gpu, if you just leave one of the cards inside, it will install just fine. the "magic" of display the bootpicker is as well quite simple: the ancient cards does have a GOP snippet in the rom code. adding this to existing "non apple" cards makes them behave like an "original" card. what OpenCore does, is calling the routine in the code to display the "early" graphics, before a driver kicks in...but just, if the cards rom does contain the GOP snippet. as always, nice explain of the process...thanks for mentioning us once again, appreciate it mate...cheers!
Well the hope I had last night when I commented excitedly is gone. It seems for me when I do the NVRAM reset it wipes out the selection of the EFI drive as default boot option, so boot right into El Cap. Option boot gives me the black screen of death.
Hey Greg, great video as always! If I may "abuse" its comment section for a question of mine: I'm trying to revive a 4,1 (flashed to a 5,1) that's running High Sierra. I for the life of me cannot get into the boot picker by holding Option during boot. Bluetooth keybaords as well as two different random USB keyboards don't work for this. The Mac Pro completely ignores any button presses until the login screen comes up. I've read that this only works with an Apple USB keyboard but firstly that seems like total bullshit to me and secondly, you cannot buy these things anymore. Sadly I don't have one nor do I know anyone who does. Any help is greatly appreciated, thanks!
Ive had occasion where the keyboard is not recognized until boot up. I think which USB port you are plugged into can make a difference. I’ve used MacAlly keyboards with success so it doesn’t have to be Apple. But not through any kind of hub for sure. As Greg says if your keyboard lets you, zap the PRAM. It’s like a cure all fix for many things. Or the SMC reset helps a lot too. Look on Apple support for that
@@dmug For some reason UA-cam decided to not give me a notification for your reply, sorry for the late answer. I was not able to reset PRAM with the keyboards I have access to so I went and purchased a 2007 Apple wired keyboard from the used market and sure enough, that worked! I was then able to reset the PRAM and get to the boot picker. Newer macOS releases here I come!
@@CreativePixels95 Ah right on. Fwiw I love those old apple wired keyboard. Mine crapped out last year and I had to get macally one. It's okay but I miss the apple one. I couldn't find a used one for a fair price and new they are like 120. Typical apple nonsense
OpenCore Legacy Patcher will hack in the drivers for them but it doesn't work with a lot of applications due to only partial support. You see the effects of that in follow up video ua-cam.com/video/exCcSce2uNo/v-deo.html And there's also a 3rd video in the series where I install a RX580 in my Mac Pro 3,1 ua-cam.com/video/XaStlvmvluI/v-deo.html
@@AndresValdez54235 The 660s are a huge headache, they can be one of three boards, the GK104 or the GK107 will work but most are the GK106 thus not Mojave compatible aka supports Metal 2. If they're not metal 2 compatible I'm pretty even OpenCore can't hack in the drivers but I could be wrong. I'm in the habit of telling everyone to not bother the 600s series besides the 680, even better see if you can score a RX470, RX480, RX 560, RX 570 or RX 580. I picked up a RX 580 for $50 to replace my GeForce 760.
@@dmug Thank you Greg. This was a fun exercise... Silly question te bootable USB, can be used in many other machines right? Even those macs with out OCLP...
![macOS Monterey on Unsupported Macs [2008-2015] OpenCore Legacy Patcher!!!](/img/n.gif)
Dammit, for some reason I refer to my HD 2600 XT as a 1900 XT. OpenCore 0.6 was released on Jan 23, 2023, with Mac Pros 3,1-5,1 now officially supported and old wifi chipsets
Yes! I fixed the fan in mine and I was thinking, wait? That is the HD 2600 XT isn't it? Please see my comment below, I could use your advice.
I love my Mac Pro 3,1 but had it in storage for 12 years. Thank you for sharing this.
Watching this on my almost as old 4,1 flashed to 5,1, running Monterey (via OCLP). Dual X5680's CPUs,96GB Ram, 1TB NVME boot drive, 14TB worth of Hard Drives for storage, Sonnet USB 3.1 Card, AMD RX5600XT video card. I used your guide to get it here and it runs surprisingly great. WiFi doesn't work, but I have ethernet ran upstairs, so I didn't bother upgrading the wifi adapter Thank you for all of your hard work compiling your upgrade guides!
That's a pretty solid get-up. I ran enet to my office (garage) so my desktop and PS5 have wired connections. It's just so much better.
Cool thanks! I upgraded my 5,1 quite a bit a couple years ago but decided to refresh it to Monterey and was looking for a brain dead way of doing it. Following your lead helps quite a bit!
Hey, glad to see you haven’t abandoned that 2008 cMP. I have a 2008 3,1 and a 2009 4,1 flashed to 5,1. Both of them are still running good, but I haven’t bothered to upgrade to Monterey on either. I may give the 3,1 a try following your video. I have a GTX 650 ti in the 3,1 and I think it’s supported as a Metal card.
4:10 always appreciate when people show firefox some love
Love your channel. And thanks so much for checking me out here as well and commenting on my vid. And also OCLP 0.5.4 nightly is out with Ventura support for CMP’s.
And the assets thing; that’s normal. I had this too.
why am I subscribing to this channel just now? this is brilliant, cheers! Looking forward to see more great content!!!
I’ll have some more retro Mac stuff coming
I’ve noticed that Firefox has been my savior in a lot of web uI bugs later. Used to be my go-to. Might be again!
Wow!! Thx!!! U really gave 2008 Mac Pro some hope!! I was searching a way to update to new MacOS for old Mac Pro.
Great Stuff i am just in the process to upgrade my late 2013 iMac to Monterey with 16GB RAM so it should run fine. My first Computer was an iMAC G3 (Those Colourful Apple "Eggs" and used it from 1998 until 2006. At 98 all my friends had Pentium II Computers but i knew at that time that Apple will be big some day. I also got my first PC in 2001 so i always learned on both systems. Hands down Apple has been not surpassed in reliability so far.
My parents always had a Mac, and even had the Bondi Blue 1998 iMac Rev B. The iMac wasn’t the computer I wanted (I ended up with a powermac g3 450) but I also was rather taken with the design.
Thank you for this one. I usually sell a 3,1 with Catalina patcher and focus on the 5,1. Nice to know this model can also run Monterey.
Thank you! I’ve going to try this on my Mac Pro 3,1!
Hi greg.
I just watched some of your great vids again.
as i have 3.1 project coming up. again. I must have watched and read your Mac pro guide dozens of times. Great resource.!
I¨m still in the middle of my mac pro 1.1 and 5.1 projects, but needed some easy distraction.
SO to my surprise, you mention EXACLY the same download assets spinning wheel bug on the githuib page,
just as i experienced on my Hackintosh NUC8 running catalina. once i used chrome its all good.
by now i have moved on to a better macos. ;) My hackintosh NUC8 imac 2001 (The infamous LAMP) is now running Sonoma Beta 4 / Ventura 13.5 / Monterey 12.6.8 AND Windows 11 Pro 22H2. with few to no hassle
Keep up the good work and keep our beloved Mac Pro's alive for another year or two ;)
Thank you for sharing this! My home machine has been a 3.1 Mac Pro with a GTX 9800, 16 gigs of RAM and an SSD in it for the last six or seven years. It's been great, and does everything I've asked of it. The only problem is that now certain important software I need to remain compatible with work is aging out and no longer supported on my ancient 10.11.6 El Capitan. Monterey would give it many more years of life. It would be nice running a 20 year old computer that still handles everything a normal user wants. Maybe not high-end gaming, but I'm more of a retro games sort of guy, anyway, well into my 50s.
Your 2008 Mac Pro is 20 years old, five years older than mine? ;) Jokes aside, Monterey runs really well on my 3,1 but it's not my daily driver so my experience is pretty limited.
As far as games go, I was playing games on my 3,1 as late as early 2018 before I swapped to a 5,1. With a beefier GPU you can play somewhat modern games. With the Vega 56, I was playing 1440p with mid/max settings at 60 Hz in games like Lord of the Rings: Middle Earth series and Assassin's Creed games reasonably well.
@@dmug Hehe, no, I meant if I can keep it running for another five years, THEN it will be a 20 year old Mac, and that would be cool. :) From poking around, it seems like it can run a pretty recent Mac OS with an extra RX Radeon 5700 XT I've got kicking around. I'll definitely be experimenting!
Opencore is a life saver! I run Ventura on my macmini 2014 and Monterey on my macbookpro 2008...
Ooh, nice. I have exactly this same PC too.
same machine, did Monterey and its actually kind of fab. im making a Sonoma USB now. that 2008 tower is excellent for all the drives. the heat output though! thanks for this one.
Awesome, should have my video tomorrow where I outline my experience with Sonoma on this computer. Spoiler: it isn’t bad at all and I have some benchmarks to prove it.
I got myself a Mac Pro 4,1 that I upgraded to 5,1 and using Open Core to have macOS Catalina!
I know Big Sur is pretty stable using Open Core, but Catalina is the last of the X line, has a ton of support for what I want to do, and I wanted to play it EXTRA safe as I planned to use this for a long, long time
You can always dual boot. Monterey generally is better than Big Sur for the Mac Pros as you get the later AMD drivers without losing too much support.
@@dmug I could always do that, in your opinion should I go ahead and do Big Sur or stick with Catalina? I heard "something" about future Big Sur updates not playing very well with Mac Pro 5,1's but if not and its just as stable I'll do Big Sur instead!
Awesome channel. My Mac Pro 5.1 works great with Monterey thanks to Open Legacy Group.
However Graphic card Sapphire RX 850 with 8 GB is working but not recognized as the graphics card it is, clicking on about my Mac shows ‘Display 14 MB’ and everything on the screen is very slow.
If I plug an ATI Radeon 1 GB and it’s works fine but no Metal so when trying to open iMovie a message saying ‘This graphics configuration does not support hardware acceleration’
I once installed another version from Open Core Legacy Patcher running Monterey and it worked really good but no Wifi nor Bluetooth.
I hope this OPEN CORE LEGACY team finds a solution.
Thank you very much
I am toyomh with buying a m2 mac mini, but I loved this video. I have an imac 2012 with SSD, and works great, doesn't run the newest os, but patched...using big sure...patched
Thanks again
Whenever the M2 Mac Mini ships, it'll be very attractive machine as it'll have the Media Engine and the option for 24 GB of RAM.
Thanks, I've been running into that hang about 1/3 the way through installing on a 2011 macbook pro, I'll have to try the NVRAM reset and see if that gets me to the incomplete installer option!
would (Legacy patcher work on Mac Pro 1,1
Nope. 32 bit EFI
have te same issues u helped me a lot thank u
I still use Aperture (I can't find anything that quite fit's the bill as a replacement) So the main concern fort me when updating is will Aperture work and it should work nice on a MacPro
OCLP got me to Big Sur (11.7.10) beautifully on my MBP mid-2012 (9,1)! I read that OCLP Monterey won't run on that hdwe. Do you know why?
Many thanks for taking the time to do this EXCELLENT VIDEO!! If You had a newer graphics card in the Mac Pro, would that had help? Have a GREAT week!!!
Help as in making the install process easier? Sorta, the RX580s require an OpenCore fix for 10.14+ and my gpu issue was not removing the old gpu. The cause of the boot drive requiring me to manually select seems like a quirk with either my computer or this model as I didn’t have this problem on my MacBook Air 2015, check the OpenCore in 5 minute video I made.
@@dmug hi my friend! First of all, thank you for the amazing content. Can you point me to the fix you mentioned? I am using Monterey with the RX580, but bootloader is black and I feel it’s slow.
@@SalunMarvin I think OpenCore legacy patcher auto applies the RX580 fix for the 3,1.
@@dmug Unfortunately, it doesn't (at least in my case). I have to remove the drives I don't want to boot and hope it works. That's how I managed to have Monterey running, but it felt veeeery slow. I think the bottleneck is the SSD (a common one). I'll try the upgrade to a NVME one and see how it goes. But still I can't see the bootloader on my RX580. Thanks for answering!
I'm having to resurrect the same model Mac Pro to use as a surrogate to import footage from an old miniDV camcorder. The problem is that I have HDMI displays, and the Mac only outputs DVI. Is there a specific cable you could recommend to convert DVI output to HDMI so I can drive a modern display on this venerable Mac? Thanks!
I just had a generic dvi to hdmi cable from Amazon essentials and somehow got 4k out of it with a GeForce 760
@@dmug awesome! Thanks so much. I’ll give that a whirl.
Working on keeping my 5,1 going :)
Still a viable box.I was a bit sad to part with mine but selling them (and my GPUs) during the GPU crisis was the only way I could justify getting a 7,1.
Thanks for this guide. I've been wanting to upgrade my 4,1--->5,1 beyond Mojave, but as it is my main system, I don't want to brick it.
Fingers crossed...
Ism running dosdudes Catalina on my 2009 Mac Pro 5,1. It has 32gb ECC and Xeon 3.33 4 core cpu. The video card does not have efi boot screen. Is this a good update for me? Does the App Store work? Mine crashes the whole Mac.
You didn't do the post install patches in OCLP. Dunno what your machine might have needed on that front, but it's worth mentioning.
I went to run it and it seemed to already have it or not need it, I probably should have mentioned that as it probably varies config to config…
I pour monterey on my 3,1 but Bluetooth would not work and my usb audio interface would not allow me to record guitar in logic pro. Any ideas?
i have the same model , but i can;t boot success , stuck on the apple logo ,the loading bar stop in the middle , try 5-10 times , i try install OCLP mac big sir, monterey, and sonoma , all same
Can I do all of this but with a OWC NVME PCIE DRIVE? I have a OWC accelerator extreme E2 with 500GB of SSD power. I would love to be able to boot from it.
Looking to do this on at least one if not two 2009 machines that I've got to extend their useful life a little further....
It's a smoother experience on the Mac Pro 5,1s as there's a lot more user base, thus more support.
Love you Chanel, I have a Mac 3,1 running Final Cut Studio. I need need some kind of large storage device (60 TB) that will support / communicate with a Mac Pro of this era what options would you suggest.
60 TB will have a lot of upfront cost just due to the drives.
The best option is to buy or build a NAS as you'll be able to use it with whatever your next computer ends up being and going 10 GBe as Unraid and ZFS are oodles better than creating a jenky-and-out-of-date soft RAID as RAID is pretty much dead at this point. Plus with SSD caching in modern NASes, it's a helluva lot faster as you drop in a 2TB NVMe as the caching buffer and most have enough CPU horse power to do things like Plex as a bonus.
The biggest issue is a NAS you'll either want a quality-costly solution like a Synology or dumpster dive for a PC and buy a license for Unraid until you can afford to get a lower-power PC. Unraid isn't perfect but it's also not terribly expensive.
After that, it's getting something like a USB case that has multiple drive bays, which is where I'm at but will eventually go the route of a NAS.
Just skip anything that involves macOS managing softRAID. You're much better off just having 4x 16 TB HDDs. Really, skip any solution that uses soft RAID.
Cool I'm trying to do this on a 2009 iMac. This explanation was helpful in dealing with my problems. I think 😂
I watch your show on this exact computer! I am running OS X El Capitan Version 10.11.6. It has the same 2 X26 GHz Quad Core Intel Xeon processors your described. It has 8 GB 800 MHz DDR2 FB-DIMM in it and the ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 256 MB graphics card you showed in the video (the 1900 XT misspeak). I have replaced the fan in that card myself when the bearings took a dump.
So I am probably on borrowed time.
In spite of that, so far this has been my daily driver since I bought it refurbished from Apple when dinosaurs roamed the Earth. I am happy with it to a certain extent but some things (like Safari) can't keep up with today's tech. Firefox is also my fix for that as you showed.
What do you suggest? Is it worth it to upgrade the graphics card? If so to what Card and where would I be likely to acquire one?
I have already considered upgrading to solid state drives (an internal raid maybe) and upping the ram.
After these upgrades would I be seeing any more functionality and capability by upgrading the OS to OS 12 Monterey?
I can't say if it's "worth it" but you'll certainly notice a difference in performance if you grab a newer GPU. I've had good luck with ebay since it has buyer protection but it isn't the cheapest.
Local markets vary a lot as does region. If you can score a Radeon 580 for under $100 it's probably "worth it" as it's quite capable, able to easily drive two 4k displays at 60 Hz for daily use and good enough for modernish gaming if you don't mind 1440p/1080p gaming.
Even a cheap SATA SSD will feel much faster, especially if you make sure it has cache (DRAMless SSDs can be slower in larger transfers than a HDD).
The biggest reason to upgrade older machines is for software compatibility, followed by Apple's suite of apps. If you rely on Safari or Mail or Messages or Calendar etc, Apple frequently updates these. If you update the wifi chipset, in 10.12 you'll get Airdrop support, Other features you'd gain: dictation, Siri, HEVC (H.265) support, live photo support, the new podcasts/music/tv apps, stacks, dark mode, control center and so on...
@@dmug Thank you for all that info. I appreciate it. That last group of feature gains, did they require the updated wifi chipset, or were they just due to the upgraded OS?
Thanks again for keeping the old hardware in the running.
Cant read any disk Drive or ssd for example capitan, always have a carpet With sign, that drives works in another macbooks perfectly, do u have any idea? Sorry for my bad english
hi I'm trying to install Macos Monterey in MacBook Pro 8.1 late 2011 however with OCLP, but it gets stuck on "less then a minute remaining"with Apple logo in the first boot, please help what should i do?
Hello
Congratulation for your video
I have a boot loop problem before the Sonoma installation is complete.
Indeed, the installation is carried out up to 14% and then the mac restarts and I systematically return to the page which allows me to reinstall Sonoma.
I read that on some old Macs there was this problem
Do you have an idea to get around this and allow me to install Sonoma all the way?
Thank you for your reply
Using a radeon rx 470 I cant see anything on boot, are you using both (old and new) GPU? Or should I enbale some configuration on the OCLP app? Thanks
Are you able to use current adobe creative cloud products on it? I'm planning to work on my 2012 macbook pro 9,2 and am hoping a new ssd and better RAM is enough for me to be able to use photoshop and premiere pro. I can open photoshop currently on it (with catalina) but it runs pretty slow, and i havent tried using premiere pro on it
Thanks so much for the detailed and straightforward video!
Not an Adobe CC member as I've been post-adobe for years. I know Premiere 2024 is going to use AVX so it's the end of the line for 2013 and older Macs.
@@dmug 🙃 ok, thanks for the info!
I’m trying to use this because I want to put macOS Mavericks on my 3.1 and have a boot picker but I’m having an issue detecting my Mavericks install in the applications folder
I have a 2008 MacBook Pro . It has no disk so I have to begin blank. How do I do that
I am having issues with not always being able to boot from a SATA SSD connected to a PCIe SATA card, with a JMB585 chipset
Not familiar with that off hand but many sata3 chipsets aren’t bootable
great video and all BUT HOW ARE YOU HOLDING IT IN YOUR HANDS, LIFTING IT UP LIKE ITS NOTHING, THAT THING WEIGHS 500 POUNDS
I bought a Mac Pro in 2008 as well - and sold it in 2012 for just 200 (!) € below the price I bought it myself.
200 € for 4 years of usage. 🤯
hello, tomorrow I'm going to get a Mac 3.1, I saw that the extreme AirPower is missing, I would like to update it to the latest version of Mac OS X, I have the right requirements (even the ram), I have to do it with open core, I wanted to ask you which card Wi-Fi can I buy? Thanks in advance
what is the newest officially supported version... I thought it was el capitan which it might still be but in the video he is using high sierra.. anyone know?
hi how i conect this tipe of model in imac 2006? as a monitor?
Maybe its a stupid question but in completely new in all this. my husband just rescued a model like this and imac 2006 from garbage and im trying do some life again tks so much
Only works on 2008 and newer
I've got one of these old macs and wondering whether to upgrade it or not. It's the original operating system and I've not even fired it up since around 2012. I also have a brand new Mac studio, so wondering if it's even worth investing time and effort in to it? I use my Mac for editing video and design software. I've got zero experience upgrading computers, other than changing ram 😂 Think it's worth a go?
Is it possible to explicitly update a existing Mojave 10.14 to Catalina 10.15 via open core?
Have a 3,1 on 10.14 with Fusion 360 fully operational, but need 10.15 for 3D printer software.
F360 no longer allows New installs on 10.15, so trying to migrate the operational install by Updating if possible.
What do you do when you reboot holding the option key and no boot loader options come up . Just black screen. Using RX580.
You won’t get the native boot screen on an unflashed rx580. I swapped GPUs
@dmug I thought OCLP has its own boot loader that displays with non flashed cards.
Upgraded my 3,1 to Monterey, RX580 GPU, 32GB ram but just the single processor, no boot screen, no optical drive and a bluetooth dongle but other than that it works well, long live the 3,1!
Nice, what do you use it for? I wish I had a better gpu but sold off my few extras during the gpu crisis and I can’t really justify spending $100 on a better gpu for a computer that I barely use. It’s not like UA-cam is a big money maker where it can fund projects like that.
@@dmug Well, the GPU is a bit more than the CPU can handle but it works pretty well. I use it for all sorts, my day to day is an iMac 2013 updated to Ventura using OCLP. The Mac Pro is just a nice machine to have around, BTW lots of great information on your webpage, the 3,1 was a gifted machine that needed an update and your webpage was very helpful. And I like the channel so keep it up!
@@clivemorris4845 Eh, kinda. The 3,1s are certainly limited but you still get benefits from a faster GPU, especially considering the 760 can barely drive a 4k display.
For awhile my Vega 56 lived in it and it was a big upgrade from even the GeForce 1060 that was in it.
@@dmug Did you manage to make the original Bluetooth Card work?
@@SalunMarvin I have an upgraded 3,1. Years ago and years ago I swapped the Wi-Fi chipset and it’s long gone so I can’t test it.
how do you do a full bootable backup ? just in case something happens? there's an efi partition that has to be dealt with
You can always have a boot volume that has the old os that’s EFI, some people have like $15 SATA SSDs for that alone, and you can have multiple drives with uefi
Is there a way I can find out which patcher my Mac is using? I purchased a 2014 Mac Mini (late) and I know using macOS 12 or 13
It’d be OpenCore of some variety, if it’s an unsupported Mac.
github.com/joostiphone/Update-OpenCore-to-latest-version/blob/main/README.md#
'm running a Mid 2010 macpro 5,1 and have tried upgrading to Monterrey from Mojave. Firstly i could not boot to the opencore boot loader using my RX580 gpu (had to revert to the original) and secondly my magic mouse will not connect via the bluetooth but the mac keyboard will.
any solutions?
I’ll check in with an open core group. You probably need to check the AMD drivers for gop to get the open core picture, but the magic mouse issue is something I’m not familiar with.
@@dmug
The amd runs beautifully in mojave. Monterrey installed fine off the old GPU but I couldn't control it without the mouse and i dont currently have a USB mouse.
Thanks, let me know what they say.
I will revert to mojave and troubleshoot in the meantime.
Is the hardware RAID card useful at all in any of these upgrades?
I know they existed but I don’t know if hardware raid controllers are still supported or not.
Generally the Apple one are considered more or less eWaste due to the batteries and lack of meaningful performance improvement over soft raid. You can read about it here:
lowendmac.com/2018/mac-pro-raid-card-not-too-useful/
As far as others, you may want to try a group like MacProUpgrade on facebook or the Reddit Mac Pro group or Macrumors.
Hi Greg,
I believe most of gpu RX 580 sold on ebay are for Pc ? Are these gpu RX 580 cards on ebay for PC will work with MacOs as well? Thank you
Yes, same card but no default splash screen/boot loader on unpatched pc version.
thats what I thought but i can install monterey on all my drives but not the NVMe for some reason.. it even makes it to install screen as if its installing but then when it reboots itself its missing and cannot continue
Hi, i have no boot with ALT on MP 5.1 any Idea ?THX for help
I have a non-flashed RX 580 and it's being a p.i.t.a. to make it work 😥. I followed the guide to restart in recovery mode, and tried to set my OCLP as the main boot device. It happens that despite it seems to do the right commands, when I restart my Mac Pro 3.1, it just goes again to recovery mode. I can't see OCLP boot screen. Any help?
thanks after several days you can install monterey on my mac pro 3.1
Yesterday I used OpenCore Legacy Patcher 0.61 to install Monterey on my Mac Pro 5,1. All went well and works, except for one thing: a lot of websites don/t load in Safari anymore. i deleted Safari cache, cookies, history and tried much more to solve it. Nothing helps. Safari reloads webpages automatically a few times and then says there is a problem with the website. Firefox and Chrome do work, so it is not a network problem. The problem is related to JavaScipt, I think. Because if I switch JavaScript off in Safari, the page loads better, but obviously lacks functionality. Anyone else has this problem? And even better: a solution?
Yeah frequently. I don’t often upgrade OS so am regularly pushing against what modern web standards can deliver. Without fail safari is the first to crap out. Whatever code is running that thing it needs a very clean ship to operate. Which is why I never use it. Firefox is the only way to go. It’s always the last to crap out, and when it does I know I’ve finally ran out of time and have to bite the bullet and update something
The fact that the Opencore OS installs work so well demonstrates quite clearly that there is no good technical reason for Apple to drop support for older hardware so quickly. Windows 10 actually still works (not great, of course) on 20 year old Thinkpads. Apple just wants to sell more hardware.
I think this is more or less accepted fact at this point. I kinda wish we had paid OS updates if it meant longer term official support.
Hi, could you recommend me a graphics card for my Mac Pro 3.1 - 2008? Actually I use an ATI Radeon HD 5770 1 GB with OpenCore Mac OS Big Sur. Thank you.
Depends on what you're after, if for opencore, hard to beat the RX 570 or 580 for bang for buck, RX 570s go for as little as $30 USD and and RX580s for $60. RX580s are still enough for gaming in Windows for medium settings 1080p for many titles, and the 580 has a special hack to show bootscreens on the 3,1s but requires driver hacks for later macOS.
@@dmug Thank you, so, the RX580 is compatible with my Mac Pro 3.1, right?
@@MAX-r4y I recommend NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 2 GB for Mac Pro 3,1
I have an early 2008 Mac pro. I upgraded to 64 gb ram and two 1 tb ssd hard drives but the start up drive can’t be replaced by ssd because I can’t clone the programs etc on the operations hard drive. Do you know if there’s a way to install a newer hard drive into this computer that already has the operations programs and programs? I need help.
Did you do the Mac Pro firmware update.
It's a 3,1. There's no firmware flashes to be done.
Whoa, thank you!. We have at home two 3.1 Mac Pros upgraded to High Sierra via Dosdude1 patches (one of them is my main Mac from I'm writng here right now, yeah, I'm old school) . Both of them got ATI Radeon HD 5870 cards. I need to buy another graphic card to install macOS 12 Monterey with OpenCore Legacy Patcher , I guess. Any suggest?
And also, I'm confused… Once I have the Opencore bootloader will I be able to launch my old 10.6 and 10.12 drives?
@@miguimau the issue for you is 10.6 doesn’t support modern GPUs, I’m not sure if the GeForce 680 is supported in 10.6 but it might be, but it’s one of the oldest metal compatible GPUs.
Otherwise I’d suggest virtual machining 10.6 and getting like a RX 580.
@@dmug Thanks a lot. My 5870 just died so now I´m obliged to get a new card … my secondary one is the good old HD 2600 XT :( I´m in High Sierra with Dosdude patch. I think I will upgrade to Catalina using Dosdude or maybe Monterey with the Opencore patcher (and no 10.6 boot needed) but just a simple question:
Which card would be more compatible, the RX 580 or some GTX 680? Thank you, Sir.
@@miguimau Mac Pro 5,1 580, Mac Pro 3,1 680.
Thank you!@@dmug
Do you always need to keep the USB drive with opencore plugged in?
No, you can install directly to the drive. I just did that as a safety measure.
Nice video, I have here a mac pro 2008 (same as your example) 3,1 with mac OS 10.6 leopard but my problem is my NvidiaGeForce GT 120 has no display I'm planning to buy at ebay like the GPU that you demonstrate which is the Nvidia GeForce GTX 760 can I ask if it will run like the Nvidia GeForce GT 120? or shoud I buy the same as Nvidia GeForce GT 120? Thanks, Hope you can help me.
There’s nothing special about the gpu I’m using, older version of macOS do require web drivers for nvidia hardware.
If you’re looking for more hassle free and better performance I’d suggest a RX 570 as those can be had generally much cheaper and are better at driving 4k displays.
@@dmug Thanks a lot sir Greg. I've search in ebay, Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 570 4GB GDDR5 Graphics Card (Overclock) (11266 -04-20G), to be specific is this compatible for Mac pro 3, 1or is this for PC descktop? Thanks again.
Hello first of all thank you for all your amazing content 🎉
I'm trying to install monterey on mac pro 3.1 too and without any luck one thing I've noticed is you use the USB installer formatted to Ms dos and all other videos are with gpu partition I've tried both and no luck with either can it be cos of my HD 5770 gpu? It should still install even though it wouldn't have acceleration right? Could you please help me out with this one? Or can it be to much ram I'm running 64gb ecc ram?And I've tried both Martin Lo's and OCLP Thank you
The HD 5770 is almost certainly the culprit, you'd still need a metal compatible GPU. You can probably these days pick up something like a GeForce 760 (Like I'm using) or the RX 560 for cheap
@@dmug
Well I was thinking in going for rx 580 8gb would that work without having a apple firmware? cos they're half the price. that would allow me to run up to ventura right? I have in mind getting a cMP 5.1 so that gpu would serve both right? But won't give up on my 3.1 till I get it running lol you get what I mean right😅😂
Would I need to run the dosdude rom firmware update? Cos I did run it but not sure if it was applied as was still not able to Read apfs drives so kind of confused
Hey, I just did the Monterey update on my 2009 mac that I use in my recording studio, and I'm running into a bit of an issue. After updating to Monterey, I update Logic Pro X. My USB audio interface (Allen and Heath Qu-24) is recognized by my mac as both an input and output device. Audio comes out through the interface just fine, and the mac itself recognizes audio coming in from the interface (I can record voice memos with the interface). But when I open up Logic Pro X, it will not receive audio from the interface. It can send audio out through the interface, and it recognizes how many inputs the interface has available, but it will not actually register any audio coming in from the interface. Is there any solution for this problem?
While I do own and sometimes use logic x, I don’t have an interface to my OpenCore computers. I’d recommend trying one of the OpenCore or Mac Pro groups on facebook, or Reddit or macrumors as I’m unfamiliar with Allen and heath audio interfaces.
How's Monterey running? My 3,1 is on Catalina and I'm looking into upgrading soon
Would you advise me what graphics card I must buy to make Monterey work smoothly using OPEN CORE Lagacy Patcher.
I’ve go a Sapphire RX850 , would it solve buying a new graphics card and which one ? Please, thankk you in advance. Great video , my Mac Pro is 2011 (double Zenón 2,4 Hz) 24 GB memory 🙏
What to do if mouse and keyboard are not active during install?
Find ones that are? I had that issue with my PowerMac G4 but never an Intel Mac with wired keyboards and mice. I'm a nerd so I have about 3 wired keyboards and 3 mice I can always try.
how about getting an NVMe pcie drive in a 2012 mac pro monterey?
There's nothing special about NVMe on the 5,1s as they're natively bootable. It'll be the same process as a SATA SSD or HDD.
Hi How do I know which one of AMD Sapphire Pulse RX 580 or AMD Radeon RX 580 is compatible to MacOs? Thank you
It doesn’t matter, there was a false assumption long ago that was perpetuated that sapphire was the best since the blackmagic egpu rx580 apple carried used a sapphire. There isn’t a best , just look for dual height gpu RX 580s that do not have oversized coolers so they do not block a pcie slot
Thank you
I try a extreme upgrade! For my 3.1 , It’s possible iOS Ventura ? I want install nvme 1 tb , gtx 1080ti and the most ram if Can be possible u can help me ?
I don’t have a original Mac graphics card. I cannot access the boot selection screen.
About all you can do is buy a flashed card (or flash a model that allows for flashing) or an old gpu if you need it.
The GT120s often went for dirt cheap as did the mac 2600 xt as those were the bottom models for 3,1 and 4,1s. They are always good to keep on hand if dealing with Mac Pro 3,1s - 5,1s
@@dmug thanks… I may have misspoken. It’s a PC graphics card running in the Mac so I guess that means it is flashed but I cannot access the boot picker :-( this has me really bummed out
@@dmug I have a Mac pro five, one that’s running in “version of Catalina
I have that same grapichs card and it boots on sonoma idkhow
So I have a stock Mac Pro Early 2008, 3,1 currently running Mac OS X 10.7.5. If I use OCLP to upgrade it to Monterey, will all its original hardware (eg , Wifi, graphics card, etc) work as normal? Are there any caveats?
Bluetooth doesn't work, the current issues should be noted on the OCLP page.
@@dmug Ok, didnt realize it has built-in Bluetooth... hmm. okay, I dont use BT, so as long as Wifi works and video is normal, I guess that will be good enough for me...
@@dmug how did you use bt keyboard in the video? My mac pro 3,1 gets stuck at the "connect mouse/keyboard" screen after installation. I tried usb 2.0 hub with wired mouse and keyboard and the mouse moves, but the screen won't change to the language selector. Any ideas?
Leveling, I'm dumb. I see the keyboard cable now. Mine will install until about 5 min left, then say "an error occurred while preparing the update" but I'm installing on a new ssd
@@dmug Ok, when I use OCLP , I get to the Install Monterey page, and it take a long time, and then it reboots and then I get back to the Installer (Recovery page where I first installed again).. am I missing something? When I installed OCLP to my USB flash drive it was set to Mac OS Extended format, not FAT32... could that be the problem?
I got the same SanDisk 3.2 Gen 1 disk but mines trash
I just did it with OCLP 0.64/ Monterey 12.6.5, and my old 4,1 flashed to 5,1 with GeForce GT 120 512MB ...
Just installed Monterey and did the root patch for wifi and it's still not connecting. It shows the networks but won't go any farther for me to put in password. Oh Thanks for the videos!!
Can we assume that Apple Watch 4 and higher have the same power as this machine? Because S4-8 has the power of iPhone 6S
Geekbench only tells a tiny bit of the story as it's total compute would be lower, and narrow bus would make it would be hyper limiting. That said, it is impressive that the modern Watches can do certain tasks faster than this computer.
Where can I buy a compatible WiFi card?
eBay, Amazon etc
How did you solve the wifi card problem?
I had upgraded my wifi card around 2014 so it was natively supported in Monterey.
do you have the link of the store?
@@Diabholus Has the link from when I installed it but you can find it for much cheaper than here OSXwifi
blog.greggant.com/posts/2015/11/15/installing-80211-nac-bluetooth-40-airport-mac-pro.html
580 RX 8 Gb does it work with monterey?
Which video card did you use?
I think this video was the GeForce 760, I have a few videos including one where I upgrade the GPU to a rx580
ua-cam.com/video/XaStlvmvluI/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
I have the 8 core 2008 mac pro 3,1 running Mojave , its really bad that Apple say these computers can only run os up to El capitan, it runs perfectly with Mojave , sadly even Mojave is now becoming unsupported , so unless i can get 10.15 to run , its sadly becoming the end of the road but its been 1 heck of a ride.
How much memory can the 3.1 hold? Is it ddr3?
blog.greggant.com/posts/2018/05/07/definitive-mac-pro-upgrade-guide.html
isn't it a hd2600xt instead of an 1900xt card? ;)
in addition, the problem was defently the mixing of nvidia and ati gpu, if you just leave one of the cards inside, it will install just fine.
the "magic" of display the bootpicker is as well quite simple: the ancient cards does have a GOP snippet in the rom code.
adding this to existing "non apple" cards makes them behave like an "original" card.
what OpenCore does, is calling the routine in the code to display the "early" graphics, before a driver kicks in...but just, if the cards rom does contain the GOP snippet.
as always, nice explain of the process...thanks for mentioning us once again, appreciate it mate...cheers!
Ah damn you’re right.
your welcome buddy...🙋🏻♂️
Well the hope I had last night when I commented excitedly is gone. It seems for me when I do the NVRAM reset it wipes out the selection of the EFI drive as default boot option, so boot right into El Cap. Option boot gives me the black screen of death.
Gets upgrade on ram with 64GB from the current 8GB of ram..
Pain in the ass.
Hey Greg, great video as always!
If I may "abuse" its comment section for a question of mine: I'm trying to revive a 4,1 (flashed to a 5,1) that's running High Sierra. I for the life of me cannot get into the boot picker by holding Option during boot. Bluetooth keybaords as well as two different random USB keyboards don't work for this. The Mac Pro completely ignores any button presses until the login screen comes up. I've read that this only works with an Apple USB keyboard but firstly that seems like total bullshit to me and secondly, you cannot buy these things anymore. Sadly I don't have one nor do I know anyone who does. Any help is greatly appreciated, thanks!
Are you able to zap the NVRAM ram? (command option P R)
Ive had occasion where the keyboard is not recognized until boot up. I think which USB port you are plugged into can make a difference. I’ve used MacAlly keyboards with success so it doesn’t have to be Apple. But not through any kind of hub for sure. As Greg says if your keyboard lets you, zap the PRAM. It’s like a cure all fix for many things. Or the SMC reset helps a lot too. Look on Apple support for that
@@dmug For some reason UA-cam decided to not give me a notification for your reply, sorry for the late answer. I was not able to reset PRAM with the keyboards I have access to so I went and purchased a 2007 Apple wired keyboard from the used market and sure enough, that worked! I was then able to reset the PRAM and get to the boot picker. Newer macOS releases here I come!
@@madmac66 See my reply to Greg above. TLDR: purchased old apple wired keyboard from the used market, that worked.
@@CreativePixels95 Ah right on. Fwiw I love those old apple wired keyboard. Mine crapped out last year and I had to get macally one. It's okay but I miss the apple one. I couldn't find a used one for a fair price and new they are like 120. Typical apple nonsense
So this is 100%paranormal. I installed Monterey in my 2008 3,1 MacPro using the original ATiRadeon graphics card…
OpenCore Legacy Patcher will hack in the drivers for them but it doesn't work with a lot of applications due to only partial support.
You see the effects of that in follow up video
ua-cam.com/video/exCcSce2uNo/v-deo.html
And there's also a 3rd video in the series where I install a RX580 in my Mac Pro 3,1
ua-cam.com/video/XaStlvmvluI/v-deo.html
@@dmug do you think it will accept NVIDIA gtx660?
@@AndresValdez54235 The 660s are a huge headache, they can be one of three boards, the GK104 or the GK107 will work but most are the GK106 thus not Mojave compatible aka supports Metal 2. If they're not metal 2 compatible I'm pretty even OpenCore can't hack in the drivers but I could be wrong. I'm in the habit of telling everyone to not bother the 600s series besides the 680, even better see if you can score a RX470, RX480, RX 560, RX 570 or RX 580. I picked up a RX 580 for $50 to replace my GeForce 760.
@@dmug Thank you Greg. This was a fun exercise... Silly question te bootable USB, can be used in many other machines right? Even those macs with out OCLP...