You are correct, the 2,1 was upgradable from 1,1. Must be some sort of brain goof if I was saying 1,2. I did a quick search because this was a while ago, and it looks like there isn’t such a model as 1,2 for the Mac Pro. Thanks for the correction!
Thank you!! Yes, it would be fun to try the G5 as a daily driver on Linux. I was actually shocked when I looked it up; I was completely expecting to find a fully maintained PPC install package. But with tinkering, it does seem possible to get a usable version running. I can work my way around Linux, but I'm no expert; it might not be a difficult task for someone with better Linux skills than me, lol!
@@stonent Interesting! So I imagine server type packages will continue to be maintained for PPC then, like Apache, etc. Perhaps a Linux G5 isn't as crazy as I initially thought. Thanks for the correction!
Feinix PPC, MintPPC and VoidPPC are the best "supported" distros on PowerPC Linux these days. Adelie Linux also exists. Sorbet Leopard or Shurkien Tiger also exist. @@rebootretro
Your Dell server will also run circles around this Mac Pro, lol. Yup, most x86/64 stuff you can squeeze quite a bit of useful life out of! And even if ARM takes over the market, I don't see Linux support dropping any time soon.
I got one of these for free off of a friend because it wasnt working. Fixed it up and got snow leopard. I will probably try upgrading it, like in this video!
I have a 5.1 and it is still running well. I occasionally do stop motion animation. 2X 5690, 128GB RAM and an RX580 8GB video card. I have 3x 1TB storage (one of them is an nVME. It is connected to my 30" Cinema Display. My system is in mint condition, looks brand new. Not too many left in this condition. I can still play with it as it has Intel CPU, still can do everything I need to do. The current M series computers are expensive (the base line is not enough) and it would cost me around $2K to get the Mac that I want to. So at the moment I am very happy with my old, 14 yo setup.
Companies like Apple put in your head you need to upgrade, so they can sell you something new. Im still using a 17" MacBook Pro 2.2 ghz, Mac Pro 2013 and Mac Pro 2010 to run Mac OS Server to host my website
I got an old Mac Pro (6 core 3.33GHz) bumped the RAM up to 32GB, Installed a 1TB SSD and 4GB 580 graphics card and Zorin OS. It runs great! All for about $100. Went ahead and installed 4 additional 1TB hard drives for timeshift backups and storage.
I also have a 2006 MPC 1,1 that I upgraded the firmware to 2,1 and a Radeon HD 5770. I maxed out the memory at 32 gb., and added a 1 tb. Crucial SATA SSD, and with a little massaging with rEFIT, I was able to install Windows 10 Enterprise. It's actually pretty fast once it boots and everything settles down. The only thing that doesn't work so far is the sound chip, but that's easily remedied with a USB sound card that Windows recognizes automatically. I had to install Windows-based fan controls mainly to keep the memory at acceptable temp levels, since those 667 mhz. DIMMS seem to always run hot. Overall it's very stable now for everyday use, and has 3D graphics support with the Windows drivers for the Radeon HD 5770. Pretty impressive for an 18 year old machine!😉
I have 2 of the MacPro 1,1 one of them runs windows 10 as a pretty good gaming pc, and the other actually runs my private file and Time Machine and windows file history server for me and my family. That one runs MacOS Snow Leopard Server release which still costs about $500 on eBay just for that OS
I managed to get two Mac Pros, a 1,1 and a 3,1, I managed to get a GPU for it and install both OS X Lion and Windows 10, and surprisingly it isn’t terrible, and general benchmarks of the GPU from the internet say the 5770 that’s in my Mac is better than what I have in my PC which is kinda sad
The early days of UEFI (2005 for PCs, 2006 for Macs) were fun! Windows had good support for it starting with Vista x64 SP1 given that you weren't trying to do anything fancy like dual booting and of course Apple supported its own hardware, but Linux distros could and can still be a bit of a hit and miss. I ran into a similar issue to yours not long ago trying to install Ubuntu Server on a Class 2 UEFI Intel motherboard from Q2'08 (DX48BT2). In full UEFI mode it would simply crash during the installation process. If I'd set Rufus to MBR and disabled UEFI in the BIOS, the loader would still detect the machine as UEFI capable and installed itself this way which worked but wouldn't boot once the installation completed. I tried regressing to older versions and found out that Ubuntu 16.04.7 properly installed in MBR mode and I could then upgrade normally to the latest version. My guess is that anything that includes UBL in GRUB (2017+ ???) will give you a run for your money on older systems.
That's interesting! You could be right, I've noticed too that the UEFI issue on older systems seemed to start around 2017 versions. It's funny that we both resorted to the same solution; install old version, then upgrade. I've done that on a couple systems, and no issues with that method.
tho i go a 1.1 for free (cause it wasn't booting) i've seen people try to sell 4.1 or 5.1 for the price of a modern low budget pc. don't know what's up with that but paying for one of these is definitely not worth it considering how power hungry they are considering the performance with or without upgrades. i love the design tho, it looks very clean inside and outside; i'm trying to find an easy way to make it atx compatible cause it's a waste of aluminum to throw this away
A few people have done ATX conversions. Linus Tech Tips did one a little while back that looked pretty good. I think Snazzy Labs did one too, and used an angle grinder to create the back IO hole if I recall.
@@rebootretro i've seen a few, but i don't have LTT budget or resources (or skills, or tools) so i'm gonna go for something more "rough". but according to my research a micro atx should fit fine and require only a few cuts and a spare case; imo it's worth it to get a very good looking case
You would need to make a custom install USB or DVD that you can boot directly on the Mac. You would still need to use another Windows PC, but you wouldn't need to take it apart. I haven't used or tested this method personally, but Hrutkay Mods has a tutorial here you could check out: ua-cam.com/video/yEW7dLWRJ_M/v-deo.html
i did upgrade a 2010 imac with k2100m gpu and big sur with oclp even backlight control works and no need to seal the screen with tape its magnetic till 2011 imac
Really? That would be amazing if they figured it out! I know the system is pretty old at this point, but sometimes it's fun to do things because we can, not because it's practical :)
Someone needs to produce a kit with stencils for cuts, correct size standoffs, front header adapters, etc to convert to standard ATX. These aluminum cases are pretty timeless, IMO.
Local classifieds (Craigslist, etc), or recyclers generally. I imagine eBay will be expensive due to shipping. Apple sold way less of these than iMacs and MacBooks, so there aren’t as many for sale. But they tend to be pretty cheap when you find them; unless it’s been highly upgraded or someone overvalued it.
At this point, you can get some good office Windows PCs for $100 (6th, 7th gen Intel). Throw in a small form factor Nvidia RTX 4060 and you are off to the races!
For sure, if you're going to spend actual cash on a computer, there's way better options out there. Those 6th/7th gens perform pretty good - and consume WAY less power, lol. Full tilt, the Mac Pro could raise the temperature in a small room, haha.
Exactly right - except for the most demanding power users, a 6th Gen Intel core i5/7 or better will easily handle anything thrown at it. That's the amazing part about modern CPUs, just how powerful they have become.
Vidéo très intéressante pour ma part j'ai un mac pro 3.1 je l'ai acheté le seul logiciel qui était installé c'était Windows 10 et il tourne merveilleusement bien je vois dans la vidéo une astuce pour installer Windows 11 je vais m'empresser de tester cette solution lol j'ai également installé par moi-même des anciens systèmes macro el capitain et Sierra tu tournes bien pour l'instant le but étant de les pousser au maximum avoir avec open core peut être lol en tout cas ça nous rappelle le bon lieutenant de l'informatique ou les tours que l'on achetait étaient modifiables presque à volonté
Hrutkay mod videos help turned a thrown out macpro 1,1 into 2,1 running El Capitan . I use it as a offline video editor. Some browsers still work. I hope someone comes up with a reliable browsers to keep these machines going. Would like to add windows but not sure which video I should follow to do so. Seems complicated and could be 50/50 type outcome
If you're trying to install Windows directly on the Mac Pro, it's a little complicated because you need to customize the loader. If you have a spare PC hanging around, the method I show in the video should be MUCH easier. You just set the BIOS settings on the PC like shown, install Windows normally (don't connect to the internet/activate/etc yet), and once install finishes move the drive over to the Mac. If you managed to do the 1,1 to 2,1 upgrade, Windows should be easy :)
@@rebootretrohad to rewatch video 5:35 I imagine this point what your comment refers to. Don't have a PC 😞 but I do have a toughbook that runs windows but it's for work. Is it possible to do this without directly affecting the toughbook OS?
@@bxvideony You have to install the Mac hard drive into the PC, so your work almost certainly won't like that :( If you can find even an old PC to borrow, you should be able to do it. If you're doing Windows 10, you should be able to use a Core 2 or first generation Core i system - people are literally giving these away at this point. In your case, a custom installer and direct install on Mac is probably the best option, unfortunately. I looked into it - it did not seem very hard, but just a hassle. If you got the other upgrades so far, I'm sure you could figure it out. :)
I detest apple and 99% of everything they make from just about every metric, HOWEVER this is one of the best looking computer chassis of all time and I absolutely adore the brutalist minimalism of the whole thing. This and the Sun Ultra 45 Workstation.
It has a little bit of an industrial design look to it, doesn't it. Apple likes to change up designs so often, its surprising how long they've kept this one!
You keep saying 1,2. Surely you mean 2,1. That would be the 2007 Mac Pro, but the 1,1 can be upgraded to 2,1 firmware.
You are correct, the 2,1 was upgradable from 1,1. Must be some sort of brain goof if I was saying 1,2. I did a quick search because this was a while ago, and it looks like there isn’t such a model as 1,2 for the Mac Pro. Thanks for the correction!
I also pinned your comment in case other people are confused with my nonsense, lol
It's too bad there isn't much support for PPC in the Linux world anymore. Great video as always!
Thank you!! Yes, it would be fun to try the G5 as a daily driver on Linux. I was actually shocked when I looked it up; I was completely expecting to find a fully maintained PPC install package. But with tinkering, it does seem possible to get a usable version running.
I can work my way around Linux, but I'm no expert; it might not be a difficult task for someone with better Linux skills than me, lol!
PPC is still supported for IBM servers.
@@stonent Interesting! So I imagine server type packages will continue to be maintained for PPC then, like Apache, etc. Perhaps a Linux G5 isn't as crazy as I initially thought. Thanks for the correction!
Feinix PPC, MintPPC and VoidPPC are the best "supported" distros on PowerPC Linux these days. Adelie Linux also exists. Sorbet Leopard or Shurkien Tiger also exist. @@rebootretro
Sobert Leopard Mac X is the way to go...?
Glad to see my high end 2014 dell server will still run for quite a while
Your Dell server will also run circles around this Mac Pro, lol. Yup, most x86/64 stuff you can squeeze quite a bit of useful life out of! And even if ARM takes over the market, I don't see Linux support dropping any time soon.
I got one of these for free off of a friend because it wasnt working. Fixed it up and got snow leopard. I will probably try upgrading it, like in this video!
I have a 5.1 and it is still running well. I occasionally do stop motion animation.
2X 5690, 128GB RAM and an RX580 8GB video card.
I have 3x 1TB storage (one of them is an nVME. It is connected to my 30" Cinema Display. My system is in mint condition, looks brand new. Not too many left in this condition.
I can still play with it as it has Intel CPU, still can do everything I need to do.
The current M series computers are expensive (the base line is not enough) and it would cost me around $2K to get the Mac that I want to. So at the moment I am very happy with my old, 14 yo setup.
If it does the job, no reason to upgrade imo
Companies like Apple put in your head you need to upgrade, so they can sell you something new. Im still using a 17" MacBook Pro 2.2 ghz, Mac Pro 2013 and Mac Pro 2010 to run Mac OS Server to host my website
thats only a problem if youre a poor
@@juanshaftpatel7488 "poor" while apple devices are very high prices today! Calling "poor" is not a problem
@aftpatel7488 every poor person nowadays has latest iphone lol, not really a status symbol anymore
I got an old Mac Pro (6 core 3.33GHz) bumped the RAM up to 32GB, Installed a 1TB SSD and 4GB 580 graphics card and Zorin OS. It runs great! All for about $100. Went ahead and installed 4 additional 1TB hard drives for timeshift backups and storage.
I got a 2010 Mac Pro, and it can still hold its own in a production environment.
And with OpenCore Legacy Patcher, it can run the latest macOS Sequoia too! Although you might want to run stock OS in a production environment.
@@rebootretro I guess that would make sense, since it can run on Intel.
I also have a 2006 MPC 1,1 that I upgraded the firmware to 2,1 and a Radeon HD 5770. I maxed out the memory at 32 gb., and added a 1 tb. Crucial SATA SSD, and with a little massaging with rEFIT, I was able to install Windows 10 Enterprise. It's actually pretty fast once it boots and everything settles down. The only thing that doesn't work so far is the sound chip, but that's easily remedied with a USB sound card that Windows recognizes automatically. I had to install Windows-based fan controls mainly to keep the memory at acceptable temp levels, since those 667 mhz. DIMMS seem to always run hot. Overall it's very stable now for everyday use, and has 3D graphics support with the Windows drivers for the Radeon HD 5770. Pretty impressive for an 18 year old machine!😉
I have 2 of the MacPro 1,1 one of them runs windows 10 as a pretty good gaming pc, and the other actually runs my private file and Time Machine and windows file history server for me and my family. That one runs MacOS Snow Leopard Server release which still costs about $500 on eBay just for that OS
I managed to get two Mac Pros, a 1,1 and a 3,1, I managed to get a GPU for it and install both OS X Lion and Windows 10, and surprisingly it isn’t terrible, and general benchmarks of the GPU from the internet say the 5770 that’s in my Mac is better than what I have in my PC which is kinda sad
The early days of UEFI (2005 for PCs, 2006 for Macs) were fun! Windows had good support for it starting with Vista x64 SP1 given that you weren't trying to do anything fancy like dual booting and of course Apple supported its own hardware, but Linux distros could and can still be a bit of a hit and miss. I ran into a similar issue to yours not long ago trying to install Ubuntu Server on a Class 2 UEFI Intel motherboard from Q2'08 (DX48BT2). In full UEFI mode it would simply crash during the installation process. If I'd set Rufus to MBR and disabled UEFI in the BIOS, the loader would still detect the machine as UEFI capable and installed itself this way which worked but wouldn't boot once the installation completed. I tried regressing to older versions and found out that Ubuntu 16.04.7 properly installed in MBR mode and I could then upgrade normally to the latest version. My guess is that anything that includes UBL in GRUB (2017+ ???) will give you a run for your money on older systems.
That's interesting! You could be right, I've noticed too that the UEFI issue on older systems seemed to start around 2017 versions. It's funny that we both resorted to the same solution; install old version, then upgrade. I've done that on a couple systems, and no issues with that method.
tho i go a 1.1 for free (cause it wasn't booting) i've seen people try to sell 4.1 or 5.1 for the price of a modern low budget pc. don't know what's up with that but paying for one of these is definitely not worth it considering how power hungry they are considering the performance with or without upgrades.
i love the design tho, it looks very clean inside and outside; i'm trying to find an easy way to make it atx compatible cause it's a waste of aluminum to throw this away
A few people have done ATX conversions. Linus Tech Tips did one a little while back that looked pretty good. I think Snazzy Labs did one too, and used an angle grinder to create the back IO hole if I recall.
@@rebootretro i've seen a few, but i don't have LTT budget or resources (or skills, or tools) so i'm gonna go for something more "rough". but according to my research a micro atx should fit fine and require only a few cuts and a spare case; imo it's worth it to get a very good looking case
Best model still today as of end of 2024 is the 4'1 and 5'1 still have fight chance of daily use with thanks of opencore. Still daily running 24/7 5'1
hi. i didnt have another computer to do the part you intal the sistem and plug in mac pro....what should i do? tks
You would need to make a custom install USB or DVD that you can boot directly on the Mac. You would still need to use another Windows PC, but you wouldn't need to take it apart.
I haven't used or tested this method personally, but Hrutkay Mods has a tutorial here you could check out: ua-cam.com/video/yEW7dLWRJ_M/v-deo.html
i did upgrade a 2010 imac with k2100m gpu and big sur with oclp even backlight control works and no need to seal the screen with tape its magnetic till 2011 imac
People are still looking into a way to upgrade the cpu which would allow it to run a newer os than El Capitan.
Really? That would be amazing if they figured it out! I know the system is pretty old at this point, but sometimes it's fun to do things because we can, not because it's practical :)
@rebootretro Check it out on Macrumors "updating mac pro 1.1 microcode"
Tower mac's will always be worth something as long as you can build a PC in the case 😂
Someone needs to produce a kit with stencils for cuts, correct size standoffs, front header adapters, etc to convert to standard ATX. These aluminum cases are pretty timeless, IMO.
Where can you find them dirt cheap?
Local classifieds (Craigslist, etc), or recyclers generally. I imagine eBay will be expensive due to shipping. Apple sold way less of these than iMacs and MacBooks, so there aren’t as many for sale. But they tend to be pretty cheap when you find them; unless it’s been highly upgraded or someone overvalued it.
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At this point, you can get some good office Windows PCs for $100 (6th, 7th gen Intel). Throw in a small form factor Nvidia RTX 4060 and you are off to the races!
For sure, if you're going to spend actual cash on a computer, there's way better options out there. Those 6th/7th gens perform pretty good - and consume WAY less power, lol. Full tilt, the Mac Pro could raise the temperature in a small room, haha.
Exactly right - except for the most demanding power users, a 6th Gen Intel core i5/7 or better will easily handle anything thrown at it.
That's the amazing part about modern CPUs, just how powerful they have become.
For 50 USD you can buy 64 GB of FBdimm. The 100 USD computers are usuall DDR3, so you will get max. 32 GB into them.
Vidéo très intéressante pour ma part j'ai un mac pro 3.1 je l'ai acheté le seul logiciel qui était installé c'était Windows 10 et il tourne merveilleusement bien je vois dans la vidéo une astuce pour installer Windows 11 je vais m'empresser de tester cette solution lol j'ai également installé par moi-même des anciens systèmes macro el capitain et Sierra tu tournes bien pour l'instant le but étant de les pousser au maximum avoir avec open core peut être lol en tout cas ça nous rappelle le bon lieutenant de l'informatique ou les tours que l'on achetait étaient modifiables presque à volonté
Hrutkay mod videos help turned a thrown out macpro 1,1 into 2,1 running El Capitan . I use it as a offline video editor. Some browsers still work. I hope someone comes up with a reliable browsers to keep these machines going. Would like to add windows but not sure which video I should follow to do so. Seems complicated and could be 50/50 type outcome
If you're trying to install Windows directly on the Mac Pro, it's a little complicated because you need to customize the loader. If you have a spare PC hanging around, the method I show in the video should be MUCH easier. You just set the BIOS settings on the PC like shown, install Windows normally (don't connect to the internet/activate/etc yet), and once install finishes move the drive over to the Mac. If you managed to do the 1,1 to 2,1 upgrade, Windows should be easy :)
@@rebootretrohad to rewatch video 5:35 I imagine this point what your comment refers to. Don't have a PC 😞 but I do have a toughbook that runs windows but it's for work.
Is it possible to do this without directly affecting the toughbook OS?
@@bxvideony You have to install the Mac hard drive into the PC, so your work almost certainly won't like that :(
If you can find even an old PC to borrow, you should be able to do it. If you're doing Windows 10, you should be able to use a Core 2 or first generation Core i system - people are literally giving these away at this point.
In your case, a custom installer and direct install on Mac is probably the best option, unfortunately. I looked into it - it did not seem very hard, but just a hassle. If you got the other upgrades so far, I'm sure you could figure it out. :)
@@rebootretro appreciated, thanks again.
Another Great, Anti Apple, Video!
Intel has an entire series of low power clovertown chips; you can drop your CPU power draw to 50 to 100 watts.
Ponerle xeon mejores a tope de ram y video podría ser o para museo
I detest apple and 99% of everything they make from just about every metric, HOWEVER this is one of the best looking computer chassis of all time and I absolutely adore the brutalist minimalism of the whole thing. This and the Sun Ultra 45 Workstation.
It has a little bit of an industrial design look to it, doesn't it. Apple likes to change up designs so often, its surprising how long they've kept this one!
Horrifically energy wasteful.
Recycle
it requires more energy to build a new computer genius
@@kinglumpy6145maybe if this computer was only being run for one day
I'm paying for that energy I'll waste it if I want to Gretta.
@@dragonballjiujitsu remember you said that when power is no longer so cheap...
@@looneyburgmusic Power is not exactly cheap now.