Yeah also, how is this any worse than the sort of stuff shown in other Disney movies of this era? Censorship is so inconsistent. Lion King was only one year earlier.
Am I the only one who found this both unsettling....and kind of funny at the same time? I don't know the idea of settlers proudly and un-ironically standing atop the scorched remains of a once great forest kind of me chuckle in "crosses the line twice" sort of way.
You're not the only one my friend...for the first few seconds I thought but it's just like the movie then the ending came...I was so shocked that I actually chuckled to myself.
Incredible. How the difference of literally one camera angle can change the mood completely. Such a shame they cut this. It would’ve made Colors of the Wind that much more meaningful.
It's the quiet sound of desolation and wind at the end that evokes a very strong negative feeling combined with the grey, dead colors If it's any consolation once they realize there is no gold they cleared some good land for farming and it only took them one frenzied song and some explosives to do it. It isn't like forest fires didn't happen or native Americans didn't clear land themselves.
@Kagami101 no, disney should take a page from don bluth and realize kids aren't the wimps parents make them out to be. "Kids can take seeing characters go through hardships as long as there's a happy ending" Bluth
Yes, censure everything that we don't like to see and fall to same errors as all nations before as did. We didn't advanced that much from previous generations after all.
I wonder why they considered the test audiences gasping in shock as a bad reaction. Wasn't that what they were going for? I mean it is a very shocking shot. Had me gasping alright. Maybe it was too much for the kids? I don't know. Guess you just had to be there.
The lyrics for the background chorus in this last part of the song are on the subtitles for this deleted scene on the Blu-Ray. They are as follows: So go for the gold/we know which is here/all the riches here/from this minute/this land and what's in it is mine!/hey, nonny, nonny, it's mine! It shows how brilliant the film's lyricists were to write great lyrics not only for Ratcliffe but the background chorus as well.
@robertreturns And let's face it. This movie was NOT FOR KIDS and once the front office realized this, they panicked. The sexual tension between Pocahontas and Smith, adults behaving badly on both sides, the issues of race, colonialization, the environment, etc, this movie really pushed the envelope. If it bothered the front office so much they should have just let the production crew do what they wanted to do and release it under the "Touchstone" banner.
"If it bothered the front office so much they should have just let the production crew do what they wanted to do and release it under the "Touchstone" banner." I agree. In fact, Pocahontas could have been the first TRADITIONALLY HAND-DRAWN Touchstone film.
@Kagami101 actually, the scene is more powerful without the song. I hate test audiences 4 destroying Little Shop's ending and censorship in general 4 cutting 11 minutes from bluth's The Land before time. A viewer should talk with other directors outside the project. Granted ALL films shouldn't be uncut, but it was THE LAND BEFORE TIME. I'm convinced 80's test audiences were complete pansies.
@robertreturns Well, sometimes you can't see obvious flaws in a film because you are in the "eye of the hurricane" and have worked on it for so long that you become dazed to an extent and NEED some outside opinions. But I do see your point. This and "If I Never Knew You" were major casualties that in hindsight were a big mistake. Disney is all about making as much money as possible so artistic vision and gut feeling are often thrown out.
Hi, I was hoping I'd be able to use this clip as an example in an essay. :3 Did this come from the DVD? And where and how did the producers talk about the trial audiences' reaction? Thanks a lot. ^^
ah! i knew it! i always thought while watching this scene that they should have said or showed something about how what they were doing was ruining the beautiful land. of course, they had it originally... they should have kept it. it IS shocking to see it, especially since the song is so.. i guess happy sounding, but the irony of it makes the message sink in better, i think. too bad. ):
This ending would have been so much better! Plus it would have made sense! What was the point of song showing all the destruction and devastation; if we never the end result but Ratcliffe's face?
They should have kept this ending. It makes the song's point perfectly, and it's funny and unnerving at the same time. Bizarre that they cut something so tame, and then released freaking HUNCHBACK the following year.
I think they should have included it, the point of pocahontas was to show the devastation caused to the natives and their land. I think the more shocking the better, because far worse happened to the poor native americans
It made test audiences gasp in shock? THAT'S THE WHOLE DAMN POINT!!!! Such idiots to cut this.
The film's directors even said this in the Blu-Ray commentary.
@@kennethkappes8666 what exactly?
Yeah also, how is this any worse than the sort of stuff shown in other Disney movies of this era? Censorship is so inconsistent. Lion King was only one year earlier.
Am I the only one who found this both unsettling....and kind of funny at the same time? I don't know the idea of settlers proudly and un-ironically standing atop the scorched remains of a once great forest kind of me chuckle in "crosses the line twice" sort of way.
You're not the only one my friend...for the first few seconds I thought but it's just like the movie then the ending came...I was so shocked that I actually chuckled to myself.
Nope.
I found it funny because it has that Looney Tunes feel.
Wow. The amount of devastation and the sheer indifference Ratcliffe has for it are just incredible. Even after such an upbeat musical number.
Incredible. How the difference of literally one camera angle can change the mood completely. Such a shame they cut this. It would’ve made Colors of the Wind that much more meaningful.
It's the quiet sound of desolation and wind at the end that evokes a very strong negative feeling combined with the grey, dead colors
If it's any consolation once they realize there is no gold they cleared some good land for farming and it only took them one frenzied song and some explosives to do it. It isn't like forest fires didn't happen or native Americans didn't clear land themselves.
Look at you, digging up silver linings left and right! 😁 It's true; nitrogen is good for the soil!
@Kagami101 no, disney should take a page from don bluth and realize kids aren't the wimps parents make them out to be. "Kids can take seeing characters go through hardships as long as there's a happy ending" Bluth
Except the ending was bittersweet, not that I hated it, it’s one of my all time favorite films
Yes, censure everything that we don't like to see and fall to same errors as all nations before as did. We didn't advanced that much from previous generations after all.
I wonder why they considered the test audiences gasping in shock as a bad reaction. Wasn't that what they were going for? I mean it is a very shocking shot. Had me gasping alright. Maybe it was too much for the kids? I don't know. Guess you just had to be there.
Honestly, if Pocahontas was produced under the Touchstone banner rather than WDAS, it would have been such an amazing film.
Beautiful. Any way to get this in HD quality?
HOLY ****! That's a lot of devastation! No wonder this was removed.
The destruction at the end makes it funny and is relevant to what they are doing/singing about.
Well, isn't the point to get a shocking reaction from the audience? I would've left this original ending.
The lyrics for the background chorus in this last part of the song are on the subtitles for this deleted scene on the Blu-Ray. They are as follows: So go for the gold/we know which is here/all the riches here/from this minute/this land and what's in it is mine!/hey, nonny, nonny, it's mine! It shows how brilliant the film's lyricists were to write great lyrics not only for Ratcliffe but the background chorus as well.
0:19
Worker: Yeah Ratcliffe I think we just made it worse.
Ratcliffe: I do *not* envy whoever’s gotta clean this up.
You got that from Family Guy?
@@tomboyjessie1352 yeah, still funny.
@robertreturns And let's face it. This movie was NOT FOR KIDS and once the front office realized this, they panicked. The sexual tension between Pocahontas and Smith, adults behaving badly on both sides, the issues of race, colonialization, the environment, etc, this movie really pushed the envelope. If it bothered the front office so much they should have just let the production crew do what they wanted to do and release it under the "Touchstone" banner.
It's very shocking and too accurate to the reality... Sadly :(
Now this is funny at the end. I mean, you see that they dug up a mountain of nothing.
That IS rather shocking, I must sat...
"If it bothered the front office so much they should have just let the production crew do what they wanted to do and release it under the "Touchstone" banner."
I agree. In fact, Pocahontas could have been the first TRADITIONALLY HAND-DRAWN Touchstone film.
@animationfreak1294 yeah, an upbeat song ending with destruction. creepy and surprising. cool also
0:17 that is quite an aftermath.They certainly did quite a number on that magnificent land
@Kagami101 actually, the scene is more powerful without the song. I hate test audiences 4 destroying Little Shop's ending and censorship in general 4 cutting 11 minutes from bluth's The Land before time. A viewer should talk with other directors outside the project. Granted ALL films shouldn't be uncut, but it was THE LAND BEFORE TIME. I'm convinced 80's test audiences were complete pansies.
@robertreturns Well, sometimes you can't see obvious flaws in a film because you are in the "eye of the hurricane" and have worked on it for so long that you become dazed to an extent and NEED some outside opinions. But I do see your point. This and "If I Never Knew You" were major casualties that in hindsight were a big mistake. Disney is all about making as much money as possible so artistic vision and gut feeling are often thrown out.
Where did you find the footage? DVD or Laserdisc?
@Frankie513 Est. 2008 Which one? Gold classic, 10th anniversary, or blu Ray?
Hi, I was hoping I'd be able to use this clip as an example in an essay. :3 Did this come from the DVD? And where and how did the producers talk about the trial audiences' reaction? Thanks a lot. ^^
ah! i knew it! i always thought while watching this scene that they should have said or showed something about how what they were doing was ruining the beautiful land. of course, they had it originally... they should have kept it. it IS shocking to see it, especially since the song is so.. i guess happy sounding, but the irony of it makes the message sink in better, i think. too bad. ):
This ending would have been so much better! Plus it would have made sense! What was the point of song showing all the destruction and devastation; if we never the end result but Ratcliffe's face?
just watched my version, and i got the ugly one with his stupid face all over tha camera. damn, disney, you should have included this one :(
They should have kept this ending. It makes the song's point perfectly, and it's funny and unnerving at the same time. Bizarre that they cut something so tame, and then released freaking HUNCHBACK the following year.
Aw, I like the "blow shit up" version better... :(
I think they should have included it, the point of pocahontas was to show the devastation caused to the natives and their land. I think the more shocking the better, because far worse happened to the poor native americans
This is on Hulu.
I think the ending looked scary somehow.. eery. I can't explain it.
well I get why they took it but I could not see what the end is because I was wondering what ratcliffe's men did at the end
Wait, I think this is in the version on Nextflix.
really? no kidding?
CALJ154 yes
i watched the netflix version a couple weeks ago and i an say its not there
No it's not. I checked. The final version is on Netflix.
Mother Nature will be very furious.
Jeez. Talk about depressing.
@robertreturns no no i agree with them
Watching a movie that sugarcoats colonization of America and shocked by a second of realistic portrait... that is very funny.
i dont think it's scary..ok, it's not a good view for children..but..i dont knot..I prefer the way they put in the movie :)
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@armanias LOL