I'd prefer the Dark Woman entity to be something more symbolic - not that there's literally some humanoid lady out there, but this is more humans projecting their own impressions onto something else, something too horrible to contemplate. Like Nyarlathotep of the Cthulhu Mythos taking on a seemingly human form to disguise how unfathomable otherwordly he truly is, this hallucination is a mask the human mind puts on the true entity, the ultimate source of the black blood accelerant, the goddess of the Aliens.
or not even really a goddess, but due to human mindset... the resulting symbolic showing of the end-result xenomorph is something so alien, vaguely feminine, cold and inhuman in all the ways that both causes instant revulsion, as well as an alluring attention-grab.
@@PrettyTigerlillyaspects of her appearance remind me of Giger's "Li" works, which he modeled after his dead girlfriend. The name even sounds the same.
The woman in the dark is a what if humans fully fused with aliens. Its predicted as the future of "humanity" if Weyland-Yutani gets their alien specimen and creates a real hybrid (It means the end of humanity as its the literal perfect organism wich will wipe out everyone)
I would love the Woman In The Dark to be played by Noomi Rapace. The ultimate evolution of Xenomorphic life synthesising with the Pathogen's radical AI. A unification of David's love of Shaw with his twisted ambition to recreate the perfect organism.
That's an awesome idea, in the Prometheus story, the changes david makes to the neomorph would all stem from Shaws DNA as the source of the first xenomorph. So any human hybrid could conceivably have Shaws facial features as a base 🤔 😮😁
@@MrUnboxerVideos while I like that, I don't personally believe that David created the Xenomorphs. He may have engineered his own caste of the creature, but I believe that the iteration in Covenant was an attempt to recreate the monsters. That said, a little bit of Shaw is in every one of his brood.
@@Dirty_Nero_Main I agree, David is not the character pretending to "invent fire", he seeks answers and uses the knowledge acquired to emancipate himself from his own condition by himself, more like a gigachad androïd if we may say... His given god complex by a blinded fanbase is in fact simple raw superior intellect and the lack of emotion an android has. But his seeming empathy towards Shaw is in fact more a dedication to the hasardous opportunity she allowed him to experience, nothing else. He used her and what he did to her, let's be honest, is a macabre humiliation, like puting a skull on a spike, but here expressed in a more complex twisted manner.
15:39 so just because we see a human alien hybrid as this creature in the dark doesn't mean that's what it actuly looks like, it's just how we're seeing it as a human mind trying to interpret this thing. I don't know if you have played any of the Mass Effect games but there is a really interesting conversation I think it's in ME2, you go into a bar and there are 2 or 3 people at a table watching an Asari dance on their table it's the Turians bachelor party and they end up talking about the dancer and long story short the human turian and the selerian all see her differently with one of them saying that her knees bend backwards just like mine which is completely different to what us as the player are seeing. There is this question of just what do the Asari really look like (slightly ruined in ME3 as we see the banshee which looks kinds like how we see the Asari anyway) as there is clearly some kind of psychic manipulation either willingly or unwillingly to make them more attractive to all who see them. This is kinda what I think is happening with the hivemind, us humans don't have the understanding to deal with what it looks like so our mind is taking the info it can see from it and crafting a human alien amalgamation.
I like the idea of the xenomorphs as The Great Filter in discussions of the Drake Equation. More specifically, as Iris described species encounter the xenomorphs, then try and harness the xenomorphs for their own benefit. Whether they can do that successfully without destroying themselves (arguably the Engineers as described in some Alien tie-ins or Dr. Blue Marsalis), realize that is beyond them and stop, or fail miserably at control and effectively annihilate themselves is The Great Filter. I think the Alien RPG potentially goes into this a bit with the Fullermen, but I have not read the Building Better Worlds supplement that expands the lore on them so I cannot comment further.
I feel like Ridley tried with Prometheus and to a lesser degree, with Covenant and it kinda bombed, sadly. I dont much care for Covenant but for some reason, i love Prometheus, mainly for the lore and the "mystery just out of sight" type feeling. Oh well, cant have it all and at least Alien youtubers have material to use.
The new alien is fantastic. It would be nice to get more tastes of the mysterious xenomorph universe. I'd love for the films to start having an air of mystery that goes beyond the surface level. We all know we will see xenomorphs and face huggers so it'd be great to give us more. Show us the different Queens. Show us this Woman in the Dark. Dont be afraid to deep dive into the Alien universe to give us something new and awesome on the silver screen.
I agree and i feel the predator movies need more thrilling mystery not just creature in the open blasting all the time. I love that but add a bit more fear
They tried to expand the universe and put a bigger focus on the lore in Prometheus and Covenant but for some reason people don't like them xd GOD FORBID a complex franchise dips into other genres to make the story more rich...
I think Ridley Scott has had a grudge against aliens either for not having his involvement or for just being regarded so well. Everything he does seems to try and erase that movie.
@@Cabooseforprez2012 Bro I've been wondering about that for decades at this point. How the Fly F do we have nothing but "Alien" clones but not a single Action movie beyond Aliens. Honestly.. it's why I checked out of the franchise after 3 (3 was garbage and I don't care what anyone says). You might be onto something. Petty for sure if that's the case. Maybe fans need to unite and make our own. I don't know... but yet another Alien clone saddens me.
@@DarkMikaruX afaik there's one? Alien VS Predator? But fans are the loudest to hate about it and claimed that it's not canon? So they simply stopped doing more crossovers like that.
@@MollyHJohns Yeah, I wasn't a huge fan of the crossovers. I'm more talking about the Marines themselves. There were tons of conflicts and even experiments with the Xenos in the books / comics. And none of it has ever been done on the big screen. I'm tired of just the suspense aspect. ALIENS was still the best out of all of them. Hands down. I'm sure I can't be alone on this!
I dont HATE the concept of the Woman in the Dark. To me, she represents the Hive Mind, the Eldritch Construct of the consciousness of the Xenomorph Species in a form our fragile psyche can comprehend. Is it done well? No, not yet, but there are scraps of ideas that can be used.
For sure. The concept of a somewhat humanoid female embodying a hivemind while not original isn't exactly bad. That concept has been floating around for a while and given how Giger uses women as a subconscious fear attached to the Xenomorphs, it's honestly pretty fitting. But yeah, currently she doesn't really stand out too much compared to other hive humanoid beings like Kerrigan from Starcraft or Sil from Species.
It's a Species/Borg combination which I don't really like. We've already seen humanoid hivemind females in media before and I think they can be a little more creative than that. I can appreciate the symbolism but there's room to do so much more.
9:00 - flying insect xenomorphs and facehuggers - this have to be the most menacing and terrible ones imaginable, and probably also the most resistant ones. Just imagine them swarming out like aggressive hornets or bloodthirsty mosquitos, just to attack or impregnate you... They are to small to hit them with bullets and you could'nt squish them either bc of their acidic blood. They would be able to get everywhere with ease because of their size. Simply spoken, nothing would work against them, you would be doomed. Terrifying, indeed!
love it man, I myself have been facinated with a Human Female Xenomorph Hybrid, and the idea did come from this comic series, I am glad you covered this valiantly. subbed.
16:22 I think this makes sense based upon what Weyland Yutani corp. has been obsessed with across the classic alien films, and what the men heard in their dreams in the blood lines comic, compared with the sci fi behind the icarus comic. All of this has happened before and will happen again. The W.I.T.D is a result of the inevitable experimentation pursued by intelligent space faring species after discovering the existence of Xenomorphs. And given that the Xenos have a matriarchal hierarchy, it makes sense that it is a female genetic experiment from the intelligent species that “flies to close to the sun” before plummeting to darkness, that takes the place of an organic Xenomorph queen within the Xeno hive mind. Maintaining both an individual intellect and will while connected to a collective consciousness allows the W.I.T.D. to become essentially a Xenomorph Empress
Cool video. Thanks! Now, let me have my fun, please. What’s the future of Yorkshire in this timeline? 😂 Glad I found this channel. If one thing was missing from the AvP universe, it was a Yorkshire narrator. I am not taking the mick! I’m glad someone who speaks something other than RP narrating sci-fi.
Wait a minute... 1. The "woman in the dark" is first encountered on a planet called Tobler-9 2. A character called Lee (... Or "Li". Bare with me.), who was drawn with weary, half shut eyelids "lost her last traces of humanity" continues to mutate and becomes the Woman in the Dark. Has anyone seen the artwork HR Giger created in the 70s from which the aesthetic of the movie franchise was inspired (or derived)? Li Tobler was the love of HR Giger's life. She was a Swiss actress. Giger created a series of artworks under the name "Li I" and "Li II" in 1974. She committed suicide in 1975. I thought the positioning of Noomi Rapace's head in Covenant was a deliberate tribute. This comic is similar. But I've got no idea who decided to rope more Giger art into a canon pseudo backstory for a character that doesn't exist in the movies. But who cares. I recommend everyone checks out Li I&II and check some of the real story involving Giger's influence and impact on not just the first Alien film, but the whole series.
we never got an explanation for why the xenomorph has a biomech design. it was made to blend in with pipes, wires, circuitry. why?! just seems everyone convenientyly forgot about this.
I would love for the Sil Species to make an appearance. I don't need the woman in the dark to be one of them - but I would love a reboot of the series in the Alien universe!
The one thing that doesnt make any sense is how the android knows all that about the lady in the dark, thats such convenient exposition but where does it all come from.
At face value, it effectively means, as always, that Weyland Yutani knows so much more than they're letting on. The stories we get from the Alien franchise are pocket stories for the most part, with Weyland Yutani being the shadowy figure on a TV screen, so we as an audience are almost always kept in the dark in order to hold onto the mystery. There's a whole lot of ambiguity in the alien franchise that has to just be taken with a pinch of salt, because you're not told enough, but you are made aware that there is an inordinate amount of smoke and mirrors, so you just have to wait on installments to get more pieces to the puzzle.
@@kcop1882 I think yutani has a central ai system that understood the makers from the prometheus movie. Understood what it meant knew more then it let on. Tobler 9 is the first time the xenomorph actually cared to attack synthetics and those ones were smarter then the rest. Improved on through the icaris strain. Others are just basic versions. The synthetics are always the thing that turns on the humans and infects them. Repeatedly.
It's always amusing to be reminded of the desire of certain people to project some kind of dark, cosmological significance onto what is ultimately a simple extraterrestrial animal (well, technically a needlessly overcomplicated animal but nonetheless simply an animal at the end of the day).
I believe that the woman in the dark is a way for the aliens to find a world to prey on people feel drawn to them and in a way calls them to their planet.
I’m assuming lees mutation will continue and the woman in the dark aka xenomorph goddess will posses and take full control of her and morph her body into her own as a way of manifesting herself into the mortal world
I find it somewhat derivative of the Borg Queen in Star Trek. I find the black goo is really a dead end. The more they try to explain xenomorphs, the less interesting they become for me.
I totally disagree I feel like the goo is the best hope for the franchise to live on. I really hope in the future we get some really creative showcases. Maybe we get a show of weyland scientists testing the goo on different creatures. The Xeno is a great design but there can only be so many stories you can tell with just the main strain of genetics we've seen thus far. But this is all opinion speak lol I just want more Alien stuff to watch I don't really care along as they don't get political or too campy.
H.R.Giger had part and or influenced the design of "Cell" from the "Species" movies. Looks like someone wanted to make some kind of cross over story.Some things should stay in the dark.
The woman is the queen mother. The oldest and possibly first queen all other aliens came from. It is extremely intelligent and telepathic. Able to reach out and connect with creatures from across the stars. It's where the hive mindncomes from. It's where the intelligence of the species comes from.
Dam.... This is the coooolest Alien story arc I've ever heard of in my life man.... Fir real.... If you could make a movie script out of this narrative it would be the be most epic, satisfying Alien's film if all time..... You're awesome man this is legitimately genius take on Alien's lore ever created.... And just in a story sbd picture form.... I couldn't imagine how great a theatrical production of your analysis could be....
Reading the comments, it seems the subject is quite divisive. I personally think it's a cool addition. Some distant intelligence that haunts your dreams night after night once you've been touched by a Facehugger is such a chilling concept.
@shaman9024 no information, just nostalgia for the dark seed games. Just saying this stuff reminds me of that more than it reminds me of the species movies. Which were another bizarre fringe version of alien. Anyway in the dark seed games a guy starts hallucinating that he also exists in a dark parallel universe where they implanted an alien parasite in his brain. H.R. Geiger is the common thread. He was an illustrator on all these
I would like the Woman in The Dark to be the manifestation of the Xenomorph Hive Mind, essentially a Lovecraftian intelligence (not unlike the Tyranid Hive Mind from Warhammer 40k)
It’s interesting how she Appears in Human Visions that seem To be Instilled by Her or By the Aliens kinda Reminds me of the first and old Alien comics of Dark Horse where there was a Xenomorph Queen Mother that Throughout the Various Queens Instilled Visions to the Humans on Earth by The Alien Homeworld and make These Kinds of Humans that they Would be the First Xenomorph Cult (that Called Themselves the Church of Immaculate Incubation) Freed the Queen on Earth where She was Held Captive and Started a Massive Outbreak, could This “Woman in the Dark” be a Messanger of the Queen Mother? or even Perhaps the Queen Mother itself? I know this is A Theory, but it’s Possible.
I like the stories like this one that came during the time before Prometheus when everything hadn’t been over explained and the xenomorph still felt like this ancient, eldritch thing that’s been out in the universe eons before man ever entered the scene. They were still very mysterious and that made them an even bigger threat because all we knew was, they reproduce, they kill, and that’s it but there was always a lingering feeling that there was still so much more to them. A history, their own culture, and possibly even a greater motive besides breeding Now we already know and it really makes them kinda flat and dull: engineers made a goo weapon, lost a batch of it during a catastrophe, robot takes jar and runs his own private eugenics project until he makes it. Not nearly as cool if you ask me
The issue which arrises is that humans within proximity to or previously a host for xenomorphs experience a reaction to the telepathic field of the hive mind. The most common rbeing fearful nightmares, as seen in the movies while Ripley was recovering from hypersleep, but eventually it causes a bizaare sense of belonging, kinship or even reverance for xenomorphs as noted by the strange behaviour of the research scientists in Alien Ressurection and even the clones of Ripley herself. This change in the human psyche is more clearly defined in the graphic novels over the years with Dr Church being a particularly notable case. In the Alien: Earth War story the outbreak was accompanied by reports of people dreaming of their loved ones being xenomorphs but still feeling the same sense of love and affection rather than fear. It is unknown if this phenomanon is like a telepathic pitcherplant that is an innate part of the hive mind and facilitates the expansion of the hive by pacifying prey or if there is some conscious effort by the Queens to break the minds of prey to make them vulnerable. In either case, the Woman In The Dark may not actually exist and is instead a new manifestation of this phenomanon which reflects the recent desire of humanity to evolve using xenomorph biology. A false promise that humanity can not just coexist with the hive but even lead it while retaining their humanity in everything but appearence.
They were going in a good direction with the woman in the dark in the soldiers dreams. It was a given way to the alien from SPECIES. Then they just messed it up in the Post apocalyptic comic with the Xenosquito... please...
Not sure if I'm fond of the idea of a Xenomorph goddess, it just feels like it converts them into something more of a stereotypical hivemind like the Tyranids, the Flood, or the Zerg. I prefer the idea of the Aliens just being extremely well coordinated like ants or termites, with the queen acting like a commander to help further coordinate them. If I were writing it I'd make this a possible way the queen's psychic presence could manifest itself in people's minds, since she's already established to have some degree of telepathy in prior media. Plus it doesn't make sense for them to be an outright hivemind given we've seen quite a few cases of Xenomorphs possessing various degrees of individualism throughout the series.
I always liked this, she is what will/could happen if man keep trying to mix the Alien with Human. But I also like how the Prometheus mentioned in this comic isn't talking about the recent movies but something older then man.
What im wandering is if the xenomorph or this entity's perspective is what ai specifically david and walter's view is that to of humanity as a whole. Or if there is an underlying or enhanced dogma to that of David. A desire to perfect or create. If there is a consistent theme of the created wanting to usurp or be THE or a creator. The Xenomorph species being the pinnacle of that ideology in its most perverse way made manifest. If the Woman and black is so incomprehensibly warped and evil because she is the next deliberate phase in the creation of intelligent life or xenomorph variant not as we know it but however it is intended by the xenomorph. From space jocky to engineer to xenomorph and human to AI to whatever the woman in the dark is. Something unfathomabley more unhinged and inhuman in search of its origin story much how humans did through religion or space travel.
I think that the alien goddess will be real one day in the future, its kinda strange even form xenomorphs that people would see the same thing, she maybe the xenomorphs end game.
I like the concept, but I’m not convinced with her transformation in the comic…… I guess somehow she had some ram or fist DNA that caused her head crown and snake too apparently 😂
I like this a fitting to the lore, very lovecraftian. It’s not some sexualized xenomorph/human mutant, it’s a manifestation of their collective hive mind. Those who’ve been one Ted to it are doomed to forever babe that sense of something watching the, searching for them.
I love the name of the black goo. Prometheus's fire it makes me think the engineers didn't create the black goo. They found it. I wonder how many other species have been destroyed by this "fire."
I dont like the idea of her being a real tangible thing. Rather it should be what the human mind is interpreting as either the "Empress" of the xenomorphs, the source queen, or rather just be the manifestation of the hivemind, its not really a humanoid alien, but rather what our poor human psych can do to represent it. Something so far beyond us, the series should have leaned more into the eldritch nature of the xenomorphs rather than the terrible direction its gone in now. I really dont care that Scott himself was behind Prometheus and Covenant, and that is the direction he envisioned for Alien as a series. The universe has moved past him now, and frankly I do not consider ANYTHING related to those films cannon. The whole black goo is such a terrible idea, the engineer was a mystery that should never have been explained. It was all so terrible, all so Scott could do some self masturbatory philosophy 101 slop. The real true cannon of the Alien series, in my opinion goes Alien, Aliens, and a smattering of the books and comics, like Earth War, and Stronghold, Labyrinth, Colonial Marines. Ill even throw in the games Isolation, and Dark Descent for great entrees into canon, but not Prometheus or Covenant, Romulus, 3, or Resurrection. Never those, not only are they all terrible films as an alien fan, but even if I wasnt, they are terrible films outside of being related to aliens.
I'm cool with the idea, but the design of the Woman in the Dark is terrible. She has a literal snake head as a crown. I also liked it much more before there was even a concrete possibility of her actually existing. A shared fever dream brought on by hosting a xenomorph, is thought provoking. Seeing her, or something that is strongly implied to be her, kind of ruins the mystery.
@@kingol4801 The problem isn’t that people add things to the lore, it is that they add things that are poorly thought out, contradict or erase elements that made the original great and clearly show the hand of the author in a way that breaks immersion. Like this ‘lady in the dark’ concept doesn’t seem like the authors included it because they thought it would fit into the alien universe or that they thought it was particularly frightening or unsettling, to me it just seems like it was a lazy excuse for the artist to draw a bunch of Giger’s sexy naked ‘biomechanical’ women and call it ‘horror’.
I love that someone made a video about something this obscure and this thinly conceptualized. I'm reminded of the original Transformers™ series and how, despite it's vapidity, every generation since has tried to create a lore that feels as substantial as it's protagonist are cool to look at, and I feel the same could be said of the ALIEN™ canon, especially outside of the first two films. The graphic novels are great, but they're all over the place. In truth, ALIEN™ has never enjoyed the same top-down creative cohesion as the MCU or STAR WARS™, and that lack of guiding oversight makes for a mess of a mythos, which leaves enchanted readers struggling to make connections that the writers should have, but never did.
@@coreyander286It kind of works for Star Wars though because most of it’s DNA comes from campy pulp sci-fi-fantasy adventure novels/comics that weren’t afraid of adding nonsense as long as it was cool and fun.
Such a silly concept. Just because xenomorphs have a 'hive mentality' doesnt mean you need to have a humanoid queen with feminine features. Feels like they're just copying the Borg.
I rather like this addition. It's something that's not immediately explainable biologically speaking. Has almost a bit of a supernatural cosmic horror which the franchise has had but has severely diminished since the first movie.
I think a lot of the distaste comes from the fact she looks so much like just a Kerrigan rip off. Which too a lot of people was never really what the fun of the Alien Franchise and H.R.Gigers works were about.
I rather like it because it only is a little Species not too much. Like this is the destiny intended for failed creations. More Humanoid Aliens as a cut above.
Fun video. I sub'd. The subject was cool, but I will always prefer lore that keeps humans away from any importance or connection with the alien history, biology, creation or hierarchy. A Lovecraftian backdrop should always cover this creature. It should remain older than we can imagine, with origins we cant guess at, an unknowable reason for existence and humans should represent nothing more than biological materials.
I'd prefer the Dark Woman entity to be something more symbolic - not that there's literally some humanoid lady out there, but this is more humans projecting their own impressions onto something else, something too horrible to contemplate. Like Nyarlathotep of the Cthulhu Mythos taking on a seemingly human form to disguise how unfathomable otherwordly he truly is, this hallucination is a mask the human mind puts on the true entity, the ultimate source of the black blood accelerant, the goddess of the Aliens.
or not even really a goddess, but due to human mindset... the resulting symbolic showing of the end-result xenomorph is something so alien, vaguely feminine, cold and inhuman in all the ways that both causes instant revulsion, as well as an alluring attention-grab.
Honestly, it just seems like SIL from the movie Species to me. H.R Giger did design her.
@@PrettyTigerlillyaspects of her appearance remind me of Giger's "Li" works, which he modeled after his dead girlfriend. The name even sounds the same.
Thats super lame, nah.
The woman in the dark is a what if humans fully fused with aliens. Its predicted as the future of "humanity" if Weyland-Yutani gets their alien specimen and creates a real hybrid (It means the end of humanity as its the literal perfect organism wich will wipe out everyone)
I would love the Woman In The Dark to be played by Noomi Rapace. The ultimate evolution of Xenomorphic life synthesising with the Pathogen's radical AI. A unification of David's love of Shaw with his twisted ambition to recreate the perfect organism.
That's an awesome idea, in the Prometheus story, the changes david makes to the neomorph would all stem from Shaws DNA as the source of the first xenomorph.
So any human hybrid could conceivably have Shaws facial features as a base 🤔 😮😁
@@MrUnboxerVideos while I like that, I don't personally believe that David created the Xenomorphs. He may have engineered his own caste of the creature, but I believe that the iteration in Covenant was an attempt to recreate the monsters. That said, a little bit of Shaw is in every one of his brood.
@@Dirty_Nero_Main I agree, David is not the character pretending to "invent fire", he seeks answers and uses the knowledge acquired to emancipate himself from his own condition by himself, more like a gigachad androïd if we may say... His given god complex by a blinded fanbase is in fact simple raw superior intellect and the lack of emotion an android has. But his seeming empathy towards Shaw is in fact more a dedication to the hasardous opportunity she allowed him to experience, nothing else. He used her and what he did to her, let's be honest, is a macabre humiliation, like puting a skull on a spike, but here expressed in a more complex twisted manner.
Her facial structure is perfect for it
Brilliant idea. I loved her and was bummed out they killed her off. My favorite swede
Interesting that the character is called Li as the original painting by H.R.Giger that inspired the woman in the dark was also called Li 1
Yes Li Tobler
Looking at that painting the random snake head on her forehead makes a lot more sense.
Well duh
Why is it interesting if it's absolutely obvious why that name is chosen? Lmao tf?
@@Trepanation21It's interesting this UA-camr and 99.92% of so-called fans haven't the slightest idea who Li Tobler was
15:39 so just because we see a human alien hybrid as this creature in the dark doesn't mean that's what it actuly looks like, it's just how we're seeing it as a human mind trying to interpret this thing.
I don't know if you have played any of the Mass Effect games but there is a really interesting conversation I think it's in ME2, you go into a bar and there are 2 or 3 people at a table watching an Asari dance on their table it's the Turians bachelor party and they end up talking about the dancer and long story short the human turian and the selerian all see her differently with one of them saying that her knees bend backwards just like mine which is completely different to what us as the player are seeing.
There is this question of just what do the Asari really look like (slightly ruined in ME3 as we see the banshee which looks kinds like how we see the Asari anyway) as there is clearly some kind of psychic manipulation either willingly or unwillingly to make them more attractive to all who see them.
This is kinda what I think is happening with the hivemind, us humans don't have the understanding to deal with what it looks like so our mind is taking the info it can see from it and crafting a human alien amalgamation.
I like the idea of the xenomorphs as The Great Filter in discussions of the Drake Equation. More specifically, as Iris described species encounter the xenomorphs, then try and harness the xenomorphs for their own benefit. Whether they can do that successfully without destroying themselves (arguably the Engineers as described in some Alien tie-ins or Dr. Blue Marsalis), realize that is beyond them and stop, or fail miserably at control and effectively annihilate themselves is The Great Filter.
I think the Alien RPG potentially goes into this a bit with the Fullermen, but I have not read the Building Better Worlds supplement that expands the lore on them so I cannot comment further.
I wish the Alien movies would dive a little deeper than they do into this side of things.
I feel like Ridley tried with Prometheus and to a lesser degree, with Covenant and it kinda bombed, sadly.
I dont much care for Covenant but for some reason, i love Prometheus, mainly for the lore and the "mystery just out of sight" type feeling.
Oh well, cant have it all and at least Alien youtubers have material to use.
Not knowing a lot about the alien made it feel more alien. Frankly I wish marvel would stop trying to come up with all these convoluted backstories.
ash droid voice is amazing (Intro) never forget that voice when i was little ,same with bishop
Reminds me of Sil from the movie Species
Same.
Indeed, there are similarities!
it was designed by HR Giger as well
Not unintentional or coincidental, as the xenomorph and Sil are literally designed by the same person.
Maybe a female like Sil is the PROGENITOR of the xenomorphs.
Never for a laugh? The writer clearly never owned a cat!
"Some part of me wants to be found" YEAH WE ALL KNOW WHICH PART AMIRITE
The new alien is fantastic. It would be nice to get more tastes of the mysterious xenomorph universe. I'd love for the films to start having an air of mystery that goes beyond the surface level. We all know we will see xenomorphs and face huggers so it'd be great to give us more. Show us the different Queens. Show us this Woman in the Dark. Dont be afraid to deep dive into the Alien universe to give us something new and awesome on the silver screen.
I agree and i feel the predator movies need more thrilling mystery not just creature in the open blasting all the time. I love that but add a bit more fear
Fantastic is a stretch. Apart from the production value it’s basically just a mashup of every alien movie that’s already come before
They tried to expand the universe and put a bigger focus on the lore in Prometheus and Covenant but for some reason people don't like them xd
GOD FORBID a complex franchise dips into other genres to make the story more rich...
@@imStorm3r Covenant was trash I was done with it when David created the Xenomorphs
@@imStorm3r they’re written poorly. Great ideas that suffer from bad writers. There’s a lot of cool stuff in those movies but nothing feels cohesive.
Sooooo... we have all this lore on the Marines but no other movies exploring their conflict with the xenomorphs. Killing me.
I think Ridley Scott has had a grudge against aliens either for not having his involvement or for just being regarded so well. Everything he does seems to try and erase that movie.
@@Cabooseforprez2012 Bro I've been wondering about that for decades at this point. How the Fly F do we have nothing but "Alien" clones but not a single Action movie beyond Aliens.
Honestly.. it's why I checked out of the franchise after 3 (3 was garbage and I don't care what anyone says).
You might be onto something. Petty for sure if that's the case. Maybe fans need to unite and make our own. I don't know... but yet another Alien clone saddens me.
@@DarkMikaruX afaik there's one? Alien VS Predator? But fans are the loudest to hate about it and claimed that it's not canon? So they simply stopped doing more crossovers like that.
@@MollyHJohns Yeah, I wasn't a huge fan of the crossovers. I'm more talking about the Marines themselves. There were tons of conflicts and even experiments with the Xenos in the books / comics. And none of it has ever been done on the big screen. I'm tired of just the suspense aspect. ALIENS was still the best out of all of them. Hands down. I'm sure I can't be alone on this!
I dont HATE the concept of the Woman in the Dark.
To me, she represents the Hive Mind, the Eldritch Construct of the consciousness of the Xenomorph Species in a form our fragile psyche can comprehend.
Is it done well? No, not yet, but there are scraps of ideas that can be used.
Hate it, Borg imitation, plus does not fit at all. If they push that, will kill this fr.
For sure. The concept of a somewhat humanoid female embodying a hivemind while not original isn't exactly bad. That concept has been floating around for a while and given how Giger uses women as a subconscious fear attached to the Xenomorphs, it's honestly pretty fitting.
But yeah, currently she doesn't really stand out too much compared to other hive humanoid beings like Kerrigan from Starcraft or Sil from Species.
I mean yeah but she has a snake head on top of her head. Any intriguing aspect is completely overshadowed by that goofy nonsense
Seems too much like a Species crossover to me.
It's a Species/Borg combination which I don't really like. We've already seen humanoid hivemind females in media before and I think they can be a little more creative than that. I can appreciate the symbolism but there's room to do so much more.
I never thought about the parallels between _Alien_ and _Species_ before, but man that would be an insane crossover.
9:00 - flying insect xenomorphs and facehuggers - this have to be the most menacing and terrible ones imaginable, and probably also the most resistant ones. Just imagine them swarming out like aggressive hornets or bloodthirsty mosquitos, just to attack or impregnate you... They are to small to hit them with bullets and you could'nt squish them either bc of their acidic blood. They would be able to get everywhere with ease because of their size. Simply spoken, nothing would work against them, you would be doomed. Terrifying, indeed!
5:11 - Was this foreshadowing Alien: Romulus in hindsight? Her words here are spot on regarding one of the movie's plot points 😮
It's what ridley Scott been wanting since prometheusus
love it man, I myself have been facinated with a Human Female Xenomorph Hybrid, and the idea did come from this comic series, I am glad you covered this valiantly. subbed.
Oh, hey. It's Sil from Species.
16:22 I think this makes sense based upon what Weyland Yutani corp. has been obsessed with across the classic alien films, and what the men heard in their dreams in the blood lines comic, compared with the sci fi behind the icarus comic. All of this has happened before and will happen again. The W.I.T.D is a result of the inevitable experimentation pursued by intelligent space faring species after discovering the existence of Xenomorphs. And given that the Xenos have a matriarchal hierarchy, it makes sense that it is a female genetic experiment from the intelligent species that “flies to close to the sun” before plummeting to darkness, that takes the place of an organic Xenomorph queen within the Xeno hive mind. Maintaining both an individual intellect and will while connected to a collective consciousness allows the W.I.T.D. to become essentially a Xenomorph Empress
Plot twist, the woman in the dark is Dr. Church. He finally became one with the hive.
Cool video. Thanks!
Now, let me have my fun, please.
What’s the future of Yorkshire in this timeline? 😂
Glad I found this channel. If one thing was missing from the AvP universe, it was a Yorkshire narrator.
I am not taking the mick! I’m glad someone who speaks something other than RP narrating sci-fi.
As a Southern American accented, I approve of y'all's Yorkshire accent
Wait a minute...
1. The "woman in the dark" is first encountered on a planet called Tobler-9
2. A character called Lee (... Or "Li". Bare with me.), who was drawn with weary, half shut eyelids "lost her last traces of humanity" continues to mutate and becomes the Woman in the Dark.
Has anyone seen the artwork HR Giger created in the 70s from which the aesthetic of the movie franchise was inspired (or derived)?
Li Tobler was the love of HR Giger's life. She was a Swiss actress.
Giger created a series of artworks under the name "Li I" and "Li II" in 1974.
She committed suicide in 1975.
I thought the positioning of Noomi Rapace's head in Covenant was a deliberate tribute. This comic is similar.
But I've got no idea who decided to rope more Giger art into a canon pseudo backstory for a character that doesn't exist in the movies. But who cares.
I recommend everyone checks out Li I&II and check some of the real story involving Giger's influence and impact on not just the first Alien film, but the whole series.
Allow me to say what everyone’s thinking: we all want the Woman in the dark to be Sil.
Who?
@@Zeithri It‘s a movie reference. Sil is the alien/human hybrid from the Species movies.
Some would say „the perfect organism“.
ew, no.
Man! you have way more info than I can ever know! I'm just a colonial Marine but I love learning. Thank you for this channel.
we never got an explanation for why the xenomorph has a biomech design. it was made to blend in with pipes, wires, circuitry. why?! just seems everyone convenientyly forgot about this.
*Survives a nuke*
*Held back by pistol bullets*
1:04 That is Lilith from Diablo-4 . :D
I would love for the Sil Species to make an appearance. I don't need the woman in the dark to be one of them - but I would love a reboot of the series in the Alien universe!
The one thing that doesnt make any sense is how the android knows all that about the lady in the dark, thats such convenient exposition but where does it all come from.
At face value, it effectively means, as always, that Weyland Yutani knows so much more than they're letting on. The stories we get from the Alien franchise are pocket stories for the most part, with Weyland Yutani being the shadowy figure on a TV screen, so we as an audience are almost always kept in the dark in order to hold onto the mystery.
There's a whole lot of ambiguity in the alien franchise that has to just be taken with a pinch of salt, because you're not told enough, but you are made aware that there is an inordinate amount of smoke and mirrors, so you just have to wait on installments to get more pieces to the puzzle.
@@kcop1882 I think yutani has a central ai system that understood the makers from the prometheus movie. Understood what it meant knew more then it let on. Tobler 9 is the first time the xenomorph actually cared to attack synthetics and those ones were smarter then the rest. Improved on through the icaris strain. Others are just basic versions. The synthetics are always the thing that turns on the humans and infects them. Repeatedly.
@@kcop1882 Weyland Yutani is like umbrella lo, surprise they haven't made a resident evil style game with Alien yet.
because that android was reading the engineers info/knowledge in that ship in prometheus
It's always amusing to be reminded of the desire of certain people to project some kind of dark, cosmological significance onto what is ultimately a simple extraterrestrial animal (well, technically a needlessly overcomplicated animal but nonetheless simply an animal at the end of the day).
Never kill for a laugh?
Predatory sea mammals would disagree, but they're too busy being right proper bastards to everything else.
I believe that the woman in the dark is a way for the aliens to find a world to prey on people feel drawn to them and in a way calls them to their planet.
I’m assuming lees mutation will continue and the woman in the dark aka xenomorph goddess will posses and take full control of her and morph her body into her own as a way of manifesting herself into the mortal world
Could you kindly provide the different music used in the background 😁
She looks like she’s from “species” horror alien movies
Another classic Giger design.
I find it somewhat derivative of the Borg Queen in Star Trek. I find the black goo is really a dead end. The more they try to explain xenomorphs, the less interesting they become for me.
A mysteriously fearsome being diminished; sad
My feelings exactly just let it go, it’s not interesting
There hasn't been any mystery since Aliens made them space ants
I totally disagree I feel like the goo is the best hope for the franchise to live on. I really hope in the future we get some really creative showcases. Maybe we get a show of weyland scientists testing the goo on different creatures. The Xeno is a great design but there can only be so many stories you can tell with just the main strain of genetics we've seen thus far. But this is all opinion speak lol I just want more Alien stuff to watch I don't really care along as they don't get political or too campy.
Absolutely agree. The goo has to go. It’s muddling up everything story wise.
H.R.Giger had part and or influenced the design of "Cell" from the "Species" movies. Looks like someone wanted to make some kind of cross over story.Some things should stay in the dark.
all i know is the dark lady told me more about me than i knew myself woahhh
The woman is the queen mother. The oldest and possibly first queen all other aliens came from. It is extremely intelligent and telepathic. Able to reach out and connect with creatures from across the stars. It's where the hive mindncomes from. It's where the intelligence of the species comes from.
not really, i dont think such a "powerful" being would be invested in space colonisation...it wouldnt want to be a space roach
Great Stuff!
Dam.... This is the coooolest Alien story arc I've ever heard of in my life man.... Fir real.... If you could make a movie script out of this narrative it would be the be most epic, satisfying Alien's film if all time..... You're awesome man this is legitimately genius take on Alien's lore ever created.... And just in a story sbd picture form.... I couldn't imagine how great a theatrical production of your analysis could be....
Good job my man 👍🏻
I'd prefer The Woman in the Dark to be something that is not explained.
Reading the comments, it seems the subject is quite divisive. I personally think it's a cool addition. Some distant intelligence that haunts your dreams night after night once you've been touched by a Facehugger is such a chilling concept.
Kinda looks like the monster from Species
It's what alien Romulus should have been
This is why you don't let Marvel use your IPs. They'll fuck it up with stuff like this.
I miss avpgalaxy and it's community!
I hate to be a nerd but the woman in the dark was a conection to the video game universe from the Dark Seed games.
where's your information
Which was based on HR.Giger's art as well, which means there is no actual connection. You are just confusing two things based on the same art.
@shaman9024 no information, just nostalgia for the dark seed games. Just saying this stuff reminds me of that more than it reminds me of the species movies. Which were another bizarre fringe version of alien. Anyway in the dark seed games a guy starts hallucinating that he also exists in a dark parallel universe where they implanted an alien parasite in his brain. H.R. Geiger is the common thread. He was an illustrator on all these
Wasn't there aliens in that game that looked like xenomorphs too? I watched a playthrough and recall seeing something like that.
@@deimosmars3683 yea exactly 💯 a lot of those games graphics were scans from necronomicon 1 and 2.
Where's Raynor, kerrigan?? 😅
Woman In The Dark looks suspiciously like Sil from the movie "Species".
The woman in the dark is a Sil rip off from the Species movie.
She does look an awful lot like Sil.
Species😂
Fun Fact : Giger Design the Species Alien too.
So..... Would?
I was thinking starcraft, with the zerg queen.
I would like the Woman in The Dark to be the manifestation of the Xenomorph Hive Mind, essentially a Lovecraftian intelligence (not unlike the Tyranid Hive Mind from Warhammer 40k)
4:00 so this is where lilith went when Inaruis killed her
Could the Thing absorb a Xenomorph?
It’s interesting how she Appears in Human Visions that seem To be Instilled by Her or By the Aliens kinda Reminds me of the first and old Alien comics of Dark Horse where there was a Xenomorph Queen Mother that Throughout the Various Queens Instilled Visions to the Humans on Earth by The Alien Homeworld and make These Kinds of Humans that they Would be the First Xenomorph Cult (that Called Themselves the Church of Immaculate Incubation) Freed the Queen on Earth where She was Held Captive and Started a Massive Outbreak, could This “Woman in the Dark” be a Messanger of the Queen Mother? or even Perhaps the Queen Mother itself? I know this is A Theory, but it’s Possible.
I like the stories like this one that came during the time before Prometheus when everything hadn’t been over explained and the xenomorph still felt like this ancient, eldritch thing that’s been out in the universe eons before man ever entered the scene. They were still very mysterious and that made them an even bigger threat because all we knew was, they reproduce, they kill, and that’s it but there was always a lingering feeling that there was still so much more to them. A history, their own culture, and possibly even a greater motive besides breeding
Now we already know and it really makes them kinda flat and dull: engineers made a goo weapon, lost a batch of it during a catastrophe, robot takes jar and runs his own private eugenics project until he makes it. Not nearly as cool if you ask me
The issue which arrises is that humans within proximity to or previously a host for xenomorphs experience a reaction to the telepathic field of the hive mind. The most common rbeing fearful nightmares, as seen in the movies while Ripley was recovering from hypersleep, but eventually it causes a bizaare sense of belonging, kinship or even reverance for xenomorphs as noted by the strange behaviour of the research scientists in Alien Ressurection and even the clones of Ripley herself.
This change in the human psyche is more clearly defined in the graphic novels over the years with Dr Church being a particularly notable case. In the Alien: Earth War story the outbreak was accompanied by reports of people dreaming of their loved ones being xenomorphs but still feeling the same sense of love and affection rather than fear.
It is unknown if this phenomanon is like a telepathic pitcherplant that is an innate part of the hive mind and facilitates the expansion of the hive by pacifying prey or if there is some conscious effort by the Queens to break the minds of prey to make them vulnerable. In either case, the Woman In The Dark may not actually exist and is instead a new manifestation of this phenomanon which reflects the recent desire of humanity to evolve using xenomorph biology. A false promise that humanity can not just coexist with the hive but even lead it while retaining their humanity in everything but appearence.
They were going in a good direction with the woman in the dark in the soldiers dreams. It was a given way to the alien from SPECIES. Then they just messed it up in the Post apocalyptic comic with the Xenosquito... please...
Not sure if I'm fond of the idea of a Xenomorph goddess, it just feels like it converts them into something more of a stereotypical hivemind like the Tyranids, the Flood, or the Zerg. I prefer the idea of the Aliens just being extremely well coordinated like ants or termites, with the queen acting like a commander to help further coordinate them.
If I were writing it I'd make this a possible way the queen's psychic presence could manifest itself in people's minds, since she's already established to have some degree of telepathy in prior media. Plus it doesn't make sense for them to be an outright hivemind given we've seen quite a few cases of Xenomorphs possessing various degrees of individualism throughout the series.
Should’ve kept it simple
I always liked this, she is what will/could happen if man keep trying to mix the Alien with Human. But I also like how the Prometheus mentioned in this comic isn't talking about the recent movies but something older then man.
When describing the icharus strain i thought they were describing my cat at first lol
What im wandering is if the xenomorph or this entity's perspective is what ai specifically david and walter's view is that to of humanity as a whole. Or if there is an underlying or enhanced dogma to that of David. A desire to perfect or create. If there is a consistent theme of the created wanting to usurp or be THE or a creator. The Xenomorph species being the pinnacle of that ideology in its most perverse way made manifest. If the Woman and black is so incomprehensibly warped and evil because she is the next deliberate phase in the creation of intelligent life or xenomorph variant not as we know it but however it is intended by the xenomorph. From space jocky to engineer to xenomorph and human to AI to whatever the woman in the dark is. Something unfathomabley more unhinged and inhuman in search of its origin story much how humans did through religion or space travel.
This maybe based on Giger s drawings th Woman in the dark maybe of another species who joined themselves. With. The Xenos
I think that the alien goddess will be real one day in the future, its kinda strange even form xenomorphs that people would see the same thing, she maybe the xenomorphs end game.
Would.
I like the concept, but I’m not convinced with her transformation in the comic…… I guess somehow she had some ram or fist DNA that caused her head crown and snake too apparently 😂
Kerrigan alike
If this "One In The Dark" turn out to be Lilith, that would be insaneeee 👀🔥🍿
I like this a fitting to the lore, very lovecraftian. It’s not some sexualized xenomorph/human mutant, it’s a manifestation of their collective hive mind. Those who’ve been one Ted to it are doomed to forever babe that sense of something watching the, searching for them.
I love the name of the black goo. Prometheus's fire it makes me think the engineers didn't create the black goo. They found it. I wonder how many other species have been destroyed by this "fire."
I like my Aliens to be..Alien.
Someone call Cameron Brink's agent!!!
So did the Engineers create Xenos? Or did they discover the Xenos and harvest the Black Goo from them? I wish someone could explain this to me.
I wonder if his woman is a eldritch/cosmic entity, the xenomorphs to me always looked and felt lovecraftian.
I dont like the idea of her being a real tangible thing. Rather it should be what the human mind is interpreting as either the "Empress" of the xenomorphs, the source queen, or rather just be the manifestation of the hivemind, its not really a humanoid alien, but rather what our poor human psych can do to represent it. Something so far beyond us, the series should have leaned more into the eldritch nature of the xenomorphs rather than the terrible direction its gone in now.
I really dont care that Scott himself was behind Prometheus and Covenant, and that is the direction he envisioned for Alien as a series. The universe has moved past him now, and frankly I do not consider ANYTHING related to those films cannon. The whole black goo is such a terrible idea, the engineer was a mystery that should never have been explained. It was all so terrible, all so Scott could do some self masturbatory philosophy 101 slop.
The real true cannon of the Alien series, in my opinion goes Alien, Aliens, and a smattering of the books and comics, like Earth War, and Stronghold, Labyrinth, Colonial Marines. Ill even throw in the games Isolation, and Dark Descent for great entrees into canon, but not Prometheus or Covenant, Romulus, 3, or Resurrection. Never those, not only are they all terrible films as an alien fan, but even if I wasnt, they are terrible films outside of being related to aliens.
Flippin' Tyranids !! 😅
Looks like the Locust queen from Queers of Whore
Straight up fan fiction just like the games
I'm cool with the idea, but the design of the Woman in the Dark is terrible. She has a literal snake head as a crown.
I also liked it much more before there was even a concrete possibility of her actually existing. A shared fever dream brought on by hosting a xenomorph, is thought provoking.
Seeing her, or something that is strongly implied to be her, kind of ruins the mystery.
This whole “breaks the mystery” are the WORST types of horror fans. You will never be satisfied.
@@kingol4801
I would be satisfied if the Alien series ended at 3 and that was it.
@@kingol4801 The problem isn’t that people add things to the lore, it is that they add things that are poorly thought out, contradict or erase elements that made the original great and clearly show the hand of the author in a way that breaks immersion.
Like this ‘lady in the dark’ concept doesn’t seem like the authors included it because they thought it would fit into the alien universe or that they thought it was particularly frightening or unsettling, to me it just seems like it was a lazy excuse for the artist to draw a bunch of Giger’s sexy naked ‘biomechanical’ women and call it ‘horror’.
I love that someone made a video about something this obscure and this thinly conceptualized.
I'm reminded of the original Transformers™ series and how, despite it's vapidity, every generation since has tried to create a lore that feels as substantial as it's protagonist are cool to look at, and I feel the same could be said of the ALIEN™ canon, especially outside of the first two films. The graphic novels are great, but they're all over the place.
In truth, ALIEN™ has never enjoyed the same top-down creative cohesion as the MCU or STAR WARS™, and that lack of guiding oversight makes for a mess of a mythos, which leaves enchanted readers struggling to make connections that the writers should have, but never did.
Star Wars didn't have great top-down cohesion either. See _Jedi Prince,_ _The Crystal Star,_ the Ewoks cartoon, that rabbit alien.
@@coreyander286It kind of works for Star Wars though because most of it’s DNA comes from campy pulp sci-fi-fantasy adventure novels/comics that weren’t afraid of adding nonsense as long as it was cool and fun.
that reminds me of the alien from species lol
Uh so can we confirm now Species takes place in the same universe as Aliens but in the past? 😂
Species
Does anyone else think the woman in the Dark is Dr. Shaw?
Now add Venom
5:03 - Well that's subtle as fuck.
The woman in the dark would be amazing to see in screen, not a puppet but an actress with makeup
Such a silly concept. Just because xenomorphs have a 'hive mentality' doesnt mean you need to have a humanoid queen with feminine features.
Feels like they're just copying the Borg.
I rather like this addition. It's something that's not immediately explainable biologically speaking. Has almost a bit of a supernatural cosmic horror which the franchise has had but has severely diminished since the first movie.
I think a lot of the distaste comes from the fact she looks so much like just a Kerrigan rip off. Which too a lot of people was never really what the fun of the Alien Franchise and H.R.Gigers works were about.
Looks like game of thrones influencing Aliens series. I love Lore's.
How? I'm really interested on your idea
I rather like it because it only is a little Species not too much. Like this is the destiny intended for failed creations. More Humanoid Aliens as a cut above.
Marvel wrote this perfectly😮💨🔥🔥🔥🔥
Fun video. I sub'd. The subject was cool, but I will always prefer lore that keeps humans away from any importance or connection with the alien history, biology, creation or hierarchy. A Lovecraftian backdrop should always cover this creature. It should remain older than we can imagine, with origins we cant guess at, an unknowable reason for existence and humans should represent nothing more than biological materials.
I agree with the origin mystery. But I'm ok with humans messing around and trying to understand/control/weaponize
This shit is to Aliens as Snoke is to Star Wars (but worse)
I thought the girl in Romulus will turn into her. What a let down. They should stop doing Prometheus Engineer, it was ruined by Fox
Foxtrot uniform Charlie Kilo
This breaks the lore.