LET'S ARGUE: Is It OK to Listen to Travis Scott Now?
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
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It's always OK to support art that speaks to you. No, listening to Travis Scott doesn't mean you support human trampling and listening to the Beatles doesn't mean you beat your wife
What if I don't support beating my wife but I support leaving a dog in a hot car?
Genius point but god damn the disrespect💀
Just because you listen to Led Zeppelin doesn’t mean you support sleeping with 14 year olds
It's ok to leave your dog in a hot car
Big difference between not caring and watching people die and domestic abuse
There's a special place in Hell for those who treat nardwuar poorly
You should watch the Wu-Tang Clan interview, Method Man was the only one who actually answered the questions
There's a reason why sonic youth is largely dead.
@@owl509 RZA answered nicely too.
Personally, I could never get into his work. I get the appeal, but he's just so over the place and genuinely off-putting. I guess a lot of people aren't being rude or mean, they just feel awkwardly. I would feel this way if I was in front of him.
I agree
I think Anthony being annoyed by the memes is pretty reasonable when you consider he’s been looking at them for years nonstop at this point.
And they are stale
@@bigmistqke Exactly. Once you have seen one, you've seen them all. Now everyone follows the formula to try and get free likes (even I have tried before lol)
Yeah I’ve been bored to death by them the past few years I can’t imagine how he feels lol
Thank god Fantano said it’s ok, I can finally listen to Travis again
I base my entire personality and music taste from fantano
@@UnKn0wNStR4ng3rr wait so then this mean u dont like AM? :(
i love to imagine anthony at 4 years old talking about the clifford theme the exact same way to his mom
Hi everyone, Redthony Dogtano here, the preschool's busiest music nerd, and today were going to be taking a look at this new title sequence for Clifford the Big Red Dog. Now, I've been following the stuff PBS Kids has been putting out since my mother first sat me in front of one of their shows two years ago, and as I've said before in my past Show and Tell presentations on the channel, I think they have some bangers, but it's been a pretty mixed bag overall.
@@isaacthered 🤣🤣🤣
@@isaacthered you made my day bro 🤣
I just can't wait to hear his album!.
@@isaacthered feeling a light to decent 6 on this one.
Liking an artist’s music doesn’t mean you support their every action + Youngboy better + ratio + L + Being a youngboy fan isn't just a hobby, it's a lifestyle, a reason to breathe, an escape from this cruel world filled with thieves. It's the fine gift you open on Christmas, a hug from a loved one, everything you've ever wanted, everything you need.
Nah to me the music is not good but not bad at all but i don't listen to him i rather watch isokenny-mp5 but it's ur opinion
@@miezanxkenshin3473 unless it’s XXX or 69 - fantano himself puts down the idea of even listening to the music due to their actions. Even though I would argue neither one of those guys did anything that involved in multiple DEATHS
@Miezanxken Tf kinda artist name is that lmao, Sounds like a leaked song
My favorite misfits song is sung by Michale Graves, a literal honest to god white supremacist
Do I hate that I love Dig Up Her Bones as much as I do? Sure. But I can separate it from his nonsense.
R Kelly and Chris Brown are really the only ones where I am really hesitant to listen to, as hypocritical it may sound. I can’t listen to R Kelly thinking about whether or not his lyrics are talking about his victims/literal children, and Chris almost killed Rihanna.
@@DouglasCarter69 nothing that x even “did” is confirmed and there’s a leaked phone call on the internet between him and his ex where she’s worried about getting jail time for starting the false accusations. i’m not tryna like defend the dude if what happened is true but there’s hella evidence that he never physically abused her. i’m sure he said smth fucked up to her at some points but i don’t think he ever physically laid hands or her
Hey Anthony /srs I was having a really bad trip. It's late over here and I didn't want to wake my partner or housemates up. Seeing your video helped me get through the worst of it. Thx
I hope it's going well now!
im in your walls
im in your walls
Remember to reflect on it and no intense experience will go unvalued ❤️☮️🍄 I too have had some intense trips change after watching UA-cam
It's 4 days later so I can do this now:
NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE
I think Hurley is a great album title / cover as a complete enigma. Probably better than understanding the reference. If I saw a Pixies album with a fat guy on the cover just called "Steven" I have to admit I'd be intrigued.
it's original. I'll give them that
Stephen!
The Guy from Hurley wanted to let you know that he appreciates the compliment!
@@thedogfromraditude5449 Good to know. Could you say hi for me to the creature from everything will be alright in the end?
I still think it’s one of the most hilarious album titles/covers. It’s meant to be lighthearted and fun. Granted I watched LOST when it came out so it has more context for me
Simple answer before watching: Yes
Complex answer after watching: Yes
my conclusión after debating about it for several hours: Yes
Nah to me I'm not hearing Travis Scott's music anymore but i respect y'all opinions
Yes, you can listen to anything you want even R Kelly
@@miezanxkenshin3473 Im sorry for your masochist desire to not experience something you enjoy for a useless, blind and actually not logical purpose
separating the art from the artist is tricky when the art is a direct reflection of the artist. short answer is yes, but if some ppl are put off by it due to the brand of "rage" and recklessness in Travis's music (which ended up killing people) I don't blame them at all.
of course, blame livenation more than Travis tbh. they're more responsible for it than anyone else.
People have to make that decision for themselves, and let everyone else do the same without bothering them for disagreeing.
Idk if Travis’ “brand of rage and recklessness” killed people as much as the poor event planning, lack of medical tents, and water stations did.
I’m not trying to say Travis doesn’t deserve a share of the blame (he definitely does) but the fact that people are boycotting Travis while also completely ignoring Live Nation’s extremely large role in the tragedy is sad.
yeah, agreed, I also don´t know, if there are definite lines that need to be drawn. When it comes to nazis, sex offenders etc. I often struggel with my morality. It is easier of course if it isn´t reflected in the music. Supporting them is off the table with such serious shit for me.
Everyone draws their own line imo, and the only person who gets to draw that line is them. I usually don’t like to monetarily support say, someone who has sexual abuse/rape allegations, but if I already bought the vinyl before that I’ll pop the album on. But again, that’s my line, it may be different for someone else.
travis directly saw what was going on (ambulance lights) and didn’t do anything because he was worried about messing up the “rage” atmosphere. going for that vibe the first place is the issue it’s just promoting dangerous horde mentalities / behavior just so people can jump up an down for an hour. travis music mostly gives me a bad taste now
I like your take on Bob Marley. Same happens with Kurt Cobain and many punk or rap artists where every normie claims to be a fan but might have a worldview these artists tried to challenge.
Also BTBAM's Colors is indeed great!
Re - Travis Scott: There is no right answer. If you want to listen to Travis's music, that's fine, it does not make you a Travis apologist. If you can't, that's fine too, you are not a soft-skinned hater. Everyone has a different ability to ignore or forget what the artist did, a different capacity to not dwell on it.
I find I can separate art from artist in most cases, especially artists who were before my time, but sometimes it's just too heinous. I loved The Lostprophets, but I will never be able to enjoy the music I know I would and could enjoy, if only I wasn't constantly reminded of the utterly horrific things the lead singer engaged with. With kids. I'll leave it at that.
I read about it just now out of morbid curiosity and I need to take a shower wtf
If I heard something like that for the first time before hearing about the band I would most likely not listen to them myself in my opinion yikes
Honestly i have a hard time with this discussion because i don't believe Travis is responsible for this. His one job was stepping out on stage to perform, and maybe being a creative director for the festival. He wasn't in charge of ensuring people's safety during the performance. Paying close attention to the audience doesn't seem to be a given with him due to the whole raging thing. There's somebody behind the scenes that fucked up.
And an animal. Don’t forget that.
We are all inconsistent with separating art form artist when it’s people we like. If you like someone’s music partly cuz u think their character is good, u agree with their politics, great. If u don’t and u separate the two, great. Music is music.
@@draic890 100%, but that doesn’t mean his actions were acceptable either. But yea I never got why the brunt of the blame landed on him, just cuz people needed a fall guy to be mad at so the venue can continue making money? Idk
Thank you for giving me permission to listen to the sicko mode man, I am eternally grateful
Coming up with fresh memes is difficult, Anthony.
He’s so uncaring and cold to us. We’re not just some meme factory melon😓
i’m so happy he mentioned that so ppl can finally be original
@@pddimez8485 good comment but you didnt have to include the addresses, names, and social security numbers of everyone that has ever sent a meme using that format
Memes used to last year's, now they last week's at best
As an artist myself I understand that there’s a separation between the artist and art. No one of my songs represents me as a person. I don’t even emotionally identify with some of my songs anymore, but other people do. The relationship with someone and a song is entirely contained by the listener. The artist has nothing to really do with it. When people say “is it ok to listen to __?” I always say yes, although it is sus af if someone mainly listens to NSBM or other forms of music with bigoted themes lol
Also an artist and I'd say that your experience is not universal, all of my art is deeply personal. I'd also say that for me the line gets iffy when the art does line up with the artist. Travis talking about raging and moshing in songs just is different now that people are dead. Jimmy urine of MSI making pedophilia jokes and using imagery of young women's underwear just is different now that he has been called out for being a pedophile.
That's not to say just don't make art about unsavory things, it's just nessisarly different if you also do that stuff. I also wouldn't want my art to inspire someone to do something awful.
At the end of the day the only thing that matters is how good the music is.
@@hazelschannel162 that's exactly my point, the experience is not universal. I would not judge you at all for choosing not to listen to certain artists for the reasons that you have. I also wouldn't judge other people for still listening to it. I'm not sure how common it is for art to "inspire someone to do something awful" these days. I'm sure most people throw on a Travis Scott song because the beat goes hard, and they don't think about it much beyond that. I wouldn't ruin those peoples' time who are doing nothing wrong by forcing my own moral compass on other people.
And don't get me wrong, my art is very personal. It's just that songs get old and people change over time. And no one of my songs represents my entire being.
all creations are a reflection of that person.
So you be steady bumpin some r kelly huh?
Makes me really happy to hear you acknowledge Bob Marley in this way! Couldn't agree more.
Imagine ur dad is Anthony Fantano and u watch a show with him then he gets up and turns on the camera and starts reviewing and roasting the intro song for its poorly constructed instrumentation
'Imagine Anthony Fantano is your dad' this is it, this is the new meme. A way to get the zoomers on-board.
if the comments are going to get a new running joke we should have something about Anthony's moustache. it's always there, always waiting, but sometimes it's shy and hides real well
it looks like he keeps trying it out and then can't commit. I can relate
already happened. there used to be a bunch of Pizza Hut jokes about his mustache
C’mon? Always there? It’s *BARELY* there
Please no please god no
Thanks for putting the topic that’s in the title early in the video. I appreciate that
I really can’t disconnect the music from an artist because it’s like buying a carpet from a carpet seller who did what happened in Travis’ case.
And I think that’s the whole problem with consumption blindness.
People don’t care anymore where the stuff comes from they listen to, wear or eat.
I listened to Travis so much but now I hear his voice and I feel so weird letting him entertain me with his music when I’m actually so pissed about him behaving like a careless child on stage.
I really don’t understand how it’s possible to disconnect both things and support someone with views and streams when you don’t support the person. It benefits them. And a person having benefits after all of this is not right imo.
bad for you, still gonna bump him tho
I think it depends on how they react later, depending on the way an artist understands their actions, I think it’s fine to still listen to them
_"People don’t care anymore where the stuff comes from they listen to, wear or eat"_
I'd argue people care more now than ever before.
Stop being pretentious
I never knew Kanye actually sang about sensing a picture of his private parts on Runaway. I just thought he sent a picture of his HEY.
😂😂😭😭😭 why do I get that
I’ve been a patreon supporter for over a year because when you initially advertised the let’s argue episodes I pledged and then just forgot about it so now I have an epic backlog I can go back to
Let's argue: The Emaj7 played in the guitar intro to this video is out of place with the 3 previous chords Fantano plays, being G, C, and A. The A sounds like it may be a secondary dominant leading to D but instead Fantano plays an Emaj7, creating a jarring transition that is not smoothed out with any chords after it that might establish why an Emaj7 makes harmonic sense in this context. And then, even worse, he loops it? Light 3. I appreciate the bold direction but I was expecting more.
And even worse, he loops it? Might be my new producer name
“No feel stop learning theory”
I just think people should face some backlash for certain stuff they've done but at the end of the day folks gonna support who they want.
I mean say you do go the separate artist from art route, you still supporting that person financially to keep up with they life style and personal life so idk how that's separating unless you just bootlegging they shit so idk.
You honestly might as well say you dont care and the music too good be honest with yourself instead of making that excuse imo.
Also there are levels for what a person does that would make you stop listening like R.Kelly I can't listen to him cause his personal life is directly connected to his music.
People say well how are people still charting if they're canceled well there will always be a group of people that still supports somebody that's just the world.
You can separate art from the artist or drop it completely. There is no right answer and no one is wrong to do either.
The right answer is yes
He already got dismissed from the lawsuits so L for the Karen’s and the people that tried to cancel him
@@goncalodiniz6867 people criticizing someone for a legitimately bad thing that they did is not people being “karens”.
@@goncalodiniz6867 it's not Karen shit if people died
@@goncalodiniz6867 L for those karen ass family of the victims on me rage on fellow lobotomite!
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I agree here. I see that joke in so many reviews and it's always liked so much that it often beats out legit opinions and great discussion-worthy comments. It gets super boring to see and I am only just scraping the vast melon content surface. I can only imagine how many more times I might see it.
Good take but you didnt have to take off 7 points on your rating just because he used the wrong they’re
@@Nick-eq5oo bro you’re literally just doing what Anthony said he finds unfunny. Idk why you think it’s funny it’s so old and overused
Liked and subscribed
The fact that the replies to this comment have done this exact thing and got tons of likes is so frustrating. Sometimes people just want to have a sincere discussion but everyone wants to be the same guy to do the 180 "twist" joke at the end. It's such a hivemind mentality and it ruins comment sections.
Yet I guarantee someone will reply to me and I'll get ratioed because I didn't follow the circlejerk and they did. Whatever, I just hope someone sees my point.
@@matthewchampion8214 Thought the read more was gonna reveal you were in on the jokes in this thread, but reading the rest of that just killed my vibe
@@Luke-on6of You must’ve been carrying a weak ass vibe then.
Record labels, Hollywood, and the entertainment industry as a whole has bred this idea of pushing the individual, pushing the persona, or pushing a brand rather than focusing on the media itself that is produced by those said entities. Its lead to a culture of praising celebrities for their art rather than praising the art itself. This type of human commodification has soiled what it means to actually consume art. The fact of the matter is that streams are really just a collection of numbers, artists get paid in piss droplets for their streams from a streaming service, the value from the streams derives from influence. Look at how travis scott kickstarted his career, by using botted streams and a way to influence people into giving him a platform for his career. Once an artist loses credibility from perhaps an outside factor, then their streams aren't a justification for influence. I mean, R Kelly has 4.5 million monthly listeners on spotify but he can't do shit with these numbers, it's like the name "R Kelly" has become worthless like a fallen stock price. The whole idea of supporting artists by streaming their songs was pushed by Spotify in order to get people to buy their expensive service, the reality is that as an individual consumer, you practically have no power to do anything to support an artists career. This is why it was never NOT ok to listen to Travis Scott's music, or anyone else's for crying out loud. I understand if you personally are uncomfortable listening to someone's music after something that they have done, but don't abstain yourself due to an economic reason, you don't have the power to affect someone's pocket.
P.S. Although you don't have as much power as a consumer, it should be noted that abstaining from buying merch is the best way to not support an artist. The margins are very high for clothing, they make the most money off of clothes.
There are artists, like Varg Vikernes, who have literally dropped albums whilst in prison for murder. At that point, I think you can listen to whatever you want. For what it's worth, that was in Norway, which has the most consistently effective rehabilitation system in the world. Maybe more prisoners should be making music.
Yeah but at the same time Varg Vikernes is a Nazi and still goes on anti semitic rants on his UA-cam channel
You make some intelligent points. THANK YOU 🙏 FOR THE COMMENT. 👏👏
Tons of rappers have been in prison for varying degrees of crimes and it’s completely supported, people are arbitrary about their filter and that is ok. Listen to what you want
varg is definitely not rehabilitated lol
@@hazelschannel162 Varg is an awful person. Although Norway's justice system overall is excellent, and I think giving prisoners projects of their own helps to keep them out of drug problems and falling into gang violence in prison, and that's an important thing.
Anthony chose the most seductively respectful picture of Arca to post for that answer and I think that earns him big points.
It's a case of seperating art from artist for me. I absolutely think it's understandable that certain people can't bring themselves to listen to his music given his response to the whole Astroworld thing, but I personally don't let a person's public persona get in the way of enjoying anything they've produced, because it doesn't automatically tarnish its quality for me. Same thing with all the allegations around Joss Whedon (creator of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Firefly, writer on Astonishing X-Men, director of Avengers and Age of Ultron). I'm not going to just take back anything I've said about a piece of art/literature/film just because the person behind is a crappy person. That's ultimately on them
Agreed. Same thing with Harry Potter for me
@@AmmarAli1 I would say yes, but especially after how Crimes of Grindelwald and Cursed Child turned out I've basically checked out of being hardcore into Wizarding World. It's not even case of JK Rowling taking the stance she does on certain topics. Her writing has just degraded HEAVILY over the last few years on top of her trying to go back and retcon her own lore to make it seem like certain things were always planned which is stupid
Hogwarts Legacy looks fire though
@@icedcapplord710 Likewise, HL looks fire
that's so cool that you can do that dude! But streaming someone's work and supporting them financially is not just on them
@@GlitzPixie I wasn't saying that. I was saying that any person who decides to be a crappy d-bag is making that decision for themselves. It also doesn't mean I have to just stop admitting that I like said person's work. I totally get if others can't do that, but I've learned to not have a person's persona outside of their products color my judgement of said products. I can absolutely still not condone what said person has done though
For example, I think Kanye West makes really good music. I also think that Kanye West as a person is delusional and ego-centric as all hell, but I'm not going to just blacklist albums like 808s and Heartbreaks or MBDTF from my Spotify downloads because of that because it doesn't change my opinion on those albums overnight, especially since certain products were made before I was given new perspective on them as individuals outside their work
I think this was a very good idea for content. Effectively advertising the type of content you have on your patreon without just insisting it's more of the same thing is an approach I wish other UA-camrs would also employ
I’ve definitely lost some love for Travis but I’m still going to listen to his music. I have listened a lot less since the incident because it didn’t feel right, but as time has gone by I think it’s felt like less of a stain on his actual music and when Utopia comes out I’ll probs be all over it. It’s good to see that even if it’s just to save face, he’s made steps to aid those affected and has been forced into having a better awareness around concert safety. It’s just unfortunate the worst had to happen for this to occur. Lastly, as Fantano said, it’s not like he’s directly responsible for the incident, there were many factors, but he was still completely in the wrong and it may be hard to ever look passed it no matter how much of his music I listen to.
I would never hate on someone for still listening to Travis Scott, but I hope others at least understand my discomfort with him and listening to his music at this point
We don't like Travis Scott but we respect people opinions on Travis scott
Exactly
"At this point" How long tho?
ok if u dont listen to him but dont call his music bad fam
I bet you buy concert tickets from live nation
4 minutes in and he already had to remind us of his views on MBDTF
For some people seperating the art from the artist is harder than others. It doesn't make you responsible for their mistakes if you do consume their art.
You can listen to whoever you want depending on how you feel, like despite what happened at astroworld, travis still makes great music that i’ll gladly listen to. That might not be the case for everyone but to each their own.
That piano riff from the Clifford theme comes into my head at the most randomist of moments. its a good riff
Hi, I’m name is Emily Elizabeth
I heard that the next Death Grips album is taking so long because Anthony won't clear his sample
``Let`s Argue``s Title are asbolutely the best, you get an interesting topic that comes right after the intro, fantano gets the click, nobody gets bothered and life goes on.
I'll always put Can't Say on at a party shit goes hard
I’m glad you mentioned Colors in passing, but please, for the love of all that is holy, give it a classic review.
Amazing record I've seen that live show so many times
let's argue: malcolm in the middle and pete and pete own the top tier of tv theme bangers
I forgot about petted and Pete. That show was the best.
The Malcolm In The Middle theme song was written by They Might Be Giants, so of course it fucking slaps.
Jazz with the matching headstock! Ahh! in lake placid blue? AHH!
I loved this try on haul from fantano. Gotta say the jean vest/hoodie outfit was my fav.
no...no baseline?
*where is my monthly baseline*
I felt awful for astroworld victims, but cant really blame Travis for everything. Feel like he got caught up in his ambitions and started valuing money over fans, which led to him designing astroworld to sell tickets and not for people to have a good and safe time. And while he definitely sold a lot of tickets, he will now have to live with this. This is definitely much worse than Kanye Taylor incident because Kanye could just douchbag his way back into spotlight. And Travis will need to address his issue some other way
If he valued money over his fans, then how wouldn’t it be his fault?
I really don’t give a shit how this affected *him*. He can never sell another record again after this for all I care.
"can't really blame Travis for everything" proceeds to say why it's largely his fault
kanye taylor incident yall still remember something nearly a decade ago ?
@@id1550 its not his fault as a person. He's still a great person and musician. He didnt want people to die. But his brand is stained forever and it should be this way to prevent 100 or 1000 people from dying next time.
Hurley was one of the things that got me to watch Lost. Not that I love the album or anything, I don't think I even keep it on my phone, but had to familiarize myself with the greater Weezer Cinematic Universe.
You should up your game on tv show theme songs Anthony. So many you could pick, c’mon! Westworld, Succession, Sopranos, True Detective, Dark, etc.
I still jam to the “night court” theme song
Deep cut for a favourite TV show theme: "Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors". It's a proper 80s cartoon show, so there's definitely a nostalgia element, but the singer gives off a real strong Chris Cornell vibe.
Maybe you won’t remember but why exactly were the warriors “wheeled?”
It always been okay, how this a question
It’s a question of whether to follow the person or the music
pls do a tier list for movie soundtracks
It’s not that I want to stop listening to his music or that I never enjoyed it, it’s just that listening to it now feels kind of…odd? I’m not sure why, it’s just feels weird
For me it's his whole musical persona being this king of rage which (inevitably) led to this
My dream
@@oliverieee poor festival planning led to that situation
@@TH3FU113ZT exactly. No matter who the headliner is, there's concert organizers that are there who should be directing and keeping the show in check, from respecting time slots to safety. It ain't the artists' job to jump into the crowd when shit is going Haywire, that's the security's job.
thankfully that hasn't happened to me yet, but listening to mafia feels cursed
Never stopped 💀💀💀
I love Weeds theme song Little Boxes and how they used multiple artists version of it.
I don't tell people what to do or think and I can only speak for myself. When it comes to questions like this I try to live in ignorance. Besides their art, I try not to get too involved with stars or musicians in this case anymore cause sooner or later you find out that many of your heros did things that you don't agree with, are jerks to a certain degree and have major flaws. Then again, why should they be different from us. Nobody is perfect and we shouldn't easily judge others. To make it simple, there are certain lines that a cannot be crossed in my opinion. Everyone draws these lines at a different point. For me, when certain lines are crossed I just can't seperate art and artist. I didn't answer the question to that concerning Travis for myself to a 100% yet.
Damm, Iam bad at explaining stuff like that.😅
How could you forget the theme for M.A.S.H. ?
Imagine a billie eilish album produced by trent reznor damn
Trent Reznor is a fucking legend shout-out to Nine Inch Nails also it would make sense Billie Eilish is a big fan of rock
It’d make me want to actually listen to Billie
That would be fucking amazing, I would actually listen to a Billie Eilsh album.
Billie + Sophie would be Bananas! But yeah sadly she passed away... rip sophie.
Billie should work with Johnny Greenwood, idk what will come out of that, but I'm hyped already for something that's not gonna happen
Anthony right about the stale jokes in his comment sections. Y'all gotta come up with something new cos I thought I was the only one noticing how the comments on nearly all of his videos follow the exact same pattern to the point where it's corny and redundant. In the words of a wise woman named Miss Juicy: "Can y'all come up with something else?"
"i really agree with this comment, it made a great point. disliked"
I’m about 12 seconds into this and I will say: Yes. Obviously I will listen to Travthony Scantano’s argument but I feel like he’ll ultimately agree with me.
Edit: also listen to Michael Jackson and R Kelly
Ik a tiny bit of the blame should go on Travis but it was MAINLY LiveNation. But it makes sense to go after Trav instead. People love to go after a famous guy whom the fault doesn't even half go on him then a careless corporation who's fault it mainly is. It makes sense though, it's easier that way
Facts
Then why doesn’t it happen at other peoples concerts yet always at Travis Scott concerts
@@smkxodnwbwkdns8369 this has never happened at any of Travis' pervious concerts. It happened this time because LN didn't hire better/more security and they ere simply just careless. Other concerts with moshpits have better security because the event holders do a better job at that. It's ridiculous that people expect Travis to somehow save all the people in the crowd and stop people from breaking in, it's 1 normal, human guy, who is trying to rap and perform. Crazy that people think that just because somebody is a millionare that they immediately become these mf superheroes with superhuman abilities to sense shit like this or whatever with nobody telling him or giving him signs. Corny
@@Kaz05 That's where your wrong, Travis was also responsible because he glorifies the idea of raging and moshpits etc... For example the man tweeted about it before the show encouraging people to raid security, he also raps about it in his songs, like the verse "It ain't no moshpit if they ain't no injuries". Don't forget when he encouraged fans to stage dive and one of his fans ended up par paralysed. There's also been many occasions when fans have injured themselves trying to bypass security or rage the concert and end up trampling on people. Sure it wasn't Travis's intention for 8 people to die and it was partly due to the lack of organisation by live nation but he was also responsible.
@@ashleybellamy3354 alot of artist glorify moshpit culture and alot of people get hurt. Travis is just bigger so he attracts a bigger audience
Trap lore ross' video put a lot into perspective to me. Maybe I'll let a few songs rock now & then since streams pay dirt, but I def don't feel the same enthusiasm for the music.
I work at a music venue and it’s the venue and performers responsibility to keep the show safe for the audience. They were clearly over capacity.
Those young people who lost their life’s should not be in vein and stricter measures should be taken to protect future concert goers.
When it comes to drugs - the security and venue can only do so much - the audience has to police themselves. After most shows we find a lot of drugs on the ground and people are mixing it with alcohol while being in the crowd with no breathing room.
I’ve been to two Travis Scott shows - one at opera house in Toronto Canada 🇨🇦 and One at a music festival in Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
I had so much fun at both and never felt unsafe - I did wish I was taller or arrives a bit earlier to get a tiny bit closer. He’s a great performer. Hope he remedy’s with the families and supports them infinitely!
You should do a whole episode on the best/worst tv show intro music
Nice review Anthony but you didn't have to rant about "Nice review Anthony but you didn't have to" jokes for 10 minutes.
It is so crazy that you say the Clifford song bcuz I always hated it and you just resurfaced that gem of a memory
Re: the titular topic
I've been thinking recently about whether it's moral to buy albums and singles from artists who are horrible people or who have done gross things in the past. Whenever someone criticizes Spotify and Apple Music because they pay artists horribly, I think that's valid, but what if the artist is 6ix9ine, R. Kelly, Mindless Self Indulgence, etc.? Is piracy a better option in those cases, or should you still pay those artists fairly for their music?
Also, my favorite overused comments are the wholesome yet absurd ones like, "Thank you for picking up my sister from softball practice yesterday, Anthony." Even when they're not funny, I do enjoy seeing them.
For me I think it's if the art being made portrays the actions they did I don't think it's possible to separate things. Like with mindless self indulgence the pedophilia is in the music. Also if they are alive and still acting shitty I don't want to support that, for example JKR consistently donates to anti-trans stuff, I don't want my money going there.
If the music doesn't have anything like that in it I think it's fine. Like Cornelius doing horrible stuff to a disabled person when he was young is not present in the music. But that doesn't nessisarly mean you have to support the guy if you are disabled.
Leave Clifford alone man... actually i watched that show before I learned to speak English so I enjoyed the tune without knowing what the lyrics said, and now I still like it's great
No
The quality of the takes from Patreon is indeed much better than usual twitter takes.
A similar incident happened with a “the who” concert in the 70s and there wasn’t any boycotts
This is actually something I was thinking about the other day. It’s funny that you actually made a video. Thanks Bud.
It’s always ok to listen to music. The whole idea of canceling someone completely for something they weren’t 100% responsible for is incredibly idiotic.
He did have a lot of responsibility in it though. However I do agree with your other points
I do think paying R Kelly’s legal fees by streaming his music might not be Ok
@@abdeljones8132 right, but r kelly was completely responsible for that.
I think even bearing some of the responsibilities for so many people dying is an unforgivable thing. Travis should have 100% lost his career.
Honestly I have been dealing with this issue recently because he features in so many fn songs
Help us o wise one.
same
trust me u listen to songs with rappers on them who themselves have gripped a firearm and killed someone with it.
The thing about "separate the artist from the art" stuff is money, so I'm not doing (if is someone I used to vibe with)
After sooo many years with that Polaris LP in the background it's kinda weird that Anthony didn't mention Pete & Pete in that best and worst TV show theme song question.
I always separate the artist from the art nomatter who it is. I still watch Kevin spacey movies, I still listen to MJ, etc. I don't listen to Travis much but its not gonna be less just cause of the astroworld incident
art is reprentative of it's artist.
Nice Let's Argue Anthony but you didn't have to spend 13 minutes shitting in the overused joke you're currently reading.
Best tv show theme song for me is Goodbye by Apparat and Soap&Skin for Dark. It sold me on the show and is such a great song in general. Listen to it on a regular basis.
Fender Vintera Jazzmaster in Ice Blue Metallic. Very classy, Anthony
I love how Anthony is calling out the dumb commenters with the same joke over and over
I agree that Travis could have done better at the exact moment, but the fact that he is helping families and his new project that he is doing to help people is enough for me. I blame it more on the venue anyway.
Sadly it’s easier for people to blame Travis then Live Nation.
He is Not helping families..
He is just trying to save his career
@@alishatate7940 he doesnt need to worry about his career
@@deanmaddox6855 Im pretty sure he doesnt since he sacrifice his fans for more success, and not be held accountable for his actions, he just needs to hire security for his protection because if that was my child and he got away with it, me and my family would be at every concert he has locked and loaded or hire a professional, so the families of those victims is what he needs to worry about, tired of these celebs not being held accountable for their actions. If the system doesnt do anything, then its up to the public to bring justice to those families
Art vs. Artist: I've struggled with this myself. At this point, having some experience under my belt, I sometimes worry about an artist (no matter the medium) I find myself invested in - I worry that one day it will be revealed that they're a horrible person... and I'll no longer be able to appreciate the art they create. This sounds like a selfish issue, but it's true for everyone. The more removed an artist is from what they create, the easier it may be to deal with - For example, if it turns out that a beloved talented actor is a time-traveling Hitler, well, I'd no longer be able to watch them - because actors, the person, are right there. There's little separating them from their craft. The distance of removal may be a factor. Whereas, if the artist is, say, a sculptor... I don't know. I do have issues. For example, unlike the writer featured in the video, I can no longer enjoy any music associated with Michael Jackson. It's a personal thing - That's also impacted by society. Example, you might not want to say you still enjoy work by [insert artist here] as others will judge you. That's how it often works. Hopefully, an individual has healthy boundaries and a moral compass that works and does what's appropriate for them. Certainly, I wouldn't want to financially support an artist that is an awful individual, nor be guilty by association. For me, it's about what I think and feel. I'm not so sure I care what others think in most instances. It's an interesting topic to ponder. The separation of art from the creator. I tend to fall onto the side of not separating the two. It's not a black and white topic. There are a lot of nuances. I'm all for second chances, if it's genuine.
Treating someone rudely: You don't have to understand or know the context and/or history someone in this arena. There's no excuse for anyone to treat others rudely or be mean to someone. If you do this - if you're a bully, well, you're in the wrong. You're an a**hole. Even if you're dealing with someone you don't like, you can be civil to them. It 100% reflects poorly on you. Here's a wonderful example: Look at almost any debate the late, sorely missed and irreplaceable Christopher Hitchens participated in. Nothing else need be said.
Runaway lyrics: Well, if it serves the song, then it works - even if it's unpleasant. It's interesting because the artist in question falls under the first topic - Artist vs Art. I can't do Kanye. He's just an awful, toxic and dangerous (absolutely) person with seemingly no regard for how his actions impact others. He's terrible... and terribly overrated.
Bob Marley: This is more about Anthony than the topic. I don't appreciate the "white" Santa Clause reference being brought into the equation. Do things like this happen from all people? Yes. That typed, No. Just no.
Albums being named a color: This doesn't reflect well on the writer. It also isn't accurate (Weezer albums aren't all named after a color).
Regarding Coi Leray: Again, there's no excuse for people to be mean to others. Period. This is not recent behavior. Humans have sadly always behaved poorly. Today we just more of it.
the clifford puppy tales theme slaps tho
I have never understood how people who don't understand the concept of separating an artist from their music.
It really depends. For Travis Scott it was a weird situation mostly made by Livenation. It's easy to separate the two.
On the other hand, I find it hard to listen to Brand New because of the whole "this music was written by a p3d0" issue.
@@Mr___f Stargazing and Escape Plan lyrics are pretty poorly aged because of the Astro situation "you will die for the chain on my neck" , "it's not a moshpit if there are no injuries"...
Even though I feel a bit uncomfortable listening to him I don't expect anyone else to completely abandon art that speaks to them for the sake of cancelling someone who did something shitty.
Cringe
@D Rack imagine what your favorite street rapper used to do
Thats the gayest thing ive ever heard "I feel a bit uncomfortable listening to him" like dude what just listen to his music or not thats so weird
What’s uncomfortable about it?
U weirddd af
As soon as you said the cheers theme song I broke down into tears
Just what i needed this morning
hey fantano, hope you’ve been doing well in life.
death grips are mid
as a death grips fan, we know. 👍
facts
your birth was mid
Anyone in the western animation space will know BoJack Horsemen theme dominates ALL.
I have been, haven’t really stopped.
Thanks for the new lore, Antwan. I'll be sure to add much more anti-Clifford imagery to my Melon shrine now.
He's still not doing enough.
It'll be enough when delayed utopia drops
What more do you want from him? He has multiple organizations that he owns helping the families of victims and helping his community (project-heal and cactusjack) he’s doing his best imo
@@jchahda2270 These orgs were set up so he can launder his image and go back to touring ASAP.
@@KassAdya you’re a joke if you think that. Project-heal is an incredible thing Travis is doing to help, if you can’t see that then you’re lost.
I'm still upset about people's reactions to the whole Travis Scott thing. People want to act like they would react perfectly in that given situation. They've never performed in front of thousands of people (especially coming out of social isolation), having to make second to second decisions about something with that much pressure on you. I wish people were more understanding of that instead of jumping to the conclusion that he's a bad person. Maybe he didn't do enough, but when there are that many chemicals going on in your brain, adrenaline ect. You're not thinking clearly. Nobody knows what it's like unless they've experienced it.
Someone tried using Billie as an example. Travis had thousands of people raging and he had little to no control over it. Billie had one person in a crowd of relatively calm people. That one person needed water. The two aren't compatible in the slightest. The crowd (travis) literally seemed like a wave at most points, and when you get into that it's hard for people in the audience to stop. I do think he could've had a better response, but I don't entirely blame the events on him. If anything, I'd blame the audience more.
Yo WHERE did you get that Daft Punk shirt???
I was at Astroworld in the pit, I got trampled. I can still listen to his music but sometimes I just have to stop what I'm doing and hit skip.
I can’t really listen to Travis Scott anymore because the actual content of his music will remind me of AstroWorld as I’m listening to it. Maybe with time and seeing how he continues to respond, that’ll change, but lines like “it ain’t a mosh pit if there’s no injuries” genuinely gets me to just stop listening. Which is a real shame cause I do still love a lot of what he’s made.
well said. plenty other better rappers anyways.
@@jaimeviejo8379 i do like his melodic style though, not a lot of rappers can produce
were you there?
bojack is the s-tier definition of theme song
While yeah I do agree that liking an artist doesn’t and shouldn’t correlate to whether or not were no strangers to love, you know the rules, and so do I. a full comittmets what im thinking of. you wouldn’t get this from any other guy! I, just wanna tell you how Im feeling. wanna make you understand. Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down, never gonna run around and desert you. never gonna make you cry, never gonna say goodbye, never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
I know I’m almost 2 weeks late on the video, but I really fucking like those big, round wire-frame glasses you rock. You’re also a super watchable man.