What the fuck kind of reasoning is that? I saw a parademon so it doesn't matter that the movie takes a shit on my favorite character... As a hardcore superhero fan, that has been watching and reading Batman and Superman for years, this movie was terrible for those characters, and the fact that I got to see a parademon doesn't change that in the slightest. I was so disappointed in this movie.
+aaarsix Ikr? The person in charge of marketing should be fired. The teaser and the comic con trailer were perfect. But the final two gave us everything. I understand the second trailer gave us the Doomsday reveal because they wanted to get ahead of a leak. But if that's the case, they need to seriously tighten their security at ALL of the studios. It's garbage that we are getting spoilers from some idiot in the crew or some extra who decides "Hey, everyone. Look at what I'm working on! Look at what I'm doing!" I am sick of it' I know, in the internet age, it's impossible for anything to be kept secret. But if 10 Cloverfield Lane can be cast' filmed and put together with no one knowing about it until the trailer drops, surely these bigger budget films should be focused on keeping a tighter lid on everything. I don't know who was responsible for the Doomsday leak which led to his reveal in the trailer. But they are a complete and total idiot who did no favors to the fans, and even ruined it for them.
yup... i went into this thinking, "okay so bvs is gonna be a two hour buildup to a fifteen minute batman v superman fight, followed by a twenty minute teamwork villain battle, and then a ten minute ending. and gods dammit, the villain had better not be fucking doomsday..." and you know why i say that? because doomsday could be an entire first justice league movie ending with the death of superman. would that be a fan-service movie? yeah. would the fans love it and pay mad bucks to see it? yeah. doomsday and the death of superman needs more than twenty minutes crammed at the end of bvs! AND IT WASN'T EVEN proper DOOMSDAY! it was some hackneyed, lazy version of #175 doomsday made from zod. you mean you don't have time to cram doomsday's proper origin? then maybe it this movie isn't the right time for doomsday. gods. the worst part is this means we won't ever get a proper live-action, high-budget, well-supported doomsday movie in the dc universe. and that pisses me off.
+Ashraf Anam Are you really that guy? You have one of our generations best story telling writer/directors do his interpretation of Batman and because he when for the most realistic aspect of it. He butchered it? Boo this man!
+Jim O'Neill hard to believe going into cinema to watch two greatest superheroes of all time and being bored.... you literaly need to turn off your brain or you cannot enjoy it
+Zoltan1251 I see what you're saying but it can be boring. I saw it and liked it but there were some boring tedious bits. I think because we see what these films can do (sam raimis spiderman, Nolan's batman, Avengers, X-men) then we have to hold this one to the same standard. It was a good movie but i know it could have been great and that's whats so disappointing.
yeah personally i would have preffered all of the following villains instead: parasite, metallo, and bizarro (all alongside lex luthor in a battle suit)
These critics writing about how there are too many characters and darker tones there are in this film, seems a little hypocritical, wouldn't you say? Considering every time marvel introduce too many characters and dark tones, they write a puff piece editorial, on how successful these characters and themes work.
+Prince G Are you sure? Amazing Spider-Man 2. Films in the MCU mostly does single character films to introduce them before packing them all together. The only movie that introduced that much new characters was Guardians of the Galaxy. But nobody is saying that introducing too many characters is bad, but it's hard to do, and they fail to do it well in BvS. The way they introduced the rest of the Justice League was so motherfucking lazy, nobody used a brain cell to think of that part of the movie.
Ellder Sage I only had one complaint about Tusk. At the end when Wallace comes out of his pen, his wounds from a year before were not all healed. Other than that, it wsa exactly what I thought it would be with some really great surprises thrown in. I mean who was expecting citizen Kane from it ?
It was borderline depressing to watch Kevin, a huge fan, try desperately to like this movie. Dear God, the sadness in his eyes. God bless you, Mr. Smith, I feel your pain.
+Justin Spyres ikr? its even worse that him and ben are good friends. Honestly though afflecks performance was the best thing about that movie and I'm looking foward to the his stand alone batman film and the flashbacks to see how the joker blew up his mansion, killed dick, and see his other villians fleshed out i.e riddler, penguin, killer croc
+Justin Spyres This movie is for intelligent people. I understand that you wouldn't get it. It doesn't hold your hand, you have to piece elements together.
+chris71388 you're joking right? you have to be intelligent? this script was an absolute cluster fuck. only fanboys like you or Kevin Smith would like this movie, absolutely horrible film making
When even Kevin Smith has a hard time finding positive things to say about a comic book movie other than "Superman and Batman were onscreen together," you know you've fucked up.
If Batman is a gun totting murderer in Dawn of Justice... how the hell is Joker alive after he killed Jason Todd? Or are we going to find out in Suicide Squad that Joker also had a mother named Martha?
+Eric “The Law” Coldfire I think Suicide Squad predates the events of this movie - From what we've seen, Joker is dead. Batman killed him and went, you guessed it, batshit crazy.
+Jie Chung I can see that. The problem with DC now, is that they don't know how to do "good" anything that's not Batman. Once or IF they crack the code and we start to see almost flawless or at least marvel level movies in none Batman things, I can see, ppl see past the para demon so to speak and call BvS an average or even bad movie with some cool scenes in it.
+Domtrain yeah, so many fans thought the Phantom Menace was a good movie because of the hype that was built. nobody listened to the critics - and a decade later people had a second opinion. this movie is going to be THAT movie for the current generation of fans.
Kevin, everything you've said is so spot on to how I felt. I went into BvS wanting to love it wholly, but I only loved the things I knew were special moments as a DC fan... On a side note, as a chronically depressed person who's been experiencing the worst cycle in a long time, you have made me laugh and smile. I appreciate that, dude. Thank you, so much.
+Naythan Millya That more like his character to be spouting one liners... dont get me wrong i loved it, but the depictions are comic accurate therefore Supes isnt gonna talk as much
You're talking about the quips, right? So there was no point in him joking around? No point in him fanboying over the other avengers? No point to the quips? You're telling me that stuff doesn't help set Spider-Man apart from the other characters and further develop him as a character by juxtaposing his inexperienced youthfulness with the older more experienced avengers?
+Naythan Millya Read my comment. All it was was a teenager making meaningless quips. While Superman lives in a serious world and is being blamed for the death of thousands and his existence and if he should exist is being questioned. There wouldn't and shouldn't be much talking in it.
No, there should be TONS of talking in it. Especially from Superman, he's being blamed for the deaths of hundreds of people and that's supposed to be part of his character arc that leads to him becoming the Superman we all know and love. It's kinda hard to do a character arc like that when we have no clear grasp of the character's personality since he barely ever talks. Congratulations Snyder, you made a Superman that can frown and look angry. Next time you should try to write a Superman with an actual personality.
Even tho Kevin is a positive guy and was saying positive stuff we cant deny that he was little bit sad talking about the movie, I remember he talking about star wars or marvel movies , he talks with a smile in his face , too bad that the movie didn't make the nerdiest guy in the planet excited :// like most of the nerds I like the movie too , surprising more that than other people, but watching kevin talking all sadie made me see that the movie was just okay
+ChanelDarkSide Yes, I love Kevin Smith and the fact that he doesn't dare to talk shit about the movie, which I think is because he makes such weird, fucked up movies himself that he doesn't feel entitled to tear apart someone else's fucked up movie, especially this one...This movie was really underwhelming and it's sad to see a joyless Kevin Smith talk about Batman and Superman...
The movie is flawed and disappointing to an extent becaise it wasn't all it could have been and the one thing that hurt it most was the pacing on caffeine because it never slowed down to let you process certain scenes and feel the emotional beats.. That also doesn't inherently make it a bad movie even though it had the makings of a masterpiece. It's still good. It has far too many redeeming qualities that are just so well done to say it's bad and anything less than good.
Tyler Worsham Pacing problems, transitioning from scene to scene, no character development, no motivation of major characters, plot holes, Lex 'joker' Luthor, Doomsday ninja turtle, death of Superman storyline ruined, ugh that ending and the list goes on and on and on and ON. Man, it's a MESS. The more you really think about this movie the angrier you get and you realize that this movie is just DUMB. I'm sorry but this is not a good movie at all. If you like it that's ok, I respect that and more power to you. But as a DC fan I was very disappointed, apart from Batman and those cool visuals and action scenes (which are way too short).
I've been Kevin Smith fan for an ages now. I've heard him gush over the Flash, The Winter Soldier, Age of Ultron, Iron Man, The Avengers, Deadpool. I've heard him do a minute by minute reenactment of the Dark Knight Rises! So, to hear him give a somewhat reluctant thumbs up to this film is honestly a pretty damning condemnation!
@@shr00mhead I used to think that, but it seems like Gotham is more Manhattan since it's an island and gets "cut off" now and then from bad guys blowing up bridges.
PLEASE get Affleck on the show and do an old-school Fatman on Batman 2+ hour interview! Really want to hear that dude talk in depth about Batman and his history with the character #AffleckonFatman
+dosduros i hate this movie but this is logic 101 to keep her away from the superman persona as in to keep her away from danger of them knowing that shes his mother kinda like spider-man calling aunt may in front of ppl.
PhatGirlLuva68-ThelastOG to be fair she is a dim wit that also throwed the weapons that can easily kill superman i guess that's why superman has some kind of superboner for her since shes a shallow dump hot girl as in an easy catch also this zack snyder bad story telling he wanted the name martha to be a mark of friendship between the two batmans and and a way to catch the DC fans off guard with that knowledge.
holy shit i just realized while watching this, the scene in man of steel where zod is showing superman the future of his plans where he is being burried by skulls and bones of people that died and he said if you dont join me this is what ill do. that fucking came true, not only did he get killed because of zod and by zod he was burried literally in a graveyard surrounded by bones of humans which he has no real connection to except for his father who is next to him and his mother and lois.
did zod not become doomsday and kill superman if it is only for a little while? did he not say he was going to kill as many people as he could starting with his city? how did what he say not come to fruition
Batman V Superman is a huge disappointment not because it's a terrible movie. But because they had everything they needed to make one of the most fantastic movies ever to hit theaters, and they decided to make a mess instead.
I don't get why people try to argue that it's the DARKNESS that is making people dislike this movie. It's disliked because it's a disjointed mess. Schindler's List was dark but at least I cared about the characters because they had clear motivations and I knew what the hell was happening.
+Andreas Nordvall Too true. The darkness is an aggravating factor though. If you're going to do a dark superman you'd better have a DAMN good script to get us there. So we're stuck with a movie where not only do we have a terrible script, we've got a terrible script that's asking us to buy into a superman who is completely unfamiliar and utterly unlike-able.
I'm pretty sure Batman said "I'm with your son" and not that they were friends. Also, the whole "why did you say that name!" thing Batman did, I think he stopped because at that moment he realized that Superman had a mother just like any other "man" on earth. It made him more human to batman, which is why I think he had a change of heart.
I like the way you are encouraging people to make up their own mind about movies before watching reviews. I totally enjoyed Batman v Superman. I love the dark style DC is using for their movies. It is wonderful that we are getting comic-movies which are very different from the way marvel does them. I think having more variety within all the comic-movies can't be a bad thing.
Agreed, this movie was fucking ruined by the trailers. Zod, Wonder Woman, Doomsday. Imagine how much more badass that first fight scene with Wonder Woman would've been if they hadn't ruined it in trailers.
Nolan did both "light eyes" and "broken mask" Batman, Kevin. He had the light eyes in The Dark Knight when he was using his sonar, and the broken Batman mask was the poster for The Dark Knight Rises.
Should've used Metallo instead of Doomsday, Lex could've turned Scoot McNairys character into Metallo after the explosion, obviously they'd have had to do the explosion slightly different but that's not exactly hard
Eh... Metallo needs more superheroes to draw upon to become truly interesting. Don't know why there needed to be another villain. Luther SHOULD have been the big bad but sigh.... Not with that portrayal
Obviously this is years later, but their first planned villain was Metallo. You can even find official renderings of him that surfaced online. Would have definitely been an interesting take.
+64PageSpecial I love this Batman. I don't mind the killings. But pretty sure he'll ease up little in JL or the other members will have a talk with him. Who knows? Can't wait for the upcoming movies!
+64PageSpecial Might have to do with the people he killed being bad natured people versus someone who is insane and has no true control over their actions.
Edit out all the dream sequences and visions then have it start at the Daily Planet with the announcement of Superman’s state funeral and you get to do a single flashback from Lois at the graveside where Clark’s body has really been buried to the attack months earlier on Metropolis seen from the ground. This gives Bruce a motivation to rid Earth of this dangerous alien and the trouble he brings with him and the collateral damage it creates. Later we see Clark at the Daily Planet wanting to cover the vigilante operating in Gotham whilst Perry wants him to cover some minor story. Then cut to Batman as he frees the women from the sex traffickers, splicing together footage of girls held captive, and the fight he does prior to freeing Martha (as she is no longer taken captive by Lex). This makes Batman look awesome and is his opening. We get the cops investigating and him hanging in the corner of the room like a bat. Kryptonite is discovered in the Indian Ocean and Lex persuades Congress to allow him to make a “silver bullet” to use against the Superman (should he turn evil) and gains permission to import what has been found in India (which is pure mineral Kryptonite). The detective work of Bruce leads him to intercept Lex’s shipment as he feels he should kill Superman now, rather than wait for him to become a hazard. This makes Batman a stronger Superman nemesis than Luthor. He forges various weapons, trains in order to be strong enough to wear the heavy armor, and forges a Kryptonite spear with which to piece the dangerous alien’s heart. There is a long fight at the end of which Superman is incapacitated by Kryptonite gas, and as Batman is poised to plunge the spear into Superman’s heart Lois turns up just in time and calls out “Clark!” And Batman stops as he realises the true identity of this alien is just the costumed persona of the quite reasonable reporter he met at Lex’s party. Superman is Clark Kent and isn’t some distant aloof alien who plays at being a demigod, but a reporter for The Daily Planet with a girlfriend. Batman doesn’t kill Superman, and Superman then uses the spear to kill Doomsday as in the meantime Lex has decided that this alien demigod is a threat to humanity, if not directly, then through association with characters like General Zod. Doomsday kills Superman, then the flashback ends and we see Bruce and Diana at the Kent farm discussing the need to search for more people who have abilities like them (none of which are foreshadowed as each of their origin films would be an independent setup prior to the first of the Justice League movies). The film ends with the soil levitating from Clark’s grave. Hope.
I could listen to Kevin Smith talk about anything....all day. He's got this wise, soothing, bear-like voice. Like he's the guy you'd want to learn the force from, or read you a story to bed.
+Thaal Sinestro But she figured that because he wears a cape, too. Now if only they had figured out they were cape friends before it came to fisticuffs.
+DannyDankTv - Nah. If you have to point out the humor, it isn't humor. Humor works right the first time without explanation. It's sad when I've seen people list the alleged "jokes" in Man of Steel, and they include Martha Kent saying "Nice suit, son". That's not funny. It's a rare moment of warmth. Not the same thing.
I wanted to love this movie. I really did. I tried so hard to love it but sadly im very very disappointed. I cannot describe how hype i was for this movie, ever since that comic con announcement, i have counted each day until march 25 2016. I had so many expectations and they were flushed down the toilet. I absolutely loved Man of Steel, one of my favorite movies ever, and in my opinion also Zack Snyder's best movie. But is simple terms, this movie was a fuck up. Visually, it was fantastic, everything else, shit. It had everything to succeed. Fantastic Cast, BEN AFFLECK WAS THE BEST THING ABOUT THIS MOVIE, THE ABSOLUTE BEST BATMAN. BEN AFFLECK IS THE GOD DAMN BATMAN, THE DARK KNIGHT, THE CAPED CRUSADER, THE WORLD'S GREATEST DETECTIVE. He was one of the only things I loved about this movie, but back to the point, fantastic cast, Henry Cavill is a splendid Superman, Gal Gadot absolutely aced the Wonder Woman role. Amy Adams once again did a great job. The cast was great, its the story that disappointed me. However, i am a hardcore fan, Im still just as hyped for the DC Cinematic universe, especially for the standalone Ben Affleck Batman movie. I just pray that Zack learns from his mistakes and doesn't fuck up The Justice League. That movie will fulfill my childhood dream.
Good review Kevin... But in that moment where they say martha and Bats is loosing his mind, it's not oh my god, our moms names are the same! lets be bros!.. its oh shit, this dudes a fuckin alien... and hes got a mother. who he is scared to loose, which humanizes Supes, brings him off that god pedestal. So not only do they make that connection, but i think it's a little bit of Batman kind of realizing too that he got played by Lex, and he should be smarter than that. All that anger that was feeding the crusade against superman was pointless, he was just to heated to see it.
smh...very disappointed that Kevin Smith still glosses over the "Martha" scene so superficially. Bro, you are way too smart to believe that Snyder and Terrio based that entire moment on the superficial fact that their mothers name Were both named Martha. It extends way beyond that. It was Batman's deepest moment. His self-reflection, his recognition of his errors, and ultimately his redemption. Stop being so...simple. This story was not that simple. Its like you went into this movie and didnt even try to turn your brain on.
Ross Hutchinson I mean it was ham fisted because there was no reason for Superman to say "Martha". The whole film was filled with people who did stuff for no reason. Or for reasons that the characters couldn't possibly know at that time.
kanua5 No. He's say "Luthor is manipulating us both and he's holding my mother hostage to force me to fight you. We need to work together." Also, why was Luthor engineering Doomsday?
Actually, as the Waynes were coming out of the theatre the poster said: "Now Playing: The Mark of Zorro." On the marquee it said that Excalibur would be opening next week.
Ben Affleck was on point as Bruce Wayne/Batman! And I agree 100% that after seeing the Parademons, I was in Nirvana for the remainder of the movie. Enough to forgive some of the Doomsday shortcomings. I really hope Ben Affleck stays on board for more movies and gets some stand alone Batman movies.
this movie was perfect I'm so glad they stuck to the DC formula and didn't try to copy the watered down marvel happy kids movies which are good in their own rights most of the time but just ain't dark DC which I love.
I appreciate that Kevin Smith gave his honest opinion of the movie, flaws and all. He's a really thoughtful and interesting guy to listen to. I liked the movie. It had it's problems but Affleck saved it for me. He is such an awesome Bats.
Great review man... I also enjoyed the movie. Affleck played a cool and sophisticated older Wayne and an awesome Batman. I agree with a lot of things you covered in your review, even the fact that some scenes of the movie I also had 'wtf' moments only to be re leaved they were but dream sequences. The fight scene with the thugs in the warehouse is by far the most physical I've ever seen in any Batman movie, a brutal and powerful display of Batman's combat skills, the fact his body amour was taking an onslaught of bullets (even his cowl) and knives, was a freakin awesome display of choreography. Welcomed back the 'Man of Steel' cast, it was good to see them back playing their roles, a nice continuance of the MOS movie and the destruction from the by-standing point of view which also set the reason for Wayne's eagerness to bring down Supe's. Alfred's dialog is so hilarious, he say's some funny shit in the movie, I like Jeremy Irons portrayal of the Bat-butler, reminded me of the old Alan Napier Alfred, cheeky and witty. Wonderful Woman... as far as her portrayal of the Amazon Warrior Princess, pure awesomeness... still trying to figure out her role as Diana Prince because in the most of her scenes, it seemed like she was trying to conceal her identity, worried about exposure to what or whom I was thinking... maybe a mission went sour in her past which threatened her and her kinds very existence... interesting. I'm glad Doomsday never got the chance to mature or there'd be 10 fucking sequels... they did the right thing to kill him off in the movie... there's plenty more villains out there in the DC universe.
Short version of the review: The writting is weak, character's motivations are all over the place, the characterization is off, Eisenberg's Lex Luthor is cringe-worthy and Affleck looks good as Batman even though he doesn't really act like Batman. But hey, it had 10 seconds of CGI insectoid aliens... so I guess it was good after all!
The Batman parts were great but Affleck needed a Solo movie first man. But the movie was a mess. Come on look at Doomsday for C sake it had no character.
Can people stop misinterpreting the end of the Batman/Superman fight? It wasn't just their mothers' names that made them stop, it was in that moment that Batman saw Superman as a human. Seeing him, within an inch of his life with precious few words/minutes left, only ask for Batman to save Martha Kent. You see, before that moment Batman saw Superman as a cold hearted alien who really didn't have any care for the human race. That "if he wanted to, could burn the whole place down." So for Superman to plead for his mother's life, not his own, gave Batman a new way of seeing him. No longer was he an alien, but a human being. Just as much a citizen of earth as Batman. On the surface it is their mother's names that show some equalities between the two but it takes on a completely second meaning upon second viewings/more in-depth thought. THAT is good writing, right there.
I thought the opening 3 scenes were the best part of the movie. Bruce powerless to protect his loved ones as a child, becomes batman and no longer has that problem until the 3rd scene where again, despite him being batman, he is powerless to protect his loved ones. That was a perfect sequence of scenes
I know you love this universe, Kev, but no, an awful movie doesn't get a pass just because it features a few tidbits that hit you in the fanboy/nostalgia box, and it certainly gets no points on the off chance that future movies might be better. I saw this, and though I'm a fan of all three main characters in the comics, this was the most shockingly inept, flailing, joyless, incoherent mess I've seen on screen in ages.
U know its his opinion. I personally enjoyed it even tho it has many flaws( lex luthor, doomsday cgi, a bit too long, poorly edited) but i still liked it. Ben affleck was amazing. He is batman
Kevin - I agree with you that seeing the Parademon made my day. I was so happy to see a clashing of futures in the dream sequence between the possible Injustice as well as an invasion from Apokolipse. I have a theory for you, regarding the use of Doomsday and the "death" of Superman. Much like the DC Rebirth comics, this film decided to launch from quite a bit of New 52 story arcs. It seemed to me that Snider was quite literally putting to death the Man of Steel film, even though they had launched off of it. He transforms Zod into Doomsday, thus removing the actor and character from future stories and kills the Man of Steel (instead of Superman). That way we can use the great acting and casting of Henry Cavill as Superman and we can have a "rebirth" of the WB film genre of the characters. Besides, now that Kal-El defeated the giant spider at the beginning of the third act of Man of Steel, no need to stay with the old guard on the future films. Anyway, just a theory or idea as to why the use of Doomsday and the death of Superman.
Ch Ad I know but... he was OBVIOUSLY paid up front in my view. Plus, he understands movie making, editing, production, financing etcetera. He surely knows a) that BvS was a mess and b) Why it was so. I'm gonna make this my last KS video.
The Martha scene was the one scene i felt truly made sense. They had the whole symbolism scene throughout the entire movie of god vs man. bat man even made superman BLEED to try and peg him down. The sharing the same mothers name wasn't for them to say hey we have something in common lets be friends! I believe it was at that moment batman realized "hey superman isn't just some prick god who blatantly shows off his powers excessively. he's also a human being" Stealth Vs. Frontal assault Night Vs. Day Man Vs. God Batman Vs. Superman
"This is a movie with the 2 most popular superheroes. If we believe there is even a 1% chance that this movie is bad, we have to take it as an absolute certainty!"
This movie failed because they weren't confident enough to write a proper Man of Steel 2 movie. Instead it got titled Batman V Superman and guess what they failed at that too, because as Kevin says its technically Man of Steel 2. Batman played a role in this movie but he was not the central figure, Superman was. Batman was just one of the people reacting to Superman's presence on Earth. They were so insistent on shoving so much plot into a single movie and inserting Batman wherever possible that they messed up the overall story of the movie. By the end of this movie you were supposed to care about Superman a lot and the ending was supposed to be emotional. His death in the comics is a MASSIVE thing. But the characters in the movie weren't developed enough, not well defined as to who they were and what motivated them to be who they are. Not only did they play the death card too soon, they cheapened it with the floating dust scene. Did you feel any emotion at the death of Superman? NOPE. And then they went and floated the dust because they are scared shitless of taking any chances. So even if you were remotely moved by Superman's death, which is how it was supposed to be...PSYCHE, he's fine. This movie was a serious disappointment. Oh and they should kill off Lois. Seriously just do it.
That's like saying Supergirl season 1 Ep 18 is really Flash season 2 Ep 20. It's like people who supposedly are comic book fans don't understand the concept of crossovers!!! This is like an issue of World's Finest (or you know Batman/Superman) continuing the story after an issue of Superman. People act like they don't know anything about comics!!! Which is fine for the general public, but is just plain stupid for a comics fan like Kevin.
i'm a huge batman fan and i liked this broken batman, who burned parts of his moral code(along with his house!!).i hope they show the moment that broke him, it might have to do with robin/oracle and we may see it in the extended cut. the killing part just makes him all the more scary in this world, if you're a criminal then you wouldn't want to shoot at battfleck whereas other batmen were always weak because the criminals knew he wouldn't kill them.
They showed plenty of moments that broke Bruce. Metropolis, the dreams, the senator getting blown up. But, sure, death of Robin would be fun to see. Especially in a Batman Beyond.
For years Watchmen was at the top of my favorite comic book films list and BvS has finally knocked it down to second place. I absolutely loved this film. Excited for the extended cut in July!
I've never worked with Ben Affleck, so you can't claim bias here, but I agree with Kevin: he KILLED it. My favorite incarnation of Batman so far. And that fight when [spoiler] he goes to save Martha, busts up through the floor, and just *annihilates* the Russian and all his boys [/spoiler] is, imo, the best Batman fighting onscreen. It was fast, hard, brutal, tricky, and looked, to me, exactly like Batman would fight. On the down side, I'm not a superfan of the electro-voice, but it's a HUGE improvement on Bale's bat-voice. Again, imo. So, yeah, I'm onboard with Batfleck.
Scott Rodie It actually is. Both the original 1930s Batman (who carried a gun and dagger and regularly killed bad guys) and the much older, more damaged Batman we see here, in graphic novels, and in plenty of the comics over the years (particularly in the 80s). The more brutal Batman is a mirror of society's struggle with finding the balance between upholding our "good" values and punishing bad guys (the waterboarding/torture debate, eg). In the theme of the DCU, he represents the gray area of the debate while Superman represents the idealistic side and the villains represent the anarchic/chaotic/dark side. If Batman and Superman (and the rest of the JL, for that matter) all represent the same side of the discussion, then who cares? The themes flatten out, the drama loses conflict (other than 2 dimensional good vs bad, which is just childish).
I don't know if anyone caught this, but I felt like B V S was a redemption story for Batman. Batman tells Alfred that all the "heroes are dead" and he lost all hope for the justice system and took a turn to start branding and murdering criminals. The movie shows a scene where Clark gets photos of the branded criminal and sees him dead in those photographs, which eluded to the fact that if a criminal gets branded with the Batman symbol he or she would be killed by other inmates in prison. In the last scene with Batman and Luther, Batman decides NOT to brand Luther, but instead hits the wall with the Batman brand to show that Batman has decided to change because of the heroic inspiration Man of Steel displayed while giving up his life fighting Doomsday. But that's the thing - it took me a SECOND time to understand THAT through line because the film was edited that way. Great ideas, but poorly edited film.
+Jie Chung I've been saying this since I saw the movie. This movie is a great way to show how Superman and Batman need each other to keep the other grounded. Bats is losing his grip on good and Sups is losing his grip on humanity. By seeing the sacrifice that Bruce is willing to give up to fight Doomsday (which he is helplessly outmatched) the Man of Steel learned that Batman is a Hero just a dark one losing his grip. And by Superman giving his life to save humanity (and to save his mother with a dying last wish) Bruce realized that Superman needed to have something to fight for and stay human.
I like that the movie is so dense it takes a couple passes to pull out all the pieces. Complexity isn't a bad thing, well apparently to some people it is.
+Zachary Douglas Yeah they are perfect compliments to each other in terms of different methods of heroism. Sort of like Daredevil v. Punisher, except in the comics Batman never murdered people. LOL.
Such an awesome movie The Martha scene was not stupid it was about Bruce realizing by killing Clark he was just as bad as the man who killed his parents
lets be Super friends! is not what essentially happens in that moment. Throughout the movie Batman uses his motivation as the death of his parents he watches die in front of him. He believes hes doing justice and even speaks about his parents while fighting Superman. Batman is reminded of his own turmoil when he realizes Supermans in need of his help to save his own mother from thugs. How is that a fucked up moment? How thick of glasses do you need to except that perception.
Y'know, to be honest, I LIKE that BvS was more serious. Because it addresses issues that are completely serious and reasonable. But Superman needed to smile. Like holy crap, SMILE A BIT. INSPIRE US like Superman is supposed to!
Agree and I see what your saying. It was really trying for Clark, you save the world and half of it hates you for it. But I agree, just a bit more of that Superman hope. Some more scenes to convey the good the Supes does for mankind
The Martha part is not about my mom and your mom. When the phantom zone inmates ask for Superman in Man of Steel, they say someone has been hiding out on your planet. That is all the info Batman has on Superman. He does not know that he grew up on this world. He realizes that Superman has a stake in this world and that he is one with humanity. the moral of the story is about finding humanity in yourself by seeing the humanity in others in my opinion. The next time you watch the film pay attention to how Superman knows that he doesn't belong; therefore, he does not infer in human on human violence. He is saving people from disasters not from other people except in the cases of the ones he loves. This is why he only warns Batman when he crashes his batmobile. It is more significant than what you think.
+DEADeyeEFFECT I have found that many of the "plot holes" and issues that people have found are based on not paying attention to what is going on. And I am not saying that people aren’t “smart enough” to get it. I think that they have gone in thinking “this is a fun movie, I can shut my brain off and just enjoy it”. Like many of the issues Smith points out, people aren’t picking up on subtext and the clues layered throughout the movie. I don’t know, I suppose you have to blame the film makers for maybe being too subtle or not direct enough, but the clues are there. Case in point, Winter Soldier, which is a terrific film, does all the heavy lifting for both the audience and the characters in the film. Not only do Cap and Widow not have to try that hard to get the info they need, but it’s all cleanly laid out for them in a monologue from a an evil scientist turned into a computer. Of course they say he was stalling so they could get hit by a missile, which they survived by going down 5 feet and covering themselves up with a 3’ wide shield,so its obvious they wanted an excuse to do an information dump on the audience. People take things at face value in blockbusters because they have been trained to. So the Martha sequence, which was loaded with subtext, looks like a farce.
+Daniel Drew I agree, but we have fun movies with marvel. I like the cerebral change that Snyder brings. I like watching movies where each character's point of view is crucial to movie. I hate when a character knows things he shouldn't. Don't get me wrong, the movie had alot of problems: lex, lex's motives, manbat dream, Jonathan Kent acid trip, bad doomsday CGI etc. I really can't give a good review on choppiness without watching the full version. Yeah, they didn't need to build an elevator to get down one floor in winter soldier. "look a secret staircase." those bunker busters really do suck. could not kill two people in a room through 3' of concrete.
This video is my comfort food. I probably enjoy this more than the movie itself. its just comforting and hilarious. I watch and listen to it whenever I'm feeling shitty. thanks so much Kevin, I watch your videos every week but this ones been my favorite. My favorite quote in it "I'm a friend of your son is a bit of a stretch, if he was being honest he should've said I was about to stab the shit out of your alien boy until I found out your name is Martha, my mothers name is also Martha, let's get out of here". 😂😂😂
I'm likely in the minority, but I loved the movie. I liked the darker tone, I liked the more complex narrative. I liked that it took itself seriously. I liked the darker, harder Batman. Sort of reflecting his struggles in Gotham but also reflecting that all his effort hasn't created much change. Batman is obviously suffering from some PTSD... He's in a difficult spot. Superman I liked. He's definitely burdened by a very complex world. The bombing in the capital really gave us an insight of what it is to be Superman. That even in the heart of civilized society, there's chaos... and Superman is always the last man standing... even though he's trying his hardest and while the world burns he has to watch people die. It's a tough reality for Superman. It's a difficult environment to have hope. I liked Doomsday a lot. I find, generally, in the Marvel Avengers movies that the villains are... lackluster. At least Doomsday's defeat comes with the sacrifice of Superman. It's a much better scene than say, the Quicksilver scene in Avengers. Both Ultron and Loki were "meh" villains at best. Loki gets demolished by Hulk in 3 seconds and Ulltron could of practically been beaten by Thor and Vision.... but the other heroes were there for good measure... Which is why I liked Doomsday. Doomsday required Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman and you know if that fight went longer, they would lose. I know they killed Superman quick... but the way I see it, it at least gives Doomsday, as a villain, some credibility as a threat. I mean, when you watch the Hulk in Marvel movies... you wonder why the rest of the Avengers even need to exist....
During the scene when Alfred is working on the voice modulator and tests it on himself, how awesome would it have been if they used Kevin Conroy's voice. The cinema's roof would have come clean off!
I flat out loved this film. Editing and Luthor's motivation was a bit off, but as a dude that's lived and breathed DC books since I was 4 years old, it was like mana from heaven.
"This movie is going to make a billion!" Opps...missed that one Kevin. Although Marvel fans have to be loving that DC fans are still willing to throw enough money at a bad movie to keep WB making more bad movies. WB isn't going to change anything if they keep making money. (See Transformers) Poor Kevin...you are so Phantom Menacing this movie.
the flash looked like he was wearing armour like in the injustice series when he comes through time and speaks to batman for a minute warning him about lois being the key I think it was flash from a alternate universe trying to prevent that future from happening and warning Bruce about. I think that would be a awesome twist and Story to throw in to the mix. I loved the movie batman v superman I thought it was amazing and Ben afflek was the best batman since Michael Keaton it was definately a awesome movie very happy with it amd can't wait for the justice League movie gonna be sick!!!
I liked it alot, unrated version was even better and longer. Explained alot of the beef you had with different scenes. I'm also a fan of this angry superhero genre because life is tough right now and adults have to make difficult decisions everyday. What I like the most about these DC movies is that it represents real people making real choices who just happen to have superpowers or superfriends. For example I think it'd be great for Wonder Woman to have a period during her movie but still have to go to work/fight some alien because real women fight aliens all the time lol. Let's leave Marvel for the kiddies who wanna watch shit blow upwhile people run around in shiny suits. DC's for adults, and that's the way it's supposed to be.
"The Parademon Theory". Awesome. I now have a way to explain the people being blind and forgiving to a movies filled with flaws. I would say its not simply DC fans that it applies to, I'm a massive fan and hated the movie. The Parademon Theory - The theory that people will be overly positive beyond belief, despite shining flaws, simply in support of a fandom above all logic and common sense.
+BlueBloodPenn I can't help but think that applies to Rick & Morty, albeit it being a show and not a movie. Though the word I would use is "Bandwagon Fallacy".
and superman WOULDN'T fall for the gas a second time, that really pissed me off with an audible NO! when i saw it on screen. the fight scenes were also logically stupid
I would have died if, when Alfred was testing Batman's voice modulator, the voice that came out was Kevin Conroy's.
That would have been AWESOME
👍
+UncleSam2028 word my brother!
Yes!
Lame.
What the fuck kind of reasoning is that? I saw a parademon so it doesn't matter that the movie takes a shit on my favorite character... As a hardcore superhero fan, that has been watching and reading Batman and Superman for years, this movie was terrible for those characters, and the fact that I got to see a parademon doesn't change that in the slightest. I was so disappointed in this movie.
STFU
+R.J Williams Fantastic retort.
damn you dumb
well said murasasme
If I may rebutt: parademon.
Kidding; I agree & was pretty disappointed.
Biggest complaint: WHY was everything in the trailers??!
exactly
+aaarsix Ikr? The person in charge of marketing should be fired. The teaser and the comic con trailer were perfect. But the final two gave us everything. I understand the second trailer gave us the Doomsday reveal because they wanted to get ahead of a leak. But if that's the case, they need to seriously tighten their security at ALL of the studios. It's garbage that we are getting spoilers from some idiot in the crew or some extra who decides "Hey, everyone. Look at what I'm working on! Look at what I'm doing!" I am sick of it' I know, in the internet age, it's impossible for anything to be kept secret. But if 10 Cloverfield Lane can be cast' filmed and put together with no one knowing about it until the trailer drops, surely these bigger budget films should be focused on keeping a tighter lid on everything. I don't know who was responsible for the Doomsday leak which led to his reveal in the trailer. But they are a complete and total idiot who did no favors to the fans, and even ruined it for them.
+aaarsix which very much 80% if not 90%
everything wasn't in the trailers . about 3% of the film was shown in the trailers .
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To play the Doomsday card this early was a huge mistake...
+thedrummersalmanac
It wasn't even the real Doomsday which made it even more a mistake. Zod clone my ass.
+Lee Sharp Amen!
yup... i went into this thinking, "okay so bvs is gonna be a two hour buildup to a fifteen minute batman v superman fight, followed by a twenty minute teamwork villain battle, and then a ten minute ending. and gods dammit, the villain had better not be fucking doomsday..."
and you know why i say that? because doomsday could be an entire first justice league movie ending with the death of superman. would that be a fan-service movie? yeah. would the fans love it and pay mad bucks to see it? yeah.
doomsday and the death of superman needs more than twenty minutes crammed at the end of bvs! AND IT WASN'T EVEN proper DOOMSDAY! it was some hackneyed, lazy version of #175 doomsday made from zod. you mean you don't have time to cram doomsday's proper origin? then maybe it this movie isn't the right time for doomsday. gods.
the worst part is this means we won't ever get a proper live-action, high-budget, well-supported doomsday movie in the dc universe. and that pisses me off.
+Akeyla lol... agreed. and love the BSG reference... "gods dammit"
True but all doomsday ever dose is kill superman that's pretty much the only notable thing he dose in the comics
This movie was absolute dog shit. One of the most extreme cases ever of a movie profiting purely on title.
true
+xfactor541 Better than anything Chris Nolan ever made.
+Ashraf Anam I liked BvS, but come on....
broncoroc27
What? You don't think Nolan butchered the comics in his over-realistic movies?
+Ashraf Anam Are you really that guy? You have one of our generations best story telling writer/directors do his interpretation of Batman and because he when for the most realistic aspect of it. He butchered it? Boo this man!
My issues :
Script
Editing
Lex
With all the writers at DC how was this approved ?
+Tyler Burry I wouldn't be mad if they recast Lex.
+Tyler Burry
lois lane shoehorning.
death of superman.
editing.
lex (worst part of film)
I loved Lex. He wasn't a boring stiff business man.
+James Jackson my God. I thought I was the only one who knew who he really was. Tip of the cap to you sir.
I liked Lex. He was evil and scary.
First Superhero movie I was actually bored watching. What a disaster.
+Jim O'Neill hard to believe going into cinema to watch two greatest superheroes of all time and being bored.... you literaly need to turn off your brain or you cannot enjoy it
STFU
STFU
+Zoltan1251 I think what he means is that there were fun scenes in a boring movie that was shoddily edited.
+Zoltan1251 I see what you're saying but it can be boring. I saw it and liked it but there were some boring tedious bits. I think because we see what these films can do (sam raimis spiderman, Nolan's batman, Avengers, X-men) then we have to hold this one to the same standard. It was a good movie but i know it could have been great and that's whats so disappointing.
Spot on review. The film has issues, but Affleck nailed it as Batman. Wished they had saved Doomsday till later though.
yeah personally i would have preffered all of the following villains instead: parasite, metallo, and bizarro (all alongside lex luthor in a battle suit)
I can assure you there.not done with doomsday
I loved the fight but it should've been in a different movie.
Snyder and writers are the problem.
nope..
it was great your just not smart enough to grasp it you little child
Ossie It was bad just bad. Batman save the movie for me. They give too much liberty to snyder, the screenplay was very bad.
+Vincent Marduk screen play was very good
Agreed!
These critics writing about how there are too many characters and darker tones there are in this film, seems a little hypocritical, wouldn't you say? Considering every time marvel introduce too many characters and dark tones, they write a puff piece editorial, on how successful these characters and themes work.
Well played.
👏👏👏👌
+Prince G Are you sure? Amazing Spider-Man 2.
Films in the MCU mostly does single character films to introduce them before packing them all together. The only movie that introduced that much new characters was Guardians of the Galaxy.
But nobody is saying that introducing too many characters is bad, but it's hard to do, and they fail to do it well in BvS. The way they introduced the rest of the Justice League was so motherfucking lazy, nobody used a brain cell to think of that part of the movie.
They also criticize the editing, pacing, and plot. Don't cherry pick facts to confirm some bizarre conspiracy theory.
Well that was cheesey
Ben was wonderful. About 30 sec. in to it I forgot it was him. He WAS Bruce Wayne. Mr. Affleck, you were superb.
Agree 1000%. Best Batman/Bruce Wayne since Michael Keaton - dare I say, if not better? 😏 Affleck KILLED it.
TheIdolSmasher definitely agree he was very intimidating and one scary ass batman
Agreed.
Word
Haha
Yeah for me it was the opposite
All i saw was batman cosplay starring over exposed big dumb face affleck
Your ability to tell a story is beyond impressive.
+U3X6785 That's why he makes money from it
clearly you didn't see Tusk...
+MrMacGee83 Lets see your IMDB credit.......... link please
+MrMacGee83 I thought tusk was pretty funny, dark and weird as shit, but not bad
Ellder Sage I only had one complaint about Tusk. At the end when Wallace comes out of his pen, his wounds from a year before were not all healed.
Other than that, it wsa exactly what I thought it would be with some really great surprises thrown in. I mean who was expecting citizen Kane from it ?
GIVE DC BACK TO KEVIN SMITH!!
yes
+Ricardo Castro give DC to BATFLECK
He understands batman alot better than Zack Snyder does.
+Ricardo Castro How awesome would it be to have Kevin as the showrunner for a Netflix superhero show or even just a web series?
CassandraTroy that would be badass tbh. id pay to watch that universe.
But Affleck was the bomb in Phantoms
+jonathan meyer and Reindeer Games (High Five)
Бen Aflak Шill Never Fill George Кlooney's Бoots
Zombifaction Dare Devil.
...... Phantoms like a mo'fucka.
@@haymaker710😊
It was borderline depressing to watch Kevin, a huge fan, try desperately to like this movie. Dear God, the sadness in his eyes. God bless you, Mr. Smith, I feel your pain.
STFU
+Justin Spyres ikr? its even worse that him and ben are good friends. Honestly though afflecks performance was the best thing about that movie and I'm looking foward to the his stand alone batman film and the flashbacks to see how the joker blew up his mansion, killed dick, and see his other villians fleshed out i.e riddler, penguin, killer croc
+Justin Spyres This movie is for intelligent people. I understand that you wouldn't get it. It doesn't hold your hand, you have to piece elements together.
+chris71388 you're joking right? you have to be intelligent? this script was an absolute cluster fuck. only fanboys like you or Kevin Smith would like this movie, absolutely horrible film making
And no Kevin, having one obscure appearance of a creature does not justify this script
When even Kevin Smith has a hard time finding positive things to say about a comic book movie other than "Superman and Batman were onscreen together," you know you've fucked up.
If Batman is a gun totting murderer in Dawn of Justice... how the hell is Joker alive after he killed Jason Todd?
Or are we going to find out in Suicide Squad that Joker also had a mother named Martha?
+Eric “The Law” Coldfire I think Suicide Squad predates the events of this movie - From what we've seen, Joker is dead. Batman killed him and went, you guessed it, batshit crazy.
It's gonna be Tim Drake as the joker
+Ross Hutchinson well I'm thinking that they steal that from this Batman beyond universe
I'm sad to say that in 10 years, people will say that B V S was the "Phantom Menace" of the DC Universe. :(
+Jie Chung I can see that. The problem with DC now, is that they don't know how to do "good" anything that's not Batman. Once or IF they crack the code and we start to see almost flawless or at least marvel level movies in none Batman things, I can see, ppl see past the para demon so to speak and call BvS an average or even bad movie with some cool scenes in it.
+Jie Chung Im happy to say that you sound stupid.
+Jerome Nowak lol. I'm happy you're happy. your comment made absolutely no sense you child.
+Domtrain yeah, so many fans thought the Phantom Menace was a good movie because of the hype that was built. nobody listened to the critics - and a decade later people had a second opinion. this movie is going to be THAT movie for the current generation of fans.
Moral of the movie:
If your mom's name isn't Martha, Batman will fucking kill you.
+MrDefeater94 lmao
Kevin, everything you've said is so spot on to how I felt. I went into BvS wanting to love it wholly, but I only loved the things I knew were special moments as a DC fan...
On a side note, as a chronically depressed person who's been experiencing the worst cycle in a long time, you have made me laugh and smile. I appreciate that, dude. Thank you, so much.
Checked the name of the Russian: Anatoli Knyazev. That's KGBeast.
Completely flew by me.
Spider Man is only in Civil War for 20 minutes but he has more lines than Superman does in all of BvS
+Naythan Millya That more like his character to be spouting one liners... dont get me wrong i loved it, but the depictions are comic accurate therefore Supes isnt gonna talk as much
There were only about 10 lines from Spider-Man that actually had any emotional meaning or any point behind it.
You're talking about the quips, right? So there was no point in him joking around? No point in him fanboying over the other avengers? No point to the quips? You're telling me that stuff doesn't help set Spider-Man apart from the other characters and further develop him as a character by juxtaposing his inexperienced youthfulness with the older more experienced avengers?
+Naythan Millya Read my comment. All it was was a teenager making meaningless quips. While Superman lives in a serious world and is being blamed for the death of thousands and his existence and if he should exist is being questioned. There wouldn't and shouldn't be much talking in it.
No, there should be TONS of talking in it. Especially from Superman, he's being blamed for the deaths of hundreds of people and that's supposed to be part of his character arc that leads to him becoming the Superman we all know and love. It's kinda hard to do a character arc like that when we have no clear grasp of the character's personality since he barely ever talks. Congratulations Snyder, you made a Superman that can frown and look angry. Next time you should try to write a Superman with an actual personality.
Even tho Kevin is a positive guy and was saying positive stuff we cant deny that he was little bit sad talking about the movie, I remember he talking about star wars or marvel movies , he talks with a smile in his face , too bad that the movie didn't make the nerdiest guy in the planet excited :// like most of the nerds I like the movie too , surprising more that than other people, but watching kevin talking all sadie made me see that the movie was just okay
+ChanelDarkSide Yes, I love Kevin Smith and the fact that he doesn't dare to talk shit about the movie, which I think is because he makes such weird, fucked up movies himself that he doesn't feel entitled to tear apart someone else's fucked up movie, especially this one...This movie was really underwhelming and it's sad to see a joyless Kevin Smith talk about Batman and Superman...
The movie is flawed and disappointing to an extent becaise it wasn't all it could have been and the one thing that hurt it most was the pacing on caffeine because it never slowed down to let you process certain scenes and feel the emotional beats.. That also doesn't inherently make it a bad movie even though it had the makings of a masterpiece. It's still good. It has far too many redeeming qualities that are just so well done to say it's bad and anything less than good.
Tyler Worsham Pacing problems, transitioning from scene to scene, no character development, no motivation of major characters, plot holes, Lex 'joker' Luthor, Doomsday ninja turtle, death of Superman storyline ruined, ugh that ending and the list goes on and on and on and ON. Man, it's a MESS. The more you really think about this movie the angrier you get and you realize that this movie is just DUMB. I'm sorry but this is not a good movie at all. If you like it that's ok, I respect that and more power to you. But as a DC fan I was very disappointed, apart from Batman and those cool visuals and action scenes (which are way too short).
I've been Kevin Smith fan for an ages now. I've heard him gush over the Flash, The Winter Soldier, Age of Ultron, Iron Man, The Avengers, Deadpool. I've heard him do a minute by minute reenactment of the Dark Knight Rises! So, to hear him give a somewhat reluctant thumbs up to this film is honestly a pretty damning condemnation!
Yet he still had to give it up a thumbs up because he can't help but be an ultra fanboy for any comic book movie.
@@JD-Media He’s also pro Affleck, in a big way. Not a bad thing at all, he’s just a good friend 👍
I'm giving batman v superman the phantom menace treatment. My own fucking edit.
+Lsdude420 please do everyone a favor do not spend your money on DC films that would be great .
Nah
Please keep your faith in DC
+Eugenia EasilyObsess that's why they talk about God so much they want us to have faith lol
the blu ray will have the extended cut. 30 mins that were cut out.
I really didn't like that Gotham was across the harbor from Metropolis
"Metropolis is New York in the daytime; Gotham City is New York at night." --Frank Miller
@@sinistar99 Metropolis is Manhattan and Gotham is Jersey.
@@shr00mhead I used to think that, but it seems like Gotham is more Manhattan since it's an island and gets "cut off" now and then from bad guys blowing up bridges.
@@sinistar99 Oh ya, the geographical aspect. I was focused on the cultural aspect.
PLEASE get Affleck on the show and do an old-school Fatman on Batman 2+ hour interview! Really want to hear that dude talk in depth about Batman and his history with the character
#AffleckonFatman
Kevin...this. Please
yeah that would be pretty sweet
+Destiny Berkowitz Especially now that Jennifer Garner no longer tells Ben Affleck to stay away from Kevin Smith!
Why did Superman call martha by her name and not Mom?
+dosduros i hate this movie
but this is logic 101
to keep her away from the superman persona
as in to keep her away from danger of them knowing that shes his mother
kinda like spider-man calling aunt may in front of ppl.
+gtomanga yeah....
+gtomanga And yet Lois immediately reveals that it's his mom? It makes _no_ sense.
PhatGirlLuva68-ThelastOG to be fair she is a dim wit that also throwed the weapons that can easily kill superman i guess that's why superman has some kind of superboner for her since shes a shallow dump hot girl as in an easy catch
also this zack snyder bad story telling he wanted the name martha to be a mark of friendship between the two batmans and and a way to catch the DC fans off guard with that knowledge.
gtomanga All around just badly done.
holy shit i just realized while watching this, the scene in man of steel where zod is showing superman the future of his plans where he is being burried by skulls and bones of people that died and he said if you dont join me this is what ill do. that fucking came true, not only did he get killed because of zod and by zod he was burried literally in a graveyard surrounded by bones of humans which he has no real connection to except for his father who is next to him and his mother and lois.
REACHING!
lol what have you smoked? the neighbors cat? LOL
did zod not become doomsday and kill superman if it is only for a little while? did he not say he was going to kill as many people as he could starting with his city? how did what he say not come to fruition
That scene where Supes saves people in Mexico, surrounded by skulls and bones (day of the dead). Zod's scenario definitely came true right there.
yeah! see thank you
Batman V Superman is a huge disappointment not because it's a terrible movie. But because they had everything they needed to make one of the most fantastic movies ever to hit theaters, and they decided to make a mess instead.
I don't get why people try to argue that it's the DARKNESS that is making people dislike this movie. It's disliked because it's a disjointed mess. Schindler's List was dark but at least I cared about the characters because they had clear motivations and I knew what the hell was happening.
+Andreas Nordvall Too true. The darkness is an aggravating factor though. If you're going to do a dark superman you'd better have a DAMN good script to get us there. So we're stuck with a movie where not only do we have a terrible script, we've got a terrible script that's asking us to buy into a superman who is completely unfamiliar and utterly unlike-able.
I'm pretty sure they used the word God more in Dawn of Justice than Kevin Smith did in Dogma
I'm pretty sure Batman said "I'm with your son" and not that they were friends. Also, the whole "why did you say that name!" thing Batman did, I think he stopped because at that moment he realized that Superman had a mother just like any other "man" on earth. It made him more human to batman, which is why I think he had a change of heart.
+Snapplemonkey He says "I'm a friend of your son's" [unsaid: "Who I was going to stab through the chest with a spear literally 10 minutes ago."]
I like the way you are encouraging people to make up their own mind about movies before watching reviews. I totally enjoyed Batman v Superman. I love the dark style DC is using for their movies. It is wonderful that we are getting comic-movies which are very different from the way marvel does them. I think having more variety within all the comic-movies can't be a bad thing.
Agreed, this movie was fucking ruined by the trailers. Zod, Wonder Woman, Doomsday. Imagine how much more badass that first fight scene with Wonder Woman would've been if they hadn't ruined it in trailers.
GmanLives I love your videos dude.
Nolan did both "light eyes" and "broken mask" Batman, Kevin. He had the light eyes in The Dark Knight when he was using his sonar, and the broken Batman mask was the poster for The Dark Knight Rises.
Should've used Metallo instead of Doomsday, Lex could've turned Scoot McNairys character into Metallo after the explosion, obviously they'd have had to do the explosion slightly different but that's not exactly hard
i didn't dislike like the doomsday plot point but yeah, metallo would have been better
Eh... Metallo needs more superheroes to draw upon to become truly interesting. Don't know why there needed to be another villain. Luther SHOULD have been the big bad but sigh.... Not with that portrayal
Oops, was thinking about Amazo for some reason.
Or Bizarro
Obviously this is years later, but their first planned villain was Metallo. You can even find official renderings of him that surfaced online. Would have definitely been an interesting take.
If Batman kills, why would the Joker be alive?
+64PageSpecial Maybe he just surrendered before being killed.
But was he going to give Superman the option of surrendering? Or did he think Superman was too dangerous to live?
+64PageSpecial I love this Batman. I don't mind the killings. But pretty sure he'll ease up little in JL or the other members will have a talk with him. Who knows? Can't wait for the upcoming movies!
+64PageSpecial He wanted to kill superman to remove the possibility that he could go bad
+64PageSpecial Might have to do with the people he killed being bad natured people versus someone who is insane and has no true control over their actions.
I was really glad to see that the cave troll from fellowship of the ring finally landed another role.
I though the same thing lol
Edit out all the dream sequences and visions then have it start at the Daily Planet with the announcement of Superman’s state funeral and you get to do a single flashback from Lois at the graveside where Clark’s body has really been buried to the attack months earlier on Metropolis seen from the ground. This gives Bruce a motivation to rid Earth of this dangerous alien and the trouble he brings with him and the collateral damage it creates. Later we see Clark at the Daily Planet wanting to cover the vigilante operating in Gotham whilst Perry wants him to cover some minor story. Then cut to Batman as he frees the women from the sex traffickers, splicing together footage of girls held captive, and the fight he does prior to freeing Martha (as she is no longer taken captive by Lex). This makes Batman look awesome and is his opening. We get the cops investigating and him hanging in the corner of the room like a bat. Kryptonite is discovered in the Indian Ocean and Lex persuades Congress to allow him to make a “silver bullet” to use against the Superman (should he turn evil) and gains permission to import what has been found in India (which is pure mineral Kryptonite). The detective work of Bruce leads him to intercept Lex’s shipment as he feels he should kill Superman now, rather than wait for him to become a hazard. This makes Batman a stronger Superman nemesis than Luthor. He forges various weapons, trains in order to be strong enough to wear the heavy armor, and forges a Kryptonite spear with which to piece the dangerous alien’s heart. There is a long fight at the end of which Superman is incapacitated by Kryptonite gas, and as Batman is poised to plunge the spear into Superman’s heart Lois turns up just in time and calls out “Clark!” And Batman stops as he realises the true identity of this alien is just the costumed persona of the quite reasonable reporter he met at Lex’s party. Superman is Clark Kent and isn’t some distant aloof alien who plays at being a demigod, but a reporter for The Daily Planet with a girlfriend. Batman doesn’t kill Superman, and Superman then uses the spear to kill Doomsday as in the meantime Lex has decided that this alien demigod is a threat to humanity, if not directly, then through association with characters like General Zod. Doomsday kills Superman, then the flashback ends and we see Bruce and Diana at the Kent farm discussing the need to search for more people who have abilities like them (none of which are foreshadowed as each of their origin films would be an independent setup prior to the first of the Justice League movies). The film ends with the soil levitating from Clark’s grave. Hope.
I could listen to Kevin Smith talk about anything....all day. He's got this wise, soothing, bear-like voice. Like he's the guy you'd want to learn the force from, or read you a story to bed.
`I'm a friend of your sons` is much more reassuring than I just nearly killed him
+Thaal Sinestro also proof its not a joyless film.
Preach
+Thaal Sinestro But she figured that because he wears a cape, too. Now if only they had figured out they were cape friends before it came to fisticuffs.
+DannyDankTv - Nah. If you have to point out the humor, it isn't humor. Humor works right the first time without explanation.
It's sad when I've seen people list the alleged "jokes" in Man of Steel, and they include Martha Kent saying "Nice suit, son". That's not funny. It's a rare moment of warmth. Not the same thing.
+Thaal Sinestro I agree. I don't think she would have handled it well if he told I just nearly killed your kid.
Batman: "DO YOU BLEED?"
Wonder Woman: "Yes, once a mouth."
Edit: I am leaving it mouth... BECAUSE it's mouth, NOT month.
+Hateful Oucho Mouth. Typing is hard.
+Hateful Oucho Typo of the year.
+Hateful Oucho That doesn't make any sense.
Fail
+Hateful Oucho Nice try
I wanted to love this movie. I really did. I tried so hard to love it but sadly im very very disappointed. I cannot describe how hype i was for this movie, ever since that comic con announcement, i have counted each day until march 25 2016. I had so many expectations and they were flushed down the toilet. I absolutely loved Man of Steel, one of my favorite movies ever, and in my opinion also Zack Snyder's best movie. But is simple terms, this movie was a fuck up. Visually, it was fantastic, everything else, shit. It had everything to succeed. Fantastic Cast, BEN AFFLECK WAS THE BEST THING ABOUT THIS MOVIE, THE ABSOLUTE BEST BATMAN. BEN AFFLECK IS THE GOD DAMN BATMAN, THE DARK KNIGHT, THE CAPED CRUSADER, THE WORLD'S GREATEST DETECTIVE. He was one of the only things I loved about this movie, but back to the point, fantastic cast, Henry Cavill is a splendid Superman, Gal Gadot absolutely aced the Wonder Woman role. Amy Adams once again did a great job. The cast was great, its the story that disappointed me. However, i am a hardcore fan, Im still just as hyped for the DC Cinematic universe, especially for the standalone Ben Affleck Batman movie. I just pray that Zack learns from his mistakes and doesn't fuck up The Justice League. That movie will fulfill my childhood dream.
Good review Kevin... But in that moment where they say martha and Bats is loosing his mind, it's not oh my god, our moms names are the same! lets be bros!.. its oh shit, this dudes a fuckin alien... and hes got a mother. who he is scared to loose, which humanizes Supes, brings him off that god pedestal. So not only do they make that connection, but i think it's a little bit of Batman kind of realizing too that he got played by Lex, and he should be smarter than that. All that anger that was feeding the crusade against superman was pointless, he was just to heated to see it.
its amazing how kevin is capable of talking for an hour about a movie and make it engaging. He doesnt even need someone else to talk to. thats talent
smh...very disappointed that Kevin Smith still glosses over the "Martha" scene so superficially. Bro, you are way too smart to believe that Snyder and Terrio based that entire moment on the superficial fact that their mothers name Were both named Martha. It extends way beyond that. It was Batman's deepest moment. His self-reflection, his recognition of his errors, and ultimately his redemption.
Stop being so...simple. This story was not that simple. Its like you went into this movie and didnt even try to turn your brain on.
+Nd Oheri You're right. That's the moment he sees the humanity in Clark and realizes he has a 2nd chance at saving (a) Martha.
+Nd Oheri Bollocks! It was ham fisted as fuck.
Ross Hutchinson I mean it was ham fisted because there was no reason for Superman to say "Martha".
The whole film was filled with people who did stuff for no reason. Or for reasons that the characters couldn't possibly know at that time.
David Heffron Yeah... say "Save my mommy" to the guy who is about to murder you. See how that goes.
kanua5 No. He's say "Luthor is manipulating us both and he's holding my mother hostage to force me to fight you. We need to work together."
Also, why was Luthor engineering Doomsday?
Actually, as the Waynes were coming out of the theatre the poster said: "Now Playing: The Mark of Zorro." On the marquee it said that Excalibur would be opening next week.
Ben Affleck was on point as Bruce Wayne/Batman! And I agree 100% that after seeing the Parademons, I was in Nirvana for the remainder of the movie. Enough to forgive some of the Doomsday shortcomings. I really hope Ben Affleck stays on board for more movies and gets some stand alone Batman movies.
Ben Affleck IS the live-action Batman. Dude killed it.
this movie was perfect I'm so glad they stuck to the DC formula and didn't try to copy the watered down marvel happy kids movies which are good in their own rights most of the time but just ain't dark DC which I love.
Dark doesn’t equal good
I appreciate that Kevin Smith gave his honest opinion of the movie, flaws and all. He's a really thoughtful and interesting guy to listen to. I liked the movie. It had it's problems but Affleck saved it for me. He is such an awesome Bats.
Great review man... I also enjoyed the movie.
Affleck played a cool and sophisticated older Wayne and an awesome Batman.
I agree with a lot of things you covered in your review, even the fact that some scenes of the movie I also had 'wtf' moments only to be re leaved they were but dream sequences.
The fight scene with the thugs in the warehouse is by far the most physical I've ever seen in any Batman movie, a brutal and powerful display of Batman's combat skills, the fact his body amour was taking an onslaught of bullets (even his cowl) and knives, was a freakin awesome display of choreography.
Welcomed back the 'Man of Steel' cast, it was good to see them back playing their roles, a nice continuance of the MOS movie and the destruction from the by-standing point of view which also set the reason for Wayne's eagerness to bring down Supe's.
Alfred's dialog is so hilarious, he say's some funny shit in the movie, I like Jeremy Irons portrayal of the Bat-butler, reminded me of the old Alan Napier Alfred, cheeky and witty.
Wonderful Woman... as far as her portrayal of the Amazon Warrior Princess, pure awesomeness... still trying to figure out her role as Diana Prince because in the most of her scenes, it seemed like she was trying to conceal her identity, worried about exposure to what or whom I was thinking... maybe a mission went sour in her past which threatened her and her kinds very existence... interesting.
I'm glad Doomsday never got the chance to mature or there'd be 10 fucking sequels... they did the right thing to kill him off in the movie... there's plenty more villains out there in the DC universe.
and to think, those 2 guys fighting in the theater could have come to a peaceful agreement if one had just said his mom's name was 'Martha'.
Lol
LOL... right, they would have become besties after that apparently.
Well not yet. The argument still continues until someone says "it's his mother's name". Then... World peace.
Maaaaarthaaaa!
Superman actually says "You're letting him kill Martha"
Not "Martha" because that's just plain stupid.
I loved the old world weary Batman.
Short version of the review: The writting is weak, character's motivations are all over the place, the characterization is off, Eisenberg's Lex Luthor is cringe-worthy and Affleck looks good as Batman even though he doesn't really act like Batman.
But hey, it had 10 seconds of CGI insectoid aliens... so I guess it was good after all!
The worst reason ever to make Superman fight, and the worst way possible to end the fight. What a disappointment.
+KnightMD good for you
The Batman parts were great but Affleck needed a Solo movie first man. But the movie was a mess. Come on look at Doomsday for C sake it had no character.
**Christ **Jesus ** God
In all fairness in most interpretations he is a mindless killing machine
TheSolMike doomsday doesnt have much of a character
And the horror repeats in justice league. The box collector is who's his name again? Wolfsomething who?
Can people stop misinterpreting the end of the Batman/Superman fight? It wasn't just their mothers' names that made them stop, it was in that moment that Batman saw Superman as a human. Seeing him, within an inch of his life with precious few words/minutes left, only ask for Batman to save Martha Kent. You see, before that moment Batman saw Superman as a cold hearted alien who really didn't have any care for the human race. That "if he wanted to, could burn the whole place down." So for Superman to plead for his mother's life, not his own, gave Batman a new way of seeing him. No longer was he an alien, but a human being. Just as much a citizen of earth as Batman. On the surface it is their mother's names that show some equalities between the two but it takes on a completely second meaning upon second viewings/more in-depth thought. THAT is good writing, right there.
Seriously! I can't believe more people didn't make that connection
Spot on sir exactly how I saw it, and how Kevin Missed that is crazy for someone who always look deep into things.
In Arrow, Anatoli Knyazev / KGBeast made his first appearance in the Season 2 episode "Crucible" and was portrayed by David Nykl.
I thought the opening 3 scenes were the best part of the movie. Bruce powerless to protect his loved ones as a child, becomes batman and no longer has that problem until the 3rd scene where again, despite him being batman, he is powerless to protect his loved ones. That was a perfect sequence of scenes
I know you love this universe, Kev, but no, an awful movie doesn't get a pass just because it features a few tidbits that hit you in the fanboy/nostalgia box, and it certainly gets no points on the off chance that future movies might be better. I saw this, and though I'm a fan of all three main characters in the comics, this was the most shockingly inept, flailing, joyless, incoherent mess I've seen on screen in ages.
U know its his opinion. I personally enjoyed it even tho it has many flaws( lex luthor, doomsday cgi, a bit too long, poorly edited) but i still liked it. Ben affleck was amazing. He is batman
+Etaukan In your opinion of course
Richard A. Of course
+Etaukan " this was the most shockingly inept, flailing, joyless, incoherent mess I've seen on screen in ages."
You must have missed Fantastic Four.
why doesn't it get a pqss when the first cap movie sucked and was pretty much a boring setup to a great avengers movie
This movie would've been good but I think it's missing a giant spider.
Yeah, there's no polar bears either.
Kevin - I agree with you that seeing the Parademon made my day. I was so happy to see a clashing of futures in the dream sequence between the possible Injustice as well as an invasion from Apokolipse.
I have a theory for you, regarding the use of Doomsday and the "death" of Superman. Much like the DC Rebirth comics, this film decided to launch from quite a bit of New 52 story arcs. It seemed to me that Snider was quite literally putting to death the Man of Steel film, even though they had launched off of it. He transforms Zod into Doomsday, thus removing the actor and character from future stories and kills the Man of Steel (instead of Superman). That way we can use the great acting and casting of Henry Cavill as Superman and we can have a "rebirth" of the WB film genre of the characters. Besides, now that Kal-El defeated the giant spider at the beginning of the third act of Man of Steel, no need to stay with the old guard on the future films.
Anyway, just a theory or idea as to why the use of Doomsday and the death of Superman.
Kevin liked it, I am soooo shocked. He loves every fucking thing.
lol
+Immortan Joe He staked his reviewing career on this and won't back down. It's a damn shame!
+Immortan Joe Well he does smoke alot of pot..... His eyes are so gone in this video... way gone.
Ch Ad I know but... he was OBVIOUSLY paid up front in my view.
Plus, he understands movie making, editing, production, financing etcetera. He surely knows a) that BvS was a mess and b) Why it was so.
I'm gonna make this my last KS video.
+Immortan Joe He never bitch on comic-book films cause he wants to keep his Hollywood friends.
It is KGBeast. Anatoli Knyazev, played by Callan Mulvey. Good find.
+Ben Rollman Wouldn't be surprised if he survived somehow.
The Martha scene was the one scene i felt truly made sense. They had the whole symbolism scene throughout the entire movie of god vs man. bat man even made superman BLEED to try and peg him down. The sharing the same mothers name wasn't for them to say hey we have something in common lets be friends! I believe it was at that moment batman realized "hey superman isn't just some prick god who blatantly shows off his powers excessively. he's also a human being"
Stealth Vs. Frontal assault
Night Vs. Day
Man Vs. God
Batman Vs. Superman
+Austin Lopez blows my mind how many people didn't realize this. i guess the masses need their hand held. lol
DCEU will be great if it can be written half as good as young justice.
"This is a movie with the 2 most popular superheroes. If we believe there is even a 1% chance that this movie is bad, we have to take it as an absolute certainty!"
Knightmare Batman was awesome
There needs to be a Batman dystopian horror film
This movie failed because they weren't confident enough to write a proper Man of Steel 2 movie. Instead it got titled Batman V Superman and guess what they failed at that too, because as Kevin says its technically Man of Steel 2. Batman played a role in this movie but he was not the central figure, Superman was. Batman was just one of the people reacting to Superman's presence on Earth. They were so insistent on shoving so much plot into a single movie and inserting Batman wherever possible that they messed up the overall story of the movie.
By the end of this movie you were supposed to care about Superman a lot and the ending was supposed to be emotional. His death in the comics is a MASSIVE thing. But the characters in the movie weren't developed enough, not well defined as to who they were and what motivated them to be who they are. Not only did they play the death card too soon, they cheapened it with the floating dust scene. Did you feel any emotion at the death of Superman? NOPE. And then they went and floated the dust because they are scared shitless of taking any chances. So even if you were remotely moved by Superman's death, which is how it was supposed to be...PSYCHE, he's fine. This movie was a serious disappointment. Oh and they should kill off Lois. Seriously just do it.
That's like saying Supergirl season 1 Ep 18 is really Flash season 2 Ep 20.
It's like people who supposedly are comic book fans don't understand the concept of crossovers!!!
This is like an issue of World's Finest (or you know Batman/Superman) continuing the story after an issue of Superman.
People act like they don't know anything about comics!!!
Which is fine for the general public, but is just plain stupid for a comics fan like Kevin.
Talking about box office and everyone wanting to see it, it did not do good at all past opening weekend.
i'm a huge batman fan and i liked this broken batman, who burned parts of his moral code(along with his house!!).i hope they show the moment that broke him, it might have to do with robin/oracle and we may see it in the extended cut. the killing part just makes him all the more scary in this world, if you're a criminal then you wouldn't want to shoot at battfleck whereas other batmen were always weak because the criminals knew he wouldn't kill them.
They showed plenty of moments that broke Bruce. Metropolis, the dreams, the senator getting blown up.
But, sure, death of Robin would be fun to see. Especially in a Batman Beyond.
Loved everything about this movie. Wonder Legs, Bats and Supahman hell yeah! Something, something, something Wonder Legs, Bats and Supahman the end.
For years Watchmen was at the top of my favorite comic book films list and BvS has finally knocked it down to second place. I absolutely loved this film. Excited for the extended cut in July!
+O.G. Erik I'm glad I've been able to find someone who loves BvS as much as I do
lillartist123 They're not crap, they're a little higher than average movies
Jacob Cohen Who?
I had the same reaction when I saw Bruce levitating with the bats XD
I've never worked with Ben Affleck, so you can't claim bias here, but I agree with Kevin: he KILLED it. My favorite incarnation of Batman so far. And that fight when [spoiler] he goes to save Martha, busts up through the floor, and just *annihilates* the Russian and all his boys [/spoiler] is, imo, the best Batman fighting onscreen. It was fast, hard, brutal, tricky, and looked, to me, exactly like Batman would fight.
On the down side, I'm not a superfan of the electro-voice, but it's a HUGE improvement on Bale's bat-voice. Again, imo.
So, yeah, I'm onboard with Batfleck.
Arkham games live action moment! I agree. Best Batman fight scene ever!!!!!
+John Harris He kills the whole room....
Um... yeah "very Batman"
+Scott Rodie Well, to be fair, he indirectly killed some of the guys in the room.
Scott Rodie It actually is. Both the original 1930s Batman (who carried a gun and dagger and regularly killed bad guys) and the much older, more damaged Batman we see here, in graphic novels, and in plenty of the comics over the years (particularly in the 80s). The more brutal Batman is a mirror of society's struggle with finding the balance between upholding our "good" values and punishing bad guys (the waterboarding/torture debate, eg). In the theme of the DCU, he represents the gray area of the debate while Superman represents the idealistic side and the villains represent the anarchic/chaotic/dark side. If Batman and Superman (and the rest of the JL, for that matter) all represent the same side of the discussion, then who cares? The themes flatten out, the drama loses conflict (other than 2 dimensional good vs bad, which is just childish).
I don't know if anyone caught this, but I felt like B V S was a redemption story for Batman. Batman tells Alfred that all the "heroes are dead" and he lost all hope for the justice system and took a turn to start branding and murdering criminals. The movie shows a scene where Clark gets photos of the branded criminal and sees him dead in those photographs, which eluded to the fact that if a criminal gets branded with the Batman symbol he or she would be killed by other inmates in prison. In the last scene with Batman and Luther, Batman decides NOT to brand Luther, but instead hits the wall with the Batman brand to show that Batman has decided to change because of the heroic inspiration Man of Steel displayed while giving up his life fighting Doomsday. But that's the thing - it took me a SECOND time to understand THAT through line because the film was edited that way. Great ideas, but poorly edited film.
I like this redemption angle a lot. Well done.
+Jie Chung I've been saying this since I saw the movie. This movie is a great way to show how Superman and Batman need each other to keep the other grounded. Bats is losing his grip on good and Sups is losing his grip on humanity. By seeing the sacrifice that Bruce is willing to give up to fight Doomsday (which he is helplessly outmatched) the Man of Steel learned that Batman is a Hero just a dark one losing his grip. And by Superman giving his life to save humanity (and to save his mother with a dying last wish) Bruce realized that Superman needed to have something to fight for and stay human.
I like that the movie is so dense it takes a couple passes to pull out all the pieces. Complexity isn't a bad thing, well apparently to some people it is.
+Zachary Douglas Yeah they are perfect compliments to each other in terms of different methods of heroism. Sort of like Daredevil v. Punisher, except in the comics Batman never murdered people. LOL.
+Scott Stock Yeah - I'm excited to see the what they left out in the Bluray cut. :)
Such an awesome movie
The Martha scene was not stupid it was about Bruce realizing by killing Clark he was just as bad as the man who killed his parents
What was going on in the scene wasn't stupid.
How it was pulled off was laughably dumb.
lets be Super friends! is not what essentially happens in that moment. Throughout the movie Batman uses his motivation as the death of his parents he watches die in front of him. He believes hes doing justice and even speaks about his parents while fighting Superman. Batman is reminded of his own turmoil when he realizes Supermans in need of his help to save his own mother from thugs. How is that a fucked up moment? How thick of glasses do you need to except that perception.
I enjoy watching you talking about the film than watching the film itself...
Y'know, to be honest, I LIKE that BvS was more serious. Because it addresses issues that are completely serious and reasonable. But Superman needed to smile. Like holy crap, SMILE A BIT. INSPIRE US like Superman is supposed to!
+sanshoryu It was a dark movie. I'm pretty hopeful the sun's gonna come out now in the next couple of films.
So we hope. I sure hope.
Agree and I see what your saying. It was really trying for Clark, you save the world and half of it hates you for it. But I agree, just a bit more of that Superman hope. Some more scenes to convey the good the Supes does for mankind
The Martha part is not about my mom and your mom. When the phantom zone inmates ask for Superman in Man of Steel, they say someone has been hiding out on your planet. That is all the info Batman has on Superman. He does not know that he grew up on this world. He realizes that Superman has a stake in this world and that he is one with humanity. the moral of the story is about finding humanity in yourself by seeing the humanity in others in my opinion.
The next time you watch the film pay attention to how Superman knows that he doesn't belong; therefore, he does not infer in human on human violence. He is saving people from disasters not from other people except in the cases of the ones he loves. This is why he only warns Batman when he crashes his batmobile. It is more significant than what you think.
+DEADeyeEFFECT I have found that many of the "plot holes" and issues that people have found are based on not paying attention to what is going on. And I am not saying that people aren’t “smart enough” to get it. I think that they
have gone in thinking “this is a fun movie, I can shut my brain off and just enjoy it”. Like many of the issues Smith
points out, people aren’t picking up on subtext and the clues layered throughout the movie. I don’t know, I
suppose you have to blame the film makers for maybe being too subtle or not direct enough, but the clues are there.
Case in point, Winter Soldier, which is a terrific film, does all the heavy lifting for both the audience and the characters in the film. Not only do Cap and Widow not have to try that hard to get the info they need, but it’s all cleanly laid out for them in a monologue from a an evil scientist turned into a computer. Of course they say he was stalling so they
could get hit by a missile, which they survived by going down 5 feet and covering themselves up with a 3’ wide shield,so its obvious they wanted an excuse to do an information dump on the audience.
People take things at face value in blockbusters because they have been trained to. So the Martha sequence, which was loaded with subtext, looks like a farce.
+Daniel Drew I agree, but we have fun movies with marvel. I like the cerebral change that Snyder brings. I like watching movies where each character's point of view is crucial to movie. I hate when a character knows things he shouldn't. Don't get me wrong, the movie had alot of problems: lex, lex's motives, manbat dream, Jonathan Kent acid trip, bad doomsday CGI etc. I really can't give a good review on choppiness without watching the full version.
Yeah, they didn't need to build an elevator to get down one floor in winter soldier. "look a secret staircase." those bunker busters really do suck. could not kill two people in a room through 3' of concrete.
This video is my comfort food. I probably enjoy this more than the movie itself. its just comforting and hilarious. I watch and listen to it whenever I'm feeling shitty. thanks so much Kevin, I watch your videos every week but this ones been my favorite. My favorite quote in it "I'm a friend of your son is a bit of a stretch, if he was being honest he should've said I was about to stab the shit out of your alien boy until I found out your name is Martha, my mothers name is also Martha, let's get out of here". 😂😂😂
I'm likely in the minority, but I loved the movie. I liked the darker tone, I liked the more complex narrative. I liked that it took itself seriously. I liked the darker, harder Batman. Sort of reflecting his struggles in Gotham but also reflecting that all his effort hasn't created much change. Batman is obviously suffering from some PTSD... He's in a difficult spot.
Superman I liked. He's definitely burdened by a very complex world. The bombing in the capital really gave us an insight of what it is to be Superman. That even in the heart of civilized society, there's chaos... and Superman is always the last man standing... even though he's trying his hardest and while the world burns he has to watch people die. It's a tough reality for Superman. It's a difficult environment to have hope.
I liked Doomsday a lot. I find, generally, in the Marvel Avengers movies that the villains are... lackluster. At least Doomsday's defeat comes with the sacrifice of Superman. It's a much better scene than say, the Quicksilver scene in Avengers. Both Ultron and Loki were "meh" villains at best. Loki gets demolished by Hulk in 3 seconds and Ulltron could of practically been beaten by Thor and Vision.... but the other heroes were there for good measure... Which is why I liked Doomsday. Doomsday required Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman and you know if that fight went longer, they would lose.
I know they killed Superman quick... but the way I see it, it at least gives Doomsday, as a villain, some credibility as a threat. I mean, when you watch the Hulk in Marvel movies... you wonder why the rest of the Avengers even need to exist....
your in the majority. the minority is hussy so fucking loud with dumb ass opinions with nothing to back with they say up.
I actually liked it. Yes many things could of been different but I give them credit for trying. No worse than Age of Ultron
Spoiler:
Han Solo dies.
+DEADPOOL RULES Deadpool humour goes over , gasp! Deadpools head??
During the scene when Alfred is working on the voice modulator and tests it on himself, how awesome would it have been if they used Kevin Conroy's voice. The cinema's roof would have come clean off!
I flat out loved this film. Editing and Luthor's motivation was a bit off, but as a dude that's lived and breathed DC books since I was 4 years old, it was like mana from heaven.
did you just watch american crime story?
+Tïr Eoghain Blackman how so? All they did was make a movie, threw some comic characters in, and shit it out.
Hahaha "give me the knife, please". The golden child.
Hey Kev. Was Affleck's performance better than the one in Phantoms?
Upvoted just for giving props to Bill Finger.
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"This movie is going to make a billion!"
Opps...missed that one Kevin. Although Marvel fans have to be loving that DC fans are still willing to throw enough money at a bad movie to keep WB making more bad movies. WB isn't going to change anything if they keep making money. (See Transformers)
Poor Kevin...you are so Phantom Menacing this movie.
STFU
R.J Williams Nah
*****
Nah
+TheSpaceman918 WHAT????? Where is the source?
I'm pretty sure marvel fans would want this film to be good as much as DC fans want Civil War to succeed, it's not all a conflict
+Kevin Smith I would not recommend holding up your credit cards to the camera.
Ben Affleck's Batman really reminds me of Daniel Craig's James Bond in Skyfall.
the flash looked like he was wearing armour like in the injustice series when he comes through time and speaks to batman for a minute warning him about lois being the key I think it was flash from a alternate universe trying to prevent that future from happening and warning Bruce about. I think that would be a awesome twist and Story to throw in to the mix. I loved the movie batman v superman I thought it was amazing and Ben afflek was the best batman since Michael Keaton it was definately a awesome movie very happy with it amd can't wait for the justice League movie gonna be sick!!!
after seeing justice league I can say BvS was sooooo much better
I liked it alot, unrated version was even better and longer. Explained alot of the beef you had with different scenes. I'm also a fan of this angry superhero genre because life is tough right now and adults have to make difficult decisions everyday. What I like the most about these DC movies is that it represents real people making real choices who just happen to have superpowers or superfriends. For example I think it'd be great for Wonder Woman to have a period during her movie but still have to go to work/fight some alien because real women fight aliens all the time lol. Let's leave Marvel for the kiddies who wanna watch shit blow upwhile people run around in shiny suits. DC's for adults, and that's the way it's supposed to be.
"The Parademon Theory". Awesome. I now have a way to explain the people being blind and forgiving to a movies filled with flaws. I would say its not simply DC fans that it applies to, I'm a massive fan and hated the movie.
The Parademon Theory - The theory that people will be overly positive beyond belief, despite shining flaws, simply in support of a fandom above all logic and common sense.
+BlueBloodPenn I can't help but think that applies to Rick & Morty, albeit it being a show and not a movie.
Though the word I would use is "Bandwagon Fallacy".
and superman WOULDN'T fall for the gas a second time, that really pissed me off with an audible NO! when i saw it on screen. the fight scenes were also logically stupid