The Healing Journey with Religious OCD and Scrupulosity
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- Опубліковано 28 січ 2021
- In this video I want to talk about a subject that is important to my heart . . . working through the healing journey when it comes to religious obsessive compulsive disorder or as it is often called, scrupulosity.
Religious OCD and scrupulosity is an area of battleground I have had to face in my own life in many ways and facets. It is also a struggle that many well meaning Christians struggle with. Many do not know what it is or that they even struggle with it. To be honest, it took me years to realize that the main pattern of torment and trouble revealed that I was obsessive and compulsive.
Religious OCD triggers a great deal of conflict, guilt, uneasiness, anxiety and inner torment over a lot of spiritually related issues that end up weighing heavily on people’s hearts.
And because the OCD points to areas of religious nature, which involve important issues of religious devotion, salvation, purity, holiness and eternity, it can be easy for a person to become swept away by the storm of religious OCD or scrupulosity.
What I am going to share with you is what this religious OCD is, some background . . . but I am also going to show you the importance of our hearts become further rooted in the love of Father God and the grace of Jesus Christ. I will also talk about some practical insights and tools to walk into greater freedom.
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For a long time I excessively read my Bible to feed the compulsion.
Recently I told my fiancé that I wasn’t reading the Bible as much and he told me some thing that really hit home. He said it’s not about quantity, but it’s about the quality. “You may not be reading the Bible as much as you did, but you’re reading it healthy now.” That meant so much to me. I used to be so unhealthy in my Bible reading because I thought I had to do it or something bad was going to happen. Now I don’t feed that compulsion. I’m growing so much, thank you for all of your help.
yess! i’ve felt the same way about fasting. But i feel like God is really just teaching me how i can healthy fast mentally and physically
This is so me. I’ve gotten to the point where I’m literally having mental conversations in my head. Like my main struggle is a thought in my head that I don’t believe Jesus is God’s Son. So I panic and start to say back, “No, I do believe, Lord help my unbelief if it’s true!” I struggle with doubts about my salvation so bad. I asked Christ to save me when I was 9 but when I hit my 20’s I started to have doubts. I’ve literally asked Jesus to save me probably over 1,000 times since doubting. Even though I know once you are saved, you are always saved. I just start to fear I’m not, so then I ask Him to save me again because I think I may be being convicted. I’ve talked with my pastor who just led me into another profession of faith, which did not help at all. I just feel so hopeless. This has hurt my marriage and my relationship with my kids as I’m always frustrated and angry. If you see this, please pray for me. I’m really struggling. This is literally the worst thing I’ve ever been though.
I can understand 💕 there is hope!
Going through the same things so I totally understand! You have my prayers🙏🏻
I’m in the same place right now.
Please listen to Vlad Savchuks preaching he is so good at explaining spiritual war that’s what it is I was struggling similar thoughts That’s not your thoughts you have to remind yourself that that’s devil. Don’t fight in your thoughts speak the word of God out loud don’t think it speak outbound. And don’t react with fear to thoughts It was so hard for me to do but when I did thoughts started to loose it’s power very quickly . I’m much better right now and I pray you’ll fight it of too you’re strong! Holy Spirit helps us overcome temptations just know that we are sealed in Him and nothing can snatch us out of his hand. All devil can do is scare us nothing else. We are saved
Hi Jennifer what you have to understand is this god loves you. He knows your heart and he knows what you are going through. He is a mercifull god he wont punish you for these things. The fact you are feeling bad makes it more clear about your faith in him. Understand two things 1)he loves you more than any of us will understand 2) He knows our heart.
For me my OCD struggles have the potential to lead me into a deep trust in Papa, my father God. Because OCD shows in the most extreme way that our human desire for certainty is contrary to what faith is. So this leads me to the conclusion that faith is all about trusting, because I cant even control my thoughts. Its about actively trusting and living as the beloved of God.
Whats crazy about Religious OCD is that trying to fight it and overcome it, you feel like you are going against God and that's the worst part for me because who in their right mind wants to go against God you know? Thank you Mark this message is very helpful you are God sent.
So so so grateful for someone voicing these topics ... It is exhausting to live like this and I always thought it is "normal Christianity".. Yay for freedom!
Glad to hear its helpful Luzanne. I pray more freedom will flow.
Mark, things are getting better with your help. I'm learning to pause and let God give me His peace, instead of spinning with thoughts.
That's outstanding! Way to go!
That's amazing! Praise God!🙌
Amen 🙏🏾 Praise God!
@@marktdejesus I'm a born again Christian and disabled and in chronic pain, I have reasurance seeking OCD, I confess my anxiety OCD constantly to my wife , it's about bodily fluids and contamination, my hands look so old from constant washing, it's mainly about touching objects which I feel I have contaminated like door knobs and other family members touch it and on and on , i always try to suppress thoughts of cursing God when I pray but the more I try the more I think them and it puts me off praying .
@@rab-cnesbit4181How are you now?
This is amazing! I'm 33 and have seen SEVERAL counselors and coaches. It is just very recently, that I'm finding language for what I've been experiencing. I am now more hopeful.
Thank God!!! Glory to your name God!!! Thank you Jesus!!!
Amen sister.
I've been dealing with all of these thoughts that everything I do is a sin. I could be watching TV or Reading and out of nowhere I will get this random thought that mixed fabrics are a sin or shellfish is a sin. Then, I will get this strong urge to research about these things, but I always have this feeling that's telling me, "Don't do it, don't do it". But I do it anyways. I end up researching for hours on end, nonstop. This has caused me to have panic attacks and a constant fear that I'm doing something wrong and if I don't change, I'm going to hell. There are other examples that I have been dealing with, such as, wearing a cross necklace, wearing makeup, jewelry, braids, celebrating holidays/ my birthday *pagan* etc. I feel like all these things are a sin. I have gone to the Bible for help and half of things I've mentioned are in the OT and we don't follow that law anymore. Deep down I know we don't follow this law anymore but there's still a voice in my mind that's saying im doing something wrong. I have gone to other people for help on Insta and UA-cam but almost everyone has said that these things are not sin and that God looks at the heart and not the ouside and to go and talk to a pastor or priest. But this doesnt calm nor help with my overthinking. Sometimes, i get brief relief from these thoughts, but they just show up again. It's so overwhelming and stressful. Its torture. I wouldnt wish this on anyone. Not even my worst enemy. I don't look forward to the future and I'm not enthusiastic about future events because of this. I've recently wanted to get stronger in my relationship with God but because of this I don't even want to open my Bible or pray. Somtimes i think, "maybe this is the Holy Spirit trying to show me something" but I know God is not a God of confusion or fear. Its all just too much. I just want to feel mentally at peace.
Jordyn. You are not the only one. Keep fighting the good fight and I pray for you
This is me!!!
This is so spot on. I’m very judgmental of myself in a very negative way. Thank you Mark :)
“I don’t belong here.” Said everyone with OCD.
Lol..... yep. Believers ‘shouldn’t’ have mental concerns. When I checked myself into rehabilitation for drug abuse, in the 90’s, there was a lady in there that kept saying she didn’t know why she was in some of the classes. Everyone eye-rolled her. Shalom to your home, Jason...✝️🔜
God bless you man! This has been me since coming to Christ and my OCD battle has really surfaced and become an issue with intrusive, horrible thoughts I don’t believe or want. I’ve argued with the thoughts, repented but it’s like fear manifesting and the cycle just begins all over again. Like condemning thoughts.
@@DavvyKat you’re not alone pal. OCD and intrusive thoughts are a battle.
Right there with you, right now ❤️🙏🏿
@@right..5651 Gods got us. It’s hard for sure.
Intrusive thoughts can be caused by low GABA levels. There is research on this. NATURAL supplements to increase GABA are L-Theanine, P5P(active Vitamin B6) and Zinc Picolinate. Praise JESUS CHRIST
@@ROMANS3-25KJV I’’ll try that for sure. Thank you.
I pray that I will understand deeper
Mark, you are an absolute Godsent! Thank you!! God bless you! We are all being helped and healed by God through you. Blessings.
Brother, I cannot thank you enough for this video. When I was around 9 or 10, I became deathly afraid of blaspheming the holy spirit. No one could help me and eventually it faded through the years. Later on, as I started trying to grow in my walk with God, these symptoms began to manifest again. I became miserable and I eventually dropped christianity all together. After I did that, the symptoms subsided. So I recently came back to the lord and started immediately having those old same symptoms. I have uncontrollable blasphemous thoughts about the holy spirit and have been absolutely broken and afraid that the lord had abandoned me. It wasn't until I saw this was a thing that I gained some peace. I just want to serve the lord and bring glory to him. Thank you.
Keep walking the healing journey. The key is not being afraid of the thought. Fear empowers intrusive thoughts.
CAN I TALK TO YOU? I'M IN THE SAME BOAT
@@Sarah_toscano sure
@@thetryhardgamer8387 DO YOU HAVE INSTAGRAM ?
@@Sarah_toscano No, I sure don't.
You are such a blessing Brother. God bless You abundantly. Lots of Love and blessings to you and your familly. I've been going through the ocd of the unpardonable sin for yeays now with a lot of unbearble fear terror trauma shame guiltand condemnation, thinking I was beyong any hope . But God heard my cry to sending me help though you. I will be forever greatful to God for You. Thanks. I'd like to get a coaching also though.
Thank you so much! I struggle with this perfectionism and trying to earn my salvation! This helped me realize I need to accept God's love and love myself 🙏
Yes brother! I want to experience the love of God why would I want to be around a Father that’s mean! Scrupulosity robs us of the fathers Love. I pray all of us who deal with this will be healed soon so we can enjoy the lord in all his love.
This video explains what I'm going through. I love God more than anything, but today I'm stuck at number 7 Fear that Im disconnected from God. The guilt is sometimes overwhelming.
WOW! This video is so on target with where I am in life because of my OCD! I am dealing with religious melancholy that you mentioned all the time and it deprives me of the joy we should all have as Christians because I am constantly questioning everything about my faith! Thank you so much for this video!
There is a lie that is coming to mind as I listen to this. The enemy or thoughts that would tell us God can't use us as we are healing and that is a lie. God has used me to share testimony and teach others the word that He has been teaching me. We don't have to have "arrived" (Which we won't have arrived until we see Him face to face), before God is using us. In Our Weakness, His Strength is made Perfect. And His Grace is Sufficient for me.
Thank you for this. I've never felt so understood
Thank you for the time and effort you put into a video such as this. This really encourages me to see a path out of these obsessions. May you and your loved ones be good :)
This is beyond incredible...BREAKTHROUGH...finally!
Finally somebody who gets it. An answer to prayer
Thank you for this video. You totally understand. I’m so glad I found you. I’ve had this over 20 years. These are the best video content I’ve found. Thank you soooo much! God bless you!
Such a great analyse! You ve been so helpful! I ve been through this and îs not easy!
Hi Mark I’ve been listening to this one video over days and the more I listen the more I appreciate you and your mission to help people with ourOCD. I can’t tell you how much you have hit up on topics and questions actual questions that I have a question question question myself about no one else has ever brought upThese questions of the mind. Thank you so much! OK I’m going back to listening to the video now but I had to stop and make this comment
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and helping us out. This is very appreciated. Jesus bless you, my friend.
This is the most seen I’ve ever felt. Thank you.
20 minutes in and you got me pegged. Been 3 years since my last flare up. I’m ready this time to do the work to actually be well. Thank you for these videos, it’s so helpful to know there’s hope.
I come back this video at least once or twice each week. It has helped me the most. Thank you.
3 weeks later back to the base again. No longer as needy but go through many of your videos as necessary.
Thank you, Brother Mark!!!
Your presentation is the most comprehensive that I have encountered-describing my life and experience.
It is encouraging to know that you and others have also struggled.
Thank you for your ministry, Mark. You’ve helped me tremendously and I’m thankful God brought me to your channel. ❤️
This is so helpful! Thank you so much! 😭👌🏻
Man I needed this. Thanks Mark
that at 11 minutes, exactly how i feel. so weird and like out of place why can’t i do this right, why is this so hard for me, what’s wrong with me- common questions i ask myself. Thank you.
Wow. Thank you so much. My therapist has been trying to convince me that I have scrupulousity for weeks but I’ve been hesitant to accept that because of pride and worrying that if I do so, I’m just excusing lazy behavior in my discipleship. I’m a missionary of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Because of your video, I’ve been able to accept that I really do have this and that God has blessed me with a therapist that is trying to point me towards healing and towards becoming a better and happier missionary, not a lazier one. God is so good. The truth is setting me free and for the first time in a while, I feel truly hopeful.
Thank you, thank you!
Praise God, I am SO glad the Lord led me to your ministry today! I've had scrupulosity since 1999, but NEVER knew qhat it was after years of crying out to the Lord, until diagnosed around 2016. .
This is so so helpful Mark thank you so much. I find your talks on this subject extremely helpful many thanks
sometimes I'm spinning with thoughts and my mind keeps going and going, and idk exactly what happens but sometimes i hear God say "Be still, and know that I am God." And idk but that just silences my brain. It's crazy. It doesn't always happen but when it does it brings so much peace
This was soooooo informative. I do see myself in a LOT of your points... yikes! It's amazing how insidious the process towards living "under the Law". And it really is difficult for someone like me, who has been performance based all my life. And I'm actually a performer LOL!!! (Musician) Would appreciate some prayers to help me understand the TRUE love of God. Thanks Mark your ministry is golden. Bless you.
Wow, the list said, Distorted meaning of thoughts. That one hit home
I’ve known that I feel awful but have been convinced I am diabolically oppressed from how I was living before my conversion 3 yrs ago. But I also can recognize that I had this even when I wasn’t Christian 😢 - it was just couched in different frameworks. My priest actually helped me realize this because he said everything right about grace and forgiveness and it clicked in me that I was attaching something from my own way of thinking to my religious beliefs and blocking experiencing Gods love and grace. I’m going to continue my daily prayer practices while also being open that this is something that can be addressed by secular therapeutic techniques. I do feel joy and freedom in prayer, but it’s the other hours in the day that are the problem or thinking one hour is not enough. I contacted a therapist this morning. Going to try to resist the urge to research this to exhaustion. It’s so exhausting. It’s also terrifying that this is something I can’t fix. I’ve suffered almost forty years, hard to imagine freedom or not feeling defective.
This is all spot on for me wow
Wow that was just needed for me 😅
Thank u pastor
It's like a Ferris wheel it goes up to the high scary part, then comes back down, you think you might get off, but you go right back up. I hate it!
Thank you Mark. God bless you.
Thank you so much for this
So needed this
I’ve noticed my parents have this issue a lot and thought it was a church addiction. But this really hits the nail on the head with their behaviors.
Mr. Mark, do people with OCD ever feel bad labeling their fears as OCD because they think doing so is just excusing themselves from what they've done/are doing?
Abigail. Yes I am having that same thought and in fact a friend said that to me when I started to mention I might be suffering from Scrup/OCD
This is soo helpful
Thank you!!!!
Thank you
I am so thankful for your ministry Mark. I have a struggle with getting thoughts, and believing it's the Holy Spirit. Then it causes a lot of anxiety in me, because if I don't respond to the thought, it would mean that I was disobeying God. I typically would get a thought about another person and that "God" is telling me that I need to cut certain people from my life because the person is not living a holy life because I can discern it in the spirit. Well that is what I believed, that "I was discerning wrong intentions". I can relate to what you said. The feeling of "Never being enough" . Weeping and crying out to God.. Yes.. I have done that. I have wept and cried out to God to give me cancer so that my flesh can be crushed. I have even prayed that He will kill me because as long as I live there is a chance that I will sin against Him."I followed self punishing pathways" and also have felt that If I wanted something, . God didn't want me to have it.
Such good insight!
Thank you!
This is excruciating hard battle.
Wow... Thank you.
This is a Yoke of slavery.
I've researched can you lose your salvation or the Holy Spirit a thousand times some say yes some say no..I just want to be assured God is still with me cause if He's gone what's the point of living. I'm tired of thinking this way....if anyone else thinks like this your not alone in your pain.
Yes I am so able to relate to this
I had a thought or impulse like go any further and you blaspheme the Holy Spirit..
When I was struggling with sin... Jesus doesn't condemn? I just remembered this... I'm worried about it... Also I'm not sure if I knew about that verse before I had that thought though... but I can't be 100%.. I did read my Bible abit back then.. that's what truly makes me worry..but there are a bunch of Bible verses that are against this
1 John 1:9
John 6:37
Romans 8:1
Romans 8:38
Hebrews 13:5
He won't let anyone snatch u out of his hand. I've been saying I don't want to live anymore... if I was destined for hell why would God create me? All that the father gives to me will comes to me he won't cast out. Jesus said the phrarases (not spelled right) that they were on the path to the unforgivable sin.. which is probably like a hardened state of non repentance.. I had peace for years after that incident.. it must not have bothered me afterwards until years later when I asked someone about a Bible verse and they read it out of context... then I asked the ladies to pray for me.. the one prayed if it's your will that she should be saved...... totally contrary to scripture.. I also didn't have an earthly father so that doesn't help... I've looked up over 80 articles and asked multiple people within the last 2 weeks...
@@Jj-kw1cd just keep clinging to Him as best you can..like Mark says there's no life in thinking this way. We know Jesus is the way. Regardless of how we feel. Our pattern of thinking is off. And the what if's just floor us. I said a prayer for you.
@@bowmadman9562 thank you so much. I just hope I'm still saved... if you'd like I would love to talk to someone. I've never had a lower point in my life.....
@@Jj-kw1cd I understand how you feel. I'm not sure if I'll be much help but I'll talk to you if you want.
@@bowmadman9562 I guess... idk if God actually condemned me..... which is against scripture and his nature, right? Also I don't have a dad.. that doesn't help.... and my family is fighting right now... so I went to the park on my ebike... I just feel so alone and miserable
I consider this OCD as a blessing actually. Before im not into worship, prayers and reading the bible. But because of this, i become holy and holier. The longer you have this the holier you will become, trust me! I think its a God’s gift. And we know anything from Christ, it must have suffering. So this is it! Its his way to save us to be more closer to him! If attacks happen, this verse is so effective just say it in your head “ The God of Peace will soon crush satan under your feet.” And it works! God bless you all. ❤️
I personally will pray on all of my old textbooks!
Can you do a video like this specifically on relationship OCD?
Yes I will soon. That was my worst OCD battle.
My daughter struggles with this and it breaks my heart. I am searching for ways to help her. 😪
EAGLE & CROW
The only bird that dares to peck an eagle is the crow.
It sits on his back and bites his neck.
The eagle does not respond, nor fight with the crow; it does not spend time or energy on the crow.
It just opens its wings and begins to rise higher in the heavens.
The higher the flight, the harder it is for the crow to breathe and then the crow falls due to lack of oxygen.
Learn from the eagle and don't fight the crows.
Just keep ascending.
They might be there for the ride but they will fall off as you soar to the top.
INCREASE YOUR CAPACITY TO SOAR!
When your capacity is increased in any area, you out grow and conquer battles, challenges, seen or unseen.
These thoughts that comes into your mind are from the devil and all you have to do is ignore them. Fly high with God and the higher you go and the more you ignore the more these thoughts will run out of oxygen.
Isaiah 40:31
But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.
KEEP GOING!
KEEP GROWING!!
KEEP GROANING!!!
KEEP GLOWING!!!!
DON'T GIVE UP!!!!!
I didn’t realize it either I was dealing with this
Jesus saved me by grace. I thank him and Believe in him by Faith. ❤I'm struggling alot but everyone is.
This describes my journey exactly… wow…
I really try, but I can't shake of the feeling of shame guilt and disgust 😔 so every time the images and thoughts pop up and I keep not responding, they feed off of the images and thoughts giving me confirmation that it's me.
I wonder if that’s why Martha was doing so much
That’s a good point! Very good one.
Definitely what is happening to me
Hey Mark when you say talking it out can that apply with talking it out with yourself. I talk out a lot but I do it with God when I’m by myself... is that that same thing?
I feel like i just lost a spiritual warfare and i lost all hope . It was about a really difficult decision about a medical treatment and i made the wrong choice i feel like i got tempted by the devil. I dont know if this is real or ocd
Is neuroplasticity an effective method for scrupolosity pure ocd?
Statler n Waldorf
Weirdly, they were always my favorite Muppets..
That's because there are sooo many scriptures that condemn! I'm too tired to dig them up.
"Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,"
Romans 8:1 NIV
if you've accepted Jesus there is NO condemnation! Have peace in Jesus brother.
@@NN-mb4ci Amen
It says in the genesis that God created the plants of the earth to satiate humanity and I believe that applies to drugs too.
I related to Martin Luther when I watched a documentary on him.
5th precinct mom I realize prosecuting my biological mother can only do harm and that is why she is peaceably reading this right now but I will pray for her eternal salvation on the holy Bible because I as her son believe in it. God created the plants of the earth and protected drugs under god to a certain limit.
Statler and Waldorf.
I agree with the add I just watched that not on this earth means god!
I am praying for my mother who is a drunken Emailer who knows not the ways of chemical engineering or God. I advised her to read quantum mechanics seriously because I want her probability and statistics to support my chemical engineering! Mom I am not anti statistics I am simply changing the way you apply statistics based on my goals!
Listening to this makes me so mad and sad.
Why?
If all rooms are equal than so help me god.
This concept of Bible study n ocd mix tape is 5th precinct cops idea.
There is help for people like me?😢
Yes ❤
Absolutely! 🕉
Losing a lot of faith on this battle.
Stay strong in Christ, you are not your thoughts and God knows ur heart.
Sorry kelsey sathers boyfriend I am praying for you too!
My prayer is for God to give me meaning and an ethical life studying chemical engineering next semester.
My Pastor doesn’t do what you say he does. Never talks about Bible when talking about scrupulousity.
Nehemiah 9 a day of fasting and confessions is my prayer verse for a better relationship with my parents.
Guess who used to drink wine and email with her computer!
Weed tobacco and alcohol to the holy Bible at 2 am! I am stretching legal American freedom to the max to advance the gospel! I am a true street Christianity patriot!!!
Lol...now you're talking about Martin Luther.
i hate satan
Gaby hedberg I still pray for your experience as a Latina and your interest in biology sometimes.
So the way I would describe milk is a mammal derived fluid with high nutritional value but has high metabolic costs upon digestion.
Runescape cop and I used to talk about genetics. My mom has a PhD in probability and statistics and i enjoy quantum mechanics.
A certain one has obtained a can of beer from the fridge, that's something I would educate my mother about.