Can Christians fall away once they are saved? R.C. Sproul
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I absolutely agree with dear R. C. Sproul, my late sweet brother IN Christ! True regenerated believers ARE preserved by our Loving Savior and CANNOT LOSE THEIR SALVATION! To God alone be the GLORY!!!❤
Amen! Thank you for sharing these excellent biblical teachings of the late Dr. R.C. Sproul.
Actually I was showing the teachings of the Bible. RC sproul teaches whatever John Calvin says. The Bible is my teacher.
Excellent teaching! Thank you for posting this. All praise to our Sovereign God! 🙌 We are kept by the power of His might.
22:19 “But my confidence rests in the power of Christ to sustain me with His grace and by the power of His intercession for us, that He is going to bring us safely through.” What a Savior and Lord we have! He bought us with His own blood. He is our Good Shepherd. ❤️
Great message...comforting to the soul...❗️
Praise God 🙏
no one "looses" salvation once if they have truly been a believer. However, you can certainly reject the same salvation (or can you really?). Now I don't know how far you've got to get to where you are absolute in never coming back. I've never been so far away that the Holy Spirit didn't keep drawing me back. How many times can that happen to a believer? I can speak from experience..........I just don't know. Even when I was away from God, I could feel Him perpetually prodding me. I could not escape it.
If you're the repentant sinner and He's the saviour, His death on the cross paid for all your sins. However, no one who keeps on sinning deliberately, meaning you are not sorry for your sins, is one of His sheep.
You can reject your choosing/sanctification/inheritance/kingdom of heaven/God, and not be worthy to enter the kingdom/blotted out. You cant reject your rebirth/calling/justification/gift/OSAS.
I see your point! Yet what you are saying is that the bible is not saying what it is appearing to be saying about departing from the living God. There are more scriptures that clearly state that one can indeed, make void one's salvation. However, I humbly suggest to you that this issue is not the most deadly issue. To be taught that Christ DID NOT die for the sins of ALL humanity is the the HERESY THAT WILL LEAD TO DAMNATION, because this doctrine, nullifies The Grace, Mercy, and Love that God has for ALL. It paints a picture of God that is created from the natural intellect of man and not from the God whose thoughts and ways are HIGHER than ours. This doctrine also hinders the purpose of God calling believers to be witnesses and bear fruits, and to be lights in this world, for the purpose of drawing people to Christ. Matthew chapter 5 verse 16 . I encourage you to consider the implications of the True character of God that this doctrine is promoting. I offer to you that God has no respect of persons. Romans chapter 2 verse 11. And that He desires ALL to be born-again, and not only that, He desires those of us who are saved to be witnesses of His salvation through faith in Christ for the salvation of our souls in the hopes that whosoever will, shall come to Christ by faith for the salvation of their souls that they shall not perish when they leave this world. To reject this is to reject the Gospel of Christ. You actually do have a choice!
Thank you for your reply. If one can make void one's salvation then that is indeed critical. You have to realize that we are tri part as God is, we are spirit (intuition, conscience, and communicator), soul (intellect, emotion, will), body (blood, flesh, bone). All three died in the garden (death means separation) and all three must be redeemed. The spirit at rebirth, the body at the rapture, and the soul either at the judgement seat of Christ or at the end of the Millennium. Read 1 Thes 5.23. The spirit (calling) rebirth is irrevocable per Romans 11.29 and other verses. The soul is our choice by sanctification to pursue or not and the inheritance comes by it per Acts 20.32/26.18. Justification is the first step and one can lose his soul/be blotted out of which you referred to about losing your salvation. Total salvation is acquired when one is serving Christ in a glorified body (flesh and bone animated by the Holy Spirit) in the Millennium for 1K years. This is being chosen and many are called but few are chosen. Scripture is about salvation of the soul per 1 Pt 1.9, Hebrews 10.39, and James 1.21. The kingdom is what Christ is king of and what He taught on Earth to Israel, but they rejected it and Him per Mt 21.43. We are that nation and must produce fruit. This is obscure in scripture because the kingdom isnt taught and must be strived for and nobody wants that/reward plus or minus. God bless.
@@johnhoffman8203 agree .. peace+love>
There are several verses that warn against falling away. It would be pretty pointless if “falling away” didn’t happen.
Nobody would argue o/wise, but it's in the *DEFINING* of "falling away" that's the issue.
@@Kman. Falling away….. abandoning your faith…. not completing the “ race” as Paul warns. To “ remain” in Him….. to keep the faith…. etc etc. The purpose of our lives is to see who will endure. To see who will be found worthy to reign with Him. Seems 1/3 of the New Testament would be futile if we were all on autopilot. We are not robots. Freewill my friend.
@@GTRalso i agree with you. we don't lose our faith like we lose our keys. There are those who shipwreck their faith.
*Election and Foreordination*
*“We believe God did foreordain and devise a PLAN from the foundation of the world by which He would SAVE man, and further, He did foreordain from the beginning, all men throughout the ages who would ACCEPT and BE WILLING TO CONFORM to this PLAN, should be SAVED; so that everyone in HARMONY with His power and liberty of choice who shall CHOOSE ETERNAL LIFE through God’s PLAN was foreordained to ETERNAL SALVATION.”*
Not in the Bible. Sorry. That's just Leighton Flowers reasoning.
@@blchamblisscscp8476 Easy to say, but no scriptures from the Bible to prove your empty comment. Maybe you're the "better theologian" than any of us.
*“The Devil is a better theologian than any of us and is a Devil still” - A.W. Tozer (1897-1963).*
You can’t buy salvation can’t earn it it’s a gift from GOD through his son JESUS and you can’t loose it if you could you would
yes the bread of life discourse in john 6 shows jesus disciples falling away. if it can happen to people who personally knew him and followed him for years, it can happen to anyone
Define grace!
@@kurtweiand7086 A participation in the life of christ. it is a free gift that god makes to us of his own life, infused by the holy spirit into our soul to heal it fom sin and sanctify it
@@kurtweiand7086Unmerited favor.
Wjm5972 , did you read the full chapter or u stopped at they turned away never to walk with him again. But if you continue reading. Jesus goes on to say no one can come to me unless the father draws him. All that the father gives me, come to me and I will cast none of them out but raise them up on the last day. So who ends up falling away. None
@@frankkhoshaba7648 Well said.
If you are Trusting in Jesus Christ ALONE for your Salvation you have been "Sealed unto the Day of Redemption"Eph:4:30, Because True Believers are Trusting in Jesus Alone NO ONE CAN BREAK THAT SEAL-NOT EVEN OURSELF!!!!!!!
Sure David caresh was sealed with a guarantee that he was the second coming no one can break that seal. You’re all like “I’m sealed.”… but nobody else can be. Totally pathetic. Pa thet ic pathetic pathetic,
So Jesus keeps us hostage. Got it.
AMEN 🙏 🙏 🙏
So 'Faith, Hope and LOVE abide these three, but THE GREATEST of these is LOVE'... 1Cor.13:13
Side Comment: I wish that these UA-cam™ messages required the publisher to state the *_date message was originally given_* . Dr. R.C. Sproul had to severely discipline his own adult son, publicly. Wonder if this happened before/after this message?
The only thing that matters are we honoring God with our hearts and not just our lips! Are we seeking to live a life of sacrafice for Gods glory, growing in knowledge of who he is for his glory! If not we must do some soul searching as Paul said! "See if you be in the faith."
I have a question…the 2 men, whom Jesus said “depart from me for I never knew you”, probably believed that they were true, real followers of Jesus…obviously they were wrong. You probably know what’s coming next, How do you EVER know that you are truly saved in Gods eyes?
Can a believer become an unbeliever? and still be saved? Like in John 6:66 where disciples decided not to walk with Jesus anymore.
Can you be severed from Christ? and fall from grace? and still be saved Gal 5:4
Can you depart from the faith, give heed to deceitful spirits and doctrine of demons and still be saved?
Can I walk in darkness and still be saved? or must I walk in the light? 1 John 1:6-7
Can I be saved and not obey the commandments of the Lord? read 1 John
Can I walk in the flesh and still be saved? fornication, adultery, etc......never ever repent and still be saved? or must I walk in the Spirit? Romans 8
Can I go to heaven and not do the will of the Father? Matt 7:21
We are saved by faith, an obedient faith, not a dead faith and we become children of God by faith when we are baptized into Christ, when we put Christ on, Gal 3:26-27
John 10; 11“I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep. 12But a [b]hireling, he who is not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them. 13The hireling flees because he is a hireling and does not care about the sheep.
There are plenty of "churches" out there today who are seeing this scattering of the sheep. Standing firm on the Truth of Gospel, I have been run off from churches through the decades, but I still confess Christ And Him crucified for my sins.
I suppose some of the people at these churches made a judgment about my spiritual condition, simply because I'm no longer there. A lot of these places like to beat up on the true sheep of Christ, and then cast judgment upon them when they leave. But we who have been sealed by the Holy Spirit of God hear his voice. Another we will not listen to.
Was the thief on the cross baptized justified go through Mary or go to pergutaty or confess to a priest or take cuminun or have the last rights. JESUS ALONE.
In the past I believed that one can lose one salvation but when I read the Gospel of John specifically ch 6, 10 and 17 my opinions changed. Jesus came to do the Father's will. He came to preach repentance, he came to obey the law, he came to heal the blind and sick, he cast out demons, he came to save the elect given to him by the Father and finally he promised he will not lose any of them. One who believes one can lose their salvation forget 1) the relationship we have with God in our walk, 2) that our faith is only maintained by God's grace and 3) that God loves us and will never abandon us. God is all powerful and will never be defeated by anyone not the demons and especially us humans.
Jesus is not defeated when we fall away. We are defeated.
@@tomgarrison5313 the reason you are saved is because of Jesus and our Lord promise he will protect us from the evil one to ensure our salvation. Therefore if a person loses their salvation it means Jesus has not fulfilled his promise. Please I would like to give you some verse if you are open sir?
We can't lose something that is not in our hands.
@@JesusistheonetrueGod Amen we are saved by grace through faith. Faith is the instrument of our salvation but grace is the reason we are saved given to us by God.
@@MrLegionofman Amen brother
Judas Iscariot was with them for 3 years. None of the others knew he wasn't with them. But he certainly showed his true condition in the end.
Question How to be saved? Dual life The believer must know One decaying other forever physical to Spiritual
First of all we are also warned in the scriptures to avoid foolish questions and genealogies. Secondly, if anyone would truly be honest they would admit that there is no way we can absolutely know the answer to this question. I have received Jesus Christ by faith through the cross of Calvary by the blood that Jesus shed on the cross for remission of sins, we are all regardless still sinners who live in a sinful world, we must constantly confess our sins and repent of our sins it is a lifelong daily journey, what we should all do if we are going to name the name of Christ if we are going to be followers of Christ,
How do we know, or how can we be assured? 2 Pe 1:10 says the responsibility is on us. I really believe Reformed doctrine falls short here exactly the same way i believe entire sanctification falls short... I've never known one person with a so-called second baptism who is perfect or can be. Now I'm not saying we should just throw in the towel and give up because we can't... the Bible says it is our responsibility to be perfect. We can't do it but we're still called to have the right attitude. Those who decided everything was ok & just gave up on their faith... those people along with the people who never knew Christ are in jeopardy. The blasphemers are already writing me comparing their life to mine but the difference is easy to see if they just weren't under the delusion they are under... partly of their own doing and partly because God promised if they refuse Him He would give them over.
If you can "lose" you salvation, then you couldn't have been "saved" in the first place. How can you lose your salvation that you didn't earn in the first place. But there are some passages in the bible which give the idea that you can lose your salvation.
A person can't lose what they never had
Be born again and study the Bible. Context, context, context. History and theology. Let the Spirit of God illuminate the Word and ask for wisdom and knowledge. Denied yourself and carry your cross. Don’t practice sin. Be righteous and holy as God. We will fail. But God never fails. The triune God has the power to save who He wants saved. Have faith in His Word. And don’t doubt His power. Read the scripture and you will find out that once saved, always saved. If you are a true born again christian you will see that it’s Gods promise to save who he wants to save. I doubted too. But now as a follower of Jesus Christ, I now see in His Word clearly that we are sealed by the Holy Spirit till the day, he returns. And there’s plenty of verses in the Scriptures, but that’s why read the history, and who the authors is speaking to and how can we apply this to ourselves and let’s not take the word out of context we cannot play fast and loose with the text.
Amen well said! He who began a good work in you will finish it!
Our good works are as filthy rages, the Bible makes it quite clear to divide the word of Truth. Essentially, we must strive to be Holy and turn from Sin, However we cannot do this perfectly, and no acts or works will ever aid us into entering the Kingdom. Our acts, and works, motivations are based on if we are TRULY saved, many do not understand this. A good tree will bear good fruit, a bad tree will bear bad fruit. Salvation is a supernatural work of God, Grace is unmerited favor, this cannot be earned.
Many are fakes, God knows who they are just make sure it's not you
Signs of the last days before Son of man returns, many will fall away from this faith and take heed of the doctrines of the devil, Which faith are they leaving? Are they in the faith for them to fall away from it, or they are not in the faith but none the less fall away from it?
Wonder how long everlasting and eternal is? 🤔
Just what it says, and it is true of Hell and of that new Paradise Heaven and Earth! It is also true of ALL who will end in Hell, and true of ALL who will end in the new Paradise Heaven and Earth! Christ JESUS of Nazareth said based upon our life and deeds/works, one or the other will be our ETERNAL, EVERLASTING, ETERNITY! We can believe man! Or, we can believe HIM who holds ALL POWER in Heaven and Earth, including our last breath, in HIS Hand! Our body, our choice!
David was done. Davids prayers were no longer answered. Psalms. God hears the prayers of the righteous but is far from the wicked. Proverbs.
This is what happens when you hyper focus on your own salvation. It’s not about you.
If the Bible tells me to be careful lest i fall away from the faith then I'll believe the Bible than any theologian. Salvation is not a matter of theology.
Saddening to see so many living in fear…illiteracy is rampant
Is it fear?
Hebrews chapter 3 verses 12, 13, and 14.
Thanks for the reference
@@vdmerwejo You're welcome!
Yes that is the correction that scripture tells us that faith is the instrument of our salvation. But the bible also tells us that God will keep us from falling away completely because he promised to protect us. Which is what this text is clearly doing. It is warning us to be faith and not fall away but it is not contrary to the doctrine of perseverance.
@@MrLegionofmanthe protection only comes from following the directions. Putting on the armour of God with the word of God so ye may stand against the wiles of the devil. The devil is anyone who misrepresents God. One cannot see the lie if they do not know the truth. God does his part, we must do our part.
@@markwillhite9200 Yes we do our part but God also does his and he is more powerful than all especially the devil or us. Therefore the idea that one loses ones salvation is contrary to scripture because if what you say is true that men can fall to the lies of the devil then does that mean the devil defeated God? Especially since Jesus promised that all that is given to him shall have eternal life because it is the Fathers will that he lose none.
Are you sure you are Saved..?
What is the evidence..?
Jesus said except a man be born of Water and of Spirit he can not enter into the kingdom of God
What is born of Water and Spirit...?
In the case of king David and Peter, they were not born again yet when they commit those major sins because Jesus has not died yet and pour out to them the Holy Spirit which happened only at the book of Acts chapter 2.. Another error of Calvinism...
"Jesus died once and for all" (Romans 6:10)
But how do we know the Lord wrote our name in the book?
Being birn again, having faith I guess
@@cendallitak8140Romans 8:16
For the Spirit himself giveth testimony to our spirit, that we are the sons of God.
When we repent and turn to Christ and get born again, then he puts our name in the book of life.
Sure they can. Otherwise the Holy Ghost wouldn't tell believers to hold fast. And many other exhortations to not turn back. Men's ideas or thoughts do not trump the plain word of God. Just 1 here. Colossians 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
Believers need to keep their garments white and clean. 1 John 1:9
That would depend on what is meant by "fall away"?
"Effectually called" ??? GOD calls every sinner, and only those that choose to follow HIM until the end of this lifetime get Saved.
AT NO PLACE IN THE BIBLE can one find "Once saved always saved;" however, in at least seven places, THE SPIRIT makes more than plain that IF, IF, IF, we ENDURE IN CHRIST JESUS of Nazareth, UNTIL OUR END, then we shall be saved! Where is all the adding to, which GOD ALMIGHTY hates, coming from, especially in these last of the last days? As GOD ALMIGHTY has said, we MUST endure in this race in HOLINESS, in RIGHTEOUSNESS, being PERFECT, as HE, until our end, then win! We can believe man, or HIM who holds ALL POWER, including our last breath, in HIS Hand! More-and-more, I understand why HE had to shorten the days! More-and-more, I understand why the RIGHTEOUS shall SCARCELY be saved! That "Once saved always saved" lie has SURELY caused that growing increase in the mockery being made of GRACE through faith in Christ JESUS of Nazareth, and that growing number of "Depart from me" castaways! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
Can’t be cut off unless grafted in first.So it’s believers who are cut off not unbelievers. The dycotemy presented here is false
Yes , in Heb it says it's impossible to fall away and be brought back to repentance , wake up everyone , Sproul is a false teacher , wake up .
God will not leave you, but you can leave God. Adultry is a man leaving God or a wife leaving her husband. Without biblical grounds.
full payment by God holds always, for everyone, so dont let yourself be slaves to people any more (ie dont do sin through being under law). gospel is not about law, its the opposite of law. dont judge.
How is the opening with a long winded repeat of what a man had to say not a red flag this is going to be a trainwreck?
Might as well give this video the title of Calvinism.
This is the complete opposite of what the Catholic church teaches, that you can lose your justification but be restored by its sacrament of penance and system of indulgences whereby you have to do good works in order to regain your justification. And when those are done, God has to accept you back. Salvation by faith, yes, but plus good works which goes against Ephesians 2:8,9 which states: "NOT by works in case anyone should boast."
True
Catholic church makes no sense to me. Lets exclude the fact that its not biblical. How do they see the sacrifice of Jesus the only sinless ,,person''. Galatians 2:21 ,,
I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”. I am afraid some of those Catholics might hear the verse haven't we done this this and that and this in your name....
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Hebrews 6
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6 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
Yes sir , IF a person is saved and loses salvation, Jesus would have to purchase their salvation again on the cross , and I don't think that's going to happen,
However if he we have received salvation and let us live as if we have let us be a light to the world, stop all the denominational arguing about nonsensical matters live each day as if Christ is coming back
incorruptible seed means incorruptible (righteousness), like saved means saved ,osas .. peace+love>
"pastors" sometimes use the "..but they were not of us" after they bully a believer out of their congregation. The "us" John is referring to is the Apostolic doctrine once for all given to the saints - it refers to supposed churches not being part of the True Church.
Didn't R.C. Sproul use the same verse: "but they were not of us?" Do you believe the theologian was incorrect on this area?
@bobbyadkins.... Would be advisable for you to just believe what Jesus promised in John 10:28 and not try to figure it out by your faulty reasoning.
I'm 63 have less than 4yrs of marriages if he
Wants me married
I think it well be funny 😂❤
You cannot fall away if you are a true born-again believer
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6 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
Amen
Do you have free will?
Of course you can
There are far too many who got born again and were following God, who have fallen away. I know some of them. We have free will. God never takes away our free will choice.
Read 2Peter chapter 2 - all of it! Sorry my dear Baptist or Calvinist friends but no it is not guaranteed if one chooses to walk away
I'm not Calvinistic, but what are you basing that on? Didn't Paul say to a WORLDLY church, that we *ALLLLLLLLL* will be changed?
Stay far away from Calvinism.
Yes, indeed! Trust in your own good sense and ability to make Godly choices no matter what it says in Romans, Ephesians, and John. I mean, its all about the better choices I've made versus the choices my actual brother has made. Same for you, right? Just a better person making better choices.
The ESV removed 33,000 words from the Bible. God removed their names from the book of life.
The ESV is not the word of God. Yes, he removed the translators names from his book.
My fear is that I am no better than Judas, as had as saying that may be.
If you believe Jesus is who he says he is you are already ,,better'' than Judas. Matthew 16:14-17 implies knowing that Jesus is the son of god and the second person of the trinity comes directly from the Father. Judas never believed.
You would really steal money, and betray the son of God to murderers?
The phrase “word salad” comes to mind!
*Calvinism is a FALSE GOSPEL.* Jesus died for *ALL of us* (John 1:29), (John 3:16,17), (John 4:42), (2 Corinthians 5:14, 15), (Romans 5:18), (1 Timothy 2:6), (1 Timothy 4:10,11)...etc. Because He is an incredibly loving and merciful God!
A “god” who has billions of souls in His hands, all of them sinners, and who, being able to choose, chooses the *immense majority* to be destroyed in hell!!, not to be saved… could be sovereign, but *He is NOT a loving God, he is NOT a merciful God.*
My calvinist friend, you are not better than anyone. God didn't see anything special in you. Nothing. You are not worth a cent more than any of the billions of souls that your “god” is going to send to hell without any possibility of choice.
The only reason God could choose you without violating His character, without being a respecter of persons, (Romans 2:11) is because He knew in advance that you would respond positively to His call.
“For many are called, but few
*CHOSEN.* ” (Matthew 22:14)
*FREE WILL = LOVE!!*
"I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; *CHOOSE,* therefore..." (Deuteronomy 34:19).
Also, *the Bible does NOT say that we are totally depraved beings.* Be very careful friends! This statement could well come from the mouth of satan himself, who is completely depraved. *We still carry the image of God!* Let's not forget it. And because of that, we can *BELIEVE* and respond freely to God's call for salvation.
*That limited atonement is an abomination.* Heresy of great caliber. There is nothing exclusive or limited about the cross. Nothing!! *He paid for ALL our sins* (Isaiah 53:6), (1 John 2:2), (John 12:47), (1 John 4:14), (Titus 2:11), (Hebrews 2:9). That is why Jesus commands us to preach to every creature in every nation.
Irresistible grace? Not only is it a heretical concept (Acts 7:51), but it is absurd in its essence. Grace is a gift by definition. A gift that cannot be refused... is not a gift, it is an imposition.
*Once saved, always saved, no matter what you do, it is one of the devil's biggest and best lies.* The Spirit of God is not up to nonsense! The entire New Testament is full of warnings, from Jesus and Paul, against apostasy. Warning someone of a danger that does not exist is stupid. The Spirit of God would never do such a thing. We need to study the Bible, but we urgently need to take off our Calvin glasses so we can see. Prayer and fasting. By the way, cessationism is another heresy. *All* the gifts of the Holy Spirit operate today for the glory of the Lord. God wants you to know it. (Sorry for my english)
*THE END IS NEAR.*
Okay so my good work will save me? Am I saving my self or is God saving me or is it both.
If I, has a man have a significant part in my salvation? How do I measure it? How many good work do I need to do? Or how do my work towards abstain from sin should measure up to, before I obtain my salvation?
The Bible does not teach a formula of discovery so that an individual may have confidence that they are saved. The Bible teaches that we are saved by Faith alone and anyone who teaches that any person instead can know their salvation is assured is lying from a heart of pride. Saying that you know you are saved is the same as claiming that, by the power of your own intellect, you are responsible for your own salvation. People, a Christian is called to perfect their Faith through the most intimate of relationships with the Father. There is no secret formula or steps of logic and reasoning to be found by the intellect that circumvents the Creators prerequisite. If a person can know, then trust/faith becomes redundant. Don't be fooled by theologians who have claimed there is a way to know. As humans, we seek assurance to avoid faith. The reality is that no assurance of anything is given in this life - every single human who ever lived, Christian and non Christian, can testify to that.
1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Quoting scripture is fantastic, can you please explain where this 'knowledge' comes from. That is; believing something is to be convinced/satisfied in ones own mind, it does not mean knowing. If one were to 'know', where does faith fit in? If one 'knows', what is the purpose of developing faith and to what end does one develop faith?
Many Christians were taken and to hell by jesus, and they would ask who is this person and Jesus said they once knew me, in other words they were saved they knew me but they decided to go down another road, the wide road.. once saved always saved is a tradition of men thought of buy a Protestant man it's not in the holy book, quit listening to Protestant men they have over 70,000 different denominations in many different interpretations so which one are you going to follow, I follow the ancient Church Jesus, and his first Christian church..
Sadly Christianity is dying out in the west. Due to a number of factors. 1 The Clergy who should be preaching the Gospel and caring for their flock. 2. Scandals in the Church and other facts.
If we could lose our salvation, the work CHRIST did on the cross is pointless along with the sanctification of the Holy Spirit... think about it folks
If God decide to save some and some not ,then he make acception,then he is not impartial,if he is not impartial,he's not just and if he is not just he can't be God ,but thanks God I know men , scribes,teachers are wrong in this approach,no matter what they teach ,I know God's will is that " all " be save and come to the knowledge of truth ,so if Gods might can't perform to the level of his will ,then he is not God and he can't be trusted.but I know men are wrong ,not God
@@felixntui4729 ETERNAL SECURITY is BIBLICAL
Our bodies as believer is The temple of The living God
I figured out that Jesus saved everyone.
Romans 5:18-20 says that Jesus's work on the cross nullifies Adam's curse.
Adam sold everyone into slavery but Jesus's work on the cross is so much more than Adam's evil act.
The more sin there is the more grace abounds.
You Christians think you are good because you accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, but you're not good at all.
Which of you is doing any good works?
You accept Jesus's work on the cross but the Bible says everyone is going to bow the knee and confess Christ as Lord.
The Bible says everyone will make an allegiance to God.
God will not deny who He is just because you sin.
God is so much bigger than that.
He will NEVER remember your sins.
If you do not repent and forsake sin, God cannot and will not save you. There is an accounting. Universalism is a lie, and all who believe such fallacy will land in hell on judgment day.
Don't allow a misunderstanding of that verse you quoted cost you your salvation. You still need Jesus. That verse is not what you think it is
It sounds like malarkey
OSAS is unbiblical, illogical and undermines Jesus example.
That this is a question shows utter lack of understanding.
So you're saying that question should not even be asked because it's so basic elemental that nobody once they are saved can be unsaved?
@@eric_sandstrom That's correct. Once saved always saved.
@@eric_sandstromdouble correct!
@@danaleanne38 The elect will always be preserved.
He does not know what he is talking about. Excommunication is three chances to admit wrong. If you do not admit wrong you are kicked out. What is bound on earth will be bound in heaven. What is loosed on earth will be loosed in heaven.
You can lose your salvation if you don't repent. You can urge all you want about this but didn't Christ says, "Many will claim to know me and I will say I do not know you!"
So, stop sinning and committing anti-god behavior.
They were never saved to begin with,can't lose salvation if so then how do I get it back
One profound lies of Calvinist he is preaching denomination theology not Bible I can blow all this with one verse Heb 6:6 falling away
Want to know the truth. Read the Bible for yourself and you will find out that the answer is yes. That's why we're warned in the Bible, in order to help us from doing so. Those who don't believe we can fall away, don't believe the warnings of the Bible and don't take heed to them.
Peace! 🙏😊🙏
John 10:27-30
King James Version
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
Bobby:
How do you define "fall away"!
@@eric_sandstrom To "fall away" = to have salvation at one point in time and then not have salvation at a point later in time.
They were never saved to begin with. Self deceived.@@feargodandlive8352
I read the Bible. And the answer is an emphatic NO!!!!!
OSAS is the answer!
Look at all those people who listen to Sproul as if Sproul knew exactly what God is, what he says, and what he wants. They aren't listening to God, but they think they are. They treat what Sproul says as if he speaks for God. Sproul himself will tell you exactly what the mind of God is....or so he pretends to.
Osas is the biggest lie ever told. Hell will be full of backsliders😢
Depends on what you mean by "saved". If we could lose our salvation ..... we would all lose our salvation, every last one of us. We would all lose our salvation every single day. So at what point does God's grace actually kick in??
People who keep consistently sinning and show no fruit obviously were never saved in the 1st place. I don't know anyone who believes in OSAS that believes they can fool God about what is truly in their hearts and just keep sinning and showing no process of sanctification.
There only saved for judgment
Philippians 1:6, John 10:27-30 (Never perish), 1st John 5:13.
@@tomroyal6167 , anybody can read the sinners pray and be saved but you have to get baptized, sanctified, justified and purified to become Holy. Just stopping at being saved leaves the door wide open for judgment.
One must be baptized, sanctified, justified and purified. Osas is a lie.
OSAS is biblical.
@@markusw.2690, prove it
@@markusw.2690 , your only saved for judgment for believing such false doctrines.
@@sonicboom2723 The true church always teached OSAS!
@@markusw.2690, what religion are you because I've never heard of such in my 56 years on earth . Who teaches this blasphemy?
TOTAL BS PROMOTING FALSE CHRISTIANITY