Thanks you so much, very informative. I could not figure out why the autotune feature was greyed out(I thought maybe it just doesn't work on the s2000). I will try it as per you video. Thanks again.
For your convieneice i have marked the important sections 00:00 Intro & Setup 02:05 setting parameters 04:42 Selecting tuning tables 09:14 Start of actual autotune 11:10 analyzing the changes 13:58 3rd session 15:30 autotune put to a test 21:05 Analyzing results 22:10 turbo pulls
i wish i had Kpro to test myself but Hondata has this feature for Kpro4. So it should work. IF you are facing any difficulties why not post in Hondata Kpro forum. There might be many who can help you
Thank you soo much for this invaluable information. I have spent hundreds of dollars on distance tuning and re-tuning. And although my tuner is awesome, I really need to learn to do this myself. I am only full bolt on with Type R RRC intake manifold, larger 410cc fuel injectors, 70mm throttle body, Skunk 2 Cold Air Intake, race exhaust manifold and 2.75 cat-less exhaust system, I have the K20z3. hoping to make a K20/24 Frankenstein one day. So as I try to understand, the ECU and Flashpro can detect the extra air it is getting and will automatically adjust the Air to Fuel ratios? The Flashpro will automatically adjust cam angles also? Again thank you, this gives me the encouragement to learn myself so that I can auto tune. God Bless
yes ECU can detect extra air and adjust fuel accordingly. and for cam angles i suggest use a dyno to see which cam is best. and for ignition too. these two should be manually tuned. other things can be nicely tuned with autotne. i tuned my whole turbo with it LOl. its amazing feature. so many safety features. the key is in settings becasue you are giving full control to laptop/flashpro. so settings are the key to success. and Hondata basic setting already are amzing to begin with. Its best for people who constantly change the boltons and dont have to spend money on tune every time
Your primary o2 sensor/wideband provides a voltage to the ECU. The ECU then converts the voltage into an Air Fuel Ratio. While normal driving (closed loop/part throttle) The ECU has a "target AFR table" and compares them. If there's a difference it is calculated and applied as a Fuel Trim to keep AFR on target. The ECU also has Fuel and Ignition tables that decide how much fuel the injector should spray, and when the spark plug should fire. These tables are based off intake manifold pressure, and RPM. To make changes to your fuel tables you need to look at the RPM, MAP, and AFR in a datalog. In normal driving conditions (part throttle) your target AFR should be 14.7:1. Fuel trims will be applied to keep it there. You can follow the fuel trims to guide your changes to the table.(flashpro has a lambda overlay feature which makes it easier) While full throttle you will be in open loop and fuel trims will not apply. You will need to reference the RPM and MAP pressure in the datalog, and find the same spot in your fuel table to make changes. The target AFR for wide open throttle should be 12.5:1 for N/A cars. K series engines have VTC, this lets the cam rotate so the valve opens at different times. This allowes the ECU to optimise the amount of air being pulled into the engine. Because each angle allows for more or less air, you have a fuel and ignition table for each cam angle. The ECU will decide which cam angle to use with the "VTC table", which is based off rpm, and Intake manifold pressure. ( 0°, 15°, 30°, 40° ) each have their own fuel/spark table. * On a dyno, you would tune each cam angle and compare power at all rpm's to determine what changes to make to your VTC table. Spark/ignition tuning should start conservatively and be dialed in after tuning fuel for each cam angle. On a dyno, bump in timing while watching the torque increase. If you add more timing and no torque is gained then stop. Likewise if you're adding timing and you get knock count, stop. There's also some knock retard/control tables that can cause inconsistent spark timing, and can be bypassed. I'm not a tuner, I've just had flashpro for a while so some of my understanding may be flawed. 🤣 Any questions let me know!
@@A.QPerformance yes I've always tuned with datalogs .. seems much quicker and effective, I didn't try it because information on it has been so confusing and conflicting. I appreciate your time and effort to educate. 👏 🙏
I wanted to ask about an issue I am having to see if you could help? Plz. I have a 2007 Civic SI but uploaded a map and notice a problem after a wile. When I start the car and it revs up to 3k RPM’s normally when/after worming up the RPM’s would go down very normal but now there is like a hiccup around the 2300rpms. Rpms are going down normal and around 2300 it goes up to 2450 and then back down to 2300 continuing the the worm up process till it’s finished? Do you know why It does that? Never did before. I added modes Denso410cc, AEM fuel pump, k&n intake, new oem Map & Maf & o2.
Try a new map and see. If nothing switch back to OEM injectors and upload stock map. If problem remains u need mechanic to check what issue. If not it's tuning or injectors issue
I have 2007-11 Si ECU for which Hondata dropped support 3-4 years ago. So my options are same as seen in video. May be for newer gem Hondas options are limited for safety purpose or complexity purpose. And i dont plan nor like newer gens. So sorry buddy. You have to experiment on your own. But i have some recently tuned turbo autotune videos, i will try to upload
I can't see low speed fuel maps and I don't have the option to select high and low fuel on live tuning tables. It's not an option on my tables, and my software is updated. If I follow all these steps will it still tune my fuel without being on the right table?
make sure you have enabled right options. for example looking at flashpro menu, just below callibration there is fuel option. dont go into any sub menu and click on fuel. you will see expansion window opened to right. top are injector settings,next fuel pressure, keep coming down and you will see option 'fuel table type' there are two options here. use AFM or use speed density tables. if you check the fuel density option you will be able to see the high and low fuel tables.
Hello, would you know why I’m not getting the option for high fuel, low fuel? After selecting the two WOT at the bottom I use to see low & high fuel but it is not there now. Can you please help?
Yes just downloaded hondata flash pro 2 days ago and did stat the live tuning thanks to your video but 2 days past and saw the low & high fuel is not able to be selected and also not showing. So I was autotuning but today could not continue. I will try to updated the programe. Idk how i could start off again I already erased all my files to see if it was a memory issue but nothing.
@@A.QPerformanceafter selecting Low & high speed cam fuel table it only fills the green tab (Live Tuning Memory) to 6% and see WOT lambda adjustment high & low do get selected but can’t see low & high fuel to select. I will try updating the programe thanks again.
I cannot get this to work on kpro v4 I followed everything in your video do I need to be in open or closed loop I’ve followed everything to a T but I feel like kpro might be different
You dont need to be in any loop to work. Its the option you set prior to uploading the map which will determine if the autune will do tuning in close or open loop. Remeber its Autune not the live tune. Live tune hondata calls as when the car own ECU tunes itself rather than the laptop. It doest need the laptop. but its like giving complete control to 'Skynet'. So i have not tried it nor i recommend. just try 'Autotune'
You can order it on Hondata officual website or tell some importer to import for you.But 1.8L civic i think dont have any Hondata.remember these kind of things are for performance engines. Just put your ecu number on Hondata website and check its suppprted or not. If not supported,you have to swap in a k24 or k20 engine and use a K series ecu which is supported by Hondata. LOL a lot of work if you aks me but worth it
it depends which pin you wanna use.there is EGR,or second O2 sensor,or electronic load detector.there is nice info on Hondata website,just search Wideband input in flashpro.it tells the methods and which pin to use depending upon model of the car. in short decide which pin to use,search the ECU pinout diagram and loacate the pin/wire in the ECU wiring plugs. (B or C plug usually).remove that pin secure it sway or you can cut this pin wir and attach a new wire and attach that to wideband input.or you can request free new pin from Hondata and insert that in this place. after this all in software select the wideband input which pin you used.it will start working
Were you in open loop with closed disabled? Or closed loop wideband input (lambda target)? My hondata is s300 v3 version not sure it will work the same. Thanks for any info.
yeah don't let autotune the timing. always tune timing yourself/tuner. I already set the timing map myself to a safe timing in boost. Hondata maps are already very conservative under boost. so i just deducted the 1-2 degree more to be safe. Its not always the ARF's and Knock count which should be measured but EGT temperatures too. thats is very necessary to having the best timing set under boost along with Afr (lamda) and knock count.
I’m about to do a kswap and I’m trying to get into tuning with hondata but it looks a little confusing but you explained everything very well and I think I could get it from your video. Thank you a lot for this information
this covers basic methods to autotune. ofcourse when ever changes are made we reflash ecu with new changed map. than that map becomes the new base map and further tuned untill perfection/desired results are acheived.
hi man, great work you are doing! im using flashpro (3.7.5.0) on my fn2 and i believe now function (or just for my car model) is active fuel tuning. I have all 0ed table and music button is grayed out. can you help ?
I have especially covered this.you need to select the tuning tables than upload fresh map.than look at bottom left,are the options checked or not? Just watch the initial few minutes of video and you will know
this has not solved issue. i figured it my own and you did not mention in configuration that autotune does not work for afm(maf) - it needs to be done by a hybrid map with afm and selected map sensor for fuel tables as well. only in this way autotune can be used to tune fuel tables
@@_h1asd yes i explained tuning it with 'map sensor only' because i didt have a maf sensor.so i was not sure will it work or not for AFM callibrations.but all options are there.its just if someone put time in it learning.i just showed the way.
Hey bro I’m tryn to run the auto tune on my s300 but everytime I press on set up auto tune and doesn’t do anything and it also doesn’t display the music icon on my screen any advice ?
@@A.QPerformance nothing bro I can’t find it at all c if you got WhatsApp I can foward you what I got, the display is a little different then the flash pro you got there
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excellent video sir. thank you for sharing this valuable information. it has taught me a lot
Glad it helped
Thanks you so much, very informative. I could not figure out why the autotune feature was greyed out(I thought maybe it just doesn't work on the s2000). I will try it as per you video. Thanks again.
Glad i could help 🙂
For your convieneice i have marked the important sections
00:00 Intro & Setup
02:05 setting parameters
04:42 Selecting tuning tables
09:14 Start of actual autotune
11:10 analyzing the changes
13:58 3rd session
15:30 autotune put to a test
21:05 Analyzing results
22:10 turbo pulls
Getting the live tuning to work is where I think everyone is having a issue especially with kpro
i wish i had Kpro to test myself but Hondata has this feature for Kpro4. So it should work. IF you are facing any difficulties why not post in Hondata Kpro forum. There might be many who can help you
Thank you soo much for this invaluable information. I have spent hundreds of dollars on distance tuning and re-tuning. And although my tuner is awesome, I really need to learn to do this myself. I am only full bolt on with Type R RRC intake manifold, larger 410cc fuel injectors, 70mm throttle body, Skunk 2 Cold Air Intake, race exhaust manifold and 2.75 cat-less exhaust system, I have the K20z3. hoping to make a K20/24 Frankenstein one day.
So as I try to understand, the ECU and Flashpro can detect the extra air it is getting and will automatically adjust the Air to Fuel ratios? The Flashpro will automatically adjust cam angles also? Again thank you, this gives me the encouragement to learn myself so that I can auto tune. God Bless
yes ECU can detect extra air and adjust fuel accordingly. and for cam angles i suggest use a dyno to see which cam is best. and for ignition too. these two should be manually tuned. other things can be nicely tuned with autotne. i tuned my whole turbo with it LOl. its amazing feature. so many safety features. the key is in settings becasue you are giving full control to laptop/flashpro. so settings are the key to success. and Hondata basic setting already are amzing to begin with.
Its best for people who constantly change the boltons and dont have to spend money on tune every time
Your primary o2 sensor/wideband provides a voltage to the ECU. The ECU then converts the voltage into an Air Fuel Ratio. While normal driving (closed loop/part throttle) The ECU has a "target AFR table" and compares them. If there's a difference it is calculated and applied as a Fuel Trim to keep AFR on target.
The ECU also has Fuel and Ignition tables that decide how much fuel the injector should spray, and when the spark plug should fire. These tables are based off intake manifold pressure, and RPM.
To make changes to your fuel tables you need to look at the RPM, MAP, and AFR in a datalog. In normal driving conditions (part throttle) your target AFR should be 14.7:1. Fuel trims will be applied to keep it there. You can follow the fuel trims to guide your changes to the table.(flashpro has a lambda overlay feature which makes it easier)
While full throttle you will be in open loop and fuel trims will not apply. You will need to reference the RPM and MAP pressure in the datalog, and find the same spot in your fuel table to make changes. The target AFR for wide open throttle should be 12.5:1 for N/A cars.
K series engines have VTC, this lets the cam rotate so the valve opens at different times. This allowes the ECU to optimise the amount of air being pulled into the engine. Because each angle allows for more or less air, you have a fuel and ignition table for each cam angle. The ECU will decide which cam angle to use with the "VTC table", which is based off rpm, and Intake manifold pressure.
( 0°, 15°, 30°, 40° ) each have their own fuel/spark table. *
On a dyno, you would tune each cam angle and compare power at all rpm's to determine what changes to make to your VTC table.
Spark/ignition tuning should start conservatively and be dialed in after tuning fuel for each cam angle. On a dyno, bump in timing while watching the torque increase. If you add more timing and no torque is gained then stop. Likewise if you're adding timing and you get knock count, stop.
There's also some knock retard/control tables that can cause inconsistent spark timing, and can be bypassed.
I'm not a tuner, I've just had flashpro for a while so some of my understanding may be flawed. 🤣
Any questions let me know!
Fantastic information
Yeah,its so poweful and easy feature.people even dont try it for fear of something going wrong but i showed even tuned my turbo maps with it
@@A.QPerformance yes I've always tuned with datalogs .. seems much quicker and effective, I didn't try it because information on it has been so confusing and conflicting. I appreciate your time and effort to educate. 👏 🙏
what is the benefit of correcting fuel tables more finely beside just letting the close loop adjust from whatever the values are ?
I wanted to ask about an issue I am having to see if you could help? Plz. I have a 2007 Civic SI but uploaded a map and notice a problem after a wile. When I start the car and it revs up to 3k RPM’s normally when/after worming up the RPM’s would go down very normal but now there is like a hiccup around the 2300rpms. Rpms are going down normal and around 2300 it goes up to 2450 and then back down to 2300 continuing the the worm up process till it’s finished? Do you know why It does that? Never did before. I added modes Denso410cc, AEM fuel pump, k&n intake, new oem Map & Maf & o2.
Try a new map and see. If nothing switch back to OEM injectors and upload stock map. If problem remains u need mechanic to check what issue. If not it's tuning or injectors issue
Awesome video
Do you tune MAF using L.Trim before or after using this live tuning video I consider it would not matter but Im not sure and wanted to know?
Since it's turbo I had disabled MAF. But I think it should tune fine with it enabled. It can tune all simultaneously.
can you please make an updated video? it would help so much because for the auto tune selection there isnt as many options anymore.
I have 2007-11 Si ECU for which Hondata dropped support 3-4 years ago. So my options are same as seen in video. May be for newer gem Hondas options are limited for safety purpose or complexity purpose. And i dont plan nor like newer gens. So sorry buddy. You have to experiment on your own. But i have some recently tuned turbo autotune videos, i will try to upload
@@A.QPerformance yeah man upload them, im also learning how to use kpro
Thank you
I can't see low speed fuel maps and I don't have the option to select high and low fuel on live tuning tables. It's not an option on my tables, and my software is updated. If I follow all these steps will it still tune my fuel without being on the right table?
make sure you have enabled right options. for example looking at flashpro menu, just below callibration there is fuel option. dont go into any sub menu and click on fuel. you will see expansion window opened to right. top are injector settings,next fuel pressure, keep coming down and you will see option 'fuel table type'
there are two options here. use AFM or use speed density tables. if you check the fuel density option you will be able to see the high and low fuel tables.
Hello, would you know why I’m not getting the option for high fuel, low fuel? After selecting the two WOT at the bottom I use to see low & high fuel but it is not there now. Can you please help?
@@franciscopacheco9361 have you updated the firmware?at be they removed the feature
Yes just downloaded hondata flash pro 2 days ago and did stat the live tuning thanks to your video but 2 days past and saw the low & high fuel is not able to be selected and also not showing. So I was autotuning but today could not continue. I will try to updated the programe. Idk how i could start off again I already erased all my files to see if it was a memory issue but nothing.
@@A.QPerformanceafter selecting Low & high speed cam fuel table it only fills the green tab (Live Tuning Memory) to 6% and see WOT lambda adjustment high & low do get selected but can’t see low & high fuel to select. I will try updating the programe thanks again.
@@franciscopacheco9361 try uploading calibration again. Some time it needs fresh upload
@@franciscopacheco9361 Also which ECU you have?
Fucking nice!
I cannot get this to work on kpro v4 I followed everything in your video do I need to be in open or closed loop I’ve followed everything to a T but I feel like kpro might be different
You dont need to be in any loop to work. Its the option you set prior to uploading the map which will determine if the autune will do tuning in close or open loop. Remeber its Autune not the live tune. Live tune hondata calls as when the car own ECU tunes itself rather than the laptop. It doest need the laptop. but its like giving complete control to 'Skynet'. So i have not tried it nor i recommend. just try 'Autotune'
Very good 👍
Thankyou.it makes me happy that some one benefits from it
Hey where can i get the hondata flash pro in india . And is it a good tuner for a 2008 honda civic 1.8L (the indian civic )
You can order it on Hondata officual website or tell some importer to import for you.But 1.8L civic i think dont have any Hondata.remember these kind of things are for performance engines. Just put your ecu number on Hondata website and check its suppprted or not.
If not supported,you have to swap in a k24 or k20 engine and use a K series ecu which is supported by Hondata.
LOL a lot of work if you aks me but worth it
Great info thanks, can I ask how did you setup the wideband gauge (gauge in dash) in the hondata display? which ports did you use to set that up?
it depends which pin you wanna use.there is EGR,or second O2 sensor,or electronic load detector.there is nice info on Hondata website,just search Wideband input in flashpro.it tells the methods and which pin to use depending upon model of the car.
in short decide which pin to use,search the ECU pinout diagram and loacate the pin/wire in the ECU wiring plugs. (B or C plug usually).remove that pin secure it sway or you can cut this pin wir and attach a new wire and attach that to wideband input.or you can request free new pin from Hondata and insert that in this place.
after this all in software select the wideband input which pin you used.it will start working
Were you in open loop with closed disabled? Or closed loop wideband input (lambda target)? My hondata is s300 v3 version not sure it will work the same. Thanks for any info.
@@pitbullhaven i did disable close loop.the car was in close or open loop according to load.
Did you leave the timing stick under boost ? Good video thanks
yeah don't let autotune the timing. always tune timing yourself/tuner. I already set the timing map myself to a safe timing in boost. Hondata maps are already very conservative under boost. so i just deducted the 1-2 degree more to be safe. Its not always the ARF's and Knock count which should be measured but EGT temperatures too. thats is very necessary to having the best timing set under boost along with Afr (lamda) and knock count.
Can you do this with the s300 if possible isn’t really much to read about it
sorry I don't have s300 nor have a chassis I can do on. But basic principles are same.
Thankyou for your time reply all smanager software help says is ctrl+t but it don’t make changes the way your kpro is
@@single_cam9199 map should be freshly uploaded and settings configured property
What I’m trying to say is on yours you can physically see the changes, idk maybe my buttons are broke on my laptop
I only have one 1 question, did you reflash the ecu using the flash pro kit or did you just use a kpro v4 for the auto tuning?
I’m about to do a kswap and I’m trying to get into tuning with hondata but it looks a little confusing but you explained everything very well and I think I could get it from your video. Thank you a lot for this information
this covers basic methods to autotune. ofcourse when ever changes are made we reflash ecu with new changed map. than that map becomes the new base map and further tuned untill perfection/desired results are acheived.
@@A.QPerformance I know what you’re saying but I was wondering if I got the k pro v4 if I can auto tune just with that
@@relif.8937 Yes it has options to autotune. I dont own one because my cars only use flashpro. But similar rules apply to kpro v4
hi man, great work you are doing!
im using flashpro (3.7.5.0) on my fn2 and i believe now function (or just for my car model) is active fuel tuning. I have all 0ed table and music button is grayed out. can you help ?
I have especially covered this.you need to select the tuning tables than upload fresh map.than look at bottom left,are the options checked or not?
Just watch the initial few minutes of video and you will know
@@A.QPerformance now i see it - i missed wide open throttle lambda checks. will check if this solves issue, thanks
this has not solved issue. i figured it my own and you did not mention in configuration that autotune does not work for afm(maf) - it needs to be done by a hybrid map with afm and selected map sensor for fuel tables as well. only in this way autotune can be used to tune fuel tables
@@_h1asd yes i explained tuning it with 'map sensor only' because i didt have a maf sensor.so i was not sure will it work or not for AFM callibrations.but all options are there.its just if someone put time in it learning.i just showed the way.
Hey bro I’m tryn to run the auto tune on my s300 but everytime I press on set up auto tune and doesn’t do anything and it also doesn’t display the music icon on my screen any advice ?
I have covered this this thing in detail in my video.go through them
@@A.QPerformance nothing bro I can’t find it at all c if you got WhatsApp I can foward you what I got, the display is a little different then the flash pro you got there
@@JuanLopeZ-vc1ws the music icon is not there at all or its greyed out? If its not there,try using latest version and some other map
@@A.QPerformance it’s not there at all lol I got the latest s300 too
@@JuanLopeZ-vc1ws lol contact Hondata that.may be they have removed the feature from s300
Question: How many minutes programming per session?
Depends how off your map is.30 mins per session is more than enough
@@A.QPerformance My problem is that the lines keep crossing when i'm driving arroung 20-30 min. After I keep separating them after every session.
@@Earl_VTEC than don't allow big changes in map.just allow 5% instead of 10%.that will take more time but will be smoother
@@A.QPerformance ok i will try that and report you. Thanks!
@@A.QPerformance ok i report thats better - should I disable the option "use MAP to determine WOT"
Fantastic information