Hondata vs Standalone ECUs Why And When You Should Upgrade Your Engine Management
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- Опубліковано 19 січ 2020
- In this video we talk about standalone ECUs vs Hondata and comparing the two with real world examples.
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Apologies ahead of time to people who had to stare at my face and hear me talk for 26 minutes.
Thank God I was offended as fuck
the Haltech Flex fuel looks cool
tannerharkey 😒
I accept your apology... But only this time...
How do you guys feel about Honda tuning suite?
This is probably one of the most informative videos I've come across in awhile
Thank you so much for this video. This is the kind of thing I like : a good technical speech. 👌
Good explanation of the fundamentals. One way to put the differences in perspective is that Hondata, Moates Demons (Neptune), and any other grassroots Tuning platform for Honda's was basically built to be daughter-board drop-in's to the factory ECU, their by allowing access to what was otherwise factory restricted closed-loop programming, their by providing you open-loop tuning for your power goals beyond stock, but the take away is that the base of the OEM programming is closed-loop for optimal "stock" performance where you work around these parameters with the grassroots hardware in open-loop which many are a custom to.... With stand-alone systems, they're built from the get-go with access in mind, therefore they've placed much R&D into providing not only a platform that is pretty well plug-and-play (with vehicle adapter harnesses, etc), but is also closed-loop predominantly in real-time operation, and you focus on dialing in the system based on manufacturer data per your engine parts, and mathematics that apply no matter your setup and limitations which is ideal for what a stand alone system covers these days.... Flexible closed-loop tuning with good processing power that can be had in small packaging.
Great video.. the community needed this. Thanks again 👍👌🙏
Thank you for making this video. Been looking at making the switch to an aem or haltech ecu. Thank you for explaining all this and showing their differences.
U guys have the best intro out of all the car guys!!! So well edited!
I have zero clue on the info I just listened to, but I will learn it all
I'm very impressed with the functionality of the haltech standalone.you explained alot of my questions I definitely feel like the 1500 will be in my future!!and the price is excellent!!
You really did a great job on the video...you explained that very well.. nice job my friend..........
Lots of info! Thanks for the upload!
Always great to learn new things
U give a great service into how tuning works
Thanks love the information
Thank for the insight bro. Definitely good to know info. I gotta Hondata but may cross over at one point.
Sold on the Haltech. I need to get on the VE wagon. Thanks for the breakdown, your videos are always informative and helpful, thanks bro!
Free knowledge right here! Wow! Thanks for taking the to make this video!
Great video, thank you for explaining fully.
That's great info and tons of it 🤘🤘. Thank you 🙏
Mind blown love the information great learning
great video, i learned a lot! thanks!
Stellar information. This will help a lot of people.
Haha that intro "i look homeless" made me laugh! keep up the hard work guys...love the videos
Always love the intro
Awesome break down, makes sense
Killer review kennyyy 💪
Pretty damn good video! Thanks alot man 💯
Well explained, you make it clear that the hondata is good but only in a set window that it's tuned for. Haltech will be able to adjust on the fly for air and fuels + it's easy to modify your set up and the car can run once small changes are entered into the ecu.
Great info great vid keep it up guys respect cheers more vid yo
I like it when you talk Nerdy!🍻🐈🔥
Great tutorial! I would use hondata for time attack and everyday driving..If I were to travel would swap use halltech elite 1500. Because,as you mention different air pressures in different states High low terrain. DIFFERENT temps and such.
Great job was explaining
Best explanation ever!!!
Thanks, great info.
Wow!! Great presentation done with average simple language ( no molecular structure of quantum parameters terminology)👍
Great information!!!!
Awsome video!
nice video!!
Kenny don't sell YOURSELF short you don't look homeless your good! They DEF picked the right guy for the videos your KNOWLEDGE is PRICELESS! 👍👍 Hell of a job dude I learned I have a mk5 GTI and b8 apr stage 2 Audi A4 and you guys got my thinking it might be time to jump off the VW and onto the HONDA bandwagon.. So much more info, parts half the price and then when I pull my car to the garage get a bill for a 1000 or 2 or get turned away... Shocked on how many garages I went to and then turned away due to having an Audi and how people are scared to work on them.. Ty guys REALLY
Reason why im going aem v2 in my k series awd integra build. Better tuning, control on the race fuel I'll be running, better traction control, boost by gear for me, and crazy 2 steps lol. Kenny you always look homeless but I still love you mane haha 💜😎 .
Talk more about aem infinity. Also more comparison to what stand alone has that Hondata doesn’t. Such as cam trigger. And more options to data log more sensors and so on. Great job Kenny. Love your videos. Can’t wait to see some racing in 2020. #StayHumble
H2B Boosted going with haltec or kpro inifinity is junk
Infinity is old tech
Thanks Kenny!
Honestly listened to this like a mini podcast lol Loved the info, actually was easy to follow along and explains things pretty well. Just one quick question. So I live in the rockys and just me going from home to work (70 mile drive) is a 1000' change in elevation.. so if I wanted my car to go to and from work with ease, even tho it's a street car, I would be looking towards the haltech right? Or easier put, how much elevation change is too much for the hondata to handle?
If you tune the car correctly, Hondata will work fine. It just takes a bit more skill and finesse. But for us since we don’t regularly see that elevation every day it’s hard to guess where the tune should be for somewhere we’ll see maybe once
No apologies you know your stuff I learned a ton.
Good info!
With a wideband, tuning air/fuel became easy. My main concern is to fine tune ignition timing advance to perfection, since its the only way to increase power in n/a cars
A lot of good info
😂 im old school i started messing with Honda's back in the early 2000s. My best friend from highschool was seriously the first person in my area Orlando Florida to a k swap his civic before there where any swap harnesses or Internet support lol. Anyway i just recently was financially able to start my k swap project like 10 years after he completed his lol.and i was so behind on information that i went with the hondata kpro v4 honestly because of price and the fact i could use a good used or cheap aftermarket engine harness. Long story short i realized after never sending it to a tuner wanted to do everything my self including the fab work for the turbo setup i realized it is very slow compared to the newer stuff and you made alot of good points because my car is definitely not a daily just a weekend ripper no ac no radio lol. Im 40 years old born 84 so the wraith movie and Johnny 5 is what got me into cars at a young age and my uncle dad where v8 Chevy guys back in the 90s 😂😂 who would of thought i would fall in love with import 4 cylinders they would always pick on me back then saying no replacement for displacement 😂 now i can say i have a v8 4-cylinder 😂 2.4l k24 torque reminds me of torque that Hondas didn't have back in the 90s
You don't look homeless bro, looks like you are getting work done. Cudos!
Keep up the good work!
@ True that!
You guys need to make more videos we need more videos...
hello , nice video , but kpro 4 also has closed loop target tables for that work with wideband input at wot , i have it working .
Great info
"Look homeless" Hahahaha, Humble Performance Rock!
I think because I drive from low elevation to high elevation, even with my daily driver, I'm considering the Haltech, it'll be worth more than the car itself but it'll be a great investment to start with something that helps in those cases for roadtrips.
Love my Ktuner for my 06 Rsx type-S. Upload basemaps, mess with 2 step and shoot flames. Got it tuned with it a month ago and made 215hp with bolt-ons. Now ready to install my turbo kit and make more power!
How did that go
Can you guys do a video on suspension setups for street/strip/roll race setups? I currently have Koni yellow with GC and want to upgrade but there’s not much info out there. Thanks
Corner balance, alignment, Power management, clutch control.
Also the info is out there. Not on Facebook, Reddit or Instagram.
How to wire up flex fuel sensor and EBC to the Haltech? I want to run the EBC in a push to close setup-not a bleed-off setup like a manual boost controller-so the solenoid runs to the top of the wastegate to keep the wastegate from cracking until desired boost is reached.
Hard for me to subscribe on a channel but damn you guys are killing it.
If you're really on a budget, but still want a lot of that fancy standalone ECU stuff, you can build a Megasquirt 3 for about $600, just have to be willing to solder and build a jumper harness and plan out your I/O setup. I've run my Hyundai Tiburon rallycross car on MS3 for two years and it's been great. Full VE tuning strategy, full sequential fuel and spark for up to 8 cylinders and a lot of the same trim tables and closed loop control options for half the cost.
Thinking of switching over from hondata to haltech for cam trigger ignition
great comparison.
Thnx a lot bro
So, on the K-Pro, we input a basemap and specify the target AFR, make a run, get the data log, and manually go into the fuel cells and adjust the columns. Whereas the Haltech, you put a AFR target and make a run and Haltech auto adjusts the the injector timings to satisfy your input/desired AFR target. A fast reacting/processing auto compensating ecu.
Yes within reason a haltech can make the adjustments on the fly. You still need to manually tune the fuel table, but different conditions can throw your fuel table out of whack. The Haltech can fix that on the fly whereas a KPro cannot.
For example, a failing fuel pump can be compensated for like what happened to us at WCF
Does the Kpro allow to be tuned by the owner or are the the tunes locked by the tuner. ? What ever I purchase I want to make sure I own it can make changes myself without having to pay to play.
As a Chevy guy, the K Pro is like the HP tuner? And the Haltech Holley Dominator?
Question, so I’m about to be done building a d16 with a Garrett T04e 57 trim turbo, trying to make around 400hp-450hp range. Do you guys think it’ll be a good idea to use an S300 for tuning or should I spend more and get the haltech or some stand alone system? Friend keeps telling me to use the haltech elite 1500 and for good reason bc it has many fail safe features so it’ll be best at keeping me reliable but I really don’t want to add that huge expense to the d series build... any thoughts would be appreciated
Does haltech have the Bluetooth option so i could get rid off my gauge and have the gauge display on my phone like a cobb commander
Whichever one you choose, if you are interested in learning how to tune it yourself, or would like to at least know your way around the software to make changes after having it tuned, I would highly recommend taking the courses at Evans Performance Academy. He has specific courses on Haltech, S300 and Kpro, among many other ECUs.
He's a decent tuner, but his courses are a joke
good video..!
Nice explanation mate shit I'm still running a haltec intercepter from early 2000s lol need to catch up ☝️☝️
Is there a conversion harness for the tsx k24a swap in the ek and cheaper tuning solution or is the standalone the only up to date solution seeing why people go k20 the cheaper tuning and conversion works hassle free?
What does your k20 turbo kit come with if you select the 500hp fueling combo and does it work with k tuned mounts
$900 for a K-pro, it's hard to argue against a standalone at that price point. Only thing I could see keeping me on K-pro would be OBD2/emissions tbh
Ok I'm part way into this video and you've already explained something with traveling and changing Pumps. I changed from a Walbro 255 to a DW300. PSI went from 43 to 60 and Lap Times dropped but when I go from one end of my State to the other (fuel tables I'm on about now) the K Series 2147cc na (revs 5700 to 9100) is down on power, feels lazy and the Exhaust runs Rich. Guess my Table is off. I presently have Hondata. Injectors are modded std as in they have the ends ground off and test at 480cc. What's your best suggestion to fix this problem to make the engine more consistent? Need any more info??? Also there is no Honda Hondata Tuners with a 7 hour drive of me. The original car builder (12 years back is 18 hours drive).
I'm up grading to a Holinger 6 Speed Sequential with Paddle Shifters plus Injectors plus a lot of other stuff but still na K25 with TB's. Will the Hondata still run it or is time to up grade???
So why is it a problem using the haltech for a street car, if i ever go to all the time and effort to build a car i want to know exactly what is happening all the time and be able to have a fuel sensor that changes maps based on which fuel im running, and i want something that can throttle performance if manifold air temps are too high or if im experiencing hot engine oil or any other problems
Yo I don't know where you're located hopefully florida because I'd love to stop by with my project 88 accord.
You guys know you can set up closed loop fueling in boost right?
still in the process of putting my car together b20 turbo. still havent decided on a ecu though i could get a new hondata or i have the opportunity to buy a used AEM 30-1001 SERIES 1 for about 200-300 dollars less what would you recommend?
Wish Haltech had models for newer generation cars. I have a Accord 2019
Great video
Learned alot about the ecu im running in my car(elite 1500) in k swapped rx8
Really good explanation.
The elite is perfect ecu for engine swapping a rx8 if anyone is wondering.
Everything works no lights on dash
You were able to sort out the dash and CANBUS?
@jinxtacy yes the elite has canbus
Its tied into the rx8 hi/low canbus seamlessly
@@audirx8 That's awesome! Did you still have to cut into the firewall and remove the heater core? I love the chassis, but CANBUS and the heatercore were kind of dealbreakers for me. Seems like a super ideal pairing that is easier to live with.
@@audirx8 I realized I watched 7 minutes of your video at some point in the past haha
@jinxtacy i cut firewall yes and made a removable section up top so i can pull valve cover.
Looks very stock like.
Gonna be making a update video on my channel soon.
Drove the car all last summer but just did a built k24 and re did alot of things over this winter.
Complete wire tuck also and moved ecu into cabin without cutting or adding wiring.
Just de pinned and fished everything back through drivers side firewall grommet
What do you think of the ecumaster black?
I bought a 2006 Crv awd. I want to make a sleeper. They don't show a hondata for this model. I dropped it with coil overs.. What is my best option to start with if I want to build this to a beast. I may end up building a new engine, naturally aspirated, to take advantage of the AWD. To get the most hp without rebuying parts?
Will the 550 do VTEC? From what I have seen from haltech you need a 750. Can you confirm?
I went straight to Haltech due to quality and the fact its all new. I am building a turbo K24A2 swapped MR2 hoping to not go broke before its done lol
how about to itb cam'd, k20 06 rsx type s with a/c and take road trips (long distance)
I have an 04 rsx type s that I'm building the k20 and putting a turbo on. Goal 400-430whp. Street car. But I'm so lost on what I need to do with that transmission . I know I'm going with an lsd I just don't know what transmission or if I can make the 6 speed good? I just want a transmission that can handle mild Street activities without always having to pull a broken transmission. Any tips?
if i get a Elite-1000 (for FD). do i need the Elite 1000/1500 Mazda 13B EV1
Terminated Main Harness?
FuelTech vs Haltech?!
I'm a FuelTech guy.
But now that haltech has the new dash Imma probably swap over to the haltech plug and play with the new dash on my 04 SRT-4 drag car.
thanks
I like the haltech
does the tunning with these ecus, is still limited to only windows or can use mac??
Damn man I'm still on neptune
Right there with you. I got 2 cars on it but its still getting the job done until upgrade time.
Neptune was ahead of its time.
Period
some people are still running on Uberdata, nothing wrong with Neptune. The only time you enjoy seeing a check engine light ;)
Me too. Although Neptune holds up, the p28 hardware is falling apart. Already went through 3 ECUs. It's better to get standalone and get free coil on pack upgrade
OEM is very capable. The problem comes with inputs. This applies to most vehicles. Power management is the other main reason to run a stand alone.
The haltech is universal also. So if ever need to sell it other car enthusiast can use it. Vs if you sell a honda ecu I cant use it at all haha
how does one wire a car from scratch with it? i just need the basics. my k swap wont turn on. keeps popping a fuse, fuel pump wont prime and it only cranks. tons of problems.
Its funny we only live a few hours apart and I was just reading that same article on the k20.org page the other day.
How much to upgrade kpro to the latest version? I have gen 1 kpro lol notice v4 is almost instant upload when updating Ecu.
Have you guys ever looked at fueltech? Those things look pretty bad ass on all the track cars and street cars I've seen.
Lol how is that technical love the content
So would you say that ktuner is basically similar to hondata?
AEM Infinity is best bang for buck. Great ECU
Really interesting :-). One thing I'm curious about is what the $$ cost is for tuning time ?? Never had a car tuned but to me it looks like if you change stuff a lot the Haltech will pay for itself pretty quickly. Closed loop and PID are things I work with everyday, but Industrial machine controls.