It's great seeing others help out instead of on their phone and standing around like in the past! Kudos to them! Also... lil Donnie earned his pay for the day! HA! Great video guys!
Four o’clock in the morning early start on an urgent job rebuilding bearing mounts so they can work today we’ve only just got the saddles for the bearings ,someone did an eight hour journey to get them eating breakfast machine the base plate and watching you guys who said men can’t multitask, you guys have a nice day
HI MARK nice oak log sure did make better boards either way logs like that U could some lumber like in a day time all day that's where U make the lumber sawing boards and rail road ties 😊😊 OMG 8 3 2O23
Hi Mark Can’t beat a good steam show we are going to the Shrewsbury steam rally at Onslow park UK at the end of this month there’s always good vintage sawing there my wife and I have being going for years
@@markgalicic7788 It's entirely possible your switch may have burned contacts which causes intermittent connection, find a test switch and use it as a bypass to eliminate the control switch.
@@markgalicic7788 no thanks needed, I used to be the log turner on a old circle mill , your channel brings back so many memories. I have been wonder for some time, if you allowed people to come up and see you mill and the crew working. And one more thing I’ve been putting off buying a cherry boom sign. I sent you an email and got no reply, I understand you are busy. My question is are you zz and Eddie still signing them? Before you ship them??
The more I watch lumber videos, the more I love WOOD. What engine & horsepower are you using, and what rpm does the saw spin ? Damn, that's beautiful oak.
That is a nice looking oak there, that wood make some nice oak flooring well atleast to me it would roll some clear finish on it man it would look good!
Hi Mark. I just saw your August/ Friday Eve/ 2023 video/ Massive scarlet red oak. Pete 319, Lauren, ZZ, & Ed was with you. I thought I saw everything? 🙄🙄🤔🤔😑😑 Well. Have a good Wednesday the 6th. 🥰🙂😉🙄🤔😑👍❤️💜🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🌌
Hi guys; I am sorry that the mill is having problems< But that's what makes it the real thing. Not a video that only show's just the perfect video. You show the real things that happen.
Given the viewing angle and distance from the operator seat to the scale dial, the fact you can consistently nail 1/4" increments is impressive. So, close enough, is good enough for your mill.
I Run a Mobile Dimensional Sawmill . Quarter saws from top down . Makes the Most out of log . No turning the log . Can handle Any Size log . Look them up .
As I said last time, you needed to try your ''repairs'' with a log on the bed to see if it worked! Look how it only struggled when you got a good amount of sawn wood down on the bed and after the oil was warmed up - too much friction for the rams to overcome. You haven't got a flow problem you have a pressure problem IMO. You need to install a pressure gauge on the bushiness end, one with the correct fittings so you can move it to different parts of the system for troubleshooting. I'd start at the main pump.
Hmmm - with some of those hefty sections you were pulling off, Mark, I bet Eddie and ZZ were *very* glad to have some help today! Beautiful runs of timber, though, and well worth the effort.
How does the edger cut a stright line on the edge of the piece of board that is full of knots and uneven edges on the board to be cut into a flat edge !
That mill sure does some fine sawing BUT if you had a bigger blade and COULD cut bigger stuff, you'd be fouled against the blade and riving knife against the parallelogram support and Eddie would quit and go back to pushing barges or finishing concrete, one or the two. Better off being safe where you are. Please tell Buzzworthy he was missed and yall did a fine job. A-PLUS! And yes, the bus motor was liking that a LOT! About the only oil leaks you have are out the air box drains and they're supposed to be there. The old 50's 4-71 at the Scalawag flat belt mill had both drains run into a filter of some kind with a drain. It also had the cold weather start setup on one of the air box covers. Progress. Thanks, Buddy!
I'm sad because we will be in Pennsylvania around the time of the steam show but I think we have to head back to Canada on the 12th. Maybe another time.
@@markgalicic7788 were going to be near Philadelphia Aug 8,9and 10. Our 13 year old special needs daughter loves seasame street and she always wanted to go to seasame place.
I am always curious about the locations of events you mention, such as "we'll be at the sawmill" (not yours). I am in MA. Where the heck is the event please? I go to PA semi- often. This is while you are talking. I see the attached links.
I'd like to but im in Newtown SYDNEY NSW Australia and I do like your editorial work on this topic of lumberyard but can't you make it like wherever you get your woods from okay thank you
Question, do you know about sizing the cant by multiplying the small end diameter of the log by .7? IE: a 20" log produces a 14" cant. ,Obviously there are lots of variables, shape, crooks and whatever but it is a place to start. I am a UA-cam certified after watching You and FricknJeep and others. Just wondering how common this tidbit is?
I was seeing Eddie was using chain saw you provided its okay, but try hand held planer that might be better it does take lot off or little just thought
Mark, I've been watching your channel for a while and keep hearing you talk about getting to the "magic number" while sawing a log. Would you kindly explain what that is? Thanks. Boom!!!
His mill can make a 22" cut. So the magic number is when he has a log larger than 22" dia. and he gets it down to 22" by either making it a stop sign, or taking small cuts to bring it under 22"
Have you considered changing the Hydraulic Fluid to fresh new oil ? I know there were issues when the weather was cold outside and you heated the fluid to resolve that. Maybe you have already done that. Just a thought
I don't know how old the electronic valves are on the carriage, you might want to replace them. You may have power up to them but the solenoids might be worn out. Think of how many times you push that button. 🤔 I would take that main flow control valve off and put separate flow control valves at each accessory then you can control each one separately. Just an idea.
Mark, would it help the operation if you and Eddie had headphone communications so you guys could be safer by having two-way communications? Blessings to all of you guys.
I noticed your sawmill is a Edmiston, Johnny and Bill live in my neighborhood, they have been in the business since I was a kid and I’m 62. Where is your sawmill located?
Dear Mark Galicic. 👍👌👏 Well done again and as always (video and work). 2) Please kindly allow me to ask something: Since the very first video I watched on this channel, I wonder if there is no possibility for having a second log turner on the carriage itself respectively behind it. Not with teeth like Chewy but like one or two common hydraulic cylinders. Just to help to tip over the log sometimes instead of having to turn it so often. Especially with a big log, a contraption like this could be very useful. What do you think about modifying your old sawmill in that kind of way? Less stress for Chewy and especially less stress for the carriage. Thanks in advance for answering. Best regards, luck and especially health to all involved people.
these are called cant kickers but I will loose my tapers if I install them , what Frick mill are you talking about modifying ? and also kickers are very hard on the knees as they take the weight of the log while turning it.
Most buttons I ever saw, has a spring under the button, that can get weak. Thinking out loud. lol. I have also seen before, what I call micro dust, get in and gum up the buttons smooth side surfaces.
Yo, team! You got a girl on the crew now - woohoooo! Nice one. I hope she can stick around for a while. Chicks wearing specs are the hottest chicks, my goodness me yes. Eddie's nice to see, and ZZ has a beard to admire but neither is as nice to look at as a woman. In my opinion, mind. Don't get me wrong, girls without eye-supportive devices can be hot, too, but... well... if a girl needs specs she needs to know she will double her hotness when she puts them on and should be forewarned. I'm not saying Eddie and ZZ aren't hot! I'm a modern fella ... but.... well, you don't spin my wheels, guys. But the ladies... well .... the ladies ...... those nice round soft, bits....... a feller just can't help himself... I mean there would't be young'uns without 'em! Hope you don't mind blather, Mark
'Round here we have "Red Oak" and "White Oak" - you seem to have so many different species or perhaps they are just different names - regardless; thanks for sharing Mark and company, much appreciated. I've seen you mill "Hard Maple" before, around here we have so many different species of "hard maple" and perhaps the hardest is the Sugar Maple - but we always refer to it as Sugar Maple, not hard maple ... the question is; what do you refer to sugar maple as?
Oh boy. I started something. Idont get upset. I get curious. Personaly I allowed 0.5mm tolerance when cutting. Iow half a millimeter. I have no concept of your American meaurements. Hence how close is close enough? Just to be clear I eagerly wait for each and every video and ive watched all the historic archive. Some mors than once or twice
G'day Mark Eddie and ZZ, That young lady Lauren is to nice a girl to be hanging around with that nut job 🙄Don't panic I haven't decided to start making negative comments for the first time ever on you tube, I've been subbed to Knutsey for a few years now👍.
Sometimes when trying to find a problem in a 'system', try to find a point in the middle and see if the problem shows up there. If it does, the problem is up stream. If it doesn't, the problem is downstream. Then find the next middle point. Etcetera. If you can draw a simplified diagram of the system, that will help. You have the system drawn in your mind, but paper may yield results. Doesn't really matter what kind of system it is.
Exactly the same in electrical troubleshooting, and any other kind of problem solving, start in the centre and work outwards. But start at the source/big- picture first, eg, "is the main breaker on"?. Then trace out from the centre. Divide & conquer.
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Go slow day today what going on mate
The presence of the Princess made the workshop more enjoyable! hahahaha...
Health, Peace, Light and Success for all!
thanks.
We watch you every morning with our coffee. Always looking forward to your next video - you are just a great bunch of folks. THANKS!
It's great seeing others help out instead of on their phone and standing around like in the past! Kudos to them! Also... lil Donnie earned his pay for the day! HA! Great video guys!
thanks , I like your comment very true today.
Four o’clock in the morning early start on an urgent job rebuilding bearing mounts so they can work today we’ve only just got the saddles for the bearings ,someone did an eight hour journey to get them eating breakfast machine the base plate and watching you guys who said men can’t multitask, you guys have a nice day
Chewy may be hungry and he just might love that scarlet oak, very nice Boom
thanks Christina.
Good evening from Lincolnshire UK.
good evening Andrew.
Good to see you and your helpers. That was a big one.
thanks Alan.
That was some fancy sawing Mark. Thanks for sharing.
thanks Jerry.
That was a big log.... 👍 Always nice to see Pete hanging around! Best wishes to all of you from the other side of the pond. 😊
thanks Johnny.
Good evening from Clearfield Utah USA
good evening Brad.
Another big oak!!!!! Loved the video!!!! Great job everyone!!!!!!
thanks Mike.
HI MARK nice oak log sure did make better boards either way logs like that U could some lumber like in a day time all day that's where U make the lumber sawing boards and rail road ties 😊😊 OMG 8 3 2O23
yes it was a nice log.
Thank You, nice work.
Love the intro. Love the heart you put into cutting wood
Love from Australia bless you
Another interesting video, Mark. Keep 'em coming, my friend !!
thanks John.
Magical stuff. Thanks for your hard work
your welcome.
Hi Mark
Can’t beat a good steam show we are going to the Shrewsbury steam rally at Onslow park UK at the end of this month there’s always good vintage sawing there my wife and I have being going for years
that sounds like fun.
That was about the limit for that mill, that was a nice log!
thanks , yes it was
Thanks!
thanks Chris!
@@markgalicic7788 It's entirely possible your switch may have burned contacts which causes intermittent connection, find a test switch and use it as a bypass to eliminate the control switch.
@@markgalicic7788 no thanks needed, I used to be the log turner on a old circle mill , your channel brings back so many memories. I have been wonder for some time, if you allowed people to come up and see you mill and the crew working. And one more thing I’ve been putting off buying a cherry boom sign. I sent you an email and got no reply, I understand you are busy. My question is are you zz and Eddie still signing them? Before you ship them??
@@christatman2547 yes we do have people stop by and watch us saw , and we do sign our boom signs.
Came over from the channel with Manuel Chewy. Good sawing Mr.
It was an ugly log but y'all managed to get some good boards out of it. Yield and quality matters. Enjoyed it guys. Have a wonderful weekend coming up
thanks Gary.
@maruiacancerc your response is totally out of line and you will be reported
Stop sign material !
Looks great Marc! Take care and stay safe! Hello to Pete, ZZ, and Eddie! Can’t remember the lairs name, but hello to her as well! God bless!✝️🙏🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
thank you.
The more I watch lumber videos, the more I love WOOD. What engine & horsepower are you using, and what rpm does the saw spin ? Damn, that's beautiful oak.
Detroit diesel aka bus motor. I'd assume 2500 rpm give or take
Another big ass log cut down to size! Beautiful ... XO
thanks, nice job as always
thanks John.
That is a nice looking oak there, that wood make some nice oak flooring well atleast to me it would roll some clear finish on it man it would look good!
yes it would.
Where are you guys located? And doesn't this lumber have to be graded by someone, in order to be used in construction? Love watching your videos.
Just wondering... Do you control the speed of the log through the blade, or does the mill adjust the speed as needed?
I control it .
Great job fellas!
Great video. Thanks!
thanks !
Hi Mark. I just saw your August/ Friday Eve/ 2023 video/ Massive scarlet red oak. Pete 319, Lauren, ZZ, & Ed was with you. I thought I saw everything? 🙄🙄🤔🤔😑😑 Well. Have a good Wednesday the 6th. 🥰🙂😉🙄🤔😑👍❤️💜🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🌌
Ole Pete showed up at the right time, flex his muscles a little bit 💪😅,nice log mark.lauren even handled some of them boards
yes he did and Lauren was a big help too.
another relaxing 1/2 hour
glad you liked it.
Hi guys; I am sorry that the mill is having problems< But that's what makes it the real thing. Not a video that only show's just the perfect video. You show the real things that happen.
I did get it fixed watch this video,ua-cam.com/video/wPzow_BcXZo/v-deo.html
Given the viewing angle and distance from the operator seat to the scale dial, the fact you can consistently nail 1/4" increments is impressive. So, close enough, is good enough for your mill.
close enough to me is a 1/32" not 1/4"
I Run a Mobile Dimensional Sawmill . Quarter saws from top down . Makes the Most out of log . No turning the log . Can handle Any Size log . Look them up .
Chewie is my hero!
Is it for those large wooden mats loggers put down when the road is super muddy?
As I said last time, you needed to try your ''repairs'' with a log on the bed to see if it worked! Look how it only struggled when you got a good amount of sawn wood down on the bed and after the oil was warmed up - too much friction for the rams to overcome. You haven't got a flow problem you have a pressure problem IMO. You need to install a pressure gauge on the bushiness end, one with the correct fittings so you can move it to different parts of the system for troubleshooting. I'd start at the main pump.
this was filmed before the problem was fixed all's good now watch this video, ua-cam.com/video/wPzow_BcXZo/v-deo.html
@@markgalicic7788 OK, thanks.
Close enough 😊
yes for today.
Hmmm - with some of those hefty sections you were pulling off, Mark, I bet Eddie and ZZ were *very* glad to have some help today! Beautiful runs of timber, though, and well worth the effort.
thank you Jack.
Happy Friday, on Thursday 😊
Friday eve is Thursday.
@@markgalicic7788 amazing! I’ll never look a Thursday the same again. But I digress. Your videos are enjoyably to watch any day they come out. 👍🏻
My uncle used to us a saying, " Close enough for the girls I go with "
I like it!
We used the same type of micro switches as your set works where I worked and they will malfunction on an intermittent basis .
they are Honeywell switches very reliable .
Sounds like an intermittent lack of contact in the button. can you swap it with a less used button to see if that fixes the problem?
no it was a oil flow problem watch this video , ua-cam.com/video/wPzow_BcXZo/v-deo.html
How does the edger cut a stright line on the edge of the piece of board that is full of knots and uneven edges on the board to be cut into a flat edge !
Does the button go directly to the solenoid or is there a relay in the circuit? I have dealt with relay’s acting like the problem you are having.
You can see the rams trying and the hoses twitch - it's not an electrical issue.
@@julianstafford7071 thank you Julian.
Well done.
thanks Richard.
Man that bark inclusion and the grain swirl would make some good bowl blanks
yes for sure.
Can we see how the rest of the mill works?
That mill sure does some fine sawing BUT if you had a bigger blade and COULD cut bigger stuff, you'd be fouled against the blade and riving knife against the parallelogram support and Eddie would quit and go back to pushing barges or finishing concrete, one or the two. Better off being safe where you are. Please tell Buzzworthy he was missed and yall did a fine job. A-PLUS! And yes, the bus motor was liking that a LOT! About the only oil leaks you have are out the air box drains and they're supposed to be there. The old 50's 4-71 at the Scalawag flat belt mill had both drains run into a filter of some kind with a drain. It also had the cold weather start setup on one of the air box covers. Progress. Thanks, Buddy!
great comment Lewie lol!
@@markgalicic7788 You know how I get!
It's interesting what you need to do to maximize yield.
yes when sawing thick lumber not much room for error.
Great content and entertaining!! Just wondering if you have a kiln and do you take special orders?
Boom!
How much did the customer pay for that large and beautiful log?
Great day fellas, hope all is
thank you.
have you tried spraying the switch with contact cleaner ?
not a contact problem watch this video , ua-cam.com/video/wPzow_BcXZo/v-deo.html
Hi . More big big logs please.
yes sir.
Lauren needs her own sawmill channel lol.
I'm sad because we will be in Pennsylvania around the time of the steam show but I think we have to head back to Canada on the 12th. Maybe another time.
when are you here?
@@markgalicic7788 were going to be near Philadelphia Aug 8,9and 10. Our 13 year old special needs daughter loves seasame street and she always wanted to go to seasame place.
I am always curious about the locations of events you mention, such as "we'll be at the sawmill" (not yours). I am in MA. Where the heck is the event please? I go to PA semi- often. This is while you are talking. I see the attached links.
I know you fixed it, Mark, but I could still feel your frustration in this video.
Bill
this was the last log I sawed before I fixed the problem and yes it is very frustrating to saw this way.
I'd like to but im in Newtown SYDNEY NSW Australia and I do like your editorial work on this topic of lumberyard but can't you make it like wherever you get your woods from okay thank you
Something that big John would have the railroad jack to help
yes for sure lol.
Question, do you know about sizing the cant by multiplying the small end diameter of the log by .7? IE: a 20" log produces a 14" cant. ,Obviously there are lots of variables, shape, crooks and whatever but it is a place to start. I am a UA-cam certified after watching You and FricknJeep and others. Just wondering how common this tidbit is?
I edge the flitches that are 3-1/2" before it gets down to 11-1/4" to split into two boards.
I was seeing Eddie was using chain saw you provided its okay, but try hand held planer that might be better it does take lot off or little just thought
"Close enough for cabinetwork."
mmmmmm the ole bus motor sure is humming and sound good
it got a work out today.
Mark, I've been watching your channel for a while and keep hearing you talk about getting to the "magic number" while sawing a log. Would you kindly explain what that is? Thanks. Boom!!!
His mill can make a 22" cut. So the magic number is when he has a log larger than 22" dia. and he gets it down to 22" by either making it a stop sign, or taking small cuts to bring it under 22"
@@kevinhenry7273 thanks Kevin.
Answered my question of how big the saw blade is 😅
Thanks!!!
Sort of a drag seeing such a beautiful log being chopped up into blocking.
yes but it wasn't northern red oak.
Good video Bus Motor Productions
thanks James.
Maybe getting some bypass after the oil gets thinner heating up
watch this video , ua-cam.com/video/wPzow_BcXZo/v-deo.html
BOOM!
Mark, is Pete located near you?
yes he is.
Have you considered changing the Hydraulic Fluid to fresh new oil ? I know there were issues when the weather was cold outside and you heated the fluid to resolve that. Maybe you have already done that. Just a thought
yes I have but it takes 100 gallons lots of money.
I don't know how old the electronic valves are on the carriage, you might want to replace them. You may have power up to them but the solenoids might be worn out. Think of how many times you push that button. 🤔 I would take that main flow control valve off and put separate flow control valves at each accessory then you can control each one separately. Just an idea.
watch this video, ua-cam.com/video/wPzow_BcXZo/v-deo.html
Mark, would it help the operation if you and Eddie had headphone communications so you guys could be safer by having two-way communications? Blessings to all of you guys.
thanks Bill , no just too loud.
I'm thinking a shock collar would work. What does Eddie think?
I like watching logs turned into man glitter and board feet
glad you like it.
I noticed your sawmill is a Edmiston, Johnny and Bill live in my neighborhood, they have been in the business since I was a kid and I’m 62. Where is your sawmill located?
tell them I said Hi , we are in western PA
I know you got to saw what’s ordered it’s a business but dang that wide open red face would have made a heck of a bar top or table etc
yes true but it wasn't a northern red.
Does that chainsaw need sharpening?
Oak, it's hard on everything.
Dear Mark Galicic.
👍👌👏 Well done again and as always (video and work). 2) Please kindly allow me to ask something: Since the very first video I watched on this channel, I wonder if there is no possibility for having a second log turner on the carriage itself respectively behind it. Not with teeth like Chewy but like one or two common hydraulic cylinders. Just to help to tip over the log sometimes instead of having to turn it so often. Especially with a big log, a contraption like this could be very useful. What do you think about modifying your old sawmill in that kind of way? Less stress for Chewy and especially less stress for the carriage. Thanks in advance for answering.
Best regards, luck and especially health to all involved people.
these are called cant kickers but I will loose my tapers if I install them , what Frick mill are you talking about modifying ? and also kickers are very hard on the knees as they take the weight of the log while turning it.
Is that a scar I see on the right side of your head, Mark?
Big & Ugly into useable 👍👍😎😎
I like it!
Ugly oak, no way!! That's a beautiful hunk of lumber!!
yes for sure.
I was hoping the cleaning of the hydraulics would fix it 😮😊😊😊 almost sound like a broken or loose wire 🤔 😕 😐 😫 😊
it did help , this was filmed before I found the problem.
@@markgalicic7788 oh okay 👌 that's awesome 😊😊
The button switches contacts are probably worn-out 😊
no sir Larry watch this video , ua-cam.com/video/wPzow_BcXZo/v-deo.html
Most buttons I ever saw, has a spring under the button, that can get weak. Thinking out loud. lol. I have also seen before, what I call micro dust, get in and gum up the buttons smooth side surfaces.
Me thinks you might be right. Something in the switch is not functioning quite right.
please watch this video first , ua-cam.com/video/wPzow_BcXZo/v-deo.html
Yo, team! You got a girl on the crew now - woohoooo! Nice one. I hope she can stick around for a while. Chicks wearing specs are the hottest chicks, my goodness me yes. Eddie's nice to see, and ZZ has a beard to admire but neither is as nice to look at as a woman. In my opinion, mind. Don't get me wrong, girls without eye-supportive devices can be hot, too, but... well... if a girl needs specs she needs to know she will double her hotness when she puts them on and should be forewarned. I'm not saying Eddie and ZZ aren't hot! I'm a modern fella ... but.... well, you don't spin my wheels, guys. But the ladies... well .... the ladies ...... those nice round soft, bits....... a feller just can't help himself... I mean there would't be young'uns without 'em! Hope you don't mind blather, Mark
😀
thanks!
Bet I know what’s wrong with the set works, the pressure regulator lever needs to go from 4 to 6 😂, might need a ripping chain on little Donny.
you got it lol.
'Round here we have "Red Oak" and "White Oak" - you seem to have so many different species or perhaps they are just different names - regardless; thanks for sharing Mark and company, much appreciated. I've seen you mill "Hard Maple" before, around here we have so many different species of "hard maple" and perhaps the hardest is the Sugar Maple - but we always refer to it as Sugar Maple, not hard maple ... the question is; what do you refer to sugar maple as?
we call it sugar maple.
@@markgalicic7788 Thanks for the reply Mark, much appreciated - we do the same, although it's still a "hard maple" it always gets its own name.
Oh boy. I started something. Idont get upset. I get curious. Personaly I allowed 0.5mm tolerance when cutting. Iow half a millimeter. I have no concept of your American meaurements. Hence how close is close enough? Just to be clear I eagerly wait for each and every video and ive watched all the historic archive. Some mors than once or twice
1/32" may be the same.
When you at that show shoot a little video of the sawmill
I sure will Robert.
You might have air in the system!
no watch this ua-cam.com/video/wPzow_BcXZo/v-deo.html
more 3.5 x 5.5? That must be a BIG order- Tyler
for sure.
a little warm? 29 degrees C here today
G'day Mark Eddie and ZZ, That young lady Lauren is to nice a girl to be hanging around with that nut job 🙄Don't panic I haven't decided to start making negative comments for the first time ever on you tube, I've been subbed to Knutsey for a few years now👍.
Sometimes when trying to find a problem in a 'system', try to find a point in the middle and see if the problem shows up there. If it does, the problem is up stream. If it doesn't, the problem is downstream. Then find the next middle point. Etcetera. If you can draw a simplified diagram of the system, that will help. You have the system drawn in your mind, but paper may yield results. Doesn't really matter what kind of system it is.
yes very true.
Exactly the same in electrical troubleshooting, and any other kind of problem solving, start in the centre and work outwards. But start at the source/big- picture first, eg, "is the main breaker on"?. Then trace out from the centre. Divide & conquer.
I bet the dogs were barking at the moon on this one.
that's a good one lol!