Sig P365 Review - How to make it fail
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- We reached a gentleman's agreement with Harry's Holsters. See his video here: • Sig P365 - 1,000 Round... Feel free to comment with questions below. Happy Range Day! We hope you enjoy this production by our friends at DirtyBirdTactical. Check out their Channel here: / @dbt7962
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I picked up my 365 this weekend, took it to the range and shot 225 rounds. I had multiple RTB Failures. I came home watched this video and went back today. Changed my grip and 200 rounds later I didn't have failures. There you go..... Thanks guys.
Eh, if the 365 can fail to go in to battery because the user holds the slide with his thumbs, it’s not a Sig issue, it’s an amateur user issue.
Well I have a P365 NRA edition with over 2,000 rounds through it and still no malfunctions. Great review and thanks for being honest and not biased.
*So you guys have TWO rental P365s from the first Sig production run- one with over 12,000 rounds and the other with over 4,200 rounds- and both have run great all along. And now you've fired Harry's P365 for 600 flawless rounds.*
jcllings ..what is the production date on yours?
harry needs you to shoot his p365xl for him
This video should have 3 to 4 times as many views, but because they didn't put a letter "P" in front of the 365 in the title, many people never saw it in a search for this pistol, and that's a shame because this video is very informative!
Great review/test and I especially love the cross-examination of the Harry's Holsters P365 that initially sparked SO much doubt with this little gun. I have to say I have seen a myriad of guns fail (mostly minor, few catastrophic) and they were from VARIOUS manufacturers. I have had to jump through the hoops of waranty work and even replacement! No brand is 100% flawless, especially if they are trying to innovate and revolutionize. I absolutely believe the P365 had (and may still have) teething pains. I also absolutely believe Sig RnD works those out and fixes or replaces every pistol they receive back. The real kicker is most guys commenting on YT or in the forums don't even own one. You'll see it in these comments even; dudes saying, "I'll never buy one". And yet here they are, watching the video and commenting as if they have first hand experience. They simply parrot the single experience of their favorite YT channel. It's laughable. - ACTUAL P365 owner
@@Pler1978 If they're too small, then why own 3?
I researched, walked in the store to buy a glock 43. After reviewing the sig p365 I went back researched some more and bought the sig. Front sight didn't illuminate for me so it's at Sig getting replaced right now. Got my ammo ready and waiting when it gets back.
Update I have 500 rounds down range now like it more ever time I shoot it!
Thanks for taking the time to do more testing on it and giving honest impressions. It’s definitely on my 2018 list.
First, Hunter Elliott, from Rangehot. Then, Bald and Curious. Now, you guys. FINALLY, there are credible people out here, that cannot be accused of being shills; speaking positively about this gun. Thank you! Harry's Holsters, Poe Performance and Military Arms Channel, did massive damage to this gun's reputation; even though I know that was not their intention. I think a lot of people were out for blood, after the drop safety issues with the P320 line.
Very nice. I anticipated this outcome. If nothing else it's a good lesson for those of us who are waiting for our pre-orders as to how to properly grip the gun once we get it. Thanks for doing the testing.
What a great, informative and convincing video guys... thank you! You've just given me, and thousands of others who've pre-ordered this pistol some real peace of mind. I was a little worried back when Harry's Holster posted his video and a couple of others posted about problems RTB. Now that I know Sig has tweaked the gun and you've proven that Harry's problems were of his own making I have no worries about my copy running right when I receive it. Great job!
Jim Mason think again. Mine was made in June 2018 and had constant FTB problems.
I waited until a week ago to buy a P365 because I wanted one with the manual safety on it. I am glad I waited, not only to get the manual safety I wanted, but to give Sig time to get any bugs out of this gun. Mine is a delight to shoot and has been flawless. Glad I waited.
My Glock19 gen3 had multiple failures to go into battery and trigger didn't reset too out of the box. After 250 rounds til this day (knock on wood) it never failed.
Aloha State glocks get a pass way too often. If there's an issue with the glock it's always "user error". glocks are not "perfection", despite what their fanboys claim.
Thanks guys! New sub! I was really disappointed in Sig after my P320 but I got a 365 made Feb 2019 and I love it!!!
Hey I just got my p365 I pre-ordered from you guys 5 months ago...nice to see a vid of you. Thanks for the gun, can't wait to try it out tomorrow.
You guys make it look like there's zero recoil when you're really shooting fast. WOWSER!!!
I bought my P365 about a month ago. It's the Gen ll, I have put 1,500 rounds of +P ammo through it with 500 rounds of cheap Wall Mart ammo as well. In two thousand rounds not one problem. The P365 is my new EDC. Replacing my XD 40.
Just got mine, put the first 200 rds through it today. Flawless.
Another flawless P365!
I got a lot of whipping because I knew it was shooter error and always said so. So here's my report my 365-9-BXR3 I received March 3rd. Only had a chance to fired 600 rounds thru it, but I've never had any issues experienced by a few others. I was using Sellier & Bellot 115 gr. FMJ's. I love this little pistol!
C Kim,
Because it shot 600 rounds of S&B without stoppage- it will probably shoot anything you put in it- including green peas, LOL! Sounds like you got another great P365.
bikeracerdude Heck Yeah! It will even shoot Winchester White Box! Lol
Reeeeeaalllyyy?! :-) (Believe it or not, many reloaders consider WWB pistol brass to be a micron-ish thicker and more durable than fed, rem, and most other pistol brass).
bikeracerdude I use to re-load. I not bending over to pick up my brass anymore. I buy ammo by the case. All that work picking it up,taking it home, tumbling, buying primer, powder and bullets. Primers were hard to find for awhile there during the ammo shortage. And then hours of ka-chunk, ka-chunk through a progressive loader. Nope! Buy and let it Lie.
C Kim,
I know exactly what you mean- I just buy new factory ammo now and let others have the brass... Chasing primers, powder, and bullets was such a PITA during those obama years. The only down side to having sold off my reloading equipment is the unlikely possibility that "factory ammo will be unavailable while reloading supplies ARE readily available"- and as we just experienced under obama a couple years back- reloading supplies were NOT readily available, either!
This is how u make loyal customers to ur store. Great store, great ppl, great gunsmithing! Great job guys
I love my P365. Very well-designed and very accurate considering the size.
*I was right, Harry's P365 was fine, their thumbs were just movin the slide lock!*
I had this issue on several guns, simply just big hands issue. Also if you have fat hands this will happen. You know because it will press the pudgy part of your hand into the slide release. They must really be trying to get as much press as possible while its a hot subject. They have said nothing others including harry's has not stated about the changes. Do we really need a recap? Oh yes we are fully aware of the extended mags plus much better reviews who actually measured the difference. I am amazed how they have to point out on a small gun that you could ride the slide with your thumb. Definitely down voting this regurgitated content.
I can't wait to find a p365 in stock so I can see it before I buy it.
The p365 is best in its size category
I bought mine in early July and it had a born-on date of June 13th. It was the most recent model with the manual thumb safety. I had multiple FTEjects and FTRTB malfunctions along with three light strikes. I had to send it back to Sig twice. They ended up replacing the entire top half of the gun. I've run over 1000 perfect rounds through it since getting it back the second time. It wasn't my grip. There was something wrong with my P365. I will say Sig has EXCELLENT and very fast customer service. Each time, I was only out my gun for a week.
Guys this video is why I went ahead and bought the gun instead of waiting longer to how long it would take to fix any issues. I purchased the newer one and it has 500 rounds with zero issues that I didnt cause.
Sig made a lot of changes because people were causing malfunctions. Learning to shoot the gun before reviewing it goes a long way I think. Good Video.
Were all the broken tips of the firing pins and bad trigger springs causing dead triggers caused by user error too? ...
You do know this video was made in reply to the initial issues from the first (gen1) issue? When it was only malfunctions? Before the "Gen 2" release issues. You did know that right? Right?
Wingman8113 you do know that even after the “fixes”, users are still having malfunctions, right? I’ve carried a PM9 for years but my p365 is a totally unreliable POS.
I love my Sig 365. I sent mine back to have the upgraded sights put on it. The worst part of this is waiting on the gun to be returned. This was a great video. Nice job!
Jim,
Aside from the sights on your early production p365- any cycling/firing issues?
bikeracerdude. I put the gun in my center console and the slide was pushed back just a little and it did not go back into battery. Later that day i intentionally pushed it back a about a quarter of an inch or so and it did not go back into battery. When I sent my gun in for the upgraded sights I told Sig about the failure to go into battery and they are going see what might cause this. I have owned a lot of guns an never had a problem like this before. That said, I would not hesitate to carry that gun. When shooting it I have never had an issue with it and it is extremely accurate.
So how about trying Mac's 2 failed 365's from the Military Arms Channel? I know he wasn't limp wristing it!
I just bought mine two days ago, the first thing I did, is put all three mags through it as fast as I could shoot, to make sure it worked, did not lube, nothing, and then shot another 150rds without doing anything to the gun, NIT ONE ISSUE, and I mean not one little tiny issue!!! This thing is absolutely a little monster, I don’t even carry my glock 23 since I got this thing, I’m love it’s size and how smooth it shoots, you can’t go wrong, now that said, I haven’t tried the limp wrist thing, lol 😂 that was funny,
First time I have watched your channel great video definitely worth subscribing.
Great review! Thank you, guys!
Check out Military Arms Channels latest review of the P365 where he really likes the pistol, that is until his trigger spring broke. I'm sure the average owner is not going to put 1/2K rounds they their pistol in a year but the trigger going dead is still very troubling. I ordered my P365 thru an LE program and will have it in a couple days, something I'm looking forward to.
Which LE program?
From an LE distributor.
>> Sirs
Waiting til payday and I'm ordering one off your website.
The holster co. guy was thumbing the slide!
Blazer brass is CCI so it's good higher end ammo. Better than Winchester and Federal etc.
Great shooting review, very real and convincing.
The 365 is available all over here in Virginia! Gonna be my next buy
Great video
Harry’s had a broken striker I’ve also heard of catastrophic failures. Until it’s cleared up I refuse to purchase one.
Really nice shooting. I'm going to refer people who say this gun is snappy to this video.
The Triggerati
I don't find mine all that snappy or difficult to control, but I'm an experienced shooter.
Thanks guys.
Legend has it the guns still hot
500 rounds through my P365. Thanks for the video. I was going to wait until I saw this one. People will have to learn to shoot a gun this size. Its not for everyone.
Shoot Well And Often. SWAO! Horseshit. I’ve carried and shot even smaller pistols for decades and my p365 was a POS with constant failures.
J. Rob. Sorry for your troubles. Mine is a workhorse
J. Rob. Post a video of you cobstant failure...
Mine is shooting great!
Let me see if I have this right. You say that if anyone is having issues with the new sig gun they should just learn how to shoot a gun. Sig is making changes to the gun to satisfy the gun buyers that don't know how to shoot a gun. The failure to go into battery and the problems with the barrel are not real issues. Are we a just little bit arrogant? 😂
ely336 Yeah I heard that and cringed. No self awareness to hear/care about the "big me, little you shit..." Oh well. Good video just the same. ☮️
Hey...It's his movie, like John Wayne was always the Hero and Clint Eastwood was always the "Baddest MF'er on the planet , so be it. If I seek knowledge with an unbiased opinion I watch YT's "Hickok45" or "Sootch00" in color for all the latest and greatest ( and not-so-great) that include the pluses & minuses of each. I watch these video's for entertainment purposes only. I've been shooting firearms all my like from BB guns to 3.0"/50 gun mounts and I still goof-up on rare occasion, does that mean I can't shoot, of course not, I think some folks on this thread maybe took his character reference to Harry's large thumbs to DEFCON-1 when it should be around 5, relax folk's the World's not going to end unless.......... Lil' Kim (Rocket-Man) pisses off the(Boss) Mr. T, Ha,ha,ha !!!
Yes, he’s being an arrogant ass
Lol look at Harry’s video even in the comments section people reference the trigger jerk haha. These guys can shoot just watch the vid. Confidence is not a bad thing.
ely336 The truth sometimes stings. If its shooter error then its shooter error. Get those fingers down off the slide and off the slide catch. Learn how to shoot the gun and stop blaming it. That ain't being arrogant its called being truthful. We make mistakes. Buck up. Some folks just can't admit that they make mistakes like everybody else. That is arrogant. If their grip is wrong and they are not willing to change it then they are going to have more problems than just one gun. I can't stand seeing shooters with their thumbs up around the slide. Malfunction just waiting to happen so they can blame the gun.
Why are people down on WWB? I've never had a problem with it through 1000 rounds at least.
Yeah second that
says something that you could shoot the gun that much with only two fingers.
I am sure there are others, but this is the first time I have heard of it.
loads gun and proceeds to point towards friends leg lol
I already own a p365 and love it so far, just seeing if I'm going to have buyer's remorse. Good vid. Curious as to what you attribute Harry's gun failing to fire even after being forced back into battery vs your rental gun that was gtg after motivating the slide forward? I see you still squeezed the trigger on your rental.
Great job. 👍🏼
Good stuff
Great Video
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Well the guy shooting was a left handed shooter and I think the issues was for right handed people that ride the slide high. However that wasn't the only issue with the guns. That's why sig stopped producing those and fix the issues with the guns
What is it with the guys who run out and buy extended mags for pistols that are designed with a short grips so it is more concealable. I would understand if the extended mag was for a backup mag but other than that it is silly. I have personally never shot one of these yet but when several experianced shooters have similar problems, it is not the fault of the shooter. It is a silly to say that they are shooting it wrong. When someone has to use one in a life or death situation they should not have to think about the pistol failing cycle because they squeezed it to hard, if they do the pistol is shit, Not the shooter.
10:15 Let's flag the cameraman with a hot weapon! You guys are fucking muppets. Safety is paramount all the time.
For anyone that cares, I have a P365 born on 11 May 2018 that has 1200 rounds so far with nary an issue. No cosmetic wear, no malfunctions. Good pistol.
Good video guys ...looking forward to Harry's video on your gun.
I’m sorry but I’m still not convinced. I had some very real issues with a P320 . Got rid of it after going back to Sig 3 times. I’m am not willing to go through that again with a p365.
It is a game changer,it changed my game,now I buy ones that work. At this point I’d rather carry a Bond Arms Derringer, built right the first time in Texas.
Harry doesn't like sig. Great review, pow,pow!
Wondering if the Freedom Munitions were factory reloads.Wouldn't think it would be recommended by Sig.
Mine failed to return to battery at a rate of 5.2%
Had to be sent in. Cycles now that it has a new spring in it, but experiencing primer drag.
Never had a gun fail to cycle because of a thumb touching the slide. It’s a lame excuse for a crap gun. Buying a Glock. P-365 “Glock Seller”
So basically no mention of all the broken tips on the firing pins due to extreme smearing/ dragging of the primers? What about the weak trigger springs that caused dead triggers?
Were those just user error problems too?
I mean, we could talk about how SIG halted their production for some time to address the firing pin issue.
These comments are like the back and forth on Hi Point pistols.
Some people swear by them, others think they're overpriced rocks.
Everyone sugar coats issues on this pistol. Keep trying over and over again till maybe this pistol will pass examinations all because it's made by SIG. If Remington or Taurus or Ruger would have made this pistol it would have been thrown in the garbage, it holds 10 rds instead of 7. Three extra rds for 300 more than comparable size pistols.
904 Outdoors
Was this after he (Harry) returned it for the striker breaking? I see MAC keeps buying these hoping one will work he has had two die on camera I think both were strikers. What would be a good fix for that of you were considering this gun?
Sooooo, The gun shoots fine with a legitimate hold, but when I went to the bag to try some shot grouping, the battery issue was extreme. Sure I was holding softer on the bag, trying to get the most out of the trigger squeeze. Point being, I can shoot my 226 and 938 on the bag with no problems, But the same whitebox 115 in this 365 needs special attention? Sure would hate to depend on this gun one handed in an emergency.
grate video,
I also had few RTB failure regardless of my grip on a brand new SIG 365X (~100 round)
what type of lube do you recommend using?
Have you seen any issues with the firing pin drag that Military Arms Channel covered?
I haven't. Mine is great an so are a couple of friends'.
Why do people hate Sigs? I don't hate any brand. They've all have problems, it's normal when machines are designed. My P225 A Classic is my best shooter. My P365 is doing great after some trips to the range. If any problem, I'll send it to Sig. Just like so many others. My brother had to send his PPk/S to S & W. Nothing wrong with that. Not a nice process, nothing is perfect.
Great video. Except one thing. Mike - friends don’t let friends wear tapout shirts.
Are you trying to tell me Big Johnson was limp writing as well? He never even got a shot off. These guns are garbage, which disappointed me greatly since I wanted one. A friend of mine just traded his off after about 120 rds. The mags had scratches start to appear from an issue that's being reported and the primer drag was getting worse and worse. I still have some hope for the gun but it's not looking good at this point.
I really wanted to buy one of these when they first came out, seems like a great gun for the money. BUT im still put off by some of the reviews. It pretty much complete opposite ends of the spectrum. Either the gun works perfect (like these guys and a few others) or it completely breaks (like MAC and a few others). Im still on the fence with this gun...
You have to evaluate the source. This video includes a representative of the company that has a lot of money invested in R&D and marketing this pistol. The guy on MAC has only his reputation at stake. He did not receive a free gun nor does he have any connection to the company. He gains or loses nothing if the gun succeeds or if it fails. I always give more credence to the report with less bias.
I assure you the FTB issues are real. Mine had constant problems, right handed, left handed, both handed, and thumbs tucked purposefully. Thumbs not anywhere near the slide. I’ve been shooting longer than you’ve been alive and I know a failure when I experience it.
Got one of the latest "versions" on May 22nd, just had to send it back to Sig, June 12th with a broken striker. Less than 300 rounds!
Failure to lock back on an empty slide imo IS a malfunction.
Quit sweeping your friend wtf aren’t u supposed to know what ur doing
Have you guys gotten any in to fill your pre orders yet?
It's weird he is not the only one who had a problem tho.... and sig did not stop production because they wanted to get off work!!🤣🤣 did you read the article in rifle man magazine he said the first one he got he had nothan but issues also!! So there is/was a serious problem with some of them...
Just load it? First time I shot it this morning. 20 rounds later I had two class 3 malfunctions and the second on jammed in the chamber. Had to soak the barrel in oil and then tap it (Hard) with a cleaning rod to get it out.
Sent mine back to Sig a week ago! It wouldn't load any rounds properly! I tried 3 different mags, changed how many rounds in mags, and different ammo! Would not feed properly whatsoever!
The nervous act of repeatedly racking the slide lost me
Please tell us if you are seeing "Primer Drag" with either of these P365's??? It is my belief that the Newer P365 XL has little or ZERO Primer Drag and it is a superior Pistol! Please do a comparison of the Regular P365 vs P365 XL...... THANKS 👍👏
hmm. nice firearm, thinking about it....ah, just because. But still wondering why people would consider this over the Shield especially for roughly 150 bucks more money despite the couple xtra rounds, unless you have the money and love Sig or hate SW etc. Love my shield, love the PC shield.
Best ammo to use with the p365?
Lol. It looks like you are on a green screen.
Video after video after video of people defending Sig and still…….Sig absolutely sucks. ESPECIALLY their “customer service” and supposed “gunsmiths” that fix and “test fire” your gun to “ensure it’s fixed” Go ahead and cry. You’ll be alright.
I pre-ordered at Frogbones. What's the estimated waiting time for pre-orders?
>> Ex J
My confirmation # says I'm order # 1000th++. I guess that means there's a very long line in the wait list. I called FrogBones and they told me it will take a few months but no ETA.
Dave Mustaine oh wow.. that's way too long. I may have to rethink this over and just get myself something else.
Bama Sux I pre-ordered sometime in early February.
I hope it doesn't take too long. I've been checking with my local store too. Im buying whichever comes first.
Nice vid. How do i know when i buy one that it has the upgrades? Basically if its new and has x ray sights its been upgraded ?
>> taylorh5287
The upgrades did not address the RTB issues or trigger spring issues
So what have we learned here? Micro Compact guns can have issues when riding the slide and don't hold the gun like a bitch. People should know not to ride the slide.
Woof... camera man in front of the shooter while firing...
ohtehlolz The problem is not being in front of shooter, but being in front and in line with the muzzle. Thanks Safety Sally!
@Frogbones Family Shooting Center - Also the video in Harry's Holsters P365 wasn't causing a big of an uproar as you think. First off, that video only has about 63K views. Meanwhile MAC's video showing his P365 failing after only 800 rounds has over 300K views, and his 2nd video over another P365 showing significant primer drag like his first P365 has over 200K views. The reason many are complaining about the P365 is because many customers are having major failures, and it's not due to user error because the primary failures are dead triggers, not holding the thumbs too high to cause FTB. No matter how you grip the P365 it will have dead triggers, that's not user error, that's Sig Sauer error.
I still don't understand. What physically could be going on in the gun to make it fail when you 'limp-wristed' it?
>> aucourant
When a shooter's wrist is not held firm/straight enough, the frame of the firearm travels rearward while the slide of the pistol cycles. In other words, the frame and the slide move backward together. This often results in a failure to complete the operating cycle and the gun will "jam".
But a sign of future failure is primer drag. Did you check the primers of your expelled brass to see if the drag was excessive?
That's weird I've put 10k rounds in my 43 and shield without issue but the spring broke in my p365 400 rounds in. Guess I don't know what I'm doing. I've only been shooting 10 years. There's a reason these clowns have no subscribers.
If there’s any confusion it’s because you introduced another gun into the ring ! Kinda like a shell game we don’t know which gun is which while you guys are shooting! I would not have brought another gun into the mess!
For a gun shop you guys had piss poor range safety. Camera man slightly downrange on his own, then you walk back so he's fully in front of you?
Even if there is good info here I have to cringe at the carelessness of the gun handling.
Thanks for the effort, but I am still left unconvinced. I need more time and data before I start relying on this gun for ccw. I really hope it is fixed though. The gun has a lot of potential. Though the heat being so high at a mere 300 rounds does seem unusual. Again time will tell.
Do you own a P365?
I am Like #365 LOL
So going to point out so much I see wrong. Apparently your a firing center without a speed loader. So pretty much having a hard to believing much you have to say. Also it is well known, I hope anyway to you guys for sure. That you don't limp wrist pistols and even some rifles that rely on a firm backing to cycle properly. Clearly like the last 15 plus platforms I have rented. They all failed this limp wrist hold. I was not using two fingers either. Also you should know that the type of ammo load affects this also.
Lets get to the its hot commentary. Unless your firing non polymer and even those metal framed will get hot. It only takes about 30 consecutive shots to get the gun hot. The failure that were the primary issue was broken firing pins. Depending on how each gun is built and tolerances everything from carbon build up to heat will cause issues to cycling. So maybe you guys need to stop regurgitating content well covered by pretty much all other channels at this point. Sure your title is halfway correct, but you failed to mention limp wrist will pretty much cause half if not more pistols out there to fail in cycling.
I do not see much credibility here other than hopping on the whats hot train to get views. Instead you get a down vote. I would say to checkout review guys like hickok45, Alabama Arsenal, and even Demolition Ranch to figure out what a channel is. How to stand out from the batch of channels and be worth watching. I mean seriously, a firing center and not fast loader.
What grain ammo were you using?
Blazer 115 grain. You can see the boxes in the video.
Nice!! Can’t wait for you to get mine in!!
Yeah, sticking with my 43 till Sig pulls it's collective head out of it's rear.