2023 Chevy Silverado 2.7 vs 5.3 Towing Test! | Does the 4 Cylinder Keep Up?
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- Опубліковано 28 гру 2022
- In this video we take the 2023 Chevy Silverado 2.7 and 5.3 V8 and tow a roughly 6,700 lbs trailer around the same loop. Both of these trucks have within a 200 lbs towing rating of each other despite having very different powertrains. Does one accelerate quicker than the other? Not really. The similarities of this experience was surprising to me as I thought there might be a larger difference. Let me know your thoughts in the comments below!
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If you watch the tachometer during the acceleration test, you will notice the 2.7L actually "redline" while the 5.3L does not. The simple fact of the matter is while it is possible to wring a lot of power from a small engine, it is going to be under a lot more stress than a larger engine.
As the video stated the 5.3L felt sluggish and he incorrectly attributed this to the transmission. Reality is it's the torque RPM of the 5.3l vs the 2.7T. 5.3L torque peak is 383torque@4000rpm. 2.7T has 350 torque by 1500rpm and peaks at 430torque@3000rpm.
To do actual work with a 5.3L, it will be turning much higher rpm regularly. So in that sense it will be working just as hard if not harder to do the same work as the 2.7T.
Don't forget the 2.7T get 3mpg better average than the 5.3L, the 5.3L also being a $2000 option so you spend more to get that engine. I prefer the extra 75 miles range per tank and also still having the ability to tow the same load as a v8.
I did not attribute the 5.3 being sluggish due directly due to the transmission. I praised the 10 speed several times. The throttle sensitivity was my biggest complaint with the 5.3 truck. The truck felt like it should have downshifted upon less throttle or just given more throttle (with less pedal travel) in the current gear. Also the 5.3 costs $3,095 more than the 2.7 in most (if not all) configurations.
@@CarsMadeSimple the 5.3l is a $2000 option in work truck trim. I guess i incorrectly assumed gm wasn't going to charge more in other trims. Is the difference in price US vs Canadian dollars?
@@troyg3439 I just doubled checked and the price difference applies to W/T trims also. It actually may have gone up since I made this video as the difference came out to be $3,490 for the W/T Crew Cab I built. The difference comes from about $2,000 in extra cost for the 5.3 and GM gives you a $1,500 "package discount" on the back end which totals over $3,000 savings. You can build them on the website and see what I am referring to.
4cyl make their torque and hp in the top end using a 4cyl like that it won’t last long
I think its all about the need. I using my 2021 2.7 as daily commuter and towing my two jet skiis during the summertime. It works perfect for me.. for my needs.
In your case a smaller truck would be more than sufficient, a Colorado would do all that easily. It’s been rumored that the 2.7 turbo 4 will end up in the Colorado, I can imagine that engine will feel like a rocket in a smaller truck.
Informative video! Nicely done. Thank you. Amazing the output manufacturers are getting from this turbocharged engines.
I agree! At this rate we might see 3 cylinders pushing 250+ hp/tq regularly.
You need to do towing up hills. I live in Montana. Towing on flat ground doesn't mean anything!
Under the big sky myself
I agree let's put it on the floor up a grade for a few miles than we shall see
Flat ground is very important for us Floridians 😅
@@cjnicholl8559 I'll bet it is😂
That’s what I was thinking as well but all these UA-camrs all they do if flat towing. I believe that the 5.3 will hold better than a 2.7 going uphill anyday .
Good video, good comparison. Luv the no hat while standing outside the truck, and the winter hat on while inside the truck
Haha that's a good point! 😆
I change trucks about every 3 years for work. I had a 2019 with the 2.7 and honestly, the reliability is not an issue with these motors. I put 147,000 on that truck with just standard maintenance. However, the downfall to these 2.7’s currently is the embarrassing transmission behind it. I’m a GM guy but that transmission is the worst I’ve ever had. I have the 5.3 now with the 10 speed in the refresh and absolutely love it.
Wow! That's great to hear the engine was reliable over 150k miles. The Transmission was also what I believed to be the weakest part of the setup. Did you switch to the 5.3 because of the transmission?
@@CarsMadeSimple the 10 speed was the main reason but I also missed those 8 cylinders lol
@@CarsMadeSimple in all honesty, the 2.7 has impressive performance, slightly better mpg, and cost less. However, the 5.3 is just so reliable and that is very comforting when purchasing a truck these days. Not to mention how much I love listening to it over the 2.7. I know it’s not important to some people but I’m a gear head and I enjoy every second of it
@@phillipcotten4872 That's totally fair! Everyone has personal preferences. It nice that you actually lived with a truck for years to gain experience rather than write off the 2.7 just because it doesn't sound appealing.
Glad to see a long term review of 150k with the 2.7. I was wondering how big of a hit did you take selling or trading it compared to a V8 of similar trim level and mileage?
I just I just picked up a 2022 Chevy Silverado LT with the 5.3 in April. Went on our I first camping trip with it towing our 5000 lb. + 24’ travel trailer. No issues at all. Towing it through Kentucky and Tennessee. I didn’t even know my trailer was back there. When I went up the hill I reached 3000 RPM and that 10 speed transmission is a dream. I averaged 11.5 MPG. And traveled apx. 1,000 miles! The ride is great and quiet.
Thank you for making this comparison with the newer 2.7L!!!
You're welcome! I am glad it was helpful.
Thanks for sharing your comparison between the 2.7 and 5.3, that LTZ with those wheels is pretty sharp looking. I plan to drive both back to back as well. I’m liking the idea of the turbo 4 cylinder, I already have two V8s in the yard that’s not going anywhere so I’m really thinking of trying something different.
That truck is certainly a head turner. If you are adding to a fleet, the 2.7 might be a good choice to try something new. It's got plenty of power, that's for sure.
Stick with the V8. You’ll be much happier. Personally I won’t own another turbo 4 or 6 cylinder.
I prefer the 5.3 litre cubic inch V8 over the 2.7 litre Turbo 4 cylinder, I miss the large V6 motor.
I currently drive the 2.7L LT Black. Towing between 6 and 7 thousand pounds of drywall weekly. My friend has the 5.3L Trail Boss. The 2.7 feels like driving a car that's tight and peppy, and the Trailboss feels like a straight up truck. Definitely like the sound of the 8 wayyy better though. ha
How’s the reliability been so far?, I’m in the market for the new rcsb 2.7.
@700chavo well as far as the engine and the important parts, the truck is amazing. At this point I can care less it's the 2.7 liter it works great. But the inside is of course still a chevy for instance I shop vacuumed off a little piece of chrome plastic from the air-conditioner vents. Like gone haha.
@@700chavo Don't buy the 8 which would be a monster if they got rid of that transmission. A five speed would be perfect.
@@700chavo 30k on my gmc elevation
It’s been perfect. 21-27 around town
22 hwy from WI to FL
Which one would I pick? The 6.2L. That's what I have and it beats the 5.3L all to hell. One thing to consider is frontal area. The trailer used in the video doesn't have much, but a travel trailer will have considerably more, so that will have an impact on towability, especially in mountainous terrain.
Very true. Aerodynamics do play a big part in towing.
Unfortunately the 6.2L is a lifter/pushrod disaster just waiting to happen.
@@g.k.1669 To about one percent of the engines out there.
@@g.k.1669 plus it require premium gas so that makes it a hard no
@@AlaskaErik Too much of a risk to take. My 5.3 is still working good at 106K in my Silverado however, I am having a Billet torque converter installed next week due to the number of failures that are occurring in the transmissions over 100K. I figure that it is better to pay $900 for the work and parts plus some fluid and trans filter replacement now instead of having it detonate on the freeway and pay $4K later.
Got a 2021 Chevy 4WD with the 2.7. Main reason was it was all the dealer had when my lease was up. I tow a 20 foot bass boat a lot. The 2.7 seems better towing than my old 5.3. Gas mileage towing is a little better with the 2.7. I am in Florida now without a boat and am getting 22 mpg. One thing I would have liked to see is a drag race between the 2 trucks. Not sure the dealer would go for that. Thanks for the video.
How did it pull the boat
@@johnmorgan6577 Pulls my 20 foot Ranger bass boat the same or maybe a little better than my last truck with the 5.3. I towed a 21 foot Triton boat here in Florida. You could feel the extra weight on takeoff but it still towed great. My buddy didn't believe it has a 4 cylinder until he saw it.
I just got the 2.7 and love how punchy she is. I was sold on it when I test-drove it. Solid truck.
Awesome to hear! I enjoyed the power as well.
Sounds like a nice Rig
Buddy has the 2.7, pulls 7400lbs around alot. Up hills down and flat. Over 80k miles and just regular maintenance. Most of the miles on the truck is pulling that 7400lbs. Its a strong tough engine for sure. He loves it.
I agree! I own a refreshed 22 with the 2.7. I love this truck!!
@@dmac4137I got one yesterday love it
I'm wondering how long the 2.7 will last. I hear people say, "I have 35K miles and it's been reliable." Some of us who don't like car payments deal in hundreds of thousands of miles.
It's a valid question but given the age of the engine, only time will tell.
Thanks for the informative video. I would have liked to have seen what their estimated average fuel mileage was with each engine and then seen what they got while towing the trailer.
The estimated MPG on the trucks computer was 15.4 MPG for the 2.7 and 15.8 MPG for the 5.3. The 5.3 had over 6,000 miles while the 2.7 had 550 miles or so. While towing on the short loop, they were both between 10-11 MPG according to the computer.
@@CarsMadeSimple I think that 2.7 would have gotten better mileage with the stock smaller rims. Plus it would have pulled even harder. Big rims rob power and fuel. Probably would have rode better too on stock. What was stock, 17"?
Is it true 2022 and newer 5.3 don't have the cylinder deactivation? I've read that it's really not fool proof to delete it using a scan tool. Plus, I think GM can access live connect can't they and turn it back to stock on a whim. The days of simple and honest are all a distant memory now unfortunately. I know not everyone discovers this yet though.
I have a feeling that 8 speed is purposely made to exploit the very high torque that 2.7 has at 1500+ revs. Doesn't make it a good tranny tho. You'd think it wouldn't have shifted so poorly. Personally I'd even prefer a 6 or 7 speed on turbos, as long as they're a good trans. Is the 10 sp the same unit Ford uses too I've heard?
I meant to say..if driven gently, I'll bet the 2.7 would easily beat whatever the EPA says, city or highway. The problem though is it's hard not to use the power and torque if it's there begging to be urged, and all turbos have huge fuel lines and pumping capacity with any heavy foot.
Someone mentioned towing a travel trailer with high wind resistance would be a better test. And that's true, especially if driven over 55 very often. There's a guy that tows a 32 or 35' travel trailer and he gets amazing mileage but I think he keeps it under 60. Says he always launches gently. If he's heavy on the throttle says the economy can disappear but treat it decent and rewards much better than previous V8.
I agree with previous comments. Towing on flat ground isn’t much different then going down hill.Find some nice hills to tow up and try towing a trailer through 6” or more of snow.
Just got the 2.7 turbo. I wanted a midsize truck cause I don't need all that towing power. But man I didn't fit in those mid size trucks. Don't know how people with families do it. I didn't want a full Size truck cause of the price and how they eat gas. This truck is amazing always get 21.9 in city and freeway to the gallon. I'm glad it's give me more than I will ever need at a price that works for me. And it fits my family. Sorry I know that bothers people. But you know what I'm tired of always needing a truck and trying to find someone or renting one to move stuff or take to the dump. Oh and she jets I was surprised. I hope they keep making them. I'll buy an updated one in a couple years.
Midsize definitely can work for families but typically I would say those fit families best with up to one child. They can run out of space fairly quick with more than that. I am glad you are enjoying your Silverado 2.7 so far! That seems to be better MPG than I have been able to achieve.
I remember I was like everyone else cutting down this 2.7 Turbo saying I would never own one,,,6 months later I bought a new 2023 Colorado Trail Boss with this motor,,it’s a amazing power plant!
Experience is one of the best methods of changing an opinion.
It’s got some pep, however it’s an oil burner. Lol got rid of mine
@@joshtaylor1416 mine is at 30k no oil burn 2023
430 lb of torque
@@brettb2701 I doubt that
@@joshtaylor1416 why?
If your wanting to tow heavy loads all day every day get the 5.3 . If you want a everyday day truck to pick stuff up or tow a boat every so offten get the 2.7 .
I have a 2016 Colorado with a V6 and tow a 5000 lb travel trailer. While it does ok, it's no fun towing in the mountains. Looking to possibly get a new Colorado/Canyon with the 2.7 HO or the Silverado with the same engine. Thanks for sharing.
The new Colorado is right around the corner, it might be worth waiting a few months until you can look at both in person. As you know the Silverado is a good step up in size.
I pull my 5,000 lbs wolf pup with my Colorado V6. It does fine, but I would like something a little heavier but the engine is solid.
I was happy with the 4.3
That was a very solid engine.
Had a 4.3 vortex blazer 98 and u could not kill it. I jumped it off a 8 foot cliff at a construction site in high school n it took it like a champ raised he'll everywhere I went..only hiccup was the transmission which me n my auto teacher stuck a Richmond racing rear end in
when i got my 2018 i tried two diffrent silveradoe trucks one was work truck and the other a Z71 LT both where crew cab 6 1/2 bed the work truck drove stiffer do to the suspension packages and the LTZ has a softer riding suspension
I had a 2020 and a 2022 both with the 5.3. I now have a 2023 with the new 2.7. I tow a small travel trailer, about 3500 lbs, neither engine broke a sweat towing. I didn't think I'd like the 2.7 but I gave it a chance and its awesome. The sound of the V8 is hard to match, but the turbo makes soom cool noises too. Performance is comparable. 2.7 is definitely faster out of the hole with a brake launch.
Did you have any problems with either of your 5.3's? I've had older ones and looking at getting a new one but the Internet has been pretty hard on them with issues the last few years.
@@curtis1951 my 2020 misfired a couple of times. Dealership did an update and it was fine afterwards. My 2022 was totally fine. Full disclosure, I didn't have either of them very long so I might not be the best to provide feedback on longevity!
@@salamancadingding
Thanks.
Both solid trucks! Great video. I would say you’re probably feelin a suspension difference because the LTZ may have been packaged with a different suspension. It is above the LT and comes stock with “better” suspension. Not 100 on that though.
The power difference you’re feeling is the axel ratio. That LTZ is has a 3.23… hehe not ideal for towing. The 3.42 will always out-perform the 3.23 towing.
Personally I bought a 4x2 because I’m gonna make towing a constant, i have no need to off-road. My 5.3 is pretty sensitive on the throttle without the extra weight of the transfer case, or maybe it gears different because there is no transfer case, I don’t know… it feels just as responsive as the 2.7 I test drove though.
Thanks! They both had the standard option for their trims levels in terms of suspension so that is why I assumed they would be pretty close but it could be different. I agree that the 3.42 is the better of the two for towing and moving up to the 3.73 would likely help even more. That's good that your feels more responsive. It could have some sort of adaptive learning too which made it less responsive based on the past 6,000 miles of driving.
"That LTZ is has a 3.23… hehe not designed for towing." Not true. The 10 speed transmission makes up for the difference...nicely!
3.42 not 3.43
I don't off road either but I still got z71 4x4 because Wisconsin does have snowy winter's
Think I’ll keep rollin in my 07...
Can you elaborate on the shifting? I’ve got an 8-speed 2017 Colorado, and I’ve liked the truck so much that I’ll look at getting into the next gen Colorado when they come out…IF they’ve gotten the 8-speeds smoothed out/fixed. So tired of the intermittent hard shifting.
The 2023 Colorado is suppose to have the Gen 2 8 speed. The main complaint I had about the Silverado was the downshift from 2-1 under certain conditions.
A travel trailer with the same weight will tow a lot harder, then the flat trailer with a tank on it
I test drove chevy's (actually test drove every half ton except the tundra, and all three 3/4 tons) with both the 5.3 and 2.7. The 2.7 definitely felt peppier than the 5.3, hands down. I had a hard time believing the 2.7 would pull a travel trailer, especially for longevity, which was the reason for this purchase. I wound up in a Nissan Titan.
Wound up in a nissan titan 😂
I put a down payment to order a nice Silverado trailboss. When I couldn’t sleep at night spending that much on a new truck I ended up with a titan and absolutely LOVE it.
2.7 will need some time before the public gains confidence in it especially since the mpg are not that much different between it and the 5.3. It may have made more sense to put it in the Colorado/Canyon and perhaps some of their SUVs like the Acadia and Tahoe back in 2020. It's too bad GM didn't take their 4.3 V6 and turn it into a turbo. That engine has a long track record and would have been more readily accepted by the truck buying public. I drive a 2010 Sierra with the 5.3 and 6 speed and have had zero problems over the 100 000 miles I've driven with it.
I agree. It will take time to for everyone to get used to this base engine option that just so happens to have more torque than the 5.3. Despite the downfalls, I still believe it is a great upgrade (or base engine) over the 4.3 which was just a little low on power and didn't get great fuel economy either. Hopefully the revised 8 speed goes into the Silverado after the Colorado/Canyon as it can use all the help it can get.
@@CarsMadeSimple Hopefully they resolve the issues with the 8 speed. My dad drives a 19 Silverado with the 5.3 and 8 speed. The transmission has been troublesome since day 1. Hard shifting and or delayed shifting seem to be the norm. It was checked out by the dealer that he bought the truck from. They say, it's operating normally and refused to even do the fluid flush that seems to have helped some people. With the price of trucks these days, quite a shame that manufacturers don't address these issue.
@@joeraptor1 I took mine in a few weeks ago with some of the common complaints and they said with it having just over 50k miles and since GM recommends trans flush every 50k miles, thats what they did. It did may a noticeable difference right away. We’ll see how long before symptoms come back.
Yeah id pick the 7.3 godzilla
@@donfraz90 We asked the dealer to do the flush but they wouldn't cover it under warranty. They wanted $1000 (Canadian) for it. There seems to be some significant issues with that 8 speed but GM is not acknowledging it nor accepting responsibility.
I bought a 2.7 h.o silverado. The only complaint i had was the pedal tuning. The transmission is to quick to downshift, it doesn't let you use the full low-end torque of the engine. Very different from my 2.8 duramax witch would not downshift unless you get into it. But from a dead start when you floor it, you defenetly now there's shit load of torque there, i just wish it would let you build full boost before downshifting. Maybe the transmission programming will adapt over time.
I thought the pedal tuning was very good as a whole. Peak torque comes in right around 3,000 RPM which is just under the middle of the rev band. I thought it did a decent job keeping it in this area.
@@CarsMadeSimple ohh, it's matter of preference then. I took delivery of the truck today. I don't know why but this one is less prone to downshift than the one i test drove a month ago. But i like when it revs low. I rarely let it rev to 2500rpm. I'm not sure of the claimed 430lbs/ft of torque on regular fuel tho. It pulls hard when you let the boost come, but not that hard if i refer to my butt dyno.
13.5L/100 of city driving today, seems pretty good for such a large thing.
How about doing some tests outside of completely flat terrain. Need to see performance comparisons driving up hills and driving up hills when towing.
Unfortunately the Midwest doesn't have large grades to test on like in the mountainous areas. The one decent hill we did drive up, both trucks did fine.
I realize that you said that there will be more videos. I am interested in the miles per gallon of the 2.7 and the 5.3 during this test. The factory shows the MPG ratings being better for the 5.3 over the 2.7. This one fact has dampened my interest in the 2.7! Great video!
Yes I have an entire playlist with videos from this truck. As for MPG during the towing test, both trucks were very similar at around 10-11 MPG according to the computer.
I have a 2022 Crew Cab with 2.7L, 4x4, and all weather tires... ~1k miles. The fuel mileage varies a lot based on conditions, obviously, but overall it's great:
- 30 mile commute in hills and a +1000ft grade climbs, I average 22-24mpg at 70-75mph.
- On country roads with few stop signs I average 24-26mpg at 55mph
- Short city drives vary based on how hot the engine gets. A short 2-3 miler is about 10-14mpg, a 5+miler is between 16-21mpg.
I will say I am not heavy footed though... Only when I get the itch on occasion, haha.
2022 2.7 Silverado
Owned the guy for a year now and so far he’s taken the beating. He’s pulled our Travel Trailer (5000 lbs) every 2-3 weeks during the summer. Been challenged traveling to the central coast, through the hills of Tehachapi, and heat of the desert.
Handled a payload close to a ton of granite stepping stone. Little guy has a lot of grit along with that quiet engine sound.
Sorry folks after a long day at work quiet is what I’m looking for. If I want loud I’ll start my Harley 😂.
Like the dude said, test the 2.7 and the 5.3. I should have gotten the 5.3 since my wife and I travel a lot but my thinking is efficiency.
No half ton should be towing over 7k lbs regularly. It’s just too much stress over time especially if you’re towing in the mountains. That’s where a diesel comes into view where it makes its maximum torque at less than 2k rpm. You can tow heavy and the engine isn’t working nearly as hard as gas engines.
If GM offered something better then 3.43 rear I would of bought a Sierra . Ended up getting a 5.0 Tremor where 3.73 is standard
It would be nice to have another option with the 2.7 engine.
Had to order My 23 Trail Boss because I wanted the 5.3 V8.
At least you were able to get exactly what you wanted.
@@CarsMadeSimple yeah, my truck gets manufactured this week. It'll be another month before it's here. I believe it will be worth the wait.
Fuel economy comparison? Also something t keep in mind is that trailer may weight around the same as the average travel trailer but it's different when towing with wind resistance.
Very true! MPG according to the computer was only different by around 2-3 MPG for the short loop.
Good review. Travel trailer will have way more drag though.
Thanks! Yes, I agree.
I tow a travel trailer at about 8k pounds and 33 feet long, drag def makes a difference but the 2.7 has no problem towing it. We made several trips from north of Syracuse New York to Virginia, and the hills on 81 weren’t an issue. Gas mileage is under 8mpg though, but tows much better than the 5.3. Hopefully they put the 10 speed with it.
Like my 1998 k2500 suburban with 7.4, could haul both trucks and trailer without a problem
I'd just choose the 2.7 and save a couple grand -- perfectly capable for my needs. Just curious what car youre filming in? Palisade?
Yes! I was performing the Navigation update so I had some free time while it was updating. 😄
My buddy has the 2.7l and then sold him on the be it would tow as much as the 5.3 he traded in. Yah it might but it gets about 6/7 mpg while towing our two snowmobiles and aluminum trailer so 2000lbs max and it gets 7mpg and was running out of power going up hills while.my 5 year older 5.3L gets 16 mpg towing the exact same trailer on the exact same route and has power to accelerate up hill. Weight of trailer is one thing but a camper or enclosed trailer also has drag working like a wind sail sometimes. For me I'm buying a full size truck I want a full size motor . For years the 4.3L was the go to for a v6 in Chevy trucks to save gas and price and it was probably too reliable so gm axed it haha.
Chevy build a 4.3 v6 Turbo non AFM! That would sell like hot tamales 🫔
They weren't smart enough to implement that.
Nice…. But they do have Timing Belt engine not chain
Looked like the 5.3 had smaller rims and bigger tires. I know big rims are the thing now but tires help with the ride. The more actual tire to absorb bumps help. A 17" rim vs 20" rim on the same truck will have the same outside circumference but the 17" will have more tire and cushion while the lower profile tire has to have more psi and rides stiffer or less forgiving.
I use a Draw-Tite branded Tekonsha inertial brake controller. Almost all the brands out there are relabeled Tekonshas anyway.
Hello.
I just bought this truck (Silverado 1500 LT 2FL Turbomax, 4x4, ) about 4 weeks ago, this car is beautiful, good, strong engine. I want to buy an RV but I don't know if this vehicle can tow an RV or not? If so, what is the maximum weight of an RV?
My Truck: Brand new 2024
Gvwr=7,000lbs.
Gcwr=14,500lbs.
Rgawr=38,000lbs.
Maxpayload=1,966lbs.
Curbweight=5,034lbs.
Conventional TWR=9,000lbs.
Max tongue weight=900lbs.
Gooseneck TWR=8,900lbs.
Max tongue weight=1,335lbs.
Gawr FRT=3,800lbs.
Gawr RR=3,800lbs.
Tire size:
FRT=RR=265/65R18 T. (rim 18x8.5J)
SPA=265/70R17 S (rim 17x8J).
Font=Rear=Spare=240 kPa, 35Psi.
So, Can my truck (GVWR=7,000lbs) tow an RV/Trailer with a maximum load of 9,000lbs?
If possible, please post more videos of the Silverado 1500 2.7l, 4-cylinder truck pulling an RV trailer.
Thanks
The 2.7 has great low end torque. If i buy one it would the 3.0 diesel. Its a straight six that can get over 30 mpg. Just hope GM doesn't stop making them. Like Dodge and Ford.
Looking At The Sticker On The Truck Is Sensible To Look At Before Heavy Towing.If The Towing Capacity Is Like 9500 LBS The Capacity Tow Between 5500 LBS & 7500 LBS.
I'd like to see the test in the mountains. The turbo would really shine at higher altitude, whereas the V8 would probably bog down a little.
i have 2021 have 36000 mi on no problems at all has the 2.7 turbo we have the same trucks at my work except they are 4by 4 and they have a lot of miles and I asked they’ve had any problems and they said none at all with the 2.7 turbo but they had problems with 5.3
I bought a 20 HD with gas. I've been looking into a half ton for work. I'm looking at the duramax. I need gas mileage. I drive a yoga yaris to work. It's got 200k now. The 2.7 is on the list also so I appreciate the review. I like my trucks as plain as possible. The work truck version would be fine by me. It's a truck. Supposed to work.
I highly recommend the 3.0 Duramax. My 2022 GMC Crew Cab 4x4 with one gets 32+ mpg on the highway driving 70 with cruise control.
We have many 2.7 Customs and one W/T trim in stock (Along with a couple 2022 and 2023 3.0 Duramax's) if you are interested!
Just a disclaimer, the 2.7 has a negligible impact on fuel economy compared to the 5.3, those things suck down fuel pretty good
He is one nice looking young man!
What seats are those inside the black truck. I have a 22 teailboss and they do not look similar at all
This is not meant as a mean spirited comment but simply my experiences. Having towed RV's for 45+ years; my bet is if you were towing a travel trailer you would be very close & more likely over the hitch cap & maybe the carrying cap as well for those trucks. My 27' trailer is appx. 7200# wet with a tongue wt of ~1100#. Add a few hundred #'s for gear in the bed or cab + 2-4 passengers and you are soon at or above the carrying cap of most 1/2t pickups. It's not the tow rating but the carrying cap that'll get you. I towed this rig with a 1/2t for 5 years but moved up to a 1T. Day & night differences. My 1/2t was a Heavy Tow 3.5l ECO. Plenty of power, just too close on the carrying cap. Turbo's create torque. It towed better than my 1/2t, 5L v-8. Turbo had 3.23 rear & the V8 had 3.73. I agree with your summation on the trottle response differences.
Thanks for the comment. I was referring to smaller trailers such as single axle's and smaller double axle travel trailers up to around 24' or so. Looking online it looks like these trailers vary a lot but many are well under 7,000 lbs wet.
@@CarsMadeSimple yes, I caught that, but even at 24’ you may be bumping up against max carrying capacity. My rule of thumb as well as many seasoned rv trailer people is to come in at around 80% of capacity. In a majority of time with rv’s you’ll hit max weight carrying cap way before max towing. A flatbed trailer with sand or water will have a much lower profile and most likely not have the same issue’s. Travel trailers also have a lot of real estate up in the air and will find a lot of wind resistance. Side winds will create other issues as well.. although a lot do it 1/2t trucks should limit towing of rv’s to the very small size. Do your test now with a tt or the water tank with a 3/4t or 1t and you’ll see what I mean. Day & night difference. Plain old physics.
From my understanding you should not exceed 15% tongue weight for conventional towing. Going over by a little might be acceptable but even if you say 15% of 7,000 lbs that would be 1,050 lbs. That leaves 882 lbs of payload possible within the truck. This is a comfortable margin for a few people and stuff. If you are able to back off the tongue weight a little this would add capacity. Just looking online, many 20-24' double axle trailers are actually closer to 5,500 - 6,000 lbs wet. I think a 1/2 ton truck should handle this easily even with added wind resistance if you are balancing your tongue weight correctly.
Good points
FYI: I have a 2017 with Chevy's terrible 8-speed transmission. Had to rebuild once, and just after warranty expiration, rebuild has started experiencing the "Chevy Clunk". Mechanic did say "rebuild will as good as new". That's the problem...
What is the fuel mileage comparison of the 2 trucks when towing? which is more frugal? Do you feel like the 2.7 lacking in power when towing uphill?
I have had 2 - 2.7s and I currently have a 5.3. The fuel mileage drops a lot lower on the 2.7 when towing. The fuel mileage on the 2023 5.3 is about 3 to 5 miles per gallon better than my 2.7s at 75 miles per hour when not towing. The 2.7 feels a little better at towing during take off up to 40mph and the 5.3 feels and sounds better during Highway speeds especially up hills.
@@TexarkanaPrepper thanks for that man. Atleast i have an idea what to buy that would suit my needs.
I chose to watch this video because I was hoping to get MPG numbers with the towing. I was wondering what got better towing MPG.
It was extremely similar between the two according to the computer. They were both around 11-12 MPG over the 21 mile loop. This included the hard acceleration and a decent hill climb among the other driving.
I have a 2022 Silverado 1500 LT 2.7L turbo and I average 12 mpg with it while towing my 7500 lb. and 30-foot-long Rockwood travel trailer. I usually run between 60-65 mph with it and don't drive it hard. It has plenty of towing power and I love this truck.
3500lb boat some hills 12.5 mpg with a 2023 gmc 2.7T elevation
Hopefully the 2.7 doesn’t have as much problems as the 5.3 AFM system that cost customers thousands when they get out of warranty and the engine takes a crap.
my guess is alot of these guys have 4 bangers collecting dust on their lots the people I talk to are more worried about wearing a 2.7 out at 75- 100k than they are at towing and mpg......and then there's the 8 Spd trans
in the full sized truck GM could have optional 2 diesel engines. the 3litre and a 7.5liter inline six. with the timing chain and service ability from the front. the big rigs use an inline six. balanced motor and one cylinder head....plus durability
towing test should be with best rear gear availible.max tow NHT 5.3 3.73
5.3L for highway everyday towing. 4-cylinder turbo for in town and occasional highway towing.
That blue truck looks good…LTZ is bad ass truck.
Very sharp indeed! It's gets compliments all the time.
@@CarsMadeSimple kinda wish you’d put the 6.2 in just for fun… maybe another video? And also. Could you tell me what rims are on that LTZ. Most of them I look at have plain ole uglier rims on….I like the rims on this truck
What's the gcwr of the 2.7?
I’ve driven both and the 5.3 v8 has more power and torque feeling. The 2.7 engine you have to floor it more often and higher rpm’s
Hey, try getting your truck side window replaced!
The 2.7 should be brilliant in the updated Colorado/Canyon.
It should be very good!
The turbo dose not effect high rpm power i don’t know where you got that from . turbos can have very different characteristics with different setups and engine design. Overhead cam 4 cylinders are actually at there best at high rpm. It’s just that the 2.7 has technology to spools the turbo fast. They could’ve made a turbo the spools late and it would be a high rpm screamer but it won’t feel like a truck so they didn’t.
For me there is only one choice in the GM half ton pickups and that is the 3.0 Duramax!
I would like to drive that engine a little more to see how it compares. From my little experience and all the reviews online, it seems like a well rounded option.
Belt driven oil pump. You can’t escape the dumbfuckery of modern engineering.
The question for me is will the 4 cyl turbo be on the road in 18 years and 250k - 350k miles like any 5.3 does with proper maintenance. I keep my trucks for a very long time. I sense it would cost a fortune to keep them going properly as they age.
2.7T is built based on the duramax diesel so upper 100’s to 200’s
I’d worry about the 8spd torque converter
Great video.. seems like the 2.7 does not need to redline in order to meet its max torque, so technically it will be easier, and quicker to get up to speed with less fuss. I know you maxed out redline during hard acceleration on the 2.7 but that is not the norm for most driving conditions. You're not going to be trying to do burnouts with a trailer out back.. as long as you can get the truck/trailer combo up and running using its low end torque, there's no need to hit the higher rpms, thus reducing wear and increasing the 2.7's engine longevity, vs the 5.3's requirement to rev higher in order to get similar torque results.
The computer will control what it thinks is ideal for current throttle input. It is likely true during hard acceleration revving the engine out is slightly better than shifting early in most cases. I agree that in most cases you'll be below redline in the 2.7.
With that 2.7 I will be worried about the turbo seals. A lot more moving parts in maintenance you have to do with that one
Please show us how the 2.7 compares to the 5.3 pulling a 6500+lb. trailer on a 7-9 percent grade. Flat ground towing is not a realistic test of its capabilities.
I don't think I'd like to have to red line everytime to shift with a load. A one time load test tells very little about wear on the drive train over a one year test. I want to know how that drive train hold up. Rebuilding a turbo isn't cheap, rebuilding anything isn;t cheat.
12000 miles on my 2.7 and 18.5 mpg average. Whistle sound is funny. Had a ford eco boost 2.7 prior and was twice as fast and was around 19.5mpg. I would say Silverado 2.7 seems to be solid as I’m extremely rough on trucks.
Thanks for sharing!
LTZ suspension is tuned for comfort.
If they would use a 3.7 rear end the engine would perform a lot better
They may feel even now but I just about guarantee the 5.3 will still be running long after the 2.7 is in the crusher.
My 5.3 has 349k on the clock, and the intake and valve covers have never been touched. That 2.7 will never be able to do that. Transmissions are total crap though.
@@trevorjarvis3050 AFM tho?
The 2.7 is one of the best engines GM currently has for durability.These 5.3 s are nothing like an LS ,the eat cams lifters and oil pump solenoids from between 60-120k miles .Oil pump is a huge job on a 5.3L. It would take 5 cams and lifters to get 300kout of a 5.3 LT engine
@@JohnDiMartino my current 5.3 has 349k on the clock and has never had a valve cover off! Has 50lbs of oil pressure, and purrs like a kitten. (Edit here)… you are correct about the current newer model 5.3. Neighbor down the road bought a ‘21 and it’s been in the dealer parking lot for almost 3 weeks now. Cam and lifters, vvt problems.
my 5.3 blow up after 55 000 km so im going for the 2,7 turbo
T eight speed is designed specifically for the 2.7
Lol just think for 100 years we didn't have trailer breaking. But now it's a safety hazard.
Do the 3.0 vs the 6.2
Noted!
My 5.3 went to crap at 210k, rod knock despite proper maintenance. Tundra here I come haha
lol dude you got some good miles out of that engine. Where you expecting 500k?
I read the 2.7 HO has a 4% failure rate. The 5.3 is down around 1%. I'm not fan of turbo charged engines for daily use. 5.3's I've had never were a problem. So I won't buy a 2.7 HO or any Eco Boosted truck. I drive a RAM HD with the 6.7 Cummins. Great towing truck.
I have not watch the video yet. I'm guessing the 2.7 pull better because I own a 2016 F165. Yes I said F165. I call my F150 this because the engine is 165 cuin. I have smoked a 5.3 v8 twice in the same video. They are good engines but they can't breath when a 165 cuin boosted engine is near them.
What mpgs did the two trucks get?
Both were around 11-12 MPG for this short loop according to the computer.
@@CarsMadeSimple ok thanks.
All gasoline engines do is convert fuel into kinetic energy. With modern engine design, transmissions and fuel mapping, there's not going to be much difference between one engine and another in the same vehicle, which is probably why manufacturers are moving away from offering multiple engine options. Adding electric to the mix via hybridization is the only way to make a real difference in performance or fuel economy.
15 years from now 5.3 will still be running strong turbo 4 I think not so much
The reason this is a bad comparison video is because the 2.7 L comes with the 342 rear end the 5.3 L is not necessarily option with the 342 rear end..... Yes they make a tremendous difference over the last 10 years I have owned both, a 5.3 L with the 323 rear end and the 342 Eaton locker. I've also owned a 6.2 L with a 323 rear end and a 6.2 L with the 342 locker. They make a tremendous difference including the max tow rating. But not necessarily the tongue weight rating which relies specifically on having the max tow haul package versus the trailering.... They are two very different RPO codes.
So unless you know what you're doing when you make a comparison particularly analyzing which package is on which vehicle you're really not doing a very fair comparison.
By the way there is only a hundred pound curb weight difference between the 2.7 L crew cab short box and the 5.3 L crew cab short box.
However now that I own a 2023 2.7 L crew cab short box after just trading in
What wheel package is on the blue truck
GM calls that design the "22" BRIGHT CHROME MULTI-SPOKE WHEELS"
My 5.3L has 22 years on it with minimum maintenance., the 2.7L will never do that, case closed.
This is a different 5.3L. It actually makes some decent power compared to the old boat anchors from 20 years ago.
Having owned 3 modern GM cars with small displacement 4 cylinder turbos, each driven over 100k miles I can say keep your dinosaur engine. The 2.7T will out tow the 5.3L based on a more usable torque RPM and higher torque output.
@@troyg3439 You could keep your civic sounding full size pickup snowflake. The 5.3 V8 will outlast any crappy turbo 4 cylinder engine. I will never buy a shitty 4 cylinder turbo full size truck.
I love the sound of a V-8 engine. That aside, with the fuel management systems GM has on bothe the 5.3 and 6
2 engines, their reliability has been called into question. There are bullet-proofing aftermarket kits to remove the AFM system to keep all 8 cylinders pumping, which should greatly extend the life and reliability of these two engines. On another note, GM's 2.7 4cyl turbo is a very capable option. When maticuously maintained and not abused, they do last as long as non turbos. Look at Ford's Ecoboost engines, there are many near or past 200K miles. I am not the biggest fan of the sound, but I will give credit to all these forced-air 4 and 6 cyl engines on the market today. Like it or not, they are the future for ICE vehicles.
Turbo's and head gaskets. Don't see it lasting 300k like the 5.3. Who's knows? It will sound like a turd wagon when it has an exhaust leak.
GM needs to get rid of the AFM. Then I would go back to a Silverado. For now I’ll stick with my 2018 F150 2.7 twin turbo.
Have it disabled. I did
@@marcmo7138 I had a 2015 Silverado that I bought with 100k miles. I put a oil catch can on at 126k and then when I hit 130k I had a afm lifter fail, it collapsed. When afm engaged it would make a rattle sound so I had to keep the transmission to M5 to keep it from going into v4 mode. Dealer told me $2500 to replace the lifters. I ended up doing it all myself. It was quite easy actually. Those lifters can still fail when disabling the afm. I do believe the catch can had something to do with my afm lifter collapsing.
I'm going to wait a while to see if the I4 (165CI) turbo can make 200,000 miles. As for the V8 (323CI) it's been around for a while and it doesn't have a turbo to replace ($$$$).
You don't have to wait JJ, The 2.7 liter 4 cylinder High Output Turbo will out tow and is one of only two engines that GM hasn't been able to break! that's right, GM can't break the 2.7 liter turbo and neither could you.
There is no turbo to “Replace” they built it much like the turbo diesel engine already in their line which has a great reputation durability-wise. The turbo is integrated as part of the engine. These 2.7s are gonna be a great option for anyone looking to save a few grand off msrp and gas. It’s gonna be a solid truck for many years to come.
I hear nothing but good stuff for this 2.7L 4-banger. The only thing I really have an issue with, it sounds like a turd! Yes, I'm a little old school, but I really don't want my truck sounding like a scolded hamster. I enjoy the sound that a V-8 makes. It may be a petty thing to some, but that is just my 2 cents worth. Reliability for today's 5.3 certainly is questionable, and I wish GM would get this engine fixed-up properly.
I won't be buying a 4cyl full size till I see how long the motor lasts after a few years can't see these running over 150 thousand miles without kaboom.
I’m interested in the 4 cylinder because I’ve known and seen too many lifter failures with the 5.3
@@thomasmcghee2468 My 5.3 has no failures after 22 years.
@@tedmoss you have an LS motor which is a different animal, it’s the 5.3 Ecotec that is having the failures. If the newer models had the LS version I’d buy one
Went and looked at these trucks over the weekend, all 4 dealerships told me that GM has tested the 2.7 to 2 million miles without failure, only the 2nd motor to do so, the other is the 5.3
@@thomasmcghee2468 AFM/DFM Disabler allows your V6 or V8 GM vehicle to run in full cylinder mode at all times, preventing the Active or Dynamic Fuel Management system from dropping cylinders hence avoiding lifter failure as long as you maintenance your vehicle 5.3 will run long long time mines a 2012 with zero issues ever
Missing the large frontal area of a travel trailer so its apple and oranges.
That is true
wheel spin = torque
are thoses ful size trucks?
Yes
I would rather have a V6 non-turbo than the turbo 4 banger.
Bummer there isnt any hills there. My wife's CRV will tow that on flat.
I'm thoroughly enjoying my 2022 Chevy Silverado 2.7 Turbo. As always Chevrolet divers that's why Cheby is The est of The Best. Keep Trucking!!
No spell check on your computer?
If you're towing often, I can't see getting the 2.7...but 4/5 truck buyers don't even tow at all I bet.
I would agree that the majority of trucks tow only a handful of times in their lifetime.
That trailer does not have the wind resistance you would have with a travel trailer.