Thank you for your real world tow testing, very impressive. Brother tows with 2011 Silverado 5.3 camper approx. 6k loaded. Does ok on reasonable level ground but requires very high rpm on grades yielding 8 -10 mpg (Ca Sierra Nevada Mtn). Great to see new options for most who only tow part time.
The ability of the turbo to give that low end power is amazing. It has very little need to downshift which saves a lot of trans wear. I would bet the 4cyl would hold speed at 3k rpm no problem with 6k lbs.
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 That's what I thought, seems like even just idling with the hood open it kinda has a clackity diesel sound. I'm just basing that from videos so far, but I ordered a Colorado ZR2 with this engine and I'm excited to feel 430 pounds of torque in the midsize package.
I bought a 2016 F165 new in 2016. It now has 89,000 miles with both stock turbos. I towed a 96 4x4 Tahoe 5,300 lbs. on a Uhaul trailer 2,000 lbs. it only has 375 lbs-ft torque @ 3,000 rpm. I didn’t have any problems going up hills.
I’ve always been a V8 guy but my V8 Silverado with a 6.0 is a dog towing our boat up any kind of grade. Also the fact is averages about 11 mpg not towing anything just sucks. The mpg while towing? I don’t even want to know. The technology in this 4 cyl is downright impressive. I would consider getting this Silverado with the 4 cyl. Your truck didn’t even break 4000 rpm merging onto the freeway. Insane!
Those older 6.0s are dogs, I had a 2001 and got the same 11 MPG. This thing tows way better and gets 29 on long trips, 22 with my normal driving around town + highways, 17 mpg while towing open single axle trailers, 12 mpg while towing 10k lbs.
@jpete3027666 We have a 2015 4 door 4x4 6.0 dually with 4.10 gears. gets 11 mpg all day. Pulling our 10k 35' TT it gets 6 mpg and it HATES hills it basically Sucks lol
I used to have a 2013 Ram 1500 and pulled a huge 30 ft boat with it. It rode good unloaded but like you said, it would squat all the way down until I added airbags. Ram is comfy for daily driving but trucks need leaf springs for weight handling. I now have a Silverado 5.3L but my friend just got a 2.7L Silverado and I'm anxious to drive it and see how it compares.
great video.. the 2.7 turbo made me a believer. I do not miss my GMC Sierra 1500 Denali 6.2 thirsty V8 for this little turbo version. I have not looked back. no issues towing my 23 ft pontoon and tandem trailer to/from the lake which it about an hour away on super hilly roads. Truck is a beast and a keeper.
Just bought a 2023 trail boss z71 2.7L turbo LT, 1100 miles now, still not broke in yet, this is my work truck, I am supper impressed with this motor, I am a V8 man old school, I am caring about 3800 lbs in the back of this truck, it has dropped about 2" but cannot tell there is anything back there, this is just like and they designed it this way to be just like a diesel engine, so much torque in this engine, my 6.0 and my 5.3 don`t even compare to this, it's early but I am very very pleased, not going to mention any MPG yet just because the vehicle is to new at this time, thanks and good luck.
I'm digging the tech GM invested in this 4 bang. This isn't a fail, fly by night engine. It's got incredible future, just like the 3.0 duramax. The R&D team over there is hitting on all cylinders. GM continues to impress. A creative person might have to tinker with this boxo de quatro 🧐🤔 and try pushing for 500hp/750 ft-lbs. I'm actually pretty certain with some bolt on parts, water cooled aftercooler, tunes, etc it could achieve that with stock internals. Very cool engine that says Honda from the outside, and Sherman Tank from the inside. The 3.0 duramax is another incredible engine worth tinkering with. I'd be thrilled to have the 2.7 or 3.0 diesel in place of a typical truck veggie juice.
from what my friend who owns one of these trucks is saying, there aren't any tunes yet because the ECM is locked/encrypted by GM. Hopefully someone can crack it because I'm sure it has a lot of potential.
Love the video!!! If I compare the other trucks V8 and V6 the I got before. And very surprised with my 21 Silverado 2.7 and I love it. Pull my 5,800 camper easily and my trailer with the big lawnmowers for all summer and no problem so far. Very happy and good fuel economy... 💪🏽👍🏽
This doesn't feel as fast as the 3.5 but still plenty of power. It does however feel stronger in the 1300-2000 rpm range as i can tow very well without downshifting
I just got this truck I agree with everything you said ill update this when I get through my first tank of gas I’m at like 230 miles now and still have half a tank
I have a 2023 Chevrolet Silverado LT 4 cyl Turbo with towing package. I changed out the factory air filter for a K&N factory type air filter, just after I picked it up. The best mileage that I have gotten so far with this setup is 32.7 mpg. I have towed several large loads. Works great.
@freebehindbars8654 he probably is resetting the mpg counter after he is up to speed on the highway. The truck has a built in feature for recording "best mpg" and it will ONLY count a complete trip from start up to shut down and a minimum of 25 miles. My personal best is 29.2 mpg on a long highway trip on a 55mph highway
My 2020 5.3 silverado gear hunts terribly only loaded to about 5k lbs. Before I had a 2019 silverado 2.7 I had bought new. My only complaints were the new body style glitches it had. It got great mileage, and it made the same power as the 5.3 trucks I drove while it was in the shop.
Yeah the 5.3 I test drove definitely shifted more often, and I'm sure that only gets worse with towing, I think it's the really high torque the 2.7 has. Less need to downshift and it tows more like a diesel truck.
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 it has to be that low end torque the 2.7 has.. I also loved having the 2.7 pulling a hill on the rural interstate at 70mph lugging along and having a 5.3 6 speed beside me that I could hear downshift twice to keep up going up the grade.
I am sure that the power plant has plenty of power. Most people hear 4 cylinder and immediately associate that with anemic performance. Turbos and the associated technology are the great equalizers and small displacement engines can indeed perform as well as or even better than old school naturally aspirated V8s. I have had both the 2.7 and 3.5 Ford ecoboost motors in F150s and they were both more than adequate as far as the power was concerned. One thing to remember is that you must be hyper-vigilant with the maintenance with any boosted motor since the high internal pressures put additional stress on everything and they tend to also ingest small amounts of soot due to the EGR systems. Not much of a problem if oil is changed very regularly and high quality synthetic is used. However (as I learned on my 2012 F150 I bought used) if maintenance is deferred or even pushed out to manufacturers recommendations that soot can wear out internally lubricated parts like the timing chain system. Although it did last 180K miles I had no record of the past maintenance. Good luck with your truck it sure looks nice.
I just purchased a 2023 Chevy Silverado Custom, and the truck is growing on me. I miss my 2019 Silverado and ramble of 5.3L v8, the longer bed, and the features on that truck. Nevertheless I really like my 2023.
It won't last like an under-stressed V8. From higher internal pressures to issues with plumbing after many heat cycles, I wouldn't have one on a bet. That initial price at the dealer may look attractive but it will cost more in maintenance down the road.
Buddy has 114k on his. Pulls 7200lbs trailer most of those miles. Its 2021 2.7. It still has the same amount of power, just regular maintenance. He says he loves it. Another person I know has 80k on his pulls 7600lbs around same thing just regular oil change and thats bout it. Pulls strong. Its like a diesel gas hybrid.
I ditched the v8 in the summer of 2019 for the 2.7 Chevy RST 4x4 and have no regrets. In fact I love the engine and when its time for a trade in I will get the same unless GM comes out with a inline six version of this gasoline engine.
Seems like an awesome drivetrain! I took my new 183 mile 2023 Sierra 1500 4x4 with the 2.7 to Orlando Speedworld this past Sunday and ran a 14.59 @ 93 mph in the quarter on the one run I was able to make.
@Thomas McGhee I always crack up when someone says something like "I WOULD NEVER GET IT BECAUSE WHAT IF I WENT TO PULL AND TRAILER AND IT COULDNT PULL IT!" That just shows how delusional the world is. I grew up towing cars and scrap with an 85' f150 with an inline six putting out a WHOPPING 114 HP. Lol. It pulled fine. This has more than double the power
Impressive. For most of us who don't tow regularly or that much (9k lbs), this truck makes sense. Durability will have to be reviewed after this engine has been in the field for a couple of more years, but I anticipate it will prove to be such a durable engine. I only wish that GM had a 6-speed manual trans available still as an option on its light duty trucks.
I really miss manual transmission options! I have driven quite a few new manuals though and they don't have the same feel as the old ones. They are all dual mass flywheels now and they just don't feel like the old ones
@@freebehindbars8654 absolutely, that's one of the biggest head scratchers about this engine. GDI has been around for a while and most manufacturers have gone to dual injection, like Toyota's D4S system. This is such a new design, why didn't GM do the same?
@Build Something Stupid Evrey chevy I've had will drop half a court between changes...usually because of a rear main leak and lifter noise can be the O-Ring in the oil sump. Never had a 5.3 to drop a lifter or leave me beside the road since 1999. They are 300k mile plus engines if took care of
The pre afm engines were the best. The 4.8 was pretty bulletproof too and had enough power for most people. I’ve got a 2003 with the 4.8 and at 165 k miles, it runs great. Gets decent fuel economy for an older truck, though it’s an ext cab 2wd, probably in the 16-17 mpg range. I tow a small utility trailer with it but it makes little difference in the fuel economy.
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 any 5.3 needs AFM delete from jump street. the engine itself is great, the AFM on top of it has issues (some years worse than others)
@@gregrowe1168 I've got an 04, 4.8 litre, reg cab 4x4 and at only 65, 18 to 19 mpg isn't too bad. IF they would make a retrofit 6 speed for our older trucks we could have some gain in fuel economy.
I saw an interview with the engine lead on another youtube channel the other day. Diesel tech in this engine, diesel style 3 layer metal rod bearings, and top ring groove is steel (solid steel with cast aluminum piston formed around it). Sodium filled exhaust valves (that used to be race car stuff) and electric water pump, so you can keep flowing large amounts of coolant even if the engine is near idle after a hard pull....the engineer said turbo diesel like performance, and he is exactly right...make torque down low. I am impressed with what they have done.
So you are totally satisfied with its towing capabilities? I have been on the fence with this and have watched all the videos I could find for towing. Yours showed it the best. I won't be towing 8k+ on a regular basis but I would like to know that it will do it no problem if I need it. I'm very impressed with this setup.
100% Satisfied. The combo of massive torque plus excellent trans programming makes this the best towing 150/1500 I've ever used. The RPMs stay lower climbing mountains than anything ive ever towed with. I just towed the boat 4 hours in the mountains and dont think it ever went over 2500 rpms.
I rented a 4cyl Silverado and it screwed up my whole thinking process about a "truck". I was very impressed on power and how fuel efficient it was when cruising on the highway.
When I was looking, this loaded silverado was 2k cheaper than the cloth f150 I was planning to buy and I thought "maybe I'll go check it out before I buy the ford". I saw on the sticker it was a 2.7l and I assumed it was a v6 like the ford (cause 2.7 is huge for a 4cyl). Test drove it and thought it drives good, rated for 9600 lbs, and 2k cheaper and loaded. I'll just buy this, this will work for me and save me some money. Didn't figure out it was a 4 banger until a week later
I have owned a half dozen 5.3L's. Including a 2020 Silverado RST. I was hesitant to get my 2022 2.7L. But I will never go back to the 5.3L. It is quicker, more fuel efficient (verified, not just computer), tows great. The only downside is the sound. So I'd that if that's important to you it might not be for you.
Hey good input, wasn't even sure there was a 2.7L until now. I haven't been in the car market since 18'. May I ask what fuel efficiency your getting over the 5.3L?
@@imathreat209 Yes! So we have a cottage in northern Michigan. We travel there twice a month, every month. In my 5.3L(2020) I would average between 19 and 22 actual(Weather depending and an average speed of 75 & 78 mpg) With my 2.7L. I average between 21.5 and 24.5 actual(Again weather depending and an average speed between 75 and 78 mph). Speed varying depending on the speed limit... Again that's actual confirmed, not just computer. It drives my wife crazy me always checking it....
I love a V8 always. But there will never be an argument I won’t agree that vehicles keep getting better and stronger. I love the idea of 4 cylinders. They are simple and reliable for the most part. Why not upgrade it to work too?
Fantastic video. Idk why everyone gives this motor such a hard time. Obviously it sounds worse than a V8 but that's not the point. It's totally capable right up to its limit, as your video demonstrates. TFL just did a deep dive into the 2.7 with the chief engineer, it seems like a perfectly reliable choice, especially the 2022+ updated version with the updated 8 speed. Meets the needs for 80-90% of half-ton truck owners, and 99.9% of midsize truck owners.
I love the motor, the only things I don't like about the truck is some of the software concerning the auto climate control and the infotainment center.
Superb video of actual towing tests. I like your straight-forward approach to presenting your findings. I purchased a Silverado with the 2.7L a month ago, and don't plan to tow anything close to weighing 9,000 lbs, but it is good to know how the truck would perform. Your video shows this very well. I was told by my sales guy at Chevy, who seems to be very genuine (not a BS artist), that he was sent to Indy to experience towing tests with different engine options for the Silverado, and he was impressed by the near similar performance of the 2.7L vs. the V-8s. As it relates to some comments about the life expectancy of the 2.7L, he mentioned that he was told the 2.7L is only the 2nd engine that GM has tested that they could not yet blow up on a test stand, with 2.5M effective miles on it. Now, to what extent this is true, to what extent GM worked the engine and so forth is open to question. I'm sure to get to 2.5M miles (equivalent on a test stand) the engine had to be well serviced, oil changed etc. And maybe it was never pushed very hard, I don't know how it was really tested (proprietary to GM anyway). But being and Aero Engineer with experience designing aircraft jet engine components, I can say that it doesn't serve much purpose to put an engine on a test stand and baby it. The goal is to find what the weakest link in the chain is. So, I guess time will tell if the 2.7 is a dependable engine, I'm hoping for my sake and others it is.
A couple people in the comments have mentioned the block was designed similiar to a diesel block.. I like the sound of that! Additionally I can say you almost never see an engine "wear out" it's almost always a support system that fails that causes the engine failure. Like oil leak running the engine dry, coolant leak overheating the engine, etc. So I don't have any reservation about pulling this much power from a 4cyl.
They used a tilting test stand to make sure the 2.7 turbo didn't starve for oil and they ran it under full load with the turbo glowing red for months at a time with no problems. That's what sold me on it after watching the video.
@@robd380 thats pretty cool. Diesel strength components and some pretty hard angle testing... and coolant temp cycling which is extremely hard on engines. I'm feeling pretty good about it. I might keep this truck longterm and put a little lift and 37s on it
First I want to say, very well done video! Love the editing and your explanations right to the point. On the truck, the more I read about it and the more I hear real world accounts, I am so impressed with it. Seems like a great all-around balanced powertrain. Your highway MPG testing was awesome. As far as durability time will tell but there are some of these with upwards of 150,000 already. Plus I know people are scared of the technology but there are a ton of EcoBoost running around with several hundred plus thousand miles and those are probably even more stressed with dual turbos and more power and they seem fine. My next truck is a Sierra elevation with the 2.7 🙏
The more I see the 2.7L Chevy the moore I like it. 430 lbs of torque is massive and will definitely be enough for a daily driver, Home Depot running, weekend boat trailering. If you have a 15,000 lbs camper you need a 2500. This truck will do everything a weekend warrior would need with some to spare! Down side: I don’t trust GM small engines. Had 2.5L 2010 Equinox that drank a quart of oil every 500 miles. At 80,000 the engine was on its last leg so I traded it in. Not a good experience. Hopefully GM has learned from its mistakes. And I do not like AFM system. Why turn a four banger into a two banger? Complexity for very little gain. Nice video, thank you
This was my exact line of thinking too. I might use my 2.7L to tow a trailer for yard debris or small camper, but the power output suits me fine. And at 57, I dont care if there is a hamster on a wheel powering it, if it does the job.
Hard to say, but I do like the fact that they used all diesel internals on the engine build. The ability to get high 20s mpg unloaded and still tow almost 10k lbs is awesome for my situation
I was shocked, I had ordered a custom built V8 LT silverado but after driving the 2.7 turbo, I changed my mind and ended up getting a trail boss LT with the 2.7
430 ft-lbs of torque is massive and 2.7l is a big 4-cylinder. it amazes me how good these small turbocharged engines have become, look at the ford EcoBoost, its a monster for a v6
Every truck feels sluggish with 10k lbs behind it! I can say i am 100% happy with the towing ability. The trans shift patterns are great and with the turbo 4 all the power is real low and torquey. During normal highway driving it typically stays around 1800rpm and only drops 1 gear up hills with driving
Did you know... It'll tow a dodge mega cab diesel ,and get 12 mpg @ 60 MPH... Did it from Dexter MO. To wheatfield IN. This is the early version the big hp engine must be even better. All I can say is I'm convinced.
I have a 2006 Dodge Ram 1500 4x4 hemi and she huffs and puffs towing my 2015 Jayco 23rb travel trailer on the highway....I do live at high altitude by the way. The issue is the transmission gearing...it's to high. Also, on take off it cannot chirp the tires. I'm sure the 34' tires on 20" wheels don't help either. At first I thought GM was crazy dropping a four banger in a truck but then I remembered little tractors use four bangers.
WOW, I wonder if if this truck would tow a mini skid steer/ mini excavator. Im planning on buying one within weeks. Im torn between the double cab elevation and the double cab LT texas edition
I own a 14 ram hemi now and I can attest to your comments about it. And mine doesn't even ride that good for having coils on all 4 corners. My next truck will be GM. I like the 3.0L LZO duramax and this 2.7L is impressive. I believe this engine is the better option over the 5.3L. But I'm leaning towards the 2500 6.6L gas. Great video man good to see people doing actual towing videos with these trucks👍
@@msclecarcrzy personally if i was in the market for a new truck i’d get a used 2016+ ram with the pentastar 3.6L and supercharge it. they’re forged from the factory and can push out 500+ HP, around 700 if you do supporting mods and the 8HP70 can hold it too.
@@TheSavage3.6 let's see, the hemi blows exhaust manifold bolts and even cracks exhaust manifolds lol. Also hemis wipe cams, just like the silverado. I had a 16 ram 1500, got tired of replacing wheel bearings and at 75k miles I got the tick....next day traded it off.
I own 2022 2.7 so love it. I use as my car. Because I hate cars. I only have one problem and it is the info center. Periodically it makes my speakers sound blown. My Chevy dealership won’t do anything about it.
(JAN 2023) I've been seriously considering getting this truck. Any new updates you can share, perhaps things you may have just noticed recently that you weren't aware of, or experiencing earlier? Thanks a bunch!!
We have a 2022 Custom Trail Boss with the 2.7 turbo 430 ft lbs torque and love it. We put our golf cart in the bed and pull our 28’ toy hauler with motorcycle in it at roughly 7700 lbs no problems.
Hows the truck still doing pulling the toy hauler? Any issue's? Put down alot of towing miles? Only 1 person I know has 114k on the 2.7 pulling 7600lbs camper with just regular maintenance.
Setting durability aside, this thing (L3B) is magnificent! Having been in Tundras for years, I'm intrigued. Back to durability; I've watched the GM vids on it's design parameters and testing. I don't really trust any manufacturers today, Toyota included; but this engine is extremely significant to GM's future and they've taken it seriously. 3 years + after introduction and the 5.3 is less reliable than this 2.7 from what I've read in forums from owners.
Thus far that is what I am finding too, more reports of issues with the V8 and not this 2.7L. I have an older Silverado with a 5.3, no issues at 160K, but I never towed heavy loads with it either.
@@markswinford4546 they went for direct injection for fuel efficiency and lower emissions. Toyota and Ford added direct injection, but kept port injection, which keeps the valves cleaner. The combination of the 2 is beneficial you engine life. GM must know this. I don't get their thinking. Also, there have been major issues with the 8 speed trans. I blame government intrusion and inept management. It's a shame. GM has the best automotive engineers in the world. They should get in charge, not the "woke", green new deal executives.
@@sharkskin3448 - Big businesses are run by bean counters, for the most part. Although GM's Mary Barra is a EE, so respect given there. The problem with many businesses that make anything in the U.S. is younger people no longer have the hands-on skills they once had. They dropped industrial arts in high schools years ago, the thinking was everyone was going to be a "professional" (lawyer, doctor,...). My Dad taught shop classes in a HS in Skokie IL for 30+ years, and I inherited his hands on skills. So, many engineers right out of college go intro spreadsheet management work, task tracking... BS like that. And I know BS when I see it, I have a B.S. in Aero E. Maybe some of the hands-on skills are coming back, after the outsourcing mania has peaked, and the bean counters now realize that outsourcing everything has problems too, think container ships stuck in ports. Below is how I applied my hands-on skills, now enjoy flying. ua-cam.com/video/SUFUGBS473w/v-deo.html
I’m curious how the fuel economy is under a towing situation, with the 4 vs 8. Just thinking the 4 motor working harder than the 8? If a guy was hauling more often than maybe the 8 would be better?
Love mine. Actually believe it's better than my 2013 with 5.3 vortec. God knows fuel wise it is. It pulls my boat like nothing even leaving the ramp is effortless
I have a 2013 5.3 at the moment. I used to crap in these 4 cylinders but looking at the numbers and videos like this I think I just may get one. It does seem like it is better than a 2013 5.3 which has done everything I’ve needed it to do so why wouldn’t this do the same right?
@@williamwhite8355 I have had mine now for8 months still shocked of how it compares to my old truck. Only thing is I miss the sound of the v8. Grew up in the 70s and 80s so lot of cool v8 and sounds.
Awesome performance from this engine.Most owners would be more than happy with the 2.7.The fact that it's a 4 cylinder is hard for the traditional v8 lover to get beyond.But not me.Id buy one in an instant if purchasing a new Chevy or GMC truck.Who needs a v8 sound over performance, not me.Current ride is a 19 F150 Lariat with the 3.5 Ecoboost, love the torque
I've read and watched the video's, haven't driven one. My complaint is the MPG's aren't there. YES you don't spend 1800+ on the 5.3 but for NEXT TO no MPG improvement, why take the chance AND what NOBODY is mentioning, TRADE-IN value when that time comes. You've got DECADES of knowledge knowing what to expect with your traditional truck trade, but plowing new ground with this 4 banger.
@@brianhuffman3202 You're going by the sticker mpgs. This thing gets 28 mpg on long drives and 20 around town. so there is definitely a huge mpg increase. As far as resale goes.... It seems to me that 4 door trucks hold value forever, whereas the 2 doors dont regardless of the engine option.
I have tested the dash mpg vs actual mpg on my '23 LT 4X4 2.7T and its been about 0.5 mpg optimistic. My last truck, a '17 Sierra base 5.3 was usually 2 full mpg optimistic. Also, not towing, but on my 16 minute commute with 25% 30mph roads and 75% 65-70mph interstate driving, I get better mpg using the trailering mode...like 2mpg better.
I’m thinking about buying one kinda skeptical about the engine I tow for long periods of time around 3000 pounds but I like the performance and gas mileage.
For the next gen Silverado's, they should just pair it with the 10 speed, all of the other Silverado engine options are paired with 10 speed if im not mistaken
I can’t imagine any of these 10 speed transmissions making it past 100k miles. I honestly think that’s the benchmark for reliability for new trucks now, last just long enough to be paid off and throw it away and buy another.
@Build Something Stupid I like the color matched bumpers and grille, and LED taillights from the factory on the RST trim. My use does not require the v8.
What kind of MPG are you getting with the 4 popper. I'm very interested in the new breed of 4 cylinder turbo's as tow vehicles. Wondering how the engine's with the turbo's will hold up. I"m assuming they do require premium gas?
Regular gas, and gas mileage about 25 on long trips at 70-75 mph. You can get 28mpg if your speed is between 50-60. Around town very short trips is about 17mpg. My overall gas mileage (if you read the trip meter for 10,000 miles) is 20mpg. Which includes 20-30 minutes idling per day and towing a couple times a week. To put that in perspective, my 5.7Hemi with multidisplacement was about 16 mpg overall. So about 20% gas savings
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 Do you have any sort of estimate on the gas mileage towing a smallish popup camper around 2,000 lbs on long highway trips? Thanks !! Nice Channel !!
Who ever buys one of these is a brave soul. V6 engines have come a long way but I’m still weary of them but a 4 cylinder is crazy to me. In sure it’ll be mostly trouble free during the warranty period but out of that who knows.
Do the Silverado Trim's that offer the 2.7L Turbo not have a Tow/Haul mode? If they do, I wonder if that would change the transmission timing from what was seen in your test
It does have tow mode I just don't use it because I'm not into engine braking unless I'm actually going down a long mountain grade. I wouod rather use my brake pads than use my engine and trans
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 You are better off using the tow haul mode when towing. It is better for your whole drivetrain. At minimum it gives increased hydraulic pressure on the clutch plates as well as locking the torque converter in lower hears to reduce heat and wear, it also keeps the engine more in it's peak torque rpm range.
@Dodi Anderson since writing that comment I did finally remember to put it in tow haul mode and it didn't drive me nuts like they usually do. Every other truck I've had has made very big jerky downshifts... this truck downshift like butter and I don't even notice the downshift till I look at the RPMs and see them over 3000
I don't see why it would fail sooner than any other engine, all the internals are diesel metallurgy from the pistons to the crank. I think of you took a regular motor and slapped a turbo on you have a point.
I own a 2021 Silverado and I am very impressed with the 2.7 turbo. I travel from Houston to Dallas and back every weekend and it only uses 3/4 of a tank of gas. I was doubting the power and towing capabilities but it has held up to what it says it can do. This was a good video to show some of the power.
This is why a lot of people like their ecoboost f150s. These smaller turbocharged gas engines tow WAY better than people would expect. That low-end torque is addictive.
@@scarletboa funny thing about the ecoboost engines are they are selling because they perform well and not for the intended reason of improved fuel economy. Even the 2.7 is a powerhouse and seems more reliable than the 3.5. But have to be driven conservatively to get decent fuel economy.
@@gregrowe1168 I have a 2019 3.5 f150. Driven lightly, I can get 21-22mpg out of it. It can also tow 10k lbs better than my previous 7.3 poweratroke or 5.9 cummins. The diesels were down to 50-55mph on steep grades while the f150 holds 70mph with reserve power. The way I see it, if you don't have to tow over 10k, an ecoboost f150 gives all the towing satisfaction of a diesel truck without the emissions-related headaches.
How many miles do you have on it so far? I just bought a 2023 with the 2.7L HO. Love it so far! I hope it is as reliable as my last truck (Ford 3.7L NA)
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 90 degrees when most folks pull an RV, and some 4 or 5 mile grades are the ultimate test/abuse, no ? Lastly what your test lacked was the wind resistance of pulling a huge box down the interstate, there IS A DIFFERENCE.
Have you had any issues with a hard shift on the first shift from 1-2 in cold weather? Or some clunky downshifts? The engine seeems to be great for me but the 8 speed seems like a hunk of junk
The reason there's discrepancies in the fuel mileage on the cluster vs on paper is due to the truck's measuring system not being able to measure every cubic inch of fuel in the tank
I'm a Ford guy. I drive a 2018 crew cab STX 4x4 with the second generation 2.7L ecoboost. I won't go back to an N/A V8 powered truck. V8's leave to much efficiency on the table. If I were to buy a Chevy truck, I would have no problem with the 2.7L turbo 4 as long as I could get it with the 10 speed transmission. Trucks and turbos go together like peanut butter and jelly. Can you get 4 cylinder Silverado with the ten speed transmission?
I don't think so I think it's only the 8 speed... but I can also say it's hands down the smoothest and least hunting trans I've ever had. I was just coming out of the mountains yesterday and put on tow haul mode so it used engine braking... didn't even feel it downshift I just happened to look down and I was at 3500 rpm
What size Mahindra tractor are you pulling ? Is that the 2638 ? Looking to buy that same set up and pull with my diesel 1 ton dump truck but also want to be able to pull it with my 2.7 liter trail boss. Any information would be great. Thanks
I bought one of the last regular can BBC short bed with this 2.7 . I will be taking a long trip this week. Look forward to the mileage it gets at 80 mph freeway speeds.
Well I have never driven it with a scanner attached, but coolant and trans temp stay exactly the same at all time once fully warmed up. Any hot day towing or not towing the trans eventually reaches 195-205. If you are unloaded it takes like an hour to get to that temp when loaded its only about 20 minutes
Breaking news my friend, those v8 does not make it to 200k miles anymore. The 5.3 and 6.2 had a lot of troubles. I think in fact, the 4 cylinder is their most reliable truck engine since it came out.
Question for you sir, do you mind checking your transmission operating temperature under normal driving conditions, not towing? I have 2022 GMC Sierra 1500 with the same engine and running at 192 highway and 199 town winter time and around 199 highway and 205ish town summer time, it’s a bit high temperature for transmission in my opinion, as I can only compare it to Ram Ecodiesel I used to have where that truck ran at 165ish transmission operating temperature, called the GMC dealer they said it’s normal numbers that I’m getting, they alleged that the 2022 models been programmed to have thermostat closed til it’s hotter fluid temperature to yield smooth shifting and shifting is definitely smooth on mine but just the fact that it’s higher end of what I’m used to seeing, is what makes me worried about longevity. Thanks!
I checked this out also. And it is normal as GM wants the fluid as hot and thin as possible for better fuel economy. If it was mine I would change the transmission fluid regularly. Most of GM transmissions you can do a pan dump of around 6 qt. Doing this every couple of years will go a long way to keeping the fluid clean and fresh.
@Rob M I agree with this, but also would point out almost all vehicles run 190-205 degrees nowadays so it's not an abnormal temp. Abnormal vs 20 years ago but they all do the higher temp now for efficiency
I did another video that is a 20 mile loop on the HWY it of course includes a few stoplights and turning around 2.7 turbo va the 5.3 v8. Or do you mean get up to hwy speed and reset the Trip and see exclusively the best case scenario MPG?
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 my old commute was 51 miles with 99% of it highway at 70mph. I would just reset the mpg gauge and go off what the truck said. Which many argue is not accurate, but I didn’t care. I was just curious the difference between both trucks using that method. It was accurate enough for my preferences. But I’d love to get both to highway speed 65-70 mph and then reset the mpg gauge and see what they say.
Thanks for the video. I'm picking up my 23 Silver tomorrow! You made me have some peace buying the 2.7..
Thank you!
nothing will ever sound like a V8 but with the technology now days is great I am all about the towing as I am in a 5.7 tundra
Thank you for your real world tow testing, very impressive. Brother tows with 2011 Silverado 5.3 camper approx. 6k loaded. Does ok on reasonable level ground but requires very high rpm on grades yielding 8 -10 mpg (Ca Sierra Nevada Mtn). Great to see new options for most who only tow part time.
The ability of the turbo to give that low end power is amazing. It has very little need to downshift which saves a lot of trans wear. I would bet the 4cyl would hold speed at 3k rpm no problem with 6k lbs.
I have a 22 sierra elevation with this motor and so far it's been great 👍
Very well done video. Exactly what I was looking for.
Hardest part is getting used to the sound of a four-cylinder in your truck ! Lol but I love mine
exactly
That was another thing that tripped me out. It sounds like a civic 🤣😂, I will definitely consider purchasing one.
My brother has the 22 and he had the same comment lol, he ended up putting a cold air intake and exhaust to give it a deeper sound.
@Checo818 it sounds weird when towing up a hill, kind of tractorish
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 That's what I thought, seems like even just idling with the hood open it kinda has a clackity diesel sound. I'm just basing that from videos so far, but I ordered a Colorado ZR2 with this engine and I'm excited to feel 430 pounds of torque in the midsize package.
I am super excited that this engine is in the 2023 colorado. Going to be a phenomenal midsize truck for towing
I also have a Silverado with a 4.8L. I tow a 3600 lb. travel trailer with it. These four bangers show promise. I just hope it has longevity.
That's close to the boat weight I accidentally spun the tires with
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 That's crazy! But I like it.
I bought a 2016 F165 new in 2016. It now has 89,000 miles with both stock turbos. I towed a 96 4x4 Tahoe 5,300 lbs. on a Uhaul trailer 2,000 lbs. it only has 375 lbs-ft torque @ 3,000 rpm. I didn’t have any problems going up hills.
I’ve always been a V8 guy but my V8 Silverado with a 6.0 is a dog towing our boat up any kind of grade. Also the fact is averages about 11 mpg not towing anything just sucks. The mpg while towing? I don’t even want to know.
The technology in this 4 cyl is downright impressive. I would consider getting this Silverado with the 4 cyl. Your truck didn’t even break 4000 rpm merging onto the freeway. Insane!
Those older 6.0s are dogs, I had a 2001 and got the same 11 MPG. This thing tows way better and gets 29 on long trips, 22 with my normal driving around town + highways, 17 mpg while towing open single axle trailers, 12 mpg while towing 10k lbs.
@jpete3027666 We have a 2015 4 door 4x4 6.0 dually with 4.10 gears. gets 11 mpg all day.
Pulling our 10k 35' TT it gets 6 mpg and it HATES hills it basically Sucks lol
I used to have a 2013 Ram 1500 and pulled a huge 30 ft boat with it. It rode good unloaded but like you said, it would squat all the way down until I added airbags. Ram is comfy for daily driving but trucks need leaf springs for weight handling. I now have a Silverado 5.3L but my friend just got a 2.7L Silverado and I'm anxious to drive it and see how it compares.
100% agree Ilove my ram uinless I was towing
great video.. the 2.7 turbo made me a believer. I do not miss my GMC Sierra 1500 Denali 6.2 thirsty V8 for this little turbo version. I have not looked back. no issues towing my 23 ft pontoon and tandem trailer to/from the lake which it about an hour away on super hilly roads. Truck is a beast and a keeper.
How is it going a year later?
Wow I'm impressed.. thank you for sharing that video...I'm getting ready to get one this week..
This turbo is amazing! It’s powerful and it will do everything you need in a 1.5 ton! The Custom is king. Chevy got it right,
Just bought a 2023 trail boss z71 2.7L turbo LT, 1100 miles now, still not broke in yet, this is my work truck, I am supper impressed with this motor, I am a V8 man old school, I am caring about 3800 lbs in the back of this truck, it has dropped about 2" but cannot tell there is anything back there, this is just like and they designed it this way to be just like a diesel engine, so much torque in this engine, my 6.0 and my 5.3 don`t even compare to this, it's early but I am very very pleased, not going to mention any MPG yet just because the vehicle is to new at this time, thanks and good luck.
I like mine, 17k so far
Lmao 😂
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 what are you at nowadays? also what gas mileage do you get when not towing vs when you are towing?
I'm digging the tech GM invested in this 4 bang. This isn't a fail, fly by night engine. It's got incredible future, just like the 3.0 duramax. The R&D team over there is hitting on all cylinders. GM continues to impress. A creative person might have to tinker with this boxo de quatro 🧐🤔 and try pushing for 500hp/750 ft-lbs. I'm actually pretty certain with some bolt on parts, water cooled aftercooler, tunes, etc it could achieve that with stock internals. Very cool engine that says Honda from the outside, and Sherman Tank from the inside. The 3.0 duramax is another incredible engine worth tinkering with. I'd be thrilled to have the 2.7 or 3.0 diesel in place of a typical truck veggie juice.
from what my friend who owns one of these trucks is saying, there aren't any tunes yet because the ECM is locked/encrypted by GM. Hopefully someone can crack it because I'm sure it has a lot of potential.
I just got a 2023 Chevy Silverado 1500 custum and it tows pretty good. Really good video though keep up the hard work
Thanks
I bought one in August and I'm impressed everyday with it!.....
Love the video!!! If I compare the other trucks V8 and V6 the I got before. And very surprised with my 21 Silverado 2.7 and I love it. Pull my 5,800 camper easily and my trailer with the big lawnmowers for all summer and no problem so far. Very happy and good fuel economy... 💪🏽👍🏽
How is it pulling in hills and wind...bad conditions in general? Looking at this truck right now.
I am all for small displacement turbo charged engines. I haven't driven one of these yet but I absolutely loved the 3.5 Ecoboost I used to have.
This doesn't feel as fast as the 3.5 but still plenty of power. It does however feel stronger in the 1300-2000 rpm range as i can tow very well without downshifting
The way you talked about trading in and losing money made me serious about your test vid. Truly amazing video mate
I just got this truck I agree with everything you said ill update this when I get through my first tank of gas I’m at like 230 miles now and still have half a tank
I have a 2023 Chevrolet Silverado LT 4 cyl Turbo with towing package. I changed out the factory air filter for a K&N factory type air filter, just after I picked it up. The best mileage that I have gotten so far with this setup is 32.7 mpg. I have towed several large loads. Works great.
Awesome!
Wow that is great, would you have the. K&N factory type air filter part number#
This is nonsense. Lol seriously. Zero owners are getting anywhere close to that, downhill.
@freebehindbars8654 he probably is resetting the mpg counter after he is up to speed on the highway. The truck has a built in feature for recording "best mpg" and it will ONLY count a complete trip from start up to shut down and a minimum of 25 miles. My personal best is 29.2 mpg on a long highway trip on a 55mph highway
My 2020 5.3 silverado gear hunts terribly only loaded to about 5k lbs. Before I had a 2019 silverado 2.7 I had bought new. My only complaints were the new body style glitches it had. It got great mileage, and it made the same power as the 5.3 trucks I drove while it was in the shop.
Yeah the 5.3 I test drove definitely shifted more often, and I'm sure that only gets worse with towing, I think it's the really high torque the 2.7 has. Less need to downshift and it tows more like a diesel truck.
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 it has to be that low end torque the 2.7 has.. I also loved having the 2.7 pulling a hill on the rural interstate at 70mph lugging along and having a 5.3 6 speed beside me that I could hear downshift twice to keep up going up the grade.
I am sure that the power plant has plenty of power. Most people hear 4 cylinder and immediately associate that with anemic performance. Turbos and the associated technology are the great equalizers and small displacement engines can indeed perform as well as or even better than old school naturally aspirated V8s. I have had both the 2.7 and 3.5 Ford ecoboost motors in F150s and they were both more than adequate as far as the power was concerned. One thing to remember is that you must be hyper-vigilant with the maintenance with any boosted motor since the high internal pressures put additional stress on everything and they tend to also ingest small amounts of soot due to the EGR systems. Not much of a problem if oil is changed very regularly and high quality synthetic is used. However (as I learned on my 2012 F150 I bought used) if maintenance is deferred or even pushed out to manufacturers recommendations that soot can wear out internally lubricated parts like the timing chain system. Although it did last 180K miles I had no record of the past maintenance. Good luck with your truck it sure looks nice.
Well said. All my trucks growing up were from the 80s. And although i miss the simplicity, these newer turbos out power them all.
I just purchased a 2023 Chevy Silverado Custom, and the truck is growing on me. I miss my 2019 Silverado and ramble of 5.3L v8, the longer bed, and the features on that truck. Nevertheless I really like my 2023.
I do miss the sounds
These new vehicle performance tests are nice and all however I would like to see how this engine endures after years of towing vs a V8.
Me too
It won't last like an under-stressed V8. From higher internal pressures to issues with plumbing after
many heat cycles, I wouldn't have one on a bet. That initial price at the dealer may look attractive but
it will cost more in maintenance down the road.
@@Bangkok-ik1fpMileage durability is what worries me also.
Anyone buying this isn’t doing towing regularly or shouldn’t be at least, I’d guess this is for the occasional towing
Buddy has 114k on his. Pulls 7200lbs trailer most of those miles. Its 2021 2.7. It still has the same amount of power, just regular maintenance. He says he loves it. Another person I know has 80k on his pulls 7600lbs around same thing just regular oil change and thats bout it. Pulls strong. Its like a diesel gas hybrid.
I ditched the v8 in the summer of 2019 for the 2.7 Chevy RST 4x4 and have no regrets. In fact I love the engine and when its time for a trade in I will get the same unless GM comes out with a inline six version of this gasoline engine.
Seems like an awesome drivetrain! I took my new 183 mile 2023 Sierra 1500 4x4 with the 2.7 to Orlando Speedworld this past Sunday and ran a 14.59 @ 93 mph in the quarter on the one run I was able to make.
That's about what stock 5.0 mustangs ran in the 80/90s
Just think if you did a cold air intake a exhaust cut out and a tuner.
@@offgridliving4128 don't tempt me! Pull up sounding like the fast and the furious
Crazy right? How far we’ve come and folks still criticize this engine
@Thomas McGhee I always crack up when someone says something like "I WOULD NEVER GET IT BECAUSE WHAT IF I WENT TO PULL AND TRAILER AND IT COULDNT PULL IT!" That just shows how delusional the world is. I grew up towing cars and scrap with an 85' f150 with an inline six putting out a WHOPPING 114 HP. Lol. It pulled fine. This has more than double the power
Impressive. For most of us who don't tow regularly or that much (9k lbs), this truck makes sense. Durability will have to be reviewed after this engine has been in the field for a couple of more years, but I anticipate it will prove to be such a durable engine. I only wish that GM had a 6-speed manual trans available still as an option on its light duty trucks.
I really miss manual transmission options! I have driven quite a few new manuals though and they don't have the same feel as the old ones. They are all dual mass flywheels now and they just don't feel like the old ones
Carbon buildup on this design has been an issue, at lower power outputs. Idea like to see those valves.
@@freebehindbars8654 absolutely, that's one of the biggest head scratchers about this engine. GDI has been around for a while and most manufacturers have gone to dual injection, like Toyota's D4S system. This is such a new design, why didn't GM do the same?
What a great video!! I’m convinced!!
Thanks man
Nothing beats the longevity of the 5.3
Don't they have lifter and oil consumption problems
@Build Something Stupid Evrey chevy I've had will drop half a court between changes...usually because of a rear main leak and lifter noise can be the O-Ring in the oil sump. Never had a 5.3 to drop a lifter or leave me beside the road since 1999. They are 300k mile plus engines if took care of
The pre afm engines were the best. The 4.8 was pretty bulletproof too and had enough power for most people. I’ve got a 2003 with the 4.8 and at 165 k miles, it runs great. Gets decent fuel economy for an older truck, though it’s an ext cab 2wd, probably in the 16-17 mpg range. I tow a small utility trailer with it but it makes little difference in the fuel economy.
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 any 5.3 needs AFM delete from jump street. the engine itself is great, the AFM on top of it has issues (some years worse than others)
@@gregrowe1168 I've got an 04, 4.8 litre, reg cab 4x4 and at only 65, 18 to 19 mpg isn't too bad. IF they would make a retrofit 6 speed for our older trucks we could have some gain in fuel economy.
I saw an interview with the engine lead on another youtube channel the other day. Diesel tech in this engine, diesel style 3 layer metal rod bearings, and top ring groove is steel (solid steel with cast aluminum piston formed around it). Sodium filled exhaust valves (that used to be race car stuff) and electric water pump, so you can keep flowing large amounts of coolant even if the engine is near idle after a hard pull....the engineer said turbo diesel like performance, and he is exactly right...make torque down low. I am impressed with what they have done.
I like it, just towed at max capacity again today and as always was impressed
Pulls strong and hard that's for sure!
Impressive! I'm planning on buying the GMC Canyon with the same engine, hopefully it will be all the power I need.
Can't imagine needing more power in a midsized truck. If I keep my truck long enough it will end up with 40s and a regear (they all do)
So you are totally satisfied with its towing capabilities? I have been on the fence with this and have watched all the videos I could find for towing. Yours showed it the best. I won't be towing 8k+ on a regular basis but I would like to know that it will do it no problem if I need it. I'm very impressed with this setup.
100% Satisfied. The combo of massive torque plus excellent trans programming makes this the best towing 150/1500 I've ever used. The RPMs stay lower climbing mountains than anything ive ever towed with. I just towed the boat 4 hours in the mountains and dont think it ever went over 2500 rpms.
I rented a 4cyl Silverado and it screwed up my whole thinking process about a "truck". I was very impressed on power and how fuel efficient it was when cruising on the highway.
When I was looking, this loaded silverado was 2k cheaper than the cloth f150 I was planning to buy and I thought "maybe I'll go check it out before I buy the ford". I saw on the sticker it was a 2.7l and I assumed it was a v6 like the ford (cause 2.7 is huge for a 4cyl). Test drove it and thought it drives good, rated for 9600 lbs, and 2k cheaper and loaded. I'll just buy this, this will work for me and save me some money. Didn't figure out it was a 4 banger until a week later
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 🤣😂 it's trippy
I have owned a half dozen 5.3L's. Including a 2020 Silverado RST. I was hesitant to get my 2022 2.7L. But I will never go back to the 5.3L. It is quicker, more fuel efficient (verified, not just computer), tows great. The only downside is the sound. So I'd that if that's important to you it might not be for you.
Yeah it is really weird to start a truck and have it sound like a car
Hey good input, wasn't even sure there was a 2.7L until now. I haven't been in the car market since 18'. May I ask what fuel efficiency your getting over the 5.3L?
@@imathreat209 ua-cam.com/video/L37gHDnxRl4/v-deo.html
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 thanks
@@imathreat209 Yes! So we have a cottage in northern Michigan. We travel there twice a month, every month. In my 5.3L(2020) I would average between 19 and 22 actual(Weather depending and an average speed of 75 & 78 mpg) With my 2.7L. I average between 21.5 and 24.5 actual(Again weather depending and an average speed between 75 and 78 mph). Speed varying depending on the speed limit... Again that's actual confirmed, not just computer. It drives my wife crazy me always checking it....
I love a V8 always. But there will never be an argument I won’t agree that vehicles keep getting better and stronger. I love the idea of 4 cylinders. They are simple and reliable for the most part. Why not upgrade it to work too?
V8 noise is definitely better
Fantastic video. Idk why everyone gives this motor such a hard time. Obviously it sounds worse than a V8 but that's not the point. It's totally capable right up to its limit, as your video demonstrates. TFL just did a deep dive into the 2.7 with the chief engineer, it seems like a perfectly reliable choice, especially the 2022+ updated version with the updated 8 speed. Meets the needs for 80-90% of half-ton truck owners, and 99.9% of midsize truck owners.
I love the motor, the only things I don't like about the truck is some of the software concerning the auto climate control and the infotainment center.
Superb video of actual towing tests. I like your straight-forward approach to presenting your findings. I purchased a Silverado with the 2.7L a month ago, and don't plan to tow anything close to weighing 9,000 lbs, but it is good to know how the truck would perform. Your video shows this very well.
I was told by my sales guy at Chevy, who seems to be very genuine (not a BS artist), that he was sent to Indy to experience towing tests with different engine options for the Silverado, and he was impressed by the near similar performance of the 2.7L vs. the V-8s. As it relates to some comments about the life expectancy of the 2.7L, he mentioned that he was told the 2.7L is only the 2nd engine that GM has tested that they could not yet blow up on a test stand, with 2.5M effective miles on it. Now, to what extent this is true, to what extent GM worked the engine and so forth is open to question. I'm sure to get to 2.5M miles (equivalent on a test stand) the engine had to be well serviced, oil changed etc. And maybe it was never pushed very hard, I don't know how it was really tested (proprietary to GM anyway). But being and Aero Engineer with experience designing aircraft jet engine components, I can say that it doesn't serve much purpose to put an engine on a test stand and baby it. The goal is to find what the weakest link in the chain is. So, I guess time will tell if the 2.7 is a dependable engine, I'm hoping for my sake and others it is.
A couple people in the comments have mentioned the block was designed similiar to a diesel block.. I like the sound of that! Additionally I can say you almost never see an engine "wear out" it's almost always a support system that fails that causes the engine failure. Like oil leak running the engine dry, coolant leak overheating the engine, etc. So I don't have any reservation about pulling this much power from a 4cyl.
They used a tilting test stand to make sure the 2.7 turbo didn't starve for oil and they ran it under full load with the turbo glowing red for months at a time with no problems. That's what sold me on it after watching the video.
@@robd380 that's cool, how can I find this video
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 ua-cam.com/video/4XUu-XHPAo8/v-deo.html The test stand scene starts at 7:25
@@robd380 thats pretty cool. Diesel strength components and some pretty hard angle testing... and coolant temp cycling which is extremely hard on engines. I'm feeling pretty good about it. I might keep this truck longterm and put a little lift and 37s on it
Looking at getting a Colorado with this engine for towing a 5000 lb travel trailer. Sounds like a diesel. Thanks for sharing.
Yeah it'll tow it great, and best of all get great mileage when you aren't towing
First I want to say, very well done video! Love the editing and your explanations right to the point.
On the truck, the more I read about it and the more I hear real world accounts, I am so impressed with it. Seems like a great all-around balanced powertrain. Your highway MPG testing was awesome.
As far as durability time will tell but there are some of these with upwards of 150,000 already. Plus I know people are scared of the technology but there are a ton of EcoBoost running around with several hundred plus thousand miles and those are probably even more stressed with dual turbos and more power and they seem fine.
My next truck is a Sierra elevation with the 2.7 🙏
Thanks for the comment!
The more I see the 2.7L Chevy the moore I like it. 430 lbs of torque is massive and will definitely be enough for a daily driver, Home Depot running, weekend boat trailering. If you have a 15,000 lbs camper you need a 2500. This truck will do everything a weekend warrior would need with some to spare! Down side: I don’t trust GM small engines. Had 2.5L 2010 Equinox that drank a quart of oil every 500 miles. At 80,000 the engine was on its last leg so I traded it in. Not a good experience. Hopefully GM has learned from its mistakes. And I do not like AFM system. Why turn a four banger into a two banger? Complexity for very little gain. Nice video, thank you
Exactly
This was my exact line of thinking too. I might use my 2.7L to tow a trailer for yard debris or small camper, but the power output suits me fine. And at 57, I dont care if there is a hamster on a wheel powering it, if it does the job.
@Mark Swinford in this case a VERY muscular hamster haha
Only time will tell with these 2.7s
Yep pretty awesome tech tho
They've been out since 2019. I've heard of no major issues. Less issues than their V8 siblings.
Awesome video! The only other thing I’d like to see is towing from 70-75 mph. Can it do that without screaming at a high rpm? Thanks again.
Great video. I wonder what the lifespan of these engines will be.
Hard to say, but I do like the fact that they used all diesel internals on the engine build. The ability to get high 20s mpg unloaded and still tow almost 10k lbs is awesome for my situation
I was shocked, I had ordered a custom built V8 LT silverado but after driving the 2.7 turbo, I changed my mind and ended up getting a trail boss LT with the 2.7
Yeah I have no complaints its been great so far. 22k miles
430 ft-lbs of torque is massive and 2.7l is a big 4-cylinder. it amazes me how good these small turbocharged engines have become, look at the ford EcoBoost, its a monster for a v6
The 3.5l ecoboost is ridiculously quick with a trailer on the back. I had a 17 ecoboost
Pos fords
Finally! A video I wanted to see. But my question is did the truck feel sluggish with all that weight?
Every truck feels sluggish with 10k lbs behind it! I can say i am 100% happy with the towing ability. The trans shift patterns are great and with the turbo 4 all the power is real low and torquey. During normal highway driving it typically stays around 1800rpm and only drops 1 gear up hills with driving
Good to see they changed ... Gonna give it a try.
The big 4 cylinder?
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 the big 4cyl
Did you know... It'll tow a dodge mega cab diesel ,and get 12 mpg @ 60 MPH... Did it from Dexter MO. To wheatfield IN. This is the early version the big hp engine must be even better. All I can say is I'm convinced.
Nice
I have a 2006 Dodge Ram 1500 4x4 hemi and she huffs and puffs towing my 2015 Jayco 23rb travel trailer on the highway....I do live at high altitude by the way. The issue is the transmission gearing...it's to high. Also, on take off it cannot chirp the tires. I'm sure the 34' tires on 20" wheels don't help either.
At first I thought GM was crazy dropping a four banger in a truck but then I remembered little tractors use four bangers.
Yeah most things are geared for as much fuel economy as possible. Not a fan of that aspect
Once you get it tuned you'll like it even more.
How much HP you get?
The 3.0l duramax is the best for towing and fuel efficiency
WOW, I wonder if if this truck would tow a mini skid steer/ mini excavator. Im planning on buying one within weeks. Im torn between the double cab elevation and the double cab LT texas edition
If you can tow it with a 10k trailer id say its fine for that.
I own a 14 ram hemi now and I can attest to your comments about it. And mine doesn't even ride that good for having coils on all 4 corners. My next truck will be GM. I like the 3.0L LZO duramax and this 2.7L is impressive. I believe this engine is the better option over the 5.3L. But I'm leaning towards the 2500 6.6L gas. Great video man good to see people doing actual towing videos with these trucks👍
Gotta love 250/2500s
why would you downgrade to a gm
@@TheSavage3.6 What would you recommend?
@@msclecarcrzy personally if i was in the market for a new truck i’d get a used 2016+ ram with the pentastar 3.6L and supercharge it. they’re forged from the factory and can push out 500+ HP, around 700 if you do supporting mods and the 8HP70 can hold it too.
@@TheSavage3.6 let's see, the hemi blows exhaust manifold bolts and even cracks exhaust manifolds lol. Also hemis wipe cams, just like the silverado. I had a 16 ram 1500, got tired of replacing wheel bearings and at 75k miles I got the tick....next day traded it off.
I own 2022 2.7 so love it. I use as my car. Because I hate cars. I only have one problem and it is the info center. Periodically it makes my speakers sound blown. My Chevy dealership won’t do anything about it.
I really like my new 2023 2.7
(JAN 2023) I've been seriously considering getting this truck. Any new updates you can share, perhaps things you may have just noticed recently that you weren't aware of, or experiencing earlier? Thanks a bunch!!
11k miles now, everything still works great. My only dislikes are more personal taste and design flaws with the interior (thats an opinion of course)
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 Awesome, thanks for your feedback!!
We have a 2022 Custom Trail Boss with the 2.7 turbo 430 ft lbs torque and love it. We put our golf cart in the bed and pull our 28’ toy hauler with motorcycle in it at roughly 7700 lbs no problems.
Nice
Hows the truck still doing pulling the toy hauler? Any issue's? Put down alot of towing miles? Only 1 person I know has 114k on the 2.7 pulling 7600lbs camper with just regular maintenance.
Well we have no where near that many miles but still pulls great and no issues!
The Out start is a pain in the but!
That's my only complaint! Like the gas mileage.
I am in the market!
Did you get max towing package or is it just the normal trailering
Setting durability aside, this thing (L3B) is magnificent! Having been in Tundras for years, I'm intrigued. Back to durability; I've watched the GM vids on it's design parameters and testing. I don't really trust any manufacturers today, Toyota included; but this engine is extremely significant to GM's future and they've taken it seriously. 3 years + after introduction and the 5.3 is less reliable than this 2.7 from what I've read in forums from owners.
Thus far that is what I am finding too, more reports of issues with the V8 and not this 2.7L. I have an older Silverado with a 5.3, no issues at 160K, but I never towed heavy loads with it either.
@@markswinford4546 5.3 Vortec was more durable than the 5.3 Ecotech.
@@sharkskin3448 - GM probably went through a cost cutting effort to cheapen the Ecotech out, and paid for it with poor reliability.
@@markswinford4546 they went for direct injection for fuel efficiency and lower emissions. Toyota and Ford added direct injection, but kept port injection, which keeps the valves cleaner. The combination of the 2 is beneficial you engine life. GM must know this. I don't get their thinking. Also, there have been major issues with the 8 speed trans. I blame government intrusion and inept management. It's a shame. GM has the best automotive engineers in the world. They should get in charge, not the "woke", green new deal executives.
@@sharkskin3448 - Big businesses are run by bean counters, for the most part. Although GM's Mary Barra is a EE, so respect given there. The problem with many businesses that make anything in the U.S. is younger people no longer have the hands-on skills they once had. They dropped industrial arts in high schools years ago, the thinking was everyone was going to be a "professional" (lawyer, doctor,...). My Dad taught shop classes in a HS in Skokie IL for 30+ years, and I inherited his hands on skills. So, many engineers right out of college go intro spreadsheet management work, task tracking... BS like that. And I know BS when I see it, I have a B.S. in Aero E. Maybe some of the hands-on skills are coming back, after the outsourcing mania has peaked, and the bean counters now realize that outsourcing everything has problems too, think container ships stuck in ports.
Below is how I applied my hands-on skills, now enjoy flying.
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I have a lawn care business and i am looking at getting one of these
Tow good when you got your mower and good gas mileage when u dont
@@buildsomethingstupid1736Chevy says it will be the standardd engine.
I’m curious how the fuel economy is under a towing situation, with the 4 vs 8. Just thinking the 4 motor working harder than the 8? If a guy was hauling more often than maybe the 8 would be better?
Turbos generally use more fuel when under boost. I get 12-13 when towing the 9200lbs. And 16-17 when towing a single axle trailer.
What could an ecu tune do for this vehicle?or an exhaust or CAI ?
Love mine. Actually believe it's better than my 2013 with 5.3 vortec. God knows fuel wise it is. It pulls my boat like nothing even leaving the ramp is effortless
I have a 2013 5.3 at the moment. I used to crap in these 4 cylinders but looking at the numbers and videos like this I think I just may get one. It does seem like it is better than a 2013 5.3 which has done everything I’ve needed it to do so why wouldn’t this do the same right?
@@williamwhite8355 I have had mine now for8 months still shocked of how it compares to my old truck. Only thing is I miss the sound of the v8. Grew up in the 70s and 80s so lot of cool v8 and sounds.
Great video, I've been saying for a while now these 2.7s are overbuilt and should last.
Hopefully so
Awesome performance from this engine.Most owners would be more than happy with the 2.7.The fact that it's a 4 cylinder is hard for the traditional v8 lover to get beyond.But not me.Id buy one in an instant if purchasing a new Chevy or GMC truck.Who needs a v8 sound over performance, not me.Current ride is a 19 F150 Lariat with the 3.5 Ecoboost, love the torque
The 3.5s are amazing
I've read and watched the video's, haven't driven one. My complaint is the MPG's aren't there. YES you don't spend 1800+ on the 5.3 but for NEXT TO no MPG improvement, why take the chance AND what NOBODY is mentioning, TRADE-IN value when that time comes. You've got DECADES of knowledge knowing what to expect with your traditional truck trade, but plowing new ground with this 4 banger.
@@brianhuffman3202 You're going by the sticker mpgs. This thing gets 28 mpg on long drives and 20 around town. so there is definitely a huge mpg increase. As far as resale goes.... It seems to me that 4 door trucks hold value forever, whereas the 2 doors dont regardless of the engine option.
I have tested the dash mpg vs actual mpg on my '23 LT 4X4 2.7T and its been about 0.5 mpg optimistic.
My last truck, a '17 Sierra base 5.3 was usually 2 full mpg optimistic.
Also, not towing, but on my 16 minute commute with 25% 30mph roads and 75% 65-70mph interstate driving, I get better mpg using the trailering mode...like 2mpg better.
I’m thinking about buying one kinda skeptical about the engine I tow for long periods of time around 3000 pounds but I like the performance and gas mileage.
3000lbs the truck wont even know its there besides the gas mileage drop
For the next gen Silverado's, they should just pair it with the 10 speed, all of the other Silverado engine options are paired with 10 speed if im not mistaken
Honestly I wouldn't touch the trans, it really shifts/tows great. I'd be afraid a 10 speed would be a gear hunter
I can’t imagine any of these 10 speed transmissions making it past 100k miles. I honestly think that’s the benchmark for reliability for new trucks now, last just long enough to be paid off and throw it away and buy another.
Great video...
was the bouncing from the road or the load and suspension? Nice video
Thats a heavy load for any 1/2 ton truck so its going to bounce around probably just as bad on an F150 and maybe worse with the Ram.
I just think it is unfortunate that you can’t get the RST trim with the 4 cyl like pre-refresh models. I am very happy with my 2020 4 cyl RST.
True I kinda like the 21's front end better. But the 22" extra torque is nice
@Build Something Stupid I like the color matched bumpers and grille, and LED taillights from the factory on the RST trim. My use does not require the v8.
I had one on order and the dealer called me back 5 months later telling me i can't have it in the rst anymore... I was really pissed off.
What kind of MPG are you getting with the 4 popper. I'm very interested in the new breed of 4 cylinder turbo's as tow vehicles. Wondering how the engine's with the turbo's will hold up. I"m assuming they do require premium gas?
Regular gas, and gas mileage about 25 on long trips at 70-75 mph. You can get 28mpg if your speed is between 50-60. Around town very short trips is about 17mpg. My overall gas mileage (if you read the trip meter for 10,000 miles) is 20mpg. Which includes 20-30 minutes idling per day and towing a couple times a week. To put that in perspective, my 5.7Hemi with multidisplacement was about 16 mpg overall. So about 20% gas savings
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 Do you have any sort of estimate on the gas mileage towing a smallish popup camper around 2,000 lbs on long highway trips? Thanks !! Nice Channel !!
@GoldenK9Campers if it's a low profile pop-up camper that only weoghs 2000 pounds I'd think 22-23mpg
Who ever buys one of these is a brave soul. V6 engines have come a long way but I’m still weary of them but a 4 cylinder is crazy to me. In sure it’ll be mostly trouble free during the warranty period but out of that who knows.
Do the Silverado Trim's that offer the 2.7L Turbo not have a Tow/Haul mode? If they do, I wonder if that would change the transmission timing from what was seen in your test
It does have tow mode I just don't use it because I'm not into engine braking unless I'm actually going down a long mountain grade. I wouod rather use my brake pads than use my engine and trans
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 You are better off using the tow haul mode when towing. It is better for your whole drivetrain. At minimum it gives increased hydraulic pressure on the clutch plates as well as locking the torque converter in lower hears to reduce heat and wear, it also keeps the engine more in it's peak torque rpm range.
@Dodi Anderson since writing that comment I did finally remember to put it in tow haul mode and it didn't drive me nuts like they usually do. Every other truck I've had has made very big jerky downshifts... this truck downshift like butter and I don't even notice the downshift till I look at the RPMs and see them over 3000
can you adjust the trailer brakes? does the truck have a integrated brake controller? Trim level?
Mines an LT and yes has a built in controller and yes its adjustable
Yes it will do it but if towing a lot light or a little heavy how long before it shits the bed?
I don't see why it would fail sooner than any other engine, all the internals are diesel metallurgy from the pistons to the crank. I think of you took a regular motor and slapped a turbo on you have a point.
Would love to see the transmission temp during the trip
It doesn't budge at all, exactly the same as normal driving
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 Thanks!
What trim did you get guy?
Chevrolet Silverado 2.7 T is great I bought two of them
I own a 2021 Silverado and I am very impressed with the 2.7 turbo. I travel from Houston to Dallas and back every weekend and it only uses 3/4 of a tank of gas. I was doubting the power and towing capabilities but it has held up to what it says it can do. This was a good video to show some of the power.
Thanks for the feedback!
This is why a lot of people like their ecoboost f150s. These smaller turbocharged gas engines tow WAY better than people would expect. That low-end torque is addictive.
@@scarletboa funny thing about the ecoboost engines are they are selling because they perform well and not for the intended reason of improved fuel economy. Even the 2.7 is a powerhouse and seems more reliable than the 3.5. But have to be driven conservatively to get decent fuel economy.
@@gregrowe1168 I have a 2019 3.5 f150.
Driven lightly, I can get 21-22mpg out of it. It can also tow 10k lbs better than my previous 7.3 poweratroke or 5.9 cummins. The diesels were down to 50-55mph on steep grades while the f150 holds 70mph with reserve power.
The way I see it, if you don't have to tow over 10k, an ecoboost f150 gives all the towing satisfaction of a diesel truck without the emissions-related headaches.
How many miles do you have on it so far? I just bought a 2023 with the 2.7L HO. Love it so far! I hope it is as reliable as my last truck (Ford 3.7L NA)
Do some mountain trips with a rv and see if the water boils
Why would the coolant boil
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 90 degrees when most folks pull an RV, and some 4 or 5 mile grades are the ultimate test/abuse, no ? Lastly what your test lacked was the wind resistance of pulling a huge box down the interstate, there IS A DIFFERENCE.
Have you had any issues with a hard shift on the first shift from 1-2 in cold weather? Or some clunky downshifts? The engine seeems to be great for me but the 8 speed seems like a hunk of junk
Nope not at all. Is yours a 21? I heard they fixed something for 22(which this one is)
The reason there's discrepancies in the fuel mileage on the cluster vs on paper is due to the truck's measuring system not being able to measure every cubic inch of fuel in the tank
Actually the fuel consumption is measured by the computer via fuel pressure and injector pulse length. The DTE is estimated by the fuel tank sensor.
Do you have the truck in tow haul mode?? It didn’t look like it, which I’m even more impressed with
I'm a Ford guy. I drive a 2018 crew cab STX 4x4 with the second generation 2.7L ecoboost. I won't go back to an N/A V8 powered truck. V8's leave to much efficiency on the table. If I were to buy a Chevy truck, I would have no problem with the 2.7L turbo 4 as long as I could get it with the 10 speed transmission. Trucks and turbos go together like peanut butter and jelly.
Can you get 4 cylinder Silverado with the ten speed transmission?
I don't think so I think it's only the 8 speed... but I can also say it's hands down the smoothest and least hunting trans I've ever had. I was just coming out of the mountains yesterday and put on tow haul mode so it used engine braking... didn't even feel it downshift I just happened to look down and I was at 3500 rpm
What size Mahindra tractor are you pulling ? Is that the 2638 ? Looking to buy that same set up and pull with my diesel 1 ton dump truck but also want to be able to pull it with my 2.7 liter trail boss. Any information would be great. Thanks
Yep it's a 2020 mahindra 2638
I bought one of the last regular can BBC short bed with this 2.7 . I will be taking a long trip this week. Look forward to the mileage it gets at 80 mph freeway speeds.
I got 25 overall on my long trip
negligible, you're still pushing a brick thru the air
@@Bangkok-ik1fp I got 19 mpg going all freeway at 80 mph. Really about +2 mpg is all the better I got than my 5.7 hemi. It needs a turbo boost gauge.
Curious about EGTs/turbo temp towing in traffic and hills not just highway
Well I have never driven it with a scanner attached, but coolant and trans temp stay exactly the same at all time once fully warmed up. Any hot day towing or not towing the trans eventually reaches 195-205. If you are unloaded it takes like an hour to get to that temp when loaded its only about 20 minutes
Love mine
Nice video.. though it makes you wonder if these 4 cylinders will get 200k + miles like the V8s.
Any motor can get 200k miles or 2k miles, just depends on how much you fix them
Breaking news my friend, those v8 does not make it to 200k miles anymore.
The 5.3 and 6.2 had a lot of troubles. I think in fact, the 4 cylinder is their most reliable truck engine since it came out.
@@ProbeGT2 as in Ford Probe GT? I had one when I was a teenager
GM has yet to prove to me they can make a 4 cylinder that will last. Anyone remember the Chevy Cruz, that didn’t last long.
Question for you sir, do you mind checking your transmission operating temperature under normal
driving conditions, not towing? I have 2022 GMC Sierra 1500 with the same engine and running at 192 highway and 199 town winter time and around 199 highway and 205ish town summer time, it’s a bit high temperature for transmission in my opinion, as I can only compare it to Ram Ecodiesel I used to have where that truck ran at 165ish transmission operating temperature, called the GMC dealer they said it’s normal numbers that I’m getting, they alleged that the 2022 models been programmed to have thermostat closed til it’s hotter fluid temperature to yield smooth shifting and shifting is definitely smooth on mine but just the fact that it’s higher end of what I’m used to seeing, is what makes me worried about longevity. Thanks!
I have the same temps, generally ranges from 192 to 205. Same temp when towing too, it doesn't go up
I checked this out also. And it is normal as GM wants the fluid as hot and thin as possible for better fuel economy. If it was mine I would change the transmission fluid regularly. Most of GM transmissions you can do a pan dump of around 6 qt. Doing this every couple of years will go a long way to keeping the fluid clean and fresh.
@Rob M I agree with this, but also would point out almost all vehicles run 190-205 degrees nowadays so it's not an abnormal temp. Abnormal vs 20 years ago but they all do the higher temp now for efficiency
I’d love to see a highway mpg run. 100% highway. My 2013 5.3 with 3.42 rear end would get 17 on the highway. Would like to compare it
I did another video that is a 20 mile loop on the HWY it of course includes a few stoplights and turning around 2.7 turbo va the 5.3 v8. Or do you mean get up to hwy speed and reset the Trip and see exclusively the best case scenario MPG?
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 my old commute was 51 miles with 99% of it highway at 70mph. I would just reset the mpg gauge and go off what the truck said. Which many argue is not accurate, but I didn’t care. I was just curious the difference between both trucks using that method. It was accurate enough for my preferences. But I’d love to get both to highway speed 65-70 mph and then reset the mpg gauge and see what they say.
Hey, do u notice any oil burn between oil changes? some people are reporting about a quart low after 5k of driving. THANKS
zero drop and I check because the intervals are so long. typically at about 4k miles i check and then again right before i drop off for oil change
What do you think Lance? "It's an amazing machine..."😳
That’s all I need when I get ready to purchase a truck that’s what I want.
What kind of mileage did you get pulling 9200 lbs