I have a 2023 Chevrolet Silverado LT 4 cyl Turbo with towing package. I changed out the factory air filter for a K&N factory type air filter, just after I picked it up. The best mileage that I have gotten so far with this setup is 32.7 mpg. I have towed several large loads. Works great.
@freebehindbars8654 he probably is resetting the mpg counter after he is up to speed on the highway. The truck has a built in feature for recording "best mpg" and it will ONLY count a complete trip from start up to shut down and a minimum of 25 miles. My personal best is 29.2 mpg on a long highway trip on a 55mph highway
Just bought a 2023 trail boss z71 2.7L turbo LT, 1100 miles now, still not broke in yet, this is my work truck, I am supper impressed with this motor, I am a V8 man old school, I am caring about 3800 lbs in the back of this truck, it has dropped about 2" but cannot tell there is anything back there, this is just like and they designed it this way to be just like a diesel engine, so much torque in this engine, my 6.0 and my 5.3 don`t even compare to this, it's early but I am very very pleased, not going to mention any MPG yet just because the vehicle is to new at this time, thanks and good luck.
@@majalt491I have a 2024 Silverado 1500 4X4 2.7L Turbo 28,000 miles. Not towing 20-23 MPG and towing with my camper 5050lbs 10-12 MPG average depending on terrain. I’ve been far west coast to far east coast, Midwest to south Texas and Florida. As they said it will “Sh*t it and get it!” I love it!
great video.. the 2.7 turbo made me a believer. I do not miss my GMC Sierra 1500 Denali 6.2 thirsty V8 for this little turbo version. I have not looked back. no issues towing my 23 ft pontoon and tandem trailer to/from the lake which it about an hour away on super hilly roads. Truck is a beast and a keeper.
Never again for me! Just traded my 2024 2.7L for a 2024 5.3L. Only put 6000 miles on the 2.7L! Rattling noises started at 1500 miles - getting louder and louder. Finally took it in for the first service at 6000 miles and the dealer ended up replacing the turbo. Definitely better, but didn’t completely eliminate the noise. The dealer was at a complete loss on how to proceed, so after 2 weeks in the shop I traded it for a brand new 2024 5.3L. Night and day better. Way more responsive and that proper V8 growl. I didn’t realize how bad the turbo lag was on the 2.7L, until I took the 5.3L for a test drive. Needless to say, that 2.7L was promptly traded the same day. Not sure if they ever figured out the issue with that 2.7L.
I ditched the v8 in the summer of 2019 for the 2.7 Chevy RST 4x4 and have no regrets. In fact I love the engine and when its time for a trade in I will get the same unless GM comes out with a inline six version of this gasoline engine.
Buddy has 114k on his. Pulls 7200lbs trailer most of those miles. Its 2021 2.7. It still has the same amount of power, just regular maintenance. He says he loves it. Another person I know has 80k on his pulls 7600lbs around same thing just regular oil change and thats bout it. Pulls strong. Its like a diesel gas hybrid.
I’ve always been a V8 guy but my V8 Silverado with a 6.0 is a dog towing our boat up any kind of grade. Also the fact is averages about 11 mpg not towing anything just sucks. The mpg while towing? I don’t even want to know. The technology in this 4 cyl is downright impressive. I would consider getting this Silverado with the 4 cyl. Your truck didn’t even break 4000 rpm merging onto the freeway. Insane!
Those older 6.0s are dogs, I had a 2001 and got the same 11 MPG. This thing tows way better and gets 29 on long trips, 22 with my normal driving around town + highways, 17 mpg while towing open single axle trailers, 12 mpg while towing 10k lbs.
@jpete3027666 We have a 2015 4 door 4x4 6.0 dually with 4.10 gears. gets 11 mpg all day. Pulling our 10k 35' TT it gets 6 mpg and it HATES hills it basically Sucks lol
Well folks I would have not believed unless I test drove one, and bought one. I have a 2024 gmc with the 2.7 and I absolutely love it. All I ask is drive one b4 ya belittle it.
@buildsomethingstupid1736 did you follow the trailer break-in per the manual? Curious because I have a'24 with the turbomax and want to get towing our 5,000lb airstream.
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 That's what I thought, seems like even just idling with the hood open it kinda has a clackity diesel sound. I'm just basing that from videos so far, but I ordered a Colorado ZR2 with this engine and I'm excited to feel 430 pounds of torque in the midsize package.
I rented a 4cyl Silverado and it screwed up my whole thinking process about a "truck". I was very impressed on power and how fuel efficient it was when cruising on the highway.
When I was looking, this loaded silverado was 2k cheaper than the cloth f150 I was planning to buy and I thought "maybe I'll go check it out before I buy the ford". I saw on the sticker it was a 2.7l and I assumed it was a v6 like the ford (cause 2.7 is huge for a 4cyl). Test drove it and thought it drives good, rated for 9600 lbs, and 2k cheaper and loaded. I'll just buy this, this will work for me and save me some money. Didn't figure out it was a 4 banger until a week later
My 2020 5.3 silverado gear hunts terribly only loaded to about 5k lbs. Before I had a 2019 silverado 2.7 I had bought new. My only complaints were the new body style glitches it had. It got great mileage, and it made the same power as the 5.3 trucks I drove while it was in the shop.
Yeah the 5.3 I test drove definitely shifted more often, and I'm sure that only gets worse with towing, I think it's the really high torque the 2.7 has. Less need to downshift and it tows more like a diesel truck.
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 it has to be that low end torque the 2.7 has.. I also loved having the 2.7 pulling a hill on the rural interstate at 70mph lugging along and having a 5.3 6 speed beside me that I could hear downshift twice to keep up going up the grade.
This doesn't feel as fast as the 3.5 but still plenty of power. It does however feel stronger in the 1300-2000 rpm range as i can tow very well without downshifting
Impressive. For most of us who don't tow regularly or that much (9k lbs), this truck makes sense. Durability will have to be reviewed after this engine has been in the field for a couple of more years, but I anticipate it will prove to be such a durable engine. I only wish that GM had a 6-speed manual trans available still as an option on its light duty trucks.
I really miss manual transmission options! I have driven quite a few new manuals though and they don't have the same feel as the old ones. They are all dual mass flywheels now and they just don't feel like the old ones
@@freebehindbars8654 absolutely, that's one of the biggest head scratchers about this engine. GDI has been around for a while and most manufacturers have gone to dual injection, like Toyota's D4S system. This is such a new design, why didn't GM do the same?
I have owned a half dozen 5.3L's. Including a 2020 Silverado RST. I was hesitant to get my 2022 2.7L. But I will never go back to the 5.3L. It is quicker, more fuel efficient (verified, not just computer), tows great. The only downside is the sound. So I'd that if that's important to you it might not be for you.
@Steven Echelberger Yes! So we have a cottage in northern Michigan. We travel there twice a month, every month. In my 5.3L(2020) I would average between 19 and 22 actual(Weather depending and an average speed of 75 & 78 mpg) With my 2.7L. I average between 21.5 and 24.5 actual(Again weather depending and an average speed between 75 and 78 mph). Speed varying depending on the speed limit... Again that's actual confirmed, not just computer. It drives my wife crazy me always checking it....
@@dm-lombo1647 Your variance of +2.5 mpg seems in line with GM mpg rating for 5.3 19 mpg & 2.7 22 mpg (two wheel drive). The 2.7 may be my next pickup for light towing.
Thank you for your real world tow testing, very impressive. Brother tows with 2011 Silverado 5.3 camper approx. 6k loaded. Does ok on reasonable level ground but requires very high rpm on grades yielding 8 -10 mpg (Ca Sierra Nevada Mtn). Great to see new options for most who only tow part time.
The ability of the turbo to give that low end power is amazing. It has very little need to downshift which saves a lot of trans wear. I would bet the 4cyl would hold speed at 3k rpm no problem with 6k lbs.
Love the video!!! If I compare the other trucks V8 and V6 the I got before. And very surprised with my 21 Silverado 2.7 and I love it. Pull my 5,800 camper easily and my trailer with the big lawnmowers for all summer and no problem so far. Very happy and good fuel economy... 💪🏽👍🏽
I used to have a 2013 Ram 1500 and pulled a huge 30 ft boat with it. It rode good unloaded but like you said, it would squat all the way down until I added airbags. Ram is comfy for daily driving but trucks need leaf springs for weight handling. I now have a Silverado 5.3L but my friend just got a 2.7L Silverado and I'm anxious to drive it and see how it compares.
I saw an interview with the engine lead on another youtube channel the other day. Diesel tech in this engine, diesel style 3 layer metal rod bearings, and top ring groove is steel (solid steel with cast aluminum piston formed around it). Sodium filled exhaust valves (that used to be race car stuff) and electric water pump, so you can keep flowing large amounts of coolant even if the engine is near idle after a hard pull....the engineer said turbo diesel like performance, and he is exactly right...make torque down low. I am impressed with what they have done.
430 ft-lbs of torque is massive and 2.7l is a big 4-cylinder. it amazes me how good these small turbocharged engines have become, look at the ford EcoBoost, its a monster for a v6
Superb video of actual towing tests. I like your straight-forward approach to presenting your findings. I purchased a Silverado with the 2.7L a month ago, and don't plan to tow anything close to weighing 9,000 lbs, but it is good to know how the truck would perform. Your video shows this very well. I was told by my sales guy at Chevy, who seems to be very genuine (not a BS artist), that he was sent to Indy to experience towing tests with different engine options for the Silverado, and he was impressed by the near similar performance of the 2.7L vs. the V-8s. As it relates to some comments about the life expectancy of the 2.7L, he mentioned that he was told the 2.7L is only the 2nd engine that GM has tested that they could not yet blow up on a test stand, with 2.5M effective miles on it. Now, to what extent this is true, to what extent GM worked the engine and so forth is open to question. I'm sure to get to 2.5M miles (equivalent on a test stand) the engine had to be well serviced, oil changed etc. And maybe it was never pushed very hard, I don't know how it was really tested (proprietary to GM anyway). But being and Aero Engineer with experience designing aircraft jet engine components, I can say that it doesn't serve much purpose to put an engine on a test stand and baby it. The goal is to find what the weakest link in the chain is. So, I guess time will tell if the 2.7 is a dependable engine, I'm hoping for my sake and others it is.
A couple people in the comments have mentioned the block was designed similiar to a diesel block.. I like the sound of that! Additionally I can say you almost never see an engine "wear out" it's almost always a support system that fails that causes the engine failure. Like oil leak running the engine dry, coolant leak overheating the engine, etc. So I don't have any reservation about pulling this much power from a 4cyl.
They used a tilting test stand to make sure the 2.7 turbo didn't starve for oil and they ran it under full load with the turbo glowing red for months at a time with no problems. That's what sold me on it after watching the video.
@@robd380 thats pretty cool. Diesel strength components and some pretty hard angle testing... and coolant temp cycling which is extremely hard on engines. I'm feeling pretty good about it. I might keep this truck longterm and put a little lift and 37s on it
I am sure that the power plant has plenty of power. Most people hear 4 cylinder and immediately associate that with anemic performance. Turbos and the associated technology are the great equalizers and small displacement engines can indeed perform as well as or even better than old school naturally aspirated V8s. I have had both the 2.7 and 3.5 Ford ecoboost motors in F150s and they were both more than adequate as far as the power was concerned. One thing to remember is that you must be hyper-vigilant with the maintenance with any boosted motor since the high internal pressures put additional stress on everything and they tend to also ingest small amounts of soot due to the EGR systems. Not much of a problem if oil is changed very regularly and high quality synthetic is used. However (as I learned on my 2012 F150 I bought used) if maintenance is deferred or even pushed out to manufacturers recommendations that soot can wear out internally lubricated parts like the timing chain system. Although it did last 180K miles I had no record of the past maintenance. Good luck with your truck it sure looks nice.
I own 2022 2.7 so love it. I use as my car. Because I hate cars. I only have one problem and it is the info center. Periodically it makes my speakers sound blown. My Chevy dealership won’t do anything about it.
I'm digging the tech GM invested in this 4 bang. This isn't a fail, fly by night engine. It's got incredible future, just like the 3.0 duramax. The R&D team over there is hitting on all cylinders. GM continues to impress. A creative person might have to tinker with this boxo de quatro 🧐🤔 and try pushing for 500hp/750 ft-lbs. I'm actually pretty certain with some bolt on parts, water cooled aftercooler, tunes, etc it could achieve that with stock internals. Very cool engine that says Honda from the outside, and Sherman Tank from the inside. The 3.0 duramax is another incredible engine worth tinkering with. I'd be thrilled to have the 2.7 or 3.0 diesel in place of a typical truck veggie juice.
from what my friend who owns one of these trucks is saying, there aren't any tunes yet because the ECM is locked/encrypted by GM. Hopefully someone can crack it because I'm sure it has a lot of potential.
2022 GMC Sierra, elevation package (so no HD suspension in the rear), currently 42k miles, regularly tows a large trailer, campers, sxs, dump trailer. Anywhere from 3000 lbs to allegedly over 11,565. She pulls. Had an EGR solenoid blow up, but that's all
I was shocked, I had ordered a custom built V8 LT silverado but after driving the 2.7 turbo, I changed my mind and ended up getting a trail boss LT with the 2.7
I just purchased a 2023 Chevy Silverado Custom, and the truck is growing on me. I miss my 2019 Silverado and ramble of 5.3L v8, the longer bed, and the features on that truck. Nevertheless I really like my 2023.
I bought a 2016 F165 new in 2016. It now has 89,000 miles with both stock turbos. I towed a 96 4x4 Tahoe 5,300 lbs. on a Uhaul trailer 2,000 lbs. it only has 375 lbs-ft torque @ 3,000 rpm. I didn’t have any problems going up hills.
I just got this truck I agree with everything you said ill update this when I get through my first tank of gas I’m at like 230 miles now and still have half a tank
The more I see the 2.7L Chevy the moore I like it. 430 lbs of torque is massive and will definitely be enough for a daily driver, Home Depot running, weekend boat trailering. If you have a 15,000 lbs camper you need a 2500. This truck will do everything a weekend warrior would need with some to spare! Down side: I don’t trust GM small engines. Had 2.5L 2010 Equinox that drank a quart of oil every 500 miles. At 80,000 the engine was on its last leg so I traded it in. Not a good experience. Hopefully GM has learned from its mistakes. And I do not like AFM system. Why turn a four banger into a two banger? Complexity for very little gain. Nice video, thank you
This was my exact line of thinking too. I might use my 2.7L to tow a trailer for yard debris or small camper, but the power output suits me fine. And at 57, I dont care if there is a hamster on a wheel powering it, if it does the job.
First I want to say, very well done video! Love the editing and your explanations right to the point. On the truck, the more I read about it and the more I hear real world accounts, I am so impressed with it. Seems like a great all-around balanced powertrain. Your highway MPG testing was awesome. As far as durability time will tell but there are some of these with upwards of 150,000 already. Plus I know people are scared of the technology but there are a ton of EcoBoost running around with several hundred plus thousand miles and those are probably even more stressed with dual turbos and more power and they seem fine. My next truck is a Sierra elevation with the 2.7 🙏
Fantastic video. Idk why everyone gives this motor such a hard time. Obviously it sounds worse than a V8 but that's not the point. It's totally capable right up to its limit, as your video demonstrates. TFL just did a deep dive into the 2.7 with the chief engineer, it seems like a perfectly reliable choice, especially the 2022+ updated version with the updated 8 speed. Meets the needs for 80-90% of half-ton truck owners, and 99.9% of midsize truck owners.
I love the motor, the only things I don't like about the truck is some of the software concerning the auto climate control and the infotainment center.
We have a 2022 Custom Trail Boss with the 2.7 turbo 430 ft lbs torque and love it. We put our golf cart in the bed and pull our 28’ toy hauler with motorcycle in it at roughly 7700 lbs no problems.
Hows the truck still doing pulling the toy hauler? Any issue's? Put down alot of towing miles? Only 1 person I know has 114k on the 2.7 pulling 7600lbs camper with just regular maintenance.
Hard to say, but I do like the fact that they used all diesel internals on the engine build. The ability to get high 20s mpg unloaded and still tow almost 10k lbs is awesome for my situation
I love a V8 always. But there will never be an argument I won’t agree that vehicles keep getting better and stronger. I love the idea of 4 cylinders. They are simple and reliable for the most part. Why not upgrade it to work too?
Setting durability aside, this thing (L3B) is magnificent! Having been in Tundras for years, I'm intrigued. Back to durability; I've watched the GM vids on it's design parameters and testing. I don't really trust any manufacturers today, Toyota included; but this engine is extremely significant to GM's future and they've taken it seriously. 3 years + after introduction and the 5.3 is less reliable than this 2.7 from what I've read in forums from owners.
Thus far that is what I am finding too, more reports of issues with the V8 and not this 2.7L. I have an older Silverado with a 5.3, no issues at 160K, but I never towed heavy loads with it either.
@@markswinford4546 they went for direct injection for fuel efficiency and lower emissions. Toyota and Ford added direct injection, but kept port injection, which keeps the valves cleaner. The combination of the 2 is beneficial you engine life. GM must know this. I don't get their thinking. Also, there have been major issues with the 8 speed trans. I blame government intrusion and inept management. It's a shame. GM has the best automotive engineers in the world. They should get in charge, not the "woke", green new deal executives.
@@sharkskin3448 - Big businesses are run by bean counters, for the most part. Although GM's Mary Barra is a EE, so respect given there. The problem with many businesses that make anything in the U.S. is younger people no longer have the hands-on skills they once had. They dropped industrial arts in high schools years ago, the thinking was everyone was going to be a "professional" (lawyer, doctor,...). My Dad taught shop classes in a HS in Skokie IL for 30+ years, and I inherited his hands on skills. So, many engineers right out of college go intro spreadsheet management work, task tracking... BS like that. And I know BS when I see it, I have a B.S. in Aero E. Maybe some of the hands-on skills are coming back, after the outsourcing mania has peaked, and the bean counters now realize that outsourcing everything has problems too, think container ships stuck in ports. Below is how I applied my hands-on skills, now enjoy flying. ua-cam.com/video/SUFUGBS473w/v-deo.html
Love mine. Actually believe it's better than my 2013 with 5.3 vortec. God knows fuel wise it is. It pulls my boat like nothing even leaving the ramp is effortless
I have a 2013 5.3 at the moment. I used to crap in these 4 cylinders but looking at the numbers and videos like this I think I just may get one. It does seem like it is better than a 2013 5.3 which has done everything I’ve needed it to do so why wouldn’t this do the same right?
@@williamwhite8355 I have had mine now for8 months still shocked of how it compares to my old truck. Only thing is I miss the sound of the v8. Grew up in the 70s and 80s so lot of cool v8 and sounds.
(JAN 2023) I've been seriously considering getting this truck. Any new updates you can share, perhaps things you may have just noticed recently that you weren't aware of, or experiencing earlier? Thanks a bunch!!
I drive different vehicles for work. Gasoline wise this engine is extremely impressive compared to some V8s. I would recommend it if you want a daily. I know there are questions about towing. Time will tell! But, with GM going from 60,000 mile powertrain to 100,000 mile powertrain on this engine, they seem pretty confident in it.
Did you know... It'll tow a dodge mega cab diesel ,and get 12 mpg @ 60 MPH... Did it from Dexter MO. To wheatfield IN. This is the early version the big hp engine must be even better. All I can say is I'm convinced.
I own a 2021 Silverado and I am very impressed with the 2.7 turbo. I travel from Houston to Dallas and back every weekend and it only uses 3/4 of a tank of gas. I was doubting the power and towing capabilities but it has held up to what it says it can do. This was a good video to show some of the power.
This is why a lot of people like their ecoboost f150s. These smaller turbocharged gas engines tow WAY better than people would expect. That low-end torque is addictive.
@@Brandon_Nelson92 funny thing about the ecoboost engines are they are selling because they perform well and not for the intended reason of improved fuel economy. Even the 2.7 is a powerhouse and seems more reliable than the 3.5. But have to be driven conservatively to get decent fuel economy.
@@gregrowe1168 I have a 2019 3.5 f150. Driven lightly, I can get 21-22mpg out of it. It can also tow 10k lbs better than my previous 7.3 poweratroke or 5.9 cummins. The diesels were down to 50-55mph on steep grades while the f150 holds 70mph with reserve power. The way I see it, if you don't have to tow over 10k, an ecoboost f150 gives all the towing satisfaction of a diesel truck without the emissions-related headaches.
How many miles do you have on it so far? I just bought a 2023 with the 2.7L HO. Love it so far! I hope it is as reliable as my last truck (Ford 3.7L NA)
I’m thinking about buying one kinda skeptical about the engine I tow for long periods of time around 3000 pounds but I like the performance and gas mileage.
For the next gen Silverado's, they should just pair it with the 10 speed, all of the other Silverado engine options are paired with 10 speed if im not mistaken
I can’t imagine any of these 10 speed transmissions making it past 100k miles. I honestly think that’s the benchmark for reliability for new trucks now, last just long enough to be paid off and throw it away and buy another.
Breaking news my friend, those v8 does not make it to 200k miles anymore. The 5.3 and 6.2 had a lot of troubles. I think in fact, the 4 cylinder is their most reliable truck engine since it came out.
So you are totally satisfied with its towing capabilities? I have been on the fence with this and have watched all the videos I could find for towing. Yours showed it the best. I won't be towing 8k+ on a regular basis but I would like to know that it will do it no problem if I need it. I'm very impressed with this setup.
100% Satisfied. The combo of massive torque plus excellent trans programming makes this the best towing 150/1500 I've ever used. The RPMs stay lower climbing mountains than anything ive ever towed with. I just towed the boat 4 hours in the mountains and dont think it ever went over 2500 rpms.
The reason there's discrepancies in the fuel mileage on the cluster vs on paper is due to the truck's measuring system not being able to measure every cubic inch of fuel in the tank
I have tested the dash mpg vs actual mpg on my '23 LT 4X4 2.7T and its been about 0.5 mpg optimistic. My last truck, a '17 Sierra base 5.3 was usually 2 full mpg optimistic. Also, not towing, but on my 16 minute commute with 25% 30mph roads and 75% 65-70mph interstate driving, I get better mpg using the trailering mode...like 2mpg better.
WOW, I wonder if if this truck would tow a mini skid steer/ mini excavator. Im planning on buying one within weeks. Im torn between the double cab elevation and the double cab LT texas edition
How was the reliability of the engine and transmission? I’m William intrigued by this truck, but I am a diehard Toyota truck fan concerned about GM poor quality reputation. Thanks for the great video.
I just bought a used 19 with a 2.7. Has 58k miles on it, power seems good. Haven't pulled my 2 ATVs on my trailer yet. I did notice your MPG is horrible towing. The 2.7 isn't really a proven motor yet (long term) I feel a 6.0 or 5.3 is better for towing. Also, the 2.7 isn't that much better on MPGs to really make it a viable option...just my 2 cents.
The towing mileage is because I was only on back roads and accelerating multiple times for the video. I get 11-12 while towing max capacity and 18-19 while towing single axle trailers. So not that bad, but yes NA engines get better mpg under load
Who ever buys one of these is a brave soul. V6 engines have come a long way but I’m still weary of them but a 4 cylinder is crazy to me. In sure it’ll be mostly trouble free during the warranty period but out of that who knows.
Awesome performance from this engine.Most owners would be more than happy with the 2.7.The fact that it's a 4 cylinder is hard for the traditional v8 lover to get beyond.But not me.Id buy one in an instant if purchasing a new Chevy or GMC truck.Who needs a v8 sound over performance, not me.Current ride is a 19 F150 Lariat with the 3.5 Ecoboost, love the torque
I've read and watched the video's, haven't driven one. My complaint is the MPG's aren't there. YES you don't spend 1800+ on the 5.3 but for NEXT TO no MPG improvement, why take the chance AND what NOBODY is mentioning, TRADE-IN value when that time comes. You've got DECADES of knowledge knowing what to expect with your traditional truck trade, but plowing new ground with this 4 banger.
@@brianhuffman3202 You're going by the sticker mpgs. This thing gets 28 mpg on long drives and 20 around town. so there is definitely a huge mpg increase. As far as resale goes.... It seems to me that 4 door trucks hold value forever, whereas the 2 doors dont regardless of the engine option.
I’m curious how the fuel economy is under a towing situation, with the 4 vs 8. Just thinking the 4 motor working harder than the 8? If a guy was hauling more often than maybe the 8 would be better?
@Build Something Stupid I like the color matched bumpers and grille, and LED taillights from the factory on the RST trim. My use does not require the v8.
I own a 14 ram hemi now and I can attest to your comments about it. And mine doesn't even ride that good for having coils on all 4 corners. My next truck will be GM. I like the 3.0L LZO duramax and this 2.7L is impressive. I believe this engine is the better option over the 5.3L. But I'm leaning towards the 2500 6.6L gas. Great video man good to see people doing actual towing videos with these trucks👍
@@msclecarcrzy personally if i was in the market for a new truck i’d get a used 2016+ ram with the pentastar 3.6L and supercharge it. they’re forged from the factory and can push out 500+ HP, around 700 if you do supporting mods and the 8HP70 can hold it too.
@@TheSavage3.6 let's see, the hemi blows exhaust manifold bolts and even cracks exhaust manifolds lol. Also hemis wipe cams, just like the silverado. I had a 16 ram 1500, got tired of replacing wheel bearings and at 75k miles I got the tick....next day traded it off.
Every truck feels sluggish with 10k lbs behind it! I can say i am 100% happy with the towing ability. The trans shift patterns are great and with the turbo 4 all the power is real low and torquey. During normal highway driving it typically stays around 1800rpm and only drops 1 gear up hills with driving
My 2022 Silverado Trail boss with the turbo 4 pulls a 8000lb boat the same or maybe better than my last 2020 Silverado High country 6.2, at 65 mph the turbo 4 never down shifts it just creates more boost. I have 38,700 miles on it and must say that my next truck will have the same engine.
I think the V8 will just work less putting out the same force. Like a short basketball player vs a taller one, he can play but has to work much harder.
My biggest concern with any of the GM engines including the 4 cylinder engine in the Silverado is that AFM. I mean the engine can drop all the way to one cylinder. That’s a lot of pressure on that engine.
I just think that little engine is more stressed and has to work a lot harder to move all that. Way too complicated. Great concept but long-term reliability would be my biggest concern with this engine especially is you're towing like this a lot
I agree 100% It makes me not want to buy any of them. It is a huge issue on any of those engines. My brother had his entire valvletrain replaced on his 2019 Tahoe with un 8000 miles on the vehicle... Unreal
I'm a Ford guy. I drive a 2018 crew cab STX 4x4 with the second generation 2.7L ecoboost. I won't go back to an N/A V8 powered truck. V8's leave to much efficiency on the table. If I were to buy a Chevy truck, I would have no problem with the 2.7L turbo 4 as long as I could get it with the 10 speed transmission. Trucks and turbos go together like peanut butter and jelly. Can you get 4 cylinder Silverado with the ten speed transmission?
I don't think so I think it's only the 8 speed... but I can also say it's hands down the smoothest and least hunting trans I've ever had. I was just coming out of the mountains yesterday and put on tow haul mode so it used engine braking... didn't even feel it downshift I just happened to look down and I was at 3500 rpm
Well I have never driven it with a scanner attached, but coolant and trans temp stay exactly the same at all time once fully warmed up. Any hot day towing or not towing the trans eventually reaches 195-205. If you are unloaded it takes like an hour to get to that temp when loaded its only about 20 minutes
Have you had any issues with a hard shift on the first shift from 1-2 in cold weather? Or some clunky downshifts? The engine seeems to be great for me but the 8 speed seems like a hunk of junk
Do the Silverado Trim's that offer the 2.7L Turbo not have a Tow/Haul mode? If they do, I wonder if that would change the transmission timing from what was seen in your test
It does have tow mode I just don't use it because I'm not into engine braking unless I'm actually going down a long mountain grade. I wouod rather use my brake pads than use my engine and trans
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 You are better off using the tow haul mode when towing. It is better for your whole drivetrain. At minimum it gives increased hydraulic pressure on the clutch plates as well as locking the torque converter in lower hears to reduce heat and wear, it also keeps the engine more in it's peak torque rpm range.
@Dodi Anderson since writing that comment I did finally remember to put it in tow haul mode and it didn't drive me nuts like they usually do. Every other truck I've had has made very big jerky downshifts... this truck downshift like butter and I don't even notice the downshift till I look at the RPMs and see them over 3000
I bought one of the last regular can BBC short bed with this 2.7 . I will be taking a long trip this week. Look forward to the mileage it gets at 80 mph freeway speeds.
Hey it's been a year. How many engines and transmissions have you had to replace? Or did you just haul 10K once? Or could the other 100 or so videos on them with owners throwing fits because they are always broke down, maybe they are just wrong and got lemons?
I don't see why it would fail sooner than any other engine, all the internals are diesel metallurgy from the pistons to the crank. I think of you took a regular motor and slapped a turbo on you have a point.
As an owner of a 5th gen ram 1500 with the hemi; can't agree whatsoever on your "transmission hunting" comment. The ZF with T/H engaged makes very short work of my 7000 pound TT, and it never shifts frequently. In fact I sometimes run with T/H OFF because it holds the gears longer than it needs to. I like what I see with the 2.7 turbo, but performance is only one piece of the equation. The 5.7 hemi has been used for years in the Ram 2500 heavy duty trucks as the base engine there, it can take a beating. Same with the chevy 5.3 and 6.2, they are long lasting and reliable. The jury is still out on how long you can work the 2.7 hard without it self destructing. That's the issue for me.
Wow really? So you leave the trans in 8th while towing? I have had 2 or 3 people comment totally agreeing with my talk about it hunting. Whenever I towed anything I had to lock the trans down in 6th or 5th depending on trailer size.
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 My truck never hit 8th while towing, ever, there is simply not enough torque at 1600 RPMS to pull that weight. It rarely hits 7th. It will pull at 2300 RPMs all day long in 6th and that's my preferred RPMs for sustained drives, so I lock it out to 6th. Every truck will have a certain load that the transmission is more eager to shift around on. Could be that your trailer was just that perfect weight to cause some shift movement, but I'm on several ram forums and nobody there complains about transmission hunting. The ZF is best in class (for 8 speed, the GM 10 speed has an awesome reputation as well. Very, very few people like the GM 8 speed on the gm-truck forum.).
@John Smith ok so you DID have hunting problems lol that's what I thought. The 4cyl does have the torque to use 7th and 8th gear and doesn't require locking down any gears. The Hemi when driving on gently sloping highway will range all over from 4th to 8th. In order to prevent trans wear you lock it down in a lower gear. THAT is called hunting and your comment described ot perfectly
@John Smith there's nothing "wrong" with the hemi. When you have a V8 they give you the longest axle gearing they have in order to help with mpg. That coupled with the fact that higher HP N/A motors don't have a ton of torque down low = hunting. Now Ram could have fixed this with better transmission programming... but they didn't. These turbo motors have tons of torque down low. I promise you if you didn't know what motors were in them and you towed with both. It would be very clear to you the 4cyl turbo tows better.
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 No you misread my comment. It doesn't ever hit 8th. It will sit in 7th occasionally, but I prefer to lock it out in 6th because that's my preferred RPM range, not because it's shifting back and forth. I want to run in higher RPMs because it's better for the engine instead of lugging in a lower gear which builds up heat. You can't compare 8th gear in both trucks without also doing the calculations for final gear ratios, my truck has the highway gears designed for fuel efficiency so you can't tow in 8th, but there are guys on ramforum who pull 9000 pound 5th wheels in 8th with a 3.92.
nothing will ever sound like a V8 but with the technology now days is great I am all about the towing as I am in a 5.7 tundra
Thanks for the video. I'm picking up my 23 Silver tomorrow! You made me have some peace buying the 2.7..
Thank you!
I have a 2023 Chevrolet Silverado LT 4 cyl Turbo with towing package. I changed out the factory air filter for a K&N factory type air filter, just after I picked it up. The best mileage that I have gotten so far with this setup is 32.7 mpg. I have towed several large loads. Works great.
Awesome!
This is nonsense. Lol seriously. Zero owners are getting anywhere close to that, downhill.
@freebehindbars8654 he probably is resetting the mpg counter after he is up to speed on the highway. The truck has a built in feature for recording "best mpg" and it will ONLY count a complete trip from start up to shut down and a minimum of 25 miles. My personal best is 29.2 mpg on a long highway trip on a 55mph highway
Just bought a 2023 trail boss z71 2.7L turbo LT, 1100 miles now, still not broke in yet, this is my work truck, I am supper impressed with this motor, I am a V8 man old school, I am caring about 3800 lbs in the back of this truck, it has dropped about 2" but cannot tell there is anything back there, this is just like and they designed it this way to be just like a diesel engine, so much torque in this engine, my 6.0 and my 5.3 don`t even compare to this, it's early but I am very very pleased, not going to mention any MPG yet just because the vehicle is to new at this time, thanks and good luck.
I like mine, 17k so far
Lmao 😂
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 what are you at nowadays? also what gas mileage do you get when not towing vs when you are towing?
@@majalt491I have a 2024 Silverado 1500 4X4 2.7L Turbo 28,000 miles. Not towing 20-23 MPG and towing with my camper 5050lbs 10-12 MPG average depending on terrain. I’ve been far west coast to far east coast, Midwest to south Texas and Florida. As they said it will “Sh*t it and get it!” I love it!
great video.. the 2.7 turbo made me a believer. I do not miss my GMC Sierra 1500 Denali 6.2 thirsty V8 for this little turbo version. I have not looked back. no issues towing my 23 ft pontoon and tandem trailer to/from the lake which it about an hour away on super hilly roads. Truck is a beast and a keeper.
How is it going a year later?
I am super excited that this engine is in the 2023 colorado. Going to be a phenomenal midsize truck for towing
Never again for me! Just traded my 2024 2.7L for a 2024 5.3L. Only put 6000 miles on the 2.7L! Rattling noises started at 1500 miles - getting louder and louder. Finally took it in for the first service at 6000 miles and the dealer ended up replacing the turbo. Definitely better, but didn’t completely eliminate the noise. The dealer was at a complete loss on how to proceed, so after 2 weeks in the shop I traded it for a brand new 2024 5.3L. Night and day better. Way more responsive and that proper V8 growl. I didn’t realize how bad the turbo lag was on the 2.7L, until I took the 5.3L for a test drive. Needless to say, that 2.7L was promptly traded the same day. Not sure if they ever figured out the issue with that 2.7L.
I have a 22 sierra elevation with this motor and so far it's been great 👍
I bought one in August and I'm impressed everyday with it!.....
I ditched the v8 in the summer of 2019 for the 2.7 Chevy RST 4x4 and have no regrets. In fact I love the engine and when its time for a trade in I will get the same unless GM comes out with a inline six version of this gasoline engine.
I also have a Silverado with a 4.8L. I tow a 3600 lb. travel trailer with it. These four bangers show promise. I just hope it has longevity.
That's close to the boat weight I accidentally spun the tires with
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 That's crazy! But I like it.
These new vehicle performance tests are nice and all however I would like to see how this engine endures after years of towing vs a V8.
Me too
@@Bangkok-ik1fpMileage durability is what worries me also.
Anyone buying this isn’t doing towing regularly or shouldn’t be at least, I’d guess this is for the occasional towing
Buddy has 114k on his. Pulls 7200lbs trailer most of those miles. Its 2021 2.7. It still has the same amount of power, just regular maintenance. He says he loves it. Another person I know has 80k on his pulls 7600lbs around same thing just regular oil change and thats bout it. Pulls strong. Its like a diesel gas hybrid.
Yea😮
I’ve always been a V8 guy but my V8 Silverado with a 6.0 is a dog towing our boat up any kind of grade. Also the fact is averages about 11 mpg not towing anything just sucks. The mpg while towing? I don’t even want to know.
The technology in this 4 cyl is downright impressive. I would consider getting this Silverado with the 4 cyl. Your truck didn’t even break 4000 rpm merging onto the freeway. Insane!
Those older 6.0s are dogs, I had a 2001 and got the same 11 MPG. This thing tows way better and gets 29 on long trips, 22 with my normal driving around town + highways, 17 mpg while towing open single axle trailers, 12 mpg while towing 10k lbs.
@jpete3027666 We have a 2015 4 door 4x4 6.0 dually with 4.10 gears. gets 11 mpg all day.
Pulling our 10k 35' TT it gets 6 mpg and it HATES hills it basically Sucks lol
This turbo is amazing! It’s powerful and it will do everything you need in a 1.5 ton! The Custom is king. Chevy got it right,
Well folks I would have not believed unless I test drove one, and bought one. I have a 2024 gmc with the 2.7 and I absolutely love it. All I ask is drive one b4 ya belittle it.
45k miles now and no issues at all. Very comfortable to drive.
I have a 2022 Silverado 4 cylinder I love it it does everything I needed to do
I have. Had one, then it burned oil, then I switched back to v8 naturally aspirated engine.
@joshtaylor1416 just like life some people have good others suck balls
@buildsomethingstupid1736 did you follow the trailer break-in per the manual? Curious because I have a'24 with the turbomax and want to get towing our 5,000lb airstream.
Hardest part is getting used to the sound of a four-cylinder in your truck ! Lol but I love mine
exactly
That was another thing that tripped me out. It sounds like a civic 🤣😂, I will definitely consider purchasing one.
My brother has the 22 and he had the same comment lol, he ended up putting a cold air intake and exhaust to give it a deeper sound.
@Checo818 it sounds weird when towing up a hill, kind of tractorish
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 That's what I thought, seems like even just idling with the hood open it kinda has a clackity diesel sound. I'm just basing that from videos so far, but I ordered a Colorado ZR2 with this engine and I'm excited to feel 430 pounds of torque in the midsize package.
I rented a 4cyl Silverado and it screwed up my whole thinking process about a "truck". I was very impressed on power and how fuel efficient it was when cruising on the highway.
When I was looking, this loaded silverado was 2k cheaper than the cloth f150 I was planning to buy and I thought "maybe I'll go check it out before I buy the ford". I saw on the sticker it was a 2.7l and I assumed it was a v6 like the ford (cause 2.7 is huge for a 4cyl). Test drove it and thought it drives good, rated for 9600 lbs, and 2k cheaper and loaded. I'll just buy this, this will work for me and save me some money. Didn't figure out it was a 4 banger until a week later
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 🤣😂 it's trippy
My 2020 5.3 silverado gear hunts terribly only loaded to about 5k lbs. Before I had a 2019 silverado 2.7 I had bought new. My only complaints were the new body style glitches it had. It got great mileage, and it made the same power as the 5.3 trucks I drove while it was in the shop.
Yeah the 5.3 I test drove definitely shifted more often, and I'm sure that only gets worse with towing, I think it's the really high torque the 2.7 has. Less need to downshift and it tows more like a diesel truck.
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 it has to be that low end torque the 2.7 has.. I also loved having the 2.7 pulling a hill on the rural interstate at 70mph lugging along and having a 5.3 6 speed beside me that I could hear downshift twice to keep up going up the grade.
I am all for small displacement turbo charged engines. I haven't driven one of these yet but I absolutely loved the 3.5 Ecoboost I used to have.
This doesn't feel as fast as the 3.5 but still plenty of power. It does however feel stronger in the 1300-2000 rpm range as i can tow very well without downshifting
Impressive. For most of us who don't tow regularly or that much (9k lbs), this truck makes sense. Durability will have to be reviewed after this engine has been in the field for a couple of more years, but I anticipate it will prove to be such a durable engine. I only wish that GM had a 6-speed manual trans available still as an option on its light duty trucks.
I really miss manual transmission options! I have driven quite a few new manuals though and they don't have the same feel as the old ones. They are all dual mass flywheels now and they just don't feel like the old ones
Carbon buildup on this design has been an issue, at lower power outputs. Idea like to see those valves.
@@freebehindbars8654 absolutely, that's one of the biggest head scratchers about this engine. GDI has been around for a while and most manufacturers have gone to dual injection, like Toyota's D4S system. This is such a new design, why didn't GM do the same?
I have owned a half dozen 5.3L's. Including a 2020 Silverado RST. I was hesitant to get my 2022 2.7L. But I will never go back to the 5.3L. It is quicker, more fuel efficient (verified, not just computer), tows great. The only downside is the sound. So I'd that if that's important to you it might not be for you.
Yeah it is really weird to start a truck and have it sound like a car
@Steven Echelberger ua-cam.com/video/L37gHDnxRl4/v-deo.html
@Steven Echelberger Yes! So we have a cottage in northern Michigan. We travel there twice a month, every month. In my 5.3L(2020) I would average between 19 and 22 actual(Weather depending and an average speed of 75 & 78 mpg) With my 2.7L. I average between 21.5 and 24.5 actual(Again weather depending and an average speed between 75 and 78 mph). Speed varying depending on the speed limit... Again that's actual confirmed, not just computer. It drives my wife crazy me always checking it....
@@dm-lombo1647 Your variance of +2.5 mpg seems in line with GM mpg rating for 5.3 19 mpg & 2.7 22 mpg (two wheel drive). The 2.7 may be my next pickup for light towing.
Love mine, just need to make that turbo whistle louder to overcome the exhaust notes 💪🏼
Very well done video. Exactly what I was looking for.
Thank you for your real world tow testing, very impressive. Brother tows with 2011 Silverado 5.3 camper approx. 6k loaded. Does ok on reasonable level ground but requires very high rpm on grades yielding 8 -10 mpg (Ca Sierra Nevada Mtn). Great to see new options for most who only tow part time.
The ability of the turbo to give that low end power is amazing. It has very little need to downshift which saves a lot of trans wear. I would bet the 4cyl would hold speed at 3k rpm no problem with 6k lbs.
Love the video!!! If I compare the other trucks V8 and V6 the I got before. And very surprised with my 21 Silverado 2.7 and I love it. Pull my 5,800 camper easily and my trailer with the big lawnmowers for all summer and no problem so far. Very happy and good fuel economy... 💪🏽👍🏽
How is it pulling in hills and wind...bad conditions in general? Looking at this truck right now.
I used to have a 2013 Ram 1500 and pulled a huge 30 ft boat with it. It rode good unloaded but like you said, it would squat all the way down until I added airbags. Ram is comfy for daily driving but trucks need leaf springs for weight handling. I now have a Silverado 5.3L but my friend just got a 2.7L Silverado and I'm anxious to drive it and see how it compares.
100% agree Ilove my ram uinless I was towing
Just bought a 2021 GMC Sierra with the 2.7 - so far it is a very nice motor!
I just got a 2023 Chevy Silverado 1500 custum and it tows pretty good. Really good video though keep up the hard work
Thanks
Wow I'm impressed.. thank you for sharing that video...I'm getting ready to get one this week..
I saw an interview with the engine lead on another youtube channel the other day. Diesel tech in this engine, diesel style 3 layer metal rod bearings, and top ring groove is steel (solid steel with cast aluminum piston formed around it). Sodium filled exhaust valves (that used to be race car stuff) and electric water pump, so you can keep flowing large amounts of coolant even if the engine is near idle after a hard pull....the engineer said turbo diesel like performance, and he is exactly right...make torque down low. I am impressed with what they have done.
I like it, just towed at max capacity again today and as always was impressed
Pulls strong and hard that's for sure!
430 ft-lbs of torque is massive and 2.7l is a big 4-cylinder. it amazes me how good these small turbocharged engines have become, look at the ford EcoBoost, its a monster for a v6
The 3.5l ecoboost is ridiculously quick with a trailer on the back. I had a 17 ecoboost
Pos fords
Superb video of actual towing tests. I like your straight-forward approach to presenting your findings. I purchased a Silverado with the 2.7L a month ago, and don't plan to tow anything close to weighing 9,000 lbs, but it is good to know how the truck would perform. Your video shows this very well.
I was told by my sales guy at Chevy, who seems to be very genuine (not a BS artist), that he was sent to Indy to experience towing tests with different engine options for the Silverado, and he was impressed by the near similar performance of the 2.7L vs. the V-8s. As it relates to some comments about the life expectancy of the 2.7L, he mentioned that he was told the 2.7L is only the 2nd engine that GM has tested that they could not yet blow up on a test stand, with 2.5M effective miles on it. Now, to what extent this is true, to what extent GM worked the engine and so forth is open to question. I'm sure to get to 2.5M miles (equivalent on a test stand) the engine had to be well serviced, oil changed etc. And maybe it was never pushed very hard, I don't know how it was really tested (proprietary to GM anyway). But being and Aero Engineer with experience designing aircraft jet engine components, I can say that it doesn't serve much purpose to put an engine on a test stand and baby it. The goal is to find what the weakest link in the chain is. So, I guess time will tell if the 2.7 is a dependable engine, I'm hoping for my sake and others it is.
A couple people in the comments have mentioned the block was designed similiar to a diesel block.. I like the sound of that! Additionally I can say you almost never see an engine "wear out" it's almost always a support system that fails that causes the engine failure. Like oil leak running the engine dry, coolant leak overheating the engine, etc. So I don't have any reservation about pulling this much power from a 4cyl.
They used a tilting test stand to make sure the 2.7 turbo didn't starve for oil and they ran it under full load with the turbo glowing red for months at a time with no problems. That's what sold me on it after watching the video.
@@robd380 that's cool, how can I find this video
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 ua-cam.com/video/4XUu-XHPAo8/v-deo.html The test stand scene starts at 7:25
@@robd380 thats pretty cool. Diesel strength components and some pretty hard angle testing... and coolant temp cycling which is extremely hard on engines. I'm feeling pretty good about it. I might keep this truck longterm and put a little lift and 37s on it
I am sure that the power plant has plenty of power. Most people hear 4 cylinder and immediately associate that with anemic performance. Turbos and the associated technology are the great equalizers and small displacement engines can indeed perform as well as or even better than old school naturally aspirated V8s. I have had both the 2.7 and 3.5 Ford ecoboost motors in F150s and they were both more than adequate as far as the power was concerned. One thing to remember is that you must be hyper-vigilant with the maintenance with any boosted motor since the high internal pressures put additional stress on everything and they tend to also ingest small amounts of soot due to the EGR systems. Not much of a problem if oil is changed very regularly and high quality synthetic is used. However (as I learned on my 2012 F150 I bought used) if maintenance is deferred or even pushed out to manufacturers recommendations that soot can wear out internally lubricated parts like the timing chain system. Although it did last 180K miles I had no record of the past maintenance. Good luck with your truck it sure looks nice.
Well said. All my trucks growing up were from the 80s. And although i miss the simplicity, these newer turbos out power them all.
I own 2022 2.7 so love it. I use as my car. Because I hate cars. I only have one problem and it is the info center. Periodically it makes my speakers sound blown. My Chevy dealership won’t do anything about it.
I'm digging the tech GM invested in this 4 bang. This isn't a fail, fly by night engine. It's got incredible future, just like the 3.0 duramax. The R&D team over there is hitting on all cylinders. GM continues to impress. A creative person might have to tinker with this boxo de quatro 🧐🤔 and try pushing for 500hp/750 ft-lbs. I'm actually pretty certain with some bolt on parts, water cooled aftercooler, tunes, etc it could achieve that with stock internals. Very cool engine that says Honda from the outside, and Sherman Tank from the inside. The 3.0 duramax is another incredible engine worth tinkering with. I'd be thrilled to have the 2.7 or 3.0 diesel in place of a typical truck veggie juice.
from what my friend who owns one of these trucks is saying, there aren't any tunes yet because the ECM is locked/encrypted by GM. Hopefully someone can crack it because I'm sure it has a lot of potential.
2022 GMC Sierra, elevation package (so no HD suspension in the rear), currently 42k miles, regularly tows a large trailer, campers, sxs, dump trailer. Anywhere from 3000 lbs to allegedly over 11,565. She pulls. Had an EGR solenoid blow up, but that's all
I was shocked, I had ordered a custom built V8 LT silverado but after driving the 2.7 turbo, I changed my mind and ended up getting a trail boss LT with the 2.7
Yeah I have no complaints its been great so far. 22k miles
I just purchased a 2023 Chevy Silverado Custom, and the truck is growing on me. I miss my 2019 Silverado and ramble of 5.3L v8, the longer bed, and the features on that truck. Nevertheless I really like my 2023.
I do miss the sounds
I bought a 2016 F165 new in 2016. It now has 89,000 miles with both stock turbos. I towed a 96 4x4 Tahoe 5,300 lbs. on a Uhaul trailer 2,000 lbs. it only has 375 lbs-ft torque @ 3,000 rpm. I didn’t have any problems going up hills.
the difference is yours is still around, the 2.7 will not be, gm has not built a good 4 cyl. since the 1960s , the chevy two and the pontiac tempest.
@@davidmckibbin4440 GM 2.7 is a great engine. They don’t play around with their truck engines
I just got this truck I agree with everything you said ill update this when I get through my first tank of gas I’m at like 230 miles now and still have half a tank
The more I see the 2.7L Chevy the moore I like it. 430 lbs of torque is massive and will definitely be enough for a daily driver, Home Depot running, weekend boat trailering. If you have a 15,000 lbs camper you need a 2500. This truck will do everything a weekend warrior would need with some to spare! Down side: I don’t trust GM small engines. Had 2.5L 2010 Equinox that drank a quart of oil every 500 miles. At 80,000 the engine was on its last leg so I traded it in. Not a good experience. Hopefully GM has learned from its mistakes. And I do not like AFM system. Why turn a four banger into a two banger? Complexity for very little gain. Nice video, thank you
Exactly
This was my exact line of thinking too. I might use my 2.7L to tow a trailer for yard debris or small camper, but the power output suits me fine. And at 57, I dont care if there is a hamster on a wheel powering it, if it does the job.
@Mark Swinford in this case a VERY muscular hamster haha
First I want to say, very well done video! Love the editing and your explanations right to the point.
On the truck, the more I read about it and the more I hear real world accounts, I am so impressed with it. Seems like a great all-around balanced powertrain. Your highway MPG testing was awesome.
As far as durability time will tell but there are some of these with upwards of 150,000 already. Plus I know people are scared of the technology but there are a ton of EcoBoost running around with several hundred plus thousand miles and those are probably even more stressed with dual turbos and more power and they seem fine.
My next truck is a Sierra elevation with the 2.7 🙏
Thanks for the comment!
Fantastic video. Idk why everyone gives this motor such a hard time. Obviously it sounds worse than a V8 but that's not the point. It's totally capable right up to its limit, as your video demonstrates. TFL just did a deep dive into the 2.7 with the chief engineer, it seems like a perfectly reliable choice, especially the 2022+ updated version with the updated 8 speed. Meets the needs for 80-90% of half-ton truck owners, and 99.9% of midsize truck owners.
I love the motor, the only things I don't like about the truck is some of the software concerning the auto climate control and the infotainment center.
Looking at getting a Colorado with this engine for towing a 5000 lb travel trailer. Sounds like a diesel. Thanks for sharing.
Yeah it'll tow it great, and best of all get great mileage when you aren't towing
We have a 2022 Custom Trail Boss with the 2.7 turbo 430 ft lbs torque and love it. We put our golf cart in the bed and pull our 28’ toy hauler with motorcycle in it at roughly 7700 lbs no problems.
Nice
Hows the truck still doing pulling the toy hauler? Any issue's? Put down alot of towing miles? Only 1 person I know has 114k on the 2.7 pulling 7600lbs camper with just regular maintenance.
Well we have no where near that many miles but still pulls great and no issues!
Great video. I wonder what the lifespan of these engines will be.
Hard to say, but I do like the fact that they used all diesel internals on the engine build. The ability to get high 20s mpg unloaded and still tow almost 10k lbs is awesome for my situation
I love a V8 always. But there will never be an argument I won’t agree that vehicles keep getting better and stronger. I love the idea of 4 cylinders. They are simple and reliable for the most part. Why not upgrade it to work too?
V8 noise is definitely better
Setting durability aside, this thing (L3B) is magnificent! Having been in Tundras for years, I'm intrigued. Back to durability; I've watched the GM vids on it's design parameters and testing. I don't really trust any manufacturers today, Toyota included; but this engine is extremely significant to GM's future and they've taken it seriously. 3 years + after introduction and the 5.3 is less reliable than this 2.7 from what I've read in forums from owners.
Thus far that is what I am finding too, more reports of issues with the V8 and not this 2.7L. I have an older Silverado with a 5.3, no issues at 160K, but I never towed heavy loads with it either.
@@markswinford4546 5.3 Vortec was more durable than the 5.3 Ecotech.
@@sharkskin3448 - GM probably went through a cost cutting effort to cheapen the Ecotech out, and paid for it with poor reliability.
@@markswinford4546 they went for direct injection for fuel efficiency and lower emissions. Toyota and Ford added direct injection, but kept port injection, which keeps the valves cleaner. The combination of the 2 is beneficial you engine life. GM must know this. I don't get their thinking. Also, there have been major issues with the 8 speed trans. I blame government intrusion and inept management. It's a shame. GM has the best automotive engineers in the world. They should get in charge, not the "woke", green new deal executives.
@@sharkskin3448 - Big businesses are run by bean counters, for the most part. Although GM's Mary Barra is a EE, so respect given there. The problem with many businesses that make anything in the U.S. is younger people no longer have the hands-on skills they once had. They dropped industrial arts in high schools years ago, the thinking was everyone was going to be a "professional" (lawyer, doctor,...). My Dad taught shop classes in a HS in Skokie IL for 30+ years, and I inherited his hands on skills. So, many engineers right out of college go intro spreadsheet management work, task tracking... BS like that. And I know BS when I see it, I have a B.S. in Aero E. Maybe some of the hands-on skills are coming back, after the outsourcing mania has peaked, and the bean counters now realize that outsourcing everything has problems too, think container ships stuck in ports.
Below is how I applied my hands-on skills, now enjoy flying.
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Love mine. Actually believe it's better than my 2013 with 5.3 vortec. God knows fuel wise it is. It pulls my boat like nothing even leaving the ramp is effortless
I have a 2013 5.3 at the moment. I used to crap in these 4 cylinders but looking at the numbers and videos like this I think I just may get one. It does seem like it is better than a 2013 5.3 which has done everything I’ve needed it to do so why wouldn’t this do the same right?
@@williamwhite8355 I have had mine now for8 months still shocked of how it compares to my old truck. Only thing is I miss the sound of the v8. Grew up in the 70s and 80s so lot of cool v8 and sounds.
(JAN 2023) I've been seriously considering getting this truck. Any new updates you can share, perhaps things you may have just noticed recently that you weren't aware of, or experiencing earlier? Thanks a bunch!!
11k miles now, everything still works great. My only dislikes are more personal taste and design flaws with the interior (thats an opinion of course)
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 Awesome, thanks for your feedback!!
Awesome video! The only other thing I’d like to see is towing from 70-75 mph. Can it do that without screaming at a high rpm? Thanks again.
I drive different vehicles for work. Gasoline wise this engine is extremely impressive compared to some V8s. I would recommend it if you want a daily. I know there are questions about towing. Time will tell! But, with GM going from 60,000 mile powertrain to 100,000 mile powertrain on this engine, they seem pretty confident in it.
I get up to 27mpg on long trips. Really good for a full size truck
Cool, but what about continuous hauling at near capacity.? That's the test.
How many miles is continuous?
@Build Something Stupid hauling at 75% or more capability about 2x a week
@@rickdarris6152 done, 15k miles so far
I have a lawn care business and i am looking at getting one of these
Tow good when you got your mower and good gas mileage when u dont
@@buildsomethingstupid1736Chevy says it will be the standardd engine.
Good to see they changed ... Gonna give it a try.
The big 4 cylinder?
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 the big 4cyl
Did you know... It'll tow a dodge mega cab diesel ,and get 12 mpg @ 60 MPH... Did it from Dexter MO. To wheatfield IN. This is the early version the big hp engine must be even better. All I can say is I'm convinced.
Nice
I own a 2021 Silverado and I am very impressed with the 2.7 turbo. I travel from Houston to Dallas and back every weekend and it only uses 3/4 of a tank of gas. I was doubting the power and towing capabilities but it has held up to what it says it can do. This was a good video to show some of the power.
Thanks for the feedback!
This is why a lot of people like their ecoboost f150s. These smaller turbocharged gas engines tow WAY better than people would expect. That low-end torque is addictive.
@@Brandon_Nelson92 funny thing about the ecoboost engines are they are selling because they perform well and not for the intended reason of improved fuel economy. Even the 2.7 is a powerhouse and seems more reliable than the 3.5. But have to be driven conservatively to get decent fuel economy.
@@gregrowe1168 I have a 2019 3.5 f150.
Driven lightly, I can get 21-22mpg out of it. It can also tow 10k lbs better than my previous 7.3 poweratroke or 5.9 cummins. The diesels were down to 50-55mph on steep grades while the f150 holds 70mph with reserve power.
The way I see it, if you don't have to tow over 10k, an ecoboost f150 gives all the towing satisfaction of a diesel truck without the emissions-related headaches.
How many miles do you have on it so far? I just bought a 2023 with the 2.7L HO. Love it so far! I hope it is as reliable as my last truck (Ford 3.7L NA)
That’s all I need when I get ready to purchase a truck that’s what I want.
I’m thinking about buying one kinda skeptical about the engine I tow for long periods of time around 3000 pounds but I like the performance and gas mileage.
3000lbs the truck wont even know its there besides the gas mileage drop
For the next gen Silverado's, they should just pair it with the 10 speed, all of the other Silverado engine options are paired with 10 speed if im not mistaken
Honestly I wouldn't touch the trans, it really shifts/tows great. I'd be afraid a 10 speed would be a gear hunter
I can’t imagine any of these 10 speed transmissions making it past 100k miles. I honestly think that’s the benchmark for reliability for new trucks now, last just long enough to be paid off and throw it away and buy another.
Nice video.. though it makes you wonder if these 4 cylinders will get 200k + miles like the V8s.
Any motor can get 200k miles or 2k miles, just depends on how much you fix them
Breaking news my friend, those v8 does not make it to 200k miles anymore.
The 5.3 and 6.2 had a lot of troubles. I think in fact, the 4 cylinder is their most reliable truck engine since it came out.
@@ProbeGT2 as in Ford Probe GT? I had one when I was a teenager
So you are totally satisfied with its towing capabilities? I have been on the fence with this and have watched all the videos I could find for towing. Yours showed it the best. I won't be towing 8k+ on a regular basis but I would like to know that it will do it no problem if I need it. I'm very impressed with this setup.
100% Satisfied. The combo of massive torque plus excellent trans programming makes this the best towing 150/1500 I've ever used. The RPMs stay lower climbing mountains than anything ive ever towed with. I just towed the boat 4 hours in the mountains and dont think it ever went over 2500 rpms.
The reason there's discrepancies in the fuel mileage on the cluster vs on paper is due to the truck's measuring system not being able to measure every cubic inch of fuel in the tank
Actually the fuel consumption is measured by the computer via fuel pressure and injector pulse length. The DTE is estimated by the fuel tank sensor.
I have tested the dash mpg vs actual mpg on my '23 LT 4X4 2.7T and its been about 0.5 mpg optimistic.
My last truck, a '17 Sierra base 5.3 was usually 2 full mpg optimistic.
Also, not towing, but on my 16 minute commute with 25% 30mph roads and 75% 65-70mph interstate driving, I get better mpg using the trailering mode...like 2mpg better.
WOW, I wonder if if this truck would tow a mini skid steer/ mini excavator. Im planning on buying one within weeks. Im torn between the double cab elevation and the double cab LT texas edition
If you can tow it with a 10k trailer id say its fine for that.
How was the reliability of the engine and transmission? I’m William intrigued by this truck, but I am a diehard Toyota truck fan concerned about GM poor quality reputation. Thanks for the great video.
51,000 miles no problems so far.
I just bought a used 19 with a 2.7. Has 58k miles on it, power seems good. Haven't pulled my 2 ATVs on my trailer yet. I did notice your MPG is horrible towing. The 2.7 isn't really a proven motor yet (long term) I feel a 6.0 or 5.3 is better for towing. Also, the 2.7 isn't that much better on MPGs to really make it a viable option...just my 2 cents.
The towing mileage is because I was only on back roads and accelerating multiple times for the video. I get 11-12 while towing max capacity and 18-19 while towing single axle trailers. So not that bad, but yes NA engines get better mpg under load
Nice set up but I'm sticking with my 6.2L.
Absolutely! No brainer.
Who ever buys one of these is a brave soul. V6 engines have come a long way but I’m still weary of them but a 4 cylinder is crazy to me. In sure it’ll be mostly trouble free during the warranty period but out of that who knows.
Awesome performance from this engine.Most owners would be more than happy with the 2.7.The fact that it's a 4 cylinder is hard for the traditional v8 lover to get beyond.But not me.Id buy one in an instant if purchasing a new Chevy or GMC truck.Who needs a v8 sound over performance, not me.Current ride is a 19 F150 Lariat with the 3.5 Ecoboost, love the torque
The 3.5s are amazing
I've read and watched the video's, haven't driven one. My complaint is the MPG's aren't there. YES you don't spend 1800+ on the 5.3 but for NEXT TO no MPG improvement, why take the chance AND what NOBODY is mentioning, TRADE-IN value when that time comes. You've got DECADES of knowledge knowing what to expect with your traditional truck trade, but plowing new ground with this 4 banger.
@@brianhuffman3202 You're going by the sticker mpgs. This thing gets 28 mpg on long drives and 20 around town. so there is definitely a huge mpg increase. As far as resale goes.... It seems to me that 4 door trucks hold value forever, whereas the 2 doors dont regardless of the engine option.
I’m curious how the fuel economy is under a towing situation, with the 4 vs 8. Just thinking the 4 motor working harder than the 8? If a guy was hauling more often than maybe the 8 would be better?
Turbos generally use more fuel when under boost. I get 12-13 when towing the 9200lbs. And 16-17 when towing a single axle trailer.
Would love to see the transmission temp during the trip
It doesn't budge at all, exactly the same as normal driving
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 Thanks!
I just think it is unfortunate that you can’t get the RST trim with the 4 cyl like pre-refresh models. I am very happy with my 2020 4 cyl RST.
True I kinda like the 21's front end better. But the 22" extra torque is nice
@Build Something Stupid I like the color matched bumpers and grille, and LED taillights from the factory on the RST trim. My use does not require the v8.
I had one on order and the dealer called me back 5 months later telling me i can't have it in the rst anymore... I was really pissed off.
GM has yet to prove to me they can make a 4 cylinder that will last. Anyone remember the Chevy Cruz, that didn’t last long.
I own a 14 ram hemi now and I can attest to your comments about it. And mine doesn't even ride that good for having coils on all 4 corners. My next truck will be GM. I like the 3.0L LZO duramax and this 2.7L is impressive. I believe this engine is the better option over the 5.3L. But I'm leaning towards the 2500 6.6L gas. Great video man good to see people doing actual towing videos with these trucks👍
Gotta love 250/2500s
why would you downgrade to a gm
@@TheSavage3.6 What would you recommend?
@@msclecarcrzy personally if i was in the market for a new truck i’d get a used 2016+ ram with the pentastar 3.6L and supercharge it. they’re forged from the factory and can push out 500+ HP, around 700 if you do supporting mods and the 8HP70 can hold it too.
@@TheSavage3.6 let's see, the hemi blows exhaust manifold bolts and even cracks exhaust manifolds lol. Also hemis wipe cams, just like the silverado. I had a 16 ram 1500, got tired of replacing wheel bearings and at 75k miles I got the tick....next day traded it off.
Finally! A video I wanted to see. But my question is did the truck feel sluggish with all that weight?
Every truck feels sluggish with 10k lbs behind it! I can say i am 100% happy with the towing ability. The trans shift patterns are great and with the turbo 4 all the power is real low and torquey. During normal highway driving it typically stays around 1800rpm and only drops 1 gear up hills with driving
Once you get it tuned you'll like it even more.
How much HP you get?
I really like my new 2023 2.7
can you adjust the trailer brakes? does the truck have a integrated brake controller? Trim level?
Mines an LT and yes has a built in controller and yes its adjustable
I have a 2022 Silverado with the 2.7, I want to tow my 7,400 lb 5th wheel with it, do you think it will be able to do it?
How good is this engine for a off road adventure
Good so far! Pretty much all GMs have a built in rear locker so it's pretty good
What could an ecu tune do for this vehicle?or an exhaust or CAI ?
My 2022 Silverado Trail boss with the turbo 4 pulls a 8000lb boat the same or maybe better than my last 2020 Silverado High country 6.2, at 65 mph the turbo 4 never down shifts it just creates more boost. I have 38,700 miles on it and must say that my next truck will have the same engine.
I think the V8 will just work less putting out the same force. Like a short basketball player vs a taller one, he can play but has to work much harder.
If the 4 cyl has more torque than the v8... does that mean the v8 is actually working harder than the 4 cyl?
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 perhaps..but the 5.3 is bullet proof and no turbo to worry about down the road. We will see how they hold up?
@@desert8285 tell him torque gets you going HP KEEPS you going. My money is on the 5.3.
My biggest concern with any of the GM engines including the 4 cylinder engine in the Silverado is that AFM. I mean the engine can drop all the way to one cylinder. That’s a lot of pressure on that engine.
I just think that little engine is more stressed and has to work a lot harder to move all that. Way too complicated. Great concept but long-term reliability would be my biggest concern with this engine especially is you're towing like this a lot
That's pretty crazy going to 1 cylinder
@@25brentharris I'll let you know I drive a lot. Should have a lot of miles in a couple years. Have ya ll seen the electric hummers stats?
I agree 100% It makes me not want to buy any of them. It is a huge issue on any of those engines. My brother had his entire valvletrain replaced on his 2019 Tahoe with un 8000 miles on the vehicle... Unreal
@@25brentharris I agree with you I think though if the oil is changed regularly and don’t use it to tow a lot it should last.
Do you have the truck in tow haul mode?? It didn’t look like it, which I’m even more impressed with
What a great video!! I’m convinced!!
Thanks man
I’ve been looking at this vehicle hard. My biggest worry is the 8 speed trannny. I’ve heard nothing bad about the engine.
Do it. My trans is only about 5 degrees warmer when towing the 10k
I’m loving mine but I only have 1100 miles thus far
I;ve heard issues too, but oddly seems to not be an issue with the 2.7. wierd
I'm a Ford guy. I drive a 2018 crew cab STX 4x4 with the second generation 2.7L ecoboost. I won't go back to an N/A V8 powered truck. V8's leave to much efficiency on the table. If I were to buy a Chevy truck, I would have no problem with the 2.7L turbo 4 as long as I could get it with the 10 speed transmission. Trucks and turbos go together like peanut butter and jelly.
Can you get 4 cylinder Silverado with the ten speed transmission?
I don't think so I think it's only the 8 speed... but I can also say it's hands down the smoothest and least hunting trans I've ever had. I was just coming out of the mountains yesterday and put on tow haul mode so it used engine braking... didn't even feel it downshift I just happened to look down and I was at 3500 rpm
What gears do they generally come with?
3.42 I wish they had a 4+option. I bet It would feel like a rocket.
Curious about EGTs/turbo temp towing in traffic and hills not just highway
Well I have never driven it with a scanner attached, but coolant and trans temp stay exactly the same at all time once fully warmed up. Any hot day towing or not towing the trans eventually reaches 195-205. If you are unloaded it takes like an hour to get to that temp when loaded its only about 20 minutes
Have you had any issues with a hard shift on the first shift from 1-2 in cold weather? Or some clunky downshifts? The engine seeems to be great for me but the 8 speed seems like a hunk of junk
Nope not at all. Is yours a 21? I heard they fixed something for 22(which this one is)
It may tow better than the 8’s, but how long will it do it?
it's cool and really awesome technology to see it have that much towing capacity, but I just don't trust turbo technology.
Do the Silverado Trim's that offer the 2.7L Turbo not have a Tow/Haul mode? If they do, I wonder if that would change the transmission timing from what was seen in your test
It does have tow mode I just don't use it because I'm not into engine braking unless I'm actually going down a long mountain grade. I wouod rather use my brake pads than use my engine and trans
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 You are better off using the tow haul mode when towing. It is better for your whole drivetrain. At minimum it gives increased hydraulic pressure on the clutch plates as well as locking the torque converter in lower hears to reduce heat and wear, it also keeps the engine more in it's peak torque rpm range.
@Dodi Anderson since writing that comment I did finally remember to put it in tow haul mode and it didn't drive me nuts like they usually do. Every other truck I've had has made very big jerky downshifts... this truck downshift like butter and I don't even notice the downshift till I look at the RPMs and see them over 3000
I bought one of the last regular can BBC short bed with this 2.7 . I will be taking a long trip this week. Look forward to the mileage it gets at 80 mph freeway speeds.
I got 25 overall on my long trip
@@Bangkok-ik1fp I got 19 mpg going all freeway at 80 mph. Really about +2 mpg is all the better I got than my 5.7 hemi. It needs a turbo boost gauge.
It's a engine that can tow for most people and daily drive and not kill you at the pump.
Exactly very functional for 99% of truck owners
Great video, I've been saying for a while now these 2.7s are overbuilt and should last.
Hopefully so
Hey it's been a year. How many engines and transmissions have you had to replace? Or did you just haul 10K once? Or could the other 100 or so videos on them with owners throwing fits because they are always broke down, maybe they are just wrong and got lemons?
Zero problems so far, over 30k miles, and I idle a lot in addition to towing. I tow either my tractor or my box trailer at least twice a week.
The way you talked about trading in and losing money made me serious about your test vid. Truly amazing video mate
Yes it will do it but if towing a lot light or a little heavy how long before it shits the bed?
I don't see why it would fail sooner than any other engine, all the internals are diesel metallurgy from the pistons to the crank. I think of you took a regular motor and slapped a turbo on you have a point.
As an owner of a 5th gen ram 1500 with the hemi; can't agree whatsoever on your "transmission hunting" comment. The ZF with T/H engaged makes very short work of my 7000 pound TT, and it never shifts frequently. In fact I sometimes run with T/H OFF because it holds the gears longer than it needs to. I like what I see with the 2.7 turbo, but performance is only one piece of the equation. The 5.7 hemi has been used for years in the Ram 2500 heavy duty trucks as the base engine there, it can take a beating. Same with the chevy 5.3 and 6.2, they are long lasting and reliable. The jury is still out on how long you can work the 2.7 hard without it self destructing. That's the issue for me.
Wow really? So you leave the trans in 8th while towing? I have had 2 or 3 people comment totally agreeing with my talk about it hunting. Whenever I towed anything I had to lock the trans down in 6th or 5th depending on trailer size.
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 My truck never hit 8th while towing, ever, there is simply not enough torque at 1600 RPMS to pull that weight. It rarely hits 7th. It will pull at 2300 RPMs all day long in 6th and that's my preferred RPMs for sustained drives, so I lock it out to 6th. Every truck will have a certain load that the transmission is more eager to shift around on. Could be that your trailer was just that perfect weight to cause some shift movement, but I'm on several ram forums and nobody there complains about transmission hunting. The ZF is best in class (for 8 speed, the GM 10 speed has an awesome reputation as well. Very, very few people like the GM 8 speed on the gm-truck forum.).
@John Smith ok so you DID have hunting problems lol that's what I thought. The 4cyl does have the torque to use 7th and 8th gear and doesn't require locking down any gears. The Hemi when driving on gently sloping highway will range all over from 4th to 8th. In order to prevent trans wear you lock it down in a lower gear. THAT is called hunting and your comment described ot perfectly
@John Smith there's nothing "wrong" with the hemi. When you have a V8 they give you the longest axle gearing they have in order to help with mpg. That coupled with the fact that higher HP N/A motors don't have a ton of torque down low = hunting. Now Ram could have fixed this with better transmission programming... but they didn't. These turbo motors have tons of torque down low. I promise you if you didn't know what motors were in them and you towed with both. It would be very clear to you the 4cyl turbo tows better.
@@buildsomethingstupid1736 No you misread my comment. It doesn't ever hit 8th. It will sit in 7th occasionally, but I prefer to lock it out in 6th because that's my preferred RPM range, not because it's shifting back and forth. I want to run in higher RPMs because it's better for the engine instead of lugging in a lower gear which builds up heat. You can't compare 8th gear in both trucks without also doing the calculations for final gear ratios, my truck has the highway gears designed for fuel efficiency so you can't tow in 8th, but there are guys on ramforum who pull 9000 pound 5th wheels in 8th with a 3.92.