This video confirmed what I felt all along about the revised 2.7 with 430 ft lbs of torque. I was intrigued enough where I found myself trading my Chevy Colorado 3.6 towards purchasing a Chevy Silverado Custom Double Cab 2.7. I purchased this truck for my Hot Shot business where I do light towing and hauling on demand. Everything mentioned in this video, I can confirm. I have driven (rented) the 5.3 several times and comparing the two drivetrains, I find the 2.7 much more relaxing to operate. The 5.3 is slightly faster as shown but the 2.7 is a more relaxed cruiser. Some might say the mileage between these two drivetrains is negligible, but the 1 to 3 extra MPG highway in favor of the 2.7 is money in my pocket. Like many thoughts, reliability remains the big gamble.
Awesome to hear you sort of confirm what I also felt when towing between these two engines. Nothing wrong with the 5.3 but I genuinely felt like the 2.7L just pulled easier. As for reliability, so far it seems they are holding up but that is still to be determined
The 5.3L actually gets better real world fuel economy both while towing and on the highway, so in this use case the extra 1-3 mpg is in favor of the V8. Anyone can see the V8 advantage by comparing EPA ratings for 2023 2.7 and 5.3 Silverados with matching options like 4WD and mud terrain tires. In this case the 2.7 is rated 17 CITY / 18 HWY while the 5.3 is rated 16 CITY / 20 HWY
@@rotaryenginepete This may be true concerning the EPA on the stickers of the vehicle used by the OP. I was only referencing my personal experience between the vehicles I have rented (Silverado 5.3 extended cab) and my particular Silverado 2.7.
When the 2.7L 4-Cyl Turbo first came out, I read the specs. The GM came out with a video of the spec, and basically this is a 4-cyl diesel that has spark plugs, and runs on gas! From the very design of the block up it is built like a diesel engine. So it makes perfect sense for this engine to perform like it does, it is not a typical 4-cyl.
@@matthew7972 I understand there are always questions with new technology? One of other things mentioned in the GM review video was how they test all their engines, especially for trucks, and heavy duty applications. They max test them on the dyno until they break! The engineer said that the 2.7L turbo was the only one that didn’t break! So I guess we’ll see?
@@claytonsmith6148 ya I’m not doubting the engine. Just need to see the longevity of it. Hell, the 5.3L v8 has been around forever and still has issues
I owned the GMC Elevation 2.7 "2020" and you are absolutely correct. Engine is built as it were the Duramax minis the Diesel lol. Never had a problem with it. Great towing our 4500 lbs travel trailer. I turned in the truck back June of 2023 and now leasing the F150 2.7 which gets better city mpg's , perhaps it's due to the 10 spd. I was pissed with GMC getting rid of the center console for the 2.7 Elevation. So I changed trucks to the XLT Sport.
Ill trade the towing acceleration for an engine that can hold a gear all day long. I actually did. Traded my 2020 5.3 in for a 23 2.7. I had a 19 2.7 thay i missed.
1 month into owning my 23 LT w/ 2.7L and I love it. it is a really nice daily driver! so comfortable and responsive. A couple of weeks back we made our first trip with it half way up Mt Hood here in Oregon with our #6000 TT for a camping trip. From where I live to where we camped on Hood, there was a number of 6%+/- grades that normally tasked the heck out of my 08 Tahoe LT 5.3L when towing this same trailer. My 23 LT hit these same grades so much easier, 2500-3000 rpm ripping along at 60mph comfortably. My 08 Tahoe would be about 3800+ rpm at about 45 mph, and really working hard. The Tahoe is NOT meant to tow like this. Thanks for the video comparison! Interesting.
I was shocked how well the 2.7L pulled a heavy load. and in my opinion at highway speeds pull much better then the 5.3L which was a surprise to me. maybe GM knows what they are doing lol
@@GettysGarage Hahaha I hope so too. I already got burnt twice with the active fuel management crap in my tahoe, lifter failure..... I went reluctantly all in on this 2.7L.....so fingers crossed.
I have both a 5.3 and a couple of 2.7 in GMC pickups. I would take the 2.7 over the 5.3 for everyday driving and also for towing. My 2.7 is faster than my 5.3 but then again I am at 5300 feet. The 2.7 never shifts out of top gear in the mountains.
I am from switzerland and used to mountain roads. I do prefer manual transmissions over 6, 8 or even 10 speed transmissions. I dare say a good old 6 speed manual is still the best and most efficient option to drive. Love watching your videos, thanks for your effort to creat such interesting content.
I wonder what the 2.7 could do mileage wise with a standard trans it seems if I don't push the truck hard on the interstate and stick to around 70 after 10 miles or so it's indicating north of 25 mpg
The 10 speed transmission ratios in the 5.3 probably helped more around town. Would be interesting to know what the first couple of gears in each transmission are to make a comparison.
Gotta say very impressive for the little turbo 4 & i actually thought it would get out muscled big time because of its size! But wow what an incredible little engine! I guess size doesn't really matter unless its your bank account!👍✌️
Nice video. So my take is it’s all about the horsepower. Truck people (I’m a truck person too) tend to want to make it about torque but horsepower determines your speed and with essentially identical trucks with the one exception being 40 some more hp then there should be no surprise about which one feels better driving. The turbo so making the difference out on the Highway with the grades especially because like you said it’s just pushing more boost. I would also say the 2.7 has a gearing advantage in-spite of having two less transmission gears. The 8L90 and 10L80 have very similar gear ratios. The 10 speed has an extra OD gear but essentially they are very similar. And having the 3.42 rear gear no doubt was helping on the grades. The 3.42 is available with the 5.3 and 10 speed but you have to get the max tow option.
You'd have to compare gear ratios in the 8 and 10 speeds, I suspect some of the better towing in town is the 10 speed having lower ratio first gear as well as closer ratios with more gears to choose from.
The 2.7 has the low end torque which I enjoy when towing our travel trailer. I love the V8 more so the 5.0 Ford and a fan of the 5.7 Ram. But once I was given a 2019 3.5 F150 it was a game changer. And my own truck today is a F150 2.7.
Would the 2.7 turbo wear the main bearings faster though. Seems like a lotta stress on the lower end of that engine at lower RPM pulling 8 thousand pounds.
Just found the channel, lovin' it! Would you trust a used 2.7L GM 4-cyl or a 2.7L Ford 6-cyl more in a used truck of around 120K miles. Both trucks are 2018's. Advantages and disadvantages of each?
Great video. If you had a 3.73 or at least a 3.42 on the 5.3 it may have pulled a little better on the grades but not sure how the 10 speed trans is as my 15' Sierra 5.3 with Max Trailering has a 6 speed and 3.73 and I tow 7600 pounds but I'm on my second 5.3 and I am happy with the performance and reliability of the truck and engine.
You can make a smaller displacement engine make more power but long term durability will be the determining factor to me. What happens at 100, 200 or 300,000 km of working, how do the the bearings and rings stand up over the long term, only time will tell.
Go learn about the way the 2.7 is built. It's basically a 4 cylinder diesel with spark plugs. Nodular iron spincast cylinders, pistons with iron carriers cast into them that carry the piston rings, forged crankshaft, forged connecting rods, forged mainbearing caps, big heavy head bolts, etc. It's not a 4-banger they pulled from an Equinox and threw a turbo on. Plus it doesn't have an oil pump belt like a 2.7EB or 5.0 Coyote.
@@hochhaul Glad I made the right choice by trading in my 5.3 that I didn't destroy by changing oil @ 6,000 miles / 20%. Lord knows what happens w/ unknown owner #2 ......... wish I could know. Glad the '23 2.7 doesn't possess collapsing lifters, although I had no issue w/ them,..... I just didn't care to gamble after drivetrain warranty expired.
It’s built with far better materials than any of their V8 engines. It’s super durable and there are a lot of trucks out there with 200,000 miles on it. I was skeptical at first but I’ve owned three Silverado’s with a 2.7 and they’re awesome.
I don't know if I would go that far just yet. it does seem like the 2.7L is a reliable unit to this point but only time will tell. But I completely agree the 5.3L is nowhere near as reliable as they used to be which is sad tbh.
I don't know about all that; What I do know is when I bought my 03 Silverado new; I told myself that this is last new truck I'm buying. I only have a little over 81,000 on the clock, & I've been retired for 5 years now, The truck is only used mostly for towing my travel trailer now , & with that few miles on it I think it will be the last new truck; Seeing how I'm on the short side life now. I did get I with the tow package, & do regular pm's on the vehicle😉.
Trust me, keep the truck, I bought a 2003 new, a 2500hd with the 6 liters, that I kept for 13 years, traded it for a2015 3500 Duramax , in order to pull a heavier fifth-wheel, well, I still cry over selling my 2500-6liters@@ACF6180T
The 2014+ 5.3 is fine, you just have to change the oil more often than what the life meter says. The biggest cause of lifter failures is sludge clogging the tiny oil passages or fuel dilution causing wear in the lifter. The engine needs to stay clean inside.
As a 2.7 owner, I disagree with it being reliable. I am already on my 2nd warranty repair on the engine before 36k miles. While the engine itself might be fine, all the emissions equipment to support it is terrible.
I’ve had a 2009, 2012, 2014 & 2015 all with the 5.3. Never experienced a lifter failure, but I was always worried about it. Stepped up to a 2021 with the 3.0. Favorite no doubt. Now have a 2022 with the 2.7, I have towed several times with it probably around 7k lbs. I prefer the 2.7 towing and daily driving over the 5.3. Hwy mpg I average 21, the 5.3 best I ever got was 19. Not a big difference. If diesel $$ never shot up, I’d still own that duramax though. I’d worry more about the 8spd transmission than the 2.7 engine. Transmission is very finicky. Put the 10spd with the 2.7 and I think they can drop the old 5.3 from the lineup. Just my .02
I know a ton of guys with 2014+ trucks with the 5.3. None of them have had a lifter issue. The biggest difference I think is that they change their oil every 3-4k miles. They're older so they always changed their oil that often. I've owned two of the newer 5.3 and haven't had a lifter issue either. I started changing mine much more often just because it makes sense. Exxon Mobil put 520k miles on a 2015 Silverado 5.3 doing torture testing and never had a lifter issue and the engine looked immaculate when it was torn down. The lifters aren't an issue if the engine is kept clean. Short trips and extended oil change intervals causes the issues.
Hemi will slot in between the 5.3 and coyote. But it's kind of irrelevant now since it's being dropped in as little as maybe 4 months in favor of the 3L inline 6 hurricane engine. From what I read it was based solely on it not being able to meet the next emissions or fuel mileage mandates.
I have a 2019 5.3 with the 8 speed transmission. So far my experience with it has been underwhelming for a v8 truck. It does feel zippy around town and gets decent highway mpg, but I had to tow a U haul trailer not that long ago that probably came in around 3-4,000 pounds and the truck just didn’t feel like pulling it at all. Maybe it’s because I have a 5500 Cummins for a work truck and I’m used to the insane amount of torque that thing puts down, but you’d also figure the 5.3 is capable of handling less than half of its max tow capacity at the same time
I sort of had the same reaction as you. The 5.3 was fine nothing wrong with it but it did just feel a little underwhelming for a V8. Sounds great but the power just didnt seem to be there
Yea I would say the fact that you're used to a Cummins work truck is affecting your opinion of the 5.3. I never I had any sense that the 5.3+8-speed was working hard at all pulling that kind of weight.
@@GettysGarage That might be so if you place an order at a dealership. However; when I was looking at dealer stock, the 2.7s were about 10 thousand less. The 2.7s also had the lower trim levels as well. The “Custom” for instance.
@@dutch4117Exactly, it's not like you can go into the dealership and pick what engine you want. You pick the truck and the V8s are in the higher trim$.
The sticker price may be only $1200 more on the 5.3 but in reality it is always 3-4k more due to additional rebates to try and sell the 2.7 since nobody really likes the idea of a 4 in a full size
I remember I drove it for a weekend in the winter and the fuel economy was decent but not great. But for those with a lot of city driving in the 2.7 will be much better then the V8 options
I have a 24 Colorado l3b 2.7L 4cyl high output 8spd 3.42 and my father has 2024 Silverado 5.3L 10Spd 3.23. Towing a 4,200lbs SxS with trailer going 75mph at sea level in 80° weather the Colorado stayed at speed and never downshifted on all the over passes and hills at 2,200rpm. My dad’s Silverado downshifted 2 gears in every hill and overpass up to 3,800rpm and 2,800rpm when settled, we were in shock we’ve only ever owned v8s. At 80mph same results on the Colorado at 2,500rpm never down shifted and maintained 80mph without a downshift or anything and the Silverado on flat areas tried to stay at 2,800rpm at 80mph but randomly would downshift and stay at 3,500 rpm’s even on flat roads at 80mph just trying to maintain the speed and stay at 3,500rpm for a long time. We couldn’t believe the 2.7L towed way better than the 5.3L. The mpg was 1mpg better for the 5.3L. At 80mph the Silverado struggled to maintain speed always having to downshift even on long flat roads out of nowhere. We still can’t believe it. Got the Colorado to try something different and coming from a 2024 2500 high country Duramax myself this little 2.7 tows like a small diesel. Very impressed
I liked the 5.3 back in the early 2000’s when it was the “vortec” I had an 02 with 5.3 and it was a beast, and super reliable for me. Now days the 5.3 is a grocery grabber / mom engine. My company vehicle is a tahoe with 5.3 and it sucks to daily drive. I absolutely hate the cylinder deactivation, which translates into alot of hesitation and poor performance. The 5.3 imo is now obsolete.
very much agree. the 5.3L is almost living on it's legacy. the old early 2000's 5.3L engine were fantastic units. today with the lifter issues they are a shell of what they once used to be.
On the 2012 sierra i have eith the 5.3 and the 4 cylinder mode (i put the gear selector into M5, and that allows the automatic trans NOT to go into M6. (thats the gear it drops you into 4 cyl mode) hope that helps.
@@alfredoverno9674 Did that also. It's true. I believe it works w/ Dynamic Fuel Management 5.3 engines beginning in 2019. 8 speed? keep in 7th, & will result in keeping in V8. Don't know about 10 speeds w/ cylinder deactivation.
how did it compare rpms wise to the 5.0 coyote? i know the coyote was a little higher than the 3.5eb but i thought they were plenty low. but i do live in a flat area also so...
I would be interested to see transmission temperatures at the top of those long hills. I can confirm that fuel economy while towing is similar to my 2019 ram 1500 5.7, but everyday driving unloaded fuel economy is definitely better
The 5.3 with 10 speed operates around 150 Fahrenheit without towing, the 2.7T with 8 speed operates at around 195-200 Fahrenheit without towing so the 2.7T i think would be much higher.
@@lonemillenial2707 The 8-speed even with the 2.7T should be similar to the 10-speed. The one you got those temps with probably has the old transmission cooler bypass or it's sticking and not keep the trans cool.
@@hochhaul negative, that is brand new 2024. The 2.7T runs hotter due to the active thermal valve which the 5.3 doesnt have. The active thermal valve intentionally heats up the transmission on the 2.7T and 3.0 diesel to 195-200F( both same valve type). The 5.3/6.2 have a Thermostat and run much cooler. This is from first hand experience, driving these vehicles every day at work.
Had a 2019 RST with the max trailering and the 5.3. Never suffered from lack of power pulling a 7500lb travel trailer, but my god the suspension was lacking, even after the addition of super springs. The sag and sway, even with an equalizer was terrible. Upgraded to a 1 ton.
5.3 a 10spd? the 2.7t is 8...could be why you liked the city light to light dynamic? I have the 2.7t in refresh 430 ft/lb and it's been awesome, my buddy has the 5.3, also good, they are comparable. We drag ice fishing trailers around all winter and for plenty of fall hunting trips also. The 2.7t is quieter and more relaxed, does more work at lower rpm, I usually put a few less litres of gas in at the mid point fill ups also, and I'm lifted 4' on 33x10's, his is stock, his trailer may be a little heavier but my truck is also heavier, ext. cab vs crew cab and I carry a 400 lb fuel tank in back also. the 2.7t is the top 1/2 ton motor imo. Boost is better than cylinders, it overcomes elevation by only losing 0.05% power every 1000' elevation where NA engines lose 3%....so I have way more torque at 4000' than the 5.3, like 90 ft/lbs and at 1100 rpm less also. The 5.0 coyote is getting thrashed hard by drag racing guys so sounds like a good option if NA is a must. There's also no known warranty issues with the 2.7t and gm engineers said it's one of only 2 engines they couldn't kill in their torture testing. The 5.3/6.2 have common warranty issues like lifters etc. and the 2.7t doesn't even have lifters. No one talks about the light weight front end of the 2.7t also, very nice off-road and just daily squirting around town. It's all win with that motor, built like a diesel without the diesel headaches, long strong big jugs inline single turbo...cummins style. The 5.3/6.2 are short stroke engines, most of the competition is this way. Gm did it right and they truly built a great 'truck' engine!
2022 sierra 2.7, the only bummer on the 1500 (crew cab) is the lack of suspension support. Over 6k she squats bad, although still manages to stay off the bumpstops
Why? Can't manage to keep your oil changed as often as it should be? Defective lifters fail at very low mileage. Lifters that fail at 30... 60... 90k miles.... those lifters fail because the clown that owned the truck wasn't changing the oil often enough. Interesting how Exxon Mobil can put 520k miles on a 2015 Silverado 5.3 without a single lifter failure but some neckbeard that thinks 7k mile oil changes is just fine because it's synthetic has a lifter issue and throws an 80iq temper tantrum online and blames the problems he caused on the lifters.
Turbo stays spooled up on the highway, not when its in stop and go city driving is why it then feels sluggish. The longevity issue on the 5.3 V8 is with the special lifters used for active fuel management (they have had lots of issues) with failing lifters.
I had a 23 with the 2.7 for 6 months and was okay until the weather warned up and I had to use the a/c all the time. That's when the milage went south and I realized that this engine was going to be a gas hog even under a light load so I traded it in for an LT with a 5.3 and it's getting better milage and more smiled per mile than that 2.7 did.
I got 23 2.7 and love it. It's cooled down a lil here in Florida and haven't been running my ac. To confirm what you said, I've gained over 2 miles per gallon average. 20 to 22 mpgs. Either way good mpgs for a fullsize in my opinion.
What people are not realizing, you can lug the 2.7 around town easily while being effective in accelerating and not killing the engine doing so. You dont need rpm even when not in boost
Ok..Checked the specs on 2.7 turbomax engine..Forged crank,heavy rods,steel liners...Ok Sold...But everyone should know..Octane and upper cylinder fuel additives a must for this engine under heavy boost conditions..Full syn oil changes every 5,000 miles..Dont miss these....
I have a g2022 with the 4cyl I tow a 6900 pound camper and i am pleased with the towing the ,pg towing is a little disapointing but its tall so lots of wind resistiance but I do like the engin
Why do you say that? Almost all GM half-tons sold since 2019 have 3.23's. You can get 3.42's if you give up the 2-speed transfer case, but with 8-speeds and 10-speeds, it's almost pointless anymore, which is why all of them are cutting down on the number of axles ratios that are offered.
I can average about 23.5mpg driving from Western Pennsylvania to Columbus area and back to WPA... around town not so much, if its in the boost it drinks fuel. 2023 2.7l
I had a 2014 5.3 and 21 was the norm for my driving style and truck setup. The 2019 5.3 + 8 -speed I currently have gets 22 to 23 unloaded, completely stock. My personal best so far is 26 mpg over the 400 mile average (or whatever the longest average setting is) using premium and going for the best mileage possible.
The GLARING issue is not whether or which engine has better towing characteristics. The question everyone should be asking is when has GM ever produced a small displacement forced induction motor that wasnt a completed turd when it came to reliability.
@@drooskeedoo3388 2020 Camaro bought new and driven hard but maintained meticulously. Test drove the same model with the v6 and was thoroughly underwhelmed. Mild tuning and a bigger throttle body woke it up even further. GM purposely detuned that motor and put a smaller throttle body on it to restrict power so that it wasn't vastly more powerful than the V, which was supposed to be an"upgrade"from the turbo 4. Even in stock form, the 4 banger made more torque. After a mild tune and bigger throttle body, it ate the v6 for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. The V didn't make power until almost 4k rpm. The turbo motor had nearly full torque at 1800rpm.
2.7 turbo makes 430 ft lbs of torque @ 3,000 rpm's. 5.3 makes 383 ft lbs torque @ 4,100 rpm's. The door jamb sticker states tow rating. To find your answer, I'd test drive a used 2.7 turbo H.O. (broke in, over 500 miles on odo) & tow, so you will have something to compare to. Or, just erroneously believe more cylinders equal more torque / towing.
@@ews360 power ratings mean little if it doesn't last. I have a 19 year old truck that asks little and keeps pulling. I'd take that over a monthly payment and questionable reliability.
Car and Driver tested a 2019 Silverado 5.3 against a 2019 Ram 1500 5.7 and they were virtually tied in acceleration numbers. That isn't a dog and most truck buyers aren't street racing.
5.3 likes to wind up! They respond great to 4.10 gears to reach it peak HP @5600 rpm and TQ @4100 rpm. 2.7 hits peak TQ much sooner and it has lower gears.
I saw the 2.7L Turbo 4 cyl. review and pull test and this Chevy 5.3L. A few words to the longevity would have been nice. I remain biased against the carbon buildup from direct injection. When the pull ability on the 200 km loop test between the 2 is such a toss off minor difference, I'm still in the 5.3L camp. BUT!!!, when you say it is natural aspirated my question remains ( exposing my ignorance here), is the 5.3 fuel injected just NOT direct injected? Longevity/reliability remains very important over 1 or 2 miles per gallon less on the 5.3. Thanks for what I consider very thorough reviews!
Another great video Alex! Please do a 5.7 hemi sometime too with that exact load/test :). For the power differences, keep in mind that unless you're going WOT, you're not making 430 lb/ft of torque at 2000 RPMs. You're making less, so the the v8 is probably putting more torque/power down in the city because both engines are not at full throttle. That's why its so silly for us truck guys to fixate on a single number, you only get that number at WOT at a certain RPM, those specs never tell the whole story as you've demonstrated here. Also, the 2.7 is impressive in a way since you're out here comparing it to the V8 whereas GM designed it as a base engine to replace the v6 4.3. I'm sure the little 2.7 crushes that v6.
2.7 turbo produces it's 430 ft lb of torque @ 3,000 rpm's, & 5.3 produces it's 383 ft lbs of torque @ 4,100 rpm's. Payload & tow ratings similar, & a couple better mpg, all for $6k less, (40,000 miles worth of 87 octane gasoline). I found less torque, similar performance for more $ to be a bad choice. Stellantis discontinued Hemi V8. Replaced w/ 3.0 liter twin turbo inline 6. Ten yrs ago Ford began 2.7 liter twin turbo V6, (makes 30 less ft lbs torque than GM turbomax). 5.3 is 25 yr old design. Will be discontinued soon.
It's going to be pretty similar other than the Colorado being a lower GVWR. Same engine and transmission. The Colorado suspension and curb weight will cause it to handle the same trailer slightly worse compared to the Silverado.
Greetings Alex. I do not; but i like 5.3 l (súper ratón) 👍 but new technology development is imponent. And my smile is big; where work is done with great savings. Maintenance intervals and their costs, as well as long-term reliability and performance will surely be important to accentuate the best purchasing decision with the best cost-benefit ratio.
hey , i need your opinion im all torn! i want a 6 seater crew cab 6feet bed i dont tow to much at first i was looking at midsize for mpg but i rather have a full size i look at mpg and longevity of the truck im going to buy a new truck but i hope i can have it for 20year, i live in quebec in the country i need someting taught i dont care about equipement like fancy stuff! ty!
Traded my '16 @ 70k miles b4 that occurred. Oil change interval @ 7,500 miles not advisable. I did 6k miles. Traded in on 430 ft lb torque 2.7 turbo. Gained over 10% torque, similar payload & towing as V8, $6k less.
Seat of the pants feel, my 2021 2.7 feels noticeably faster than my 2018 5.3 was. Doesn’t really mean much to me as I felt the 5.3 was plenty quick and I’m not looking to race them anyway
Change your oil more often and you won't have to worry about lifter issues. If you live in a cold climate or drive a lot of short trips, change the oil every 3 to 4k miles. In the summer you can stretch it out to 5k max. Exxon Mobil torture tests vehicles with their engine oils. They torture tested a 2015 Silverado with the 5.3 and put 520k miles on the truck without a single lifter issue. They tore the engine down and showed all the parts. They were in perfect condition. The biggest difference between what they had and what the average 5.3 that has a lifter problem is that the engine with the lifter problem is driven on short trips in cold weather and can develop sludge if the oil isn't changed much more often.
My buddy has the 2.7l (2022 I think) and they sold him on the be it would tow as much as the 5.3 he traded in. Yah it might but it gets about 6/7 mpg while towing our two snowmobiles and aluminum trailer so 2000lbs max and it gets 7mpg and was running out of power going up hills while.my 5 year older 5.3L gets 16 mpg towing the exact same trailer on the exact same route and has power to accelerate up hill. Weight of trailer is one thing but a camper or enclosed trailer also has drag working like a wind sail sometimes. For me I'm buying a full size truck I want a full size motor . For years the 4.3L was the go to for a v6 in Chevy trucks to save gas and price and it was probably too reliable so gm axed it once they had it producing 300+HP . " "Gee if our engines last 300,000 miles that's money out of our pocket let's get rid of it"
I'm going to guess youre close to sea level where youre located? I wonder if the turbo would really shine at higher altitudes, like where I am at 1000m above sea level in Alberta?
Also longer stroke at the same RPM= higher piston speeds. Hopefully GM accounted for that with their piston rings and liners between the 2.7 and 5.3. If they didn’t than the 2.7 won’t have the same longevity.
430lbft@1500-4000rpm will always be more capable that 383lbft@4100. Torque at rpm is HP. HP doesn't mean more capable. I laughed my ass off with your "prediction" of the 2.7 was going to wind up and rev all day long. The reason the 5.3 makes more HP than the 2.7 is because it has 8 cylinders working together making more torque at the top end of the rpm band. 5.3 V8 355hp@5600rpm is 332lbft 2.7 I4 turbo 310hp@5600rpm is 290lbft Clearly the V8 can make more torque at the top. Same story as the Duramax and Powerstroke vs the Cummins. As far as bottom 'ends go both have 5 main bearings. The 5.3 is just as complicated as the turbo, and they are both littered with serious issues. I'll keep my 9.5l/100km 3.5L Ecoboost and 9.6l/100km 6.7 Powerstroke. 500lbft@3100rpm(more than 450lbft@2000rpm) and 1050lbft@1600rpm(more than 1000lbft from 1400-2400rpm). The get up and go is a preference, "more hp" doesn't apply to this "pulling away from a light". What you feel is the N/A almost instantaneous torque generation. The turbocharged engine will alway out work the N/A. Every truck with a turbo(diesel) has delay. Everyone lives with it, fun doesn't pay the bills(just like chrome and chicken lights)
Yeah man I've laughed at a lot of stuff this guy has said. I believe in an earlier video about the 2.7 he was so amazed and impressed that the 2.7 came mounted longitudinally. Like did you really expect a rwd based truck to come with the engine mounted horizontally? Lost all credibility to me at that point...
@Wade-lk4yo he makes mistakes, he is human. It's scripted(to a degree) and he says the wrong word. In dont get critical about that. Also he he has his own opinion. We're all aloud to have that. I try not to come off as "he is wrong" but someone always takes it that way in the comments. Lol. He is doing this on the side, on his own time, sometimes with someone's personal truck. He is doing a good job, and not just spewing BS online like so many other "content creators" do. Even though I don't share similar views(Cummins is not the best, FAR FROM IT) with him, I still subscribe and support him(just with minor criticism here and there). I give him an A for effort, B- for non-biased info, and a C for speed of testing. This is not his fault trucks can be hard to get hands on for testing)
First of all I appreciate the kind words sir! I guess when I tested the 2.7L I just had little faith in only 4 cylinders but as I found out real quick the 2.7L was no joke and pulls real nice at low rpm's. but yes the torque difference was hugely evident and the 5.3L simply lacked when pulling up some hills. Now as for the "off the line" acceleration someone pointed out that the 10 speed transmission may also give the 5.3L a gearing advantage vs the 8 speed with the 2.7L but I agree with you the N/A power is just more accessible. But without a doubt the lifter issues on the 5.3L and the 6.2L are a huge problem. but finally I will say as I keep testing more engines and trucks I have a growing appreciation of the Ecoboost and the 6.7L Powerstroke. Both engines pulled like a freighttrain in comparison to other engines in the segment.
Torque at 1500 RPM is pointless if the transmission will never let the RPM dip that low under full throttle. In case you aren't aware, those torque numbers you mention are only possible at wide open throttle. What happens when you press the throttle to the floor? The engine downshifts to the lowest gear possible for the current vehicle speed and load on the vehicle. That ain't going to be anywhere near 1500 RPM. That's the problem with all these crazy low RPM torque numbers with new turbocharged engines, whether it's Ford, GM or Toyota. They all know you will never be in a situation outside taking off from a stop where you will benefit from the torque below the stall point of the torque converter and it's only if you are the kind of nut job that presses the throttle all the way to the floor when taking off from a stop while towing. Gale Banks did a great video on this subject because it applies to both gas and diesel engines with automatic transmissions.
@hochhaul you can have engine load at 100% WITHOUT flooring it(WOT). So it is possible, also the "manual mode" will hold a gear if you telling too. The FACT that the 2.7 can make more torque at 2500rpm than the 5.3 can at 4100 great. It great for the same reason an LB7 was more efficient and capable than the 8.1. Torque is what does the work. HP is just torque at rpm ove time.
If I was going to tow an 8000 lb trailer on a regular basis I really would prefer to have a 3/4 ton gasser. Especially since a travel trailer is going to have a lot more wind resistance. But how about doing this test with a 6.2L with 3.42 rear end. I had a 2016 5.3/6 speed/3.42 and it was a weak engine for towing, especially in the mountains. My 2019 6.2/10 speed/3.42 is a beast when it comes to towing. It would leave that 2.7 in the dust.
Yes I'm trying to get a second trailer specifically for better wind resistance because I think at highway speeds it will make a large difference. Also I've driven the 6.2 and that thing is no joke. She pulls hard
Can't beat a V8. You can wind up a 4banger to impressive amounts of power, but you are still asking each cylinder to bear the strain and stress of 2 cylinders. Add to that the increased complexity of a turbo and ancillary components and the number of failure points increases dramatically.
Seriously, the weak link is in the 8speed transmission. V8 with the 10 speed is the only way to go. Better yet a 6speed combo with the non lt trail boss and work truck with the 5.3 were a carryover from the the last generation.
I'll take the 8-speed over the 6-speed all day every day. The 6L80 is only tolerable after it's tuned by someone that knows what they're doing and it's had the trans cooler bypass thermostat swapped out so it doesn't get cooked to death.
LOL why are you ranking the 4.3 above the 6.2 or 5.3? They all use the same lifters. 99% of AFM/DFM lifter failures that occur at higher mileage are due to people not changing their oil often enough. The system has tiny oil passages and screens that get clogged up with the soot and sludge that accumulates when the oil is left in the engine too long. Engine oil filters are useless at capturing these contaminants. Every time someone on here says they had a 5.3 with a lifter problem, it turns out that they were going 6k or 7k miles between oil changes. That's the fastest way to a lifter problem.
The 5.3 with basic regular maintenance will be going strong at 250,000 miles. The boosted mouse motor will be in its second, possibly third rebuild and third turbo...assuming anyone is willing to spend that kind of money on it At 130k miles the V8 will be worth 30 to 50% more than the mouse motor, assuming the latter is still intact. Already seeing this at auctions every week with Fords.
Bro the 5.3 is why GMs reliability ratings are tanking. You know AFM lifter failure. Who wants to deal with that Sh!t. The 4.3 was more reliable and I'm betting this engine will be as well.
@@danielbonner8309 The VAST majority of DoD LS engines run a quarter million miles. The deletion of DoD is easy, especially compared to Ford cam phaser issues, or any service o boosted 4/6 cyl engins. Reliability and market strength are easy to discern at the auction block and LS trucks rule that. Boosted mouse motors are hard to get rid of at fire-sale prices, but you tell yourself whatever you need to hear.
@@scottysgarage4393 Your talking the auction block, I'm talking about reliability. I understand there is a big stigma over a 4cyl in a fullsize. Many people will never like that and that's understandable. It's hard to believe that a boosted 4 will fair better than a na 8 Ls. Time will tell if this is a viable workhorse or a failed science experiment.
I have owned two trucks with the 5.3L...not bad. Never had any issues. My latest truck is a 2021 GMC Sierra AT4 with the 6.2L. Again, no issues. It is not a "flex fuel" vehicle like the 5.3L ones. And the owners manual says not to use ethanol mixed fuels. Actually, it says for max fuel mileage and performance -- 93 octane. Indeed, feed it 93 octane pump gas (non ethanol) and it is one quick truck. I disabled the auto start/stop and AFM cylinder deactivation. CAI, canned tune, and exhaust. I am sure the 2.7L is quite fine for what it can do...but, would never own a full size truck without a V8. In the Colorado/Canyon size pickup trucks...yeh, turbo 2.7L makes more sense.
I've got a 2004 5.3 4wd long bed. Truck has 724,000 miles. I'm on my 3rd 5.3 motor. 1st went 365,000. 2nd used had 135,000 when I put it in. I added about 160,000 before pulling it for 3rd motor. It had 102, 000 miles when we dropped it in. So far it's a win win 5.3 I have no complaints.. Trump 2024💯🇺🇸
I really like my 5.3 engine in my 2018 Silverado 4X4 which has 190,000 miles and has no issues whatsoever like my 2014 Silverado 4X4. Being old school at 76 years old, we older folks always want a bigger engine with more power like Tim "The toolman" Taylor. If I had a Big Block 396 I would be king of the hill to have it in my truck.
The 536 speed and the 53 in general, is designed to drive and be an everyday truck. Not an everyday tower, quite frankly. If you're looking for something to tell you're not going to buy a 53, you're not going to buy a 5.0 and even a 5.7, it is not your best bet we all know that diesel is the best way to go if you're towing. But when it comes to the 53 Chevy, 6 speed can't be an everyday truck.
I thought about it, but I thought it would be cool to see how the 4 cylinder stacks up to a "traditional" pickup truck engine. but I haved towing with the 5L and it pulls better.
This video confirmed what I felt all along about the revised 2.7 with 430 ft lbs of torque. I was intrigued enough where I found myself trading my Chevy Colorado 3.6 towards purchasing a Chevy Silverado Custom Double Cab 2.7. I purchased this truck for my Hot Shot business where I do light towing and hauling on demand. Everything mentioned in this video, I can confirm. I have driven (rented) the 5.3 several times and comparing the two drivetrains, I find the 2.7 much more relaxing to operate. The 5.3 is slightly faster as shown but the 2.7 is a more relaxed cruiser. Some might say the mileage between these two drivetrains is negligible, but the 1 to 3 extra MPG highway in favor of the 2.7 is money in my pocket. Like many thoughts, reliability remains the big gamble.
Awesome to hear you sort of confirm what I also felt when towing between these two engines. Nothing wrong with the 5.3 but I genuinely felt like the 2.7L just pulled easier. As for reliability, so far it seems they are holding up but that is still to be determined
The 5.3L actually gets better real world fuel economy both while towing and on the highway, so in this use case the extra 1-3 mpg is in favor of the V8. Anyone can see the V8 advantage by comparing EPA ratings for 2023 2.7 and 5.3 Silverados with matching options like 4WD and mud terrain tires. In this case the 2.7 is rated 17 CITY / 18 HWY while the 5.3 is rated 16 CITY / 20 HWY
@@rotaryenginepete This may be true concerning the EPA on the stickers of the vehicle used by the OP. I was only referencing my personal experience between the vehicles I have rented (Silverado 5.3 extended cab) and my particular Silverado 2.7.
The system that shuts down cylinders is a problem
@colbiecolbie6979 gen 2 5.0 great power with tuning cast iron sleeves no cyl deactivation gen 3 even better with u get a proper built one!
When the 2.7L 4-Cyl Turbo first came out, I read the specs. The GM came out with a video of the spec, and basically this is a 4-cyl diesel that has spark plugs, and runs on gas! From the very design of the block up it is built like a diesel engine. So it makes perfect sense for this engine to perform like it does, it is not a typical 4-cyl.
Ya but I want some real world costs of fixing that engine lol
@@matthew7972 I understand there are always questions with new technology? One of other things mentioned in the GM review video was how they test all their engines, especially for trucks, and heavy duty applications. They max test them on the dyno until they break! The engineer said that the 2.7L turbo was the only one that didn’t break! So I guess we’ll see?
@@claytonsmith6148 ya I’m not doubting the engine. Just need to see the longevity of it. Hell, the 5.3L v8 has been around forever and still has issues
@@matthew7972zero dollars til it’s out of warranty which they bumped til 5 yrs
I owned the GMC Elevation 2.7 "2020" and you are absolutely correct. Engine is built as it were the Duramax minis the Diesel lol. Never had a problem with it. Great towing our 4500 lbs travel trailer. I turned in the truck back June of 2023 and now leasing the F150 2.7 which gets better city mpg's , perhaps it's due to the 10 spd. I was pissed with GMC getting rid of the center console for the 2.7 Elevation. So I changed trucks to the XLT Sport.
Ill trade the towing acceleration for an engine that can hold a gear all day long. I actually did. Traded my 2020 5.3 in for a 23 2.7. I had a 19 2.7 thay i missed.
Agreed
honestly what a great statement 100 percent agree
You love paying depreciation. That's an absurd waste of money flip flopping
1 month into owning my 23 LT w/ 2.7L and I love it. it is a really nice daily driver! so comfortable and responsive. A couple of weeks back we made our first trip with it half way up Mt Hood here in Oregon with our #6000 TT for a camping trip. From where I live to where we camped on Hood, there was a number of 6%+/- grades that normally tasked the heck out of my 08 Tahoe LT 5.3L when towing this same trailer. My 23 LT hit these same grades so much easier, 2500-3000 rpm ripping along at 60mph comfortably. My 08 Tahoe would be about 3800+ rpm at about 45 mph, and really working hard.
The Tahoe is NOT meant to tow like this.
Thanks for the video comparison! Interesting.
I was shocked how well the 2.7L pulled a heavy load. and in my opinion at highway speeds pull much better then the 5.3L which was a surprise to me. maybe GM knows what they are doing lol
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Hahaha I hope so too. I already got burnt twice with the active fuel management crap in my tahoe, lifter failure..... I went reluctantly all in on this 2.7L.....so fingers crossed.
What is the highest miles that anyone has on the 2.7L. Will it make it to the 200k mark do you think?
I'm 16 months in with my 2023 2.7L LT and I have put 33K miles on it. It has been great so far. 163K more to go.
I have owned two Silverado pickups. The 5.3 has provided me with exceptional service.
I have both a 5.3 and a couple of 2.7 in GMC pickups. I would take the 2.7 over the 5.3 for everyday driving and also for towing. My 2.7 is faster than my 5.3 but then again I am at 5300 feet. The 2.7 never shifts out of top gear in the mountains.
How about for reliability?
I have 172,000 on my 5.3 , no issues and love it !
I am from switzerland and used to mountain roads.
I do prefer manual transmissions over 6, 8 or even 10 speed transmissions. I dare say a good old 6 speed manual is still the best and most efficient option to drive.
Love watching your videos, thanks for your effort to creat such interesting content.
Thank you sir! Yes a good manual transmission gives you alot of control. But I feel like nowadays people enjoy just letting the truck do all the work
As my dad said, "there's other things I'd rather do than shift all the time."
A manual 6 speed vs auto 6, yes. Manual 6 vs 8 or 10 speed auto? Not a chance. There is no replacement for those extra gears.
I wonder what the 2.7 could do mileage wise with a standard trans it seems if I don't push the truck hard on the interstate and stick to around 70 after 10 miles or so it's indicating north of 25 mpg
yea no... auto transmissions can spool a bigger turbo and a 10 speed auto is unbeatable in pickups
I own the 2.7L and absolutely love it. Will be getting another this winter.
The 10 speed transmission ratios in the 5.3 probably helped more around town. Would be interesting to know what the first couple of gears in each transmission are to make a comparison.
Amazing information and review as always! Thanks for your thorough informative reviews and test!
Gotta say very impressive for the little turbo 4 & i actually thought it would get out muscled big time because of its size! But wow what an incredible little engine! I guess size doesn't really matter unless its your bank account!👍✌️
Nice video. So my take is it’s all about the horsepower. Truck people (I’m a truck person too) tend to want to make it about torque but horsepower determines your speed and with essentially identical trucks with the one exception being 40 some more hp then there should be no surprise about which one feels better driving.
The turbo so making the difference out on the Highway with the grades especially because like you said it’s just pushing more boost. I would also say the 2.7 has a gearing advantage in-spite of having two less transmission gears. The 8L90 and 10L80 have very similar gear ratios. The 10 speed has an extra OD gear but essentially they are very similar. And having the 3.42 rear gear no doubt was helping on the grades. The 3.42 is available with the 5.3 and 10 speed but you have to get the max tow option.
You'd have to compare gear ratios in the 8 and 10 speeds, I suspect some of the better towing in town is the 10 speed having lower ratio first gear as well as closer ratios with more gears to choose from.
I think you are probably bang on there. I would suspect the 10 speed's first gear is a little more aggressive then the 8 speeds.
Need to do a 2.7 ecoboost next
I have a 5.3 yukon xl with the max tow package. My wife tows her 8k horse trailer daily and has no complaints.
A helpful and entertaining comparison :) thanks!
Oh thank you Lindsay!
The 2.7 has the low end torque which I enjoy when towing our travel trailer. I love the V8 more so the 5.0 Ford and a fan of the 5.7 Ram. But once I was given a 2019 3.5 F150 it was a game changer. And my own truck today is a F150 2.7.
Would the 2.7 turbo wear the main bearings faster though. Seems like a lotta stress on the lower end of that engine at lower RPM pulling 8 thousand pounds.
potentially but from what I've read the internals on this 2.7L are pretty stout components.
Just found the channel, lovin' it!
Would you trust a used 2.7L GM 4-cyl or a 2.7L Ford 6-cyl more in a used truck of around 120K miles. Both trucks are 2018's.
Advantages and disadvantages of each?
Like to see a direct comparison with the 3.0 Duramax diesel. To me that engine the only way to go.
I really like that 3L I think GM really nailed that engine. But yes that would be a great comparison video
Not until GM recognizes that burning a quart of oil every 1000 miles is unacceptable.
@@SGTOldSchool96there is a TSB out for that in the LM2. It traces back to a bad weld in the valve cover.
Yes it is a great tower, but the emissions ruin it
@@SGTOldSchool96 That was due to a defective valve cover. TSB and new part addresses the issue.
I’ve had both the 5.3 and the 2.7 and I like them both.
Great video. If you had a 3.73 or at least a 3.42 on the 5.3 it may have pulled a little better on the grades but not sure how the 10 speed trans is as my 15' Sierra 5.3 with Max Trailering has a 6 speed and 3.73 and I tow 7600 pounds but I'm on my second 5.3 and I am happy with the performance and reliability of the truck and engine.
The 90s and 99-06 gm vehicles were pretty good I had one it lasted to 320,000 miles before the original transmission started going out
this was an awesome review. thank you
You can make a smaller displacement engine make more power but long term durability will be the determining factor to me.
What happens at 100, 200 or 300,000 km of working, how do the the bearings and rings stand up over the long term, only time will tell.
Standard GM self destruct is 10 years old or 225 000 km 😂
@@jimmyjames86115 years if it has cylinder deactivation like this engine does.
Go learn about the way the 2.7 is built. It's basically a 4 cylinder diesel with spark plugs. Nodular iron spincast cylinders, pistons with iron carriers cast into them that carry the piston rings, forged crankshaft, forged connecting rods, forged mainbearing caps, big heavy head bolts, etc. It's not a 4-banger they pulled from an Equinox and threw a turbo on. Plus it doesn't have an oil pump belt like a 2.7EB or 5.0 Coyote.
@@hochhaul Glad I made the right choice by trading in my 5.3 that I didn't destroy by changing oil @ 6,000 miles / 20%. Lord knows what happens w/ unknown owner #2 ......... wish I could know. Glad the '23 2.7 doesn't possess collapsing lifters, although I had no issue w/ them,..... I just didn't care to gamble after drivetrain warranty expired.
It’s built with far better materials than any of their V8 engines. It’s super durable and there are a lot of trucks out there with 200,000 miles on it. I was skeptical at first but I’ve owned three Silverado’s with a 2.7 and they’re awesome.
The 2.7 is one of the best engines GM has now , the 5.3 is nowhere near as reliable. This isn’t the old bulletproof 5.3 from pre 2007.
I don't know if I would go that far just yet. it does seem like the 2.7L is a reliable unit to this point but only time will tell. But I completely agree the 5.3L is nowhere near as reliable as they used to be which is sad tbh.
I don't know about all that; What I do know is when I bought my 03 Silverado new; I told myself that this is last new truck I'm buying. I only have a little over 81,000 on the clock, & I've been retired for 5 years now, The truck is only used mostly for towing my travel trailer now , & with that few miles on it I think it will be the last new truck; Seeing how I'm on the short side life now. I did get I with the tow package, & do regular pm's on the vehicle😉.
Trust me, keep the truck, I bought a 2003 new, a 2500hd with the 6 liters, that I kept for 13 years, traded it for a2015 3500 Duramax , in order to pull a heavier fifth-wheel, well, I still cry over selling my 2500-6liters@@ACF6180T
The 2014+ 5.3 is fine, you just have to change the oil more often than what the life meter says. The biggest cause of lifter failures is sludge clogging the tiny oil passages or fuel dilution causing wear in the lifter. The engine needs to stay clean inside.
As a 2.7 owner, I disagree with it being reliable. I am already on my 2nd warranty repair on the engine before 36k miles. While the engine itself might be fine, all the emissions equipment to support it is terrible.
I’ve had a 2009, 2012, 2014 & 2015 all with the 5.3. Never experienced a lifter failure, but I was always worried about it. Stepped up to a 2021 with the 3.0. Favorite no doubt. Now have a 2022 with the 2.7, I have towed several times with it probably around 7k lbs. I prefer the 2.7 towing and daily driving over the 5.3. Hwy mpg I average 21, the 5.3 best I ever got was 19. Not a big difference. If diesel $$ never shot up, I’d still own that duramax though. I’d worry more about the 8spd transmission than the 2.7 engine. Transmission is very finicky. Put the 10spd with the 2.7 and I think they can drop the old 5.3 from the lineup. Just my .02
I know a ton of guys with 2014+ trucks with the 5.3. None of them have had a lifter issue. The biggest difference I think is that they change their oil every 3-4k miles. They're older so they always changed their oil that often. I've owned two of the newer 5.3 and haven't had a lifter issue either. I started changing mine much more often just because it makes sense. Exxon Mobil put 520k miles on a 2015 Silverado 5.3 doing torture testing and never had a lifter issue and the engine looked immaculate when it was torn down. The lifters aren't an issue if the engine is kept clean. Short trips and extended oil change intervals causes the issues.
Just to round it out, let’s see how a Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi does.
100% Agree with this
I'm driving a Hemi. It's not drastically different than the 5.3.
I'm PUMPED to get the 5.7 Hemi on this towing loop.
Hemi will slot in between the 5.3 and coyote. But it's kind of irrelevant now since it's being dropped in as little as maybe 4 months in favor of the 3L inline 6 hurricane engine. From what I read it was based solely on it not being able to meet the next emissions or fuel mileage mandates.
Hemi. r.i.p.
I have a 2019 5.3 with the 8 speed transmission. So far my experience with it has been underwhelming for a v8 truck. It does feel zippy around town and gets decent highway mpg, but I had to tow a U haul trailer not that long ago that probably came in around 3-4,000 pounds and the truck just didn’t feel like pulling it at all. Maybe it’s because I have a 5500 Cummins for a work truck and I’m used to the insane amount of torque that thing puts down, but you’d also figure the 5.3 is capable of handling less than half of its max tow capacity at the same time
I sort of had the same reaction as you. The 5.3 was fine nothing wrong with it but it did just feel a little underwhelming for a V8. Sounds great but the power just didnt seem to be there
@@GettysGarageget the govt restrictions out of the way and these engines would be completely different
Yea I would say the fact that you're used to a Cummins work truck is affecting your opinion of the 5.3. I never I had any sense that the 5.3+8-speed was working hard at all pulling that kind of weight.
133,000 miles on my 5.3, no issues! 20’ bow tie
You also have to consider that the 2.7 is the no cost base engine
True. And the fact that it is constantly compared the V8s speaks pretty well to its capabilities.
Very true. Granted I don't think the 5.3 is that much cost for the upgrade. Like 1200 bucks I think
@@GettysGarage That might be so if you place an order at a dealership. However; when I was looking at dealer stock, the 2.7s were about 10 thousand less. The 2.7s also had the lower trim levels as well. The “Custom” for instance.
@@dutch4117Exactly, it's not like you can go into the dealership and pick what engine you want. You pick the truck and the V8s are in the higher trim$.
The sticker price may be only $1200 more on the 5.3 but in reality it is always 3-4k more due to additional rebates to try and sell the 2.7 since nobody really likes the idea of a 4 in a full size
I expected the V8 to do better than the 4cyl Turbo on fuel economy. I do know some that get outstanding economy from the 4cyl.
I remember I drove it for a weekend in the winter and the fuel economy was decent but not great. But for those with a lot of city driving in the 2.7 will be much better then the V8 options
I have a 24 Colorado l3b 2.7L 4cyl high output 8spd 3.42 and my father has 2024 Silverado 5.3L 10Spd 3.23. Towing a 4,200lbs SxS with trailer going 75mph at sea level in 80° weather the Colorado stayed at speed and never downshifted on all the over passes and hills at 2,200rpm. My dad’s Silverado downshifted 2 gears in every hill and overpass up to 3,800rpm and 2,800rpm when settled, we were in shock we’ve only ever owned v8s. At 80mph same results on the Colorado at 2,500rpm never down shifted and maintained 80mph without a downshift or anything and the Silverado on flat areas tried to stay at 2,800rpm at 80mph but randomly would downshift and stay at 3,500 rpm’s even on flat roads at 80mph just trying to maintain the speed and stay at 3,500rpm for a long time. We couldn’t believe the 2.7L towed way better than the 5.3L. The mpg was 1mpg better for the 5.3L. At 80mph the Silverado struggled to maintain speed always having to downshift even on long flat roads out of nowhere. We still can’t believe it. Got the Colorado to try something different and coming from a 2024 2500 high country Duramax myself this little 2.7 tows like a small diesel. Very impressed
I liked the 5.3 back in the early 2000’s when it was the “vortec”
I had an 02 with 5.3 and it was a beast, and super reliable for me.
Now days the 5.3 is a grocery grabber / mom engine. My company vehicle is a tahoe with 5.3 and it sucks to daily drive. I absolutely hate the cylinder deactivation, which translates into alot of hesitation and poor performance. The 5.3 imo is now obsolete.
very much agree. the 5.3L is almost living on it's legacy. the old early 2000's 5.3L engine were fantastic units. today with the lifter issues they are a shell of what they once used to be.
On the 2012 sierra i have eith the 5.3 and the 4 cylinder mode (i put the gear selector into M5, and that allows the automatic trans NOT to go into M6. (thats the gear it drops you into 4 cyl mode) hope that helps.
@@alfredoverno9674 Did that also. It's true. I believe it works w/ Dynamic Fuel Management 5.3 engines beginning in 2019. 8 speed? keep in 7th, & will result in keeping in V8. Don't know about 10 speeds w/ cylinder deactivation.
how did it compare rpms wise to the 5.0 coyote? i know the coyote was a little higher than the 3.5eb but i thought they were plenty low. but i do live in a flat area also so...
Very comparible to the 5L. I felt like the 5L had a little more top end power. But they both were similar units
The 2.7 smokes the 5.3 at towing. It's just the way it's setup. Diesel like low end grunt.
I would be interested to see transmission temperatures at the top of those long hills.
I can confirm that fuel economy while towing is similar to my 2019 ram 1500 5.7, but everyday driving unloaded fuel economy is definitely better
The transmission temp for the 5.3 topped out at 74 degrees Celsius. But hoping to show the transmission temp for all trucks going forward.
The 5.3 with 10 speed operates around 150 Fahrenheit without towing, the 2.7T with 8 speed operates at around 195-200 Fahrenheit without towing so the 2.7T i think would be much higher.
@@lonemillenial2707 The 8-speed even with the 2.7T should be similar to the 10-speed. The one you got those temps with probably has the old transmission cooler bypass or it's sticking and not keep the trans cool.
@@hochhaul negative, that is brand new 2024. The 2.7T runs hotter due to the active thermal valve which the 5.3 doesnt have. The active thermal valve intentionally heats up the transmission on the 2.7T and 3.0 diesel to 195-200F( both same valve type). The 5.3/6.2 have a Thermostat and run much cooler. This is from first hand experience, driving these vehicles every day at work.
Why the V8 felt better than l4 in the city:
No turbo lag. Instantaneous throttle response.
Yup. The turbo in the 2.7 is pretty good thanks to the dual volute design but it still has some turbo lag.
Had a 2019 RST with the max trailering and the 5.3. Never suffered from lack of power pulling a 7500lb travel trailer, but my god the suspension was lacking, even after the addition of super springs. The sag and sway, even with an equalizer was terrible. Upgraded to a 1 ton.
Same here. Half tons can't control a TT that size so I to went from a 1/2 to a 1 ton
My camper is 7800 GVWR. My Expedition pulls it just fine loaded to 7k, after upgrading to E tires. The C tires were mushy.
Different brand, and different vehicle and different engine and suspension.@@jghall00
5.3 a 10spd? the 2.7t is 8...could be why you liked the city light to light dynamic? I have the 2.7t in refresh 430 ft/lb and it's been awesome, my buddy has the 5.3, also good, they are comparable. We drag ice fishing trailers around all winter and for plenty of fall hunting trips also. The 2.7t is quieter and more relaxed, does more work at lower rpm, I usually put a few less litres of gas in at the mid point fill ups also, and I'm lifted 4' on 33x10's, his is stock, his trailer may be a little heavier but my truck is also heavier, ext. cab vs crew cab and I carry a 400 lb fuel tank in back also. the 2.7t is the top 1/2 ton motor imo. Boost is better than cylinders, it overcomes elevation by only losing 0.05% power every 1000' elevation where NA engines lose 3%....so I have way more torque at 4000' than the 5.3, like 90 ft/lbs and at 1100 rpm less also. The 5.0 coyote is getting thrashed hard by drag racing guys so sounds like a good option if NA is a must. There's also no known warranty issues with the 2.7t and gm engineers said it's one of only 2 engines they couldn't kill in their torture testing. The 5.3/6.2 have common warranty issues like lifters etc. and the 2.7t doesn't even have lifters. No one talks about the light weight front end of the 2.7t also, very nice off-road and just daily squirting around town. It's all win with that motor, built like a diesel without the diesel headaches, long strong big jugs inline single turbo...cummins style. The 5.3/6.2 are short stroke engines, most of the competition is this way. Gm did it right and they truly built a great 'truck' engine!
2022 sierra 2.7, the only bummer on the 1500 (crew cab) is the lack of suspension support. Over 6k she squats bad, although still manages to stay off the bumpstops
And the diesel-ish noises the injectors/pump/valvetrain makes are unsettling😂
With the AFM on the V8, I would rather have the 4
I mean the lifter failures on the 5.3 and the 6.2 are a little concerning without a doubt
the 4 cylinder comes with afm also, deactives two of its cylinders
Why? Can't manage to keep your oil changed as often as it should be? Defective lifters fail at very low mileage. Lifters that fail at 30... 60... 90k miles.... those lifters fail because the clown that owned the truck wasn't changing the oil often enough. Interesting how Exxon Mobil can put 520k miles on a 2015 Silverado 5.3 without a single lifter failure but some neckbeard that thinks 7k mile oil changes is just fine because it's synthetic has a lifter issue and throws an 80iq temper tantrum online and blames the problems he caused on the lifters.
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Some information on transmission temperature would be helpful!!!
4:30 a lot of people are fooled by the sound of a v8. It just sound like it's putting out more torque.
Turbo stays spooled up on the highway, not when its in stop and go city driving is why it then feels sluggish. The longevity issue on the 5.3 V8 is with the special lifters used for active fuel management (they have had lots of issues) with failing lifters.
Yes, but the latest word isn't the engine design, but the quality of the springs/lifters, from wherever they were sourced.
I had a 23 with the 2.7 for 6 months and was okay until the weather warned up and I had to use the a/c all the time. That's when the milage went south and I realized that this engine was going to be a gas hog even under a light load so I traded it in for an LT with a 5.3 and it's getting better milage and more smiled per mile than that 2.7 did.
I got 23 2.7 and love it. It's cooled down a lil here in Florida and haven't been running my ac. To confirm what you said, I've gained over 2 miles per gallon average. 20 to 22 mpgs. Either way good mpgs for a fullsize in my opinion.
2021 2.7 here and to tell you the truth I don't see a difference running the air or not.. clock's in at 20-21 miles per gallon all the time.
You lost more money trading in then you would have lost in gas 😮
@@joshuahedrickhe's not ready for that conversation lol
What people are not realizing, you can lug the 2.7 around town easily while being effective in accelerating and not killing the engine doing so. You dont need rpm even when not in boost
Ok..Checked the specs on 2.7 turbomax engine..Forged crank,heavy rods,steel liners...Ok Sold...But everyone should know..Octane and upper cylinder fuel additives a must for this engine under heavy boost conditions..Full syn oil changes every 5,000 miles..Dont miss these....
What about the AFM fiasco? Does the 2.7 skirt the issue entirely, or does it replace it with "turbo" issues that aren't any better?
I was really hoping to see this
It was cool to see both engines working
I have a g2022 with the 4cyl I tow a 6900 pound camper and i am pleased with the towing the ,pg towing is a little disapointing but its tall so lots of wind resistiance but I do like the engin
Rear Axle ratios are important in this comparison !
Why do you say that? Almost all GM half-tons sold since 2019 have 3.23's. You can get 3.42's if you give up the 2-speed transfer case, but with 8-speeds and 10-speeds, it's almost pointless anymore, which is why all of them are cutting down on the number of axles ratios that are offered.
How was the unload gas mileage. I have a 2014 with a 5.3L. Looking at a new truck. I also tow a 6000lb boat. Great video
I can average about 23.5mpg driving from Western Pennsylvania to Columbus area and back to WPA... around town not so much, if its in the boost it drinks fuel. 2023 2.7l
I had a 2014 5.3 and 21 was the norm for my driving style and truck setup. The 2019 5.3 + 8 -speed I currently have gets 22 to 23 unloaded, completely stock. My personal best so far is 26 mpg over the 400 mile average (or whatever the longest average setting is) using premium and going for the best mileage possible.
The GLARING issue is not whether or which engine has better towing characteristics. The question everyone should be asking is when has GM ever produced a small displacement forced induction motor that wasnt a completed turd when it came to reliability.
The 2.0 LTG in my Camaro was a fantastic motor with zero issues. Much better than the 3.6L V in the same application. Gobs more torque.
@@jacobhall8092 how old and how many miles?
@@drooskeedoo3388 2020 Camaro bought new and driven hard but maintained meticulously. Test drove the same model with the v6 and was thoroughly underwhelmed. Mild tuning and a bigger throttle body woke it up even further. GM purposely detuned that motor and put a smaller throttle body on it to restrict power so that it wasn't vastly more powerful than the V, which was supposed to be an"upgrade"from the turbo 4. Even in stock form, the 4 banger made more torque. After a mild tune and bigger throttle body, it ate the v6 for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. The V didn't make power until almost 4k rpm. The turbo motor had nearly full torque at 1800rpm.
2.7 turbo makes 430 ft lbs of torque @ 3,000 rpm's. 5.3 makes 383 ft lbs torque @ 4,100 rpm's. The door jamb sticker states tow rating. To find your answer, I'd test drive a used 2.7 turbo H.O. (broke in, over 500 miles on odo) & tow, so you will have something to compare to. Or, just erroneously believe more cylinders equal more torque / towing.
@@ews360 power ratings mean little if it doesn't last. I have a 19 year old truck that asks little and keeps pulling. I'd take that over a monthly payment and questionable reliability.
It’s a damn shame GM has had the same HP/TQ output for 10 years now. The 5.3 is a dog in need of some food dog food. It’s weak
I would agree the power numbers are lacking out of the 5.3. I feel like there could be better output from that displacement
Car and Driver tested a 2019 Silverado 5.3 against a 2019 Ram 1500 5.7 and they were virtually tied in acceleration numbers. That isn't a dog and most truck buyers aren't street racing.
5.3 likes to wind up! They respond great to 4.10 gears to reach it peak HP @5600 rpm and TQ @4100 rpm. 2.7 hits peak TQ much sooner and it has lower gears.
I’ll honk and wave when you’re sitting on the side of the road waiting for your wrecker to haul it back to the dealership!
Is the 3.5 a new engine you mentioned at 1:18? 😂😂😂
Was both trucks in tow/haul mode? The 2.7 will have greater resistance in tow mode on down grades since timing changes.
I saw the 2.7L Turbo 4 cyl. review and pull test and this Chevy 5.3L. A few words to the longevity would have been nice. I remain biased against the carbon buildup from direct injection. When the pull ability on the 200 km loop test between the 2 is such a toss off minor difference, I'm still in the 5.3L camp. BUT!!!, when you say it is natural aspirated my question remains ( exposing my ignorance here), is the 5.3 fuel injected just NOT direct injected? Longevity/reliability remains very important over 1 or 2 miles per gallon less on the 5.3. Thanks for what I consider very thorough reviews!
Another great video Alex! Please do a 5.7 hemi sometime too with that exact load/test :). For the power differences, keep in mind that unless you're going WOT, you're not making 430 lb/ft of torque at 2000 RPMs. You're making less, so the the v8 is probably putting more torque/power down in the city because both engines are not at full throttle. That's why its so silly for us truck guys to fixate on a single number, you only get that number at WOT at a certain RPM, those specs never tell the whole story as you've demonstrated here. Also, the 2.7 is impressive in a way since you're out here comparing it to the V8 whereas GM designed it as a base engine to replace the v6 4.3. I'm sure the little 2.7 crushes that v6.
They don’t make a 5.7 hemi anymore.
2.7 turbo produces it's 430 ft lb of torque @ 3,000 rpm's, & 5.3 produces it's 383 ft lbs of torque @ 4,100 rpm's. Payload & tow ratings similar, & a couple better mpg, all for $6k less, (40,000 miles worth of 87 octane gasoline). I found less torque, similar performance for more $ to be a bad choice. Stellantis discontinued Hemi V8. Replaced w/ 3.0 liter twin turbo inline 6. Ten yrs ago Ford began 2.7 liter twin turbo V6, (makes 30 less ft lbs torque than GM turbomax). 5.3 is 25 yr old design. Will be discontinued soon.
I love my 2.7 turbo gmc sierra 1500 quad cab
So if the 5.3 with the 10 speed had to really "work" to maintain speed. Then it's safe to say the 5.3 with an 8 speed will have to work harder.
In theory yes lol
@@GettysGarage bummer 😕 but I do appreciate the video
Will you be making a video but with the new LZ0 motor? Curious which of the three is the best.
Hey Alex, I've been super curious to see what you think of the 2023 Nissan Titan XD Pro-4X and your thoughts!! Please do a video of the Nissan soon!!
How about a comparison of the Colorado 2.7HO VS Silverado 2.7
They are the exact same engine
It's going to be pretty similar other than the Colorado being a lower GVWR. Same engine and transmission. The Colorado suspension and curb weight will cause it to handle the same trailer slightly worse compared to the Silverado.
Greetings Alex.
I do not; but i like 5.3 l (súper ratón) 👍 but new technology development is imponent. And my smile is big; where work is done with great savings.
Maintenance intervals and their costs, as well as long-term reliability and performance will surely be important to accentuate the best purchasing decision with the best cost-benefit ratio.
You got to try sport mode
hey , i need your opinion im all torn! i want a 6 seater crew cab 6feet bed i dont tow to much at first i was looking at midsize for mpg but i rather have a full size i look at mpg and longevity of the truck im going to buy a new truck but i hope i can have it for 20year, i live in quebec in the country i need someting taught i dont care about equipement like fancy stuff! ty!
The tach is on the wrong side and spins the wrong way. Man that sucks. Can you switch it? I hate all the digital stuff
It has like 3 or 4 different configurations. It bothers me too.
5.3L on a friends truck had failed lifters on one bank. 5000$ bill. Now he is worried the kther side will fail
And it probably will will all that metal gone throught his engine
I had a lifter fail on my 5.3 at 80,000 miles and it took out the camshaft. Expensive repair.
Lifter failure, took out the cam. Was overall cheaper to replace the whole engine
Traded my '16 @ 70k miles b4 that occurred. Oil change interval @ 7,500 miles not advisable. I did 6k miles. Traded in on 430 ft lb torque 2.7 turbo. Gained over 10% torque, similar payload & towing as V8, $6k less.
What mileage?
At 4:33 is says 68 Mpg lol I know you meant to say 68 Mph but 68 Mpg in a 1/2 ton class pick up would be amazing
lol best mileage ever eh
Seat of the pants feel, my 2021 2.7 feels noticeably faster than my 2018 5.3 was.
Doesn’t really mean much to me as I felt the 5.3 was plenty quick and I’m not looking to race them anyway
Hello i have a 22 gmc with the 5.3 afm. What do yiu think of installing a disabler? Or just turn the button to off after starting?
Change your oil more often and you won't have to worry about lifter issues. If you live in a cold climate or drive a lot of short trips, change the oil every 3 to 4k miles. In the summer you can stretch it out to 5k max. Exxon Mobil torture tests vehicles with their engine oils. They torture tested a 2015 Silverado with the 5.3 and put 520k miles on the truck without a single lifter issue. They tore the engine down and showed all the parts. They were in perfect condition. The biggest difference between what they had and what the average 5.3 that has a lifter problem is that the engine with the lifter problem is driven on short trips in cold weather and can develop sludge if the oil isn't changed much more often.
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My buddy has the 2.7l (2022 I think) and they sold him on the be it would tow as much as the 5.3 he traded in. Yah it might but it gets about 6/7 mpg while towing our two snowmobiles and aluminum trailer so 2000lbs max and it gets 7mpg and was running out of power going up hills while.my 5 year older 5.3L gets 16 mpg towing the exact same trailer on the exact same route and has power to accelerate up hill. Weight of trailer is one thing but a camper or enclosed trailer also has drag working like a wind sail sometimes. For me I'm buying a full size truck I want a full size motor . For years the 4.3L was the go to for a v6 in Chevy trucks to save gas and price and it was probably too reliable so gm axed it once they had it producing 300+HP . " "Gee if our engines last 300,000 miles that's money out of our pocket let's get rid of it"
I'm going to guess youre close to sea level where youre located? I wonder if the turbo would really shine at higher altitudes, like where I am at 1000m above sea level in Alberta?
Also longer stroke at the same RPM= higher piston speeds. Hopefully GM accounted for that with their piston rings and liners between the 2.7 and 5.3. If they didn’t than the 2.7 won’t have the same longevity.
Very true. You would hope they accounted for that. It does seems like the internals are pretty stout
I found this pretty interesting, regarding the 2.7L
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430lbft@1500-4000rpm will always be more capable that 383lbft@4100. Torque at rpm is HP. HP doesn't mean more capable. I laughed my ass off with your "prediction" of the 2.7 was going to wind up and rev all day long. The reason the 5.3 makes more HP than the 2.7 is because it has 8 cylinders working together making more torque at the top end of the rpm band.
5.3 V8
355hp@5600rpm is 332lbft
2.7 I4 turbo
310hp@5600rpm is 290lbft
Clearly the V8 can make more torque at the top. Same story as the Duramax and Powerstroke vs the Cummins. As far as bottom 'ends go both have 5 main bearings. The 5.3 is just as complicated as the turbo, and they are both littered with serious issues. I'll keep my 9.5l/100km 3.5L Ecoboost and 9.6l/100km 6.7 Powerstroke. 500lbft@3100rpm(more than 450lbft@2000rpm) and 1050lbft@1600rpm(more than 1000lbft from 1400-2400rpm). The get up and go is a preference, "more hp" doesn't apply to this "pulling away from a light". What you feel is the N/A almost instantaneous torque generation. The turbocharged engine will alway out work the N/A. Every truck with a turbo(diesel) has delay. Everyone lives with it, fun doesn't pay the bills(just like chrome and chicken lights)
Yeah man I've laughed at a lot of stuff this guy has said. I believe in an earlier video about the 2.7 he was so amazed and impressed that the 2.7 came mounted longitudinally. Like did you really expect a rwd based truck to come with the engine mounted horizontally? Lost all credibility to me at that point...
@Wade-lk4yo he makes mistakes, he is human. It's scripted(to a degree) and he says the wrong word. In dont get critical about that. Also he he has his own opinion. We're all aloud to have that. I try not to come off as "he is wrong" but someone always takes it that way in the comments. Lol. He is doing this on the side, on his own time, sometimes with someone's personal truck. He is doing a good job, and not just spewing BS online like so many other "content creators" do. Even though I don't share similar views(Cummins is not the best, FAR FROM IT) with him, I still subscribe and support him(just with minor criticism here and there). I give him an A for effort, B- for non-biased info, and a C for speed of testing. This is not his fault trucks can be hard to get hands on for testing)
First of all I appreciate the kind words sir! I guess when I tested the 2.7L I just had little faith in only 4 cylinders but as I found out real quick the 2.7L was no joke and pulls real nice at low rpm's. but yes the torque difference was hugely evident and the 5.3L simply lacked when pulling up some hills.
Now as for the "off the line" acceleration someone pointed out that the 10 speed transmission may also give the 5.3L a gearing advantage vs the 8 speed with the 2.7L but I agree with you the N/A power is just more accessible. But without a doubt the lifter issues on the 5.3L and the 6.2L are a huge problem.
but finally I will say as I keep testing more engines and trucks I have a growing appreciation of the Ecoboost and the 6.7L Powerstroke. Both engines pulled like a freighttrain in comparison to other engines in the segment.
Torque at 1500 RPM is pointless if the transmission will never let the RPM dip that low under full throttle. In case you aren't aware, those torque numbers you mention are only possible at wide open throttle. What happens when you press the throttle to the floor? The engine downshifts to the lowest gear possible for the current vehicle speed and load on the vehicle. That ain't going to be anywhere near 1500 RPM. That's the problem with all these crazy low RPM torque numbers with new turbocharged engines, whether it's Ford, GM or Toyota. They all know you will never be in a situation outside taking off from a stop where you will benefit from the torque below the stall point of the torque converter and it's only if you are the kind of nut job that presses the throttle all the way to the floor when taking off from a stop while towing. Gale Banks did a great video on this subject because it applies to both gas and diesel engines with automatic transmissions.
@hochhaul you can have engine load at 100% WITHOUT flooring it(WOT). So it is possible, also the "manual mode" will hold a gear if you telling too. The FACT that the 2.7 can make more torque at 2500rpm than the 5.3 can at 4100 great. It great for the same reason an LB7 was more efficient and capable than the 8.1. Torque is what does the work. HP is just torque at rpm ove time.
If I was going to tow an 8000 lb trailer on a regular basis I really would prefer to have a 3/4 ton gasser. Especially since a travel trailer is going to have a lot more wind resistance. But how about doing this test with a 6.2L with 3.42 rear end. I had a 2016 5.3/6 speed/3.42 and it was a weak engine for towing, especially in the mountains. My 2019 6.2/10 speed/3.42 is a beast when it comes to towing. It would leave that 2.7 in the dust.
Yes I'm trying to get a second trailer specifically for better wind resistance because I think at highway speeds it will make a large difference. Also I've driven the 6.2 and that thing is no joke. She pulls hard
Can't beat a V8. You can wind up a 4banger to impressive amounts of power, but you are still asking each cylinder to bear the strain and stress of 2 cylinders. Add to that the increased complexity of a turbo and ancillary components and the number of failure points increases dramatically.
Wait untill those turbos start FAILING dealerships a SMILING 😂😂
Seriously, the weak link is in the 8speed transmission. V8 with the 10 speed is the only way to go. Better yet a 6speed combo with the non lt trail boss and work truck with the 5.3 were a carryover from the the last generation.
I have heard the 8 speeds are weak units. The 10 speed is certainly a nice upgrade and I would probably run with the 5.3 if it were my own truck.
I'll take the 8-speed over the 6-speed all day every day. The 6L80 is only tolerable after it's tuned by someone that knows what they're doing and it's had the trans cooler bypass thermostat swapped out so it doesn't get cooked to death.
So basically they preform very similarly but the V8 has better MPG and is N/A? The 5.3 is much more proven design on top of it too.
Ya I would agree the design is much more proven on the 5.3
Just traded my gladiator for a 2.7 silvarado the hwy mpg is amazing im getting 25-27 no load
I've wondered how the story would go at above 8000 feet elevation
I wouldn’t say the 5.3 has much much better acceleration, the videos I watched the 2.7 liter turbo was quicker 0 to 60
So i could be wrong, but overall reliability, isn't it 3.0>4.3>2.7>6.2>5.3?
Kinda hard to tell at this point with 2 newer engines in the mix.
LOL why are you ranking the 4.3 above the 6.2 or 5.3? They all use the same lifters. 99% of AFM/DFM lifter failures that occur at higher mileage are due to people not changing their oil often enough. The system has tiny oil passages and screens that get clogged up with the soot and sludge that accumulates when the oil is left in the engine too long. Engine oil filters are useless at capturing these contaminants. Every time someone on here says they had a 5.3 with a lifter problem, it turns out that they were going 6k or 7k miles between oil changes. That's the fastest way to a lifter problem.
Do the same test after 150,000 miles.
Man, 4000 rpms up a hill. I have the 3.0 duramax. Never even close to that, same trailer weight.
To be fair a diesel engine just doesnt rev as much but yes that 5.3 was not pulling those hills that efficiently.
@@GettysGarage would take a damn big hill for the Ecoboost 3.5 to hit 4000rpm on a hill towing
If 2.7 had the 10 speed auto it would be the best engine combo
The 5.3 with basic regular maintenance will be going strong at 250,000 miles. The boosted mouse motor will be in its second, possibly third rebuild and third turbo...assuming anyone is willing to spend that kind of money on it At 130k miles the V8 will be worth 30 to 50% more than the mouse motor, assuming the latter is still intact. Already seeing this at auctions every week with Fords.
Buddys 2.7 is at 209k miles pulls 7400lbs camper 90% of the time. Only issue was a brake pad sensor. It's been reliable for him.
@@ericj810 Good for him. He got one in 100,000. Hope it goes another 200k...because he can't get 5k out of it in trade so he might as well keep it.
Bro the 5.3 is why GMs reliability ratings are tanking. You know AFM lifter failure. Who wants to deal with that Sh!t. The 4.3 was more reliable and I'm betting this engine will be as well.
@@danielbonner8309 The VAST majority of DoD LS engines run a quarter million miles. The deletion of DoD is easy, especially compared to Ford cam phaser issues, or any service o boosted 4/6 cyl engins.
Reliability and market strength are easy to discern at the auction block and LS trucks rule that. Boosted mouse motors are hard to get rid of at fire-sale prices, but you tell yourself whatever you need to hear.
@@scottysgarage4393 Your talking the auction block, I'm talking about reliability. I understand there is a big stigma over a 4cyl in a fullsize. Many people will never like that and that's understandable. It's hard to believe that a boosted 4 will fair better than a na 8 Ls. Time will tell if this is a viable workhorse or a failed science experiment.
They need to turbo the 5.3
I have owned two trucks with the 5.3L...not bad. Never had any issues. My latest truck is a 2021 GMC Sierra AT4 with the 6.2L. Again, no issues. It is not a "flex fuel" vehicle like the 5.3L ones. And the owners manual says not to use ethanol mixed fuels. Actually, it says for max fuel mileage and performance -- 93 octane. Indeed, feed it 93 octane pump gas (non ethanol) and it is one quick truck. I disabled the auto start/stop and AFM cylinder deactivation. CAI, canned tune, and exhaust. I am sure the 2.7L is quite fine for what it can do...but, would never own a full size truck without a V8. In the Colorado/Canyon size pickup trucks...yeh, turbo 2.7L makes more sense.
I've got a 2004 5.3 4wd long bed. Truck has 724,000 miles. I'm on my 3rd 5.3 motor. 1st went 365,000. 2nd used had 135,000 when I put it in. I added about 160,000 before pulling it for 3rd motor. It had 102, 000 miles when we dropped it in. So far it's a win win 5.3 I have no complaints..
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Nice! I’m at 209k in my 2017 5.3 4wd and hoping to get another 100k out of it.
@@nunya1667 never give up on a 5.3 if it makes a tapping noise or starts smoking there are simple fixes for both.
I really like my 5.3 engine in my 2018 Silverado 4X4 which has 190,000 miles and has no issues whatsoever like my 2014 Silverado 4X4. Being old school at 76 years old, we older folks always want a bigger engine with more power like Tim "The toolman" Taylor. If I had a Big Block 396 I would be king of the hill to have it in my truck.
Hey Dubas, trade those big trucks for something smaller
Same trans , same rear end ??
my 2020 2.7L runs better on 87 octane than 91 and gets better mpg. but forget engine braking with the 2.7
The 536 speed and the 53 in general, is designed to drive and be an everyday truck. Not an everyday tower, quite frankly. If you're looking for something to tell you're not going to buy a 53, you're not going to buy a 5.0 and even a 5.7, it is not your best bet we all know that diesel is the best way to go if you're towing. But when it comes to the 53 Chevy, 6 speed can't be an everyday truck.
Why not compare the 5.0L with the 5.3L
I thought about it, but I thought it would be cool to see how the 4 cylinder stacks up to a "traditional" pickup truck engine. but I haved towing with the 5L and it pulls better.
You said 3.5 V8 in the video... lol.. do a lm2 against them next. I know you've done them before but I love this content.
Why doesn’t Chevy put a turbo on the 5.3?