Solid arguments. I tend to find orientation (attitude in Jungian terms) tends to undulate according to the circumstances, but from a perspective of fixed-orientation I would agree! There's also the differing perspectives of what constitutes 'use' - if unconscious influence corresponds to use this would reframe things a little, and while I believe we would define 'use' in the same way there would no doubt be interpretations that make no distinction between use and 'influence'.
Several months ago I was trying to explain to a fellow Fi user how Fe could look like Fi. I stated I made a personal decision (Fi) to value what others value (Fe) because I wanted to be (Fi) what other people felt was considerate (Fe) even if those values weren't necessarily my own. Outwardly, this personal choice to "mesh" and "get along" with others probably looked very Fe-like. In fact, my friend assumed I had Fe in my stacking until we talked further and I explained my motivations. So... your excellent explanation of the feeling function has validated my Fi choices and that one can Fe if they Fi choose :-D
I happen to mostly agree with what you say here as would Objective Personality, but most of the Type community doesn't agree. I think that the 4 functions that we don't use are still conceptually present in our cognition because we interact with people that use these functions all the time. The fact that we don't use these functions makes us blind to a certain portion of reality that is not required for day to day activity but it is required to have a complete picture of the world.
I actually agree that all eight are theoretically present but my studies and interpretation of Jung lead me to believe that the conscious cognitive influence of them is exceptionally minute compared to how such influence is expressed in eight function models. I think you could refer to them as largely unconscious but not repressed (unlike the repressed function which is "unconscious" but directly linked to a highly conscious function and therefore can be easily brought to consciousness). I dont think the other four functions are entirely present or active in any meaningful way. Think of this in terms of the quadras. Those with the same top 4 functions, in any order, tend to show very similar patterns of interaction and cognition. If all eight functions held such influence, then we would theoretically see far more commonality there as well. This to me shows how meaningful the impact of the conscious 4 functions is compared to the others.
A while back you made a video on MBTI types of characters in The Witcher (hot topic at the time i suppose), but would you also be interested in making similar videos for different tv shows? Personally, i'd love to see a video on The Walking Dead (even though i never cared much for the last 3 seasons). That show is all about survival instinct and attempting to maintain a proper society. I'd love to see how that translates into MBTI types.
To elaborate, the interesting thing to me is the fact that maintaining a humane society would call for alot of Fe, whereas pure survival instinct would be dominated by Ti. The Walking Dead is a show where these two are basically pitted against eachother constantly. Even if it's not specifically The Walking Dead, pretty much any apocalyptic scenario would follow those rules.
It may be good for a systemic understanding to consider I/E functions as two ends of one spectrum to the "four functions" but Dario Nardi has shown clear differences in brain activity between the 8 functions. Both regions and patterns differ! From what he has shown us it sure seems like Fi and Fe are two different things rather than a spectrum. I believe that dr Nardi also favor that we use 4-functions.
That's a great point, and I do absolutely think they use very different regions of the brain. I'm actually a research assistant in an EEG lab and have recently been reading up on Dario Nardi's work. When we look at it from a neuro/psycho-physiological standpoint we would expect the physiology to differ because the inherent mental regions that are lighting up function on opposite ends of the same spectrum of a biological purpose. Say we hyper simplified I/E to self interest vs external interest. We wouldn't expect the same regions to light up when one is exploring values through self interest in comparison to external interest. The most likely outcome of neuro/psycho-physiological typology is that we have strong innate preferences for specific neurological patterns of dealing with stimuli/information. Of course as humans we all (for the most part) are equipped with the same "tools" in our brain. What happens through biology and development is a strong developmental preference for one or more tools over the others, with an extreme preference for one (the dominant function). So in some sense we can say typology is an abstract classification, such as with Jung's definitions, but we could also describe it as a neurological classification if the research is fleshed out in the future, which I would like to see. Thanks for watching!
Hello AsuraPsych I would like to ask you to make a video about the INTJ NiFi Loop and how to escape it. It would be of immense help, I am almost completely out of one but it is not easy. I hope you can help not only me but several other INTJ's too. Thanks
@@t5396 When a type is looping, their auxiliary function gets ignored. For INTJ, it is Te. This can make INTJs procrastinate and confused and caught up in their own ruminations and feelings. Giving another example For an INFP, looping implies repression of Ne. It implies INFPs suddenly find themselves unable to locate the various possibilities of future and they may get into an Fi-Si induced rut or even depression.
Try use extroverted thinking, interact with the world, it would be natural using The instead of Se, but I think one can estimulate other in spectrum of extroverted or introverted. If you use Ni, it can estimulate Fi, is my theory. So try open your mind into books, ideas and informations.
Hi, fellow INTJ here. If you're limerent for someone, as I suspect: then good luck. Your best bet: is transference. I say that from experience. Either that, or time (takes years). Only 5% of the population are limerents (ie will ALWAYS get limerent if they really like someone), they're basically all iNtuitives, and it's also only one in five iNtuitives affected, or about 20%. The types most prone are: INFJ at 21%, INFP at 20%, INTJ with our Ni-Fi loop in third place at 14% and I think ENFP are forth, with about ten%. That's most of us, the next step down is I think 4%-another iNtuitive, maybe INTP. Mutual limerence btw, is the rarest thing (like statistically 1 in a thousand, or amongst thousands), the writing on it is structurally identical to Twin Flame theory-and it probably explains that. Romeo and Juliet is an example of mutual limerence. And it's, of course: what every limerent wants.
I believe we use all eight, but the second half of our cognition is subconcious for a reason. You kind of have to exchange functions to use them. So if an INTP or INFP wants to use Ni, they have to sacrifice Ne in this instance.
Some very good points here: I'm ISTJ but I find myself often playing peacemaker, telling people what they want to hear (even if I don't really believe it) so they'll be happy. It made me wonder if I wasn't actually ISFJ, but then I contemplated it......do I really, actually care about their feelings or do I just want to put out fires and make sure everything runs smoothly? And it's definitely the latter. It's called strategy. So yes, my Te kinda fakes Fe for efficiency sakes. I agree that the 4 functions we have cover everything and compensate in times of need. That's why I get very critical at people, for example who say ''I'm INFJ but I'm more Fi than Fe''. No, you're over-compensating with your other functions and you have to ultimately pick a side in your type.
I have just yesterday tried to tell the 16personalities people themselves that: 1. They have made a mistake and the abbreviations they use fail to correspond one to one to the two sides of the aspects which I suggest that they correct to Assertive-tUrbulent for the erroneous abbreviations they have put for Identity. 2. I have repositioned Jung’s cognitive functions to line up to their framework like this: A. The stack is 2x4 with the subjective obServant-iNtuitive (Deduction) and Thinking-Feeling (Induction) preferences each having their own columns: I. Inherited from Myers-Briggs is the property that IP and EJ prioritize Induction while IJ and EP prioritize Deduction II. The prior stack orients its functions according to IJ-EP independently of A-U while A has the posterior stack agreeing with this orientation and U does not III. The ST-NF preference is ambiverted as the dominant and auxiliary functions independently of A-U while E-A has its opposite introverted and I-A has its opposite extraverted independently of J-P and U has its opposite mixed according to IJ-EP B. For example: INFJs are like this: Dom: NJi-FJi~FPe Aux: NPe-FPe~FJi Ter: SJ-TJ~TP (traditionally e-e~i; modern i-i~e) Inf: SPe-TPe~TJi I semi-BSed my way to ISTP-U which is like this: Dom: TPi-SJe Aux: TJe-SPi Ter: FP-NJ (traditionally e-e~i; modern i-i~e) Inf: FJe-NPi However, Facebook appears to have lost the post.
I feel like when my INFP mother tried to teach me math with her Te and my head started to hurt after 20 minutes of desperately trying to but not understanding a thing. She's really good with math btw, I just feel like I don’t get Te explanations at all. That being said, are you an INTJ? 'Cause I didn’t understand a thing. - INFJ
T The user is talking about illogical people in general, perhaps in the way it was stated it is mostly about people who lead with the feeling/sensing axis but since their thinking function is still low they can appear as someone with repressed thinking(Te/Ti). So this includes: (IXFP and EXFJ)
If we use only 4 functions, how do you explain that sometimes we are acting like a completely different type? For example, as an INTJ, I sometimes can have my repressed Se aspired and be good at performance, like an ESFP. This doesn't happen often but it does happen from time to time.
Because in that case Se is directly linked to Ni. The repressed function is very often a hidden desire or want in the personality type despite the fact that it's not natural to the person. The shadow type of the INTJ is ESFP, all the same functions are being used, just the ones that are unfamiliar and repressed are being used more when in that state.
would you say that, for instance, Fi can sucessfully mimic Fe, WITH THE HELP of other extroverted functions? Using te, se, or ne (or a combination of two of those) in order to find the way to get through the cracks of this feeling introversion?
Well said, Does this mean that MBTI doesn't buy into the fact that we have a subconscious? If it does, then what congitive functions do we use to explore that?
In terms of subconscious, the tertiary function and repressed function fall into this category. The repressed function is our unconscious function (unconscious being less conscious than subconscious). That said though, it is linked to a highly conscious function, the dominant, and thus is not "truly" unconscious. It would be odd to say that the other four functions are unconscious because they are still technically a part of the function we have in our stack. INFPs don't have unconscious Fe, they just don't process F objectively. Instead, Te acts as objective rationality in contrast to the subjective rationality of Fi. In the INFP objective rationality is unconscious just as in the ESTJ subjective rationality is unconscious. Thanks for watching!
Asura I have a question for you. I saw you in a interview saying you got a bachelor's degree in 2 1/2 years. How were you able to do that? Did you work while going to school, or were you able to pay the bills with students loans? I'm thinking about going to school to major in management consulting, or history.
Hey there, I worked full time for about 80% of my schooling but my school was already paid off. My mother passed away when I was young and what I inherited was placed into a college investment account that gained interest for about 15 years. I took about 15 credit hours per semester year round including summers and also worked as a teaching assistant on the side for credits.
@@AsuraPsych Thanks for the info. My brother is a general surgeon he worked for a few years at home depot early on in his studies before he started living on student loans. Sorry about your mom. I lost my identical twin when I was young. Thanks for replying, & good luck with your career. Psychology, & self help is interesting.😁
That the orientations of the functions alternate, do you think it's a convenient way to fit the 16 MBTI types, or is it merely observed to be true for all cases?
You're right on all of this but you're simply missing out on more but not learning the 8 functional model (Beebe). It's not something that overrides mbti, it just explains more. Like 97.17% of what you say I agree with and is completely accurate, but your knowledge is merely underwhelming and missing pieces by not learning the 8 functional model. Once you learn that, everything will have clicked.
Oh I've studied eight function models, I just think they fundamentally misunderstand Jung. The whole point of this video was to show why I dont think eight function models are the best to follow. I understand the appeal but I think they far overvalue the cognitive influence of the functions that are not in the conscious attitude.
@@AsuraPsych No I don't think you have. Not well enough at least. If you had, you would've understood my points and wouldn't have added the points you just added. But I'm just gonna make it short here... My take is you're confusing Socionics 8 function model (which does greatly misconstrue Jung and the mbti model) for Beebe's. It's not about misunderstanding Jung or not. It's an extra supplement to MBTI and Jung. Just like MBTI was a supplement to Jung. It does not overvalue the other functions. It explains how and why the other functions are undervalued... Something mbti and jung don't touch on... I understand your intention with the video (why 8 function isn't best) But ironically enough, you've made a video which did the opposite and actually supports 8 function model. Which should serve to prove that you've got something misconstrued regarding it...
@@17x71 Except you are wrong here, I am very well aware of Beebe's model and what it posits. I don't think the functions influence cognition in the way that he posits. Beebe posits that the 5th-8th functions are a greater stress point than the 4th and inferior function. "Beebe’s theory differs from that of Naomi Quenk, author of In the Grip, in that Beebe believes that much of the dysfunction Quenk attributes to the inferior (4th) function should be attributed to the unconscious functions, 5th through 8th." I completely disagree with this and believe that the inferior function, as Jung pointed out, is the greatest source of struggle in the developing personality. Just because something is an "extra supplement" does not mean it is correct. Jung didn't touch on it because it was not part of his theory of personality and cognitive development. Beebe's model essentially posits that "We aren't very aware of the other functions", which is of course true, because they are unconscious. The difference is that Beebe believes them to be antagonistic where Jung did not.
I appreciate your perspective on this. You're looking at a deeper level of things than a lot of those that publish MBTI content.
Solid arguments.
I tend to find orientation (attitude in Jungian terms) tends to undulate according to the circumstances, but from a perspective of fixed-orientation I would agree!
There's also the differing perspectives of what constitutes 'use' - if unconscious influence corresponds to use this would reframe things a little, and while I believe we would define 'use' in the same way there would no doubt be interpretations that make no distinction between use and 'influence'.
Several months ago I was trying to explain to a fellow Fi user how Fe could look like Fi. I stated I made a personal decision (Fi) to value what others value (Fe) because I wanted to be (Fi) what other people felt was considerate (Fe) even if those values weren't necessarily my own. Outwardly, this personal choice to "mesh" and "get along" with others probably looked very Fe-like. In fact, my friend assumed I had Fe in my stacking until we talked further and I explained my motivations. So... your excellent explanation of the feeling function has validated my Fi choices and that one can Fe if they Fi choose :-D
I happen to mostly agree with what you say here as would Objective Personality, but most of the Type community doesn't agree.
I think that the 4 functions that we don't use are still conceptually present in our cognition because we interact with people that use these functions all the time.
The fact that we don't use these functions makes us blind to a certain portion of reality that is not required for day to day activity but it is required to have a complete picture of the world.
I actually agree that all eight are theoretically present but my studies and interpretation of Jung lead me to believe that the conscious cognitive influence of them is exceptionally minute compared to how such influence is expressed in eight function models. I think you could refer to them as largely unconscious but not repressed (unlike the repressed function which is "unconscious" but directly linked to a highly conscious function and therefore can be easily brought to consciousness). I dont think the other four functions are entirely present or active in any meaningful way. Think of this in terms of the quadras. Those with the same top 4 functions, in any order, tend to show very similar patterns of interaction and cognition. If all eight functions held such influence, then we would theoretically see far more commonality there as well. This to me shows how meaningful the impact of the conscious 4 functions is compared to the others.
Thank you! I appreciate this video as well as your response below to the question about Dario Nardi's work as that was my question too.
Appreciate that! Thanks for watching!
This is a great, informative video!
Great video and insight man.
A while back you made a video on MBTI types of characters in The Witcher (hot topic at the time i suppose), but would you also be interested in making similar videos for different tv shows? Personally, i'd love to see a video on The Walking Dead (even though i never cared much for the last 3 seasons). That show is all about survival instinct and attempting to maintain a proper society. I'd love to see how that translates into MBTI types.
Yeah I'd need to watch it though haha. Not a huge fan of the zombie genre, although when I did see some episodes, they were good.
@@AsuraPsych Well it's only a suggestion. Can't imagine you'd have the time to binge 6-7 seasons of a show just to make a video about it. XD
To elaborate, the interesting thing to me is the fact that maintaining a humane society would call for alot of Fe, whereas pure survival instinct would be dominated by Ti. The Walking Dead is a show where these two are basically pitted against eachother constantly.
Even if it's not specifically The Walking Dead, pretty much any apocalyptic scenario would follow those rules.
It may be good for a systemic understanding to consider I/E functions as two ends of one spectrum to the "four functions" but Dario Nardi has shown clear differences in brain activity between the 8 functions. Both regions and patterns differ! From what he has shown us it sure seems like Fi and Fe are two different things rather than a spectrum. I believe that dr Nardi also favor that we use 4-functions.
That's a great point, and I do absolutely think they use very different regions of the brain. I'm actually a research assistant in an EEG lab and have recently been reading up on Dario Nardi's work. When we look at it from a neuro/psycho-physiological standpoint we would expect the physiology to differ because the inherent mental regions that are lighting up function on opposite ends of the same spectrum of a biological purpose. Say we hyper simplified I/E to self interest vs external interest. We wouldn't expect the same regions to light up when one is exploring values through self interest in comparison to external interest.
The most likely outcome of neuro/psycho-physiological typology is that we have strong innate preferences for specific neurological patterns of dealing with stimuli/information. Of course as humans we all (for the most part) are equipped with the same "tools" in our brain. What happens through biology and development is a strong developmental preference for one or more tools over the others, with an extreme preference for one (the dominant function). So in some sense we can say typology is an abstract classification, such as with Jung's definitions, but we could also describe it as a neurological classification if the research is fleshed out in the future, which I would like to see. Thanks for watching!
Good video! As always 🙂
Hello AsuraPsych I would like to ask you to make a video about the INTJ NiFi Loop and how to escape it. It would be of immense help, I am almost completely out of one but it is not easy. I hope you can help not only me but several other INTJ's too. Thanks
What happens in the loop?
@@t5396 When a type is looping, their auxiliary function gets ignored. For INTJ, it is Te. This can make INTJs procrastinate and confused and caught up in their own ruminations and feelings.
Giving another example
For an INFP, looping implies repression of Ne. It implies INFPs suddenly find themselves unable to locate the various possibilities of future and they may get into an Fi-Si induced rut or even depression.
@@Hari-kx2er thank you
Try use extroverted thinking, interact with the world, it would be natural using The instead of Se, but I think one can estimulate other in spectrum of extroverted or introverted. If you use Ni, it can estimulate Fi, is my theory. So try open your mind into books, ideas and informations.
Hi, fellow INTJ here. If you're limerent for someone, as I suspect: then good luck. Your best bet: is transference. I say that from experience. Either that, or time (takes years). Only 5% of the population are limerents (ie will ALWAYS get limerent if they really like someone), they're basically all iNtuitives, and it's also only one in five iNtuitives affected, or about 20%. The types most prone are: INFJ at 21%, INFP at 20%, INTJ with our Ni-Fi loop in third place at 14% and I think ENFP are forth, with about ten%. That's most of us, the next step down is I think 4%-another iNtuitive, maybe INTP. Mutual limerence btw, is the rarest thing (like statistically 1 in a thousand, or amongst thousands), the writing on it is structurally identical to Twin Flame theory-and it probably explains that. Romeo and Juliet is an example of mutual limerence. And it's, of course: what every limerent wants.
I believe we use all eight, but the second half of our cognition is subconcious for a reason. You kind of have to exchange functions to use them. So if an INTP or INFP wants to use Ni, they have to sacrifice Ne in this instance.
Some very good points here:
I'm ISTJ but I find myself often playing peacemaker, telling people what they want to hear (even if I don't really believe it) so they'll be happy. It made me wonder if I wasn't actually ISFJ, but then I contemplated it......do I really, actually care about their feelings or do I just want to put out fires and make sure everything runs smoothly? And it's definitely the latter. It's called strategy. So yes, my Te kinda fakes Fe for efficiency sakes. I agree that the 4 functions we have cover everything and compensate in times of need. That's why I get very critical at people, for example who say ''I'm INFJ but I'm more Fi than Fe''. No, you're over-compensating with your other functions and you have to ultimately pick a side in your type.
I see my istj teacher do that too!
I have just yesterday tried to tell the 16personalities people themselves that:
1. They have made a mistake and the abbreviations they use fail to correspond one to one to the two sides of the aspects which I suggest that they correct to Assertive-tUrbulent for the erroneous abbreviations they have put for Identity.
2. I have repositioned Jung’s cognitive functions to line up to their framework like this:
A. The stack is 2x4 with the subjective obServant-iNtuitive (Deduction) and Thinking-Feeling (Induction) preferences each having their own columns:
I. Inherited from Myers-Briggs is the property that IP and EJ prioritize Induction while IJ and EP prioritize Deduction
II. The prior stack orients its functions according to IJ-EP independently of A-U while A has the posterior stack agreeing with this orientation and U does not
III. The ST-NF preference is ambiverted as the dominant and auxiliary functions independently of A-U while E-A has its opposite introverted and I-A has its opposite extraverted independently of J-P and U has its opposite mixed according to IJ-EP
B. For example:
INFJs are like this:
Dom: NJi-FJi~FPe
Aux: NPe-FPe~FJi
Ter: SJ-TJ~TP (traditionally e-e~i; modern i-i~e)
Inf: SPe-TPe~TJi
I semi-BSed my way to ISTP-U which is like this:
Dom: TPi-SJe
Aux: TJe-SPi
Ter: FP-NJ (traditionally e-e~i; modern i-i~e)
Inf: FJe-NPi
However, Facebook appears to have lost the post.
I feel like when my INFP mother tried to teach me math with her Te and my head started to hurt after 20 minutes of desperately trying to but not understanding a thing. She's really good with math btw, I just feel like I don’t get Te explanations at all. That being said, are you an INTJ? 'Cause I didn’t understand a thing. - INFJ
Мирела Димитрова ‘I didn’t understand a thing’ same here
Please, speak English
It seems like I meet a lot of people for whom thinking is the repressed function.
What do you mean by this?
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The user is talking about illogical people in general, perhaps in the way it was stated it is mostly about people who lead with the feeling/sensing axis but since their thinking function is still low they can appear as someone with repressed thinking(Te/Ti).
So this includes: (IXFP and EXFJ)
I think the OP cleverly joked about having to deal with dumbasses all day, or is that just me?
@@rithrius5384 you're right
@@t5396 most people he meets are dumbasses
If we use only 4 functions, how do you explain that sometimes we are acting like a completely different type? For example, as an INTJ, I sometimes can have my repressed Se aspired and be good at performance, like an ESFP. This doesn't happen often but it does happen from time to time.
Because in that case Se is directly linked to Ni. The repressed function is very often a hidden desire or want in the personality type despite the fact that it's not natural to the person. The shadow type of the INTJ is ESFP, all the same functions are being used, just the ones that are unfamiliar and repressed are being used more when in that state.
would you say that, for instance, Fi can sucessfully mimic Fe, WITH THE HELP of other extroverted functions? Using te, se, or ne (or a combination of two of those) in order to find the way to get through the cracks of this feeling introversion?
Well said,
Does this mean that MBTI doesn't buy into the fact that we have a subconscious? If it does, then what congitive functions do we use to explore that?
In terms of subconscious, the tertiary function and repressed function fall into this category. The repressed function is our unconscious function (unconscious being less conscious than subconscious). That said though, it is linked to a highly conscious function, the dominant, and thus is not "truly" unconscious. It would be odd to say that the other four functions are unconscious because they are still technically a part of the function we have in our stack. INFPs don't have unconscious Fe, they just don't process F objectively. Instead, Te acts as objective rationality in contrast to the subjective rationality of Fi. In the INFP objective rationality is unconscious just as in the ESTJ subjective rationality is unconscious.
Thanks for watching!
I was just about to ask if we could get a video on cognitive functions. Does this mean I have Ni? Joking ofc
😂😂
I'm interesting video. Some graphics would help.
Asura I have a question for you. I saw you in a interview saying you got a bachelor's degree in 2 1/2 years. How were you able to do that? Did you work while going to school, or were you able to pay the bills with students loans? I'm thinking about going to school to major in management consulting, or history.
Hey there, I worked full time for about 80% of my schooling but my school was already paid off. My mother passed away when I was young and what I inherited was placed into a college investment account that gained interest for about 15 years. I took about 15 credit hours per semester year round including summers and also worked as a teaching assistant on the side for credits.
@@AsuraPsych Thanks for the info. My brother is a general surgeon he worked for a few years at home depot early on in his studies before he started living on student loans. Sorry about your mom. I lost my identical twin when I was young. Thanks for replying, & good luck with your career. Psychology, & self help is interesting.😁
Do you have a book to recommend? About this topic?
Are you by chance familiar with Spider-man comics?
Wondering whether you'd type him as an Fe user or Fi.
That the orientations of the functions alternate, do you think it's a convenient way to fit the 16 MBTI types, or is it merely observed to be true for all cases?
You're right on all of this but you're simply missing out on more but not learning the 8 functional model (Beebe). It's not something that overrides mbti, it just explains more. Like 97.17% of what you say I agree with and is completely accurate, but your knowledge is merely underwhelming and missing pieces by not learning the 8 functional model. Once you learn that, everything will have clicked.
Oh I've studied eight function models, I just think they fundamentally misunderstand Jung. The whole point of this video was to show why I dont think eight function models are the best to follow. I understand the appeal but I think they far overvalue the cognitive influence of the functions that are not in the conscious attitude.
@@AsuraPsych No I don't think you have. Not well enough at least. If you had, you would've understood my points and wouldn't have added the points you just added. But I'm just gonna make it short here... My take is you're confusing Socionics 8 function model (which does greatly misconstrue Jung and the mbti model) for Beebe's. It's not about misunderstanding Jung or not. It's an extra supplement to MBTI and Jung. Just like MBTI was a supplement to Jung. It does not overvalue the other functions. It explains how and why the other functions are undervalued... Something mbti and jung don't touch on... I understand your intention with the video (why 8 function isn't best) But ironically enough, you've made a video which did the opposite and actually supports 8 function model.
Which should serve to prove that you've got something misconstrued regarding it...
@@17x71 Except you are wrong here, I am very well aware of Beebe's model and what it posits. I don't think the functions influence cognition in the way that he posits. Beebe posits that the 5th-8th functions are a greater stress point than the 4th and inferior function. "Beebe’s theory differs from that of Naomi Quenk, author of In the Grip, in that Beebe believes that much of the dysfunction Quenk attributes to the inferior (4th) function should be attributed to the unconscious functions, 5th through 8th." I completely disagree with this and believe that the inferior function, as Jung pointed out, is the greatest source of struggle in the developing personality. Just because something is an "extra supplement" does not mean it is correct. Jung didn't touch on it because it was not part of his theory of personality and cognitive development. Beebe's model essentially posits that "We aren't very aware of the other functions", which is of course true, because they are unconscious. The difference is that Beebe believes them to be antagonistic where Jung did not.