Dude, your sensitivity to the suspension settings on your bike and your ability to articulate it is impressive. I started watching your videos because I had the same bike. Now I have a Kona Process 153 and I still watch your channel to learn more about bike setup and what I should be paying attention to in the ride quality.
Thanks mate, I got a ride on a Process X yesterday, that was very impressive. The tune was out on the run I did, but damn is that thing capable. I changed some things for him and it seems we got a great improvement straight out the gate. Killer bikes
@@mtbtelly5522 Nice. Mine is a 2018 153 CR that I slapped a DHX2 on and am just about to upgrade the Lyrik to the 2021 airspring and go from 160 to 170mm. Would love to try the new Process X. Would be interesting to watch you help people with their bike set-up. It's a service I would pay for to have an expert assess my settings on the trail and work with me to dial in.
@@mtbtelly5522 I've got a 400# SLS spring on there now, I'm looking for a 450 though as I do bottom out occasionaly and when I stand to pedal it bobs a bit more than I'd like. I'd be interested to try a progressive spring but they are heavier and I would probably have to order one. I believe the bike has an 11% progresivity rate so I would imagine it would be good. I'd be interested to see how you assess other riders suspension set-ups, could make for some good content. Do you already work in the bike industry outside of UA-cam?
You might try the DVO Jade X. It's my favorite. Has a three position quick adjustment with the stiffest being a near full lockout. It's fun because you can actually improve pedal efficiency with the full lockout over air shock pedal position. Takes getting used to because it can be bouncy but there's a mid position for the steep climbs if you need traction. In my opinion the DVO Jade X coil is the best of both worlds.
I’ll try one for sure when the chance comes up. They’ve had a lot of durability issues with past models so it’ll be good to see if they’ve sorted it all out
the good thing about air front and back is if you always set your pressures at the same time of the day in the shade you can get it balanced and it should increase 2-4 psi in the fork and 5-10 in the shock if it gets super hot and sunny, so it is stiffer but still balanced. Problem with the coil only in the rear is then your fork changes so the rear always feels good but balance gets thrown off. Coil is way easier fi you don't adjust your shock all the time.
Potentially yes. But I’ve found I can deal with the fork stiffening up a little, but I set the back up to be right on the edge of the compliance/efficiency scale. So any increase at the back takes away compliance and make for an uncontrolled ride
You said what I was thinking regarding setup. My air shocks set up to feel like spring and mostly satisfied....what I'm after is less sticktion in the front forks though (will mess about with SKF seals and Luftkappe air spring in near future).
FYI: SAR springs is supposed to be within tighter tolerances on spring rate. I got two a 500 and a 550. Expensive yes but at least you get what you ask for.
Been following along real close after discovering your review of the Slash vs Remedy and then the Remedy with RS SD w/ MegNeg. So I ride a Slash 8 and rip around trails like you do. Rocky Chundery Steeps with some catches and G outs. I went from the non thru shaft Deluxe and tires the MegNeg. Loved it, although the Reactive seems to work against it. So I found a new used 2019 RS SD RCT and have been dailing it in. My ride weight with gear is about 175-180lbs and I’m currently testing and tuning with 0 Tokens with 210 psi at 30% and 2 bands. It’s plush off the top, supportive mid travel and takes a sizeable drop or g out to bottom it out. As I’m becoming more familiar with Positive and Negative air spring tuning I’m really beginning to get close to where the air spring should be for the majority of the trails I prefer and now beginning to wonder what your thought process is for adjusting the low speed compression. Looking forward to your response via massage or better yet another video! Thank you for your hard work and due diligence!
I will do a video regarding low speed comp. I use lsc to add control to the bike. Assuming the spring rate is correct, No lsc will have a very light active feeling, which can feel uncontrolled and make the bike wander a little. As you add lsc the bike will become more controlled, precise and predictable with a firmer platform to push against. Too much lsc will make the bike harsh and less compliant and cost you grip. But will carry great speed on smooth stuff. Its more complex than that front to rear etc but that should help you get an understanding to start off
The thing you mentioned about sag 11:50; the point of sag is that it allows the suspension to extend as in addition to be compressed, which gives the planted feeling. I do agree that 35 is a bit much tho, perhaps 30 for the goldilocks.
Running Cascade link with DHX2. Looking to switch over to Ohlins due to reliability issues with the Fox. Do you believe the Ohlins coil would match up well with the Cascade Link?
Great video! Thanks for posting! How do you think the MegNeg will work on a 2020 Norco Sight? You gave me some advice a while back and I've got the stock set up working pretty well. Even so, I can't help but be curious about being able to fine tune my Super Deluxe with the MegNeg fitted. Any thought would be appreciated.
I have the same bike but still use the DPX2 that came with it, and also got a Bomber coil. I have the Cascade link too which make my bike more progressive. I love the Cascade link. It made a huge difference that was immediately noticeable. The coil made a minor change, and still need to do more testing to decide if I like the coil or air better.
Did you ever try 3 positive and 1 negative with the megneg? I’m currently tuning mine for my patrol and found I’m using all my travel a little too easily with 2 pos and 1 neg. I weigh about the same as you and running about 30% sag.
Add a little pressure if you’re using travel too easily. At 3 pos tokens, I had to also run more neg bands to soften the spring, it gave me an excellent ride height at just past 30%, but not the same compliance at speed
Ok so now I have an XC Race bike for trail use. I still have my YT Capra. I have the Super Deluxe and set it up with one volume spacer at 30% sag. It feels great. I would like to put my Megneg back on. I weigh 240 pounds. What are your thoughts?
I think if you’re at the upper end of your pressure 270-300psi ish I’d avoid the megneg. Do you feel it needs the megneg to gain that spring strength at the start and mid stroke?
@@mtbtelly5522 No I don’t need the MegNeg, running 250 psi with one regular volume spacer. It feels amazing and has plenty of bottom out resistance. I just have the Megneg laying around and I am due for a service. Only My Lyrik I took out my DSD Runt, I have the 2021 airspring in and zero volume spacers and I love it just like you suggested in one of your videos.
@@Bittersfamily0424 nice, I’ll be testing a lyrik with a new c1 airspring soon so I’ll have a better idea on how to go about the setup. For now I’m unsure of what it requires but thats good to hear you’ve got it feeling good.
I would love to find out how you would actually get nitrogen into a airshock. I have bottles of dry nitrogen for my work and you would need a pretty specific adapter to get it in. Then I guess you would just over pressurize the shock then let some out to get the right pressure .
Great vid thanks - I found removing all negative bands from my RS megneg RT3 thru shaft on my Slash 2019 alloy made the shock 'super' supple (started w 1x pos. token and 2 neg bands for couple of months). So now I run zero positive tokens and zero neg. bands and feels really great!! Maybe its the frame progression difference? I run 280psi and its hard to bottom out most rides, leaving just a couple of mm on the o-ring. Still want the Super deluxe one day I think? Just having Yari upgrades to the RC2 damper and latest air spring this week... cant wait to set that up!! :)
Sounds like you’ve got the sweet spot there. The Slash has I believe 23% progression?? I think its around that. So its a great candidate for a coil rear shock without any potential drawbacks outside of weight. If you do decide to upgrade the rear shock I’d definitely lean towards a coil. Otherwise what you have currently is great. Good stuff
I never tried the X2 on this bike. But have had it on both my previous bikes and wasn’t that impressed with it. I’ll be testing another bike with an X2 next week so I’ll report on it with that test
Im riding coil only on dh bikes But only because rockshox released the meg neg upgrade So it performs like a coil but is much lighter and has the consitancy of a fork(air characteristics)
I wish I understood what you are talking about here because it sounds as though it might be helpful. I always put poor performance down to my riding ability and never think to adjust anything. I also have doubts that I could even tell the difference if they were adjusted.
If I’m riding poorly its almost always remedied with an improved setup. Theres definitely a big difference in my confidence and ability between a well set up bike and a poorly setup bike. I’ll never take risks on a bike that doesn’t feel set up to my preferences. Bar height, bar roll, and suspension setup play a huge part in how fast I can ride a bike down a trail. What bike are you on and how much do you weigh? I may be able to get you on a better setup to see if it helps you
@@mtbtelly5522 Giant Reign Advanced 1 and everything is stock. 85-90kg riding weight (lower if I've had a good week and higher if I'm running a lot of water and a 2am Kebab in me). My 'Mt Narra speed run' recent video is probably the best showcase of the style of riding I do. Generally so focused on not stacking that I can't think about bike setup. I try to run 30% sag in the rear because that's what everyone says to do, but that's as far as I go. Edit: Come to think of it, I think I bought the bike because of your review a few years ago. I also changed to cranks to 165mm on your recommendation and it was a major improvement in avoiding pedal strikes.
@@RideyRodney haha the old 2am Kebab is just a part of life. On that bike, I’d take the spacer out of the shock and run it a little higher in pressure to compensate, and see how thst feels. Add pressure until it feels like you have enough support. That should nake the back end feel more compliant as well as a little more pleasant on the climbs. Fork seems ok for now from your runs. I love the vids man.
With coil, it really benefits from having a custom tune. I tried a dvo on my sb150 and meh. I then put on a cascade link and a custom tuned EXT STORIA and it feels amazing. With the bottom out support there is no need to over spring it. I seem to be able to run much faster rebound on coil too.
The SB150 standard link has an excellent curve for running a coil, and you’re right about having the appropriate tune on the shock for it to perform properly. You don’t find it bucky off the lips of jumps at all with the cascade link and the ext?
@@mtbtelly5522 That buck you are feeling......I can't imagine that progressivity is the cause. My Dh bike has got 65% and there is no bucking. Maybe the damping is a little off🤔
@@nicoofner85 I’ve put it down to progression as the way I’ve always been able to remedy it is through backing off of the progression a touch. The buck I’m describing is the result of increasing the progression just a little further than is functional. I use it as the point of diminishing returns when setting up a bike. Too progressive means too much force build-up at full compression and the resulting energy return/release overpowering your bodyweight and shifting you upwards and forwards. Eg an overly progressive setup in an air shock; starting pressure 150psi vs pressure at full compression being 280psi. Next to same shock with 2 less tokens 150 starting pressure, increasing to 240psi at full compression. The 240 psi doesn’t have as much returning force at the 280psi therefor not bucking you upward or forward enough to be classified as bucking. Excess compression leads to harshness, and a really rough ride, but is still independant to the buck feeling I describe. You DH bike runs at a deeper sag yeah? I’m running within the confinds of a trail/enduro bike, keeping the sag where the bike performs best on both climbs and descents
The reason for the springs not being consistent is because fox and rockshox both suck. Both are extremely inconsistend. No Idea about the MRP, but Raceonlysprings for progressive springs and SAR or the Fast supension and EXT springs for linear are accurate. Raceonly and SAR are made by Eibach....they produce springs for WRC and so on as well, so top quality
The fox and rockshox seem consistent within their own branded increments, they just don’t translate over to each other or to other brands potentially. What an annoyance. Cheers for the info, I’ll check them out and see if I can get some info on their relativity to eachother
Dude, your sensitivity to the suspension settings on your bike and your ability to articulate it is impressive. I started watching your videos because I had the same bike. Now I have a Kona Process 153 and I still watch your channel to learn more about bike setup and what I should be paying attention to in the ride quality.
Thanks mate, I got a ride on a Process X yesterday, that was very impressive. The tune was out on the run I did, but damn is that thing capable. I changed some things for him and it seems we got a great improvement straight out the gate. Killer bikes
@@mtbtelly5522 Nice. Mine is a 2018 153 CR that I slapped a DHX2 on and am just about to upgrade the Lyrik to the 2021 airspring and go from 160 to 170mm. Would love to try the new Process X. Would be interesting to watch you help people with their bike set-up. It's a service I would pay for to have an expert assess my settings on the trail and work with me to dial in.
@@fademasterfade227 I may start doing it for people regularly if the interest is there. Have you tried a progressive coil spring on that bike?
@@mtbtelly5522 I've got a 400# SLS spring on there now, I'm looking for a 450 though as I do bottom out occasionaly and when I stand to pedal it bobs a bit more than I'd like. I'd be interested to try a progressive spring but they are heavier and I would probably have to order one. I believe the bike has an 11% progresivity rate so I would imagine it would be good. I'd be interested to see how you assess other riders suspension set-ups, could make for some good content. Do you already work in the bike industry outside of UA-cam?
@@fademasterfade227 how much do you weigh?
Loving that this just came up in my algorithms. 👌
Good to get the lessons ,I learn heaps from you man. 🙏👑🔥
I hope my rambles aren’t too confusing haha
You might try the DVO Jade X. It's my favorite. Has a three position quick adjustment with the stiffest being a near full lockout. It's fun because you can actually improve pedal efficiency with the full lockout over air shock pedal position. Takes getting used to because it can be bouncy but there's a mid position for the steep climbs if you need traction. In my opinion the DVO Jade X coil is the best of both worlds.
I’ll try one for sure when the chance comes up. They’ve had a lot of durability issues with past models so it’ll be good to see if they’ve sorted it all out
Can't wait to see what bike you get next homie, keep up the good vids
Its due here next week, my fingers are crossed 🤞
the good thing about air front and back is if you always set your pressures at the same time of the day in the shade you can get it balanced and it should increase 2-4 psi in the fork and 5-10 in the shock if it gets super hot and sunny, so it is stiffer but still balanced. Problem with the coil only in the rear is then your fork changes so the rear always feels good but balance gets thrown off. Coil is way easier fi you don't adjust your shock all the time.
Potentially yes. But I’ve found I can deal with the fork stiffening up a little, but I set the back up to be right on the edge of the compliance/efficiency scale. So any increase at the back takes away compliance and make for an uncontrolled ride
@@mtbtelly5522 I agree with that now, the rear shock is definetly more sensitive.
That's why I went with a bomber cr for my patrol. I never have to check anything and I know it'll always feel the same and feel good
Its such a good feeling knowing exactly whats going on out the back every time you ride.
You said what I was thinking regarding setup.
My air shocks set up to feel like spring and mostly satisfied....what I'm after is less sticktion in the front forks though (will mess about with SKF seals and Luftkappe air spring in near future).
FYI: SAR springs is supposed to be within tighter tolerances on spring rate. I got two a 500 and a 550. Expensive yes but at least you get what you ask for.
Been following along real close after discovering your review of the Slash vs Remedy and then the Remedy with RS SD w/ MegNeg. So I ride a Slash 8 and rip around trails like you do. Rocky Chundery Steeps with some catches and G outs. I went from the non thru shaft Deluxe and tires the MegNeg. Loved it, although the Reactive seems to work against it. So I found a new used 2019 RS SD RCT and have been dailing it in. My ride weight with gear is about 175-180lbs and I’m currently testing and tuning with 0 Tokens with 210 psi at 30% and 2 bands. It’s plush off the top, supportive mid travel and takes a sizeable drop or g out to bottom it out. As I’m becoming more familiar with Positive and Negative air spring tuning I’m really beginning to get close to where the air spring should be for the majority of the trails I prefer and now beginning to wonder what your thought process is for adjusting the low speed compression. Looking forward to your response via massage or better yet another video! Thank you for your hard work and due diligence!
I will do a video regarding low speed comp.
I use lsc to add control to the bike. Assuming the spring rate is correct, No lsc will have a very light active feeling, which can feel uncontrolled and make the bike wander a little. As you add lsc the bike will become more controlled, precise and predictable with a firmer platform to push against. Too much lsc will make the bike harsh and less compliant and cost you grip. But will carry great speed on smooth stuff. Its more complex than that front to rear etc but that should help you get an understanding to start off
The thing you mentioned about sag 11:50; the point of sag is that it allows the suspension to extend as in addition to be compressed, which gives the planted feeling. I do agree that 35 is a bit much tho, perhaps 30 for the goldilocks.
30 is pretty close to goldilocks for most setups 👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽
"Give me a little SHWOOOOOOH." "NAH." "Gives me a little HOW YA GOIN! out of the corners." haha love it!
Running Cascade link with DHX2. Looking to switch over to Ohlins due to reliability issues with the Fox. Do you believe the Ohlins coil would match up well with the Cascade Link?
Which bike? I'm a 2020 Sight with Cascade link. Thinking of trying it with a dhx2
Great video! Thanks for posting! How do you think the MegNeg will work on a 2020 Norco Sight? You gave me some advice a while back and I've got the stock set up working pretty well. Even so, I can't help but be curious about being able to fine tune my Super Deluxe with the MegNeg fitted. Any thought would be appreciated.
All reports are that the MegNeg is a great add-on.
Got a 2021 sight and put the megneg on. 2 pos and 2 neg now hold the mid to end up so supple of top and mid to end hold up better.
@@tomedwards1312 Right on! Thanks for the advise Tom.
I’d say as long as you spend the time to find a good tune it can definitely improve the current setup.
@16:54 - METAlic smile when you spoke about the next bike..
Shes close!!
I have the same bike but still use the DPX2 that came with it, and also got a Bomber coil. I have the Cascade link too which make my bike more progressive.
I love the Cascade link. It made a huge difference that was immediately noticeable. The coil made a minor change, and still need to do more testing to decide if I like the coil or air better.
Did you ever try 3 positive and 1 negative with the megneg? I’m currently tuning mine for my patrol and found I’m using all my travel a little too easily with 2 pos and 1 neg. I weigh about the same as you and running about 30% sag.
Add a little pressure if you’re using travel too easily. At 3 pos tokens, I had to also run more neg bands to soften the spring, it gave me an excellent ride height at just past 30%, but not the same compliance at speed
So going to 3-4 neg bands with 3 pos gave you the compliance at speed? What was your preferred all around setup with the megneg ?cheers
@@jays604 its different on different bikes. On the patrol 2 tokens and 1 band was killer from memory
Ok so now I have an XC Race bike for trail use. I still have my YT Capra. I have the Super Deluxe and set it up with one volume spacer at 30% sag. It feels great. I would like to put my Megneg back on. I weigh 240 pounds. What are your thoughts?
I think if you’re at the upper end of your pressure 270-300psi ish I’d avoid the megneg. Do you feel it needs the megneg to gain that spring strength at the start and mid stroke?
@@mtbtelly5522 No I don’t need the MegNeg, running 250 psi with one regular volume spacer. It feels amazing and has plenty of bottom out resistance. I just have the Megneg laying around and I am due for a service. Only My Lyrik I took out my DSD Runt, I have the 2021 airspring in and zero volume spacers and I love it just like you suggested in one of your videos.
@@Bittersfamily0424 nice, I’ll be testing a lyrik with a new c1 airspring soon so I’ll have a better idea on how to go about the setup. For now I’m unsure of what it requires but thats good to hear you’ve got it feeling good.
@@mtbtelly5522 Thanks for all your help👊🏻😎
I would pay big money for one day with you on a trails to learn how to understand suspension better. Impressive knowledge👍
Hi Telly, another very great video! 👍 One question: If you had to choose exactly one enduro bike now, which one would you choose?
21 Trek Slash, 21 Nukeproof Mega, or Yeti SB150 (if it were available in alloy)
I would love to find out how you would actually get nitrogen into a airshock. I have bottles of dry nitrogen for my work and you would need a pretty specific adapter to get it in. Then I guess you would just over pressurize the shock then let some out to get the right pressure .
Great vid thanks - I found removing all negative bands from my RS megneg RT3 thru shaft on my Slash 2019 alloy made the shock 'super' supple (started w 1x pos. token and 2 neg bands for couple of months). So now I run zero positive tokens and zero neg. bands and feels really great!! Maybe its the frame progression difference? I run 280psi and its hard to bottom out most rides, leaving just a couple of mm on the o-ring. Still want the Super deluxe one day I think? Just having Yari upgrades to the RC2 damper and latest air spring this week... cant wait to set that up!! :)
Sounds like you’ve got the sweet spot there. The Slash has I believe 23% progression?? I think its around that. So its a great candidate for a coil rear shock without any potential drawbacks outside of weight. If you do decide to upgrade the rear shock I’d definitely lean towards a coil. Otherwise what you have currently is great. Good stuff
When you going to try the float X2?
I never tried the X2 on this bike. But have had it on both my previous bikes and wasn’t that impressed with it. I’ll be testing another bike with an X2 next week so I’ll report on it with that test
Can someone answer my question. Does the Rockshox Super Deluxe Coil shock dont have a valve to put some air on it with a shock pump? Thanks in advance
Why would it have an air valve? It's a coil, they don't use air
@@SpencerBaum oh ok because my downhill bike with a fox rc4 coil suspension has an air valve thats why im asking
@@kevinandreiomengan9202 the air valve on the RC4 is basically for a small air chamber to stop bottom outs. Most coil shocks don't have that feature
Im riding coil only on dh bikes
But only because rockshox released the meg neg upgrade
So it performs like a coil but is much lighter and has the consitancy of a fork(air characteristics)
I wish I understood what you are talking about here because it sounds as though it might be helpful. I always put poor performance down to my riding ability and never think to adjust anything. I also have doubts that I could even tell the difference if they were adjusted.
If I’m riding poorly its almost always remedied with an improved setup. Theres definitely a big difference in my confidence and ability between a well set up bike and a poorly setup bike. I’ll never take risks on a bike that doesn’t feel set up to my preferences. Bar height, bar roll, and suspension setup play a huge part in how fast I can ride a bike down a trail.
What bike are you on and how much do you weigh? I may be able to get you on a better setup to see if it helps you
@@mtbtelly5522 Giant Reign Advanced 1 and everything is stock. 85-90kg riding weight (lower if I've had a good week and higher if I'm running a lot of water and a 2am Kebab in me). My 'Mt Narra speed run' recent video is probably the best showcase of the style of riding I do. Generally so focused on not stacking that I can't think about bike setup. I try to run 30% sag in the rear because that's what everyone says to do, but that's as far as I go.
Edit: Come to think of it, I think I bought the bike because of your review a few years ago. I also changed to cranks to 165mm on your recommendation and it was a major improvement in avoiding pedal strikes.
@@RideyRodney haha the old 2am Kebab is just a part of life.
On that bike, I’d take the spacer out of the shock and run it a little higher in pressure to compensate, and see how thst feels. Add pressure until it feels like you have enough support. That should nake the back end feel more compliant as well as a little more pleasant on the climbs. Fork seems ok for now from your runs. I love the vids man.
With coil, it really benefits from having a custom tune. I tried a dvo on my sb150 and meh. I then put on a cascade link and a custom tuned EXT STORIA and it feels amazing. With the bottom out support there is no need to over spring it. I seem to be able to run much faster rebound on coil too.
Went from push to ext and it's a different world for sure. I did have spring on the softer side for push, but still ext is amazing
The SB150 standard link has an excellent curve for running a coil, and you’re right about having the appropriate tune on the shock for it to perform properly. You don’t find it bucky off the lips of jumps at all with the cascade link and the ext?
@@mtbtelly5522 That buck you are feeling......I can't imagine that progressivity is the cause. My Dh bike has got 65% and there is no bucking.
Maybe the damping is a little off🤔
@@nicoofner85 I’ve put it down to progression as the way I’ve always been able to remedy it is through backing off of the progression a touch. The buck I’m describing is the result of increasing the progression just a little further than is functional. I use it as the point of diminishing returns when setting up a bike. Too progressive means too much force build-up at full compression and the resulting energy return/release overpowering your bodyweight and shifting you upwards and forwards.
Eg an overly progressive setup in an air shock; starting pressure 150psi vs pressure at full compression being 280psi. Next to same shock with 2 less tokens 150 starting pressure, increasing to 240psi at full compression. The 240 psi doesn’t have as much returning force at the 280psi therefor not bucking you upward or forward enough to be classified as bucking.
Excess compression leads to harshness, and a really rough ride, but is still independant to the buck feeling I describe.
You DH bike runs at a deeper sag yeah?
I’m running within the confinds of a trail/enduro bike, keeping the sag where the bike performs best on both climbs and descents
@@mtbtelly5522 Interesting.
My DH bike is quite stiff....20 to 25% sag with 65% progression.
The reason for the springs not being consistent is because fox and rockshox both suck. Both are extremely inconsistend.
No Idea about the MRP, but Raceonlysprings for progressive springs and SAR or the Fast supension and EXT springs for linear are accurate.
Raceonly and SAR are made by Eibach....they produce springs for WRC and so on as well, so top quality
The fox and rockshox seem consistent within their own branded increments, they just don’t translate over to each other or to other brands potentially. What an annoyance. Cheers for the info, I’ll check them out and see if I can get some info on their relativity to eachother
This is the kind of video that leaves me more confused than I was before...
Hahaha, sorry
друг, сделай drop test megneg! очень прошу
Can’t understand what your saying😅💁