It's even more upsetting since Mark Hamill's always wanted to do a Killing Joke adaptation and when they finally give it to him they arbitrarily take the focus away from the Joker for much of the movie
Can you imagine Mark Hamill waiting decades to bookend a career-defining character only to end up playing second fiddle to a plot nobody wanted? Man, what are the odds....
People wanted an animated adaptation of The Killing Joke but what they got was a Bruce Timm Batman and Batgirl fanfiction with The Killing Joke tacked on to the end.
@@lewiskazinsky7334 if I had a nickel for every time such a thing happened, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
pretty much the whole DCAU it's his fanfiction, and it's pretty damn good, pronably the best thing that DC has ever produced besides comics, I think that It is fair, it is his universe, he can ship batman with barbara, what's not okey it's that the killing joke has bigger problems
I think the DCAU was so good was because other people worked with Tim and could edit him and bring their own ideas. Once Tim was given the chance to go PG-13, we realized he's kinda a pervert
Lil_Tex Yes, but even in Batman Beyond, Barbara looks back on her romantic relationship with Bruce fondly ... not being rejected by Bruce shortly after "the one incident" in which Bruce himself felt was a mistake . . If she thought that relationship was good, than Bruce Timm opted to make her character delusional, but she looked more keen than that in Batman Beyond. The relationship wasn't done tastefully in the Killing Joke. In Batman Beyond, Barbara made it sound to Terry, that her relationship with Bruce was more than just some fling, but was indeed a relationship that was going on for a while, and she was the one who left because Bruce didn't want to hang up the cape and cowl. She wanted more from him, but he couldn't pull himself away from the mission.... the neverending mission.
wow, you got me there with your totally original comment kid! its such an smart and witty comment too!! you should totally brag with your friends about the comment you just made!! but don't tell your mommy because you will get in trouble kid!! she would think you know what a vagina actually is, instead of using it becuase you think is a funny sounding word.
Something tells me you got butthurt because of my comment? because i seen fanfiction far more interesting than this movie? does that bother you so much to the point you went with the most childish comment as a reply? Also nothing yells more insecurity than "you never seen a vagina!" as a reply. Do you love this movie? do you want to defend it that badly? why bother?
Barbara is not Bruce's daughter, she's Commissioner Gordon's daughter and Commissioner Gordon is old enough to have been an adult when Bruce Wayne's parents died. That makes Bruce and Barbara almost the same age. Why are you confused that two straight people had sex in an R-Rated film off screen?
Just goes to show how ridiculous it is to apply relationship in this way to comic continuity which has characters remain the same age for over 75 years. Better to just think of Bruce and Barbara as "consenting adults" and stop being afraid of your own boners.
Jim Slav dude no one wants to see Batman and Barbara have sex. That scene was insanely uncomfortable and it’s very understandable that most people don’t like it because Bruce sees Barbara as his daughter / daughter-in-law. No one is “afraid of their own boners”.
My 15 year old nephew watched it next to me on a plane and when they got to "that scene" his face twisted up and he sound very loudly "that's sick and wrong" then went on to complain about that the rest of the movie because he hated that so much.
dragon stare24 if you’re talking about the animated series that’s not what I’m talking about, I’m talking about the events of the the movie not the show but if you are talking about the movie then why bring up the comics it makes no sense
I just now realised that if you cut out tge first 30 minutes and replace it with a 20 minute opening showing Batman and Batgirl going up against a villian like maybe Firefly and beating him up really bad ,because they're kinda arch enemies in the Batgirl year one comic, then her quitung because she lost control and nearly killed him. That would've worked 10 times better than what Bruce "on the brink of drawing hentai" Tim showed.
Yep, and I hate it there too, but the thing with Beyond is at least we don't see it and it's only hinted at. I just pretend Mystery of the Batwoman doesn't exist.
I can understand why they did that, in order to avoid the whole "Woman in the Refrigerator" meme. If we started with only a few shots of Barbara (Batgirl or not) and then went straight to the shooting, the only purpose a otherwise strong character served was to promote Batman's story; it just could have been handled better than this, I suppose.
what? I"ve been gone SOO LONG. What happened to sadie? (You don't have to answer the question Xavier if you see this. EITHER WAY I'm happy for you of how far your channels come)
I NEED A MEDIC BAG!!! It's a long, crazy, wacky story, but Anna IS Sadie. I do not have a new girlfriend. She's still my one and only, even though she has a different name and face now.
@@AC-os1he nah, it was intentional. I mean, who wouldn't want to do it with Talia. Plus, his son is now the 4th Robin. If anything, he wasn't rapped. Batman is against that shit.
@@hammskie05 NA, IT'S JUST LAME, THE STORY ISN'T EVEN THAT GREAT, THE SAME ALAN MOORE HATE IT(BUT WELL, HE HATES ALMOST EVERYTHING, SO THE LAST ISN'T EXACTLY VALID)
@@hammskie05 1. 'CAUSE I LIKE YOUR COMMENT 2. 'CAUSE I LIKE COMMENT IN CAPITALS, IF I WOULD SCREAMING I WOULD USE"¡!" 3. IS SO FUNNY THAT ALAN MOORE DOESN'T LIKE ANYTHING, NOT EVEN HIS OWN STORIES(REMEMBER THAT HE IS A STRONG "IZQUIERDISTA")
It’s more impactful since Barb is like a daughter to him. He’s like a father figure to the bat crew since he’s older than them. Hell if he didn’t know Barb, it was still impactful since Gordon is a great friend to him and harming a friend’s family was still gonna hit him hard
I love how on Netflix the R rating if you check doesn't even mention sex so most people watching it for the first time on Netflix will be like "HOLY SHIT BAT PORN"
Happened to me, just wanted to watch a Batman movie with my uncle and red hood seemed good. I got way more than I expected from the movie, and not in a good way.
What Bruce Timm shockingly does not understand is that Barbara Gordon was not targeted because of her "dangerous" association with Batman, as one might suspect, but because of her more "safe" and stable relationship with her father. This is so clear, it's baffling that someone like Timm, so steeped in the lore, would fail to comprehend it. Instead, in trying to provide Barbara with "more character," Timm and Azzarello utterly disrespected her character. They put her in an awkward sexual liaison with Batman, not in service of her character, but simply to provide unnecessary further motivation for him. In the process, they turned Barbara into a cliché. And even setting aside the sexual missteps, the entire intro is just bland and generic. Had it been a standalone short, which it should have been, if it's to exist at all, it would be one best forgotten. Comparing it to BTAS is unfair, as even at its lowest point, the series never sank nearly so low, in its storytelling. And the actual adaptation misses so many opportunities, particularly to utilize those fantastically cinematic transitions from the book. What should have been one of the greatest Batman movies of all time, incomprehensibly, becomes a plodding mess, in the hands of the very people who should have been best positioned to knock it out of the park.
It irks me when a female character is introduced/used just for male character development, usually through sex. You’re absolutely right, it was a disrespect to her character entirely. This movie was dog water
@@raquele6470 i'm an armature writer, my first big fiction piece was something i wrote over the course of several months and rushed through a lot, and i could've adapted this book better
I like to imagine Batman abruptly stop laughing then grabbing Joker and judo slamming him into the ground and just beating the crap out of him before taking him back to Arkham.
I completely agree, I personally thought anything to fill that half hour, could have been a story that focuses on Joker and includes Batgirl, but Batman tells her to stay away because of what happened with Jason. It would be a good introduction to Barbara and who she is because general audiences may not be too familiar with her, and a great way to remind us how much of a threat Joker is.
@@hammskie05 The pacing was rushed in quite a few ways and I think they could have taken more time on the real story had they not wasted time on that stupid ass storyline at the beginning
@@willster2967 Yeah, that's what I mean. If they were to expand on the source material, maybe a buildup to the fake joker scene that actually makes sense, it would be way better.
What pisses me off bout this movir was the execution of joker's monologue and how rushed it was done. I've seen forestfire101 do alot better than the actual film of making you feel bad for the joker.
You know what's funny? My biggest beef with this movie was the rated R. It did not feel like an R. Deadpool, that's R. This? Not so much. I felt that this movie did not go far enough. What do I mean by that? Well we're supposed to go on this journey with Gordan. We're supposed to see what he sees, hear what he hears, and what did we get? Flash cards, fast ride, and a musical number. We didn't experience the torment, the torture the man went through. It just did not go far enough and that was what disappointed me the most. Sad, because I used to say "Warner brothers needs to give Bruce Timm full reign into a Universe Movie Franchise," but now thanks to this movie and Harley Quinn movie I don't think that would be for the best. It shows that Bruce did good with a good team. That team sadly is either retired, or passed on.
If they were going to do a half hour prequel section, they should have had a segment with Bruce, Dick and Barbara. The good old days of the Bat-Family. A status quo destroyed in part by the Joker and in part by Bruce driving Dick away.
I swear to God if Paul Dini was the writer of this animated movie, he would absolutely will make the Killing Joke's story ten times better and will never let that Bruce/Barbara scene ever happen. Like, look at his work, sure he isn't as big of a comic book writer compare to Loeb or Snyder or Miller etc. But he made the greatest superhero cartoon of all time, Batman: The Animated Series. Like, that series was soo good, it became the first cartoon to won an Emmy award for the Heart of Ice episode. Which was a spectacular episode and one of the best from the series. Dini also wrote the first two greatest superhero video games, Batman: Arkham Asylum and Batman: Arkham City. Like those two video games were brilliantly well made, it actually made me felt that I was Batman and the storytelling, character development and the overall writing is fantastic. It was just like playing in the same universe as in the comics or the Animated Series. Like literally, Paul Dini brought his amazing skills as a writer and understanding of the characters from the cartoons to the video games. Paul Dini should've wrote the Killing Joke animated movie and it would've been a way better film then it already was. But oh well.
Agreed. I actually have more faith in Dini than I do with Timm because Timm seems to need other people around him to keep him in check to create good content. Let’s see what Timm has done by himself. The killing joke and the Batman and Harley Quinn movie. Meanwhile, Dini has done Arkham Asylum and City and when Knight came out you could easily notice a massive drop in quality since he wasn’t involved with that story
@godzillazfriction Yeah, whiny bitch Todd. And Joker ghost infection contrived bullshit where all the other villains are overshadowed and the female characters are damsels in distress. Perfect.
My favourite animated Batman movie is Batman beyond return of the joker and it’s not just because of the joker death scene i loved everything in the film
laz kar yeah maybe but Batman beyond is one of my favourite Batman cartoons hell I’d say i prefer it over Batman the animated series I don’t hate the animated series I just think it’s overrated
I completely agree with your bit about Under the Red Hood. I loved the comic version but the movie is the definitive version of that story in my eyes. Also I love you
My theory for the ending of the Killing Joke goes like this: this is probably the ONLY time EVER Joker will get to hear Batman laugh. So obviously he’s gonna clam up and enjoy every moment of it he can.
Saw this in the theater and I remember sitting through the first 30 minutes wondering how the hell the creepy guy was connected to Joker. I thought they had expanded the story and it was going to be related to Joker's scheme somehow but NOPE! I think what happened is that because the original story is so popular, getting a theater release would allow more money. However in order to do that, the movie had to be much longer so they came up with a random story that involved Batgirl to sort of, but not really tie to her getting shot by Joker. It felt like watching 2 tv episodes back-to-back because of how unrelated they were. If you're not going to expand on the actual Killing Joke story, at least make Joker the villain throughout the whole thing.
I thought the sex scene was completely unnecessary too, although I assumed that the point of the first act was to give Batgirl a swan song before crippling her, which would have been a better answer. They completely failed at it, of course, but it would have been a better reason to use Batgirl in this movie. It is tonally out of sync with the rest of the movie, the Paris Franz character was terrible and added nothing to the story, and even if I could buy the idea of Batgirl getting "hot for teacher," that doesn't mean we needed to see it happen. I kept thinking a better first act could've been Batgirl vs Harley. Obviously Harley didn't exist when the graphic novel came out, but they still used a still of her in the film, so whatever. Not only is it a viable parallel between Batman and Joker, but Harley kind of proves Joker's thesis that anyone can become like him, so what if he COULD break Gordon the way he did Harley? He did that to her during therapy, and he's got Gordon all to himself. If you used a desperate, strung out Harley struggling with the knowledge that Joker doesn't love her and that she threw her old life away for nothing, that could be an appropriately heartbreaking moment, it could give Barbara a reason to question her own devotion to Batman, and that in turn could leave Batman questioning his influence on others, and the cost of his rivalry with men like the Joker. It would leave him in exactly the right mindset when the graphic novel's story actually picks up. But they didn't do that, so boo.
I also saw this in the theater. Almost walked out. I'd been dreaming of this adaptation for decades...Timm...Conroy...Hamill. Then it came out, and I was floored by how badly they fumbled it.
I think the video you need to make should be "what happened to Bruce Timm" because lately hes been making very questionable choices and tbh has made me look at him different. which sucks really because he was the mastermind behind the original animated series.
The Oracle thing was probably in there because when the "Killing Joke" book came out they got a lot of static for paralyzing Barba Gordon (more of that Women in Refrigerators thing, or something akin to it), even the invention of Oracle didn't please a lot of them because they said it was an afterthought and not planned out all along.
Bruce Timm paved the way for all the content creators out there now who can’t write a story without including their own sexual needs and fetishes, and are even driven by them. What a legacy.
Watching this made me think this: what if the first 30 mins was Barbara’s early days as Batgirl; building their relationship (a PLATONIC relationship) and it could end with a classic Batman/Joker fight which leads to him going to Arkham and then cue Killing Joke.
Imagine this being the first comic you ever read, making you fall in love with the world as well as the medium, then hoping for years to get an adaptation with the legendary Hamil and Conroy, then getting this. ...bet that would suck... If they were pushing for run time, I still think this movie should have been The Man Who Laughs followed by the Killing Joke.
@@michaelbirkinshaw524 You mean the supervillians' minions bar. Cringey as F. As well Harley fart joke in the Batmovile. I mean, that movie has so many problems, I can name the one good scene easier than listing half the flaws.
Speaking of, now I think about this, this Killing Joke movie is actually more forgettable to me than the Harley movie... and the part I do remember is the cringy sex scene with Batgirl. ...I'm starting to think the Killing Joke is worse-- Nevermind, i just remembered the Swap Thing plot. Man that movie is dumb...
THE KILLING JOKE WAS NOT OVER RATED. Was one of my favorite stories. But yeah, the film was kinda bloated in the beginning. They should have consulted the original writers on this.
Batman has had a lot of relationships in the past. All of his side kicks have had their fair share too, with Jason Todd even having slept with Talia Al Ghul, Batman's ex, and Starfire, Dick Grayson's ex. Sometimes Barbara is Dick Grayson's girl and sometimes she's flirting with Jason. All of this isn't so bad. But I think most Batman fans agree, that one of the last fucking things any of us wanted to see in a movie or comic, is Batman having sex with one of his sidekicks. Holy shit is that bad.
I find it interesting how heavyhanded that scene is between Bruce and Barbara in mystery of the batwoman considering Bruce Timm had nothing to do with that movie
I don't really mind the idea of the post-credits Oracle scene, if only because the idea of Barbara bouncing back from tragedy is sort of a mirror for how Gordon doesn't let what the Joker does to him break him either. Besides, Barbara getting shot and crippled was one of the thing detractors hated about the story, because it just abruptly ended her tenure as Batgirl and the writers had no further plans for her for a long time. I could see why they'd want to avoid hitting that kind of note again.
They thought a sexual relationship was needed to make Batman sadder over Barbra being actually paralyzed? Great, can't wait for the Under the Red Hood remake where Bruce was doinking Jason too.
I thought the relationship was super creepy between Batgirl and Batman. And I wondered Batman’s sexual desire for Batgirl was tied to Gordon in some way. Was their attraction real? Stress/isolation induced? Did they just get their wires crossed, confusing one set of feelings for another? Then I wondered adding any of this made the story better. But I realized it didn’t. It made it convoluted, contrived, creepy fan-service. Timm is a legend. But this story, and that Batman and Harley Quinn film is the te reason that I don’t buy DCAU films blindly anymore. I watch them first.
I feel the destruction of Bludhaven was pretty important, as Batman is faced with what is most likely the death of one son, just as another is is holding him at gunpoint.
Honestly, I think Killing Joke is almost impossible to adapt into an animated movie if your goal is to make an amazing film out of it because it's pretty much a short story that you can read through a lunch break and they stretched it out to meet the standards of a feature length film. As much as like Bruce Timm's art (I think he's a great artist and I respect his work towards BTAS) he always seems to have fetish about characters fondling each other on a weird basis. So much so that he's drawing porn about them. I don't know, it kind of makes me very uneasy about it when we're talking about comic book characters being drawn for a kids cartoon. That explains why Bruce/Barbara relationship was always very unsettling to me. It's obvious that Bruce Wayne is a womanizing bachelor who can turn on chicks left and right, but Barbara is Dick Grayson's age and Bruce is Dick's foster father. That kind of shit would only slide in fanmade porn movies.
Red hood and killing joke are two of my favourite batman stories, because they both look at batman's flaws as a character, i think maybe to fill time somehow intertwining them would have at least been interesting rather than just making animators work on fan fiction, this probably wouldn't work but my favourite batman stuff is where it uses the other bat family so i'm not really qualified
The Joker put it there to mess with you. I now want to see the Joker recreate Loss in a really gruesome, twisted fashion in the comics. I didn't know I needed to see that, but I did.
I remember looking forward to seeing the scene where Joker monologues over the PA system to Batman near the end. But they brushed by it so quickly. It baffles me that a fan made 3D animation of the scene is so much more effective than the official film version. (The one by "jwhit3d") Not every DC animated movie is a winner, some of them are just outright bad, like Crisis on Two Earths, but I was really hoping this would be one of the great ones. All of the subtlety and precision from Alan Moore's pages are sadly absent however.
Death in the family, Year One, The Dark Knight Returns, The Killing Joke, The Long Halloween, The Court Of Owls... There’s just so many great Batman stories!
One thing I hate about this movie compared to the comic is just how drab and ugly it is. The comic is beautiful and colorful and stylized, while this feels like it's trying to be as broodish as possible. But that's kind of a problem with most animated comic book movies, actually. The Long Halloween and even Crisis on Infinite Earths, which had beautiful art as comics, look INCREDIBLY dull in their movie counterparts. All the recent DC animated films just look so bland. Why is it that Japanese animation puts effort into replicating the artstyle from their comics into a new medium, but American superhero animation just doesn't, even when directly adapting a work? I guess they're low budget, but so was Hanna-Barbera and they have a more distinct & memorable look for these characters than these drab films. They can do so much better than this.
It's kinda weird that the killing joke is a self contained story but also simultaneously a crucial aspect to Batman's character which exists in every continuity since it was published, just without the ambiguity of the ending
Doctor: I’m sorry Gordon but she’ll never use her legs again Batman: I’m sorry she really was using her legs on that rooftop hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe Awkward silence Batman: I’m not sorry Jumps out of window
Great video! You’re great at explaining your points, reasons, and opinions as always and you somehow tell them humorously too! Also, the editing was as good as ever.
MangoCoal01 Thanks so much! Anna was really nervous about the editing since it was her first time doing a project like this, but so far the response has been great and she feels a lot better!
I think they added more for Batgirl in the movie because there has been a slowly growing distaste among comic readers about all female characters existing solely to be "fridged" to make bad guys cooler and more threatening and to give good guys heightened motivation. And Batgirl was most definitely "fridged" in this story. And you can excuse that in that it was one of the earlier comics to do it, but it became such a god damn thing in the 90s and 00s, that I don't think they felt they could have done the story without giving Batgirl some agency and character development-- at least before and after the main story.
I feel like a lot of the famous stories like year one, killing joke, Gotham by Gaslight etc would work great in a high quality animated series with 45-60 minute episodes rather than feature length movies.
I personally liked the movie. I did find the scene with batman and Batgirl a little off putting though, however I did think that showing Batgirl in action before the shooting did help drive the message home a bit better. The end credit scene also drilled for me the importance of not letting sircomstance stop you from doing what is needed.
Honestly, I really like a dissonance with happy music and upbeat Joker singing to the horrific visuals. Also, I definitely would’ve preferred it to just be Joker in it (until the end.)
I have to admit, when the Killing Joke animated movie came out I was very underwhelmed. I had such high hopes for this and so did lots of others but it's so hard to enjoy it at times. I would have loved it a bit more if it had more colour like the original graphic novel. This was a great review! It's such a treat to look at my recommended page and see your uploading more often. (Also if it's not to much of a hassle, I I said something to you in the DMs on IG) Thank you
I never understood how bruce timm never got a creepy vibe from his ship, barbara is the daughter of bruce's friend, she's around the age of his son, SHE DATES HIS SON, and this doesn't only happen in the comics, it is also a thing in the dcau, the universe in which he worked, it's just so creepy. And I actually liked the oracle scene, this plot uses barbara (and jim gordon) as devices to show how messed up the joker is and traumatize and cripple her, kinda shitty how one of the most shocking and important events of her character happen without her having any say or relevancy to the actual plot, it doesnt happen bc of her, its bc of her connections to others, but I do think that the scene was misplaced, maybe they could have done a batgirl movie after this instead
What I hate about Batman is that the writers ship him with every card carrying member of the vagina club. He's slept with practically every female member of his rogue gallery at least once and many female members of the Justice league also. Hell, he's even been date raped TWICE and they brush it off like it ain't nothing.
I can't stand the fact that Bruce Wayne had sex with Barbara Gordon! They may not be blood related but that's no excuse for Batman who is essentially a FATHER-FIGURE to Batgirl to screw her! It reminds me of this movie I caught on television one day that told the story of a fading marriage between a man and a woman which led to the husband having an affair with a very young girl. He even went as far as to claim and set up the supposed fact that he's her father! WTF?????????????
I think the idea, is to push american animation into a place with more mature themes, since over in Japan their range covers all ages and in America, its still considered a vehicle for toys. See HBOs Spawn for a bolder attempt. This transition can feel clunky and would hopefully evolve with time, but after considering all of your suggestion, the overly streamlined "tight" narrative can also get dull as it would constantly track the same two characters.
Clearly what Red Hood was missing was a sex scene between Bruce and Jason.
substandardlysubpar Is it weird to say that I would still watch ;-;
Ah, that's what it was. That's what was missing
Oh, of course! How did we not think if this before.
LOL
substandardlysubpar no,nononono o ono ono...
It's even more upsetting since Mark Hamill's always wanted to do a Killing Joke adaptation and when they finally give it to him they arbitrarily take the focus away from the Joker for much of the movie
Can you imagine Mark Hamill waiting decades to bookend a career-defining character only to end up playing second fiddle to a plot nobody wanted? Man, what are the odds....
People wanted an animated adaptation of The Killing Joke but what they got was a Bruce Timm Batman and Batgirl fanfiction with The Killing Joke tacked on to the end.
@@Xehanort10 yeah it was ultimately a dissapointment.
@@lewiskazinsky7334 if I had a nickel for every time such a thing happened, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
I didn’t mind the movie really. At least we got it
The first 30 minutes was pure fanfiction from Bruce Tim
pretty much the whole DCAU it's his fanfiction, and it's pretty damn good, pronably the best thing that DC has ever produced besides comics, I think that It is fair, it is his universe, he can ship batman with barbara, what's not okey it's that the killing joke has bigger problems
I think the DCAU was so good was because other people worked with Tim and could edit him and bring their own ideas. Once Tim was given the chance to go PG-13, we realized he's kinda a pervert
Sean Miller if I recall even in the DCAU Barbara mentioned in B.B. that her and Bruce dated
Lil_Tex Yes, but even in Batman Beyond, Barbara looks back on her romantic relationship with Bruce fondly ... not being rejected by Bruce shortly after "the one incident" in which Bruce himself felt was a mistake . . If she thought that relationship was good, than Bruce Timm opted to make her character delusional, but she looked more keen than that in Batman Beyond. The relationship wasn't done tastefully in the Killing Joke. In Batman Beyond, Barbara made it sound to Terry, that her relationship with Bruce was more than just some fling, but was indeed a relationship that was going on for a while, and she was the one who left because Bruce didn't want to hang up the cape and cowl. She wanted more from him, but he couldn't pull himself away from the mission.... the neverending mission.
bigevilworldwide1 I felt like they wasted the talents of Hamill and Conroy, and in a way, had them betray their long-standing quality characters.
I did not need to know those Bruce Timm pictures existed
It's the internet. I've known for years...
That is not the worst of it.....
Oh God DAMNIT
Now I just have to look them up. I'm too curious wish me lu------------.........
@@theaddictofgaming9174
Hello? HELLO!? ARE YOU THERE? WHAT DID YOU SEE!?
Bruce Timm’s creepy fetish fueled fan fiction happened
I seen creepy fanfiction far more interesting that this boring ass movie.
wow, you got me there with your totally original comment kid! its such an smart and witty comment too!! you should totally brag with your friends about the comment you just made!! but don't tell your mommy because you will get in trouble kid!! she would think you know what a vagina actually is, instead of using it becuase you think is a funny sounding word.
Something tells me you got butthurt because of my comment? because i seen fanfiction far more interesting than this movie? does that bother you so much to the point you went with the most childish comment as a reply? Also nothing yells more insecurity than "you never seen a vagina!" as a reply.
Do you love this movie? do you want to defend it that badly? why bother?
slifer875 Batman & Harley Quinn shouldn’t be rated PG-13
@Kyros Droztamyr why did you post that?
The fact that Batman is with someone who is in many iterations essentially his daughter in law is just icky and confusing
Jack Jaws' random videos my thoughts exactly
Barbara is not Bruce's daughter, she's Commissioner Gordon's daughter and Commissioner Gordon is old enough to have been an adult when Bruce Wayne's parents died. That makes Bruce and Barbara almost the same age. Why are you confused that two straight people had sex in an R-Rated film off screen?
^Daughter in Law....Dick is his adopted son. Dick is typically always in a relationship with Babs. Do you not know what daughter in law means lol.
Just goes to show how ridiculous it is to apply relationship in this way to comic continuity which has characters remain the same age for over 75 years. Better to just think of Bruce and Barbara as "consenting adults" and stop being afraid of your own boners.
Jim Slav dude no one wants to see Batman and Barbara have sex. That scene was insanely uncomfortable and it’s very understandable that most people don’t like it because Bruce sees Barbara as his daughter / daughter-in-law. No one is “afraid of their own boners”.
Dude! I saw it in theatres too. And my whole theatre starting going "NOOOO!" during the Batman/Barbara sex scene.
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My 15 year old nephew watched it next to me on a plane and when they got to "that scene" his face twisted up and he sound very loudly "that's sick and wrong" then went on to complain about that the rest of the movie because he hated that so much.
I saw this movie in theatres too and when the Batman/Barbara scene came up, everyone was like "OH GOD NO".
yelled "what the" out loud
Also wasn’t barbra dating robin/nightwing at the time?
dragon stare24 damn what’s DC doing Cucking Robin!?
BibbyBoxx2219 I said if he dating Barbra during it not if he was there during it
dragon stare24 if you’re talking about the animated series that’s not what I’m talking about, I’m talking about the events of the the movie not the show but if you are talking about the movie then why bring up the comics it makes no sense
@@bibbyboxx2219 So... Robin was banging Starfire, then?
Nadia Rey yes, Dick and Kory were together at the time.
I just now realised that if you cut out tge first 30 minutes and replace it with a 20 minute opening showing Batman and Batgirl going up against a villian like maybe Firefly and beating him up really bad ,because they're kinda arch enemies in the Batgirl year one comic, then her quitung because she lost control and nearly killed him. That would've worked 10 times better than what Bruce "on the brink of drawing hentai" Tim showed.
Adjacent Films22 I would rather have had a flashback retelling the first time Batman and The Joker had ever fought.
Demonte Price Your idea is alot better! But i'm pretty sure Bruce Timm could screw that up.
And way better than "Paris France"
Could've had both. Give Barbara more to do but also show more of Batman and Joker's relationship
Heck, add The Man Who Laughs at the start to establish Batman and the Joker's relationship better.
Oh you mean the movie where Bruce Timm had to work in his weird Bruce/Barbara ship instead of just leaving it in fanfiction?
Comic Fan Nicolas he pulled the same stunt in batman beyond
Yep, and I hate it there too, but the thing with Beyond is at least we don't see it and it's only hinted at. I just pretend Mystery of the Batwoman doesn't exist.
@@comicfannicolas3645 Mystery of the Batwoman is not a bad novie but the scene with Babs was trash
I can understand why they did that, in order to avoid the whole "Woman in the Refrigerator" meme. If we started with only a few shots of Barbara (Batgirl or not) and then went straight to the shooting, the only purpose a otherwise strong character served was to promote Batman's story; it just could have been handled better than this, I suppose.
Chup Smith The movie threw her in the refrigerator more then the comic book version ever did. BT should not do any more movies.
“I censored all the porn” lol good job Anna *claps*
WHAT'S THAT MEAN?
Nikolai Belinski uuuummm batgirl flip batman and joker heck batgirl
what? I"ve been gone SOO LONG. What happened to sadie? (You don't have to answer the question Xavier if you see this. EITHER WAY I'm happy for you of how far your channels come)
I NEED A MEDIC BAG!!! It's a long, crazy, wacky story, but Anna IS Sadie. I do not have a new girlfriend. She's still my one and only, even though she has a different name and face now.
GodzillaMendoza wow sp00ky blew my mind keep making good vids
I never liked the idea of batman as a sexual character.
Sex is a pleasure of the flesh and Bruce has cultivated his mind to focus on being batman.
@Jeramya Robinson he was raped
Batman I think was the first comic book character to have sex
@@AC-os1he nah, it was intentional. I mean, who wouldn't want to do it with Talia. Plus, his son is now the 4th Robin. If anything, he wasn't rapped. Batman is against that shit.
@@LegoLiam1803 ma man it's a fact she drugged his drink to cloud his judment. He may have wanted to be he wouldn't have if he wasn't drugged.
@@AC-os1he oh ok
The ACTUAL Killing Joke part is great. I just skip the first 30 minutes.
Same
@@hammskie05 NA, IT'S JUST LAME, THE STORY ISN'T EVEN THAT GREAT, THE SAME ALAN MOORE HATE IT(BUT WELL, HE HATES ALMOST EVERYTHING, SO THE LAST ISN'T EXACTLY VALID)
@@ArcTrooper269 Ok, first of all. Why is it me you're responding to? Secondly, why all caps? And third, what the fuck are you talking about?
@@hammskie05 1. 'CAUSE I LIKE YOUR COMMENT 2. 'CAUSE I LIKE COMMENT IN CAPITALS, IF I WOULD SCREAMING I WOULD USE"¡!" 3. IS SO FUNNY THAT ALAN MOORE DOESN'T LIKE ANYTHING, NOT EVEN HIS OWN STORIES(REMEMBER THAT HE IS A STRONG "IZQUIERDISTA")
@@ArcTrooper269 How do you like my comment more than the actual comment though? Also that Alan Moore thing is pretty funny I gotta admit.
It’s more impactful since Barb is like a daughter to him. He’s like a father figure to the bat crew since he’s older than them.
Hell if he didn’t know Barb, it was still impactful since Gordon is a great friend to him and harming a friend’s family was still gonna hit him hard
And just like any father, Bruce sleeps with his daughter.
@@fynnthefox9078he's not that much older than her
It was weird when batgirl was getting banged by batman
It kind of looked vice versa.
This movie was only rated r for violence and bloody images it wasn't supposed to have sex in it
@@christianchappell4193 fr
@@christianchappell4193 and the movie shows no nudity like it never shows barba,s ta ta s
Wait, what is Batgirl's and Batman's age difference? I am scared to know now...
I love how on Netflix the R rating if you check doesn't even mention sex so most people watching it for the first time on Netflix will be like "HOLY SHIT BAT PORN"
Happened to me, just wanted to watch a Batman movie with my uncle and red hood seemed good. I got way more than I expected from the movie, and not in a good way.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED ACTUALLY
What Bruce Timm shockingly does not understand is that Barbara Gordon was not targeted because of her "dangerous" association with Batman, as one might suspect, but because of her more "safe" and stable relationship with her father. This is so clear, it's baffling that someone like Timm, so steeped in the lore, would fail to comprehend it.
Instead, in trying to provide Barbara with "more character," Timm and Azzarello utterly disrespected her character. They put her in an awkward sexual liaison with Batman, not in service of her character, but simply to provide unnecessary further motivation for him. In the process, they turned Barbara into a cliché.
And even setting aside the sexual missteps, the entire intro is just bland and generic. Had it been a standalone short, which it should have been, if it's to exist at all, it would be one best forgotten. Comparing it to BTAS is unfair, as even at its lowest point, the series never sank nearly so low, in its storytelling.
And the actual adaptation misses so many opportunities, particularly to utilize those fantastically cinematic transitions from the book. What should have been one of the greatest Batman movies of all time, incomprehensibly, becomes a plodding mess, in the hands of the very people who should have been best positioned to knock it out of the park.
That's because Timm doesn't respect Moore. Simple as.
It irks me when a female character is introduced/used just for male character development, usually through sex. You’re absolutely right, it was a disrespect to her character entirely. This movie was dog water
@@raquele6470 i'm an armature writer, my first big fiction piece was something i wrote over the course of several months and rushed through a lot, and i could've adapted this book better
Bruce timm has a serious problem.
This movie is really disrespectful to the story.
Ma man!
Yeah but Daredevil is better .
@@boergerplays8353 What?
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I think he's talking about the TV show and yeah that in my opinion is definitely better than this movie!
I like to imagine Batman abruptly stop laughing then grabbing Joker and judo slamming him into the ground and just beating the crap out of him before taking him back to Arkham.
Agree.
"All it takes is one bad day"
Sounds like the makings for a Venom movie without Spider-Man.........oh wait!
Dr.Spidey Poole
Dread it
Run from it
Destiny still arrives
Venom is being based on Lethal Protector, read the comic. Spidey played little part in the comic.
@@Daxx227 brah that was just a joke. Stop killing it.
MetaGamingHound
Eddie would of fucking died if Spidey didn't save his ass when Carlton captured him.
Venom was decent
I completely agree, I personally thought anything to fill that half hour, could have been a story that focuses on Joker and includes Batgirl, but Batman tells her to stay away because of what happened with Jason.
It would be a good introduction to Barbara and who she is because general audiences may not be too familiar with her, and a great way to remind us how much of a threat Joker is.
The Animated film of Batman: The Killing Joke should’ve started when Batman went to Arkham to talk to Joker about their relationship.
@the_punisher I imagine they could have padded it out somehow
@@hammskie05
The pacing was rushed in quite a few ways and I think they could have taken more time on the real story had they not wasted time on that stupid ass storyline at the beginning
@@willster2967 Yeah, that's what I mean. If they were to expand on the source material, maybe a buildup to the fake joker scene that actually makes sense, it would be way better.
@@hammskie05
But nope they’d rather have batgirl fuck Batman.
God that’s just awful to say
What pisses me off bout this movir was the execution of joker's monologue and how rushed it was done. I've seen forestfire101 do alot better than the actual film of making you feel bad for the joker.
Emmanuel Cortez damn son its been like 5 years since i watched forestfire. nice one dude!
Forrest did a great job doing that scene
What has Forrest been doing lately
Emmanuel Cortez I mean it’s hard for you to feel bad for someone like joker who has killed millions with no remorse
Luna I used to love Forestfire, which video is it in?
I need that Bomb Squad hoodie.
Mr. Snarky I am the bomb squad
Isaiah Hall BOMBSQUAD
You know what's funny? My biggest beef with this movie was the rated R. It did not feel like an R. Deadpool, that's R. This? Not so much. I felt that this movie did not go far enough. What do I mean by that? Well we're supposed to go on this journey with Gordan. We're supposed to see what he sees, hear what he hears, and what did we get? Flash cards, fast ride, and a musical number. We didn't experience the torment, the torture the man went through. It just did not go far enough and that was what disappointed me the most. Sad, because I used to say "Warner brothers needs to give Bruce Timm full reign into a Universe Movie Franchise," but now thanks to this movie and Harley Quinn movie I don't think that would be for the best. It shows that Bruce did good with a good team. That team sadly is either retired, or passed on.
bgcorporation deadpool? That’s R😎
Well I mean he spent 15 years making kid stuff so of course he would want to experiment
Felt more like an episode of daredevil
That song is good though I loved it enough to like it on Spotify lol
@@jadenbryant9283how does making kids stuff have anything to do with this?
That Impression of Conroy's Batman was pretty good 🤣
Oh ik but it sounded close.
Agreed. along with Keaton
Bill Bricks 99 Productions and Roger Craig
Ultimate Hedgehog kevin porter in the bat in the sun does a damn good impression of Conroy!
WP Midnight Productions I honestly was wondering if it was actually dialogue up until "also I screwed your daughter"
I had a girlfriend once. The only thing she censored was my will to copulate.
Never heard it put that way before.😐
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If they were going to do a half hour prequel section, they should have had a segment with Bruce, Dick and Barbara. The good old days of the Bat-Family. A status quo destroyed in part by the Joker and in part by Bruce driving Dick away.
I swear to God if Paul Dini was the writer of this animated movie, he would absolutely will make the Killing Joke's story ten times better and will never let that Bruce/Barbara scene ever happen.
Like, look at his work, sure he isn't as big of a comic book writer compare to Loeb or Snyder or Miller etc. But he made the greatest superhero cartoon of all time, Batman: The Animated Series. Like, that series was soo good, it became the first cartoon to won an Emmy award for the Heart of Ice episode. Which was a spectacular episode and one of the best from the series.
Dini also wrote the first two greatest superhero video games, Batman: Arkham Asylum and Batman: Arkham City. Like those two video games were brilliantly well made, it actually made me felt that I was Batman and the storytelling, character development and the overall writing is fantastic. It was just like playing in the same universe as in the comics or the Animated Series.
Like literally, Paul Dini brought his amazing skills as a writer and understanding of the characters from the cartoons to the video games.
Paul Dini should've wrote the Killing Joke animated movie and it would've been a way better film then it already was. But oh well.
Yeah Brian sucks.
Odhran McKillen quick questions why can't studios just I don't know take the comic and adapt it to the big scene
Agreed. I actually have more faith in Dini than I do with Timm because Timm seems to need other people around him to keep him in check to create good content. Let’s see what Timm has done by himself. The killing joke and the Batman and Harley Quinn movie. Meanwhile, Dini has done Arkham Asylum and City and when Knight came out you could easily notice a massive drop in quality since he wasn’t involved with that story
@@xoler2167 story still good in knight
@godzillazfriction Yeah, whiny bitch Todd. And Joker ghost infection contrived bullshit where all the other villains are overshadowed and the female characters are damsels in distress. Perfect.
4:00
So what you're saying is Batman should have had sex with Gordon?
YES
It would still be less weird than what we got.
Ngl, that would have made WAY more sense
My favourite animated Batman movie is Batman beyond return of the joker and it’s not just because of the joker death scene i loved everything in the film
laz kar yeah maybe but Batman beyond is one of my favourite Batman cartoons hell I’d say i prefer it over Batman the animated series I don’t hate the animated series I just think it’s overrated
I personally like both the death scene for the Joker and all the scenes with Mark Hammil's Joker trying to one-up Terry, but Terry takes him down.
YOU’RE NOT BATMAN!
So basically, the whole first half of this film can be summed up by a quote from the Joker's death scene from RotJ:
"That's not funny."
The Return of Joker was a better adaption of Killing Joke than the actual adaption.
This movie ruined the killing joke.
Yeah, you're MUCH better off reading the original, and best, graphic novel.
And with the original colours, not the deluxe edition.
nah, I don't care about this shitty movie. killing joke comic is still one of my favourite comics.
This movie perfected it
No it did not.
I completely agree with your bit about Under the Red Hood. I loved the comic version but the movie is the definitive version of that story in my eyes.
Also I love you
4:22 iS tHiS lOsS?
good catch dude, I didn't notice that. gotta forfeit my meme card now lol
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Ninja2012Productions I swear to fucking god one of these days....
good catch, man! haha I was waiting for someone to point it out
Mhm
As a fan from the UK I need some bomb squad merch.
Best not to where that merch with a turbin. Especially in London.
My theory for the ending of the Killing Joke goes like this: this is probably the ONLY time EVER Joker will get to hear Batman laugh. So obviously he’s gonna clam up and enjoy every moment of it he can.
Saw this in the theater and I remember sitting through the first 30 minutes wondering how the hell the creepy guy was connected to Joker. I thought they had expanded the story and it was going to be related to Joker's scheme somehow but NOPE!
I think what happened is that because the original story is so popular, getting a theater release would allow more money. However in order to do that, the movie had to be much longer so they came up with a random story that involved Batgirl to sort of, but not really tie to her getting shot by Joker. It felt like watching 2 tv episodes back-to-back because of how unrelated they were. If you're not going to expand on the actual Killing Joke story, at least make Joker the villain throughout the whole thing.
I literally sat in the theatre like "is this the right movie?"
Probably the most disappointing movie experiences I've had
I thought the sex scene was completely unnecessary too, although I assumed that the point of the first act was to give Batgirl a swan song before crippling her, which would have been a better answer. They completely failed at it, of course, but it would have been a better reason to use Batgirl in this movie. It is tonally out of sync with the rest of the movie, the Paris Franz character was terrible and added nothing to the story, and even if I could buy the idea of Batgirl getting "hot for teacher," that doesn't mean we needed to see it happen.
I kept thinking a better first act could've been Batgirl vs Harley. Obviously Harley didn't exist when the graphic novel came out, but they still used a still of her in the film, so whatever. Not only is it a viable parallel between Batman and Joker, but Harley kind of proves Joker's thesis that anyone can become like him, so what if he COULD break Gordon the way he did Harley? He did that to her during therapy, and he's got Gordon all to himself. If you used a desperate, strung out Harley struggling with the knowledge that Joker doesn't love her and that she threw her old life away for nothing, that could be an appropriately heartbreaking moment, it could give Barbara a reason to question her own devotion to Batman, and that in turn could leave Batman questioning his influence on others, and the cost of his rivalry with men like the Joker. It would leave him in exactly the right mindset when the graphic novel's story actually picks up.
But they didn't do that, so boo.
When Joker sings "Only You" reminds me of when Batman sings "I am Blue" in that JL episode where Wonder Woman gets turned into a pig.
I also saw this in the theater. Almost walked out. I'd been dreaming of this adaptation for decades...Timm...Conroy...Hamill. Then it came out, and I was floored by how badly they fumbled it.
I think the video you need to make should be "what happened to Bruce Timm" because lately hes been making very questionable choices and tbh has made me look at him different. which sucks really because he was the mastermind behind the original animated series.
He needs people to keep him in check, filter out the ideas that work from the ones that don't. No different then say George Lucas, or Hideo Kojima.
At least George Lucas never made Anakin and Ahsoka fuck.
The Oracle thing was probably in there because when the "Killing Joke" book came out they got a lot of static for paralyzing Barba Gordon (more of that Women in Refrigerators thing, or something akin to it), even the invention of Oracle didn't please a lot of them because they said it was an afterthought and not planned out all along.
Aw! You and Anna are so cute! You are one lucky dude Mr. Mendoza!
Bruce Timm paved the way for all the content creators out there now who can’t write a story without including their own sexual needs and fetishes, and are even driven by them. What a legacy.
It was a problem in comics for a while before Timm lol. But he definitely popularized and made it "acceptable" in animation.
6:14 the day that tumbler went crazy
-With hate
All we literally did when the film hit DVD and Blu-Ray was skip the first painful to watch 30 minutes of this movie. Best decision of our lives.
Xavier actually uploading videos on a regular basis? What timeline is this?
AR Studios the one where Flash fucked up everything
Marco Brilli more like the one where Bruce Timm doesn’t make Batman and Harley Quinn a Rule 34 fan fic
*_-Max-_* Instead, he made a Nightwing and Harley Quinn fanfic.
Good question
Steel Xcaliber how about a Nightwing AND Batman & Harley Quinn fan fic
Watching this made me think this: what if the first 30 mins was Barbara’s early days as Batgirl; building their relationship (a PLATONIC relationship) and it could end with a classic Batman/Joker fight which leads to him going to Arkham and then cue Killing Joke.
Why haven't you hit 100,000 subscribers yet? your content is AMAZING or even ULTIMATE
Imagine this being the first comic you ever read, making you fall in love with the world as well as the medium, then hoping for years to get an adaptation with the legendary Hamil and Conroy, then getting this.
...bet that would suck...
If they were pushing for run time, I still think this movie should have been The Man Who Laughs followed by the Killing Joke.
Now you’re going to have to watch and review the fetish fuel nightmare that is Batman and Harley Quinn. :D
J Man only thing I remember from that movie is nightwing getting raped and that super heroin bar
@@michaelbirkinshaw524 You mean the supervillians' minions bar. Cringey as F. As well Harley fart joke in the Batmovile. I mean, that movie has so many problems, I can name the one good scene easier than listing half the flaws.
Speaking of, now I think about this, this Killing Joke movie is actually more forgettable to me than the Harley movie... and the part I do remember is the cringy sex scene with Batgirl. ...I'm starting to think the Killing Joke is worse--
Nevermind, i just remembered the Swap Thing plot. Man that movie is dumb...
Oh God the first time I saw that scene with Nightwing and Harley I thought that it was just a really well made fan film or something.
That was fuckin weird
Too bad the Killing Joke movie was such a disappointment. Could've had so much potential.
You can say the same for all the other recent DC animated films.
I really liked how the end credits is just the sound of rain for a few minutes. that was a really nice touch IMO.
THE KILLING JOKE WAS NOT OVER RATED.
Was one of my favorite stories. But yeah, the film was kinda bloated in the beginning. They should have consulted the original writers on this.
Batman has had a lot of relationships in the past. All of his side kicks have had their fair share too, with Jason Todd even having slept with Talia Al Ghul, Batman's ex, and Starfire, Dick Grayson's ex. Sometimes Barbara is Dick Grayson's girl and sometimes she's flirting with Jason. All of this isn't so bad. But I think most Batman fans agree, that one of the last fucking things any of us wanted to see in a movie or comic, is Batman having sex with one of his sidekicks. Holy shit is that bad.
I find it interesting how heavyhanded that scene is between Bruce and Barbara in mystery of the batwoman considering Bruce Timm had nothing to do with that movie
I don't really mind the idea of the post-credits Oracle scene, if only because the idea of Barbara bouncing back from tragedy is sort of a mirror for how Gordon doesn't let what the Joker does to him break him either. Besides, Barbara getting shot and crippled was one of the thing detractors hated about the story, because it just abruptly ended her tenure as Batgirl and the writers had no further plans for her for a long time. I could see why they'd want to avoid hitting that kind of note again.
This adaptation pisses me off to this very day, to the point where I'm looking to write my own adaptation.
They thought a sexual relationship was needed to make Batman sadder over Barbra being actually paralyzed? Great, can't wait for the Under the Red Hood remake where Bruce was doinking Jason too.
I thought the relationship was super creepy between Batgirl and Batman.
And I wondered Batman’s sexual desire for Batgirl was tied to Gordon in some way.
Was their attraction real? Stress/isolation induced?
Did they just get their wires crossed, confusing one set of feelings for another?
Then I wondered adding any of this made the story better. But I realized it didn’t. It made it convoluted, contrived, creepy fan-service.
Timm is a legend. But this story, and that Batman and Harley Quinn film is the te reason that I don’t buy DCAU films blindly anymore. I watch them first.
4:39 - LOL I thought that was actually Kevin Conroy for a second!
I feel the destruction of Bludhaven was pretty important, as Batman is faced with what is most likely the death of one son, just as another is is holding him at gunpoint.
Honestly, I think Killing Joke is almost impossible to adapt into an animated movie if your goal is to make an amazing film out of it because it's pretty much a short story that you can read through a lunch break and they stretched it out to meet the standards of a feature length film. As much as like Bruce Timm's art (I think he's a great artist and I respect his work towards BTAS) he always seems to have fetish about characters fondling each other on a weird basis. So much so that he's drawing porn about them. I don't know, it kind of makes me very uneasy about it when we're talking about comic book characters being drawn for a kids cartoon. That explains why Bruce/Barbara relationship was always very unsettling to me. It's obvious that Bruce Wayne is a womanizing bachelor who can turn on chicks left and right, but Barbara is Dick Grayson's age and Bruce is Dick's foster father. That kind of shit would only slide in fanmade porn movies.
I like how they played Batman and Joker’s relationship as paralleling a romantic one in the LEGO Batman Movie
The first half was un needed and when you get to the actual killing joke story it just got boring.
I'm gonna get my girlfriend pregnant just to buy the bomb squad baby onesie. Brb in 9 months.
JoaquizzleTwizzle it’s been 5 months. Have you done the deed?
Yes have you done it
8 months
Was it a boy?
Was it a girl
Red hood and killing joke are two of my favourite batman stories, because they both look at batman's flaws as a character, i think maybe to fill time somehow intertwining them would have at least been interesting rather than just making animators work on fan fiction, this probably wouldn't work but my favourite batman stuff is where it uses the other bat family so i'm not really qualified
Well, thank you for making me aware of the Batman version of Loss.
The Joker put it there to mess with you.
I now want to see the Joker recreate Loss in a really gruesome, twisted fashion in the comics. I didn't know I needed to see that, but I did.
This movie was a waste of Mark Hamill's talent
I don't buy UA-camr merch. But you may have just changed my mind.
I remember looking forward to seeing the scene where Joker monologues over the PA system to Batman near the end. But they brushed by it so quickly. It baffles me that a fan made 3D animation of the scene is so much more effective than the official film version. (The one by "jwhit3d") Not every DC animated movie is a winner, some of them are just outright bad, like Crisis on Two Earths, but I was really hoping this would be one of the great ones. All of the subtlety and precision from Alan Moore's pages are sadly absent however.
Death in the family, Year One, The Dark Knight Returns, The Killing Joke, The Long Halloween, The Court Of Owls... There’s just so many great Batman stories!
*Catwoman:* I'm not sharing Batman with you.
*Batgirl:* What? Ew.
One thing I hate about this movie compared to the comic is just how drab and ugly it is. The comic is beautiful and colorful and stylized, while this feels like it's trying to be as broodish as possible. But that's kind of a problem with most animated comic book movies, actually. The Long Halloween and even Crisis on Infinite Earths, which had beautiful art as comics, look INCREDIBLY dull in their movie counterparts. All the recent DC animated films just look so bland.
Why is it that Japanese animation puts effort into replicating the artstyle from their comics into a new medium, but American superhero animation just doesn't, even when directly adapting a work? I guess they're low budget, but so was Hanna-Barbera and they have a more distinct & memorable look for these characters than these drab films. They can do so much better than this.
It's kinda weird that the killing joke is a self contained story but also simultaneously a crucial aspect to Batman's character which exists in every continuity since it was published, just without the ambiguity of the ending
Doctor: I’m sorry Gordon but she’ll never use her legs again
Batman: I’m sorry she really was using her legs on that rooftop hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
Awkward silence
Batman: I’m not sorry
Jumps out of window
Be careful, office relationships don't always work!
Aside from that, great work from her!
Great video! You’re great at explaining your points, reasons, and opinions as always and you somehow tell them humorously too! Also, the editing was as good as ever.
MangoCoal01 Thanks so much! Anna was really nervous about the editing since it was her first time doing a project like this, but so far the response has been great and she feels a lot better!
I liked the way they handled the fallout of the sex. It was like watching 2 co-workers dealing with a one night stand and feeling awkward about it.
4:38 I heard that in Kevin's voice now I can't watch any scene with them in the animated series without hours of uncomfortable thoughts
Isn't Bruce like, way older than Barbara? I mean, I get Barbara is like, 18, but Bruce is definitely not in his 20s. XD
I'm happy we already have a good killing joke adaptation aka the cgi video here on UA-cam
I think they added more for Batgirl in the movie because there has been a slowly growing distaste among comic readers about all female characters existing solely to be "fridged" to make bad guys cooler and more threatening and to give good guys heightened motivation.
And Batgirl was most definitely "fridged" in this story. And you can excuse that in that it was one of the earlier comics to do it, but it became such a god damn thing in the 90s and 00s, that I don't think they felt they could have done the story without giving Batgirl some agency and character development-- at least before and after the main story.
"Cripple the bitch." - Len Wein.
Honestly their new "less sexist approach" wasn't any better.
They could have given her more to do than being horny for Batman.
I feel like a lot of the famous stories like year one, killing joke, Gotham by Gaslight etc would work great in a high quality animated series with 45-60 minute episodes rather than feature length movies.
I personally liked the movie. I did find the scene with batman and Batgirl a little off putting though, however I did think that showing Batgirl in action before the shooting did help drive the message home a bit better. The end credit scene also drilled for me the importance of not letting sircomstance stop you from doing what is needed.
Honestly, I really like a dissonance with happy music and upbeat Joker singing to the horrific visuals. Also, I definitely would’ve preferred it to just be Joker in it (until the end.)
I need me that mug, I don't even drink coffee, I just want it so I can do that slow sip that scares the shit outa people P.S. great vid
Goddamn it, Xavier. I was just working on my video on the Killing Joke. But in all seriousness, amazing video. And the editing was top notch, mai gai.
Honestly the Song doesn't work in the movie but it is fun to listen to outside of the film, for me at least.
I have to admit, when the Killing Joke animated movie came out I was very underwhelmed. I had such high hopes for this and so did lots of others but it's so hard to enjoy it at times. I would have loved it a bit more if it had more colour like the original graphic novel. This was a great review! It's such a treat to look at my recommended page and see your uploading more often. (Also if it's not to much of a hassle, I I said something to you in the DMs on IG) Thank you
I never understood how bruce timm never got a creepy vibe from his ship, barbara is the daughter of bruce's friend, she's around the age of his son, SHE DATES HIS SON, and this doesn't only happen in the comics, it is also a thing in the dcau, the universe in which he worked, it's just so creepy. And I actually liked the oracle scene, this plot uses barbara (and jim gordon) as devices to show how messed up the joker is and traumatize and cripple her, kinda shitty how one of the most shocking and important events of her character happen without her having any say or relevancy to the actual plot, it doesnt happen bc of her, its bc of her connections to others, but I do think that the scene was misplaced, maybe they could have done a batgirl movie after this instead
What I hate about Batman is that the writers ship him with every card carrying member of the vagina club. He's slept with practically every female member of his rogue gallery at least once and many female members of the Justice league also. Hell, he's even been date raped TWICE and they brush it off like it ain't nothing.
Jeremy Cote Catwoman is the only decent ship
12:18 When I'm waiting for Bomb-Squad PS4 to come out already
Thank you so much for this. It's great to hear you're back/can't wait for your next video.
4:27 I want a short clip with that voice sent to all MCU stans on Twitter threads
I can't stand the fact that Bruce Wayne had sex with Barbara Gordon! They may not be blood related but that's no excuse for Batman who is essentially a FATHER-FIGURE to Batgirl to screw her! It reminds me of this movie I caught on television one day that told the story of a fading marriage between a man and a woman which led to the husband having an affair with a very young girl. He even went as far as to claim and set up the supposed fact that he's her father! WTF?????????????
Can we get Jensen Ackles to be a live action solo Red Hood?
I would ABSOLUTELY LOVE a horror movie based on jokers backstory from the killing joke with Jack Napier as the main character
dude, you are like, my favorite youtuber
I think the idea, is to push american animation into a place with more mature themes, since over in Japan their range covers all ages and in America, its still considered a vehicle for toys. See HBOs Spawn for a bolder attempt. This transition can feel clunky and would hopefully evolve with time, but after considering all of your suggestion, the overly streamlined "tight" narrative can also get dull as it would constantly track the same two characters.