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When hostile aliens called the Formics attack Earth, only the legendary heroics of Mazer Rackham (Ben Kingsley) manage to attain a victory. To prepare for the next attack, Col. Hyrum Graff (Harrison Ford) and his cohorts initiate a military program to find the next Mazer. Recruit Ender Wiggin (Asa Butterfield) exhibits an unusual gift for the training, easily mastering all of the challenges thrown at him. Mazer Rackham, himself, takes Ender as a protege to prepare him for the oncoming war. The supporting cast includes Harrison Ford, Hailee Steinfeld, and Viola Davis, with Abigail Breslin and Ben Kingsley.
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What did you all think about this film? Was the book better? Did it meet your expectations?
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When JKR first started to be unhinged in public, a satire article was published entitled "Progress: We Now Have A Female Orson Scott Card". Ender's Game, the novel, and its sequel, changed my life for the better. The smartest thing the author ever did was shut his fool mouth.
In the book Ender was a lot younger when he was sent to Battle School. The movie has Ender towering over Bonzo. The whole thing hits different in the book where Bonzo is older and bigger.
@@Erichwanhno one cares about JKR’s personal politics, only her writing
It's an excellent book series. The book was better, but the adaptation was definitely better than expected.
Hailee Steinfeld is the girls name you were looking for. if things go forward in the mcu, she's the new hawkeye.
Fun fact, there were 0 training simulations. Every battle they fought for "training" were also actually real as well. Ender conquers like 80 planets
In the book some were training simulations. Ender and his team subconsciously recognized when the "game" started to really learn from their tactics, they verbally acknowledged the change in a conversation, but they didn't realize that it was because they had switched from simulations to actual command. They assumed they went from pure simulation to battling against Mazer and a team he had or something. They could tell there was a living mind thinking and strategizing on the other side. Which really drove home his idea of defeating "them", them being the people training him.
@@Galiant2010 very few were simulations, in the book Ender's Shadow which is Beans perspective it's shown that Bean knew the difference between the simulations and the real deal and knew the "graduation" was a real battle but didn't say anything or else it might impact the war.
There was plenty of simulations, just none after Mazer "took control" of the simulations
@@Galiant2010 which ties into the fact that Mazer initially told Ender at command school that from now on the enemy is the only teacher.
Shoulda read the book. It's training 'til he goes to ATS.
If I recall correctly a big part of Enders motivation to help the Fomics in the book that's left out of the movie, is that the Formics just have Queens and drones, so when they attacked earth they assumed they were just killing drones, or in other words killing off excess/mindless population (If I recall correctly in the book they compare killing excess/mindless population/killing drones to trimming toenails) but once Rackham killed the queen, the Formics realized that every single human they killed could think for themselves, essentially making them on the same level as their queens, and so stopped all their attacks on humanity, meaning that every single battle after the invasion of earth was humanity attacking/on the offensive and the Formics just trying to defend themselves.
It's been years since I read the book though so take it with a grain of salt, and if anyone has read it more recently feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Yeah that's pretty much it, killing the queen/murder was like an unthinkable thing to them
Yes, after they realized people are unique they just retreat
Spot on true. They basically accepted that if they got attacked back it would be justified but they would still fight to defend themselves and future queens hoping they could bring a different future.
I also remembered something similar to what you wrote - it's been years since I read the book, but I remembered it explained a lot more than the movie did. Too bad they left that part out of the movie, as it seems kind of important.
The author officially stated that the formic drones are actually sentient in a way but are forced to obey the queens order, as they'd die without the queens support. This is why I have no sympathy for the queen Formic as she essentially blackmailed her children into obeying her command and puts to question why she'd believe humans were mindless drones when even her own "drones" weren't mindless. This heavily implied that she is manipulating ender for the continued survival or her and her race.
Another important motivation from the books: when Ender chooses to sacrifice a ton of their own ships, and then fire at the alien planet (and commit genocide), part of him is doing it in the hopes that it will make the military *give up* on him - i.e. if he commits truly monstrous, evil acts in order to win their game, then maybe they'll rethink putting him in command of real forces. Which of course makes the reveal that they WERE real forces, and it WAS real genocide, all the more ironic and soul-destroying.
Oof, turns out some armies (well, some governments usually) aren't against genocide. 😬
And in Enders Shadow, Bean catches on before the final battle and he whispers what I remember as basically a little prayer/eulogy to his troops knowing they're gonna die for them and tell them someone knew of their sacrifice while they were alive.
Such a damn good book
@@khrisbreezy3628 What hit me the hardest at that moment reading the book was realizing all those men and women left their families, friends and all the people they knew to go on a 2 years mission with no certainty of success and never returning because by the time they got to their destination; all their love ones and the people they had known would have been dead due to the distant traveled.
@@khonhlo1476 Not just 2 year but like decades. If I remember correctly basically the moment the second invasion ended all the ships build were sent out for this invasion. So the oldest ships took longer because they had slower drives while newer ships would arrive faster. All timed to arrive around the same time. The final battle actually had some of the oldest ship models which means they were likely the first wave of people. The people that lived through the invasions decades ago, give up not just 2 years but decades.
@@RexZShadow I believe those men and women only traveled for about 2 years but due to the time dilation. Most of the people they had know would have died more than 10 years ago. If I recalled, the war has been going on for about 50 years and the home world of the formic was the further point they have to travel which is why most of the ship were of older models.
2 thing that were left out of the movie. 1st when Ender faced the bully at school and then Bonzo, he killed them, the adults didn't tell Ender those other kids died. but he eventually figured it out. that's where his crisis of conscience came from. 2nd in the book, the queen explains that they assumed humans were like them. thousands of mindless drones with few sentient queens. when they realized humans were individuals, they were horrified at what they had done, stopped the attack of earth, and withdrew. the humans then hunted them down and wiped out their entire species. they knew it was coming and since they were telepathic reached out to Ender to try to ensure their species would continue.
Most definitely. In the books, Peter and Valentine (Ender's siblings) eventually take over the planet through the use of pseudonyms in government papers. Peter becomes the Hegemon (leader) of the world because of it.
@@VeteranGaming_GamingUnited Plus the whole Bean thing
@@VeteranGaming_GamingUnited That was indeed some excellent writing and arguments that the entire world was reading and following their debate...and them both being geniuses knew how to hid their tracks so no one knew who the authors were.
@@johndurrett3573 The sister and brother storyline were utterly moronic.
Almost correct. They only realized about Humans AFTER the 2nd Formec War. Ender was leading the battles of the 3rd Formec War. The 1st Formec War was literally a completely unprepared humanity against a vanguard scouting force. The technology they learned from the Formecs helped them in the 2nd War, but not enough. It still came down to Mazer Rackham discovering the ship that the Queen was hiding on by observing the Formec flight patterns in battle. The Queen wasn't on an obvious Command Ship, but a smaller ship tucked out of the way of the main battle. After their defeat, the Formec Queens understood what they were dealing with and ceased further invasion attempts, but it was too late because humanity was desperate knowing that there was no way to completely protect Earth, and if it was taken humanity would become extinct.
"Your mother cheated, that's why you look like the plumber." My favorite line in the movie.
i believe if i remember correctly there was a scene they cut out where the queen explains that when they came to earth to colonize to fix their over population, they had assumed humans were just unintelligent animals when they blow up the queens ship the realize their mistake and some other stuff.
They tried to connect with us through the mind and since we didn’t have a Hive connection they assumed we were primitive
It also reminds me of the new Netflix series called 3 Body Problem on how the Santis said '"we're bugs"
@@inganhlapho5326 nope that's completely different. The trisolarans literally see humans as threats and know about our intelligence and potential. They call us bugs because of their inferiority complex, a trisolarans is as small as a rice grain. By calling humans bugs they're projecting. By the 2nd book humans even create an alternative to survive against the photoid strike which wipes out the trisolarans during the deterrence era. But the singer race wipes out humanity and Europe VI with a dual vector foil which compresses 3 D into 2D. And by the end of the third book humans and trisolarans become symbiotic to each other and live inside a micro universe.
They did live vivisections of humans not realizing that human bodies weren't just drones that could be disconnected from the hive mind, but had actual living consciousnesses in them.
@@Galiant2010
Actually, they were looking for a specific organ that gave the Formec Queens there telepathic powers. They were looking for a Human Queen, not realizing that by their standards ALL humans were Queens. After figuring out what the Formecs were doing, human scientists figured out Philotic science, and created the Ansible mentioned in the movie (an artificial version of the organ the Formecs had been looking for). A device that allowed real time communication regardless of the distance. It was how Ender was able to instantaneously command his fleet while being light years away.
12:58 - The game was neuro-linked to his brain, he could do whatever he wanted to.
now we got the first neuro-linked chip... a bit scary to think about but at the same time will be hella cool in the future
If its normal why would the trainers freak out? He said it himself the aliens were talking to him through the game, I always figured had more control because of the aliens altering the game.
The original book has such a special place in my heart. I do love the movie for what it is, but I just have such a vivid memory of sitting in biology class at 13 during free period, getting to the plot twist and having to close the book and rest my head in my arms for a couple minutes. It’s brutal, it’s psychologically tormenting, it’s heartbreaking. And in the book, Ender was recruited when he was 6, and the plot twist happened when he was only 11. He was a tiny, but brilliant, child.
One of my favorite things about the book is how they recognize how aware and smart children can be, and takes them very seriously, but also shows just how absolutely screwed up what the adults are doing to them is.
In the book series, Ender never returned to earth after, and he was right-initially, he was lauded as a hero, but ultimately he became a loathed figure in Earth’s history.
Also, one thing that the movie didn’t have the runtime to touch on at all, but in the original book, there’s an entire subplot about how Peter and Valentine (his siblings) become anonymous political essayists and end up being so influential that their writings help stop a world war and Peter eventually becomes Hegemon of the Free World (with Valentine leaving Earth to travel with Ender). All of the Wiggin siblings are incredibly intelligent.
the first book i ever Cover to cover in one sitting. ill never forget it
Very excellent post here. Man, I might need to go back and read ALL of the books again. Bean is a badass.
I never read the novel. Thanks for the explanation. Poor Ender😢
Yes! Scott Card was talking about the "Nets" back in 1985, and people posting blogs and starting political movements. This was before the internet and internet forums.
This was originally a short story that was expanded into the book.
An aspect of the twist you guys might be overlooking is that the entirety of the simulation in the second half was Ender's campaign against the Formics.
That battle where Ender lost was a real battle where everyone died. Imagine if he realized it was real at that point. His empathy would've broken him and he never would've completed the campaign.
(Edit Note: After rereading some passages of the book, I'm realizing that *most* of the simulations were real. However a few of the initial ones were Mazer Rackham training Ender. There was a point where the transition was noted, but they thought it was just graduating from the sim to fighting against a group of adults. Little details like that really sold what was happening if you were observant enough to figure it out.)
"theyre drone carriers and fighters. All drone i promise"
To think about the fact that Bean figured it all out while they were "training", didn't spill the beans to the squad, and rejected Graff's proposal to take over if Ender gave up at some point... damn, that book was dark...
@@demyanrudenko which book do they reveal this?
@@TYANTOWERS Ender's Shadow, it's almost the same time period as Ender's Game, but from Bean's POV
@@demyanrudenko Thanks. I have only read Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead
The biggest problem with this movie (and honestly MOST book adaptations) is how much is lost in translation.
Ender's time at the battle school take place over multiple years with dozens of battles and more than one transfer/promotion. Many more of the kids have a lot more details in the book.
Also, what makes the 'reveal' more impactful in the book is that there is NO easy Faster Than Light travel. relativity means it takes a generation for ships to get there. The fact that they have instant communication is the real reveal that makes the possibility of a live battle possible.
In the book there was also a whole side plot with Ender's siblings. I understand why they removed it from the movie as it really doesn't make any sense until the later books.
Overall it's really the time compression that hurts it the most.
Yeah. He's like 6, IIRC, when he wins the fight at the school on Earth and gets set to the battle school. Bean is several years younger than him, from a different group of Launchies. And then he's a teenager when he does the "simulations".
100%. It makes sense that the movie would need to condense things down to the major plot events in the interest of runtime, but the events themselves aren't what makes the book compelling. Without knowing what's going on inside Ender's head and understanding the motivations for his actions the story loses all of its weight and it just becomes forgettable generic sci-fi action schlock.
@@None-lx8kj agreed. I forgot to mention that part in my original response. it's narated mostly from inside his head (with the occasional sibling and military perspectives)
Thank you for bringing that up.
The book is great. The sequel, Speaker for the Dead is also good. Both won Hugo's.There's also a parallel series called ender's shadow/the shadow saga that follows Bean.
And yeah, Independence Day is basically the First Formic War from Ender's
I didn't know that 😮 I'm a huge Sci-Fi fan, but I've never explored the Ender's saga
Speaker is awesome. One of my favs.
@@kittymandias how are you a scifi fan ans you dont know about Ender's game 😅
The first book is amazing the movie didnt do it justice but was stiil good. There is at least 10 books 😂 The second book ' "Speaker for the dead" is also very good even if its very different...
After that the general advice is to read the Bean saga, Ender's shadow and the 3 others. Other books are very uneven and mediocre at best. Some people definetly hate them
They are not your typical story. I feel like they are great as audiobooks. Mazer Rackums story is great too.
As I understand it its actually a 4 book series
Ender’s Game
Speaker for the Dead
Xenocide
Children of the Mind
And the Bean series is
Ender’s Shadow
Shadow of the Hegemony
Shadow Puppets
Shadow of the Giant
Everyone was shocked that this kid could hold a scene and be an equal to someone like Harrison Ford.
Asa Butterfield? You mean the guy who's first big role was the Boy in the Stripped Pajamas. I don't think anyone was surprised. He's a great actor, he's also British.
@@loganleroy8622 From saving the word unwittingly, to sexual education... was weird seeing him in that kind of show after a movie based on my favorite sci-fi book lol.
Yes! Oh I’m excited- this film is AMAZING. The book, obviously, was so much better (It came out in 1985 I believe).
*books
the entire series is awesome
I read most of the series over 10 years ago and i still get flashbacks and images of what my brain pictured the events in the books would look like while i was reading.
@@holyfire11 i had quite the emotional journey especially through Bean's series and the later Ender books. Top tier bookverse for me!
@@AleksandarIvanov69 hell yeah. i never ended up finishing the entire series myself, but i did get through the first four novels years ago (Ender's Game, Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide, and Children of the Mind) and i loved every bit of them.
Enders Game book was great but I think I enjoyed Enders Shadow more.
This book predicted just how much geopolitical power the Internet would eventually have (a plotline sadly left out of the movie).
A couple of things; They got Bonzo wrong in the movie. Period. Ender is actually always supposed to be the smallest, because he's younger than the other kids by several years, and at a disadvantage. Only Bean is actually smaller than Ender in the book. They got the point that Ender always wins *convincingly* right but he's also always at a disadvantage, like he will be with the Formix. That's why the Bonzo stuff doesn't "feel" right. They cast a freaking midget, he's tiny compared to Ender.
Another thing to answer your questions about the authors description of the future being from the 80s. It completely holds up. I actually just recently listened to the audio book. OSC doesn't really reach that much. Everything is very plausible even today.
There's a few things that were just too hard for them to convey in the movie. I noticed that is what was gettin you guys a little bit. There's one thing that I think they could've done that would have helped with that. The simple use of time skips. He's literally supposed to have been up there training for years. There's something...off about them rushing through everything in weeks. There are *several* battles in the battle room that they mashed together. You're losing the fatigue that Ender is supposed to be feeling by the end of this.
It's not bad at all, just hard to connect some of the dots made obvious in the book. It's the age old problem with adapting to a 2 hour movie. Like they also didn't explain clearly that the drone Formix are unthinking. Only the Queens do all the thinking, hence why destroying the queen ship the rest go "dead". When "attacking" earth they didn't think they were killing any sentient beings. Because that's not how *they* operate. It's only after the counter attack from earth that they realize what they did and it's why they never came back.
Although this movie isn't a bad adaptation of the book, there's a lot of nuance about Ender's character that is left out of the movie. However it's understandable, because most of the development in the books takes place as inner dialogue and thoughts so it's hard to adapt that to a movie.
There's also a whole side-plot involving Ender's siblings working together to peacefully take over Earth when the war is over to stabilize it so it doesn't fall into economic collapse.
A majority of Sci-Fi nerds believe that Independence Day is actually the First Formic War referred to in Ender's Game. Told from the American perspective; or possibly a pro-America historical rewrite created as Hegemon propaganda. Resurgence is the Second Formic War, and the conclusion of the trilogy is Ender's Game itself. The book, which was released in 1985 presented an amazing jump off point for ALL future films.
Our knowledge and understanding of the universe has made much of these "alien invasion" movies outmoded; specifically, the cliched motives of aliens invading because they covet our resources, be they water or whatever. We now know that it would be huge waste of the aliens' efforts, as all of these resources can be found in much greater quantities out there in space for the taking, and without the huge waste of their own resources to enter earth's gravity well and leave with pitiful amounts of loot.
@@noneofyourbeeswax01 Yeah. The only real reason aliens would invade like that is to harvest people as a resource. Whether for food or slave labor. One could argue about taking a planet that is suited to life, but at a certain point a spacefaring race is going to more easily be able to terraform rather than having to wipe out an entire species and tear down their existing infrastructure just to rebuild their own.
@@noneofyourbeeswax01 well to be fair those are the motives humans in-universe give them, the actual reasons are almost never given, except in enders game, they were just expanding their territory and earth was a habitable planet for the aliens.
ok i don't remember much but if i recall correctly:
in the book it wasn't just that ONE "simulation test". that last battle, they kept doing "simulations" again and again, every day, every week, for weeks, at first once a day, then twice, than like five times a day again and they became more and more intense with less and less time to prepare in between, like wake him up after two hours of sleep for a "simulation" and stuff.
That's because these weren't simulations. He was commending real battles with real soldiers. like, he didn't just win that ONE single real battle, there were like a dozens of them he thought was a game, and each battle they advanced more and more toward winning. Because they were at a real war. the bugs kept attacking them over and over. His team captains btw - knew everything. they knew they were commending real pilots - real people.
I could have missed this in the books; however I believe it was only Bean that knew it was real pilots. He figured it out as an aside of his questioning why they were using older model ships to train with and seeing some of the patterns of them using older and older ships as they went further along the campaign 'simulation'. It was a guess but the only guess that makes sense. One of my absolute favorite scenes in the books was missing from the movie because this part of the plotline was missing. Where Bean takes control of the entire army for just a moment while they are falling toward the planet, and says a quote from another book; "Oh my son Absalom. My son, my son Absalom. Would God I could die for thee, O Absalom, my son." Basically telling all of the pilots that he felt for their sacrifice and that they were not forgotton.
They left out an incredibly important detail: The Queen had no idea that Earth had intelligent life. They analyzed us and tried to communicate with us, but we couldn't "Think", which is how they communicate. When nobody responded, she sent her fleet to collect our water assuming we were nothing but mindless drones.
just so you know, Independence Day got inspiration from Enders's Game, not the other way around, since the books Ender’s Game (1985) - Speaker for the Dead (1986) - Xenocide (1991) came first.
The book is so great. One of my favorites since I was a kid
I doubt anybody will see this, but as someone who loved these books as a kid (especially the Ender's Shadow series) some notes of major changes to Bean's character include: (it's been a few years since i last read these books so some details may be muddied)
- He was a few years younger than Ender and joined the academy several years after ender did. He spent his toddler years on the streets.
- He's named Bean because he was a very small child, during his time at the academy he looked several years younger than he actually was.
- He's actually genetically modified to be super intelligent in exchange for weird growth. Basically, he grows at a stable rate --while most kids grow mostly during growth spurts, Bean never has any, he just grows a couple inches in height every year, and never stops. He dies in his early 20s because he's 8+ ft tall and his heart gives out.
- During his academy days, he was small enough to crawl around in the vents and spy on the generals.
- He figured about the simulation long before it was ever revealed.
Bean was the only kid who knew that Ender's strategy in the final battle would result in the deaths of hundreds of real human pilots. (There were never any drones; every ship was manned, and Bean had figured that out a while before, too.) As Ender's second-in-command, charged with taking over if Ender failed, Bean had a button at his station that would let him speak to all the pilots at once. (Everyone else, other than Ender, could only speak to their own squads.) When Ender gave the order for a suicidal run at the planet, Bean pushed the button to take over for just a moment, so he could let the pilots know that he knew of their sacrifice, grieved for its necessity, and honored them for doing it.
The thing is, Ender was the one with all the compassion, normally. Bean operated on cold, hard logic. But in that moment, he knew that Ender couldn't show any grief or honor for the pilots because he didn't know they existed. So Bean did it for him.
He was six years old at the time. Ender was ten.
Yes to all of this. I liked the book Ender's Shadow even better than Ender's Game. I like how they merged the Bean character into the movie.
Its like Dune - there's too much to put in one movie, so a lot gets left out. There's a whole secondary story back on Earth with his siblings, but there are a lot of little things that got left out that help to clarify what is happening to Ender and why he reacts the way he does. There is also a lot of time dilation, the initial training sequence has him go through several armies for months, maybe years before he gets his own. If they had been more certain of its reception, they would probably have done what they did with Dune and split it into two movies.
They fumbled the bag really hard with Bonso and Stillson (the school bully at the beginning). In the book, he intentionally beat them both really badly and killed them, but the adults hid the fact that they died from him.
They also left out that his sister and brother back home where basically starting their own political parties online.
@@EggBoi_8 yuuup and that his sister goes with him at the end. And he's not "wandering the stars" he gets put in charge of the first human colony on a phormic world
@@JadesterZ I don't think that's revealed until the sequel, right? It's been a bit since I read the books but I think Ender's Game does leave off with him heading off to space with only a vague plan.
@@yuukinoyuki9064 nope it's the last chapter of enders game. He actually finds the larval queen on Shakespeare colony. The events of Ender in Exile over write the rushed last chapter of enders game though. Gives it way more detail.
@@JadesterZ Ah, makes sense.
Ender's Game is part of a book series. I wish they could have made a movie of the 2nd book -- Speaker for the Dead --where Ender is an adult still seeking a home for the hive queen.
Read the book as teenager... left a big impression being at Ender's age and being confronted with these essential questions of warfare.
That weapon is the very thing Oppenheimer feared, a continuous chain reaction engulfing the world.
“Atmospheric Ignition”
Yup. Most that have watched this do not realise the M.D Device is a superpowerful nuclear weapon cannon.
If Tsar Bomba didn't do it, a 50 megaton blast, we don't have any device on the planet now that might. Realistically, both USA and Russia seem to have 1.2 megaton weapons at their largest. Although unknown, no other nuclear power seems to have anything larger than 100 kilotons. The hydrogen in our atmosphere is not isolated in a vacuum like that in outer space and cannot ignite that way. Oppenheimer wasn't a genius like Einstein, Fermie, Bethe, Rabi or Teller; just the smart director of the project. Anyway, the M.D. is clearly a plasma gun firing ionized atoms, nuclei and electrons to produce great energy. It has as much in common with a nuclear bomb as a musket does with a tank cannon. You can, and don't do this as you'll probably hurt yourself and start a fire, produce a tiny, brief amount of plasma in a microwave oven.
Well in the books, the MD(Molecular Disruption) Device is far more terrible than any Nuclear weapon. It atomizes anything and everything the field comes in contact with essentially leaving a clump of ionized dirt, and the more matter it comes in contact with, the more it spreads. In the movie, they just destroyed the surface of the Formic homeworld, but in the book the entire planet was atomized.
@@Gankhisprawn Yep. Exactly.
Oh good, neither of Mason Quin's arms have seen this movie
Noticed that myself 😂😂
what are you referring to?
@@Sandstroem1981 they accidentaly put 4 arrows in the beginning even though there are 3 of them 0:45
@@alinaa3573 thanks
I freakin' love this movie. I'm still pissed that this didn't turn into a bigger franchise.
Audible put out a dramatized version of the book with music, sound effects and a full cast. It is fantastic.
I didn’t know this existed, as someone who loves the books I need this.
Oh man so like an old timey radio play? I need to check that out!
I have the books on Audible. I didn't know that they also did an audio play. It's included in my subscription. Thanks!
Thank you, I’ll have to check that out, I haven’t read the books in over 20 years, but loved them!! 💖
This movie deserves a long-awaited sequel
The changes from the book at the end kinda killed any potential for a Speaker for the Dead movie unfortunately. They could theoretically do the Shadow Saga following Bean and Petra but it would need to be recast or better yet, animated.
after this shitty movie, i prefer a reboot series of 10 episodes to adapt properly the book, and then the rest of the franchise
@@albertofrankdiaz6664What happens after Ender leaves to find a new planet for the alien queen?
Your reaction to the “graduation” was exactly my response to that section of the book. I almost threw it across the room. So I’d say they nailed that part of the translation from book to movie.
Enders Legacy in the Books is also really tragic. iirc Ender leaks what he did to the Formics and he goes down in History as the most Evil Genociding Human ever
I feel like he intentionally recast himself as the villain.
I read the book and was amazed on the side plots with the siblings and the drama on Earth. In the 80s this book incorporated the concept of online forums, social media and their roles in political and cultural influences. The book has space travel a fraction of the speed of light causing time dilation. Enders siblings grow into adults and follows what’s happening on Earth while he remains the same age when arriving at the Formic outpost. I read this on a Kindle in the late 2000s and had no idea I was reaching the end of the book when the twist happened and absolutely floored me LOL.
ender’s game is PHENOMENAL! i literally had to drop everything when i saw the notif. absolutely recommend the book(s)!!
in the Book, it spends most of it at the battle school. also the game that Ender plays is not monitored by other humans. it was just a simple video game but the Queen basicly hacked Enders tablet game version to try to communicate with Ender.
Did she try to communicate with anyone else or just with Ender?
This adaptation from the book is like what the Harry Potter movies to it's books, I enjoyed this a lot. This reaction made it really more enjoyable to watch, you guys did a great job and also reminds me of how you guys play Detroit Become Humans, the decisions you've made from the fame from your first playthrough.
in the book after the battle was won, earth governments went back to fighting with each other and wanted Ender to lead in war against the other nations. He said no, his brother the psycho was put in charge and they wnted ender to be under his control as a figurehead to inspire. He refused and then found the last queen and egg. I have to hear the audio book again.
The Giver is another from this era that is really good with a great cast
The movie is what made me want to read the book, since it was a lot of fun for young me. I read it too many years ago so I don't remember it that well but the overall feeling that it was so much more intricate, epic and thought-provoking than the movie remains, definitely a book that left my younger self thinking "man that's both messed up and mindblowing on so many levels". Now I'm getting the itch to read the book again.
I watched this movie basically by accident and it was phenomenal! I immediately recommended it to family and friends and they were super surprised as well. It didn't get the necessary advertising in my country sadly. So glad I get to enjoy it one more time with u guys!
Speaker for the Dead came out in '86 and I found it in our HS library in '89 but never saw Ender's Game.
Blew my mind but I didn't really grasp it all back then (duh, high schooler).
Years later, this movie made me read the series. WOW!
Hard to believe this was written back then, but Cold War fiction was some of the best.
One of my fave books growing up. So inspiring, the idea of genius being pushed to its maximum limit without ever losing the humanity inside oneself
When this movie came out I was a big Asa Butterfield fan and was so happy he was casted as I had read the book series 🙌.
After the movie I was a big Aramis Knight fan, so I REALLY REALLY hope you guys check out “Into The Badlands” if you haven’t watched it already! Amazing show I think you all would really enjoy
I’m so excited first reaction channel I’ve seen pick up this gem
A true blind watch on a fantastic movie
The phrase "The gate is down" has saved me in numerous times zero-G space games like Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous.
I loved the Ender’s Game book but even more so, Ender’s Shadow was my favorite!
I’ve been waiting for a reaction to drop for this for years, can’t find it anywhere on UA-cam, seriously underrated
Oh my goodness I am so elated that you guys watched this movie. This particular movie is very unique and peeked my interest after which I read the book. Great reaction again, lots of love from India to you Oak, Answer & Quinn.
Omg the enders game books are really good its a bit convoluted and very dark but a really compelling read. And enders shadow which is from beans pov as well, so sad but really well written. In the book ender fighting those other kids, he didnt just ' defeat' them, he killed them. The instructors and adults didnt want him to know so they pretended they were fine and just ' sent home' or in the hospital. The main boy before he was recruited into the battle school, and his previous commander in the shower. There was alot left out of the movie but i understand why, most of the events are through enders personal pov and in his mind as he is intentionally kept relatively isolated from the other kids, plus the communication with the queen formic is something hes experiencing throughout with and without him realizing it. Also ender and the others are being kept in the dark on alot, ( except bean cause he figures it out on his own,) enders dynamic with his siblings is more fleshed out. Though i forget how much of this happens in the first book and how much happens throughout the entire series.
the book came out way before independence day, the movie took inspiration from the book
Omg... the "Caesar was assassinated by people he trusted" line never clicked before... He may not have died, but Ender was emotionally assassinated by the people he trusted.
The books explain more about how communication barriers caused the first war. The formics communicate telepathically and had no concept of verbal communication. When they met humans both sides tried to communicate their own way and got no response which led to assumptions and hostility on both sides. During the fire war neither species believed the other was able to communicate and the formics realized that humans were more intelligent than they first thought afterward and started trying to find a way to communicate while humans immediately started preparing for the second war in fear since the leaders knew how outmatched they were.
Such a great cast love this movie
Been looking forward to seeing you react to this one ... This is a definite favorite of mine, though I think that the old adage 'The book is better than the movie' applies to an extreme degree with this one.
The original Ender's Game book takes place over the course of several years (Ender is supposed to be 6 years old at the beginning of the story ... Asa Butterfield who portrayed him here was 16 years old at the time of filming - Orson Scott Card, the author of the book had some choice thoughts on the book to movie adaption requirements when it came to Ender's actors age) and due to Ender's training leading him to being isolated by his commanders to maintain control over his exposure to the truth allot of the story is conveyed through his own inner monologue which is just too difficult to put to film.
Because of this, they had to cut so much out of the movie ... The battle room features heavily in the book and is generally the main focus with many training battles being fought there ... Ender spends the majority of the story growing and excelling in several different armies through his tenure, being pushed both mentally and physically beyond the brink of sanity as he builds his reputation and legendary status amongst the battle schoolers all the while having his own internal battle.
Ender's Game is actually an adaption of 2 different books: The book of the same name and another book ('Ender's Shadow') that takes place at the same time only from another character's perspective who has their own very unique origin that is completely absent in this film ... This puts a whole new spin on the story you don't really get from the movie itself.
If you liked the film I would highly recommend reading or listening to both the audio books as they add allot of story that was sadly missing from the movie ... Beyond those two books, both characters also spawned their own series of books that are also worth a look.
This book is one of my favorites of all time I read it every year. Fans of it were waiting for years for the movie and they kept it pretty close so good. A second movie wasn't made but this is a series of books and each one is incredible.... Hey the books and enjoy the ride❤
The ending confrontation with the Stratagem brings to mind your reaction to Ender's comment, "I'm not so sure you [are on my side].", when conversing with the general.
Fun fact. The reason the visuals were so good was because the visual effects studio invested in the movie in exchange for a % of the box office earnings.
Ender’s Game was just a prologue to the actual trilogy
i love that you guys edited in the mind game.. thats's a very strong form of the story. the formics hacked his game inorder to communicate with him, all the simulations after he battle school were actual battles, so ships being destroyed were pilots actually dying.... like you said they had 28days thats why they couldn't wait. great movie even a better book!!! GREAT REACTION BADD MEDICINE!
YES!!! Thank you for reacting to this!! I love this movie so much!!
That plot twist is a major gut punch. I remember my jaw dropped and I cried. Ender is a very sympathetic protagonist. I really loved this film and I wish they made a sequel!
In the book, ender went through years of training and simulation but the movie makes it look like less than a yr. A lot was left out. I hope they make it into a TV show
The book and its series is top tier. It's on the military's recommended reading list. The movie is above average.
You guys gotta react to What Happened To Monday
I really liked the movie so I decided to give the book a try and absolutely LOVED it. I’ve read through the mainline series as well as the sister series, the Shadow Saga, a handful of times each. It’s a shame Orson Scott Card denied this movie a sequel.
This is an amazing Book series "Ender's Game" that has one of my favorite features of any series which is it has parallel series from other character's perspective. While not shown in the movie, Bean has a much bigger role in the story and even has his own book "Ender's Shadow" which tells the story from his perspective. A really amazing way to story tell!
Both are so amazing!
Also because they’re in space in the end of the book Ender goes with his sister to go charter a new colony but while he’s been gone time has been passing on earth differently if I’m not mistaken so she’s much older than him when they reunite
Saw the movie and then read the book.
Ender is 6 years old in the book (all his friends are 7 - so his also the youngest ever launchy) and the older cadets would be 15 ish, by the final battle Ender is 11, which would have been to macabre for the movies to portray, I think, which made the book that much more interesting.
*Spoiler maybe* All the (later) battles Ender fight are actually real in the same way as the final battle in the book.
Would also recommend the book, because it is actually more mind blowing then the movie when comparing the perspectives from the grownups, Peter and Valentine storyline (which was another perspective on genius kids being left/manipulated because they weren't good enough) and Enders actions.
Also the concept of "Thirds" were left out. Each adult was allowed one child as a replacement. Thus he has two older siblings. A third was frowned upon but was authorized by the government in his case to try for a balance between the other two. They rolled the dice and got Ender.
Also keep in mind that every one of those fleets doubled as a colony fleet. So when he sacrificed them he sacrificed entire families.
This movie didn’t do great in the box office which always surprised me but Everyone who has EVER read the books loved it and gives it a 10/10. Definitely one of my top 10 book to movie adaptations.
I read the book and everyone that I know that has read the book thinks the movie sucked lol
@@crazyape515 The movie cuts a lot out. But for a story that follows a kid over the course of like a decade, this movie does just about as good as anyone should rightfully hope for with an adaptation.
@@Galiant2010 disagree
@@crazyape515 It's my favorite book, and I love this movie. I think expecting anything more is setting yourself up for disappointment.
I first came across this book at a yard sale about 20 years ago, picked it up for 25 cents and it turned out to be in my top three books I've read.
"I'm surprised that was an option in the game." Gentlemen, say hello to Jane. ♥️
Book readers know.
I’ve never watched this movie or read the book, but I’m always up for a good time with the BaddMedicine crew!
I grew up with the book, so I knew The Big Twist before it happened. When I first saw this movie I was just mostly just really vibing with the totalitarian future aesthetics and great kid acting from the young cast, and I like it as a very solid adaptation of a scifi classic. I will say it's loads of "fun" to watch this movie with people who don't know what's coming...
Never seen or heard of this film, but it was an unexpected gem, interesting story & concept, the "you cheated, that's why you look like a plumber" line gave me a good laugh 😆 & noticed your wrestling reference there at 16:20 hehe 😁 enjoyed your reactions & reviews of this, great content as always! 😊
You should read the book series then. The movie is "flattened out" in comparisson. The book series extends way after the final battle too.
Bean marries Petra for example 😉
I suggest you read the book. There are details left out or changed. The movie is rushed compared to the book and delves deeper into Ender learning of the deceptions around the truth.
The movie is TRASH compared to the book. Please if you liked the movie, READ the book, or read all of them, but please read Enders game. My dad watched the movie after he read the books, and he hates the movie. Which is one of the reasons I never watched it. I LOVE the books.
They really should have broken the book into two movies. One for Battle School, one for Command School. This would have let the movie breathe.
The main problem of the movie isn’t the child acting, it’s them rushing through it and left out key details others have already pointed out.
One of my absolute favorite books.
Read the book in 1986. Huge fan of all the subsequent books in the Ender universe since. Glad they made a movie. Did a decent job though about 40% of the book was left out. Mainly Peter & Val's relationships with Ender. They are crucial to understanding Ender. His relationships with his commanders were skimmed by necessity. The relentless stress Ender was under didn't come across that well in the movie. None of these are complaints. Movie adaptations are what they are. One criticism is that Ender was 6 year old at the beginning of the novel & the actor was 16. In the book Ender was only 11 year old when he became the Xenocide. Maybe it was a deliberate choice in the adaptation but Card's original intention was to explore the ruthlessness of young children who hadn't acquired a sense of morality.
Wish I could emphasize this
I love this movie! Please look up the actor who played Ender. He has done other movies.
Thank you guys for reacting to one of my fav movies growing up. Greetings from Croatia!
This came out when I was in high school and I loved it!! lol glad yall reacted to it. Thee ole badd medicine reaction.
I love the score by steve jablonsky he is one of the best composer! Its a good movie but the twist is one of the best!
Yes!! Love that you're doing this film.. clicked immediately 🎉
I loved this movie growing up and loved the book even more! The book really goes more into detail with the way he thinks and why he does what he does but it’s such a well thought out story.
I had a manager in IT that recommended the book Enders Game because she felt it was a great commentary on not just teamwork but finding and playing to each others strengths. I read more in the series which I believe the next book was "Speaker for the Dead" which played on Ben Kingsleys explanation of the tattoo to remember his father by. So having read the book first, I was extremely amazed and proud of the work they did keeping the movie in line with the book. As for the rope, in the book he was told he could use anything within the station as part of their military strategies and had used it in practice to get a sweeping view of the battle room, is why that was shown in the movie true to form of the book. What they didnt include was the brother and sister having political/military debates on the use of force and much more that was sooo well written. Highly recommend the series to anyone who enjoyed the movie and likes sci-fi books.
There were a couple of the details of the book I think were important. One was that the Formic actually invaded twice before we attacked, so in once sense humanity was even more justified in their fear to strike back.
The other detail that was really important to the tragedy of this situation and misunderstanding is that the Formics did not think for themselves unless they were queens. Killing a non-queen drone wasn't a big deal to them, since they were considered a "body part" of the queen herself, and it was only after their second invasion that they realized every human was like a queen and were horrified at what they had done. A powerful quote I remember was: "They[the humans] did not forgive us, she thought. We will surely die."
I remember reading the original short story back in 1977 and being stunned at the ending twist. It was nice to read the expanded novel and its sequels.
The scene in Game of Thrones where Tyrion is talking to Jaimie about their mentally disabled cousin Orson who spent all day crushing beetles for no reason was an insult directed at the author of Ender's Game who was critical of the show.
I remember loving this book when I was younger and and the rest after.
The Novel and its sequels and spin-offs are INCREDIBLE. One of the things I like best about the movie is how ASA Butterfield was able to go Toe to Toe with Harrison Ford in quite a few scenes.
Let's go! Enjoyed the movie looking forward to y'all reaction 🔥
I am writing this before watching your reaction but I just want to say if you get the chance read the book. Ender’s Game is one of my all time favorites and the movie does a decent job with the surface level plotline, but it’s so much more intricate than you get to see here. Ender is six when he goes to battle school instead of twelve, his brother has threatened and tried to murder him because he’s a psychopath, and getting to learn more about Ender’s mind works is so important. Also there’s another plot going on at the same time with his siblings infiltrating the politics of their world that has a direct effect on the battle school training and the decision to make Ender a real commander (even though he doesn’t know it). But it is truly an amazing and so well thought out book and shows how deeply being groomed for war affects him, because in the end he never wanted hurt anybody or have unnecessary losses. And then comes with the realization that all the times he was “losing” in the sim he was actually losing real lives, and his decision to sacrifice everyone was him breaking the rules because he wanted to be free from battle school even though it had a ton of casualties he tried to avoid, then learning it was real and how young he was. By the end of the book he is older I think closer to twelve then but he starts at 6 years old, also considering the fact his family shouldn’t have been allowed to have a third kid in the first place, adding to him feeling like an outcast and different. Long story short it’s such a good book, I love your reactions and if you get a chance to read it, do it! (Also Ender’s shadow if you have time)
i thought this was Bender's Game from Futurama and RAN here... 🤣
As someone that attended a military academy, the book and the movie (to some extent) really reminded me of what it's like to go to a military boarding school.
grew up watching it and love it and kinda wish we got more
You guys are the BEST ! That was an awesome react.
This was Hailee’s first big film role, 2 years before she joined the Pitch Perfect crew.
Edit: I completely forgot about her amazing performance in True Grit. This was her 2nd major role, my bad.
True Grit was her first 3 years prior to this.
She starred in True Grit with Jeff Bridges 3 years before Ender’s Game.
@@solidshepard7812wow- I completely forgot about that film. I was raised watching old movies, so I never saw the 2010 version. I know she did amazing in the role. The film is literally the same word for word as the old version.
@@bengilbert7655 I completely forgot about that film. I was raised watching old movies, so I never saw the 2010 version. I know she did amazing in the role. The film is literally the same word for word as the old version.