I'm a retired paramedic. I've treated some nasty and fatal wounds from 22 LR. Shot placement is the key. I would be confident carrying a 22 LR for personal defense. Although, for home defense, there are few things that devastate the human body like a close range shotgun blast. Those are the calls I wish I could forget.
Found a brick of 525 for $50 at Dunham's yesterday. Put that shit on layaway along with a Savage 64 (the last one they had in stock). Could have bought it then but my ID was expired...
A man in Florida was shot in the lower leg with a .25 and died 3 days later. The bullet got into an Artery and traveled to his Heart, caused the blockage that killed him.. I got shot with a BB gun as a kid, wouldn't want to take even a CB cap from a .22.
It may be weak, but consider that in a lot of situations Having a Gun at all can scare most people. even if its a plinker. And in self-defense your probably going to be WEll inside the bullets effective range. A lot of Self-defence hinges less on active confrontation and more on the Mental resolve of the attacker
Truth, people can be snobs when it comes to a personal carry gun. Truth is, a 22LR is the only option for many people, think about your vulnerable elderly relative with arthritis. They are not going to be shooting a .357 magnum.
And remember guns are supposed to be comforting, not comfortable. But in this day and age with all the carry options. Pretty hard to want to chose a 22 over a 9mm .....the only caveat is if your an elderly person as said
@@compelledpluto well I have a beretta m9 22lr and they are VERY reliable, almost unbelievably so. But when I see vids of guys eating 12, 9mm bullets before they decide to stop and drop. Means I would only shoot at a man with a 22. If I had some distance 😆
In the mid 90's when I was a kid roaming the woods with my first winchester semi auto 22lr I would buy the Remington Brick pack of 550 rounds for $7 at walmart back when they had stocked shelves and cared about gun owners and hunters.
2021: The year where the mugger need to use knife to perform robbery because ammo are too expensive. Defender need to use katana defend themselves due to the same reason.
@bali song bla bla bla only rich people deserve to protect themselves. This is how people like you end up loathed and no amount of $50 heat seeking cartoon rounds will save you.
I have met this guy a couple of times at the NRA conventions. He is genuinely one of the nicest guys you will ever meet. I have the laminated playing card he shot and gave to my kids proudly displayed in my living room!
Anyone remember .22 Short “Rockets?” They were, as I recall, 28 grain plastic bullets. It was advertised as frangible and would break up upon impact. I loaded up my .22 rifle, aimed at a 2 x 4 25 yards away and launched several of the little plastic rockets. They were as loud as .22 Long Rifle and seemed quite fast. I walked down to the 2 x 4 and was stunned. All three had zipped right through the 2 x4s! Later I read that the muzzle velocity was approximately 1600 feet per second.
I'm one of those that fall into the arthritis category. Getting old sucks. My mind says I can hike that mountain trail easy. My body says "watchu talkin' 'bout, Willis?" I've been focusing more and more on my .22 pistols the past few years.
@Ben Anderson Thank you, Ben. My next purchase is going to be the LCP II for conceal carry. Glad to hear you like it. My Ruger SR22 is still my favorite, but I have a feeling the LCP II is going to change that.
I worked in a level 1 trauma center in Houston. Half of my patients getting shots by this caliber and it might not kill them but their injuries were significant.
I bet these would be pretty unimpressive out of a rifle compared to the real fast Aguilas, Stingers, etc. since they’re optimized for little short barrels and fire such light bullets. Those other rounds are designed for rifle barrels and use heavier bullets, that’s why Stingers and stuff are pretty terrible in pistols, they burn very little of their powder in that tiny barrel, but in a rifle they can burn it all. There wouldn’t (or at least shouldn’t) be nearly the long-barrel advantage to something specifically tailored to short barrels.
For most of my life, I'd always prefer the CCI Stingers - if available. Today, I have three .22 firearms: an S&W M&P 15-22, a Walther P22, and a Charter Arms Pathfinder Lite that I have had loaded up with Stingers - until I ran across these .22 Punch rounds. Just reviewing the ballistics, without actually shooting any, I went and bought five boxes. Having these reviews really helps with evaluating new gear . . . so, thanks for putting in the time and effort for everyone - we're all the wiser because of it.
I have a Walther PP in 22LR, It did not work at all with Punch. I was very surprised, so was the range guy. Ran CCI Tactical ( what I had with me) "all day". Beginning to frown at Federal rim fire amo, not much better than Remmington in my experience. Their center fire stuff works fine.
Thats something. I had problems with Stingers in my SR22. Yet, the PUNCH works slick as can be. So much so that I ordered up a bunch of PUNCH today.@@Mad1Mike
Have you tried the aguila super maximum? 30gr with MV of 1700fps. I also like the aguila interceptor 40gr at 1470fps. The cool thing about both of these rounds is that aguila offers it in a hollowpoint or flat nose!
I have a spinal cord injury, and I cannot point a heavy weapon without experiencing severe pain. The 22 is the only weapon that I've been able to extend in a firing position comfortably. And I am very accurate with it
Have you tried .32 S&W and also .32 H&R magnum, or .32acp? I am not knocking the .22LR and .22mag. I enjoy both rimfire cartridges. I am just curious if you have tried any .32s; especially, given that recoil for the .32 S&W is low, plus those firearms are not heavy. Granted my .32s knowledge is based upon reading online and also watching videos. As it is something I have become interested in since I to have spinal problems, and thinking a lighter firearm for edc would be nice; especially, one with more to it than .25 acp. (Not that I dislike my .25 acp)
Comfort and accuracy are king. I use Aguila Interceptor in one of my carries. I haven't done any ballistic tests but I don't need to. It screams and has been very reliable.
@@NCR_Ranger I like the weapon that I have. And the hell of a lot more accurate with my 22 and I am with a 9 mm or a 38. You shoot what you want and I will shoot what I want. And I would lay money on my shooting a lot better than you lol
Ever since the ammo shortage, I’ve been using my little .22 LCP as a carry gun in the summer. I already have federal punch ammo in it, so it’s nice to see that it is effective to the extent a .22lr can be effective.
That’s doesn’t even make sense, you can’t afford a magazines worth of ammo to carry around? Life is not a video game, you’re not just walking around shooting shit.
I did test shooting at a orange with different LR ammo from my 5,5" barrel pistol. Normal led bullets would go straight trough with little damage, but led hollow points would explode the orange and CCI stinger with copper jacket and a small hole in the tip did totally obliterate the orange so badly that I got wet at the 4 m / 4 yards shooting distance...
My philosophy with self defense carry is you have to be quick and accurate. And those two things come with practice and being comfortable with a gun. But another big difference is that someone with a .357 mag may only need one shot to down someone, but that's good because they probably only can get off one accurate shot. With a .22 you can get of a dozen shots in rapid succession and be on target. Plus they tend to be much smaller and easier conceal carry weapons compared to even compact 9s and 45s
My dad would go to Kmart and buy out all the Remington Thunderbolt bricks of 22. In the 80’s. Every weekend with the 10/22 and a pump Field master. Plinking. Those were the days.
@@rtz7420 So....take even more weight out of a puny 32 grain bullet. That’s really smart. You do know the stinger only reaches 1,600 feet per second only when it’s shot through a 16 inch rifle barrel...right? Your 1911 clone in .22LR is probably shooting only about 900-1000/second. Trust me, if Speer/CCI knew that an extra 1/8 inch cavity made any ballistic improvements, they would gladly like to sell you less lead from that bentz chambered 32 grain cartridge. Also, I won’t confuse you with the chambering misfitting people are doing everyday by shooting that long Stinger casing in a regular 22LR chamber. Those rounds are so inaccurate compared to standard velocity lead rounds.
@@captainjack8823 The problem with the stinger out of a little pistol is that it it’s moving too slow to properly expand. It’s like people who run .223 out of super short barrels. You are taking away the one thing that made it super effective. So you are probably better off finding a heavier flat point load that gives you the best real life velocity out of the pistol. Like an interceptor or viper. My problem with .22 is that rimfires simply can’t be trusted to go bang 100% of the time. Though they are quite reliable with new computerized production techniques.
Good video demonstration of the 22LR Federal Punch in ballistic gel and especially versus the CCI Stinger. A pistol beats NO pistol even if it's a 22LR. I would imagine 8 rounds of Federal Punch fired from a S&W 43C at 7 feet distance would effectively break contact with the aggressor.
I've been practicing my archery skills since the 'Rhona and the gun buying craze . Excuse me if I fletch an attacker with a 110 grain broadhead launched from my Bear Archery Grizzly recurve . Nobody will never hear the soft twang of the bowstring and the hiss of an arrow shaft as it strikes the target .
Just hit your kids instead, you get the same joy and it's free. Worst case, they take them away, boom....u just saved a bunch of money, your basically a financial advisor.
Thank you mr plinkster for informing me about these. Have run almost a brick of these through my ruger lcp2 22 with a galloway precision reliability kit installed. They go bang when they are supposed to every time thus far with no signs of changing. It is a beautiful thing to be able to plink in the back yard every evening with the same gun and rounds i carried all day. This promotes me to shoot every day just to expend the sweat covered rounds I’ve carried all day in my pocket. Love your channel. Anyone looking for these in the comments section, they can be had off federal’s website as of yesterday. There has only been a couple times i have looked there over the last year that they were out of stock, a week later they were back.
As of two years ago I started using Federal Punch and my tests in different materials showed good results ! I also carry the CCI Velocitor and have used it for a number of years , good quality .22 ammo !
Mine was more along the lines of.... Damn near everyone in America: "It would be great to be able to buy some 9mm". Federal Ammunition: "Check out this re-invented wheel! All factory staff, to the 22lr line!"
As if the real problem with ammo shortage isn't the millions of people buying like crazy (and especially the a**holes who buy up whole shelves just to resell it), lets totally blame the overworked and often abused manufacturers.
@@allmyhobbiesareexpensive2676 You are exactly right. Watch the flea markets and gun shows and you can find ammo. It's just gonna be 2 to 4 times the normal price. On ammoseek the cheapest 45acp was 79 cents a round for shit steel case ammo. Underwood ammo is $2.90 per round. Insanity! Some dealers and assholes online everywhere are causing this!
@Common Sense Realist Yeah, but WHAT GUN did you use send it? A 2" pocket pistol or an 18" rifle? This bullet has 74 ft. lbs of muzzle energy from an 18" barreled rifle. From a pocket pistol like the Ruger he's using, you'd have to hold the barrel next to the skull to make any kind of hole.
Great video...the gel block says it! Every prepper/survivalist should have .22 rifle and pistol. I love semiautos but the single shot bolt action rifle, and revolver are super dependable. My kids/grandkids all learned on remington model 512 single shot bolt action and began learning right off the one shot wisdom....no "spraying"rounds downrange wasting ammo. When we were kids hunting deer/elk/antelope we were handed 3 rounds, get it done or go home to lots of ribbing because you still had an unused tag!
My take on .22LR for self defense is that there is no other round you can shoot on target as fast as .22. Centerfire rounds, especially out of a pistol, take concentration and careful pacing, something that will be hard to do when your life is being threatened suddenly and at close range. IMO, light em up with .22 and that will get the job done. The first hit should throw them off enough to hurt their own ability to shoot, then you finish them off with the rest of the 9 or so rounds in the mag. Much better than missing once or twice with a larger caliber and then it's too late.
I think that the deciding factor was the larger barrel. With ammunition as small as the .22, there's not much room for different types of bullets. What you want from the manufacturer is consistency and reliability.
I recently bought this .22 LR Punch (directly from Federal) for self-defense use in my Ruger LCP-2; however, it had problems cycling the ammunition. (My LCP-2 has flawlessly cycled CCI, CCI Blazer, Winchester, Remington, and even Herter's, but it will not cycle the Federal Punch.) I then tried the Punch ammo in my Ruger Mark IV and it also had the same cycling problems, so I know that the fault does not rest with the guns. Looks like I will stick with CCI Mini-Mags for self-defense.
The Ruger LCP-2 is exactly what I was thinking of using this with. Perhaps I'll go with the CCI Stinger 32 grain or just stick with the CCI Mini-Mags 40 grain.
Great video. .22lr self defense looks to be ideal for my wife. She has always loved her S&W. Easy reload, high capacity magazine. Having multiple magazines is ideal for her home defense.
very cool, i own a LCP 2 22caliber pistol. i like Remington ammo, and Federal, i prefer Federal, but the Remington, no misfire, stovepipe, and because of you i also own the Tippmann micro elite pistol. i go to the range twice a month to practice. a 22 well placed shot is better than a 9mm out of trying to recover target 2nd shot i can place 3 rounds very quick. plus i have arthritic hands. being 66 years old. thank you for that video. will be ordering Federal Punch for sure!!
Just FYI people, I have read autopsy reports where the victim was shot 6 times with a 22. It was pretty crazy how the bullet traveled throughout the body. One round exited out the ear. Moral of the story don’t ever underestimate this round.
On the flip side I have met someone who was a soldier in the Balkans and he survived getting shot in the torso with more than a half dozen 5.45x39 rounds, so sometimes it's just the luck of the draw I guess. I agree with your final point though, 100%: never underestimate.
Ammoland has an article called Handgun caliber does not matter. The stats from every defensive use with a pistol was compiled. The .22lr has the best avg for shots to incapacitate at 1.38. The lowly .45 was over 2 shot avg.
I was literally typing I would love to see the Punch vs Stingers in Ballistics Gel. I think it would also be cool to see the Punch vs 380. The cavity created by the Punch out of the Beretta was impressive.
Late to the party but nice video. Been a .22 fan for a very long time. I know it's limitations but fact is, most people don't want to get shot with anything. 😉 As for this bullet vs Stingers, I've shot cast lead SWC in my .44 mag forever and they are devastating. Punch a clean hole and the hydrostatic shock turns things into mush. Not saying this .22 can do that but the bullet shape obviously makes a good wound channel. Rock on!
Tested a minimum 200 hundred rounds in EACH of Ruger LCP II 22LR, Keltec P17 (3 different P17's actually!), Ruger 10/22, Keltec CP-33. Worked flawless in all except for the quad-stack CP-33. I actually couldn't load the magazine properly since they kept going into rim lock. Under a magnifying lens you can see the rim of the 22LR Punch is circular, versus rounded corners like most else. This makes the Punch a no-go for CP-33. Not a big deal, just put the stingers back in. Not one misfire in 1000 rounds though. This is phenomenal reliability from any bullet, let alone a rimfire.
@@ForceMultiplier LOL thanks it's a great tip for 22 ammo but you missed the part about the shape of the primer rim is too rounded for the angle of the rounds in the cp33 mag. Even with properly seating every round, after 2 or 3 they just pop into rimlock when you insert another. Ruger's 10/22 mags are perfect since they curve and work with the punch great. Probably better to use stingers in a rifle since you get expansion with the additional velocity. Otherwise, the punch are perfect and I have had zero failures in any of the pistols I mentioned. The P17 or TX22 with the punch suppressed would be a great wet work or defense tool. Never thought I would say that about 22....
@@zendell37 Never tried anything else, better safe than sorry. It's grip is big enough to fit my hand and the .22 mag should be good for 'yotes at distance probably needed.
Great videos as always thank you. I'm a huge fan of 308, and surprisingly to some a 22 long rifle. I get laughed and criticized a LOT from the usual tacticool armchair professionals...but nobody's willing to get shot by one to prove my point. I enjoy your channel brother.
@@bigd7861 no one has ever taken up my offer to shoot their trash talking ass out at 200 yards with a 45acp either! 🤣🤣🤣 I wouldn't want to get hit with a 22lr at 300yds! 22lr goes clean through rock chucks at 200yds! I've gut punched a coyote at 301yds and killed it. No it didn't go through it. But it's been dead for eleven years now. 😂😂
In the past few months I've bought CCI Mini-mags at WM and Calbelas multiple times. I have also seen Velocitors and Maxi-Mags for sale and available on the CCI website.
I like CCI Stinger 32 grain HPs out of my 3" Bersa FS22... Great velocity, nickel case since 197x, 100% reliable, seeming enough penetration. Speeds I got over my Competition electronics chronograph: 1231 1244 1259 1257 AV 1247 SD 13 with lotso-fireballs.
OK. Congratulations to Federal for coming up with the Punch 22LR ammo. Now how about a 50 grain 22WMR (aka Magnum) Punch round? THAT'S what I'm talking about!
With regards to carrying a .22 pistol; An old friend who worked for a popular ammo manufacturer explained it well. Because the gunpowder comes in direct contact with the primer powder, it acts like sandpaper over time wearing away the primer powder while you are moving about (pocket carry). That doesn’t happen to center fire ammo because the primer powder is encapsulated in the primer.
For some reason this video cleared away a few cobwebs and reminded me that I had a box of Hornandy .22mag ftx that Id bought and put away in the winter of 2012(ish). Along with said 22magnum there was also a small variety of misc rounds including seven unopened 525 round boxes of Blazer 22. My heart almost stopped.
I always preferred the 40 gr round nose CCI for self defense.little ping pong balls they will do quite a bit of damage inside he chest cavity if need be. U don’t need expansion with such a little rd, penetration and bullet placement is the killer pill.but I will try some for the hell of it if I can find some one day. Great video Plinker as always.👍
This ammo is FINALLY available in Southern California! Just bought a bunch of sleeves down at LAX Ammo in Huntington Beach. Can't wait to get it down to the range and test accuracy and reliability.
I think they might be on to something with the flat nose bullet. IIRC, a wider-nosed bullet of the same caliber will deposit more energy, so it seems like this is acting as a great combination of maximum expansion and penetration out of a small gun. Definitely BOTH things that .22LR needs. This might be a winner. I suspect they're also using REALLY fast-burning powder in these loads?
Pretty cool to see rimfire finally getting more love from bullet designers after all these years. Over the decades whenever the conversation comes up about using a rimfire for self defense the way I always see it is that sure, a heavier caliber can hit harder and cause more damage. But as I see it, if a vital organ is hit with a bullet that causes damage then said organ has a difficult time working. It doesn't matter if the damage is a smaller wound cavity from a rimfire or a larger one from a heavier round. Either way, the organ is in danger of failing. Same for blood loss too. A hole in an artery is a hole. And while it's very possible to get very good at rapid mag dumps with a 9 or .45 it doesn't take as much muscle mass to pump out a bunch of rimfires so anyone can do it. And with very light recoil they can also stay on target far easier and print a better group. I'd always ask people if they'd like the idea of bird shot penetrating their heart or aorta......so if bird shot gives a person pause, then a little .22HP round....well, I rest my case :D
I'm glad to see manufacturers focusing on .22 as a defense round. This ammo with a Ruger MKIII and 10/22 would be a great combo. Or how about a GSG9/GSG16..?? But I'm sure a part of it is because of the demand for other ammo. The bottom line: a .22 is better than nothing.
@@terrybrown5402 lol wtf do democrats have to do with it? Who do you think is buying up all the ammo? Though tbf, lots of democrats armed up for the first time last summer so I guess some contributed to it. But isn't that a good thing to have more gun owners on both sides of the aisle? And there's zero chance of any real gun control passing right now. Even if something did, the supreme court is locked conservative for a long time to come so anything egregious would get struck down. So any panic buying right now is just as dumb as those morons buying carts full of toilet paper a year ago. Also, you shouldn't dehumanize your fellow Americans with terms like "demonrats". It's incredibly unpatriotic and really makes you seem brainwashed. United we stand, divided we fall.
Thanks for the video. Well done. When lining up your variable "ducks" in in an attempt at coming up with an acceptable self-defence platform it's always a good idea to remember that the last "duck" will always be luck. Carry whatever makes you feel good but carry something. I tap danced to all of this and finally settled on a Titan 25 cal semi-auto because its deadly accurate up to 30 feet (beyond that it isn't) and it fits in my front pocket comfortably without giving itself away. I also figured the odds of an encounter happening so I settled on surprise and ability to hit a close target. Beyond any of these variable scenarios if it's my time to go, it my time to go. If given a chance know for sure I will go down fighting. Lol
@Mr Cevant I watched a UA-cam video by Beyond Seclusion, the video was called 22lr for self defense?? Must watch! I was impressed to say the very least! He shot cow parts, ribs, lung, hide, and denim, those segregated rounds are no joke
For some reason, there's a group of people around here that think a .22lr is unable to harm you. God only knows where they got that idea. I have easily shot deer with them, and lots of other game.
The CCI Velocitor has superior short-barrel performance in ballistic gelatin in the tests I've seen. It gets 16 inches of penetration with little or no expansion, and also performs well out of rifle barrels, with about 10-12 inches of penetration plus good expansion.
@@tacocin 22plinkster said shot out of a rifle this would go around 1650fps the cci copper on the box has 1850fps on it, he is also shooting hand guns also inaccurate. I would like to try the Federal punch but the only 22 ammo I can find here is cci copper 22 at Kents in Tremonton Utah at about 12 bucks a box.
22 LR - 40 Grain CPHP - CCI Velocitor gives 15.6 inches penetration from 4.4 inch revolver. 22 LR - 37 gr CPHP - Winchester Varmint HE gives 12.7" penetration from 1.9 inch revolver. ALL of them need more momentum for penetration.
I’d never put all my trust in a .22 but I’d like to load up a couple of BX 25 mags for my backpacker just as a supplement for when I wander off into the backcountry. Excellent video.
Keep up the good work. Love to see the proof in the pudding 🤣 for say. Excellent info on barrel length, penitration, ammo, and gel results to give people the open option whether to carry a 22lr or other choice.
I didn't expect much at the start but the ballistic gel sold me on this. It has a similar wound path I would expect to see in a 9mm. Shooting pencils. But that amount of expansion during its path is great. I'd like to see what a 22short and 22 mag round look like. The nickel coating is attractive to those who want a stash of good ammo for survival and bug out bags. I'd like to see results of weathering and torture test of this ammo in different environments. See if it will fire after submerged for so many hours or days and so on. Depending on price I may look into a small 22 for a ccw backup to go with my ccw full frame 1911 45 acp
Great comparison between Punch and Stanger ammo in a pocket pistol! I'm now carrying CCI Velositors for my EDC. I think many of us would love to see you compare these to Punch and Stangers with a gel test. It might once and for all prove which has better penetration for personal protection.
I like hearing better to have 3 hits than a miss from a larger caliber. My wife is a small framed person and a bit intimidated by larger caliber but loves shooting and controls her Walther p22 phenomenally
Since you made this video I have always thought it is a no brainer. However finding a good revolver with decent trigger or affordable reliable viable carry semi Auto was next to impossible here in Minnesota 2-3yrs ago. There are now low cost good quality advantages available to those of us who have learned Federal Punch in .22lr is no joke, actually far from it! Kel-Tek makes a now on sale $179 p17 that runs it flawlessly, very accurately with great features. It weighs next to nothing, prints about 1” wide, comes with good sights, tools for Supressor host capabilities & 3 sixteen round magazines. Sting-Gers or Stang-Gers(now $13 per 100 thankfully)run flawlessly too, 😉 Punch in .22Lr is THANKFULLY recently $8 per 50 now! I have run just over 3500 rounds of it now, not one failure & counting!!!!!!!!!!
CCi of any flavor is the only ammo that reliably and consistently shoots out of my 10/22... I have tried them all from other manufactures and I always go back to CCI for accuracy and reliability...
my daughter has a 10/22 anniversary model and it says the breech tolerance is too tight for the longer 'stinger' ammunition . bums me out because the stingers really impresses me in my old Marlin model 25. I agree that the CCI line is excellent. Federal used to make 'Spitfire' .22 hyper velocity ( packaged in a snuff can in the 1980s) they were fantastic as well (I used them for hunting squirrels). anyhow ,with the shortage of ammo my daughter has been shooting Agulia for her league shooting, has been really happy with the results (Eley primer) - give them a try.
If Federal is going to be brave enough to claim .22LR is suitable for self defense, I sure hope they use a 100% reliable priming compound. There are no alibi's when it comes to self defense.
There's probably some wording out there somewhere that they assume no responsibility for product reliability and make no guarantees. Liability insurance covers everything else.
People go on and on about how unreliable .22LR is, but the more data I see on it the more I see it as a non-issue with a modern gun with modern QUALITY ammo. Modern .22LR isn't your grandpa's crappy old .22, manufacturing and gunpowder has come a long way. Most people that seem to have problems are firing a worn out gun that has shot more in a weekend than a centerfire they own will shoot in its life and are buying the cheapest bulk ammo they can find that may not even be the right spec for the gun their shooting (semi-auto needs jacketed high velocity, not bare lead or low velocity/subsonic). I watched a 3 gun competition the other day where fancy schmancy centerfire race pistols were stove piping and having other issues, no gun is perfectly reliable and .22LR gets an unfair bad rap.
My first choice for a carry gun is a .22lr, and has been for many years. For reasons: 1. Much more practice. 22’s are fun to shoot with negligible recoil. 2. Ammo is cheap thus encouraging practice. 3. More likely to have shots on target. Again, because of practice and low recoil. 4. In a defensive situation, don’t want to be spraying the local neighborhood with heavy caliber ammo. Again, back to practice and shots on target. However, for home defense I use a .45 ACP 1911. If someone breaks into my home, I know he means to do me and my family harm and I don’t care if I hit the stove, as long as the perp gets a painful message. The intruder will definitely regret being hit by a .45 bullet. Good video.
Lots of people are of the belief .22lr is suitable for SD . Various handguns in .22lr are marketed for defensive use . Not saying in this post if they are sadly misguided , or they have a rational leg to stand on , but the demand is there .
This totally aligns with what a homicide detective told me years ago. Non-hollow point ammo for .22 when using for self defense. He said few survive hits with a solid point .22. He also said that he never saw anyone survive a solid point .22 fired from a rifle....all died.
I heard something similar from a trauma NP guy. He said most shot w/ .22 died. But that was 20+ years ago. Soft body armor is pretty common now on bad guys so if you are using .22 (or most other pistol calibers) you will need to shoot around it. I knew a kid in high school who shot a .22 (I don't know what type of gun) in his hotel room and the round went through the wall and killed a guy in the next room. That was some bad luck all around. .22 is no joke. Shot placement is *everything* if you want sudden stops.
Is a 5 inch .22lr more " impressive " than a 2 inch .22lr ? Absolutely and catagorically , with any and all types of ammo ! Does this penetrate deeper than conventional 40 gr Round Nose such as Mini Mag from comparable bbl lengths ? Good Question , I'd like to know .
Is this ammo " Impressive " in the absolute sense , or compared to any " defensive caliber other than .25 acp " ? At the risk of flaming by the .22lr fanboys for pointing out the reality , not really , nor is any .22lr from a handgun .
Watching these videos reminds me of "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous": "I'm Robin Leach and I'm going to show you things you don't have, will never have and can't afford anyway."
Yep, picked up a .22 for trapping. Can't find ammo anywhere in town, or the next town in pick a direction. So to the internets I went and found this ammo. Baught a few boxes and a box of shot shells for fun (Saw your carpenter bees). Then off to the youtubes to research what I just spent my money on. I found this vid. I'm happy. Thanks for sharing.
Very interesting for sure. I’m 56, have hunted and shot for over forty years. In my day, the Stingers were the bomb. Thank you for your dedication. I’m from Canada, so may never see that great ammunition.
I'm a retired paramedic. I've treated some nasty and fatal wounds from 22 LR. Shot placement is the key. I would be confident carrying a 22 LR for personal defense. Although, for home defense, there are few things that devastate the human body like a close range shotgun blast. Those are the calls I wish I could forget.
I would not want to ever get shot with 12 gauge 00 buckshot or slug.
@@thomaspalmer7900 Or 4 buck or Turkey loads at home defense ranges they are just as devastating.
Thanks for being a first responder.
@@BB-1990 That is what I use in my shotgun for the house is 4 Buck
@@thomaspalmer7900 The whole concept of "voluntary incapacitation" is based on a sane person's desire to not be shot with anything at all.
Someone needs to send a couple boxes to Paul Harrell ... would love to see how these do in the meat target.
With the patented fleece bullet stop?
@@misst9 the NEW and patented !
@@misst9 With the New and Improved, patented fleece bullet stop.
Checkout Garandthumb’s .22LR headshots video
@@alexjoseph8363 The exact same thing he would say when impersonating comments, well done good sir!
Do you remember when you could afford 22 ammo? Pepperidge farm remembers
Hahaha I laughed way too hard at this 🤣😂😆
I'm sitting on 2700+ rounds of .22 LR I bought way before prices jumped. I think most of it was .03-.05 cents a round.
@@brettstrauss8562 PLR 22, AR platform 100 rd drum
I miss those days. Can't find CCI ANYWHERE!
Found a brick of 525 for $50 at Dunham's yesterday. Put that shit on layaway along with a Savage 64 (the last one they had in stock). Could have bought it then but my ID was expired...
I hate that "if you shoot them with a 22 you will just piss them off"...
Yep..they will be the maddest man in the cemetery...
Its all about bullet placement
A man in Florida was shot in the lower leg with a .25 and died 3 days later. The bullet got into an Artery and traveled to his Heart, caused the blockage that killed him.. I got shot with a BB gun as a kid, wouldn't want to take even a CB cap from a .22.
@@andy6043 So he got shot and didn't get medical treatment for it? BS
@@jh8338 it's been 25 years or so back, I think it was a drug deal situation, maybe he had warrants. Not BS, it was in the local news.
yup that is why more people have died from being shot with a .22 then any other caliber.
Im so stoked to check this out in a few years when it becomes available to regular people
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🤣🤣🤣
do it yourself.
I ordered the day this video came out. Got shipped email notification this morning.
I don’t see the big deal. I have some .22 that is pushing the same exact bullet design even faster than this stuff. Way cheaper too.
I’ve always been a firm believer that any caliber of firearm is better than no firearm for self defense! Keep on plinking!!
Shot placement rule the day everyday
It may be weak, but consider that in a lot of situations Having a Gun at all can scare most people. even if its a plinker.
And in self-defense your probably going to be WEll inside the bullets effective range.
A lot of Self-defence hinges less on active confrontation and more on the Mental resolve of the attacker
22lr is better than my old hands and feet...lol
...unless, of course you live outside the US... say UK...where self defence is just not a topic.
A good firearm is one you can put rounds on target with.
The best firearm is the one you have when you need it.
The best carry gun is one you'll actually carry! If that means it's a .22lr, then go for it. A 22 on the hip is better than a .45 in the safe.
Truth, people can be snobs when it comes to a personal carry gun. Truth is, a 22LR is the only option for many people, think about your vulnerable elderly relative with arthritis. They are not going to be shooting a .357 magnum.
True , any gun is better then a stick..
but don't count on it to drop anything in 1 shot or 5..........unless you do eyeball shots 😆
And remember guns are supposed to be comforting, not comfortable.
But in this day and age with all the carry options. Pretty hard to want to chose a 22 over a 9mm .....the only caveat is if your an elderly person as said
@@prone_wolf8871 id probably pick a 25 or 32 acp in that case for my rim fire doesn’t have enough reliability compared to center fire
@@compelledpluto well I have a beretta m9 22lr and they are VERY reliable, almost unbelievably so.
But when I see vids of guys eating 12, 9mm bullets before they decide to stop and drop.
Means I would only shoot at a man with a 22. If I had some distance 😆
In the mid 90's when I was a kid roaming the woods with my first winchester semi auto 22lr I would buy the Remington Brick pack of 550 rounds for $7 at walmart back when they had stocked shelves and cared about gun owners and hunters.
$9.96 in California 1993.
$1.06 for 50
🧱Mart
2021: The year where handing over your wallet to a mugger is cheaper than shooting them
2021: The year where the mugger need to use knife to perform robbery because ammo are too expensive. Defender need to use katana defend themselves due to the same reason.
😂Ain't it the damn truth
2021- the year the word mugger became "enterprising person of need."
@bali song bla bla bla only rich people deserve to protect themselves. This is how people like you end up loathed and no amount of $50 heat seeking cartoon rounds will save you.
@bali song I think you missed the tone of the thread. They're JOKING around.
Nowadays I just watch videos to keep up on all of the cool shit I will NEVER find in real life
Saying what all of us are thinking... 🤣
You can do it.
Can you say "binary trigger"?
Finally! Some new ammunition to be Out-of-Stock!
Never underestimate a well-placed shot of any caliber!!💥💥💥💯
That’s what she said.
KaPow!!
I have met this guy a couple of times at the NRA conventions. He is genuinely one of the nicest guys you will ever meet. I have the laminated playing card he shot and gave to my kids proudly displayed in my living room!
Pretty cool story. I snagged a case of the "stangers" before they disappeared. Display purposes only........ for now
You would be to if you had 100s of awesome guns with unlimited ammo
@@michaelatkin9649 HAHAHAHA!! Good point!
@@shtfvan8084 Awesome, I would love to have some :-)
@@michaelatkin9649 And your own cool shooting range!
Anyone remember .22 Short “Rockets?” They were, as I recall, 28 grain plastic bullets. It was advertised as frangible and would break up upon impact. I loaded up my .22 rifle, aimed at a 2 x 4 25 yards away and launched several of the little plastic rockets. They were as loud as .22 Long Rifle and seemed quite fast. I walked down to the 2 x 4 and was stunned. All three had zipped right through the 2 x4s! Later I read that the muzzle velocity was approximately 1600 feet per second.
Plinkster: “you can get this ammo on Federal’s website.”
Federal’s website: “naw dog. Currently unavailable.”
Federal has their propaganda people working hard in this thread selling that shit lie too!
They did a big ammo drop the day before this video went up. I'm sure more will pop up but just like everything else itll be gone within minutes.
I ordered 5 boxes. More showed available, but let folks have a chance.
@@chrisfloyd8512 And their competitors have their propaganda people putting it down. How much did they pay you by the way?
Yeah, plinky, in 5 or 9 years, I’m sure it’ll be fun to try out. smh
I'm one of those that fall into the arthritis category. Getting old sucks. My mind says I can hike that mountain trail easy. My body says "watchu talkin' 'bout, Willis?" I've been focusing more and more on my .22 pistols the past few years.
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Shot placement will always count more then round size.
I was in the 2nd Inf. Div. too. 68-69 :)
@Ben Anderson Thank you, Ben. My next purchase is going to be the LCP II for conceal carry. Glad to hear you like it. My Ruger SR22 is still my favorite, but I have a feeling the LCP II is going to change that.
@@robertlipsey6056 Thank you for your service, brother. I was with the 2nd ID from 88-89 (Camp Casey).
I worked in a level 1 trauma center in Houston. Half of my patients getting shots by this caliber and it might not kill them but their injuries were significant.
Strait-up lethal 👍 I've always said to never underestimate a "little"
.22. I love it
A lot of pellet rifles are straight up lethal.
@@hansgruber9685 some can take big game.
@@hansgruber9685 a lot of any round is lethal in the body
@@craigsbuyer2270 Not if it can’t penetrate vital areas. Which includes many air rifles as well as some conventional firearms.
Straight
I'd like to see a comparison between these and the other heavy hitters from CCI and Aguila out of a compact rifle.
I agree
He did against the stinger
@@Oldlady74 I was thinking more along the lines of the velocitor and interceptor
Speer Gold Dot, Personal Protection, Short Barrel, .22lr.
I bet these would be pretty unimpressive out of a rifle compared to the real fast Aguilas, Stingers, etc. since they’re optimized for little short barrels and fire such light bullets. Those other rounds are designed for rifle barrels and use heavier bullets, that’s why Stingers and stuff are pretty terrible in pistols, they burn very little of their powder in that tiny barrel, but in a rifle they can burn it all. There wouldn’t (or at least shouldn’t) be nearly the long-barrel advantage to something specifically tailored to short barrels.
For most of my life, I'd always prefer the CCI Stingers - if available. Today, I have three .22 firearms: an S&W M&P 15-22, a Walther P22, and a Charter Arms Pathfinder Lite that I have had loaded up with Stingers - until I ran across these .22 Punch rounds. Just reviewing the ballistics, without actually shooting any, I went and bought five boxes. Having these reviews really helps with evaluating new gear . . . so, thanks for putting in the time and effort for everyone - we're all the wiser because of it.
I have a Walther PP in 22LR, It did not work at all with Punch. I was very surprised, so was the range guy. Ran CCI Tactical ( what I had with me) "all day". Beginning to frown at Federal rim fire amo, not much better than Remmington in my experience. Their center fire stuff works fine.
Thats something. I had problems with Stingers in my SR22. Yet, the PUNCH works slick as can be. So much so that I ordered up a bunch of PUNCH today.@@Mad1Mike
Have you tried the aguila super maximum? 30gr with MV of 1700fps. I also like the aguila interceptor 40gr at 1470fps. The cool thing about both of these rounds is that aguila offers it in a hollowpoint or flat nose!
I have a spinal cord injury, and I cannot point a heavy weapon without experiencing severe pain. The 22 is the only weapon that I've been able to extend in a firing position comfortably. And I am very accurate with it
Have you tried .32 S&W and also .32 H&R magnum, or .32acp? I am not knocking the .22LR and .22mag. I enjoy both rimfire cartridges. I am just curious if you have tried any .32s; especially, given that recoil for the .32 S&W is low, plus those firearms are not heavy. Granted my .32s knowledge is based upon reading online and also watching videos. As it is something I have become interested in since I to have spinal problems, and thinking a lighter firearm for edc would be nice; especially, one with more to it than .25 acp. (Not that I dislike my .25 acp)
Comfort and accuracy are king.
I use Aguila Interceptor in one of my carries. I haven't done any ballistic tests but I don't need to. It screams and has been very reliable.
Ohhh you are full of it. There are 380 and 9mm guns that weigh less then 22 pistols.
@@NCR_Ranger I like the weapon that I have. And the hell of a lot more accurate with my 22 and I am with a 9 mm or a 38. You shoot what you want and I will shoot what I want. And I would lay money on my shooting a lot better than you lol
That STANGER comparison is EXACTLY what I was asking
Ever since the ammo shortage, I’ve been using my little .22 LCP as a carry gun in the summer. I already have federal punch ammo in it, so it’s nice to see that it is effective to the extent a .22lr can be effective.
I carry it as a backup people need to stick there 380 9 40 up there ass and leave us alone
He did a review 3 months after this video
That’s doesn’t even make sense, you can’t afford a magazines worth of ammo to carry around? Life is not a video game, you’re not just walking around shooting shit.
@@tokahontas9990 your comment made my day
How is your lcp using federal punch, every other channel says it doesn’t function right
I did test shooting at a orange with different LR ammo from my 5,5" barrel pistol. Normal led bullets would go straight trough with little damage, but led hollow points would explode the orange and CCI stinger with copper jacket and a small hole in the tip did totally obliterate the orange so badly that I got wet at the 4 m / 4 yards shooting distance...
As the man said, “some people can not handle recoiled.” Something is better than nothing.
That's why i do like the 10\22 for Home defense
@@m2003h after watching Garand Thumbs video about .22lr and especially out of the 10/22 I was very surprised
I grew up on a farm we used to butcher our own meet 22LR will drop a 1500 lb cow a 500 lb pig it will have no problem dropping a human
As a better known gun guy says "It's better than a pointy stick"
Facts
My philosophy with self defense carry is you have to be quick and accurate. And those two things come with practice and being comfortable with a gun. But another big difference is that someone with a .357 mag may only need one shot to down someone, but that's good because they probably only can get off one accurate shot. With a .22 you can get of a dozen shots in rapid succession and be on target. Plus they tend to be much smaller and easier conceal carry weapons compared to even compact 9s and 45s
That's it! I can draw and dump 15+1 out of my lil p22 in a fist sized group in the blink of an eye lol
My dad would go to Kmart and buy out all the Remington Thunderbolt bricks of 22. In the 80’s. Every weekend with the 10/22 and a pump Field master. Plinking. Those were the days.
Underwood xtreme penetrator 22lr would be a sight to see!
22 mag for my N.A.A. Mini also!
Literal C4 propellant
That would be awesome! Groundhogs beware 😂
Any ammo would be a sight to see.
@@jcraigshelton amen 🙏
Would have been very interesting to see how the Stinger performed in the gelatin out of the Beretta pistol.
That is what I run in my 1911 22 The Hollows have been drilled out with 1/8bit to create a cavity point for self defense there wicked
@@rtz7420 So....take even more weight out of a puny 32 grain bullet. That’s really smart. You do know the stinger only reaches 1,600 feet per second only when it’s shot through a 16 inch rifle barrel...right? Your 1911 clone in .22LR is probably shooting only about 900-1000/second. Trust me, if Speer/CCI knew that an extra 1/8 inch cavity made any ballistic improvements, they would gladly like to sell you less lead from that bentz chambered 32 grain cartridge. Also, I won’t confuse you with the chambering misfitting people are doing everyday by shooting that long Stinger casing in a regular 22LR chamber. Those rounds are so inaccurate compared to standard velocity lead rounds.
CCI Stingers are highly and widely overated. That's all.
@@micah-hooka7275 Finally! Someone else is alive that doesn't deify CCI Stingers. And yes I've had misfires with them aka duds.
@@captainjack8823 The problem with the stinger out of a little pistol is that it it’s moving too slow to properly expand. It’s like people who run .223 out of super short barrels. You are taking away the one thing that made it super effective. So you are probably better off finding a heavier flat point load that gives you the best real life velocity out of the pistol. Like an interceptor or viper. My problem with .22 is that rimfires simply can’t be trusted to go bang 100% of the time. Though they are quite reliable with new computerized production techniques.
Good video demonstration of the 22LR Federal Punch in ballistic gel and especially versus the CCI Stinger. A pistol beats NO pistol even if it's a 22LR. I would imagine 8 rounds of Federal Punch fired from a S&W 43C at 7 feet distance would effectively break contact with the aggressor.
22 used to be the "cheap" way to train. Now we just have to go "pew pew pew" to train cheaply
I've had to resort to VR shooting.
I've been practicing my archery skills since the 'Rhona and the gun buying craze . Excuse me if I fletch an attacker with a 110 grain broadhead launched from my Bear Archery Grizzly recurve . Nobody will never hear the soft twang of the bowstring and the hiss of an arrow shaft as it strikes the target .
@@victorwaddell6530 hard to conceal..Wha Wha...cheers
Just hit your kids instead, you get the same joy and it's free. Worst case, they take them away, boom....u just saved a bunch of money, your basically a financial advisor.
Don't neglect your dry fire.
Thank you mr plinkster for informing me about these. Have run almost a brick of these through my ruger lcp2 22 with a galloway precision reliability kit installed. They go bang when they are supposed to every time thus far with no signs of changing. It is a beautiful thing to be able to plink in the back yard every evening with the same gun and rounds i carried all day. This promotes me to shoot every day just to expend the sweat covered rounds I’ve carried all day in my pocket. Love your channel. Anyone looking for these in the comments section, they can be had off federal’s website as of yesterday. There has only been a couple times i have looked there over the last year that they were out of stock, a week later they were back.
As of two years ago I started using Federal Punch and my tests in different materials showed good results !
I also carry the CCI Velocitor and have used it for a number of years , good quality .22 ammo !
Federal Ammunition: "Hey, we've got new ammo".
Also Federal Ammunition: "No, you can't buy any".
For sure!
Mine was more along the lines of.... Damn near everyone in America: "It would be great to be able to buy some 9mm". Federal Ammunition: "Check out this re-invented wheel! All factory staff, to the 22lr line!"
As if the real problem with ammo shortage isn't the millions of people buying like crazy (and especially the a**holes who buy up whole shelves just to resell it), lets totally blame the overworked and often abused manufacturers.
@@allmyhobbiesareexpensive2676 You are exactly right. Watch the flea markets and gun shows and you can find ammo. It's just gonna be 2 to 4 times the normal price. On ammoseek the cheapest 45acp was 79 cents a round for shit steel case ammo. Underwood ammo is $2.90 per round. Insanity! Some dealers and assholes online everywhere are causing this!
@@allmyhobbiesareexpensive2676yup! I saw 243 go for $2 per round and there was a line!
I would love to see a meat target test to see how it does against bone
And oranges!
How much is Paul paying you? 🤘🤠🏴☠️
@@eljuano28 What is eleventy billion times zero? It is around that number. 😉
Paul Harrell needs to do this test
@Common Sense Realist Yeah, but WHAT GUN did you use send it? A 2" pocket pistol or an 18" rifle? This bullet has 74 ft. lbs of muzzle energy from an 18" barreled rifle. From a pocket pistol like the Ruger he's using, you'd have to hold the barrel next to the skull to make any kind of hole.
Great video...the gel block says it! Every prepper/survivalist should have .22 rifle and pistol. I love semiautos but the single shot bolt action rifle, and revolver are super dependable. My kids/grandkids all learned on remington model 512 single shot bolt action and began learning right off the one shot wisdom....no "spraying"rounds downrange wasting ammo. When we were kids hunting deer/elk/antelope we were handed 3 rounds, get it done or go home to lots of ribbing because you still had an unused tag!
Interesting to see the bullets actually get sucked back in the wound channel from their furthest penetration.
The gelatin blocks are a real rubbery consistency is why.
in the infinite words of the lords; "Title", and so it was and it was awesome
My take on .22LR for self defense is that there is no other round you can shoot on target as fast as .22. Centerfire rounds, especially out of a pistol, take concentration and careful pacing, something that will be hard to do when your life is being threatened suddenly and at close range. IMO, light em up with .22 and that will get the job done. The first hit should throw them off enough to hurt their own ability to shoot, then you finish them off with the rest of the 9 or so rounds in the mag. Much better than missing once or twice with a larger caliber and then it's too late.
Absolutely agreed. Speed and pricision wins any fight/gun fight
Good video as always, but I wish you would have compared the Punch ammo to various "regular" .22 LR rounds for comparison purposes.
I think that the deciding factor was the larger barrel. With ammunition as small as the .22, there's not much room for different types of bullets. What you want from the manufacturer is consistency and reliability.
I recently bought this .22 LR Punch (directly from Federal) for self-defense use in my Ruger LCP-2; however, it had problems cycling the ammunition. (My LCP-2 has flawlessly cycled CCI, CCI Blazer, Winchester, Remington, and even Herter's, but it will not cycle the Federal Punch.) I then tried the Punch ammo in my Ruger Mark IV and it also had the same cycling problems, so I know that the fault does not rest with the guns. Looks like I will stick with CCI Mini-Mags for self-defense.
Probably the flat nose head instead of round nose.
The Ruger LCP-2 is exactly what I was thinking of using this with. Perhaps I'll go with the CCI Stinger 32 grain or just stick with the CCI Mini-Mags 40 grain.
@@firstperson4018 The CCI Mimi-Mags or the Winchester Hyper Velocity Hollow Points are what I would go with. Both work flawlessly.
Great video. .22lr self defense looks to be ideal for my wife. She has always loved her S&W. Easy reload, high capacity magazine. Having multiple magazines is ideal for her home defense.
very cool, i own a LCP 2 22caliber pistol. i like Remington ammo, and Federal, i prefer Federal, but the Remington, no misfire, stovepipe, and because of you i also own the Tippmann micro elite pistol. i go to the range twice a month to practice. a 22 well placed shot is better than a 9mm out of trying to recover target 2nd shot i can place 3 rounds very quick. plus i have arthritic hands. being 66 years old. thank you for that video. will be ordering Federal Punch for sure!!
Just had bunch of this .22 punch on the shelf at my local shop. Limit 2 per day will get more until it runs out.👍🏾
Just FYI people, I have read autopsy reports where the victim was shot 6 times with a 22. It was pretty crazy how the bullet traveled throughout the body. One round exited out the ear. Moral of the story don’t ever underestimate this round.
On the flip side I have met someone who was a soldier in the Balkans and he survived getting shot in the torso with more than a half dozen 5.45x39 rounds, so sometimes it's just the luck of the draw I guess. I agree with your final point though, 100%: never underestimate.
Ammoland has an article called Handgun caliber does not matter.
The stats from every defensive use with a pistol was compiled.
The .22lr has the best avg for shots to incapacitate at 1.38.
The lowly .45 was over 2 shot avg.
I was literally typing I would love to see the Punch vs Stingers in Ballistics Gel. I think it would also be cool to see the Punch vs 380. The cavity created by the Punch out of the Beretta was impressive.
I remember when you could buy bb's, pellets and ammo at the local convince store.
Those slurpy goopy sound effect with the ominous music when you were shooting the gelatin got me quaking
Hyrogliphics Brotha souls of mischief
Late to the party but nice video. Been a .22 fan for a very long time. I know it's limitations but fact is, most people don't want to get shot with anything. 😉 As for this bullet vs Stingers, I've shot cast lead SWC in my .44 mag forever and they are devastating. Punch a clean hole and the hydrostatic shock turns things into mush. Not saying this .22 can do that but the bullet shape obviously makes a good wound channel. Rock on!
Tested a minimum 200 hundred rounds in EACH of Ruger LCP II 22LR, Keltec P17 (3 different P17's actually!), Ruger 10/22, Keltec CP-33. Worked flawless in all except for the quad-stack CP-33. I actually couldn't load the magazine properly since they kept going into rim lock. Under a magnifying lens you can see the rim of the 22LR Punch is circular, versus rounded corners like most else. This makes the Punch a no-go for CP-33. Not a big deal, just put the stingers back in. Not one misfire in 1000 rounds though. This is phenomenal reliability from any bullet, let alone a rimfire.
Load the cp33 mag and be absolutely sure to seat it all the way back each and every time. Should solve your problem.
@@ForceMultiplier LOL thanks it's a great tip for 22 ammo but you missed the part about the shape of the primer rim is too rounded for the angle of the rounds in the cp33 mag. Even with properly seating every round, after 2 or 3 they just pop into rimlock when you insert another. Ruger's 10/22 mags are perfect since they curve and work with the punch great. Probably better to use stingers in a rifle since you get expansion with the additional velocity. Otherwise, the punch are perfect and I have had zero failures in any of the pistols I mentioned. The P17 or TX22 with the punch suppressed would be a great wet work or defense tool. Never thought I would say that about 22....
Good on Federal. Now, we need a 22 magnum round of similar design and function. Any word on that. Plinkster?
Agreed. The 22 Magnum is the way to go.
And make it in a 40 grain that my PMR 30 likes.
@@robertpeacock1635 It does make me wonder why some PMR30s eat everything and others are picky.
@@zendell37 Never tried anything else, better safe than sorry. It's grip is big enough to fit my hand and the .22 mag should be good for 'yotes at distance probably needed.
@@robertpeacock1635 My PMR-30 shoots 30gr just fine.
Great videos as always thank you. I'm a huge fan of 308, and surprisingly to some a 22 long rifle. I get laughed and criticized a LOT from the usual tacticool armchair professionals...but nobody's willing to get shot by one to prove my point. I enjoy your channel brother.
I'm yet to have ANYONE willing to stand 100 yards out to support their bullshit theories against the humble 22lr... 🤷♂️
Still droppin hogs and beef even elk everyday with a 22
@@bigd7861 no one has ever taken up my offer to shoot their trash talking ass out at 200 yards with a 45acp either! 🤣🤣🤣
I wouldn't want to get hit with a 22lr at 300yds!
22lr goes clean through rock chucks at 200yds!
I've gut punched a coyote at 301yds and killed it.
No it didn't go through it.
But it's been dead for eleven years now. 😂😂
I haven't seen a box of rimfire ammo on a shelf since Feb 2020. Maybe I'll see this in a few years.
In the past few months I've bought CCI Mini-mags at WM and Calbelas multiple times. I have also seen Velocitors and Maxi-Mags for sale and available on the CCI website.
@@wes326 What country do you inhabit?
@@josepocos Nebraska.
Good luck finding any.. going to be a long wait.
I like CCI Stinger 32 grain HPs out of my 3" Bersa FS22... Great velocity, nickel case since 197x, 100% reliable, seeming enough penetration. Speeds I got over my Competition electronics chronograph: 1231 1244 1259 1257 AV 1247 SD 13 with lotso-fireballs.
Great ammunition, thanks for the test. btw please read the label on your CCI "stanger" ammunition, usually it's spelled "stinger" like a bee stinger.
OK. Congratulations to Federal for coming up with the Punch 22LR ammo.
Now how about a 50 grain 22WMR (aka Magnum) Punch round? THAT'S what I'm talking about!
Oooh...! Call their marketing people and tell them the demand is out here...that is a good idea...
With regards to carrying a .22 pistol; An old friend who worked for a popular ammo manufacturer explained it well. Because the gunpowder comes in direct contact with the primer powder, it acts like sandpaper over time wearing away the primer powder while you are moving about (pocket carry). That doesn’t happen to center fire ammo because the primer powder is encapsulated in the primer.
Thank's Kevin GREAT INFO !!!
Makes sense. Also makes sense why better quality .22 comes in those plastic containers with them facing bullet down.
For some reason this video cleared away a few cobwebs and reminded me that I had a box of Hornandy .22mag ftx that Id bought and put away in the winter of 2012(ish). Along with said 22magnum there was also a small variety of misc rounds including seven unopened 525 round boxes of Blazer 22. My heart almost stopped.
Dang! I would be ecstatic if i found that much ammo i tucked away as well!!
I always preferred the 40 gr round nose CCI for self defense.little ping pong balls they will do quite a bit of damage inside he chest cavity if need be. U don’t need expansion with such a little rd, penetration and bullet placement is the killer pill.but I will try some for the hell of it if I can find some one day. Great video Plinker as always.👍
I like 22 solids for grouse, will reach for these when they attack my tent this fall.
This ammo is FINALLY available in Southern California! Just bought a bunch of sleeves down at LAX Ammo in Huntington Beach. Can't wait to get it down to the range and test accuracy and reliability.
You can definitely tell the difference with the longer barrels - there's a distinct sonic "snap" to the sound.
I think they might be on to something with the flat nose bullet. IIRC, a wider-nosed bullet of the same caliber will deposit more energy, so it seems like this is acting as a great combination of maximum expansion and penetration out of a small gun. Definitely BOTH things that .22LR needs. This might be a winner. I suspect they're also using REALLY fast-burning powder in these loads?
Pretty cool to see rimfire finally getting more love from bullet designers after all these years. Over the decades whenever the conversation comes up about using a rimfire for self defense the way I always see it is that sure, a heavier caliber can hit harder and cause more damage. But as I see it, if a vital organ is hit with a bullet that causes damage then said organ has a difficult time working. It doesn't matter if the damage is a smaller wound cavity from a rimfire or a larger one from a heavier round. Either way, the organ is in danger of failing. Same for blood loss too. A hole in an artery is a hole. And while it's very possible to get very good at rapid mag dumps with a 9 or .45 it doesn't take as much muscle mass to pump out a bunch of rimfires so anyone can do it. And with very light recoil they can also stay on target far easier and print a better group.
I'd always ask people if they'd like the idea of bird shot penetrating their heart or aorta......so if bird shot gives a person pause, then a little .22HP round....well, I rest my case :D
I'm glad to see manufacturers focusing on .22 as a defense round. This ammo with a Ruger MKIII and 10/22 would be a great combo. Or how about a GSG9/GSG16..??
But I'm sure a part of it is because of the demand for other ammo.
The bottom line: a .22 is better than nothing.
"Currently Unavailable" ... sign of the times? I guess I was a bit late going to the Federal site... 🥺
Way late. I got plenty
Yep DAM demoncRats
Thank the demonrats
And its always out for me...i can't find anything on federals site.
@@terrybrown5402 lol wtf do democrats have to do with it? Who do you think is buying up all the ammo? Though tbf, lots of democrats armed up for the first time last summer so I guess some contributed to it. But isn't that a good thing to have more gun owners on both sides of the aisle? And there's zero chance of any real gun control passing right now. Even if something did, the supreme court is locked conservative for a long time to come so anything egregious would get struck down. So any panic buying right now is just as dumb as those morons buying carts full of toilet paper a year ago.
Also, you shouldn't dehumanize your fellow Americans with terms like "demonrats". It's incredibly unpatriotic and really makes you seem brainwashed. United we stand, divided we fall.
Thanks for the video. Well done. When lining up your variable "ducks" in in an attempt at coming up with an acceptable self-defence platform it's always a good idea to remember that the last "duck" will always be luck. Carry whatever makes you feel good but carry something. I tap danced to all of this and finally settled on a Titan 25 cal semi-auto because its deadly accurate up to 30 feet (beyond that it isn't) and it fits in my front pocket comfortably without giving itself away. I also figured the odds of an encounter happening so I settled on surprise and ability to hit a close target. Beyond any of these variable scenarios if it's my time to go, it my time to go. If given a chance know for sure I will go down fighting. Lol
I carry CCI segmented in my LCP 2, but I’m always intrigued by something new
A nasty round for sure. The “report” broke the main spring in my mini revolver.
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22gr or the 36gr?
@@RobLeeBea it’s either 36 or 40, but I believe 36
@Mr Cevant I watched a UA-cam video by Beyond Seclusion, the video was called 22lr for self defense?? Must watch! I was impressed to say the very least! He shot cow parts, ribs, lung, hide, and denim, those segregated rounds are no joke
I have not meet a single person who says “oh that’s a .22, im going to harm you anyway”. I carry a .22 with no worry.
I don't know about statistics nowadays but back in the 70s/80s more people wete killed by 22lr than all other calibers combined.
For some reason, there's a group of people around here that think a .22lr is unable to harm you. God only knows where they got that idea. I have easily shot deer with them, and lots of other game.
I always said that also no one wants to get shot with any cal.
Right? There are people out here hunting feral hogs with air guns but a 22 is just a bee sting hahaha
@@got2kittys Yup. Had plenty of whitetail does fall flat with one shot of 22.
The CCI Velocitor has superior short-barrel performance in ballistic gelatin in the tests I've seen. It gets 16 inches of penetration with little or no expansion, and also performs well out of rifle barrels, with about 10-12 inches of penetration plus good expansion.
Yep, i have a ton of it for that reason.
Luckygunner lab tests are great.
Now try it with cci copper. On the box it has it at over 1800 fps.
True. Your comment beat me to it.
1800 out of a 16 inch barrel and notorious for being very inaccurate.
@@tacocin 22plinkster said shot out of a rifle this would go around 1650fps the cci copper on the box has 1850fps on it, he is also shooting hand guns also inaccurate. I would like to try the Federal punch but the only 22 ammo I can find here is cci copper 22 at Kents in Tremonton Utah at about 12 bucks a box.
I think the copper bullets was meant for places where lead would not be appropriate. Hunting bunnies within 50 yards, copper slugs would be ok.
My guess is that a 40 grain round nose moving a bit slower will perform near identically for self defense. But options are good.
Yeah I like the flat nose but I'd rather have a heavier bullet.
Yup!
40 gr Mini-Mag round nose is my choice when I want penetration.
22 LR - 40 Grain CPHP - CCI Velocitor gives 15.6 inches penetration from 4.4 inch revolver.
22 LR - 37 gr CPHP - Winchester Varmint HE gives 12.7" penetration from 1.9 inch revolver.
ALL of them need more momentum for penetration.
Round nose will not give you the permanent wound channel.
I’d never put all my trust in a .22 but I’d like to load up a couple of BX 25 mags for my backpacker just as a supplement for when I wander off into the backcountry. Excellent video.
I freaking love Cci Velocitor
That's always been my .22lr of choice for anything more then plinking.
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@@jamesborek8125 yup...we are low for those, can't shoot any until we get that stock back up to par...those rounds are just about great for any use...
I think these loaded into a 10/22 charger would be plenty sufficient for home defense
yep, spray and pray with a red dot and a flash light.
@@dobeekind Yep..spray and pray just like shotgun..😁
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@Sixth UA-cam Account So Far sure do.
I’m sure it would work, but when there are a plurality of more reliable and better options, why?
Keep up the good work. Love to see the proof in the pudding 🤣 for say. Excellent info on barrel length, penitration, ammo, and gel results to give people the open option whether to carry a 22lr or other choice.
I didn't expect much at the start but the ballistic gel sold me on this. It has a similar wound path I would expect to see in a 9mm. Shooting pencils. But that amount of expansion during its path is great. I'd like to see what a 22short and 22 mag round look like. The nickel coating is attractive to those who want a stash of good ammo for survival and bug out bags. I'd like to see results of weathering and torture test of this ammo in different environments. See if it will fire after submerged for so many hours or days and so on. Depending on price I may look into a small 22 for a ccw backup to go with my ccw full frame 1911 45 acp
Great comparison between Punch and Stanger ammo in a pocket pistol! I'm now carrying CCI Velositors for my EDC. I think many of us would love to see you compare these to Punch and Stangers with a gel test. It might once and for all prove which has better penetration for personal protection.
STINGERS. Not “strangers”…
Glad to see that my self-defense backup or an SR 22 with punch is reliable.
I still can’t believe you don’t have one million subscribers!! Been a long time fan brother 🇺🇸🇺🇸🤙🤙
I like hearing better to have 3 hits than a miss from a larger caliber. My wife is a small framed person and a bit intimidated by larger caliber but loves shooting and controls her Walther p22 phenomenally
Since you made this video I have always thought it is a no brainer. However finding a good revolver with decent trigger or affordable reliable viable carry semi Auto was next to impossible here in Minnesota 2-3yrs ago. There are now low cost good quality advantages available to those of us who have learned Federal Punch in .22lr is no joke, actually far from it!
Kel-Tek makes a now on sale $179 p17 that runs it flawlessly, very accurately with great features. It weighs next to nothing, prints about 1” wide, comes with good sights, tools for Supressor host capabilities & 3 sixteen round magazines. Sting-Gers or Stang-Gers(now $13 per 100 thankfully)run flawlessly too, 😉
Punch in .22Lr is THANKFULLY recently $8 per 50 now! I have run just over 3500 rounds of it now, not one failure & counting!!!!!!!!!!
CCi of any flavor is the only ammo that reliably and consistently shoots out of my 10/22... I have tried them all from other manufactures and I always go back to CCI for accuracy and reliability...
my daughter has a 10/22 anniversary model and it says the breech tolerance is too tight for the longer 'stinger' ammunition . bums me out because the stingers really impresses me in my old Marlin model 25. I agree that the CCI line is excellent. Federal used to make 'Spitfire' .22 hyper velocity ( packaged in a snuff can in the 1980s) they were fantastic as well (I used them for hunting squirrels). anyhow ,with the shortage of ammo my daughter has been shooting Agulia for her league shooting, has been really happy with the results (Eley primer) - give them a try.
@@l.a.2646 I will thank you for the advice... 22 ammo in my area is like the dinosaurs, so I am running out of my beloved cci...
If Federal is going to be brave enough to claim .22LR is suitable for self defense, I sure hope they use a 100% reliable priming compound. There are no alibi's when it comes to self defense.
There's probably some wording out there somewhere that they assume no responsibility for product reliability and make no guarantees. Liability insurance covers everything else.
Not to mention reliability of feeding.
@@Kyrazlan less of an issue these days
Not a problem for revolvers. Just pull the trigger again
People go on and on about how unreliable .22LR is, but the more data I see on it the more I see it as a non-issue with a modern gun with modern QUALITY ammo. Modern .22LR isn't your grandpa's crappy old .22, manufacturing and gunpowder has come a long way.
Most people that seem to have problems are firing a worn out gun that has shot more in a weekend than a centerfire they own will shoot in its life and are buying the cheapest bulk ammo they can find that may not even be the right spec for the gun their shooting (semi-auto needs jacketed high velocity, not bare lead or low velocity/subsonic). I watched a 3 gun competition the other day where fancy schmancy centerfire race pistols were stove piping and having other issues, no gun is perfectly reliable and .22LR gets an unfair bad rap.
I’ve never heard of them stanger rounds!!!! Thanks for sharing your videos and keep them coming please.
Actually, if you rewatch the slomo, the Stanger made a pretty large cavity.
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My first choice for a carry gun is a .22lr, and has been for many years. For
reasons: 1. Much more practice. 22’s are fun to shoot with negligible recoil. 2. Ammo is cheap thus encouraging practice. 3. More likely to have shots on target. Again, because of practice and low recoil. 4. In a defensive situation, don’t want to be spraying the local neighborhood with heavy caliber ammo. Again, back to practice and shots on target. However, for home defense I use a .45 ACP 1911. If someone breaks into my home, I know he means to do me and my family harm and I don’t care if I hit the stove, as long as the perp gets a painful message. The intruder will definitely regret being hit by a .45 bullet. Good video.
Grand Thumb and the 22lr now this, has someone sent out a request for 22lr as a defensive round recently?
Love to see these in the small Rugers and NAA pugs
@@thomasjackson7826 pug.
For when you need to be able to ccw without printing in a speedo.
Was thinking the same thing, lol
@@1991USsoldier haha, speedo carry at the vertical 6 O’Clock position I’m ass-uming?
Lots of people are of the belief .22lr is suitable for SD . Various handguns in .22lr are marketed for defensive use .
Not saying in this post if they are sadly misguided , or they have a rational leg to stand on , but the demand is there .
I can't even get "Stangers" much less the Punch right now😔
I was lucky to find 2 boxes a week ago. Felt like I won a raffle.
Canada. Dirt cheap. I get Stingers in my cart and then, "No shipping to US addresses."
This totally aligns with what a homicide detective told me years ago. Non-hollow point ammo for .22 when using for self defense. He said few survive hits with a solid point .22. He also said that he never saw anyone survive a solid point .22 fired from a rifle....all died.
I heard something similar from a trauma NP guy. He said most shot w/ .22 died. But that was 20+ years ago. Soft body armor is pretty common now on bad guys so if you are using .22 (or most other pistol calibers) you will need to shoot around it.
I knew a kid in high school who shot a .22 (I don't know what type of gun) in his hotel room and the round went through the wall and killed a guy in the next room.
That was some bad luck all around. .22 is no joke. Shot placement is *everything* if you want sudden stops.
I was skeptical until I saw the ballistics test, that it actually really impressive.
out of the 5 inch Barreta ya, those little 2 inchers not really.
Is a 5 inch .22lr more " impressive " than a 2 inch .22lr ? Absolutely and catagorically , with any and all types of ammo !
Does this penetrate deeper than conventional 40 gr Round Nose such as Mini Mag from comparable bbl lengths ? Good Question , I'd like to know .
Is this ammo " Impressive " in the absolute sense , or compared to any " defensive caliber other than .25 acp " ? At the risk of flaming by the .22lr fanboys for pointing out the reality , not really , nor is any .22lr from a handgun .
Watching these videos reminds me of "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous": "I'm Robin Leach and I'm going to show you things you don't have, will never have and can't afford anyway."
It’s only $10 a box on the website.
@@ShotgunMike "Only"
What a world we live in.
@@ShotgunMike paid 5.49 for regular Aguila lead nose solid. Edit: sorry, this was for 50 rounds.
@@c.j.rogers2422 agree.
It's only priced the same as 9mm.
😂😂😂😂🖕 Federal!
Yep, picked up a .22 for trapping. Can't find ammo anywhere in town, or the next town in pick a direction. So to the internets I went and found this ammo. Baught a few boxes and a box of shot shells for fun (Saw your carpenter bees). Then off to the youtubes to research what I just spent my money on. I found this vid. I'm happy. Thanks for sharing.
Very interesting for sure. I’m 56, have hunted and shot for over forty years. In my day, the Stingers were the bomb. Thank you for your dedication. I’m from Canada, so may never see that great ammunition.
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Well it was in stock I guess...not anymore... shame. I'd love to see how this does out of my 10/22 backpacker
Federal has be my favorite AMMO!
Nice. Funny how the ear protection ad came up right after the Ruger shot when you said oops lol.