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I think Outbreak deserves some more love. Nanites can turn a lot of gunfights in your favor and the weapon itself feals like a laser gun. That's of course from my experience with this gun. Huge respect for the work put into this tier list, absolutely loved it :)
#CloudstrikeCollat Each clip has 4, 4, 3, (1, 1), 3, 4, 3 kills in addition to the snipes themselves. So depending on how you count the snipe itself, there are either 23 or 31 collateral kills.
Definitely gonna be sharing this with some friends, always love your takes on pvp. You’ve made me a better player and have become my go to when people ask about pvp youtubers.
I got back to destiny literally 2 days ago, haven't played since forsaken and came to watch some videos about d2 and found your channel. This is one of the best d2 channels i have seen, if not the best. Congratulations!!!!!
I am so glad you ranked Heavy Weapons in this. It seems like no one ranks them anymore even though they can be powerful options with some of the legendary primaries and specials we have.
This is the only tier list I have nodded in agreement to every choice. Not only that, but wow the effort taken to make this is insanely commendable; fantastic work! *and unfortunately I typed those last two words with Shaxx screaming in my head. Ugh
“Speaking of crimson, that ‘subscribe button is looking pretty Crimson for about 85% of you” That was genius. I’d sub again if I could without breaking ToS
Great vid Shadow, as per ushe! I agree with most of your rankings +/- a tier EXCEPT for rat king. You didn't mention it in the video (not to say you didn't consider it) but the health regen on reload that the catalyst provides makes it very good IMO.
I notice that lorentz driver is not changing at all in your rankings. They literally gave it a pve nerf while everyone was complaining about it in pvp.
Ehh heir apparent will now get ohkod by the majority of supers and its arc shield will be taken out in less than a half second by most arc guns now. As of right now i believe itll be a solid A- maybe A+
Oh and another thing. Leviathan's breath one shot bodies all supers including titan in buble and well (via knockback). And it's "soo bad cuz slow waaaa" stompyes/shadow hunter mentality. If i can't get easy killfeeds, it's useless. All other proprieties be damned. Shit list contents from the perspective of that guy who only looks to stomp in 6's while using ace with fellwinters alongside shaterdive.
@@vLaD3r5 The meta in PvP is literally speed. The exact reason why movement exotics and high handling stats are what you want. I dont know which one I would choose for when i get power ammo, a legendary machine gun where i can easily get 4-5 kills fast, or a huge ass bow where i can get maybe 1 or 2 kills after 3 years.
Tommy's is DEFINITELY slept on, just as you said. I've been using it occasionally since it was put into the game and it's always been a comfortable and fun weapon to use.
I think I was a tad too harsh on that one. Mayyybe I'd put it in the C tier, but at the end of the day I don't think sidearms are particularly fierce competitors in this meta
You just earned a sub, you are the first creator to create a video that addresses both console and PC. Many of these other creators, as good as they are only focus on their gaming device, which makes the reviews way less accurate than it should be.
I kinda disagree on the controller placement of Dead Man's Tale. I've always been a treat it as a scout rifle first, hip-fire hand cannon extraordinar second. It's very appealing to just yeehaw the thing all the time, but I think if you treat as a scout that's very easy to use it goes up a little. Not S tier until the buffs possibly, but definitely higher in my opinion. I love this video still, really on point rankings.
@@ShadowDestiny Oh, certainly! The buffs make me very happy on controller. I've been practicing with it in its current state. So I'm excited to see with its buff if I feel a notable difference. Until then though I'll hold my breath.
you’re prob my fav pvp youtuber so far other than cammy, your voice is really soothing to hear in things like tier lists and i genuienly agree with a lot of this list
!! this video is amazing, thank you so much ! it must have taken a lot of work, you have my utmost respect from this. I do really think symmetry and wavespliter are slept on tho, but in the right hands they can be amazing !! symmetry starts slow but it can easily wipe a team after a couple headshots. trace rifles in general are slept on, but if you pair them with a bow or a sidearn like peacebond they can be super good.
Really cool list! Personally Im a trace rifle simp so I think you went kinda hard on them, but I do totally understand that they are not at all optimal. If you get the chance, maybe give them some more time Coldheart is my personal favourite, and whilst not the best option, I'm sure that a trace rifle in your hands would make them look S+ tier!
This is really unfortunate, that this video isnt getting the attention it deserves. This video was awesome. I hope you dont lose motivation, this is one of the best tier list out there
Funny thing is, coldheart doesn't deal stasis damage not because it didn't in year one(well, that too) but because omolon wasn't given access to stasis in beyond light. Side note, electricity can be generated by cold Edit:fixed a typo
Cold heart doesn’t deal stasis damage because it isn’t cold. It is so hot in fact, that omolon had to build a ‘cold heart’ into the weapon so that it doesn’t instantly overheat.
You didn't mention Rat King's catalyst healing you when you reload after a kill, it's genuinely one of the best dueling weapons in the game because you essentially have the advantage in any gunfight you get into whether thats from the invisibility or the health regen.
Fun fact with hawkmoon: hand cannon holster mods and lucky pants can reload it without wasting paracausal shot, so you can have x7 paracausal shot in your first bullet, so in theory, you can abuse the extreme range paracausal x7 gives from bullet 9 to 2 and then stow the weapon for a bit until it's all the way up, and then if you need a quick kill you just do the ca-caw shot
Yeah it's literally in the name. ColdHEART. As in the inside of the gun is cold, not the beam it fires. I'm not sure why so many people say "Coldheart should be stasis!" when it makes no sense AND would just be an unnecessary nerf to the gun.
@@pluto3194 cause its called cold heart and they released it b4 stasis kind of just bad planning. Make an arc gun and name it cold-heart even though we plan to bring stasis... duuurrrrr.... Should have just named it arcwave or some shit.
I love that you recognize that Auto Rifles are not up to par with their competition. Any time I see a thread on Reddit or comment about improving the weapon type , there is almost always a dog pile of players that will tell you how awful it would be for the game and would ruin crucible if they get any more buffs.
@@nathanflinchum1153 people forget every time, it's because Hand Cannons got nerfed and had a range of cap less than Auto Rifles. That paired with the damage buff to body and crit TTK for autos at the time. Even then they were the top weapons used in the more competitive PvP modes.
@@jeremyjohnson9585 I think it was the best and most balanced in the seasons prior to The Final Shape release. 450s were hyper competitive and on par 100% with 140 Hand Cannons. And 360 rpm Autos with pre nerf Target lock were amazing but not broken. Best time I had as an Auto Rifles user. Autos are in an okay spot currently. Not bad, but not as good as Pulses and Hand Cannons. Ego time: To me, this just further cements that I do indeed understand game balance better than most. I criticized Bungie on their forums during Destiny 1 about why Titans got shafted in melee fights because they had no melee lunge unlike Warlocks and Hunters, Bungie ends up finally fixing it. I complained that Titans had no ranged supers in D1 prior to The Taken King, boom fixed. I am doing free quality control for these dudes.
To the Coldheart sounding like a gun that should do stasis damage thing, the only cold thing about it is the core of the weapon itself, that is used to fire the megabeam of electric death. although i do think coldheart does need some sort of buff to compare to the other trace rifles
Yeah the gun gets way too hot that’s why it deals increasing damage and you can even see it in action cause the gun releases more steam the longer you deal damage
Doesn't need a buff at all, if anything Prometheus and Wavesplitter do. Coldheart is one the highest DPS'ing specials in the game and has been for a long while.
It’s complicated for Americans to pronounce it. Because it that and the different pronunciations of o and r…YES you spelled it right. :) Tldr: Try to say Dorn (the r needs the most „attention“/pronunciation and the o the least amount). Röschen (most attention on the r, the s and the ch)
I'm not gonna lie and say Rat King is A tier or something but it definitely deserves better than E when you have the catalyst! The archetype has a good ttk, is forgiving since the body ttk is still pretty fast, and gives a nice health bump after kill
I noticed ur still commenting on this video shadow lmao, my friends always compare our aim to urs and it’s wild to think u play on controller. Ur always the destiny UA-camr we look to when it comes to tips and entertainment. Love the effort🫡
I feel ya my friend.I keep a slightly diverse selection of Hand Cannons on me at all times.Aside from the Ace of ♤ just being Awesomely Devine based on performance alone.Then you factor in how GD cool it looks.Yeah it's appearance is mesmerizing to those with any sense of style at all,but for those looking down the business end.Id bet their experience isn't nearly as pleasant as ours..lol..
I haven’t played D2 in about 3 years. Yet I watched this and am redownloading it right now. No one has ever been able to make me redownload anything. These videos are too good. Stop it.
wow haha, that's really great to hear from my perspective as a creator. If I may ask, how/why did you start watching Destiny videos while not playing the game? Regardless, I hope you enjoy your return to the game and thanks for watching the vids!
100% disagree with Rat King placement- with good movement, the invisibility from the vermin perk can really make for a chaotic fight for your opponent. Also, the catalyst makes it heal on reloads after a kill, which is very powerful
Definitely, up close it really melts and still is good in mid close range. The perks are really good, especially with the catalyst and if you are with your mates and using this gun together it is really underrated. (Last time the map was anomaly me and the boys used all Ratkings for a really fun flawless, pissing off a lot of players)Though I have to say the range on rat king is not overall good, especially compared to some legendary sidearms, forcing you to play much closer with it. Even with that I would have at least rated this for D tier, and in B tier personally. It also should be taken into account that sidearms are just way stickier on controller too.
Love the video! Just wanted to point out that in the special ammo tier list at the end you forgot arbalest. Thank you for making the entire tier list so I can see someone else's pov other than my own.
What was that explosive joke for Malfeasance? Lol Also, I’m looking forward to (per this week’s TWAB) the 50% increase in Malf’s explosion damage; I love the thing in pve with Lucky Pants and if 180s ever rise above garbage tier in PVP…
Divinity is really good if you know how to use it, its actually (personally) the best trace rifle in trials because you practically can shoot through walls. Leme explain. if ur playing a hand cannon/120 user, you can start off with the bubble, then when they go behind cover the hitbox is big enough that you still can shoot them for max dmg. Its even better with charged with light, and with the new arc 2.0 you can make every kill blind people surrounding them.
Riskrunner deserves to be higher. I've been able to wipe teams in Trials when the perk becomes active and it's a good 1v1 submachine gun in my opinion. Also the fact that you can activate the perk with your own grenade makes it fantastic
Quick piece of advice to maximise Sweet Business kills, prefire around corners. Got my first ever lighthouse thanks to a team of prefiring, Actium War Rig, Sweet Business Hammer titans.
Dude. Great video man. That's an epic amount of work right there, and I had a fun time watching it. Of course, I disagree with about 10 placements, but those are pretty great odds, eh?
I disagree with the SUROS Regime ranking, it's just such a fun, easy and effective weapon to use, and auto rifles are hella more forgiving than HCs. (from the perspective of a controller player with poor aim.) Still a great tier list, legend.
As a bow main, I have just a little bit of input: Wishender should probably be B tier, especially if paired with a quickdraw hand cannon. I love being able to delete people before they even know where I am, and proper aggressive wishender play is ridiculously strong because no one knows how to counter it. also I think I'd bump leviathan's up to E or D tier. the draw time hurts, but having a oneshot bodyshot hitscan weapon is rare. I use it often when I've got my biting winds/wolftone draw builds on, and its high aim assist and easy oneshot tendency can demolish people. Also, there's nothing in this game more satisfying than onetapping a super with levi. Still, loved the tier list. nicely done!
Shadow I love your videos and this tier list is fantastic. That said Rat King was definitely robbed. It's a 0.07s slower TTK than Last Word, you can ADS with it or not without penalty, you only need to hit one headshot for a 0.8s TTK, it gives you invisibility and health on a kill, it has a perfect 100 recoil direction and thus very manageable recoil, unlike TLW it has great in-air accuracy, it has 15 in the mag and a faster reload than TLW so you're much less ammo-starved, and it has cool little rat eyes that glow when a friend has it equipped. All that for having a couple of metres less range, 16 vs 20. Sure it could use a buff but it's definitely not E tier when paired with a good sniper, similar to Last Word.
1 - Agree with pretty much everything here, and regardless, love to see the opinions of players much better than me at the game - very interesting to see/hear. 2 - Thank you, SO MUCH, for not calling Vex broken. That thing is not overpowered, and it will be in a good spot after the nerf. Just wish that other non-720 auto rifles (particularly legendaries) were reasonably competitive in endgame pvp too. (600rpms are SOOO CLOSE but not quite. Shayura's Wrath is what 600rpm auto rifles should be ; 600rpm SMGs need a bit reworked imo) edit: Also, personal take, B tier and higher are in a pretty good spot - maybe some LIGHT nerfs to S tier, but i dont think it's necessary - and C tier and lower need some form of buff, rather it be to the archetype they're from or the exotic itself. (C tier needs the least buffs out of all of the tiers below B, obviously, and more the lower down the tiers you go.) edit2: If you think Vex is broken, you're a bad player, OR don't know the weapon's counterplay. One look at my K:D makes you realize you don't need that much skill to be able to outplay it with some decent meta weapons, as I can consistently outplay and outduel Vex players more than I can your average DMT or Ace player, because I understand auto rifles better than any other gun archetype. This isn't meant as an insult; it's meant to tell you to look at yourself, your play, and the Vex itself, and figure out WHY you are dying to it, and how to COUNTER that, how to PREVENT that, and improve your play so you can make every Vex player (most of the time) nothing but a pushover. The gun isn't broken, you just need to learn how to fight it, and if you refuse to do that, that's YOUR fault, and the gun doesn't need nerfed because of it. The nerf it's getting should make it less oppressive in 6s, and not a crutch, so it'll fix the parts that are actually a problem with the gun. Also, lowering the RPM or base damage would ruin the gun's viability. Those changes should not be made just because people refuse to learn, and are annoyed. Please learn, instead of complaining. Auto rifles don't deserve to be relegated to "mediocre at best" unless they have no range just because you're salty. How would you feel if 140rpm hand cannons got that treatment?
I’m not saying Divinity is the best, but if you have a well organized team it can be a monster in something like Competitive. If one of your teammates has a Messenger with Desperado, you can basically get free headshot kills and start shredding people.
I love your vid but I also have to say that due to the 3.0 versions that are out now that when arc 3.0 comes out you may want to make another ranking vid. Given that the devs and mods are finally going the "pick what feels right to you" route and giving blessings to many different weapon types and rpm due to trying to creat a diverse weapon pool instead of a meta weapon pool. Love your vids and I watched the stages of guardians when it came out and decided to sub to you. Your voice definitely keeps me focused and videos entertaining. Keep up the good work!
I like where you put vex honestly, A- isn't bad and I recently used it in pvp, non trials, and ran a 1.47. I'm not good at PvP but that gun does raise your skills if you like using assault rifles
Kinda late to the party, but im German and you actually spelled the Dornröschen perk right haha. Great video after all, thanks for all of the content :)
Leviathans Breath might have crappy handling but it's got the advantage of basically infinite range and one shot body shotting people. Think it belongs more in the C tier for pvp, especially comparing it to things like legend of accrius
Awesome list man. Even though I know 95% of the stuff in the video, I felt like you did a fantastic job organizing the information and presenting it. Keep up the fantastic work
Watch this next: The 2023 Exotic Weapons Tier List (Updated version of this video!): ua-cam.com/video/HN8XzqPHZKU/v-deo.html
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This video took months of planning and 100+ hours of work so I really hope you guys like it!
Fun fact: sky burners rips through heir apparent shields
I honestly didn't know that the ACD/0 Feedback deaths were Dunes, i thought i was dying to a teammate meleeing someone xD
I like the vidio but outbreak perfected on D tear and Terrabah on A+ 😪 i have both and outbreak its just perfected . 💯
RIP Ascendant Nomad whos been trying weapons for the past 2 months lmao
WAIT CRYO IS GETTING A BUFF WHERE CHARGED SHOT DOESNT USE ALL AMMO O I THINK YOU SHOULD MOVE IT FOR WHERE IT COULD BE AFTER THE BUFF
This is the most effort anyone has ever put into a tier list. Holy hell you legend.
Lol I really went all in on this one 😂
DMS?? You are the last person I thought that would be into destiny. Love the headphone reviews and hopefully see a new LCD review!
@@brugley1090 yooo haha awesome! Yeah believe it or not DMS and I run Trials every now and then :)
love to play with you two some time or at least out in the crucible!
Just below on my recommended list is a 2h video on just Hunter exotics
When you said the chaperone is an exotic sniper rifle, I died! 🤣🤣🤣
well it is
@@ChuuniCorn no it’s a shotgun
@@ethanwilkins7001 didn't catch the sarcasm I take it.
@@ethanwilkins7001 yeah that's the entire joke, it has a maximum range stat, basically making it a sniper
its a shotty and i thaught that it was a sniper
I think Outbreak deserves some more love. Nanites can turn a lot of gunfights in your favor and the weapon itself feals like a laser gun. That's of course from my experience with this gun. Huge respect for the work put into this tier list, absolutely loved it :)
#CloudstrikeCollat
Each clip has 4, 4, 3, (1, 1), 3, 4, 3 kills in addition to the snipes themselves. So depending on how you count the snipe itself, there are either 23 or 31 collateral kills.
Nice
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I counted 31 in total lol
I'm a year late 😂
Definitely gonna be sharing this with some friends, always love your takes on pvp. You’ve made me a better player and have become my go to when people ask about pvp youtubers.
thanks so much!
I got back to destiny literally 2 days ago, haven't played since forsaken and came to watch some videos about d2 and found your channel. This is one of the best d2 channels i have seen, if not the best. Congratulations!!!!!
Wow thank you that means a lot!!
I am so glad you ranked Heavy Weapons in this. It seems like no one ranks them anymore even though they can be powerful options with some of the legendary primaries and specials we have.
This is the only tier list I have nodded in agreement to every choice. Not only that, but wow the effort taken to make this is insanely commendable; fantastic work!
*and unfortunately I typed those last two words with Shaxx screaming in my head. Ugh
Haha thanks so much, comments like this one make it all worth it
“Speaking of crimson, that ‘subscribe button is looking pretty Crimson for about 85% of you”
That was genius. I’d sub again if I could without breaking ToS
LMAO thank you
Great vid Shadow, as per ushe! I agree with most of your rankings +/- a tier EXCEPT for rat king. You didn't mention it in the video (not to say you didn't consider it) but the health regen on reload that the catalyst provides makes it very good IMO.
That's a great point man, thank you!
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I notice that lorentz driver is not changing at all in your rankings. They literally gave it a pve nerf while everyone was complaining about it in pvp.
Ehh heir apparent will now get ohkod by the majority of supers and its arc shield will be taken out in less than a half second by most arc guns now. As of right now i believe itll be a solid A- maybe A+
Oh and another thing. Leviathan's breath one shot bodies all supers including titan in buble and well (via knockback). And it's "soo bad cuz slow waaaa" stompyes/shadow hunter mentality. If i can't get easy killfeeds, it's useless. All other proprieties be damned. Shit list contents from the perspective of that guy who only looks to stomp in 6's while using ace with fellwinters alongside shaterdive.
@@vLaD3r5 The meta in PvP is literally speed. The exact reason why movement exotics and high handling stats are what you want. I dont know which one I would choose for when i get power ammo, a legendary machine gun where i can easily get 4-5 kills fast, or a huge ass bow where i can get maybe 1 or 2 kills after 3 years.
@@vLaD3r5 yea i love levis, in 6s its a guaranteed two kills if you use it roght, and in trials its an easy one kill with good potential for 2.
I’m so happy that Eyes made it into A tier. Very underrated in PvP.
fr it's pretty good :)
Tommy's is DEFINITELY slept on, just as you said. I've been using it occasionally since it was put into the game and it's always been a comfortable and fun weapon to use.
YO
First clip with bad juju on burnout the rank 16 warlock jumping out the rift was me! I just realized that, thats crazy. Much love
Wow you’re the second person to say they saw themselves in the video haha! Ggs
@@ShadowDestiny ggs man
Rat King triggering health regen and invisibility on kill is amazingly strong IMO. B tier at least
I think I was a tad too harsh on that one. Mayyybe I'd put it in the C tier, but at the end of the day I don't think sidearms are particularly fierce competitors in this meta
@@ShadowDestiny i use sidearms way more then i should and do amazing sidearms are underrated
You just earned a sub, you are the first creator to create a video that addresses both console and PC. Many of these other creators, as good as they are only focus on their gaming device, which makes the reviews way less accurate than it should be.
❤️❤️ tyvm
I kinda disagree on the controller placement of Dead Man's Tale. I've always been a treat it as a scout rifle first, hip-fire hand cannon extraordinar second.
It's very appealing to just yeehaw the thing all the time, but I think if you treat as a scout that's very easy to use it goes up a little.
Not S tier until the buffs possibly, but definitely higher in my opinion.
I love this video still, really on point rankings.
Thanks! I actually agree with you especially with the new buffs. I’d probably put it A- or A+
@@ShadowDestiny Oh, certainly! The buffs make me very happy on controller. I've been practicing with it in its current state. So I'm excited to see with its buff if I feel a notable difference. Until then though I'll hold my breath.
you’re prob my fav pvp youtuber so far other than cammy, your voice is really soothing to hear in things like tier lists and i genuienly agree with a lot of this list
thanks so much!
@@ShadowDestiny of course! if i ever play against you i will probably get destroyed cause you’re way smarter than me, but beware my aim😤(jk obvi lol)
!! this video is amazing, thank you so much ! it must have taken a lot of work, you have my utmost respect from this. I do really think symmetry and wavespliter are slept on tho, but in the right hands they can be amazing !! symmetry starts slow but it can easily wipe a team after a couple headshots. trace rifles in general are slept on, but if you pair them with a bow or a sidearn like peacebond they can be super good.
Thanks!
Love that he called the chaperone a sniper
I gotta call it what it is brother
This is the firsy video in which i have purposely watched all the ads. You deserve it bro
Really cool list! Personally Im a trace rifle simp so I think you went kinda hard on them, but I do totally understand that they are not at all optimal. If you get the chance, maybe give them some more time Coldheart is my personal favourite, and whilst not the best option, I'm sure that a trace rifle in your hands would make them look S+ tier!
Love me some wavesplitter action.
Wonderful effort Shadow and great list, surprised to see travellers chosen not higher on the list!
This is really unfortunate, that this video isnt getting the attention it deserves. This video was awesome. I hope you dont lose motivation, this is one of the best tier list out there
Much love
28:00 yes your pronunciation of Dornröschen was on point. Props to you for not falling for the trap of pronauncing sch as sh
Funny thing is, coldheart doesn't deal stasis damage not because it didn't in year one(well, that too) but because omolon wasn't given access to stasis in beyond light. Side note, electricity can be generated by cold
Edit:fixed a typo
Cold heart doesn’t deal stasis damage because it isn’t cold. It is so hot in fact, that omolon had to build a ‘cold heart’ into the weapon so that it doesn’t instantly overheat.
@@Dumpkimump oh yeah must've mixed it up lol. But yeah
This video was epic! Thank you for putting the time in to do this video. You are amazing!
No matter how much i dodge or hide behind cover or jump out of the way the jötunn’s spash damage finds a way to kill me
I love the dedication on each weapon, nice job!
You didn't mention Rat King's catalyst healing you when you reload after a kill, it's genuinely one of the best dueling weapons in the game because you essentially have the advantage in any gunfight you get into whether thats from the invisibility or the health regen.
that dunemarchers joke got me, good video man
Your "Dornröschen" is the most accurate of all the DestinyTubers who attempted to pronounce it.
Fun fact with hawkmoon: hand cannon holster mods and lucky pants can reload it without wasting paracausal shot, so you can have x7 paracausal shot in your first bullet, so in theory, you can abuse the extreme range paracausal x7 gives from bullet 9 to 2 and then stow the weapon for a bit until it's all the way up, and then if you need a quick kill you just do the ca-caw shot
Coldheart is called that not because the laser is cold, but because the core is cooled which allows for the beam
Yeah it's literally in the name. ColdHEART. As in the inside of the gun is cold, not the beam it fires. I'm not sure why so many people say "Coldheart should be stasis!" when it makes no sense AND would just be an unnecessary nerf to the gun.
@@pluto3194 cause its called cold heart and they released it b4 stasis kind of just bad planning. Make an arc gun and name it cold-heart even though we plan to bring stasis... duuurrrrr.... Should have just named it arcwave or some shit.
Thank you so much man. Your videos have single handedly saved from quitting this game. Thank you so much.
I love that you recognize that Auto Rifles are not up to par with their competition.
Any time I see a thread on Reddit or comment about improving the weapon type , there is almost always a dog pile of players that will tell you how awful it would be for the game and would ruin crucible if they get any more buffs.
Remember season of arrivals 600 rpms? That was a painful time in pvp
@@nathanflinchum1153 people forget every time, it's because Hand Cannons got nerfed and had a range of cap less than Auto Rifles. That paired with the damage buff to body and crit TTK for autos at the time.
Even then they were the top weapons used in the more competitive PvP modes.
Im glad this aged poorly, because i love ARs and they are in the meta for the first time in ages these last few seasons
@@jeremyjohnson9585 I think it was the best and most balanced in the seasons prior to The Final Shape release. 450s were hyper competitive and on par 100% with 140 Hand Cannons. And 360 rpm Autos with pre nerf Target lock were amazing but not broken.
Best time I had as an Auto Rifles user.
Autos are in an okay spot currently. Not bad, but not as good as Pulses and Hand Cannons.
Ego time: To me, this just further cements that I do indeed understand game balance better than most. I criticized Bungie on their forums during Destiny 1 about why Titans got shafted in melee fights because they had no melee lunge unlike Warlocks and Hunters, Bungie ends up finally fixing it. I complained that Titans had no ranged supers in D1 prior to The Taken King, boom fixed.
I am doing free quality control for these dudes.
As a D1 player hearing anyone say the Hardlight is copying anything hurts me...
To the Coldheart sounding like a gun that should do stasis damage thing, the only cold thing about it is the core of the weapon itself, that is used to fire the megabeam of electric death.
although i do think coldheart does need some sort of buff to compare to the other trace rifles
Yeah the gun gets way too hot that’s why it deals increasing damage and you can even see it in action cause the gun releases more steam the longer you deal damage
Doesn't need a buff at all, if anything Prometheus and Wavesplitter do. Coldheart is one the highest DPS'ing specials in the game and has been for a long while.
I imagine it's because it uses cold fusion which, contrary to popular belief, isn't actually cold.
Man, how is everyone missing this? Like it physically hurt when people ask CoLd HeArT ShOuLd DeAL StAsIS DmG, BuNgLe...
It’s complicated for Americans to pronounce it. Because it that and the different pronunciations of o and r…YES you spelled it right. :)
Tldr: Try to say Dorn (the r needs the most „attention“/pronunciation and the o the least amount). Röschen (most attention on the r, the s and the ch)
I'm not gonna lie and say Rat King is A tier or something but it definitely deserves better than E when you have the catalyst! The archetype has a good ttk, is forgiving since the body ttk is still pretty fast, and gives a nice health bump after kill
Yeah catalyst completly changes the gun's viability. It makes clutching an unfair fight so much easier
I noticed ur still commenting on this video shadow lmao, my friends always compare our aim to urs and it’s wild to think u play on controller. Ur always the destiny UA-camr we look to when it comes to tips and entertainment. Love the effort🫡
thanks
FINALLY SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT DUNEMARCHERS
I was really surprised of your pronaunciation of Dornröschen, it was great.
Greetings from Germany
I really love the Ace, almost more than Cayde seemed to. Seen it on S tier almost made me cry in joy.
I feel ya my friend.I keep a slightly diverse selection of Hand Cannons on me at all times.Aside from the Ace of ♤ just being Awesomely Devine based on performance alone.Then you factor in how GD cool it looks.Yeah it's appearance is mesmerizing to those with any sense of style at all,but for those looking down the business end.Id bet their experience isn't nearly as pleasant as ours..lol..
I know it's pretty late, but great job on this tier list. You the Goat ❤️
no u the goat
everyone says Ace hits like a truck, but has anyone actually done a side-by-side comparison between the flinch recieved while getting hit by a truck?
😂😳
Best Destiny UA-camr alive and W list
I love you
Putting Rat King in E tier feels like a cardinal sin. It's honestly an amazing sidearm
Actually your pronouncation of "Dornröschen" was pretty much spot on. Good work ;)
Haha POG
I haven’t played D2 in about 3 years. Yet I watched this and am redownloading it right now. No one has ever been able to make me redownload anything. These videos are too good. Stop it.
wow haha, that's really great to hear from my perspective as a creator. If I may ask, how/why did you start watching Destiny videos while not playing the game? Regardless, I hope you enjoy your return to the game and thanks for watching the vids!
Am I the only one who never knew about kinetics pointing to the left and energy to the right?
Dude so much work went into this video. Thanks ❤
100% disagree with Rat King placement- with good movement, the invisibility from the vermin perk can really make for a chaotic fight for your opponent. Also, the catalyst makes it heal on reloads after a kill, which is very powerful
mm fair enough, I respect it
Definitely, up close it really melts and still is good in mid close range. The perks are really good, especially with the catalyst and if you are with your mates and using this gun together it is really underrated. (Last time the map was anomaly me and the boys used all Ratkings for a really fun flawless, pissing off a lot of players)Though I have to say the range on rat king is not overall good, especially compared to some legendary sidearms, forcing you to play much closer with it. Even with that I would have at least rated this for D tier, and in B tier personally.
It also should be taken into account that sidearms are just way stickier on controller too.
Love the video! Just wanted to point out that in the special ammo tier list at the end you forgot arbalest. Thank you for making the entire tier list so I can see someone else's pov other than my own.
What was that explosive joke for Malfeasance? Lol
Also, I’m looking forward to (per this week’s TWAB) the 50% increase in Malf’s explosion damage; I love the thing in pve with Lucky Pants and if 180s ever rise above garbage tier in PVP…
lol yeah if 180s become good malfeasance will be insane
Bro That Cerberus analogy was absolutely insane how did you make it look social like the actual gun.
Lol I had a lot of fun making that
Your level of commitment and thoroughness got my subscribe and like
Hey, really appreciate it!
Once again you’ve helped me with a weapons build.
The amount of effort you put into this vid earned an automatic sub from me. Keep up the great work
Your hard work paid off. Excellent video bro!
thanks!
Divinity is really good if you know how to use it, its actually (personally) the best trace rifle in trials because you practically can shoot through walls. Leme explain. if ur playing a hand cannon/120 user, you can start off with the bubble, then when they go behind cover the hitbox is big enough that you still can shoot them for max dmg. Its even better with charged with light, and with the new arc 2.0 you can make every kill blind people surrounding them.
Riskrunner deserves to be higher. I've been able to wipe teams in Trials when the perk becomes active and it's a good 1v1 submachine gun in my opinion. Also the fact that you can activate the perk with your own grenade makes it fantastic
I agree the slaying potential is amazing, but it just makes me sad that it has about the same range as chaperone lmao
Quick piece of advice to maximise Sweet Business kills, prefire around corners. Got my first ever lighthouse thanks to a team of prefiring, Actium War Rig, Sweet Business Hammer titans.
Dude. Great video man. That's an epic amount of work right there, and I had a fun time watching it. Of course, I disagree with about 10 placements, but those are pretty great odds, eh?
haha yeah! I'd love to hear your thoughts on what you disagree with though, I'm always open to new perspectives :)
I disagree with the SUROS Regime ranking, it's just such a fun, easy and effective weapon to use, and auto rifles are hella more forgiving than HCs. (from the perspective of a controller player with poor aim.) Still a great tier list, legend.
Years of playing destiny had no idea that guns pointing left is kinetic and pointing right is energy mindblown
Jeez this list is huge! I’m glad to see no time to explain at S-tier tho.
Thumbs up for simply the info about barrels pointing denoting kinetic or energy slots.
:)
@@ShadowDestiny Damn man, awesome you liked my comment on a video you made 2 months ago.
Gotta say, Cerberus+1 may not be good, but I love using it
it is a true dakka gun
I agree! lol
Thank you for this awesome video! 🙌 I’m still quite new to Destiny and I’ve found my calling with Crimson Hand Canon in pvp thanks to this
Glad it was helpful!
As a bow main, I have just a little bit of input:
Wishender should probably be B tier, especially if paired with a quickdraw hand cannon. I love being able to delete people before they even know where I am, and proper aggressive wishender play is ridiculously strong because no one knows how to counter it.
also I think I'd bump leviathan's up to E or D tier. the draw time hurts, but having a oneshot bodyshot hitscan weapon is rare. I use it often when I've got my biting winds/wolftone draw builds on, and its high aim assist and easy oneshot tendency can demolish people. Also, there's nothing in this game more satisfying than onetapping a super with levi.
Still, loved the tier list. nicely done!
Love the "chaperone is an exotic sniper rifle"
This list is just what I was hoping for - Thank you for your effort!
Thanks so much!
Shadow I love your videos and this tier list is fantastic.
That said Rat King was definitely robbed. It's a 0.07s slower TTK than Last Word, you can ADS with it or not without penalty, you only need to hit one headshot for a 0.8s TTK, it gives you invisibility and health on a kill, it has a perfect 100 recoil direction and thus very manageable recoil, unlike TLW it has great in-air accuracy, it has 15 in the mag and a faster reload than TLW so you're much less ammo-starved, and it has cool little rat eyes that glow when a friend has it equipped. All that for having a couple of metres less range, 16 vs 20. Sure it could use a buff but it's definitely not E tier when paired with a good sniper, similar to Last Word.
I'm happy to see another upload man, keep it up
1 - Agree with pretty much everything here, and regardless, love to see the opinions of players much better than me at the game - very interesting to see/hear.
2 - Thank you, SO MUCH, for not calling Vex broken. That thing is not overpowered, and it will be in a good spot after the nerf. Just wish that other non-720 auto rifles (particularly legendaries) were reasonably competitive in endgame pvp too. (600rpms are SOOO CLOSE but not quite. Shayura's Wrath is what 600rpm auto rifles should be ; 600rpm SMGs need a bit reworked imo)
edit: Also, personal take, B tier and higher are in a pretty good spot - maybe some LIGHT nerfs to S tier, but i dont think it's necessary - and C tier and lower need some form of buff, rather it be to the archetype they're from or the exotic itself. (C tier needs the least buffs out of all of the tiers below B, obviously, and more the lower down the tiers you go.)
edit2: If you think Vex is broken, you're a bad player, OR don't know the weapon's counterplay. One look at my K:D makes you realize you don't need that much skill to be able to outplay it with some decent meta weapons, as I can consistently outplay and outduel Vex players more than I can your average DMT or Ace player, because I understand auto rifles better than any other gun archetype.
This isn't meant as an insult; it's meant to tell you to look at yourself, your play, and the Vex itself, and figure out WHY you are dying to it, and how to COUNTER that, how to PREVENT that, and improve your play so you can make every Vex player (most of the time) nothing but a pushover. The gun isn't broken, you just need to learn how to fight it, and if you refuse to do that, that's YOUR fault, and the gun doesn't need nerfed because of it. The nerf it's getting should make it less oppressive in 6s, and not a crutch, so it'll fix the parts that are actually a problem with the gun.
Also, lowering the RPM or base damage would ruin the gun's viability. Those changes should not be made just because people refuse to learn, and are annoyed.
Please learn, instead of complaining. Auto rifles don't deserve to be relegated to "mediocre at best" unless they have no range just because you're salty. How would you feel if 140rpm hand cannons got that treatment?
Your videos are helping me tons keep up the good work
God damn man, that was a lot of work! Loved it! Congratulations!
Thank you so much!
@@ShadowDestiny no man, thank you for sharing your knowledge and helping others!
I’m not saying Divinity is the best, but if you have a well organized team it can be a monster in something like Competitive. If one of your teammates has a Messenger with Desperado, you can basically get free headshot kills and start shredding people.
I mean that's true, but IMO it's never going to be worth sacrificing an entire teammate just to make another player marginally better.
Glad to see riskrunner made a spot, it’s the first exotic weapon every new D2 player gets
Your a good UA-camr with quality videos keep up the great work
bungie should make a mode where we can use multiple exotics
that could be even more crazy than momentum/mayhem! Lol
I don’t like a lot of UA-cam videos…but this deserved one
really appreciate it!
I love your vid but I also have to say that due to the 3.0 versions that are out now that when arc 3.0 comes out you may want to make another ranking vid. Given that the devs and mods are finally going the "pick what feels right to you" route and giving blessings to many different weapon types and rpm due to trying to creat a diverse weapon pool instead of a meta weapon pool. Love your vids and I watched the stages of guardians when it came out and decided to sub to you. Your voice definitely keeps me focused and videos entertaining. Keep up the good work!
My favourite is Ace of Spades thanks for making this vid
I like where you put vex honestly, A- isn't bad and I recently used it in pvp, non trials, and ran a 1.47. I'm not good at PvP but that gun does raise your skills if you like using assault rifles
I just started to watch the video but already thanks for the effort. This is a bunch of work you did there!!!
thanks!
Greatest destiny youtuber of the last 5 years
Bro 😳
Fantastic video. Might bump Witherhoard up one spot
God damn 50 minutes video of Shadow? This is a great day.
Kinda late to the party, but im German and you actually spelled the Dornröschen perk right haha. Great video after all, thanks for all of the content :)
Thank you
I heavily agree with the ranking for the duality shotgun
Thanks for this. Appreciate all the time and information.
Thanks for watching!!!
Fantastic work and great video!
Thanks! ❤️❤️
Leviathans Breath might have crappy handling but it's got the advantage of basically infinite range and one shot body shotting people. Think it belongs more in the C tier for pvp, especially comparing it to things like legend of accrius
Doesn't it overpenetrate too? Or at least it feels like it should.
@@bigfsi_smite777 it doesn't unfortunately. It does have the large aoe blast though when it's a full draw though.
This is insanely awesome thank you! 🤩
Immediate sub, this guide is amazing
Really glad I got the ace of spades as my first exotic in the exotic kiosk
Awesome list man. Even though I know 95% of the stuff in the video, I felt like you did a fantastic job organizing the information and presenting it. Keep up the fantastic work
thanks so much! :)