NEW! CZ Bren 2Ms Carbine! It's here!
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The wait for the CZ USA Bren 2Ms rifle is finally over. The carbine version of the popular pistol is finally shipping to dealers. We got our mitts on one, thanks to our friends at BigDaddyUnlimited, and we break it down for you.
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I really really hate the redesign of the YT comments function for the mobile app. The redesign of the rifle on the other hand is Kickass.
I keep hitting the X thinking it will bring me out of one comment.
@@sik59rt feckin 'ell, me too!
I hate the new comment system too! It's a pain in the ass! 😠
God is good!!!!!!!!!
Agreed
It didn't break while out with Tim so it's good to go.
@chris todd well duh, its not a SIG..
Or a national recall is about to be issued. Lol.
Well ...he is a Marine lol
😂
Biggest reason I love Tims channel. I also have horrible luck with firearms, so if he doesn't break it, I have hope.
Garand Thumb: "Big Daddy Unlimited is like the Costco of the gun world."
MAC: "Big Daddy Unlimited is like the Sam's Club of the gun world."
*Civil War*
chad haire yea they have a club membership fee... thats why its like costo or sams club. and lots of companies pay for advertising.... do you have an actual complaint? or can you just not afford a membership?
@@halfieindatray7825 paying to look at out of stock items is gay.
@@errikduvall4690 this is a fact... i can’t even argue about that.
@@errikduvall4690 that part is true. but when stuff is in stock, they do have good deals. I got an EOTech VUDU 1-6x and a mount from them for about $300 less than midway wanted for the same set up. once we are over the shortages, BDU will likely get their stock up and be a better deal again.
Also got a nice Surefire flashlight and some AK parts for a decent price using BDU
interesting offering for sure
Mrgunsngear Channel It’s your turn to get one and review it. And I’ll be waiting... 😁
Mrgunsngear, accuracy test?
I wanted one of these for a few years, held off on getting a rifle for a while, but they never seemed to get through import laws. Finally caved and bought a Daniel Defense DDM4V7, which I'm happy with. THEN CZ finally was able to imports these! Ugh! Stupid 922r...
Damn... Been waiting for months to a year and it is finally here. Need to go to my fll now
Bought a DDM4V7 four months ago. Put Eotech (green) stuff on top! CMC drop-in flat trigger.
@@joetexas1546 Nice! The first time I took it shooting I only had the LWRC iron sights that I could NOT get zeroed in to save my life. I finally got them to about 100 yards, but the post was bottomed all the way down as low as it could go.
I know it's not the gun though, haha. Everything else accessory wise is in now so ready to hit the range again soon!
I have the pistol and I’m very happy with it, I’ll probably but the rifle as well now
@Lyset funny you mention that! I bought the LWRCI irons ($199) also but have never used them. I have heard about the front post issue before.
Guess I need to check them out. Oh but that green halo Eotech with Magnifier-awesome!
I find in most cases with a crush washer, as opposed to cutting it off, using a pair of vice grips and a drop of oil I can just turn them off the threads. I’ve done this over a dozen times and have never hurt threads.
It must be the toughest rifle in the universe its ''TIMPROOF'' nothing broke and its still in great shape.
Marines have a talent for breaking things. 😁
@@blckandwhtknight well they say that if you leave a marine in the middle of desert with an anvil the next day you will find only half of it....
God is good!!!!!!!!!
@@socratessocratous3864 or the anvil will be pregnant
@@anthonyscrimo yep that's possible...
I'll be interested to see how it stacks up accuracy wise to the virtus.
Id like to see it and that vs scar 16 also
@Michael Srite yeah i got a few offers to trade i guess i found out mine has some different features but the 805 is so glass smooth i couldnt trade
@Michael Srite do you have a virtus by chance ?
@@Apolloneek scar 16 is a dead platform like the acr.
@@oso1165 I've been saying this same thing. Glad others are seeing it too. Overated and over hyped platform
Any gun that survives Tim shooting it, must be built pretty well. That being said, Nice gun and great video.
why do you say that? Does he fire 1000 rds without hangups before he does a review on a gun?????
@@DM-wg2bx TTiger 8626 said that because Tim was a marine, and as everyone knows marines break everything.
So position 3 is the British civilian setting. That's what I'll call it.
Finally. I can get a Czech scar without breaking the bank.
Too bad my bank needs to grow some more
Lol same thoughts
Right!? I love the SCAR, but I feel like they are WAY overpriced! 😫
Silent But Dudley the bren gen 1 was around this price, i got mine couple years back for 1799
diamondheat9 just save your pennies, I love my Bren 2ms pistol. I love my BCMs but as a lefty this is way more comfortable and easy to operate
Tim you made me a happy man with this video! Definitely my next purchase! Ive been waiting for CZUSA to make some American parts for the rifle format!
Awesome meeting you at the gundies in January, thanks for the patch! I display it proudly on my patch board right up top!
I just recently joined the MAC club! Happy to be here! Always been a supporter of you and what you stand for. Honest reviews and a hell of an American! Keep up the great work, brother!
OMG, they actually had some in stock as well! Can't wait until I get mine.
Great looking weapon. The smooth operation and low recoil impulse look amazing!
In my head every time I see a Bren 2 Rifle: "Ooooh Dream Weaver..."
Love my P10C & my Scorpion & can’t wait to get my hands on one of these. Hopefully we get the Bren 2 BR in .308 in the near future too, I’ve been holding off on buying a .308 for that particular firearm.
Thanks for the Great Reviews!! Cz Bren 2 S 11" 5.56 Pistol with a Cz P-10 SC Optics ready is the BEST weapons 1, 2 combo available ! I have no use for the Bren 2 Carbine. I think a Bren 2 14" Pistol with a pin and welded DeadAir Flash hider would better serve.
Agreed. I have thousands of rounds through my Bren 2 Pistol and my P-10 optics ready and not 1 malfunction with any ammo or magazine. Amazing guns!
@@platinummarketingservices8448 Same here. Love CZ
If they release a 308 model in the USA I'll hold off on building an ar10...
mrsquishyboots They have! But only for LEO....
@@ToastbackWhale Oooof!
@@ToastbackWhale for real?! thought it's not even out yet
Steven it’s out! And we’re all dying to get it
@@StevenL00 They presented it on this years shot show and will be available end of 2020.
Czech soldiers complained about BREN 1 all the time so they let them hop in and pof! you have BREN 2 :) definitely a good step forward for the manufacturer :)
This is a review many of us have been really looking forward to and as per usual Tim doesn't disappoint. One concern though is the gas settings, logic would seem to dictate that position 2 should be position 1 due to the smaller orifice. I plan on buying one.
+Military Arms Channel Tim My carbine version is the same way on the gas system. I reached out to CZ and I was told the warranty department would be reaching out to me.
I bought the SCAR17 in 2012 after watching one of your reviews. It’s a good design to emulate...and you make me want this one too!
RADIOACTIVEBUNY Mine is stock except a Geissele trigger and an ACOG. Mine has functioned perfectly over 3,000 rounds, but as a recreational shooter...nothing hard use.
I can hear the Cz designers sitting around talking, "so, should we go with a heavy barrel so fat americans can take our rifle to a class?". "What about the military application? Are we not designing this rifle for military service?" "Na...we are completely focusing on the US civilian market". I'm sure that is exactly why the chose that barrel thickness.
Drill out the 3rd position on the gas adjuster with a smaller hole for a suppressor? Maybe with some tuning that could be a nice feature?
"Drill out the 3rd position..."
MFW my heart stops for a moment
ATF guys already jumped up after reading the first four words
@@johns3924 ok... but if its still over-gassed, could you not drill an even smaller hole? I'd rather have a balanced system than the ability to turn off the gas system
I just hope that thicker barrel is Czech made and chrome lined. Hopefully it's not like HK's MR series where you are getting a US produced barrel. The handguard is for sure an HBI product to comply with the import requirements.
I think it was more for to try and attract ar buyers because cz usa makes these rifles in the USA to get around import laws
Please make another video when you're able to get a suppressor on it. You've got me (and likely everyone else) curious about those gas settings!
Finally. I think you have the first review of the rifle on UA-cam.
26:02 - Literally, when you mentioned that it’s $2,000, I thought to myself, “...it better be as good as the MCX (Virtus)...” 👍🏾😁
Michael Srite - it means that when Tim said the gun is $2,000, my brain went, “...it better be as good as the MCX...”. And a second later Tim said almost the same thing. And then I thought that was funny, and so I wrote it here. Because it happened... Literally.
Position 2 is definitely less gas, you can tell just by the ejection pattern. I'd run a can in position 2 and not worry about it.
This is a cool rifle, but CZ made some funky decisions.
Great looking gun. Looks sturdy as hell and I've had such amazing luck with the quality of CZ guns I may buy one of these bad boys
Thanks for the whole orientation of this pretty rifle... Love CZ's
I'm hoping CZ will introduce a 7.62x51mm/.308 version. 🤤
Sweet position 3 is for suppressed single shot to further dampen sound as gas exits ejection port under normal cycling.
I had a crush washer get stuck on my ar15 the same exact way. You don't have to cut it off, what you can do is turn it at an angle and then get a pipe wrench and turn it down the threads. The Crush Washer is a softer metal than the barrel so it will not damage the threads. I've done it on my ar15 and it did not harm the threads whatsoever. You just need to be careful not to over tighten the pipe wrench. Just give it enough pressure to turn the Crush Washer along the threads and it should work just fine.
This is the next rifle I’m going to buy.
I for one prefer the heavier barrel over the pencil barrel.
Well I for one prefer the pencil barrel over the heavy barrel. Seems we've found our selves in a conundrum y'ole chap.
@@biggboysouth i would prefer the pencil barrel but I honestly would also prefer the muzzle brake the rifle has over the pistol's flash hider.
Wow what an incredible rifle! Amazing design, simple and effective action, no tools needed. I'm sold I'm getting one (probably the pistol version though). Perfect review Tim :)
Have one of each caliber in the “pistol” version. Waiting to get the folding stock to SBY the 7.62. Very nicely made.
"pistol". Hehehe... God I love this country.
The shut off position seems like a good place to drill a smaller diameter hole for suppressor setting. Because who needs a gas shut off?
For use of a suppressor in its most effective format, no gas...
John S I’m not talking about setting 2 I’m talking about the 3rd position it has no port hole and is a gas shut off which doesn’t have much of a practical civilian use unless maybe your a contract hit man lol. I’m saying drill a smaller hole in that position for a less gas suppressed setting.
John S because from the video the suppressed setting obviously is still way overgassed when you can run in the suppressed setting with the gas cut back and no suppressor on and it still is cycling with no issues. That means when you put a can on it will probably be way over gassed. A smaller port size would give you the ability to shoot it with a suppressor on and have a softer shooting less violent action. Then if it was really dirty you could switch to the regular suppressor setting 2.
Cant' wait to see your opinions on the Bren 2 vs the Virtus!
Virtus wins easily just based on materials used.
Bren 2 for the win!
Im betting on the virtus
Bren 2 imo is superior to the virtus.
The Virtus is the best thing SIG has done in along time, but the fact that it’s not completely ambi even at that price point baffles me. That’s one of the main reasons I lean towards my MS pistol especially as a left handed shooter, (I shoot both but I’m left eye dominant) that’s my main gripe with it. Other than that I still choose my Bren
Shout to Big Daddy, great selection. Love the Sams Club comparison. Thanks for another great review.
I have an 805 and I love that firearm! Very buttery smooth action with low recoil.
The 805 has way better aesthetics, the updated Bren 2 has a more mundane look
Great review, lots of good info with the side by side comparisons and the disassembly showing the internal parts.
If I did not already own a SCAR 16S I would be very tempted to get one of these. But my SCAR 16S and 17S are one of my "I will not trade or sell for anything" guns.
Thystaff Thywill actually Scars hold their resale value pretty well. If I was to sell my 16 in the market right now, I would make a $600 profit. ARs don’t hold their value nearly as well
Thystaff Thywill go watch Mr.guns and gears interview with Battle Field Vegas about full auto round counts. The Scar is the most reliable weapon in their inventory. They have one with over 200,000 rounds and it’s still up and running. An AR could never achieve that round count. When they held the military trials to replace the M4, the M4 had twice as many malfunctions than a Scar. So yes the scar does things better than an AR. To say an AR is just as good is disingenuous at best. The only reason is wasn’t adopted was because of cost (the contract always goes to the lowest bidder-see Sig P320 adoption.
Picked up my Belgian SCAR 17s for 2800.00. They have gone up in price (Around 3500 now). With optic, stock, trigger, and few other extras, I have over 5k in it now. Wouldn't part with it. I also have a CZ Bren 805 S1 I picked up for 1300.00. The only issue I have is the orifice around the gas block has some wear. Might get the Bren 2 in 7.62 x 39. Just wish they wouldn't have gone with proprietary mags in that caliber. Same with the Scar 17s and the FAL mags.
Eugene Stoner shut up poor just because you can’t afford nice things in life. Stick to your bubba build ARs peasant.
Charles Lowrey Same here, I would never part with my Scars. Most reliable guns I’ve had hands down. I just love the argument that Scar haters make saying their Frankenstein ARs are “JuSt aS GUuD”. 90 percent of the people who hate on Scars have not even shot one, or are just mad they’re too poor to afford one.
Just picked one up. It is very refined and worth the discount SCAR price. Outstanding shooting flat no recoil.
I think about buying one but i have heard that they get hot really fast what is your experience with it
Great looking option!
Love the sound of the gong hits, and thanks brother!!
Use an OSS can and don't worry about the back pressure. I use the HX-QD556 on my 806MS2 8.25 pistol in 5.56 without any issues
Cosmetically I think the 805 looks a lot better than the 2. I know cosmetics are not what matters but the looks just got cheaper to me. I'll stick with my 805, but may be tempted by the 2 if and when the .308 comes out.
I agree 100% cosmetically the 805 looks like a military rifle and i like the lines of it. The bren 2, looks wierd to me with that long barrel out the front. The 11" is ok with the hb handguard but otherwise yeah definitly like the 805 looks better.
I love my bren 2s, currently my favorite rifle/pistol. I plan on getting a carbine at some point but man I really would have preferred a lighter weight barrel vs the heavy they decided to go with. I'm sure they could have knocked off a pound from the weight if they did which I would value more. Bren2s are surprisingly light weight and very comparable to standard AR15 weights
if its lighweight what would a lighter barrel do give you a over heated innacurate barrel during rapid fire?
Yes it would be less accurate as it heats up.
@@sadnessinside123 Id highly recommend you look up faxon barrel tests. Modern manufacturing has vastly improved heat dispersion issues to where on something like a general purpose combat rifle the slight increase in group size after you mag dump a couple magazines is negligible.
just put mine away. Our FFL here is the Law Enforcement Dealer with CZ and he has the only one here. Once he called me I had him put it away for me. This thing is nice and I am excited to put many many round through it.
Love me some CZ's !!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for showing the CZ BERN 2Ms carbine , Tim. I just wish that i had the budget to get one.
Pretty nifty looking carbine. That one actually looks like one I might be interested in picking up except for one little $2,000.00 issue. Oh well, can't win em all.
well, it costs the same up here in the Czech Rep.... :-/ I guess the price will drop over time though...
It's a CZ. Street price will probably settle a good bit below that, and the aftermarket will probably be pretty damn good too.
Time to sell a kidney
@@wishuhadmyname Sell your neighbors kid, not a kidney. You may need that kidney down the line.
@@aaronorr5586 plus you will finally have silence from that side of the fence :D
Yet another ruthless attack on my bank account. Thanks CZ 👍
Ah yeah! More CZ goodness.
Why is everyone calling the CZ Bren a SCAR copy or Czech SCAR? I thought the design was based on the HK G36. I think I read something like both the SCAR and the Bren are heavily influenced by the G36.
Great review. I sure wish they would offer a semi-auto military configuration. The military version looks so much better!
I think the barrel is thicker for the 7.62 version so to save money. Instead having 2 different gas blocks one for 7.62 and one for a thinner barrel 5.56.
Wow! She bump fires perfectly! 😀
Answer, yes
Nice Tim... if you put the B2 barrel on the 805 I think you'd have a winner...
FN took note with the NRCH (Non-Reciprocating Charging Handle) SCAR now
I really like that and might get one. I better pay attention how to reassemble it, 19:35 "hey is that a butterfly on the rest bag? I think it's one of be those red and black ones. Hey wait, the wind blew it, I think it's a tag. Hmm, I better keep paying attention to it to double check that it's for sure a tag. What was I paying attention to now?"
Wish I could get the pistol with that thicker barrel. Oh well, I'll just get the rifle. Looks perfect.
Will they be bringing out a rifle version in 7.62x39? Would be a sweet AK alternative
If they do I'll buy one
That's what I'm waiting on
Want BR...However I must say i have the MS pistol in 7.62x39mm and I am SERIOUSLY impressed! Light, handy and FUN firearm, indeed!
Sexy rifle. I was able to shoot one a few days ago at a local range and was very impressed with it. It was lighter than the particular AR I had with me that day and the recoil impulse is so smooth.
I would like to see how the CZ 2Ms compares to the Robinson Arms XCR-L.
They should've made it as close to the military version.
A nearly 30 minute long video about CZ... Please and thank you
How does it stack up to the Vertis AND ~$2k AR15s? I think this is always a fair question to ask in these price ranges.
Vertis?? Do you mean virtus
By all accounts it looks like CZ knocked another one out of the park
From my Home Metroplex (specifically KC, KS), we give you the CZ Bren 2M Carbine/Rifle. 😁
Idk man...i love my 7.62x39 pistol. Damn you CZ
That's some high 'czechnology' there!
I love the look of the the original hand guard way better than the new angled design
The reason the gas whole is bigger on standard gas cycle is than on the pistol. That reason is, that the gas piston is longer and has more weight so they have to offset that to make it reliable under any condition.
Well at least that my theory.
Glad to see a heavier barrel on rifles again. Everything has become a pencil barrel for super ninjas who don’t lift lol
Looks like an ACR to a degree. Looks awesome and I heard the Bren just works and works well.
Beauty is defiantly subjective, I think it looks really nice with the barrel, handguard, and break. Something I don't like though it for roughly $2,000.00 you don't have any factory sights. I know most people are going to use optics, but IWI puts at least some cheap flip sights that are integrated into the rail, I don't know why more manufactures don't do this as well. The gun already is kind of pricey, but then the added expense of an optic or some cheap irons I don't know why more people don't copy the Tavor/IWI in that aspect.
Hi, Tim, I hear you've had range time with an American Defense 6.5 Grendel out to 1000 yds.
Could we ADM buyers get a couple reviews and maybe a Gauntlet test?
Thanks,
Joe
Just ordered one ... thanks for the vid Mac!!!
Think I like the look of the pistol better.
My biggest complaint with my 805 was the weight. It was a heavy gun. Is the 2 any better?
Tim, Can you elaborate on what exactly has caused your “spotty” relationship with the ACOG? Just curious as it sounded like you’ve had zeroing issues? Possible the prism not settling. Anyways, I look forward to your response.
The features on this weapon fixes everything wrong with the M4 and the SCAR
Says someone who doesn’t even own a SCAR lmao
@@novajam1769 Ive used them.
I have wanted one of these for so long. But with the price it's hard to justify it over the virtus. The best version of the bren isnt even available in the united states either. The 308 DMR version of the bren is dream gun status. But we dont get it. Honestly with the rattler/MCX patrol and virtus. It's hard to choose the bren over those. But I really do love the bren. Cant deny it
Tim, any idea if the stock from the new rifle will mount on an 805?
Thanks for sharing! Can’t wait to get one in the same caliber..
The bren 2ms has one of the best OEM triggers
Agreed
The hand guard looks out of place but at least its aluminum. Throw a grip and light on it and call it a day. Not a fan of the spring on the op rod, those tend to break over time, I prefer the SCAR 16 simplicity in the short op rod design.
It's OK to meant that cz bren ms way better then scar i have both scar 16,17 but this cz bren way better the outdated scar.
@@caneloweight175weightdrain5 I agree the Bren is better overall, just noting I like the simpler op rod design on the SCAR's. I sold my SCAR's but had a 16 and 2 17's, I briefly had the 805 but didn't much care for it. I was looking forward to this rifle being released. Years ago I had an LWRC with the spring cup piston, let me just say, no thanks. This one might be fine and last out, time will tell. Even on the new SIG Virtus the op rods are short and simple, no springs. I like that design.
canelo weight 175 Weight drain I’d have to disagree. I’d never get anything but a scar.
@@lunaticrider209 yeah just be careful were you place your hands on the scar lol you might lose your finger
canelo weight 175 Weight drain I put the charging handle on the right side and I never have to worry about the fingers lol
just wish they would make the forgrip same as the br used by the military.
Can't wait to buy this!!!
Those rifles are super quiet!!
While we're talking about Slavic rifles has anyone heard anything about the FB MSBS?
The MSBS GROT looks like a great rifle. Last I read they had intended to open a distributor in the US but the deal fell through. No idea if we'll see them state side or not.
@@danielc4891 cheers, I'm actually planning on a trip (possibly moving) to the Czech Republic. If I find any intel on it I'll give an update
Overall the gas system on the ms2 is superior to the 805. The off position could be used for a precision shot regardless of being suppressed. No gas, bolt won't move. Bolt gun. Just sayin.
Some are considering methods to have the ms2 regulator properly drilled to match their suppressor or for minimum gas, etc. The internet jury is still out on this.
Ergos on the ms2 are exceptional compared to the 805, but the simplicity of the 805 is something often overlooked.
The 805 trigger is increadible for an OEM item. The ms2 isn't too far behind and upgrades are already available.
Great Channel !!!
Nice job on the million subs team MAC👍
Personally, I'd prefer the firing pin to be a shade thicker for strenght. But that's just a minor thing. Overall It seems like a superior weapon to most out there. Though, I've yet to handele and fire one.