Ditching 5.56 - Why it no longer makes sense for me.
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The 5.56 is a fine cartridge for those roles which it is well suited, it's just that it falls short on some of the things I require of the 5.56 in terms of performance. So why have I moved on and what have I moved on to?
#556 #sucks #rifle - Розваги
Alright let me have your ammo
Yep I’ll take some too.😂
Thirds here
My ammo cans are saying hello 👋
Molon labe?
Lol
"How I rationalized buying a .308 spear to add to my amazing collection", by Tim.
The Ruger SFAR has been good for me so far
And you Sfar is just as good as the Sig Spear and half the cost. I like Mac but most folks can’t afford an Sig Spear. I take the Sfar all day
@@frankcastle4435 Half? It's like 1/6th the cost.
Sig is ridiculous. Big time QC issues, but hey, at least you pay a crazy premium for it.
😂😂
That shit would make them trynto take weapons away again
I never understood this just one gun argument. It’s like telling a mechanic he must choose only 1 wrench.
Nice counter argument.
A wrench cost $5
Yeah, its just another tool. There is no "VS" just different tools with strength's and weaknesses. Knowing the what, when, where, and why for tool choice is the key, like most jobs needing tools for that matter.. The vid makes strong points for the improper decisions concerning the main purpose of 5.56
they're expensive? lol. and someone trained well on one gun will be better, regardless of gun, on the average person with multiple. ultimately it comes down to a hobby and what are preferences
@@10essee10titans Mastering one tool is far easier, for acquiring mastery of said tool, but one thing life has reinforced to me many times over is, having one damn tool never gets ALL of the jobs done in life, regardless of mastery.
5.56, 300 AAC, and .308. My holy trinity for reloading and stock piling. 5.56 brass feeds the AAC (I convert it) and I get most for free at the local range. The 110 -150 grain .308 bullets feed both the 300AAC and .308. Same 30 caliber cans for all 3.
BIG SMART!
Daaaang didn’t think of that!! I have 308 in bolt action , 300 BO in AR and 556 in mini 14. Have stocked up on all but 308. I don’t reload though but good idea .
Noice
The 300 BO is a .308 round with just a little less powder. What I like about the .308 round in a bolt action or an AR is the huge variety of bullets weights. From 120 grain to 220 grain. + or -.
@@Censoredagain7881 The 300 does not have "just a little less powder" than the .308. The 300 has less than half the powder capacity. BIG difference there.
I wish I was financially rich enough where I can even consider paying for something more expensive than 9mm or 223/556.
AMEN my thoughts also
Im thinking of a bolt 308 24" barrel but that would be a real wrench in my logistics atm
Exactly.
7.62x39: 😭
Yeah this was literally just a bragging video
Yeah but for 99% of us the 5.56 is the most economical and practical general purpose cartridge. Just buy a bolt action .308 for taking deer and keep the light weight, universal standard AR15 handy for SHTF.
Hard to argue with this
@@freethinkingamerican80 true xD
Why a bolt .308 when you could get a pa10 for not much and have a semi auto .308.
@@steelwall99 Accuracy. My CZ 550 American is much more accurate than any semi-auto at 400-800 yards. With the scope that I have and the set trigger, I can achieve sub-MOA at those distances that are just not possible in a semi-auto platform without spending a ton of money.
@@steelwall99 I'm with you on the semiautomatic .308 over a bolt gun. The PA-10 is an awesome low cost option but they are pretty heavy compared to most hunting oriented bolt guns. The Ruger SFAR, if it holds up well over the next few years, may end up filling that battle rifle sized hole in my safe.
I agree. If you are forced to move out to a rural property for safety during civil unrest a 7.62 makes sense for bringing in some food and defence. I like that you said avoiding a gunfight is better than an all out firefight.
Gunfights are a "group sport". When you are on your own a bigger caliber is way more practical.
a friend of mine lived in rural Tennessee, and he pointed out that the fenceposts along hi driveway made good range points...I recollect that he figured that suggesting that someone "stay away" was preferable to CQB... I believe that he found 7.62 NATO was quite convincing, and. 22LR was quiet enough to not attract attention, but enough for small game and birds.... one gun? nope.
@@lohikarhu734 In Canada no suppressed rifles/handguns, but a subsonic round yup! I haven't jumped on the 300 BO bandwagon yet, but the 8.6 BLK looks VERY interesting.
@@rosomak8244plus you shouldn’t be venturing towards areas where you think extended fighting might happen
After many gunfights in Iraq, I will stick with my 5.56. Never had a problem in windy days in war or a range. And now with interchangeable uppers, I have a tool box.
been there myself and I totally agree
Probably because you used 77 grain with a 1:7 barrel standard military issue. Much more stable
@@justinbang6025 Yep, a quality heavier grain longer bullet (like 77 grain) with the proper twist rate should give acceptable results.
@@justinbang6025 nope...5 deployments. 62gr green tip, 1:7, 16in barrel. Quit overthinking it.
I use the M855 green tip with a 20” barrel for hunting wild hogs, absolutely devastating round, so far all one shot kills on multiple hogs.
Like others have said, it isn't like I'm attached to 5.56 but for the cost, it's great. I'm not about to buy 1000 rounds of anything else.
It's slowly getting to the point that buying 300 by the case isn't absurdly expensive. The problem is you'll be getting supersonic rounds for those prices ($0.45-0.50 per). Subsonics are still twice the price of the cheapest 5.56/223.
The cost and performance ratio, it’s great for me; the tests that they’ve done on it are very impressive!
7.62x39 is not that expensive.
@@Fadaar.300blk? Disgusting.
@@FadaarThe problem with the "bulk" 300BO is that it's the 308 150g pills in them. The 150g bullet is crap for 300BO. You want the 110~124g for supers and 220g for subs...
Secondly; subsonic 300BO out of a 16" bbl goes supersonic, and supersonic 300BO out of a 9" bbl has crap ballistics.
Back in the mid 80's, I invested so heavily in the .308 and 5.56, that now, it would be financially crazy to me to switch to anything else! And to be honest, both calibers have served me well. Great video, brother!
A family member did that with .308 in the 80's and 90's. With today's prices, he could possibly retire a millionaire selling it 😂
I can't go anything else bc that's what I got 5.56, it's good all around and hasn't failed me, I get the quiet part with .300 sub but after that I can't justify switching from 5.56
@@solidrockofjesuschristmini2423throw a $200 300blk upper in your arsenal… prob solved
@@JT15C and a reloading press
@@JT15C prefer a 300 hamr.
The Wal-Mart here no longer sells 223-5.56 and has not done so for 2-3 years. Randleman, NC
Same here in SC ....none of the "scary" calibers
They still sell 7.62x51 here (Houston)
Wally World sucks azz. They do not want to have anything to do with the back, scary gun. They even got rid of 9mm ammo.
I love your home setup with the range right out the back window. It looks like heaven to me.
With the fudd rules posted on the wall lol
And it’s only $8000, double stamped (+$400) and sold in VERY limited numbers… Great recommendation!
Hide the money y’all, there’s poor people around
You must be new here. This is youtube, where everybody has endless arsenals and ammo. There’s also the Ruger SFAR which works great for a 308 rifle at 1/8 the cost.
He’s full of shit. And trying to pump sales for his shop. That’s it.
Then choose a different rifle. This isn't a rifle recommendation, it's an opinion piece.
Hahaha. My thoughts exactly
I think it's a good thing to have an assortment of guns for different purposes that shoot different calibers. If for some reason we end up in an apocalyptic type setting, you're going to want a gun that shoots 556 and 9mm for self-defense because it's going to be easiest to find stockpiles of that ammo, so these are still going to be the primary go to guns for a long long time.
Indeed!! I’m not crazy about 556 either but have it in one rifle with well under 1000 rnds stock. Plus the 9mm I have in many pistols in over 1000 rnds. Plus 30 carbine similar and 300 BO similar and then 308 with hardly only a few rnds. But overall I think those are all common calibers that may be possible to obtain it trade
Nato rounds in general if located in western nations. NATO rounds consists of 5.56 NATO/223 Remington, 7.62x51 NATO/308 Winchester, 9x19 NATO/9mm Luger.
If your located in the United States 45ACP is also very common.
@@bigtechnazis3554 45acp was common in the 80's. I see more 10mm than 45acp, and 20+ years ago it was 40 s&w.
What I learned during the most recent shortages - is that the NATO calibers are gone first, and could be the last to come back. They have to fill govt contracts before they fill store shelves I guess. Also everybody with a swingin trigger finger is hunting it down to hoard.
You know what I did see is random weird stuff you might find your grandpas hunting rifle chambered in. You could find 7mm08 or 243 a lot easier than 5.56 or 308. All the "easy to find because theres so much of it" ammo was GONE.
But that's kind of irrelevant, you should have a ton of that stuff BEFORE there's a problem.
@matthewsalomone
It's likely you will be able to just pick up someone elses 5.56 and 9mm bc they tried to attack your defensive position when you have a .308 (or bigger) and can neutralize them at greater range.
I figure normal decent folks will band together to form communities (and defend them) where less scrupulous people will likely band together to take from others.
I am pretty new at this but from the first advertisement I saw for the Sig 716i Tread, I had to have it. Now, after hearing what you said I am more convinced than ever I made the right choice. I live in Oregon so I think I was thinking more on the lines of self-defense when I bought it. I can't wait until dear season opens to get some real use of it. Haven't done that since being a kid with my Dad. I am now 73.
I had held out on getting a 556 ar. One thing you need to consider is 9mm and 556/223 are statistically the most widely owned rounds in United States households, in SHTF. That’s something to be strongly considered.
There won't be an SHTF. There'll be a bunch of tough talking internet war heroes who fall like flies to Fed infiltrated "militias."
Yeah I bought an AR in 300blk and it was my only AR for over 3 years. I eventually switched to 556 because EVERYBODY has it and I got tired of reloading 300blk. Buying ammo is so much more satisfying.
Only if you're too stupid not to have stocked your own ammo.
@@musicman1eandaand with an AR, a simple upper receiver swap is all that's necessary.
308 not far behind
“I had to shoot deer to feed my family during covid because meat was expensive.”
“I recommend a spear or scar in .308.”
Right?? Lemme use my 5 grand rifle to save 30 cents instead of using a 500 dollar bolt action hunting rifle like every other normal person
@@cptnscoobHe should recommend a SFAR.
Out of touch to say the least . Wealthy people just forget what normal is after a while.
Did you miss the part where he said one rifle? Sure you can have a different rifle for every purpose, but that wasn't the point of this video.
@@Deadi12 Apparently you and your room temp IQ missed the point I was making
Definitely agree. Always wondered what the 300 savage would be like today in a similar platform. It was thought of as a military cartridge and was a bit ahead if its time. Now long faded away it seems to me it would fill a gap between a blackout and 308 and work well in short barrels.
The 300 Savage actually inspired the 308/762. However, the 300 Savage features much lower pressures and a shorter neck, limiting commercial ammunition capabilities below that of the 308/762. The 308/762 would maintain it's advantages over the 300 Savage regardless of barrel length. Also, the 300 Savage cartridge dimensions would have required a similarly sized action as the 308/762. With an adjustable gas system, or a bolt action the 308/762 can be light loaded to mimic the 300 savage if comfort, or application required.
With the history of 5.56 in many war zones, it is hard to believe it could not suffice for any of my self protection needs. Use a bolt action precision rifle in a larger caliber for hunting or as a sniper rifle if it ever came to that.
Yep- I have a .308 Savage Scout Rifle with 18" barrel and 3x9 Nikon scope which is plenty accurate for hunting at medium and shorter distances, I also have a SA Saint Victor in .556 with 1x4 scope. I wouldn't mind having a semiautomatic .308 but the Savage will do me fine for hunting and or longer range SHTF. If I had to settle on just one gun I would have a tough time choosing even though I like the idea of the 308 I can carry so much more ammo in .556/223
Obviously, but this video is about having one gun for shtf. He needs to protect his family and hunt deer with that one weapon.
@@lazzerbassdrop8585 a very asinine concept in the United States circa 2024.
@@Ungood-jl5ep cool story bro
@@Ungood-jl5ep How is that asinine? We already live in a fallen state if you haven't noticed. SHTF is the only logical conclusion to the leftist satanic agenda.
The 308 has been my go to general purpose rifle for 40 years. It does what it does pretty well and one thing not mentioned is barrel life. The ideal if you can afford it would be to have a 5.56 and 308-both ammo types are available just about anywhere.
@@raykettel1837nah. I bought an Adam's arms piston.308. 1300 back in 2018
@@raykettel1837 I never owned a 5.56 although I was issued one...an M16A1 built by the Hydramatic division of General Motors. Was not impressed with its range but all we had was the M193 ball. Todays stuff is supposed to be better.
@@davidnancarrow6158 77 grain OTM's are the business. I get 0.5" routinely with my Noveske SPR. This is just IMI military long range ammo. My screen icon is a 0.4" 5 shot group i shot with said Noveske SPR. I hit a milk jug at 1,000 yards in 3 shots with that rifle. Today i hit a milk jug in 5 shots with that ammo and my DDM4V11Pro.
At 800 yards with the DDM4V11Pro (18" STW barrel) you're looking at 1,195fps and 244 ft/lbs of energy. That's still super sonic and that will penetrate your skull or thorax easily and kill you. You'd develop a pneumothorax at a minimum if hit in the chest and vital vessels/organs were missed.
Amen! If I could only have one rifle it would be a .308 (and I live in Alaska!). I have two, one of which is a good old fashioned M-14.
Think the new round the 6.8 using "True Velocity" polymer cased ammo. It has a same power of a 6.8 but uses 20% less gunpower with same velocity as a brass case ammo. That one that think has the most potential.
I live in northern Minnesota. I hunted whitetail with 30-30 lever rifles when I was a kid with mixed success. I got a .308 bolt action when I was in my 30's. Since then it has been one bullet equals one deer. The long range capability and the knock down power is proven. BTW I was in my thirties 40 years ago.
Agreed, IF you have a single use for a rifle in mind - hunting. I hunted for many years with a Musgrave Vrystaat .270 Win, and never regretted it. It was lethal, even with my modest skill level. But, most of these discussions revolve around more diverse needs, which require other capabilities as well!
Great advice sir. I am a .308 fan too.
Dad's story mirrors yours except he used a Winchester 88.
I’ve always been a 12ga slug kinda guy for deer, but here in Northern Wisconsin I hunt some pretty thick woods that allows for that kind of close range.
@@BobBobinski425 Dad mostly hunted in Muskoka in Northern Ontario (a little in New York State) it was close too within 50 yards. He only used his 1100 with slugs in the shotgun only areas.
Great info, practical, thought out and it makes so much sense, as someone who is originally a WY native now in TX, wind and long-distance shots are sooo much easier withg th.308 or an awt-6 for sure. Thanks
I bought a 6.5 Grendel upper years ago and found the rifle much more useful and interesting, it's a fun cartridge to reload for also.
yeah. Grendel is pretty good. especially if you reload.
@johnparrish9215 It's a great round, I too am a huge fan of it's properties.
The thing is, in a SHTF scenario, if you aren't reloading your own ammo or have it stock piled, it will be hard to come by. I have a 6.5 Grendel and a 458 socom. But won't be good if I can't go to the store and buy the ammo for it??
That's the question.
I always try to stick with what the military is using. That way, if the SHTF you will always have ammo around.
@@Censoredagain7881 1) we are not in the SHTF scenario 2) you don't have to only have one or the other.
prepare for the worst, but that doesn't mean you can't live your life
not every firearm choice has top be 100% practical.
you make a good point, but my response it : shoot what you like as well as what is practical; have some fun also; strike the right balance for you!
@@Censoredagain7881 Keep a 556 upper around in case the SHTF. Bolt and all. Switch them if you run out of Grendel.
I love the 308, practical for many uses. I live in the Appalachian mountains, and would almost never shoot past 200 yards...most deer are shot around 50 yards around here. My AR chambered in 7.62x39 is a perfect deer gun for this area. I'd love to have a place to shoot longer ranges. Your battle rifle is very nice. Most of us would have to take out a personal loan to get one of those.
You got an AR chambered in 7.62?
That is, like, an AGGRESSIVELY anti AK purchase. 😂
I don't understand it.
@@ArizonaBlazer My first AR-15 in '93 or '94 was in 7.62x39. If you were a soldier (or former) comfortable with the M16 and wanted to hunt deer with a semi-auto, it made some sense. There really wasn't much of a choice of chamberings back then - maybe just the two - I don't clearly remember. Mine was a factory Colt and unfortunately I never got it to feed as reliably as I would have liked.
@@vicnighthorse Nice, I think they've come a long ways since the 90s. I have a ks47 from PSA that takes AK mags.
I love my AR in 7.62x39. It packs a punch and works great for me here in the mountains of NC.
@@ArizonaBlazer Don't understand? It's the best of both worlds. The ergonomics and accuracy of the AR with the better cartridge of the AK. I like AKs, but I'm certainly not a purist. I might get one one day just for fun, but I'll take my KS47 from PSA over an AK every day.
In my area, outside of towns, it’s very hard to get a shot beyond 100 yards due to hills and heavily forested areas. The only other exception would be if you were trying to shoot across someone’s pasture. 5.56 works fine here.
roads my man
So you are saying you will never leave "your area?" The US has a drastic topographic change in very little distance. Don't silo yourself.
@@pumpybenis3122 I live in a similar area ... I can go a yard into the treeline and you'd never know I was there. I can get by with a 12 Gauge, a folding knife, and a lighter. I can't think of any reason I'd want to go away from areas with water, abundant game, and edible plants, and try to go across Kansas or the Mojave. I got two does and 3 fawns, a rabbit warren, and a groundhog family nesting in the blackberry thickets in my backyard. I could take them with a baseball bat. Y'all can keep your "wide open spaces".
Weak, even with a 20" barrel. Ask those who've been in combat.
Whilst I wouldn't consider this as a reason to go with a completely obscure calibre for a primary rifle, when you did your review of the FK BRNO 7.5 PSD during COVID, you stated that you had no difficulty getting the 7.5 BRNO ammo but that 9mm was scarce and ridiculously expensive so you were using half filled magazines to conserve ammo. In any SHTF conflict those readily available calibres that everyone uses are going to be the first ones to disappear of the shelf. That's why having a stockpile of ammunition initially is important and I would argue that that being the case what calibre you choose should be decided as much upon suitability for your given needs as availability.
After many many many rifles over the years I think I have found my "only gun you need". Its a 10.5 inch PSA KS-47 SBR with a 30 cal Nomad on the end (double tax stamp) and a swamp fox 1x6 lpvo on top. Out to 300 yards its a beast. Small, Light, Takes AK Mags, and shoots the 7.62x39 in the body of an AR.
nice choice but I like the 16 inch AR 15 in the 7.62-39 pretty much the same thing but uses AR magazine made for the 7.62 and the 20 round magazine is not as long and bulky, great round for 150 yards and good for anything except maybe bear, moose
@@dinadaughtry8993 bad choice. The extractors break often.
I think the biggest issue here is that people are not being realistic on the many different forms a true SHTF might look like. I've always told people that if things went downhill you'd probably need to shoot pigeons that roost under a bridge in a city to eat with a 24-28" shotgun before you get into combat against others with a rifle. Keep this in mind when considering the ammo you stock up on.
Good point. In a survival scenario, your main concern will of course be surviving. And that means finding food. People like to fantasize about getting into gunfights. But if you're getting into gunfights, you're not gonna live very long.
Yep, your main objective will be to avoid gunfights at all costs.
If the S really hits the F to the point where society has completely collapsed, you are worried about sheer survival, defending your life, and worrying about what you're going to eat on any given day, you are going to be using EVERY gun you own under non-ideal circumstances.
I laugh at people that think they can prepare ONE rifle for those kind of circumstances and that it'll do the job. You could have your $4,000 tacti-awesome setup made for defense and hunting and 35,000 rounds stacked up and you get ambushed and surrounded in the open by a group of hungry scavengers with rusty .22s, you're screwed. Then they're going to be the ones with a fancy rifle.
The best SHTF rifle is probably a .22 anyway, because it's the only round you can stack up several 10s of thousands of without taking out a second mortgage and you can have a bunch of firearms (levers, revolvers, etc) that fire it without the need for functional mags. Again, when society has collapsed, there are no ideal scenarios.
But that does not really explain the need for a deer hunting rifle that can also be used for cqb. If you only need to hunt deer, just get a rifle for deer hunting. You wouldn’t try to turn your 24” bird hunting shotgun into a door breaching shotgun as well right?
You have to survive the violence enough to shoot down the pigeon. You don't get to choose when others attack you.
I have always liked .308. It seems that several companies have worked out the issues that the AR-10 has had, so it is more appealing in that respect also.
Why 308 tho?
@@tedarcher9120wealth of knowledge regarding reloading for a start. Solid for hunting most things within 600 yards. Plenty of firearms to choose from.
Yeah been thinking of getting the Ruger SFAR. I want a lightweight .308 that won't break the bank
@@tedarcher9120 For me, I have a good supply of it, and it is easy to find right now, I find pretty good deals on .308 regularly.
We have an M14. Proven track record, reliability, and power. It's my go-to. That .308 is pure power.
Just now came across this video. I've been off the "net" grid for over a year, and, over a year ago I made a 308 AR my "go to". Not one to do everything, but to do most important chores I need done.
Rock on!
You're spot on with those three calibers, I do have the .556/223, 308, and a .243 bolt.
Excellent review as always MAC!
Don't list out that crap unless your including the complete list of things you lost in a lake...
556 is very available and carry weight is less than 300 blk out or 308. Toss up would be 7.62x39 (IMO) the best intermediate cartridge, just as good if not better than 300 blk out and available, cheaper and goes bang even when wet for weeks or months...even years...can be in AR, AK, SKS, and shoots very well (sub MOA) in my Ruger American Ranch using 5, 10, 20 and even 30rd Ruger Mini 30 mags.
Unfortunately I found that milsurp 7.62x39 can’t last 15 years in a damp location in an ammo can with a hole in it…. But that the powder and bullets from it can be reloaded into new primered cases and fired just as good.
@@RacerJim0why dont you literally put the new cans under water and put bricks on top of them and come back in 3 days and see if theres a drop inside them
7.62x39 and .300 both have bad to mediocre ballistics across the board. .300 just costs 2 to 3 times as much and you can put it in an ar.
Seriously, I feel like 7.62x39 is underlooked a lot more than it should be in the AR platform. I love my Windham SRC after throwing some fun aftermarket stuff at it. Being Norma and Freedom Munitions is now manufacturing brass ammo at under 50 cents a round I'm not certain why more people aren't jumping on it.
Even at intermediate 77gr 556 works decently in a shtf situation. My only reason to have 300blk is subsonic. 556 like you said is lighter cheaper and easier to find than the others, and when compared to others they only ever use 55 or 62gr. 77gr does pretty well. A 2 legged varmint stealing food isn't nearly as tough as a buck.
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Cool story bro.
Rich kid problems
I had this same bought not too long ago, it’s good to hear all the critical points verbalized!🤙🏻
Saiga 7.62x39 for me! Some people have put 350,000+ rounds through their Saiga and its still going strong. Great video
It may still function but I bet the accuracy is poor at that round count.
Simply NO. An AK action can not last 350K rounds. Who could afford that much ammo.
I love my Saigas. I have two, one 20" 7.62x39mm that I replaced the FCG to a standard AKM trigger, bullet guide but kept the original front sight and no brake. And I have a 16" 5.45x39mm that is the same way, AKM trigger group, Saiga front brake. But the 16" is my baby. Easily the best rifle I own. I even like it better than my Galil Ace Gen2 in 5.45. Which is like an AKM on steroids, milled receiver, pic top rail, left hand charging handle, and buffered recoil spring. The Saiga still holds it own with it.
@COLOWYOWATCHMAN I totally agree 👍. Can't beat 7.62x39mm AKM for all purpose, if you could only have 1 rifle!! Hunt, fight, last forever, cheap ammo!
@charlesshoemaker3622 an AR might last 3000 to 5000 rounds. An AKM will last much longer. Plus piston driven rifles are superior and the ammo is cheaper!!! Lights, lasers, optics and other Gucci crap won't make you a better shooter/warrior. 😂😂😂
308 has been my "go to for about everything" round for about 11+ years now. Super accurate, plentiful, and decent cost. I've taken two cow elk with it at ranges around 50-125 yards with 165 grain ammo, and two antelope at 250 and 325 yards with 125 grain reduced recoil ammo using a Thompson Center bolt action rifle and a Simmons 3x12 scope. It's a versatile cartridge that's the "right tool" for most jobs. Plus, it's just plain fun to shoot in a Standard M1A, C308, and Bergara B-14 HMR!
I'm still firmly in camp 6.5 Grendel, thanks in large part to you and your testing. I wish it was cheaper, & more accessible, but I guess preparation helps overcome those problems. I'm also still in love with the XCR, but if I had eyes for another the SIg would be a top contender.
Love Grendel as well. My favorite rifle caliber.
I have one too and it's a great round. Maybe the best ever designed for the 15 sized platform. But it is expensive, and more problematic, very hard to find most of the time.
I've been seriously looking at 6.5 Grendel. It looks like an excellent alternative to 5.56, but is still in "boutique cartridge" territory. Hopefully it becomes more popular, so the price and availability improve.
I love 6.5 grendel but it needs a dedicated ar built for it just like the lwrc 6.8. The magazine reliability just isn’t there.
It used to be pretty cheap. Import laws seem to have really effected it.
Good case made, and a good discussion of your decision. The main reason why the military went to 5.56 was the extra ammo, lower recoil and lighter weight. As a man and an experienced shooter you're unlikely to meet a situation where you're going to need a ton of ammunition or have too much trouble carrying a .308 weapon.
I've been going around and around in my head what rifle i want and i like the points you make. Thank you
.223/5.56 is more than suffice for what my intended use for these rounds are which is self defense. I am happy that they are in abundance on the store shelves.
Do you realize just how quickly 12 million scared ,223mm owners will empty gunshop shelves? One day, maybe 2? With the military grabbing TOTAL production, you'll be no better off than other calibres. So, chances are, you'll also be stuck with what you have in your storage, just like everyone else. This dynamic is the major down side of so many people owning guns!
Not everyone has 5k for the gun. 2k for the optics. And $2 for match ammo. No way. 556 will forever be here.
facts
Not every who wants a .308 will pay 5K for a rifle. because you can find some for very cheap, in particular bolt action and still very accurate. be a smart shopper instead of a whinny one.
Palmetto State Armory has a 308 AR10 for $849. Tula steel case .308 is $11.99. Brown Bear 308 HP, Soft Point same price. But your right a 223/556 is much cheaper and always available. AR-15 is still my go to.
@@916medic I was gonna say that. PSA has a 308 upper for around 400 and complete lower for 150 to 200 if your patient.
@@Holretthe situation the video is about calls for a rifle more effective than a bolt action. He’s not whining, youre being dense
It all depends on your circumstances and what type of SHTF scenario you find yourself in. If you have a wife and kids you might choose something different than a guy who doesn’t.
Personally, I have a 22lr rifle and pistol for my go to guns. Granted, that’s more of a survival weapon but unless the scenario is a gun battle, it works for me.
Depends where you live as well aka city or rural. East or west etc
I had already changed my thinking to the 308/7.62. The availability of ammunition and the overall ballistics of the 308 compared to the 5.56 changed my thinking and your video was the " icing on the cake"
I came to the same conclusion about a year ago and switched to 308. Long shots here in Arizona and the knock down as well as logistics made 308 a great choice.
Besides affordability for the average person.
As just a simple civilian I've always picked in order of ammo ubiquity. 12G>9mm>5.56 and I have been wanting a 308 next.
throw in a .22, .38, and .45 you are guaranteed to be able to find ammo for at least one of em.
@@65stang98 did you mean.357 so you can use .38 as well
yes sir can do that too. which i have a couple strictly .38s as well. @@randominternetprofile8270
12ga > 556 > 9mm
Shotgun, rifle, pistol
Now I'm deciding 22lr vs 22wmr vs 5.7 ... Any input?
I figure need a squirrel and rat gun but with the UN going to 5.7x28 maybe that is a better choice
i have all of them lol 5.7 is cool but not cheap @@1fast72nova
I've been looking at going to 308. I enjoy and will always have a 556 simply because it's great in the self defense arena. But with longer shots I really like the performance of the 308. And with it being less expensive than 65 creedmore it seems a better choice for now.
You won’t be disappointed. Aero’s M5 platform is excellent. Coupled with a decent LPVO you can’t go wrong.
I chose 6.5 Creed, as I did not already have 308’s, and the benefits of milder recoil and flatter trajectory, save for really large game at close range where 308 hits a bit harder, the 6.5 does everything the 308 can, ammo cost dif. is not huge (not shooting 3 cases a year in 308 or 6.5). I’m building up some bolt guns and some semi autos all in 6.5 Creed. But my “go-to” is still 5.56.
@@boz837love my aero m5 .308
What is your opinion on 7.62x39? Its got more umph than a 300 blackout, and the ammunition is cheap enough and available enough. In the Marines I shot plenty of 5.56, but I have always wondered if that is good enough all around bullet. I am leaning towards .308, but am considering 7.62x39. A Ruger mini-30 is what I am looking at right now, but I also love the look of a Springfield M1A, a rifle that has a very good reputation.
Ruger Mini 30 is a great gun if you want to use a short action, high rate of fire with some punch. Balllisticaly speaking, it hits like a ole Winchester 30-30. And to mind you, the 30-30 is the number one hunting rifle in America and has put alot of venison on the table. But a little warning, Ruger will not warranty if you use steel case ammo, though in a SHTF scenario, it will function. The earlier mini 30's had some issues breaking the harden primers in the old Soviet style ammo.
20 and 30 round mags can be procured. Don't expect but around 1.5 to 2.5 MOA. But definitely accurate enough if you become proficient in the mechanics of handling this style rifle.
My personal feelings is the 5.56 with 55gr is plenty. You can also buy lead core for hunting and home defense. Recoil is next to nothing and double taps never hurt anyone but the intended target.
You can get Federal Fusion and other lead core for hunting. For shooting two legged targets, 123gr and 154gr solid copper jacket is fine.
The 7.62x39 does have cheap copper cased ammo if you shop around.
I used to be convinced that 9mm and 5.56 were suboptimal for their respective purposes given the plethora of more powerful options available. However, after years of shooting and learning, I have gained a new appreciation for these cartridges and have gone BACK to using them for my primary guns (from 357 Sig and 300 Blk). They do just about everything you could REALISTICALLY need, without excess weight, recoil, or cost. Sure, I would still want a larger cartridge for hunting, where the idea is to utilize only a single, precise shot.
Fortunately, we aren't limited to just one, but if I'm grabbing a rifle for SHTF, 5.56 wins.
I've recently switched to 308 due to the same reasons high winds in north west AZ and long distances. I dont have that really nice setup that you have but it is an Aero Precision M5e1 enhanced 16" upper on an M5 lower. I struggle at my local 1000 yard range but I'm new to long range shooting and I'm starting to figure it out. Great video and it all depends on your area/conditions. Happy 4th of July everyone. Party like its 1776 even though its more like 1984. God bless.
I have nearly the same build, but I splurged on a carbon fiber barrel. It is a bit expensive, but it gave me the performance of a heavy target barrel without the weight cost.
In a situation where we might face an invasion from a hostile nation, they will be wearing body armor, and 308 is the minimum I would bring into a fight against armored targets.
@@jacktheaviator4938 dang that is a nice upgrade, especially with the Aero barrels being heavy. I'll have to look into doing that and agree about the body armor. I have level 4 plates front and back in a Ferro Concepts Slickster for now. I still need to get a decent helmet and have been looking into night vision but I'm poor lol
Create a range chart you can carry in your pocket. List distances and scope settings for each one. That way if you have the time to prepare then you can set your scope to get the most accurate shots.
Also practice hold overs using a static scope setting for each distance. That way if you do not have time to prepare you can quickly see how far you have to hold over for accurate shot. Specially if the target is on the move.
@@kennygp2004 carbon barrels make a HUGE difference in a DMR. They are expensive, but if you have to carry the rifle over rough terrain, it is worth every penny. A decent trigger is the only other real upgrade I can justify. I left the army nearly blind in my left eye thanks to spalling and shrapnel after our Stryker took an RPG, so ambidextrous upgrades are pointless. But that's a personal choice because of my situation. Milage may vary.
Glad you brought up the 6.5CM
I've done a lot of room clearing in my day.
Then I found out I was allergic to cabbage.
Have always preferred the .308. Ammo is little more expensive but that's a trade off I'm willing to put up with. It's be great seeing more weapons systems coming out for the .308.
"LITTLE" more expansive ???
A little? It's almost twice the price
@@lrballistics You're absolutely right. I've had to change up how I practice because of it. It's also something I like to do so I treat myself to a little extra when I can. I also always have more than enough just in case that I never use.
@@EmmittHillI was about to buy some for $.60/round..
The Ruger SFAR with the upcoming 5x micro prism ( using the 3x now)is my go to general purpose rifle. If I could only have one rifle under $2000 it’s the one.
@@TheFaceofRebellionguessing Primary Arms.
I broke my 3x when it dropped on the ground with my 10lb ar
Been considering the SFAR myself. Reasonable price wise and not much heavier than an AR-15. Keep waiting to see it pop up in 6.5 Creedmor.
Yeah the SIG is a bit out of reach price-wise I like the idea of the SFAR!... interested to know what suppressing and SBR might do to the reliability
Shot my SFAR for the first time yesterday. Jammed on the sixth shot with a fired round in the chamber. I'm sure Ruger will make it right, but not impressed with its initial reliability. My S&W AR-15 has been very reliable.
I like your practical thought process Tim. Also understand that a particular gun works for particular types of people, in particular type environments. I'm a dedicated hiker, climber that enjoys to be in the thick wilderness here in New Hampshire and things like weight, manuverability, compact breakdown size is very important. I've got a 5.56 custom built AR that I use for everything here from deer hunts, plinking, deep camping, bushcraft setups, etc. It's got a cryptic coatings bolt group so it doesn't freeze and light enough for scrambling in the Mountains. This exactly what myself in particular needs.
As a former SF 18B I have been intrigued with Jeff Cooper and the Scout Rifle concept. I chose the M1A1 Scout Squad version precisely for all the reasons you cited. There’s a reason why golfers carry a bag of clubs. There’s never gonna be one gun for every eventuality. Manage risk and determine the most likely & the most dangerous scenario and make your best worst decision & move on from there…
I just added a Ruger SFAR as I've wanted a 308 in an AR for years but really didn't want the weight penalty. This 16" SFAR comes in right at 7 lbs. So far I am very pleased and I'm sure it will see a good bit of usage.
How many rounds through it so far? How's it running ?
A good friend of mine just picked one up and we took it to the range it is a great rifle and just like advertised it is a 308 that handles just like a 556 AR-15 the recoil was just a little more stout but very manageable
@chadfurtney3019 i have one as well... the one I have is the one that MAC reviewed on their channel. I am 700 rds in and only thing not stock is the LMT charging handle. It has been flawless. This gun made me get out of 556 literally last week. Now I have my SFAR and my HK mr762... im good to go.... all bought at Copper Custom
@@stevenwilson9772 They are only showing one 308 now!😥
7.62x51 is a preferred hunting cartridge for typical hunting distances in Germany. From Red., Fallow and Roe Deer for you get a 30 caliber wound channel with the bullet passing through and the wound channel is not full of hematoma or bloodshot, saving on meat because restaurants that buy your harvest will refuse the carcass because of too much damaged meat from day a 30-06 (7.62x63mm) is too much, unless your shooting a 220gr bullet. But anything under that and you’re gonna be eating that deer yourself. Lol
It's disturbing that a European country like Germany has wound-standards on the meat it buys for consumption. If the 30 06 is TOO MUCH, that's good because LESS PAIN. Why does the Fatherland wish for the poor animal too suffer? Kraut turd.
Thanks Tim, I went with the Tavor 7 and couldn’t be happier. .308 is a great all purpose round.
Hi, do you suppress your tavor? If so, what are you using and what muzzle break changes did you make for the suppressor?
@@tiffinytiffableYes I run it suppressed. I use a Rearden flash hider, they’re compatible with various 30 caliber suppressors. I use either a Q Thunder Chicken or SilencerCo Omega 300.
Agree and Tim did a great vid on it a couple years ago.
Excellent video. Thanks
Shelves are filled with 308. It makes perfect sense for all the reasons you talked about. I've got 300 Blackout for hogs out to 100 yards when I want to be able to fire multiple rounds quickly. I use a 308 bolt action for deer. 308 lives the Goldilocks Zone.
Got my .308 for deer season in November 1972. Model 100 Winchester...weighs about 7 pounds and it's semi-auto. It's fast to the shoulder and has perfect balance.
I would not trust that platform for defensive use. Having managed and run some gunshop repair departments the extractor system on the Mdl 100 is simply too fragile
@@biker-dr1ne I bet your right. The trigger is heavy too...can that trigger be tamed a bit?...I shot it last Sunday and I was pulling hard. I'd estimate 5 pounds at least...Then I shot a Sako made in about 1950 in .222 Remington...you breath on that trigger and it fires...It's got to be in ounces...maybe 8-10 ounces...they both need adjustment.
A shit hits the fan situation will not be like a looter shooter video game. You will not even be able to find 9 mm, 5.56, or 308 on any shelf. It's up to you to stock up whatever caliber you choose and be responsible for transporting it with you.
Very good information. I will stick with the 5.56 for the most part and use a bolt action 308 for longer range or hunting situations. I also like the fact you talked about sheltering in place. Very few of us have the cabin in the woods to run to if SHTF and will make our stand at home.
Great points my first rifle was a 308 for those exact reasons but in case of a buyout situation I figured it would be good to have a 556 load out for backup because of the carry weight. Eventually 6.5 Grendel and creedmoor will take the top spots but for now 308 checks all the boxes.
Just get a .308, and a 7.62x39 carbine, and you're golden.
.308 is still superior closer in. Creedmoor shines over .308 at distance. Depends on the application.
Ya that’s why I built a 308 first and then started a 6.5 creedmoor. If I could afford a sig spear I would’ve called it a day on my ar10 collection
I made all these points in your video about the 308 being obsolete. The rounds to constantly keep to cover all bases are 556, 9mm, and 308
Any gun person saying a massively popular cartridge is obsolete doesn't know what the word means and isn't a gun person.
Who asked you?
Its obsolete in the same way a .45acp is. Doesn't mean it's going anywhere; yet; but there are way better rounds out there. Yup I just said it.
@@truckert9729 wrong
@@truckert9729 the word for that is obsolecent, which is exactly what 45 and 308 are.
Have you given any thought or seen any value to Subsonic .308? Or is the trade-off not worth it? (is the juice worth the squeeze?). also what kind of accuracy do you notice at the 250+ yard range with that set up?
For years I've always had the same opinions you just shared.
The difference between you and I is that I've been torn between two or more 'lovers', i.e. 5.56 and 300 Blkout, but secretly pined for a .308 AR due to all the 'noise' in the market around each - 5.56 and 390 Blkout. I just could not get to where you are in my head.
Your video has helped a lot because while my ideas and thoughts on this subject are scattered thoughout my brain, you have not only organized them for me but, beyond that, solidified them for me.
Thank you. Guess I'll be headed to a consignment shop sooner than I thought!
BTW, as a young 68 year old veteran who grew up hunting deer and Black bear I'd just like to say that I am not of the 'fan-boy' club type. My life long passion is a small but sufficient arsenal, modern munitions and long distant shooting!
Thanks for your very thought provoking video. ...spot on!
5.56 and .308 are two of the most common use so when we need to band together, those are the best to stockpile for interchangeability.
You aren't "interchanging" shit with me. Get your own.
Ditching 556 for a 13in 308 is crazy
LUNACY
Thanks for the video. I agree with all your points about the 308 vs 556. IT REALLY HELPED ME CHANGE MY FOCUS.
Love the idea. Going with a similar setup but with the sfar.
I think all these new calibers are neat but I still prefer to run with what has been tested by time. 308 is always a good choice
Until something else becomes more common I have zero reason to abandon 5.56
62-grain 5.56mm up to 70+ grains seems to work fine on light body armor.
Man I'm really enjoying this for sure.
Love your videos! Where I live, I can't see more than a couple hundred yards (and usually FAR less) for all the trees and rolling hills so Mini 30 with JSP rounds for me, cheers! I do have a 20" AR, as well.
Love the idea, been a .308 user for decades. My go to hunting rifle. Never been a big fan of the AR-10 but I do like the layout of the spear. Might be a future owner… truthfully I hope now that things are picking up that the 6mm arc does become a standard…sweet shooting round and fantastic ballistics.
I love it in my rem model 7. But if I had to have one it'd be something in 7.62 x 39. A bit slower than .308 but a bit hotter than 30-30. That's ample power and a great all around round. Kill from opossums to bears in a pinch, iffy on brown bears. I'd want an ak with a mag over an sks with a sack of stripper clips. 30 rounds is much more than 10. And the reload difference. Dad loaded snd hunted ground squirrel. He tried em all. Settled on .243 after 22- 250 and. 222. 220 Swifts were too hot for a 22 cal.
The Spear is like 6 grand.
@@emmw7794and not worth the price by any metric lmfao
I came to the same conclusion when I bought my first rifle 24 years ago- an Armalite AR-10. I’ve used it for deer, elk, and a wide array of matches. I like the long range ballistics of the 20-inch barrel for 1000 yards. It shoots .5 MOA. It is a bit heavy and long but soaks up recoil too. Glad to hear you making a case for the.308.
This is how people talk when they are not pandering for bribes.
@@ceoelektronika8604???
I just prefer my Mauser 8mm and .303 SMLE both are over 100 years old and probably will live 100 years more
The AR-10, the famously light even in its heaviest incarnation is a bit...heavy?
5.56 weighs about a bit less than half that of .308, though, yea?
So, 210 rounds of 5.56 vs. 100-ish of .308.
That's kind of significant when anything that needs to fall can be dropped by a 5.56 unless I'm way off?
I live in the Midwest lots of trees and bush. My go to is .44 Magnum Henry, and my S&W 629 together. Combat reloading thru the side gate is very manageable and easy with a big round. The heavy 240gr round doesn't get blown around by wind very easy. Great bush gun.
With a 20 inch barrel at about 150 yards it has the same energy as a 4 inch handgun at point blank range. Bandoliers are very easy to carry and it holds the same ammo for my rifle and revolver.
I reload also and I love the fact that the .44 magnum is easy to use Black Powder in if need be.
Etc etc.
Ditched my AR platform for the reasons you talk about.
I agree, situational awareness beats spending time shooting. In 42 years driving OTR, situational, awareness helps me be safe. I have only been robbed once.
I like the MK218 from PWS for the 308 option, has been a good suppressor host with the adjustable gas system and longer stroke piston setup. Helps tame any recoil and also is a lot more affordable than the SIG Spear system right now.
I wish the PWS MK2s were in the weight range of the new SFARs.
5.56 is still relevant and readily available and affordable so for now 5.56 is for me. Also popular around the world still
He didn't claim otherwise.
Paul Harrell did a long SHTF rifle video a month ago. He completely addresses the 556 issue, even out to 500 yards. 556 is fine.
It is popular all over the world, by militaries
556 and STANAG mags - the Right Arm Of the Free World
People, he is not evangelizing. He is providing a great example of how to consider YOUR specific needs and location and select a weapon accordingly. His choice is not the same as mine. But his approach is absolutely sound.
I was glad to see only one internal ad on this one.
The 308 has made sense to me from the beginning. Good for you, nice explanation.
5.56 has plenty of power for what you are going to need it for. It will definitely get the job done at the kind of ranges that are realistic. It's availability, cost, weight and size are all in it's favor. But even that is probably more than you need.
Yeah you can lay out a deer easily with one. Anyways you're not getting an AR for SHTF just to hunt with it, like what. What a weird line of thinking from MAC... The US military already collected all the statistics to prove 5.56 is more effective in general combat and sustainability, as well as squad level maneuverability than .308 over 60 years ago!
Mac is right-on. He gave us much to consider and I appreciate it very much. POINT-OF-FACT: 5.56 will not shoot into cars or though windshields and stop those inside. COPs demonstrate that to new officers. 5.56 is great BUT AGAIN it will not shoot through body armor, even the cheap stuff - even GREEN-TIP... that is one of the many reasons the Military wants to move on... failures of the 5.56. In most parts of the country the bad guys frequently wear body armor. If you have not been to a carbine class of late: with 5.56 shoot for the groin then the face, forget the "center-mass" shots. You must prepare for worst case situations, not what worked in the past before the bad guys up-gunned & started wearing body armor. Confrontations with gangs is about like dealing with a military squad now that the Mexican drug cartels have taken over from the old prison gangs.
The one gun for everything is something I do not want to deal with. Now you need weapons for dealing with those wearing body armor and driving modified vehicles. .30/06 black tip AP is best for that. More and more home-invaders are wearing vests and use team work to overcome the good guy(s). They can drive a vehicle INTO YOUR HOME... you need something to stop the engine.
In case of wide-spread civil unrest those trying to plunder your home for your supplies will be wearing armor and there will be several/many of them.
BETTER START THING "COMMUNICATION" & "TEAMS"...
Mechanics have more than one tool in their tool box... we also need an assortment of tools.
MAC is one of the first... this topic of discussion is going to become paramount in the gun/self-defense community.
5.56 is just about everyones' favorite BUT YOU must consider the bad guys have up-armored and up-gunned. Of course you might be fortunate and your attacker(s) might be old-school BUT the bad guys are good communicators and in general their life's work is to stay one-step-ahead of US.
In my case hunting is not now an issue BUT years ago I had to shoot dog-sized predators & DOG PACKS chasing sheep & cattle - 5.56 was often NOT always a good stopper for even that... had to chase-down a quite a few that should have died with the first hit because it was a well placed shot. THINK ABOUT IT! Especially if the target shoots back and is full of MEPH and or adrenaline!
DIFFERENT STROKES FOR DIFFERENT FOLKS! ... certainly, BUT every point that MAC made is worth your serious consideration. Nothing he said was/is frivolous or naive. If you think "MAC HAS CHANGED"... maybe he has become more of a realist. I have followed him for many years... I do not think he has changed one bit BUT he was addressing a supremely serious subject!
GO MAC!
PS: My go-to has become a SIG CROSS in .308 with an AREA 419 brake. Not saying it is perfect for everyone BUT I take it with me everywhere in the vault under the back seat... completely legal almost anywhere. I have heavier ARs... will shoot through most any vest available to civilians, no attacker inside a vehicle would be safe, and it will shoot almost as accurately as my F-Class rifle out to 800 yards.
@@johncanshoot huh. so 6.8 wasn't for enemies abroad was it...
@@johncanshoot bud I hate to break it to you, 55 grain can go through a whole fuckin car lmfaooooo
@@johncanshootdude you couldn’t possibly be any more wrong lmao. It’s insane. Yikes man.
.308 has always had a special place in my lineup. First hunting rifle was my dad’s .308 Savage lever gun. Found one like it a few years back and picked it up. Have a couple of others now as well as an AR10 in 6.5 cm. Toying with the idea of swapping the barrel over to .308. I like the jack-of-all-trades aspect of the cartridge except it’s better than being a master of none. Appreciate the video and your take on this issue. Keep up the good work!
That was the hunting rifle my dad always had me hunt with a savage 99 in .308 with a red field 4x widefield scope. Either that or a Springfield 30.06
I have the same 9" Spear for 300blk. But those Sig supressors are impossible to find for the original muzzle device. If you have any leads, please advise !!
Which model do you have on yours ?
I am doing the same thing. The biggest question that I am wrestling myself with is do I go with a full size 16 inch rifle, a bull pup like an MDRX or pay the ridiculous price of the 13 inch Sig Spear pistol? Just curious, why the Sig?
556 for me. The 308 is a powerhouse, of course, but the smaller cartridge really shines when it comes to consistently keeping the enemy's head down.
lmao the only thing you need to worry about keeping down is your blood pressure
556 is still good. Just get a heavier grain at higher pressure.
Who are you regularly fighting that you need to lay down suppressive fire?
Go outside and touch grass bro.
@@GTFBITKlol
I think, for SHTF, I'm already most likely a loot drop for someone else. I'll just keep what I have and see how it goes. I'm more focused on making friends and being in a group than individual gear now.
Youve got the best mindset here tbh. Always fixating and preparing for the worst, is a mental nightmare, making friends and family while enjoying life matters more. Dedicated prepper/shtf communities seem to forget this. Have a few months of food/water stockpiled, have a rifle with a few hundred extra rounds. I'd rather be around people I love for two years, then be alone prepped for 20.
@@cameron-kb6nm Or your lone ranger approach loses everything to a fireteam. You know, whatever.
@@cameron-kb6nm I hope not lol
True but most likely in the event, my “ team “ is just family.. and the only way we’re bugging out is if absolutely needed an haul ass wherever we need to be so 100% gunfights & cqb should be avoided at all costs. The “ Rambo “ type won’t make it long.
@2Ajosh Yup. If you're in a gunfight I hope its your ambush and you have standoff.
I enjoyed the subject and pretty much agree with it. I may buy another AR 10 but I already have a CZ 550 in 308 and a Remington 760 pump in 270. If I go to war I have 3 VZ 58s and 5000 rounds of 7.62x39. I also have a "Remington" made 7.62x54r that, by luck turned out to be a tack driver. Naturally I have a couple of Bushmaster 556/223 rifles and a few more odd and end tools laying around. I was looking for a legitimate reason to acquire another tool but I think that I will have to continue watching and listening to your channel in hopes of being given a sound reason to make that move. I probably need to be looking at videos on why I need to get a larger or an additional gun safe.
finally someone who sees it the way I do since the AR10 platform has been more popularized not too long ago. This setup is my go to rifle as well. I still have the AR15, but left it for my other
I agree with the .308, but an AR-10 is too heavy and bulky for me. There is a whole universe of light, low recoiling .308 semiautos available. You might check out POF Rogue, SCAR 17, or if you like cheap crap, Ruger SFAR.
Absolutely. Do. Your considerations are well reasoned and seem practical. In the context, I don't think many people are aware of their physical medical limitations of smaller skirmishes let alone a gun fight. Little problems quickly become big problems without appropriate care. Thanks.
If I’m harvesting game using single rounds to hunt primarily in a bug out situation I like the idea of .308 or 7.62x39. Something readily available with a current ammo stockpile that keeps prices low for practice would make the most sense. Price of 308 is the only problem as others have pointed out. 308 ar10s are so lightweight the weight the weight of the ammo would be another concern ask NUTN lol. see also KS47 for shorter range engagements. I’ve been telling people to avoid the oddball AR calibers for years now and stick with 308. It checks so many boxes for me, no need to reinvent the wheel.
for animals, may want to look at a simple thompson contender. theyre nice. and you save the brass.
Due to my experience in Iraq for two tours i made the jump a long time ago from 5.56 to 7.62, and most of the vets i served with that are still with us have done the same. I was lucky as a POG to have access to a base armory and managed to get my hands on an old M14. Then my people back home sent me a sadlak mount and my issued ACOG made the jump and that was my gun for the duration of my time in the sandbox. Since coming back home my ARs have become safe queens and I've had LRB & Fulton Armory build me a few M14s of various lengths and setup for different tasks. With the exception of teaching a new shooter, I cannot remember the last time i shot 5.56 for personal use.
POG... Everything I learned and equipped in my 23 years on active duty has changed.
We called POGs, REMFs, when I was in. But I was a 12B, just a glorified grunt, so what do I know?
There's a reason our Operators in Afghanistan wanted to break the M-14 out of mothballs- 5.56 was fine for house-to-house in Iraq, but in the wide-open spaces and across canyons of Afghanistan, 7.62 is far superior
M14s with modifications in the War on Terror had a really short career because they shift point of aim significantly when they heat up. SOCOM went to SCAR Heavys and then to M110's, but the HK416 really dominated either as the IAR (M27 or M38) or M4's with SOPMOD Block 1 or 2 using 77 grain bullets. Changing bullets really improved the 5.56 wind drift and accuracy at range and most did not see the weight of 7.62 worth it.
@@oddrocket2743 The point still holds. Unless you happen to have a source for MK262 or Mk318 (or their civilian counterparts). Comparing widely available 7.62 to equally available 5.56/.223, the 7.62 still takes the lead for everything but ammo weight.
@@PhotoBobBarker
9 Hole Reviews did a nice analysis of the M21 accurized M14 and discussed the stoppages and issues with bedding. My own limited experience shooting accurized M14s was similar to 9 hole reviews.
You are correct that .308 / 7.62 is still a better round than 77grain 5.56 but 77 grainers were a much easier change for the military. Curious to see what you think of the 9 hole's analysis.
If you can afford to have a 300 blackout as a 4th rifle caliber, it is a very versatile and useful cartridge. I have it and love it, but you need first a 22LR, then 556, 308 and next 300 blk IMO. The cost and availability is costly and the other calibers have a wider use case, are cheaper or are more effective in certain tasks. 300 Blk is the do all within 300 yards caliber with supers, but you can also use subs for other niche scenarios. It all comes down to cost and what works best for you but my opinion still stands with the order of calibers for rifles.
5.56 will be king in shtf scenario, as will 9x19.
Nah I think 7.62x39 and .308win will be
Yep, you’re correct.
@@BaconSlayer69 Depends on *where* exactly shtf, if in Russia, 7.62×39. If in Switzerland, 7.5×55. If in the US or any US vassal state, .308.
Great video! I found my Paratrooper SKS with a 16" barrel does a great job as my do everything rifle. I installed a Choate conventional stock, a BadAces Tactical rear sight/picatinney rail with a red dot, a muzzle break, and put a picatinney rail on the side of the handguard for a removable light. I prefer the stock 10rd mag, and use 154gr-sp, 122gr-hp, and standard fmj. I found i can carry it for hours with my Chinese chest rig, and not be as fatigued as I am with other weapon systems. Where I live, it's pretty heavy brush, so anything over 150 yards visibility in the winter, and approximately 30 too 50 yards in the warmer weather is the norm. I really like it, and love that it has been super reliable with anything I feed it. For a rifle a paid $200 for, I think it's a great utility rifle.
I was not expecting such a beautiful backyard range
Makes perfect sense and I totally agree. 👍
If you want more performance without sacrificing weight and recoil the 6.8 SPC or 6.5 grendel are the way to go. They both have a very good track record taking deer and hogs. I see both on store shelves and both are easy to reload for.
If I had to do it all over again, going back in time not starting over in 2023, I think I’d have added a 6.8 to my repertoire and been stocking it up. Not going to do it now, too expensive and I’ve got lots of other things since
6.8 spc is boss. Idk why store shelf availability is a concern if you have enough stored. It's like a zombie movie larp where you think the ability to resupply at a looted Walmart is beneficial.
6.8 PRC is my deer rifle 😍👍🏻