Would absolutely love to see a comparison between the SCAR and Bren 2. Obviously the SCAR is going to show it's age in terms of features and appearance, perhaps a segment showing a more apples to apples comparison with modern handguards and upgrades available for the SCAR platform?
MAC has asserted that the Scar is a “proven failed system” and is only relevant as a “collectors item.” I’ve asked him a few times to elaborate on that or explain what makes the scar a “proven failed system” but he hasn’t replied.
12gaugeTim interesting as he has videos as far back as 2016/2017 where he’s gushing on the SCAR 17 as a high-end performance battle rifle. His ultimate SCAR 17s video sings high praise for it, so I’m guessing he’s just not crazy about the 16?
JediMunchies kinda hard to take the opinion of someone seriously when they say something is a failed system when it’s still in service with military units and it’s highly sought after even when it’s priced at a premium. Especially when you know the guy saying it is a bit of a cz fanboy
I just got my Bren 2 carbine this week and I love it! I'm slightly disappointed in the amount of up and down play in the stock though. The trigger is amazing for a military rifle. Over travel is a bit much, but compared to a factory scar trigger or even m4 it's almost a match trigger in comparison. Hopefully cz will come out with the correct hand guard and sell the iron sights!
Thank you for addressing the bolt action setting on the gas regulator. It may not be intended as such, but that's what it does. When the bolt requires manual cycling, it's no longer semi auto, etc. Great gun, great channel !!!
Man, I’d love to have one of these! Could care less about suppressing it but love the look and shoot ability and the fact it’s a CZ (love my PCR) makes it desirable for me!
I'd love to see that comparison. I have friends that drool over my 805 because of how close it is to the scar, and I myself am drooling over the Bren 2 lol
I also have the 805 carbine and its the smoothest 5.56 ive ever shot. Wish it had the mag release like the bren 2 but other than that im very happy with it
We can only WISH to see that Bren 2 BR make it to the U.S....Courtesy of our beloved U.S. government, they have made it extremely difficult for companies like CZ to import goodies. Each firearm has to have at least 10+ American made parts assembled into it. This whole "10+ rule" is ridiculous. Maybe one day my friend, maybe one day..........
Alex Ferrara What about CZ-USA? They manufacture most of them in KC, I’ve got a cousin out there as an accountant. If I recall correctly, they do sell a Bren 2 Ms. It’s not an BR, but it’s still a Bren. On top of that, it’s still the same rifle, from the same company.
@@a-cell4564 CZ-USA is a wonderful company. They're sort of the distributor/manufacturer here on U.S. soil. The guns they manufacture in KC are U.S. compliant from the get go. When I say, "U.S. compliant", I mean those firearms are manufactured to fit the "10+ U.S. made parts" rule. I still LOVE the products that come out of there but, it's just not the same imho. For instance, the first shipment of the original Bren 2's came in a limited number of 300. The original 300 were basically 100% Czech made and were the military variants (select fire capability). Which had a totally different handguard than what we see now. They still had the 805 look where the upper receiverwas the handguard. The civilian variants that followed, were the Bren 2 Ms's on the CZ-USA website. They only came in 8 inch and 11 inch barrels. The handguard looks like a seperate piece and it heats up quicker than the old one. The new Bren 2 Ms is the same as the 8 inch and 11 inch variants. It has the same handguard except, it has a 14 inch barrel, and they're considering it the carbine/rifle version. It's a phenomenal rifle but, I prefer the handguard quality and simplicity on the original 300 Bren 2's that came in. CZ-USA wanted a more modular weapon and the U.S. government has that stupid 10+ rule, so that's what were stuck with. I'm all for modularity but, let us choose what we want on or off our weapons.
@@a-cell4564 The Bren 2 BR, or whatever they decide to change the name to, is the .308 variant (battle rifle) of the Bren 2/Bren 2 Ms. They leaked that rifle quite a while ago now and I hope it doesn't take 3-5 more years for them to release it.
Tim, it may be a small thing, but I really appreciated that you only fired ~10 rounds at a time. I think it really highlighted the purpose of the video (suppresssing the rifle) and not wasting time with full 30-round mags. Just my humble opinion.
Great video! I’ll add my voice to the chorus in favor of a SCAR comparison. How about CZ Bren v FN SCAR v B&T APC 556? B&T could use more love and I’m hoping you’ll justify my future purchase. 😉
Amen. I literally just posted a comment right now asking for a comparison between the Bren 2 MS carbine vs. the B&T APC .223/5.56 that he got to handpick off the rack, during his visit at B&T Switzerland! I feel like both rifles are superior to the SCAR and there is no reason to compare them to it.
The zero "rifle grenade" setting on that gun is nice! My Sig M516 had that feature but the AR charging handle could not be manipulated from the shooting position.
Anyone know how difficult it would be to obtain the military style handguard and swap it? I'm really leaning towards a purchase of this rifle and I would love to be able to do that.
That Bren 2 is listed on a french website called armurerie-lavaux. I will probably try to get informations about it in the future since there is a CZ sponsored sports shooting range where I live with CZ instructors and stuff. We may have shitty regulations in France but that particular Bren 2 with military handguard is one of the cool things we have along with russian Izhmash AKs, including the civilian AK-12 version being commercialized here. The only problem is shooting ranges owned by old farts only tolerating pussy calibers, 25m static position shooting, that kind of european mentality that shooters start to boycott here to favor more tactical disciplines.
I own this rifle and for the price point, and how well it comes out of the box, this gun makes for a very great value overall. I shoot it suppressed and using the T setting I haven't noticed gas in the face once, and I shoot lefty.
I’d love to see a video for suppressing the pistol. I have one in 7.62x39 & when I shut the gas off, I was not able to recharge the weapon so easily, had to mortar it to get the old case out. I primarily shot with it on its first setting, with sub ammo, it’s VERY quiet & not very gassy, however the same can’t be said with supers. Anyway, a comparison video with the pistol variant would also be beneficial
As always, great video Tim! Personally, I would LOVE a comparison between the Bren 2 MS carbine vs. the SCAR but, I already know what the outcome would be. As you've said in previous videos (much like others have), the Bren 2 (first 300) or the Bren 2 MS carbine is significantly better overall, compared to the SCAR. At this point, I don't see what can be debated. Shit, even the Bren 805 was a great substitute for the SCAR. Honestly Tim, I would much rather see you compare the Bren 2 MS carbine vs. the SIG Virtus again, an update on your opinion would be interesting. ORRRR you can do a comparison between the Bren 2 MS carbine vs. the B&T APC .223/5.56 you've been hiding from us!! Hope you didn't think we forgot the day that B&T let you pick yours off the rack!! Give us the goods Tim!!! Then again, the Bren 2 MS, B&T APC, and yourself might be too much sexiness in one video..
Tim, Can you please put a scope on that carbine and shoot it for accuracy. No one has done an accuracy review on it yet, and their have been wild stories of up to to 4-6 moa at 100 yards, to it being a tack driver. Please shoot the Bren 2 carbine for accuracy, and video it, or post some pics!
My Bren 2 MS shoots about 2MOA w/match ammo. It was kinda disappointing compared to an AR but then I tell myself, it's not an AR. Don't get me wrong, I do love my Bren 2 but I also wish it was more accurate as all of my CZs are much more accurate than me!
The Griffin "gate-lok" suppressors are advertised as being compatible with any A2 birdcage, but the reality is that most differ enough in spec that it won't mount. Mounts really well on GA's muzzle devices, but actual an A2 is very hit or miss. Same goes for many A2 profile devices from other brands.
wow one of the few times us canadians get something better (subjective) than you guys, which is the military handgaurds. Super excited, just put my deposit down for the bren 2 coming to canada in sept this year (2022)
MAC. Please do a comparison between the Bren and Scar. I have three CZ products and the more I use them the more I expand my collection. I really hope CZ maintains top level quality, innovation and mid level price points. They will dominate.
MAC if the Bren 2MS is a modular Rifle System the Barrel that you showed from the CZ Ref 15257 should be able to be added to the Carbine that is here in the USA? OR I am Totally Incorrect? I really like the European Bren 2MS Ref. 15257 any word on CZ-USA bringing that Carbine into the USA??? I am in the Market for a BREN right now and I have been going back and forth between getting a 11 inch and going thru the paperwork to SBR it or/and getting a Carbine 16.5 inch barrel and not have to deal with the extra paperwork specially if we decide to move to another state like my wife and I have been talking about.
Bren 2 vs Scar 16! Pretty sure I'd swing for the Bren at this point, just on price alone. I don't doubt the quality is there for both. I am interested in the weight difference.
Hi, I have a few questions, did the video shoot with 223 or 556? Can it shoot with 556? Would it need a different gas setting between these two calibers?
It would be really easy to make your own suppressor setting by drilling a smaller hole in the 3rd position. Obviously this means no "off" setting but that's not going to be a problem for most users.
Tim, if you glance at the CZ (Europe) website they state that position (3) which cuts off the gas system is the suppressor setting. - "The gas port can be completely closed in the third position, e.g. when using a silencer, and the mechanism can be controlled manually.". Lets see a battle of pistols, Bren 2s (original) pistol vs. Sig MCX Virtus Pistol. This is a more, apples to apples comparison of MIL adopted weapons. Bren 2Ms Carbine is a sporter version, it's not authentic or true to form. This series could go on, Jasons Bren 2s 7.62x39 vs. Galil ACE 7.62x39 (both modern adopted MIL weapons).
Just a thought. how about putting a magnified scope on it and shoot a few groups with the regular suppressed setting and the gas shut off setting. I wonder if there is a significant accuracy difference.
I've been waiting months for my first can and it's driving me nuts. I need another one but the hundreds of dollars in additional cost over the price of the firearm and the wait are too much for me.
Love the videos! Keep up the good work! How about doing a side by side comparison of combat grade rifle optics in the future? Traditional style scopes, red dots and holographic. Pros and cons of each. I know you are not a big fan of the meprolight M21. It would be interesting to hear more on that as well.
I have a question for you. And I need your help on deciding. IWI Tavor SAR 18 in barrel or the CZ Bren 2? Which one you think is a softer shooter? Also shoots a smaller group.
About a year ago when the bren 2 ms pistols where hitting market cz promised, extended handgaurds for the the standard gas length, and they where working on 922r compliance kits. With the rifle out are the pistols screwed or is this a sign of hope?
Is it available in .300 BLK? Would be very nice to have it in such caliber, with better terminal performance than 5.56 while keeping the same capacity.
Let’s see it scar vs Bren. I know the gun is also modular is there anyone making conversion kits what I really want is a Bren 2 in .308. Hopefully this thing catches on like the scar and there will be good aftermarket support.
Tim have you heard anything about them making the carbine (16" barrel) in 7.62x39? For those of us who don't want to own a pistol. Thanks for the clarification video.
It seems the supressor turns around during the shooting. I say that because at the beginning of the supressor shooting, the lock was at position 12 and after the first shots, it was like 2 or 3 o'clock. Did you see that or Am I seeing things that was not happening?
I would love to see a run and gun while getting the elements inside the action to check the overall reliability of this beauty. Also how easy it is to use in a life or death situation. It's a shame I have to think about that now days when I buy a gun. Any who shoot safe brother and be safe out there.
I was kind of ambivalent on the CZ after watching the Virtus vs Bren video, but now I’m really digging it. Wonder how long before someone starts making an aftermarket gas plug aimed at suppression, with two tighter gas ports and a cutoff?
It would be awesome if they would "civilianize" the BR version in 308. I have seen where you should not use Pmags and really only metal magazines for the rifle to cycle properly? Thoughts. I have seen several Bren 2 vs SCAR reviews already and the Bren wins all of them at half the price. Thank you CZ keep sending them over to the USA.
Cool now that there is a clarification of the gas plug now the question is: can you swap that plug for the pistol version? I'm gonna assume the answer is no but it would be interesting to find out. And add my vote for yes to the Bren and Scar comparison
I would like to see what kind of groups it will shoot with the current issue 62 gr SS109 ammo Also a heavy bullet ammo , like 75 gr factory load , for more of a squad sniper use
Would definitely like to see a battle of suppressed rifles that shoot accurately and don’t gas the heck outta you. Would be great to see a variety of different rifles from piston to DI. You could even throw in a accuracy challenge for funsies
Great information, as usual. Question about the Griffin Armament m4qd2...I know it fits a standard birdcage, but does the birdcage need to have shims installed behind it first? Or is it good to go “as is” from the factory (Colt LE6920). Thanks.
Did they say the gas system on the pistol variants are the same as the carbine (with the second position designed for suppressor use)? I'd think so, considering the gas ports appear similarly sized. The owner's manual doesn't state that specifically though (for my pistol, anyway). Confirmation from CZ would be great.
Sad that my 14" pistol has a bayonet lug, flip sights, and light barrel and this carbine doesn't. Someone just get me a bren 2 stock hahahaha I have an sba3 right now but the second they have a dedicated folding brace for it I'll be getting one. Sb tac has already confirmed that one is in the works so hopefully in the next year or so... still want a real cz stock or acr stock but idk if its worth the pain in the ass to sbr it.
It was nice that someone from CZ reached out to clarify that the owners manual was in error and update you so you can update us on what is correct.
That’s the trait of a quality company.
8 months later, they didn't change the owner's manual....
The more I get exposed to CZ firearms the more I want them. CZ reaching out to you show’s the company is first class. Excellent video 👍👍
Would absolutely love to see a comparison between the SCAR and Bren 2. Obviously the SCAR is going to show it's age in terms of features and appearance, perhaps a segment showing a more apples to apples comparison with modern handguards and upgrades available for the SCAR platform?
MAC has asserted that the Scar is a “proven failed system” and is only relevant as a “collectors item.” I’ve asked him a few times to elaborate on that or explain what makes the scar a “proven failed system” but he hasn’t replied.
12gaugeTim interesting as he has videos as far back as 2016/2017 where he’s gushing on the SCAR 17 as a high-end performance battle rifle. His ultimate SCAR 17s video sings high praise for it, so I’m guessing he’s just not crazy about the 16?
I have a two scars and two Bren 2s. I prefer the scars.
JediMunchies kinda hard to take the opinion of someone seriously when they say something is a failed system when it’s still in service with military units and it’s highly sought after even when it’s priced at a premium. Especially when you know the guy saying it is a bit of a cz fanboy
@@TheSugarWeasel93 Could you elaborate on why?
Thanks for explaining the gas system on the CZ BREN 2 Rifle , Tim !!!!!!!!!!!!
I just got my Bren 2 carbine this week and I love it! I'm slightly disappointed in the amount of up and down play in the stock though. The trigger is amazing for a military rifle. Over travel is a bit much, but compared to a factory scar trigger or even m4 it's almost a match trigger in comparison. Hopefully cz will come out with the correct hand guard and sell the iron sights!
Thank you for addressing the bolt action setting on the gas regulator. It may not be intended as such, but that's what it does. When the bolt requires manual cycling, it's no longer semi auto, etc.
Great gun, great channel !!!
6:22 that's pretty much how we have do it in the UK. Unless it's a .22 lr or wmr or a shotgun.
That sux more than the usa
I've got a Bren 2 Carbine. It has quickly become one of my favorites.
Man, I’d love to have one of these! Could care less about suppressing it but love the look and shoot ability and the fact it’s a CZ (love my PCR) makes it desirable for me!
P10-C, Shadow 2, Scorpion Evo, Bren 2... CZ is absolutely killing it.
Even their 22s look amazing!!
Forgot the Shadow 2 Orange and TSO.
Yep ... and once my Bren 2 ships I will officially own all 4 of those CZ's ... They are Simply That F'ing Amazing!!!!!!
@@chrisimes478 I'll have my Bren 2 Carbine by Tuesday. I have the Shadow 2 and P10C and love them. I regret selling my 805 lol.
I want... I would love to see this go head to head with Sig, FN and all the others on the market
The patch above your right shirt pocket got me for a second (if you know you know)🤣🤣🤣
Same here :D Those colors seems oddly familiar
Orange UA-cam
I'd love to see that comparison. I have friends that drool over my 805 because of how close it is to the scar, and I myself am drooling over the Bren 2 lol
Looks like a no brainier for me, scar way overpriced. And the proprietary mags! UGH
I also have the 805 carbine and its the smoothest 5.56 ive ever shot. Wish it had the mag release like the bren 2 but other than that im very happy with it
Id love to see a comparison between the bren 2, mcx and scar. I would also love for the .308 bren 2 to make it to the US soon
We can only WISH to see that Bren 2 BR make it to the U.S....Courtesy of our beloved U.S. government, they have made it extremely difficult for companies like CZ to import goodies. Each firearm has to have at least 10+ American made parts assembled into it. This whole "10+ rule" is ridiculous. Maybe one day my friend, maybe one day..........
Alex Ferrara What about CZ-USA? They manufacture most of them in KC, I’ve got a cousin out there as an accountant. If I recall correctly, they do sell a Bren 2 Ms. It’s not an BR, but it’s still a Bren. On top of that, it’s still the same rifle, from the same company.
@@a-cell4564 CZ-USA is a wonderful company. They're sort of the distributor/manufacturer here on U.S. soil. The guns they manufacture in KC are U.S. compliant from the get go. When I say, "U.S. compliant", I mean those firearms are manufactured to fit the "10+ U.S. made parts" rule. I still LOVE the products that come out of there but, it's just not the same imho. For instance, the first shipment of the original Bren 2's came in a limited number of 300. The original 300 were basically 100% Czech made and were the military variants (select fire capability). Which had a totally different handguard than what we see now. They still had the 805 look where the upper receiverwas the handguard. The civilian variants that followed, were the Bren 2 Ms's on the CZ-USA website. They only came in 8 inch and 11 inch barrels. The handguard looks like a seperate piece and it heats up quicker than the old one. The new Bren 2 Ms is the same as the 8 inch and 11 inch variants. It has the same handguard except, it has a 14 inch barrel, and they're considering it the carbine/rifle version. It's a phenomenal rifle but, I prefer the handguard quality and simplicity on the original 300 Bren 2's that came in. CZ-USA wanted a more modular weapon and the U.S. government has that stupid 10+ rule, so that's what were stuck with. I'm all for modularity but, let us choose what we want on or off our weapons.
@@a-cell4564 The Bren 2 BR, or whatever they decide to change the name to, is the .308 variant (battle rifle) of the Bren 2/Bren 2 Ms. They leaked that rifle quite a while ago now and I hope it doesn't take 3-5 more years for them to release it.
Alex Ferrara Called my cousin. As you could expect, he doesn’t have a clue about the production side of things. He said it probably won’t though.
CZ is one of the few firearms Tim has manage not to break. That speaks a lot for them.
Tim, it may be a small thing, but I really appreciated that you only fired ~10 rounds at a time. I think it really highlighted the purpose of the video (suppresssing the rifle) and not wasting time with full 30-round mags. Just my humble opinion.
Great video! I’ll add my voice to the chorus in favor of a SCAR comparison. How about CZ Bren v FN SCAR v B&T APC 556? B&T could use more love and I’m hoping you’ll justify my future purchase. 😉
Amen. I literally just posted a comment right now asking for a comparison between the Bren 2 MS carbine vs. the B&T APC .223/5.56 that he got to handpick off the rack, during his visit at B&T Switzerland! I feel like both rifles are superior to the SCAR and there is no reason to compare them to it.
The zero "rifle grenade" setting on that gun is nice! My Sig M516 had that feature but the AR charging handle could not be manipulated from the shooting position.
I had the chance of touch and feel these rifles at a Security fair a few months ago, and they are absolutely awesome
Your copper custom logo on your shirt was the most impressive thing to me, that is GENIUS design
Me:What's wrong with the MLok handguard? I think it looks fine.
MAC shows original military handguard at 8:32.
Me:Oooh 🤤
Anyone know how difficult it would be to obtain the military style handguard and swap it? I'm really leaning towards a purchase of this rifle and I would love to be able to do that.
@@Schism07 Have to think about 922r
I found an aftermarket replacement from HB Indusries (hbindustries.net/store/shop/cz-bren-2-handguard-7-9-m-lok/ )
Ya honestly it looks fine to me. Either way works.
That Bren 2 is listed on a french website called armurerie-lavaux. I will probably try to get informations about it in the future since there is a CZ sponsored sports shooting range where I live with CZ instructors and stuff. We may have shitty regulations in France but that particular Bren 2 with military handguard is one of the cool things we have along with russian Izhmash AKs, including the civilian AK-12 version being commercialized here. The only problem is shooting ranges owned by old farts only tolerating pussy calibers, 25m static position shooting, that kind of european mentality that shooters start to boycott here to favor more tactical disciplines.
Love your videos! Greetings from Czech. Rep!
I bought a HBI trigger from Copper custom for my cz p10c and it is great. Thanks guys.
The bolt action feature is awesome
I own this rifle and for the price point, and how well it comes out of the box, this gun makes for a very great value overall. I shoot it suppressed and using the T setting I haven't noticed gas in the face once, and I shoot lefty.
I’d love to see a video for suppressing the pistol. I have one in 7.62x39 & when I shut the gas off, I was not able to recharge the weapon so easily, had to mortar it to get the old case out. I primarily shot with it on its first setting, with sub ammo, it’s VERY quiet & not very gassy, however the same can’t be said with supers. Anyway, a comparison video with the pistol variant would also be beneficial
I have the same bren 2 in 762x39. What can are you using with the bren 2 and have you tried shooting suppressed without changing the gas settings?
I recently bought one and im excited been looking at this thing for a while and now im glad i bought one
Looks like an awesome "not an AR" option.
Great info, always enjoy your videos providing insights into the guns and best practices.
Yes please do a BREN 2 Carbine VS. SCAR Review. Thanks MAC
Nice firearm, the gas off option is very nice.
Definitely would like to see a comparison video!!
A comparison video would be sweet! I personally love the way you do your comparisons and would love to get more.
As always, great video Tim! Personally, I would LOVE a comparison between the Bren 2 MS carbine vs. the SCAR but, I already know what the outcome would be. As you've said in previous videos (much like others have), the Bren 2 (first 300) or the Bren 2 MS carbine is significantly better overall, compared to the SCAR. At this point, I don't see what can be debated. Shit, even the Bren 805 was a great substitute for the SCAR. Honestly Tim, I would much rather see you compare the Bren 2 MS carbine vs. the SIG Virtus again, an update on your opinion would be interesting. ORRRR you can do a comparison between the Bren 2 MS carbine vs. the B&T APC .223/5.56 you've been hiding from us!! Hope you didn't think we forgot the day that B&T let you pick yours off the rack!! Give us the goods Tim!!! Then again, the Bren 2 MS, B&T APC, and yourself might be too much sexiness in one video..
Tim,
Can you please put a scope on that carbine and shoot it for accuracy. No one has done an accuracy review on it yet, and their have been wild stories of up to to 4-6 moa at 100 yards, to it being a tack driver. Please shoot the Bren 2 carbine for accuracy, and video it, or post some pics!
MOA is a distancless unit of measure
My Bren 2 MS shoots about 2MOA w/match ammo. It was kinda disappointing compared to an AR but then I tell myself, it's not an AR. Don't get me wrong, I do love my Bren 2 but I also wish it was more accurate as all of my CZs are much more accurate than me!
I would love to see a bren 2 vs scar
Tim, yes, please compare the APC308 and SCAR 17S with the BREN 2.
The Griffin "gate-lok" suppressors are advertised as being compatible with any A2 birdcage, but the reality is that most differ enough in spec that it won't mount. Mounts really well on GA's muzzle devices, but actual an A2 is very hit or miss. Same goes for many A2 profile devices from other brands.
I’ve had my 11 cz Bren 2 pistol for awhile now and it has the same 3 position adjustable gas settings that you describe here.
Should have different sized holes than theb16.5" one.
Cz Bren 2 is Superior to the Scar!
wow one of the few times us canadians get something better (subjective) than you guys, which is the military handgaurds. Super excited, just put my deposit down for the bren 2 coming to canada in sept this year (2022)
yep would love a scar and bren comparison. can’t wait for the bren 2 br in 7.62 to come to u.s.
You NEED to get a hold of the Bren 2 BR 308.
Definitely do the comparison with the scar.
The owners manual of the M4DS states specifically they are not designed to be used with crush washers. But, aligned is aligned I guess.
Exactly what model Griffin Armament flash suppressor are you running? I see they have many different models. Greta video as always.
I also like that optic.
Yes a comparison vs the Scar!
MAC. Please do a comparison between the Bren and Scar. I have three CZ products and the more I use them the more I expand my collection. I really hope CZ maintains top level quality, innovation and mid level price points. They will dominate.
Definitely would love to see a comparison!
MAC if the Bren 2MS is a modular Rifle System the Barrel that you showed from the CZ Ref 15257 should be able to be added to the Carbine that is here in the USA? OR I am Totally Incorrect? I really like the European Bren 2MS Ref. 15257 any word on CZ-USA bringing that Carbine into the USA??? I am in the Market for a BREN right now and I have been going back and forth between getting a 11 inch and going thru the paperwork to SBR it or/and getting a Carbine 16.5 inch barrel and not have to deal with the extra paperwork specially if we decide to move to another state like my wife and I have been talking about.
Bren 2 vs Scar 16! Pretty sure I'd swing for the Bren at this point, just on price alone. I don't doubt the quality is there for both. I am interested in the weight difference.
Any idea about the barrel lining? Can’t find info anywhere. Is it chromed or nitrided?
I will drill # 2 setting out for Adverse setting like the pistol models I have and drill # 3 position out for the suppressor setting. Easy Fix
Hi, I have a few questions, did the video shoot with 223 or 556?
Can it shoot with 556?
Would it need a different gas setting between these two calibers?
It would be really easy to make your own suppressor setting by drilling a smaller hole in the 3rd position. Obviously this means no "off" setting but that's not going to be a problem for most users.
This may be a stupid question, so I apologize ahead of time, but is there any issue with the polymer lower?
Tim, if you glance at the CZ (Europe) website they state that position (3) which cuts off the gas system is the suppressor setting. - "The gas port can be completely closed in the third position, e.g. when using a silencer, and the mechanism can be controlled manually.".
Lets see a battle of pistols, Bren 2s (original) pistol vs. Sig MCX Virtus Pistol. This is a more, apples to apples comparison of MIL adopted weapons. Bren 2Ms Carbine is a sporter version, it's not authentic or true to form. This series could go on, Jasons Bren 2s 7.62x39 vs. Galil ACE 7.62x39 (both modern adopted MIL weapons).
Just a thought. how about putting a magnified scope on it and shoot a few groups with the regular suppressed setting and the gas shut off setting. I wonder if there is a significant accuracy difference.
I've been waiting months for my first can and it's driving me nuts. I need another one but the hundreds of dollars in additional cost over the price of the firearm and the wait are too much for me.
Love the videos! Keep up the good work! How about doing a side by side comparison of combat grade rifle optics in the future? Traditional style scopes, red dots and holographic. Pros and cons of each. I know you are not a big fan of the meprolight M21. It would be interesting to hear more on that as well.
I have a question for you. And I need your help on deciding. IWI Tavor SAR 18 in barrel or the CZ Bren 2? Which one you think is a softer shooter? Also shoots a smaller group.
COMPARISON Please!!! Thanks so much for the BREN 2 Vids ... Just got one!!! :)
Great vídeo!!!! Congrats!!!
About a year ago when the bren 2 ms pistols where hitting market cz promised, extended handgaurds for the the standard gas length, and they where working on 922r compliance kits. With the rifle out are the pistols screwed or is this a sign of hope?
The 922r kits sell out fast, the market is crazy right now.
Do you gain noticeable velocity increase with the gas setting at off ?
No one's commented about the Beryl on the next table down...
Yes i think we all want to see the SCAR L vs CZ Bren2
Will shutting off the gas result in any more bullet velocity?
Very neat rifle! Question though, is CZ going to discountue the 805 Bren or keep that one along with the Bren 2? I love the first 805 they brough in.
Yes, run the comparison!
Is it available in .300 BLK? Would be very nice to have it in such caliber, with better terminal performance than 5.56 while keeping the same capacity.
Let’s see it scar vs Bren. I know the gun is also modular is there anyone making conversion kits what I really want is a Bren 2 in .308. Hopefully this thing catches on like the scar and there will be good aftermarket support.
Need a comparison between this the Scar and the Acr!
Not much recoil (7:25). Does recoil differ with and without suppressor?
Tim have you heard anything about them making the carbine (16" barrel) in 7.62x39? For those of us who don't want to own a pistol. Thanks for the clarification video.
It would be great to hear how it does with an OSS/HX short can re: gassiness on the low gas setting. Perfect match?
It seems the supressor turns around during the shooting. I say that because at the beginning of the supressor shooting, the lock was at position 12 and after the first shots, it was like 2 or 3 o'clock. Did you see that or Am I seeing things that was not happening?
I would love to see a run and gun while getting the elements inside the action to check the overall reliability of this beauty. Also how easy it is to use in a life or death situation. It's a shame I have to think about that now days when I buy a gun. Any who shoot safe brother and be safe out there.
What does the gas mean for the Bren2 pistols if running suppressed? It ruins the gun?
I would definitely like to see how it stacks up to the scar.
I was kind of ambivalent on the CZ after watching the Virtus vs Bren video, but now I’m really digging it. Wonder how long before someone starts making an aftermarket gas plug aimed at suppression, with two tighter gas ports and a cutoff?
Mac,
Have you tried running the Bren with an OSS can yet? If so do you believe the 11" 7.62x39 could be hearing safe?
Please tell us the specifics/manufacturer of the rifle rest you are using Sand color Thanks
Yes!!!! lets see a comparison bren vs scar
Please show a comparison vid between this and the Scar!
It would be awesome if they would "civilianize" the BR version in 308. I have seen where you should not use Pmags and really only metal magazines for the rifle to cycle properly? Thoughts. I have seen several Bren 2 vs SCAR reviews already and the Bren wins all of them at half the price. Thank you CZ keep sending them over to the USA.
Did CZ mention if they would make Euro spec barrel and hand guards available in the US?
Cool now that there is a clarification of the gas plug now the question is: can you swap that plug for the pistol version? I'm gonna assume the answer is no but it would be interesting to find out.
And add my vote for yes to the Bren and Scar comparison
Should I get bren 2ms 762x39 14" pistol with brace tactical sba3 or get cz bren 2ms 762x39" rifle.
I would like to see what kind of groups it will shoot with the current issue 62 gr SS109 ammo
Also a heavy bullet ammo , like 75 gr factory load , for more of a squad sniper use
Would definitely like to see a battle of suppressed rifles that shoot accurately and don’t gas the heck outta you. Would be great to see a variety of different rifles from piston to DI. You could even throw in a accuracy challenge for funsies
Great information, as usual. Question about the Griffin Armament m4qd2...I know it fits a standard birdcage, but does the birdcage need to have shims installed behind it first? Or is it good to go “as is” from the factory (Colt LE6920). Thanks.
Did they say the gas system on the pistol variants are the same as the carbine (with the second position designed for suppressor use)? I'd think so, considering the gas ports appear similarly sized. The owner's manual doesn't state that specifically though (for my pistol, anyway). Confirmation from CZ would be great.
It seems like we need pistons to have 4 settings. Adverse>Normal>Suppressed>Off
Or to do the AK think and say "Nyet, open is open"
Has the pistol version been updated to allow suppressors?
Let's do it, Scar v Bren 2!
The Bren 2 is my new favorite carbine.
So is this a better rifle than the 805 s1?
Sad that my 14" pistol has a bayonet lug, flip sights, and light barrel and this carbine doesn't. Someone just get me a bren 2 stock hahahaha I have an sba3 right now but the second they have a dedicated folding brace for it I'll be getting one. Sb tac has already confirmed that one is in the works so hopefully in the next year or so... still want a real cz stock or acr stock but idk if its worth the pain in the ass to sbr it.