Davros Redesigned Due To Being "Problematic"
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- Опубліковано 19 лис 2023
- Davros Redesigned Due To Being "Problematic" in Doctor Who just before the 60th Anniversary of the show as, according to showrunner Russell T Davies, the old Davros had problems that wouldn't fit with the modern world. This has been an immensely controversial change with a great backlash from many Dr Who fans causing a controversy among the fandom explained.
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Nobody has ever viewed Davros and an evil wheelchair user, he's always been viewed as a psychotic scientist in a half Dalek shell. So extending on this further, does this make the daleks wheelchair users but have severe allergy's and need to be fully contained in a case.
You need to go back further with that logic and refresh what happened:
The Dalek are created to win the ThousandYearWar.
By that time,t he Kaled and Thal are still humanoid but are bombing each other into oblivion with nuclear and chemical weapons.
Skaro is a living hell, with intense mutation and radiation poisoning that will eventually force changes to the body of any species exposed to it.
Davros eventually will copy/steal "The Dalek Solution" from Proffessor Shan, that will suggest that the Khaled can survive within the Shell of the Daleks
I think this idea that Davis is going with is problematic. They can create more heroic characters with disabilities, but the idea that anyone with a disability can't be evil...well, that's messed up.
Remembering that his "wheelchair" is half a Dalek casing, are Daleks themselves villains in mobility scooters?
That's a good point, where does it end?
Japanese Doctor Who fixed that.
I like the idea of pre accident one. One can be both evil and In a wheel chair, and seeing him in a younger time would be cool to add to the series for lore and extra ideas for future episodes
Plus this does at least open up classic Davros as his ultimate end point. Gradually mess his body up to the point where he’s back in the chair.
@@TrueZero2 That's the issue I'm afraid, They don't seem to be planning to go back to it any time soon, RTD has implied that life post war Davros is wrong and offensive to people (No one ever) So it's like Genesis of The Daleks never happened and Davros never deteriorated because RTD is offended by it
Davros' being severely injured was part of his motivation in creating the mark III travel machine, the Dalek, which would have none of the weaknesses of the Kaled that allowed for disability or being killed so easily, he became disabled quite some time before even getting to the point of creating the Dalek, Genesis of the Daleks is near the start of the Mark III project which showed Davros was and had been in that disabled and scarred state for quite some time while leading the scientific elite. What RTD did here was a retcon, and not for in-show story but real world politics and hyper-sensitivities that are not there for most people, I would bet even most wheelchair bound did not look at Davros and think the character was an attack on them. We're not actually helping people by pandering to this culture, and the controversy is being created by the actions, not the perceived problem the actions taken were supposed to be addressing.
If Davros is an evil wheelchair user, then every Dalek is an evil wheelchair user.
The problem comes not from the fact that in this Children In Need sketch he is not in his Dalek chair as this is pre Genesis of the Daleks, the issue I think comes from RTD's quite strange comments about not wanting disabled people to look evil or villainous. I think a lot of people are worried about this due to the fact it comes across as whenever Davros is now in any future episodes, he will no longer have his iconic chair or look.
It does not help when RTD is already keeping the very dicey and fan dividing The Timeless child as canon, despite the fact most fans did not like the Doctor being the child.
The BBC these days seems to spend more time on twitter looking at the opinions of some of the most craziest circles on the website and panders to them, while ignoring people who just want a good consistent show.
If it is pre-chair then it makes canon sense. If it wasn't for the mobility issues (something I'm sure all wheelchair and bed bound people are already fully aware of) then there would be no problem putting the doctor in a wheel chair; sadly the whole universe and historical places too weren't wheelchair friendly, and it isn't fair to them to pop him in and out of one
@temptempy1360 it's the invention of the dalek... of course it was before davros nearly died
@@Altmetalpunk yeah and it puts us around the original TV:Episode "Genesis of the Daleks".
We are on Skaro in this Minisode... this is most likely part of the Thousand Year War between the Thal and the Kaled.
With a bittersweet twist that we will now learn how Skaro fell and how both sides almost annihilated themself and Davros will, most likely, help his people (the Kaled) to avoid the mutation from radiation and sheltering them in the Daleks..
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He doesn't help the Kaled's avoid mutation. He accelerates their mutation to see what their ultimate form will be and builds the mark 3 travel machine to accomodate that final mutated form.
Totally agree, they have Ruined Dr Who. I don't even bother watching anymore.
RTD 2009: "Hi, I'm Russell T Davies in 2009. And I just brought back an iconic crippled space Nazi."
RTD 2023: "Hi, I'm Russell T Davies in 2023. And I just uncrippled an iconic space Nazi."
ReTarD
LMAO
He really is lmfao
Solid video. I'm glad this wasn't just angry ranting into a mic like more stereotypical 'nerd outrage' videos.
The show-runners have gotten themselves so worked up over the mere possibility of someone interpreting Davros in a problematic light, when no media literate person on the planet could do so, that they've felt the need to stamp it out before it could even happen.
Anyone who looks at him and somehow arrives at the conclusion of 'he's evil because he's disabled' is going out of their way to ignore the characters SS-esque uniform and his tendency to spew nazi-like propaganda. The 'wheelchair', (I always thought it as more of an iron lung), worked to better tie him to the daleks visually.
I'd argue that not only have we lost an iconic design, it weakens the use of the character as a condemnation of Nazism. He's willing to sentence the 'weak' to death for the simple crime of not meeting his standards of what the 'ideal' person is all the while gleefully ignoring how he himself doesn't meet his own criteria in both physique and moral fibre, (being quite happy to sell out to the Thals to further his own agenda at the expense of his fellow Kaled), much like... The Nazis!
Can't help but find it funny that the very first thing Davies does is put 'the message' before the story, just after Chibnall's era was criticised for doing just that! Looks like we're not getting away from this any time soon...
It very much tied him to the Daleks because his "chair" is one of their base units, and the Dalek itself is a rather amorphous blob that is the heart of super sophisticated tank. That he is now trapped inside his body and base reflects, as you show, that his "Exterminate" is the same ideology that runs through the daleks, who would exterminate him as well, as they did with both sides of the humanoids on his planet but in "rescuing" Davros they made his new body that same as theirs, just as he molded their minds to match his when he created them.
Got nothing to do with wheelchairs.
Thank you! I totally agree, I've been concerned for a while that Davies would put (or keep, rather) 'the message' at the forefront of Doctor Who after hearing him a few months basically say he would, but I wasn't expecting him to do so as quickly and as blatantly as he's done. It's astonishing, even after all the criticism the show's been facing, that he's let this bizarre mindset make such destructive decisions. Before the new era has even begun....
This is the best fan reaction video on this topic so far, very thoughtfully and eloquently explained. RTD's comments will surely haunt him for his career, he has put himself in the firing line in a ludicrous misstep that needn't have even been highlighted in the first place. Even as he was saying it he looked extremely uncomfortable, and despite protestations of being fully justified in his decision, it sounded more like he was trying to convince himself. The very sad irony is he has been a genuinely passionate advocate for inclusiveness, and his motives were coming from the right place, but this was a step too far and he really should have thought it through more. If you take this to the extreme and don't want to offend anyone, if you equate say ugliness to evil, then there will be no hideous monsters to battle. There are clearly many other types of stories to tell too, but the bedrock of the series, and a large part of why it has endured to reach it's 60th, is the excitement at seeing the latest alien creature. RTD and his production team need to credit even the very young viewers with knowing the difference between reality and science fiction.
Thank you very much! :) Agreed, it seems to have been possibly the first massive misstep of his career, potentially, and it certainly seems to have rocked him somewhat. I saw him on The One Show yesterday and he looked uncomfortable there too. I think coming from the right place sometimes makes people assume that whatever they're doing is right, when that may not be the case. I suspect that's what happened here, he believed himself to be doing a good thing, but has let this self righteousness cloud his sense and judgement.
Professor X and Steven Hawking gotta be the 2 most famous wheelchair users, real and fake. Since when is them being evil a trope?
Exactly!
I see where they were coming from but Daveros being wheelchair bound made him more unique.
they are coming from bigotry, a connection that almost all of us would never have come up with but jumps to mind in bigots hearts.
Yep Davros and Christopher Pike both unique
If only the wheelchair was the only thing making his character unique... but you sure as hell can't have proper late-davros without it.
@@lapajgoo4572 true
@@temptempy1360 but harsh but I can definitely kinda see where you're saying.
@@temptempy1360 I don't believe it's the result of bigoted hearts at all. Sometimes it's hard to see the injustice that people with certain characteristics in society receive, unless you share those characteristics yourself. I myself am not physically disabled, so I'm not going to assume that all such people find Davros' portrayal offensive. But I'm also not going to assume that they don't. What I can see is that the visual design of the character, more specifically the device he moves around in, does bare resemblance to an electric wheelchair. And in a show where, at least for now, there doesn't seem to be much positive representation of disabled people, that has the potential to create negative stigma.
It’s ridiculous and a PR disaster. Just days before the first 60th anniversary special, Davrosgate is dominating the conversations. RTD could have just kept his mouth shut and nobody would have battened an eye lid. He’s made a problem out of something that never existed and in turn has show himself to be quite ignorant and ablest. What a hypocrite RTD is. I fear this is just the beginning and this era will be infested with identity politics and virtue signalling. South Park has hit home why audiences are sick of this as it’s destroyed entertainment.
Exactly, it's a shame this type of thing has already embedded itelf so prevalently in this new era of the show before it's even started. A total own goal by them I think.
My friend has asma, and he love Vader, another friend of mine is autistic, aka disabled, loves davros saying he's cool and unique design
Although well-meaning, I think this change to Doctor Who's Davros could have been done in a far more creative and imaginative way that wouldn't have caused such a massive backlash. (Though that's just my opinion of course! :))
@henryandrews700 Yeah, exactly!
""evil wheelchair user" why not give Daleks legs while they are at it, don't be ridiculous. his look is meant to as he is "becoming one with Dalek"
It's all over ...
It's often feels that way to me.
I'm not particularly a Doctor-Who fan, but I struggle with the idea of remaking characters due to being "problematic" in other media.
I mean, imagine if they made a new War of The Worlds adaptation, but it paints the Martians as sympathetic and that humanity is mean for not letting them take over because "Humanity is bad we should all die" and all that.
@@DaMartianAl007I'd personally be down for an adaptation of War of the Worlds where the aliens aren't actually invaders. Like, they could be here for peaceful reasons, but humanity goes to war out of fear. Of course, this would just be one take on the story and can't replace the original. If this sort of adaptation were to be made, it should still be possible to make another afterwards that's closer to the source material.
@@purplespectre i agree, that idea sounds pretty cool! What I'm referring to is the average activist ideal that says humanity needs to be wiped out because we are all inherently evil blah blah. but Yes the idea you mentioned is very intriguing!
For me he is very evil and cruel scientist not a wheelchair user
Yeah, it's weird to me that Davies looks at him and says 'wheelchair user'.
I thought the whole point of representation was to present characters of certain groups that cross the whole gamut of human experience. And that would include villainy.
As an lgbt person, Davies should know better than this. For years we lgbt people having been pushing to be seen as more than victims of homophobia or flamboyantly camp and to be in more stories than just coming out stories. That includes being villains.
Why would people with disabilities be any different in that regard? If a man in a wheelchair can be the leading character in a detective show then he sure as hell can be an evil genius too. No one thinks everyone in a wheelchair is Ironside so why would they think he's Davros? And as for using media representation as playground insults that's going to happen whatever representation is, good or bad.
As an lgbt person myself i love when we get to be the villains in shows because villains get to have the most fun. And we make absolutely fabulous iconic villains.
And that's what Davros is: iconic. To change him because someone somewhere (who probably isn't even disabled) might be offended is stupid.
Let them be offended.
Edit: that new guy isn't even scary much less iconic. Budget Hitler.
Very good comparison and analysis! I think Russell is being quite pretentious with this decision.
This shows how deeply embedded the far-left is in DW; while Davros personally was not focused on for his disability as 'problematic' in the real world, and the backstory explains how it further fueled his designing of the Daleks to not suffer the same weaknesses the Kaleds were showing in war resulting in developing disabilities and dying, they've brought the sentiment which is spreading across entertainment into DW, where scars, deformities or any kind of disability is being framed as 'problematic' and potentially demonising of people who have those. I think Davros is the perfect example of his disability further explaining the character's motivations, that could only ever be seen as a bad thing in 'black & white' thinking, all of nothing, all disabled people not none. No nuisance, no individual difference, pure collectivist / statist thinking.
"Well meaning place" you meant to say "Ham fisted".
Ha, true. With the way Russell's been responding to fans on Instagram, I think I was way too generous to him in my wording.
All the Daleks must now be an army of people on 2 legs as they are all utilizing the same "chair" that they use because they are mutated forms of Kaled who can no longer move around on their own. But I don't think Russell is doing that so therefore changing Davros alone makes no sense.
He's a CYBORG it's not really a wheelchair.
Davros qualifies as a mutant by law, indicating that he was exposed the chemical and nuclear radiation of Skaro...
Woke, woke, woke … the heat death of a once beloved franchise.
The only people who complain about things being "woke" are bigots
It's not woke because no one NO ONE had a problem with it it was specifically the creators being dumb
I don’t believe this change comes from a well meaning place at all because he’s using disabled people as a scapegoat to simply rebrand davros in his own design- he honestly sounds like he rehearsed that whole little “trust me bro” segment, like this man knows he’s writing fiction and that nobody watching an evil character in a wheel chair is immediately going to start destroying ramp access routes and Sparta kicking kids in wheelchairs to prevent a genocidal dictator. “Davros is in a wheelchair… that wee eld women across from me is wheelchair bound too… better take her out next time I see her” the only people who would genuinely come to that type of conclusion are clearly no your average person with normal thoughts- RTD is creating a problem over nothing and he knows it, he knows no one cares about this and the only reason we’re now having this debate is because this man’s ego told him he could make Davros more evil and unique by making him just a guy
The whole universe and timeline yet no one can be evil and disabled
It's utterly ridiculous
Something tells me as this new era of Dr Who goes on, it'll be more than just _Davros_ getting a make under.
Do....do people just assume only hale and hearty people can be evil?
Also, has everyone forgotten John Lumic?
7:30
Well... if the Doctor stole a life support system from a life support dependent person that is not much better! In fact, arguably it is worse! That scene was always very dark humour, however you read it.
Ha, good point! Hadn't considered that!
It's not exactly a bloody wheelchair is it !!
this correction has made mountains out of molehills especially when you consider Davies own efforts in creating new disabled characters.
Ironic coming from the man who's series 2 gave us John Lumic. Davros is fantastic as a character, and I adored this sketch, but going forward if he is without his wheelchair that would be greatly disappointing.
And Lady Casandra and Max Capricorn. In fact, for disabled Doctor Who villains I think RTD has overseen more than any other showrunner before or since his tenure.
It's nice of RTD's real thoughts to finally come to light.
Well, all that Davros has achieved ( not looking at the morale compass side) being a one-armed paraplegic. Rewriting and reworking him is just problematic. As a it's basically stating a wheelchair bound person should kiss ambitions goodbye.
I'm not a wheelchair user. But if I was, I think I would be pretty insulted that one of the most iconic and scariest villans from Doctor Who, that is a "Wheelchair" user, is being considered a problem.
Evil comes in many forms. You're taking away creativity and most importantly a characters legacy and a fun villain from those that love him. Wheelchair users or not.
As a disabled person with ages old love of the character of Davros, I feel really bad about this situation.
That Lumik had a wheelchair, Davros had Mark I travel machine or how and despite being blind torso with one arm and a mutant, he overcame all adversity and whole Khaled civilisation became fully dependent on Davros. It seemed so much impressive to me as a kid.
And we also have a prime example of someone who is evil and was in a wheelchair, FDR.
I'm sorry, are they suggesting that disabled people can't be baddies? Tell me something, what about disabled people who's dream it is to play a bad guy in something? I guess they better just bury those dreams, huh? Never gonna get that "representation" if you keep making up arbitrary rules about who can be depicted as what...
Exactly! It's astonishing how they keep restricting things while proclaiming they're making it "inclusive". Inclusive how? By shutting out options and opportunities for all kinds of people to play all kinds of roles? It's astonishingly stupid, in my opinion.
@pupbenny It's much less astonishing when you realize that "inclusive" is actually code for something else that they can't outright say. Heck, we have literally had a magazine praise a photo that had ONLY black female models in it, as one of the most "diverse" modeling shoots they ever saw. Clearly, when they do things like that, they are not using the same definition as the rest of us.
They invert what they want to say into something "politically correct", much the way computers invert numbers so they can perform subtraction using addition. You can't subtract 0101 from 0110, but you can add 1010 to it, invert the result and get the same answer.
That's why you get phrases like "women and people of color". It's the inverse of saying white men. When they say this what they are really saying is "not white men". When they say diverse or inclusive, they mean "non-white". That's how you get to seeing someone look at a photo of all black women and saying it's the most diverse thing they have ever seen. Because it's the least white photo they have ever seen, and that's what they meant.
This shows how his thought process was based primarily on a meta commentary instead of the story as I never saw his evil being tied to his gravchair, but rather incorporating part of his creation into himself thus tying himself to what he creates, or is megalomaniacle in how he bases what he creates in a form of self-image reflection.
I just get the feeling that this all came about from people finding something to complain about for the sake of finding something to complain about. But then, such is the way of the world that I think something like this would have happened eventually.
Well put. I do wonder just how many wheelchair bound people's opinions RTD sought before making this decision...
From the sketch, the 14th Doctor stated the timelines were rupturing, implying the Flux incident from the last Doctor is still happening. It seems RTD is exploiting the plot to “fix” the past. He basically altered “Genesis of the Daleks,” one of the greatest DW stories. Disgusting. A pre-accident Davros would be interesting, or have him discover a way to regenerate his body.. Nope. Retcon someone else’s excellent work instead.
whilst this sketch caused the cat to be put out amongst the pigeons I would love to see a spin-off about the Kaled-Thal War.
Same, it's an interesting concept!
It was a charity skit, they probably just didn’t feel like spending the money of the makeup and prosthetics
Time and cost would certainly have been a consideration and I understand that Julian Bleach was also relieved to not have to endure hours of makeup and maybe that was a deciding factor in him accepting the part again.
What an own goal before the specials are aired.I get the impression that this dying franchise is being disrespected by its makers on purpose.Ironically Davros was more Dalek in persona than his creations,one of whom Sec tried to be more human.Davros was an evil manipulative monster before his accident.
It certainly often feels that way.
Genesis of the daleks is still a brilliant episode the conversation between the doctor and davros is still iconic
Agreed, it's a fantastic story! Michael Wisher's performance as davros is incredible.
feel like Russel shouldve said nothing then there wouldnt be this fuss, an unnecessary statement causing unnecessary problems when it shouldve been left as "yeh this is his pre mutilation look" in assumption.
i feel people wouldve been more ok with this version of davros if this "issue" didnt occur. as a design before his more iconic look its neat.
7:28 honestly when I saw Witch's Familiar for the first time, that is actually what went through my head, i got a cheeky laugh at the idea of how the doctor just stole a persons wheelchair.
P.S. It's pretty obvious that DR WHO will now be a major battleground between WOKE and ANTI- WOKE. That much is certain.
Anyone remember villain in Hannibal Lecter movies, He was paraplegic in a wheelchair. And it works beautifully because his own arrogance and evil motives put him in that wheelchair. Human natural comes in many forms, even those with disabilities.
I don't think davros will be like how he was in the childrens in need special forever because trying to retcon a design 49 years old is basically both impossible and futile but i think we might be seeing davros out of his chair more often
I dont have much hope for the show going forward. I feel it will be as bad of not worse than the chibnal era.
Yeah, that statement from RTD was beyond stupid. 😅
I hope he follows social media and quickly learns how stupid we all thought that was.
I mean, if you look up the definition of 'disability', then literally any villain who's insane or a psychopath (the latter of which is an inborn condition) would be deemed "problematic".
As someone who *is* disabled, I don't have a problem with villains being disabled. What I *do* find problematic is that disability is *overrepresented* among villains, but you don't solve that problem by retconning existing villains-you solve it by adding more non-villainous characters with disabilities.
Personally I'm still assuming that this is pre-accident Davros we are seeing, despite of what RTD is saying. I doute that RTD is going to completely ignore the old look of Davros, and not mention it in one of the episodes. But if RTD wanted to bring Davros back to present day Doctor Who there is nothing stopping him from doing so. Just have a story, where Davros moves his brain over to a cloned body. The only negative part of the change, is that this takes way from Davros's fear factor, and it also diminishes the history of him. But I can look past the changes, I still see him as one of the first Nasa Employees (Ex ss) , in space.
To me Davros is a character that has overstayed his welcome .
The show had the perfect chance to either warp up his story or take it to a different direction in the Witches Familiar but they just reset him.
Like at this point his character has nowhere else to go but keep repeating itself and the writer's just keep dragging his corpse back.
Fun fact: his earliest videos where dr.who related!
I've commented on a few videos on this subject and I am disabled and find nothing wrong with Davros. I can't find many disabled people against Davros. Infact most seem to be against the change and one block, I forget his name, was quite upset that Russell would change it because he cosplays as Davros and he is a wheelchair user so can use his wheelchair as a part of his cosplay.
I have read a few stories from other wheelchair users cosplayers who are against the change and alot say about how well received their cosplays are. But Russell knows best, apparently.
the thing that makes me laugh is that russle purposly did a disabled villain in his era Being John lumic who is probably more disabled than davros and he had him forced to be turned into a cyberman so saying davros is offensive to disabled people id look at john lumic he is worse
Is the BBC going to pull all old Davros merchandise? from its own web shop??? I think not
Well he won't keep turning up as his chair saved him at the end of genesis. This new one will not suvive the daleks shooting him without the his life suport chair keeping him alive.
Here's something I haven't seen noticed. Given that RTD here demonstrates the he considers coincidence to send a message, consider what he said by making Newton (1) Indian and (2) too stupid to know Latin?
Honestly, I would like to see different interpretations of Davros besides him being in the wheelchair and see it reflected in some Daleks to reflect their creator.......but we all know how the Progenitor Daleks were treated after being revealed that they basically did a 180 because of it, even though it was wasteful.
Spot on, well said. If we are to ever be truly inclusive then ANY person able bodied or disabled should be able to be evil, good, bad, middle of the road, sexy, ugly, horrible, loving...any human can be any of these things so why can't an evil genius be in a wheelchair? It is not what makes him evil it is merely his or her or their physical presentation.
Davros was possibly the best ever Dr Who adversary. is that Nyder with him in the vagruley Natzi costume?
Pupbenny talk Daleks ;0
Oh and I thought this guy only made videos of war of the worlds
Ha nope, I've only relatively very recently switched to focusing on war of the worlds, the vast majority of my videos have been about other stuff. :)
This whole idea that persons with disabilities can't be Evil is ridiculous! And how stupid change a fundamental character like this when Darleks themselves were base partly design Davoros wheel chair. So, now have redesigning Darleks? Just like producers of Star Trek constantly changing look of Klingons until fans don't even recognize them. If something works perfectly why try fix it?
So let me get this straight. Davros isn't allowed his "Dalek Chair" but is still allowed to look like a Nazi as is fitting as they were based on them anyway.
But what about The Toymaker and his German accent? Are Germans all villains now because in RTD's eyes they killed a lot of gay people or such and they will always be evil no matter what?
What I am trying to ask simply is where do you stop? Where do you draw the line?
I really want to stress a point that if RTD really wanted to reform the character from a "harmful trope" and back into a more modern interpretation, he could have done something interesting with it like Big finish did. There's a story where Davros' body is aging and in an attempt to live on and also turn over a new leaf, he grows a clone body and intends to have his brain transplanted into it. He wanted the doctor to take him some where peaceful, to start a new life. I don't remember what else happened but obviously davros was playing an angle, trying to trick the doctor, but imagine if it was genuine?
Imagine the fresh new direction they could take davros as a character trying to atone as much as possible for his crimes against all life? Imagine him working with the doctor to fight the Daleks, to try and make things right, one adventure at a time. Imagine the amazing character exploration of Davros still struggling with his fascist ways, the constant question of betrayal, the tension, the intreauge. But no. We got the most Jaring retcon in fiction. Brilliant work RTD, you're doing great already :/.
Don’t forget John lumic the creator of cybermen in the parrelll earth
My opinion is- I am not disabled nor a wheelchair user, so I'd defer to those who are for a relevant viewpoint.
but did your mind jump to making the connection between the two? I doubt many disabled people would, but the Woke loonies will always find something.
@@henryandrews700 exactly.
Are all Darleks in "wheelchairs" too?
In 1963, the Daleks were people damaged and mutated by nuclear radiation. They adapted by living as cyborgs inside Dalek casings. Technically, every Dalek is a disabled person. Russell T Davies is now in a tight corner. If the retcon of Davros is to be applied consistently, then the Daleks would have to become evil robots, following on from "Destiny of the Daleks", where Terry Nation had retconned the Daleks into robots to borrow a plot idea from Isaac Asimov, to pit them against the Movellan robot race. As an aside, the Daleks could be given legs, thus converting them into fudged, low rent Cybermen. The Cybermen are disabled people with augmented cybernetic appliances. The principle is exactly the same as with Davros, the Daleks and the Cybermen. A bird breaking a snail's shell with a stone is using a tool. Tool usage predates humanity. A bird is an advanced form of dinosaur. Davros' chair, the Tardis and a smartphone are all applied technology. If this principle is to be applied consistently, then we would have to live as less than animals who have used simple tools for millions of years. The HG Wells "War of the Worlds" Martians would be forced to relinquish their tripod war machines in the service of political correctness and the song thrush would starve through want of a stone to obtain vital food. It is vital to apply an idea consistently. Making Davros into a goose-stepping Twinkletoes can be seen as politically correct cherrypicking. No Davros chair. No Daleks. No Cybermen. If the Daleks had not appeared in 1963, NO DR WHO!!! The show would have been axed due to declining viewer ratings, a trend dramatically reversed by the success of the disabled Dalek creatures, who found a way of surviving by resourceful, technological adaptation to an altered and hostile environment. Davros was the architect of this. "NuHu" is a towering edifice of retrospective continuity. It will be forced to remain so in order to retrieve the vital cornerstones and pillars of the show. The relationship of living beings to technology and survival is part of life and the implications raised by the future possibilities of this is huge. This goes way beyond Dr Who. It is a vital ingredient of Science Fiction itself. More importantly still. Science Fact!!!
This is honestly more insulting than just not using him anymore lol.
Offensive? Stop using him. No need to redesign a character that ONLY the creators found offensive
Children in Need Special was depicted as the Genesis of the Daleks, which re-rights the canon from Tom Baker’s Doctor Who.This is Woke gone mad, Davros is a fictional character from Genesis of the Daleks written by Terry Nation for Tom Baker’s Doctor Who in 1975. Davros and the Daleks are a parody of Adolf Hitler and fascism. The lower half of Davros body was mutilated beyond recognition during the war with the Thals, hence the mobile life-support on which the mutated Kaleds i.e. Daleks were modeled. Russell T Davies thinks it’s OK to undo 48 years of Dr Who canon; sorry this isn’t how you address issues of disability and prejudice.
Wokeness is about opposing social injustice, sex discrimination, racism, inequality and poverty, what Russell T Davies is doing is a travesty. Dr Who at its best is entertainment, sort of educational with historical story lines and obviously about science fiction, but as with Daleks, Cybermen and stories from the classic era like An Unearthly Child 100,000 BC and The Savages there are moral issues that can be picked out.
This is why I love Classic Who and why I’ve watched it ever since that first story in 1963, New Who has moved further and further from the premise Sydney Newman had back in the beginning, it’s been dumbed down with the quality of acting and stories falling in quality. In my opinion, Sylvester McCoy’s Doctor was the last worthy of the legacy of Hartnell, Troughton and the likes of Tom Baker.
If RTD wants to be Woke, address social issues like the growing divide between rich and poor and between the developed and developing world, the ecological crises and climate change. Changing Davros from a cyborg to a totally hominid organisms is just playing at it and a distraction away from the big issues facing humanity. It might make RTD feel good and important, but all it really achieves is to trash Who canon and offend many of those of us who have been fans for decades.
So characters in wheelchairs must comply with the approved stereotype now?
Also, fans in wheelchairs have lost a cosplay option. Better go as Professor Xavier instead now.
It’s set before Genesis of the Daleks. Davros hasn’t been injured yet.
Makes sense that he’s walking around and with both arms, two eyes and no scarring.
Also considering it’s a special for Children In Need, I think in THAT MOMENT, a villain in a wheelchair (sort of) that also doubles as a machine keeping him alive, with one eye and one arm is really awkward and wobbly (once again) IN THAT MOMENT.
Will Davros return as he usually is? I think so.
If not, then the disability communities should get to be the centre of debating it. There will be those for and against it, so let’s hear from them.
I’m not in a wheelchair, nor an amputee, nor do I require a device that keeps me alive. So I don’t feel like it’s my place to decide.
His logic put the wheelchair user on the good side and make her an annoying sub-character whos role would easily be replaced by someone walking like why a secret organisation involved with alien tech send a wheelchair user into the field instead of an office at risk of losing the tech her dying or rivial organizations beating them to it because shes a liability to such a sensitive organisation🤷😂
Why doe Davos remind me of Gorr the god butcher
I blame the grifters, they ballooned it for views. Also, poor choice of words for Russell.
I understand the well meaning effort but Davros being attached to a Dalek casing that he put others of his own kind in feels grotesque and twisted in a good storytelling, narrative way. Seems silly to "release him" from what's almost like a debilitating prison.
I have been a fan of the show since the 70's. With the new era it went along fine. What sad but funny in away the first road bump for me was the meta crisis thing. now at the time it could have been just brushed away. However the last episode of Matt smiths run. He told Clara The Meta Crisis counts as a Full regeneration. For me we got cheated out of a 13th life for the Doctor. Well I took in a calm and went on with the show. Then we get to Jodie's era. Note: I was fine with her. But when then started bringing up the Timeless Child thing this began a new anger toward the show. For me there was no Doctor before Hartnell. Now as far as the fugitive doctor I fit her in the old time line as the 13th face that was missing. just the doctor forgot about that time. But I've seen there are comics and books already out there making her before Hartnell. Now with this bridge doctor I just thought of him a glitch in the matrix or something. However we are told this is a full life of the doctor. What in the world is going on here. Anyway I've just decided to leave Doctor who behind. I just don't want to keep getting upset with it.
Look how they massacred my favorite villain
This whole thing took place before davros was in the chair. We also so davros as a child dueing the capaldi era. I think its great exploring the other parts of his life on screen
Does not. it overwrites Genesis.
@@inspector2363 it does not, this is clearly set prior to Genesis
Ironside was a hero. Look it up youngsters.
So, he’s not in a travel machine/life support unit ~ oh, sorry, ‘wheelchair’ as that’s ‘problematic’. Let’s just make him into a clear cut Nazi clone, just as he & his close clique were as first seen in Genesis of The Daleks.
There, that’s SO much better.
Good grief……..I can still remember watching Dr. Who in black & white (is that racist?) in the 1960’s as a kid. Don’t seem to have become mentally distressed by the fact that the Daleks as first imagined were SUPPOSED to be evil Nazi types.
WHY do certain people insist on looking for problems where there are none?
Why couldn't he have just stood up from the chair at some point? I always viewed it as a control console not a wheel chair he is clearly old asf walking is probably just a hassle for him 😂
Well that's less davors in his chair for toys not looking good for that on marketing new dr who toys
I was fine with the Children in Need sketch. It was trademark Tennant fun and cheeky. Then I heard RTD's utter disregard of the decades worth of lore that built the character up. He's managed to appease nobody whilst alienating a fanbase in one fell swoop. Following that line of reasoning, The Daleks themselves are on wheels, so perhaps they should be replace with able bodied people as well. The cybermen are augmentist - should be able bodied also. I'm surprised they didn't race/gender swap Davros while they were at it. I had hopes for RTDs return. Sadly it looks like I'm going to have to stick with reruns. If you want great villains of different types - WRITE THEM! Please stop retconning.
Yeah RAMPANT TINY DONG obviously never heard of professor Xavier from x men or Ironside from 1967, how about batwoman/oracle
How about Edward elric, Gordi leforge
Its his problem, I can't think of many off the top of my head but there's a handful
Personally I like the disabled trope, I've walked with a walking stick for 20 years and I'm near blind without my glasses (seeing even an inch in front of me is difficult
Personally it says more that they are able to overcome their disabilities and able to do these things but then again everybody loves the villains, their motivations are always so much better than I've got to do what's right
What do we know about 56 after several minutes with her on screen, shes number 56 in the run of scientific advisors so they obviously don't have a long life and she's money hungry "I'll get a rise thanks to meeting you, I'm done here"
Who lore is a joke to these writers
Is this actually a redesign or is this just him pre-wheelchair? Cause its not like theyre editing old episodes like some Bri'ish George Lucas
i thought you were having me on, but god damn, i just saw the quote.
this is what i said on the official video:
"Ok, so, no. no, no, no. Russel, you remember when you said that only gay actors should play gay roles? you're doing it again mate.
Davros isnt evil because of his chair. You know this, i know this, we all know this. Davros is simply evil because thats who he is. A purist of the highest regard that was a clear mirror for nazi rule. The chair is just an aesthetic design to make people know he created the daleks. His time in the chair can also be construed as one of the primary things behind the daleks initial design, but the chair isnt the cause and the assumption that it is is braindead. You think of Davros, you think of his conniving intillect, puritism, hatred and psychopothy. You dont think "disabled man bad".
by the same notion, you have to scrap the daleks because they cant move without having a wheelchair of sorts. you have to scrap the cybermen because they have robotic replacement limbs and organs. you have to scrap so many iconic things in doctor who when you take this to its natural progression.
Disabled people dont need sheltering, neither do gay people, or black people, or trans people, or women, whoever you decide needs to be smothered and coddled because it might give the wrong impression, which it wont. They're not sensitive little children. Theyre human beings and they don't need you to shelter them from the past, present or future. They're fucking hardcore and they deserve to be treated like adults."
I totally understand the seintiment of "long history of diabled characters as villians" cuz it is true and it is very problematic! But its problematic becouse disabled people are ONLY shown as villian (or gays, it was the same thing with gay-coded character being only villians).
but like..... let them be evil....... being evil is fun. im not disabled , but i am queer and i love queer villians that fight agains queer heros.
propabky wheilchair users should speak, but damn i feel similiar about Davros.
it just feels werid, to earse disability rep in the name of progressivism. (and i am a leftie myself!)
If changes are being made to Davros, why not make him a woman as well?
Funny how this is the same man who made a evil cyberman leader in life support and then for the same man to write about a man on life support named my name is Max lol 😂 like come on lol 😂 the man how’s a problem with wheel chair users
Yeah it's very hypocritical lol.
Maybe russell is afraid of wheelchairs, lol. Think about it, the doctors' greatest enemies are all in wheelchairs. They are so powerful that they have destroyed many worlds, and the doctor has even tried to lock the wheelchair army, sorry I mean daleks, in a time loop prison. If davros is in a wheelchair, then every dalek is in a wheel chair lol. The wheelchairs are coming to get you russel!!!! Lol I laughing so hard I pee my pants.
You people don't understand!! Why is everybody picking on davies? Just watch every Doctor Who episode starting from 1963. Every bad guy was in a wheel chair, including the Ice warriors, Cybermen, the Weeping angels, and The Master. They're all in a wheel chairs! Right davies? So I understand. Wait a minute..... I thought davros was half dalek? I didn't know he was in a wheel chair? But I guess so.
Let's deal with a speculative scenario let's say some Child was at school getting bullied because he was in a wheel chair and they were calling him Davros. Now I think the issue in this hypothetical situation which can translate to a real life scenario is that it's not Davro's portrayal, I think it's merely peoples nastiness and malicious comparative nature & lack of decency to cause harm that effect how things in media get portrayed but that should not influence the portrayal of these characters when that was not their intended purpose just how the words of the bullies should not influence how the child becomes who they're meant to be.
Hes half dalek and human so he is disabled so whats the problem. The woman in the new episode was in a wheelchair shooting people. Is she evil. so im confused .
People come in all different shapes and sizes, there is no need to slap the "good" label on the disabled community. There are arsehole disabled people, just as there are arseholes of any category of human (if you want to even put them into categories), that is the beauty of our diverse world. Are they going to axe Daleks too? They are alien wheelchair users!
P.S I've missed your vids and I'm going to binge them now, hope everything is going well with you. Your clone (if you remember?) broke his arm, I hope you didn't end up in a similar predicament 😂
I think its more offensive towards disabled people.... What about the chick from kingsman she didnt have legs, darth vader is a quadriplegic and asthmatic, Micheal myers is mentally ill