I see it as the opposite - that Davros not only survived his lab accident, and went on to design his own travel-machine, then taking it to its ultimate expression as the Dalek travel-machine is empowering of a 'disabled' person. He didn't just survive, or wait for somebody to make him a wheelchair, or retire injured, he kept working and became the Leader in his field of research. The idea of now only using 'standing Davros' in future meetings is ridiculous - they are limited to a brief window of his life up to his accident and therefore before the Daleks, where he is basically irrelevant.
I'm also disabled and I suggest you watch the entire video before commenting. OP is not offended by this and is instead critical of how RTD deals with issues like that.
You can't just treat disabled people like regular people these days they have a certain special status different to everyone else, a certain otherness.
There's a trope of ugly=evil. But we shouldn't infantilise disabled people by representing them only as good people in media. Representation means full representation. Good and evil.
Which remains here -Bleach's gaunt scary Starey countenance is as much a trope as Davros, if not moreso. Davros mk I is badass, and while it might overlap those uncomfortable tropes, they aren't bolted on but core to who he is. A half Dalek man creating "wheelchairs" for his entire Race. At this point, you can argue the concept of Daleks themselves becomes offensive for the sa.e reasons. I liked seeing young Davros, and maybe there's a good story in the Daleks time meddling/pulling him out of his timestream, but just pretending Davros didn't happen is just bewildering if thats the route they go down.
I want to see the data, the hard data, of the throngs of wheelchair-bound individuals that were up in arms as it were over this character and the 48 years of his portrayal
You could argue that Davros is an individual with a disability and also an advocate for his kind who all have a disability that require the dalek chassis he created in order for them to function and mobilise. Davros is quite an inspirational leader when you think about it. Apart from the exterminating and all that stuff like.
RTD is thinking Davros is a disabled boy, but everyone else sees him like a crazy old man kept alive by his merger with his technology People in wheelchairs aren't all the same because they are in chairs RUSSELL I've already asked Davis what he thinks of ultimately the larger issue of the Doctor being slapped (by women) up until the Doctor presented female. How many who watch the show are disabled? How man are men or women? Why do people fail to tackle to much more affective issues than those that ultimately just affect the smallest portions of society? Doctor Who is putting out the message that it's okay for men to be hit (it's often funny in fact) as well as the general trivialisation of women's power. Wouldn't a really progressive thing to do be come out and say, "We are no longer letting characters hit the Doctor for laughs, and instead if the Doctor is hit in anyway going to make the tone of the show reflect how bad we believe violence to be"?
I have friends and family with disabilities, never thought of Davros as an offensive negative steroetype, if anything Davros in his life support travel machine shows how tenacious he is, half dead and he still will not stop. How is that offensive, its empowerment .. the fact he is a loathsome evil xenophobic maniac is a completely other matter altogether. He's a great chatacter, RTD shouldn't be allowed to undo such a historic character. A nutter walking around inventing killing machines, those are ten-a-penny, thats not special or memorable, a messed up madman in a lifesupport machine that looks scary .. thats awesome, thats a villain you'll never forget.
Daleks were genetically mutated to find the perfect killing machine, by Davros before he was severely injured and disfigured ultimately being kept alive by a life support system, NOT a wheel chair. The Cybermen evolved through necessity after Mondas, Earth's twin planet, was moved out of the sun's orbit. In order to survive, they chose to undergo replacement of organic organs and limbs for mechanical organs and limbs in order for them to survive. Two totally different ways that evil can be promulgated.
Aside: Doctor Who Magazine once noted that in 26 years of Classic Who, there were only three villainous women who did not wear trousers. Lady Penniforte was one, and I thnik one of the others was also from an historical period where trousers would never be seen on women (plus Xanxia from the Pirate Planet?). "Gender non-conformity = evil". Modern Who does less of that, but I wonder if that is just the designers leaning into a camp "girl boss" aesthetic rather than acknowledging the past and moving on.
I agree that we need more positive roles for disabled actors, but that shouldn't mean disabled actors can't play villains or that you cant have a villian who has some kind of a disability or disfugurement. There needs to be a balance. Its about not patronising your audience, which includes disabled people. I see this as a step backwards and one that I hope the production team will reconsider.
As a disabled man, I am not offended by Davros being disabled. He is a wonderful character, I think Russell T Davies is totally wrong on this. Yes I don't mind seeing pre accident Davros but to say this is him from now on is wrong. As I have said on previous comments, I decide what offends me Russell, not you!
"I should have known way back when ... because of the kids ... they called me ... Mr. Glass!" Yeah there are some stereotypes out there but I still feel this wasn't need for Davros.
Should only disabled actors play disabled characters? Of course not! Sir Patrick Stewart is one of our greatest actors. Why should a lesser actor be entrusted with such a major role simply to tick a box? I was horrified, as a fan of Steve Ditko's Doctor Strange from his first appearance back in the 60's, to see Tilda Swinton, who I only knew from Derek Jarman productions, was cast as the Ancient One. A western, fairly young female playing an exceptionally old (clues in the name) Tibetan monk. Yet somehow it worked.... Russell Tovey has played both straight and gay characters. I didn't know he was gay until after he played Frame in Voyage of the Damned, because it didn't matter. He was perfect in Being Human, Years and Years, History Boys and many more.
Thank god RTF saved us all from the scourge of endless handicapped villains like Professor X, The Chief, Oracle, Daredevil, Captain Marvel Jr, Hawkeye, Edward Elric, Geordie Laforge, and Ironside.
I think his point was moreso that there hasn't been much positive visibly disabled representation in Doctor Who to counterract the villanous examples like Davros, which I'd agree with, but seeing as he's fixing that issue with Ruth Madely and Lenny Rush's inclusions in the upcoming era, it therefore negates Davros's status as bad representation and makes less sense as to why he's making the change, at least imo
@@picklesparkerreviews If he kept Davros mobile for this one-off I would't mind so much, since it's easy to say it was before the injuries. But to then say he will be like that for all time completely negates what I see as his inspiration for the Daleks. It isn't a wheelchair, it was a mobile life support system. I can't think of any other wheelchair-bound characters in DW offhand (new character excepted), but I also never heard anyone say they were offended that the greatest villain in Whoniverse history was in a wheelchair, because he's still a creepy ass evil genius mad scientist that created the worst alien race ever. Now he looks like any of dozens of other Who villains wearing black. Bland and uninteresting.
I once saw a movie where 99 % of the time the monster wasn't shown and you know what ruined it - Both me and my friend agree was showing the monster. Davros just been an able man is the same.
I disagree, while I understand the point that had he died in Genesis it would've made complete sense for his character to be a one and done, I absolutely love Terry Malloy's take on the character, praticular in the Big Finish audios which if you haven't listened to I would highly reccomend them. Particularly the self-titled audio 'Davros' with him and Colin Baker, which is truly sublime and the best use of Davros outside of Genesis imo.
I see it as the opposite - that Davros not only survived his lab accident, and went on to design his own travel-machine, then taking it to its ultimate expression as the Dalek travel-machine is empowering of a 'disabled' person.
He didn't just survive, or wait for somebody to make him a wheelchair, or retire injured, he kept working and became the Leader in his field of research.
The idea of now only using 'standing Davros' in future meetings is ridiculous - they are limited to a brief window of his life up to his accident and therefore before the Daleks, where he is basically irrelevant.
It was never offensive
The hell?
I'm disabled & this never ven occured to me lol. It's really time to stop looking for things to be offended
I'm also disabled and I suggest you watch the entire video before commenting. OP is not offended by this and is instead critical of how RTD deals with issues like that.
You can't just treat disabled people like regular people these days they have a certain special status different to everyone else, a certain otherness.
There's a trope of ugly=evil. But we shouldn't infantilise disabled people by representing them only as good people in media. Representation means full representation. Good and evil.
Which remains here -Bleach's gaunt scary Starey countenance is as much a trope as Davros, if not moreso.
Davros mk I is badass, and while it might overlap those uncomfortable tropes, they aren't bolted on but core to who he is. A half Dalek man creating "wheelchairs" for his entire Race. At this point, you can argue the concept of Daleks themselves becomes offensive for the sa.e reasons.
I liked seeing young Davros, and maybe there's a good story in the Daleks time meddling/pulling him out of his timestream, but just pretending Davros didn't happen is just bewildering if thats the route they go down.
Nabil Shaban's contribution to the Vengance on Varos DVD commentary is worth a listen.
I want to see the data, the hard data, of the throngs of wheelchair-bound individuals that were up in arms as it were over this character and the 48 years of his portrayal
You could argue that Davros is an individual with a disability and also an advocate for his kind who all have a disability that require the dalek chassis he created in order for them to function and mobilise. Davros is quite an inspirational leader when you think about it. Apart from the exterminating and all that stuff like.
RTD is thinking Davros is a disabled boy, but everyone else sees him like a crazy old man kept alive by his merger with his technology
People in wheelchairs aren't all the same because they are in chairs RUSSELL
I've already asked Davis what he thinks of ultimately the larger issue of the Doctor being slapped (by women) up until the Doctor presented female. How many who watch the show are disabled? How man are men or women? Why do people fail to tackle to much more affective issues than those that ultimately just affect the smallest portions of society? Doctor Who is putting out the message that it's okay for men to be hit (it's often funny in fact) as well as the general trivialisation of women's power. Wouldn't a really progressive thing to do be come out and say, "We are no longer letting characters hit the Doctor for laughs, and instead if the Doctor is hit in anyway going to make the tone of the show reflect how bad we believe violence to be"?
Shocker gay man doesn't understand disability..
I have friends and family with disabilities, never thought of Davros as an offensive negative steroetype, if anything Davros in his life support travel machine shows how tenacious he is, half dead and he still will not stop. How is that offensive, its empowerment .. the fact he is a loathsome evil xenophobic maniac is a completely other matter altogether. He's a great chatacter, RTD shouldn't be allowed to undo such a historic character. A nutter walking around inventing killing machines, those are ten-a-penny, thats not special or memorable, a messed up madman in a lifesupport machine that looks scary .. thats awesome, thats a villain you'll never forget.
First they came for the redheads
I said nothing because I'm not a redhead
Then they came for Davros
I said EXTERMINATE because I'm a Dalek
Daleks were genetically mutated to find the perfect killing machine, by Davros before he was severely injured and disfigured ultimately being kept alive by a life support system, NOT a wheel chair. The Cybermen evolved through necessity after Mondas, Earth's twin planet, was moved out of the sun's orbit. In order to survive, they chose to undergo replacement of organic organs and limbs for mechanical organs and limbs in order for them to survive. Two totally different ways that evil can be promulgated.
Aside: Doctor Who Magazine once noted that in 26 years of Classic Who, there were only three villainous women who did not wear trousers. Lady Penniforte was one, and I thnik one of the others was also from an historical period where trousers would never be seen on women (plus Xanxia from the Pirate Planet?). "Gender non-conformity = evil". Modern Who does less of that, but I wonder if that is just the designers leaning into a camp "girl boss" aesthetic rather than acknowledging the past and moving on.
The Daleks were based on Davros's life support chair
I agree that we need more positive roles for disabled actors, but that shouldn't mean disabled actors can't play villains or that you cant have a villian who has some kind of a disability or disfugurement.
There needs to be a balance.
Its about not patronising your audience, which includes disabled people.
I see this as a step backwards and one that I hope the production team will reconsider.
Is Dalekmobile Davros offensive? After due consideration, I think the two most appropriate words are "Hell" and "No." thank you for your time.
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As a disabled man, I am not offended by Davros being disabled. He is a wonderful character, I think Russell T Davies is totally wrong on this. Yes I don't mind seeing pre accident Davros but to say this is him from now on is wrong.
As I have said on previous comments, I decide what offends me Russell, not you!
Are the cybermen next going to be offensive to no one like the Davros character?
They might offend the A.I robot community!
"I should have known way back when ... because of the kids ... they called me ... Mr. Glass!"
Yeah there are some stereotypes out there but I still feel this wasn't need for Davros.
Should only disabled actors play disabled characters? Of course not! Sir Patrick Stewart is one of our greatest actors. Why should a lesser actor be entrusted with such a major role simply to tick a box?
I was horrified, as a fan of Steve Ditko's Doctor Strange from his first appearance back in the 60's, to see Tilda Swinton, who I only knew from Derek Jarman productions, was cast as the Ancient One. A western, fairly young female playing an exceptionally old (clues in the name) Tibetan monk. Yet somehow it worked....
Russell Tovey has played both straight and gay characters. I didn't know he was gay until after he played Frame in Voyage of the Damned, because it didn't matter. He was perfect in Being Human, Years and Years, History Boys and many more.
Thank god RTF saved us all from the scourge of endless handicapped villains like Professor X, The Chief, Oracle, Daredevil, Captain Marvel Jr, Hawkeye, Edward Elric, Geordie Laforge, and Ironside.
I think his point was moreso that there hasn't been much positive visibly disabled representation in Doctor Who to counterract the villanous examples like Davros, which I'd agree with, but seeing as he's fixing that issue with Ruth Madely and Lenny Rush's inclusions in the upcoming era, it therefore negates Davros's status as bad representation and makes less sense as to why he's making the change, at least imo
@@picklesparkerreviews If he kept Davros mobile for this one-off I would't mind so much, since it's easy to say it was before the injuries. But to then say he will be like that for all time completely negates what I see as his inspiration for the Daleks. It isn't a wheelchair, it was a mobile life support system.
I can't think of any other wheelchair-bound characters in DW offhand (new character excepted), but I also never heard anyone say they were offended that the greatest villain in Whoniverse history was in a wheelchair, because he's still a creepy ass evil genius mad scientist that created the worst alien race ever. Now he looks like any of dozens of other Who villains wearing black. Bland and uninteresting.
It's a story. There's a reason he's in there...
If we thought Chris Chibnall and Jodie Whittaker was bad, I’ve a horrible feeling Russell T Davies and Ncuti Gatwa is going to be worse.
No.
Next.
No..only to Russel t davis and his self created echo chamber at bad wolf studios.
I once saw a movie where 99 % of the time the monster wasn't shown and you know what ruined it - Both me and my friend agree was showing the monster.
Davros just been an able man is the same.
Davros without his unique appearance is utterly disappointing and underwhelming. All undone in the name of woke identity political bullshit.
If nothing else it’ll give him something different Davros was only good in Genesis and Journeys End. Other than that he’s been rubbish.
I disagree, while I understand the point that had he died in Genesis it would've made complete sense for his character to be a one and done, I absolutely love Terry Malloy's take on the character, praticular in the Big Finish audios which if you haven't listened to I would highly reccomend them. Particularly the self-titled audio 'Davros' with him and Colin Baker, which is truly sublime and the best use of Davros outside of Genesis imo.