"Which means Flukemarm is connonically a milf" still gets me every time I see this. It's the perfect blend of out of left field and technically correct to strike a few chords
That's D&D level story telling, let the player come up with the story and act like that was the original as you quickly cross out your notes and rewrite some encounters
29:29 take a close look at the endings where you don't fight the radiance, AKA, where the knight takes on the task of containing the infection. Note how in these endings the chains of the seal react immideatley and start to restrain the knight. I believe the seal reacts to the vessel that is currently containing the radiance, since it was made speciffically for the purpouse of containing it. That would explain why the hollow knight was able to leave the seal in the new endings, because if the radiance no longer exists, then it is just no more than an empty vessel, and the seal stops working on it. Just a thought tho.
"We shall be listening closely" Since the godmasters live in silence without gods, them _listening_ to you suggests they start acknowledging you as a god
@@Kl00k606 it was stated in the game that wyrms created and ruled over kingdoms in multiple parts of the land, maybe one died and from it's corpse this flowers emerged, that's why they are pale, not for the king, but from another wyrm
Fragile does not mean inert, in fact being fragile sometimes is what makes things powerful. Uranium is so fragile it splits itself, showering everything in lethal doses of radiation.
Curious, because the description says that the fragile flower had Pale Light, and the Stag told the Knight that the Pale King never rode in a Stag before. And the Pale King was from an unknown land as the flower.
I mean, he worships the idea? Theory? What if they initially assumed the likelihood of embodied and focused darkness, but could not achieve the necessary conditions to translate it in real? Therefore, they worshiped the concept of a possible deity in the future, while not having a real Lord of Shades?
@@farresalt4381 The void tendrils also popped up when you got close to where they were. Therefore, void had some mind already. It is possible the Shade Lord controlled these. He also roared against the Radiance when the vessels were young, meaning he existed to some extent a long time ago.
@@KaroxNightshade maybe the radiance actually attempted to destroy the vessels before they were completed and what was left of the shade lord avoided it. I say this because the shade lord in his prime took the absolute radiance like a bitch, maybe the reason it is just regular radiance is because the shade lord beat the crap out of her in a moment? Idk there is a lot to think about
Brian Machado This theory gave me a new view on things. It is very possible that that being is the previous attempt at victory over the radiance. I find this theory refreshing and new, as most theories have been said a thousand times
Also, lets not forget. Zote can forcefully invade godhome through the sheer power of his ego. And Bretta can create a god through sheer power of her fangirling.
"False god conjured by the lonely" yeah dont beat grey prince zote and he wont appear in the Pantheon lmao hes just a boss that feels bullshit bc you know he sucks ass
With this Pure Vessel Dream Nail dialogue, it becomes clear what the Path of Pain is. Why there's a Seal of Binding on it. What it represents. The memory at the end of the Path of Pain isn't the Pale King's, its the Hollow Knight's. Its the most precious moment of its whole life, where its crazy ass father opened up to it....and incidentally fucked everything up by bestowing an idea onto it, making the Hollow Knight not hollow. The Path of Pain is both representative of the Hollow Knight's anguish at holding this precious memory close and corrupting itself while also trying to preserve it, which explains both how hard it is to get there (both to protect the memory from outsiders like the Radiance/Dream beings as well as to keep itself from thinking about it, from thinking not and feeling not) as well as the Seal of Binding placed at the start. To preserve something of great importance and to bind a great power, love adoration familial affection etc. Also the Sealed Vessel theme plays throughout, indicating this place being of importance and related directly to the Hollow Knight. Path of Pain lore expansion is just the gift that keeps on giving! Hope we get even more fleshed out when the Hornet/Hollow Knight buddy cop DLC drops!
Goddamit every time I read more about the Hollow Knight it just makes me sadder. That poor thing wasn't allowed a single nice thing in their entire existence jfc
It could also make sense for it to be an actual part of the palace, because the king couldn't really tell if they had a mind, so he at least could've tested their physical abilities. He probably didn't want any of his subjects wandering in, either. The hollow knight seemingly completed the path, and at the end, you said what happened. The seal of binding being there is confusing to me, because it's hornet's seal.
13:42 I’ve always thought Vessels are naturally supposed to grow to that size, considering how tall the White Lady and how big PK’s Wyrm form is. Plus, Broken Vessel is about twice the size of the Knight, and has presumably been out of the Abyss longer, and has had the chance to grow.
I'd say that makes sense, but if they were all born around the same time, wouldn't they all be about the same age? Including the Knight and the Broken Vessel? My own guess is that they all have the potential to grow to Broken Vessel's size, but most don't. Chalk it up to a lack of training or a lack of proper nutrition or whatever. I'd say that whatever the underlying reason, it's probably similar to why most humans don't become body builders.
@@hobbyist518 true. but the knight did come from outside hallownest, and considering hallownest gives the bugs their intelligence and whatnot it wouldnt surprise me that the PKs influence could maybe change how his children grow?
@@waxocelot9395 i would argue that it definitely seems like the horns should grow, though. in addition, it's slightly physically taller than the knight and has a more rounded head, perhaps implying that the vessels' heads become more angular as they grow up.
One more extremely interesting thing to note, In the abyss where you get the shade cloak if you dreamnail the dead bug holding the bowl of void he says "Lord of Shades..." Which makes it seem that the shade lord did in fact exist before hallownest
One more detail you're missing, it says that IF you have void heart, if you don't it says "power without unity" this may mean that the hollow knight IS the lord of shade, gaining void heart gives them the power of complete void godhood, like the description first read of the knight "void given mind"
Moss, in the endings A and B it looks like the chains activate when they find the presence of an infected vessel or something like that, so maybe by defeating Abs Rad and stopping the infection the chains simply go back to where they were, so that HK boi is free.
That's actually a lot better than my theory TBH. I thought maybe the Hollow Knight himself had somehow chained himself, due to him clearly having enough self awareness to stab himself in a futile attempt to kill the Radiance/Infection in the boss fight vs Hollow Knight, therefore maybe he was sealing himself with whatever small mental capacity he had left. When the Radiance dies he was fully aware of the Infection being gone and can thus free himself. I completely forgot that unless the Knight also somehow understood this, the Knight gets chained up in the other endings.
When Mato came after you beat Oro is so wholesome. No fight or argument they had could stop them from helping each other when theyre in trouble, those are true brothers.
@@meleamendez6221 mean, if you think about it, they both take pride in teaching the knight, and if having to team up to defeat your student isn't an indication of how well you've taught them, what is lol So yes, quite wholesome actually lmao
"Upcoming hornet DLC" Ah how strange it is hearing that knowing now that it's a full on new game. Man I'm hype for silksong, hope they give a release date some time soon.
It's interesting that Godhome is in dreams and the two gods who are most attuned to dream Essence "NKG and Radiance" are both knowingly affected by it. Grimm acknowledges that he was summoned there. And Radiance, since her entire existence is in the dream realm, will actually die if killed in God home. This should free the Hollow Knight too.
It also makes sense for Grimm not to die when you defeat him in a pantheon: - For normal Grimm, he simply goes away from godhome and resumes doing whatever he was doing prior, either tending to the ritual or sleeping, he will return to godhome when he's called upon again by the godseekers. - For the Nightmare king, I think you do kill him when you defeat in the pantheon, but the nightmare's heart, which is the true god of the nightmare realm (Grimm is just its servant, even in his Nightmare King form, as he's a king, not a god). So Grimm is killed, but the Nightmare Heart simply doesn't allow him to die in that way, as that death would not serve Grimm's purpose in the ritual as the father to burn in order to feed the child. Instead, when you defeat Grimm in his NKG form in the main game, you complete the ritual and so the Nightmare Heart lets him die to feed the child, then the troupe moves away from Hallownest. - Otherwise, it's just gameplay but speculating about pointless things is fun
@@filipporapetti9354 Grimm is a god, just like Vengefly King and Massive Moss Charger. Just because he is a servant, doesn't mean he can't be a god. Interesting take though
11:53-12:02 "What's the deal with Sly's voice? Does Team Cherry just let any random person off the street record lines for these characters?" *Graig* ( Team Cherry's lead play tester and voice of Sly ): *Sad Graig Noises intensify*
Honestly I'm hoping the Shade Lord isn't the antagonist of the Hornet dlc because I really like the idea of a) Being an overpowered eldritch abomination a la Kirby b) Being friends with an overpowered eldritch abomination, yet again a la Kirby
When I first saw the cutscene of all of the Vessels in the Abyss, I had a feeling that was the soon-to-be-Hollow Knight and "Little Ghost" acknowledging the fact that they were siblings, and the closest to family they could find. The two in particular being in a metaphorical spotlight cements that they're the only ones left in all of Hallownest. The Void covering the screen in response to the Radiance displays how they were specifically created to defeat the latter after being claimed by the Void itself. In the case of the Hollow Knight leaving the Temple of the Black Egg, I think the reason for the dragging chains is just the fact that it wasn't cut down first. In the original game, you have to destroy the anchors to all of the chains as well as the seals binding them there, after which Hollow itself throws off whatever's left before the boss battle starts. Since the Infection is gone and the Hollow Knight has, effectively, lived out its purpose, the seals fall apart and the chain anchors along with them. With how far the Hollow Knight has fallen, it doesn't even have the strength given by the Infection to get rid of the remaining chains. Hell, it must've been barely able to hold itself up long enough to retrieve its nail, if only to use it as a crutch to drag itself outside. Hornet was probably only surprised by the Hollow Knight's arrival because of the fact that it could come out to begin with. Odds are, she'll realize pretty quick that it isn't under the control of any outside force (unless it's there to save their sibling). Personally, I'm looking forward to what kind of role the Hollow Knight may play if Team Cherry goes further down this road, what with it being freed and able to now walk alongside its half-sister. Who knows? Maybe since it's been proven that the Hollow Knight is in fact sentient and able to do everything it specifically wasn't meant to do, they'll even give it a proper voice.
I really like this one. just have the hollow knight primitively walking everywhere trying to help, kinda like how the knight basically walks around running errands for everyone.
@@shadowstar8619 Well, it is probably going to be a different map than in Hollow Knight, plus a bigger map would be more suited to a character that can swing around like Spiderman.
The Hunter's notes for the Fungling reveal that when the Hunter was young, he and his brothers and sisters used to hunt each other in the nest. He states that he now hunts alone :( rip
The dung defender probably chained the godseeker up, you need a simple key to get into the waterways so it would make sense that he'd have a simple lock handy, plus it's also his area and he probably thought the godseeker would be worshipped and tried to stop that so that the pale king was the only one worshipped.
The way you get into waterways is not by unlocking some generic lock but rather using that weird shrine thingy that requires the key. I don't know what it is, but it certainly isn't similar to the one on the cocoon.
@@nobodycares1065 I'm not talking about gameplay. Yes it is a regular lock and functions like every other lock. What I'm talking about is that it isn't the kind of lock that is on the cocoon of the godseeker. It looks different. That's all.
@@nonary3731 I don't think the flower can withstand a travel via dream from a physical world to a dream world if it can't even stand a travel from 1 physical place to another physical place via dream.
11:48 I’m pretty sure in Sly’s house in Dirtmouth, after learning all three nail arts, he says something about remaining pupils. This almost confirms he taught a lot, and had a lot of other people in which he trained, but so many of them actually died, and with that, their art.
the hollow knight is able to free himself from the chains because the chains themselves are too weak to hold him. when you start the HK fight he breaks out of the remaining chains holding him up easily. whats actually keeping him imprisoned is a seal of binding. the chains the player breaks before fighting him have some sort of energy around them. this culminates in the seal of binding that prevents the player from damaging him. the seal of binding detected that the radiance was defeated and faded away. allowing the hollow knight to break free of the meager chains.
Dah Derpy Guy but why is hornet there? And why does the hollow knight approach her ? Why does he stick his nail in the ground but hornet attacks? ( to me it looks like the hollow knight is injured or using his nail to hold himself up )
@@gh0stgamez424 Horny is there probably waiting for knight to fight HK. She is in the door of Black egg temple so in the way of HK. He just woke up from being sick. He probably feels a little bad after that. That my opinion
makes sense can't disagree with that and hornet probably gets ready / attacks him because she probably thinks he is still infected and is hostile because of it ( imagine if in the hornet DLC we will be able to talk 2 the HK and learn shit from him )
The Godseekers' claim that they're trying to "attain communion" with a "great power sleeping in the kingdoms heart" also sounds like a better description of the void then the Radiance, who is at the uppermost edge of the kingdom fighting like hell to break free of the bindings of the Hollow Knights mind. The Godseeker may have been brought to Hallownest by a call from the void. Void-based creatures can communicate telepathically (the Hollow Knight awakening the Knight and starting the player's quest) and we know the Pale King attempted (with some success) to master the void. Perhaps the Godseeker mistook one for the other and in it's confusion, upon finding the Pale King 'erased', decided to settle for the Radiance until the Knight revealed the void, unified under their will and given focus by the Godseeker.
Tbh, I always thought Hollow Knight got freed by the egg itself. We did see that the Black Egg does seem to be able to operate on its own (and maybe even have some sort of a mind?), so it is possible that once Radience died, the Black Egg just freed the HK since it had no reason to have him sealed anymore
I finally just beat everything in Hollow Knight, of course ending with the last parts of Godmaster because that's the hardest stuff. Finally beat Radiant Absolute Radiance and just today beat the 5th Pantheon with the last binding. I've been putting off this video until I beat all of that, and now what better reward could I ask for than to finally be able to watch this video, spoiler-free. I'm so pumped! Thank you, Mossbag!
Dude congrats on beating P5 with bindings. It took me forever to beat it plain and then I just noped out of there. Might try again someday for the weathered mask but goddamn.
I always thought the Shade Lord looks just like the Hunter, who also has similar limbs to the Hollow Knight. Maybe the Hunter has more to do with the void than we ever could have guessed?
That would be very amusing, because one of the modes hints that the knight actually enjoys the thrill of combat after becoming the shadelord, meaning he is a battle junkie, much like the hunter who enjpys the thrill of the hunt and understands the world around him by doing so, a trait that he kinda somewhat passes on to the knight.
@@noticeme6412 yeah, i know, its hard to have a gender if you got killed as a newborn and shortly after, got revived and turned undead by an eldritch force... Perhaps i was too lazy to write "they"
@@noticeme6412 Dude, I have such a hard time with that. I'm not a native English speaker, I speak Spanish. And there's no 'gender neutral' way of speaking in Spanish. You say "la vasija" (the vessel), but that implies it is a girl. "El caballero" (The Knight) o "El pequeño fantasma" (Little Ghost), that implies it's a dude. Thus I just associate the Knight as a dude even though it doesn't HAVE a gender and it just fucks me up-
If the infection is gone, why would Hollow Knight stay in its chains? It seems obvious to me that the chains destroyed themselves at the same time as the Radiance: the Pale King thought of Hollow Knight as his child, it makes sense that he would devise a failsafe to the prison if the infection disappears, so that Hollow can be free
hi this is about the hollow Knight escaping the chains if you remember when you defeat the radiance the black egg temple completely dissolves so if the radiance is no longer a thing then the black egg temple is no longer a thing so the chains probably no longer exist
You can see in the cutscene that the black egg is still there. I like to think that the chains existed there to contain the infection, but since the radiance had been destroyed, the power that strengthened them probably weakened which allowed the hollow knight to free itself
Great video! I do have one disagreement. I personally believe that the god seeker is absolutely terrified and is in a state of shock caused by fear during the last cinematic. My first piece of evidence is that she was clearly looking for the radiance throughout the whole dlc. She just saw the radiance get completely destroyed. While most bosses in the pantheon are defeated so that the knight can attune to them, the radiance is just dead and that terrifies and disappoints her in my opinion. Also the noises she makes sound more like whimpering to me and the way the godseeker in the junk pit seems to shake like someone trying to hold on to life I think supports this. Finally, the much sadder music that plays during the delicate flower ending makes me think that this is supposed to be a tragic scene of the godseeker holding on to a small gift from the knight while what she perceives as the knight destroys her from the inside. That’s why she clutches it so close while she is being consumed. Anyway, that’s just my opinion, congrats on 10k!
My interpretation is that the Godseeker fears you and is trying to kiss up to you. If Ghengis Khan knocked on your front door with an army of Monglols, you would kiss up to him too, or be killed.
I think it's specifically pointed out that the shade lord is the void given focus basically i think that the void itself is its true form while a void given focus gains an actual "Form" just a thought though.
They should have made to where your spells could make Uumuu vulnerable. You'd still have to risk damage via the jellyfish minions, but you wouldn't have to try to bait them
My idea of what is going on with the shade lord is that it's a hivemind, controlled by the knight and his voidheart, made of all the shades of the failed vessels and the hollow knight. The shades are in effect the void's version of a soul, which makes sense to me as I always saw void as being the antithesis of soul. The fact that it can create "souls", the collector and HK having a personality (to far different degrees), and the ability to program it to create constructs shows that the void, while it doesn't have conciousness to start with, readily accepts it and may even be meant to have it. Perhaps it even consumes and empties creatures in an attempt to make their consciousness it's own? Anyway, I mention that because I believe that despite what the white lady says, The knight is not perfect, and has developed a mind of his own through experience. The simple fact that you're able to screw around on sidequests alludes to this, as a thoughtless entity wouldn't desire those things and so they wouldn't be game options unless the knight actually wanted to do them. I think that the Knight's personality is a reflection of the player's. Extremly curious, combat-loving, and focused on becoming powerful and heroic. Him becoming the Shade lord, given total power, fused with the minds and wills of his semi-conscious brethren, becoming a fully-formed personality and a powerful being, it's the fulfillment of his every desire. This also means that the shade lord probably isn't evil. Assuming that due to the voidheart the knight is still in complete control, it would make no sense for him to bring suffering upon the kingdom he worked to save. Instead he may work to become the new god of hallownest, which could go wonderfully, as those void-worshipping ancients seem to have been pretty advanced, or terribly, as it did with the Radiance and her infection. Whatever it is, I just like to think that this character you've been playing as isn't just a thoughtless shell, and gets himself a good ending to his tale, as he deserves.
i think that the gods attunement made the knight go back into it's prime form, before it got separated from the sea of void in the abyss, when the void was united completely, before part of it was injected into the eggs
I love your theory and the ending: "I like to think the character we play as has a personality" deal, cause I agree with you. The Knight being able to do sidequests, and do random shit the players do like summon Salubra, play in the rain in the City of Tears, bonking Bardoon's tail, beating up Millibelle to get their Geo back, etc. marks a personality, and the fact that Nosk turned into Hornet in Godhome means that the Knight has grown to care about her, too.
So, I’m a gamer mom...not into playing at all...my son just showed me this and I’m absolutely enchanted! Terrific video... my mind is spinning! Thank you. I loved it!!!
Why feel the need to add you don't play yourself? Get lost, stay far away from this community, your mindset is becoming a relic of the past more and more
The Shadelord is the knight. If you use the awakened nail on the statue that gives you the shade cloak, it will read 'void, power without unity' and dreamnail it again with the void heart, it will read 'lord of shades' instead. Another thing is that while the knight obtained the void heart and unified the shades, the knight was simply a part of the void. The shadelord however is a personification of the void itself, with the knight given control over the void and godly focus to direct it to that form. This leads me to believe that it is the knight roaring at the end of the fourth pantheon as foreshadowing of its true power
"I don't wanna have all this spoiled for me. I'm gonna try to finally beat the pantheon of the sage." Grey Prince Zote. "Nope. Nevermind. Gonna watch this video instead."
I want to think that the HK will fight for hallownest with Hornet in some way. I believe the pale king planned this all along, that his dream was to free his people from being always under some god's rule and in control of their power. Since the radiance was using his kingdom as a battleground and if defeated, the void would have no enemy to defy it, I think the king raised the HK and gave him the mission to protect his kingdom, he gave him hope on purpose, knowing it' be strong enough to dedeat the infection but to eventually be consumed by his hope, needing a replacement. However, having that in mind, since our knight defeated the radiance and freed HK from it, he' still have the intentions to fight for his kingdom. It isn't as farfetched since the king DID see our knight climb up allomg with HK, but decided to ignore us, he was cold amd emotionless towards us, maybe in purpose as well? Could the HK betray the place he was born from and help hornet to defeat the shade lord for the sake of the kingdom? After all, we know he does have those feelings. Anyways, fantastic video! I love Hollow knight's lore and I love discussing about it. Team cherry always seems to be a step above us, so I'm trying to guess what they're gonna be up to, and I'm all up for some HK badassness being on the good side thanks to what the king taught him.
Its a nice observation about pale king having planned all of this beforehand,I've heard theories that he could have some kind of future prediction powers. Maybe he knew that HK couldn't hold the radiance, so he locked the knight inside the abyss, so he could escape the abyss, and exiting the kingdom. Since the vessels are not bugs, they could function outside the Hallownest.Hornet herself said that the knight had another kind of emptiness. With this emptiness added to its own and the combats through Hallownest, little ghost managed to get strong enough to defy the higher beings. Maybe each ending is a possible future seen by the pale king, without the void heart the worst scenario, and the defeat of radiance the best one. But I dont think the Pale King wanted to free the bugs in that way,since it seems that wyrms attracting bugs and making them submit to them is what they do. Idk if this is just my opinion, but the Pale King seems to see the kingdom more like a object or something he needs or somethings he owns, rather than individuals. Radiance is just his competitor, its not about saving the kingdom, but about securing a resource, in this case bugs. Then, the Pale King probably knew about the true nature of the void. My theory is that the black substance we see the void take form in the game, is the remains of a former higher being that was worshiped before Hallownest.What happened to this god? Idk, maybe like Unn its powers just faded with time, maybe radiance managed to weaken him into this liquid form and trapped in the abyss, maybe before dealing with radiance, the pale king dealt with the void, or the pale king seek the void and trapped it in the abyss in this liquid form to use it to make the vessels. One thing that makes this interesting, its that we have more proof of the nature of the void. Most would think that PK would be desperate because of the infection, what if the reason of the desperation was because he was using void as material?Maybe he thought that dealing with void would be too risky in normal circumstances, but he took the risk because he needed to defeat the radiance. Maybe he took the risk because he knew it would need something godly to revert the void to its prime state,so without a higher being, or maybe a higher being's light(idk if the white lady, Unn or Grimm have the light that can give bugs a mind like the hive mind from Radiance, or the individual mind of the PK) it couldn't be done. But he didn't counted on the godseeker attunement and their focus, that like it was said in the video, with help from the void heart, managed to awaken the shade lord. And these are my thoughts about it. Really liked your comment, gave me a lot of ideas to think and I also have to say thanks for the video mossbag, you made a great analysis and gathered a lot of information, I didn't know about the cutscene with the vessels after you beat pure vessel, or that one about godseeker's memory. That was fun, I love discussing lore
wait if hornet is just a half-god/higher being, are the vessels, the knight and the hollow knight full gods/higher beings fused with void making them higher beings plus plus?
"Of Root. Of God. Of Void." I think that's how it goes. The physical forms of the vessels were birthed of the union between the Pale King and the Pale Lady, then they were dropped into the abyss as eggs, where their minds/souls/consciousnesses were carved out of them and replaced with Void. As far as I know, only two vessels managed to be both functional and alive by the time of the game: the Hollow Knight and the Knight. The Broken Vessel did manage to escape the abyss, but it was hollowed out and piloted by the infection by that point so I'm not going to count it as alive. Though technically, the same could be said of the Hollow Knight...Congratulations on being the only living AND functional Vessel, Knight!
I'm 27 mins into this video and it seems you forget that zote is a higher being now thanks to the eternal ordeal battle. Edit: you didnt forget. But you didnt mention that the title card appeared for zote. The same type of card that appears for the Nightmare King and the radiance. Even if this area is a joke, Team Cherry would need to outright state this minigame is not canon and they dont seem to enjoy saying things are or aren't canonical. So this is just allowing us to say Zote is a higher being.
Maybe not since the description for the grey prince states "false god of the lonely" so Zote is still below everyone and everything in Hallownest even the Gruz Mother is more of a god than Zote
It's not much of a new revelation really, I already knew Zote was a higher being the moment I saw the ethereal look in his eyes after bravely combating the mighty vengfly
One of the most entertaining lore channels I’ve watched, love all of it! Actually wasn’t even going to pick up the game but then I found all this awesome lore and now I’ve got to have it
The dream nail dialogue for the Pure Vessel is interesting, and it makes me sad for his eventual fate. My thoughts are that he was chosen, bonded with the pale king, then tried to force himself to have ‘no mind to think, no will to break’, and ‘no voice to cry suffering’. However, because his bond with his father gave him substance of some sort, he failed and became infected.
What i want to believe in that ending, specifically with Hollow meeting Hornet, is that when he regained consciousness, he became super friendly after feeling the presence of the Shade Lord that obliterated the Absolute Radiance. And it's here where I believe where a possible third game may exist where you play as THE FIRST HOLLOW KNIGHT with the aid of Hornet to combat the Shade Lord. I may even call Hollow the False Hollow Knight as he was not truly hollow and devoid of thought, whereas our Knight is the true hollow knight that could invoke the shade lord.
When hitting the chozo statue in the abyss that gives you the shade cloak after obtaining the void heart, it calls the knight the “lord of shades”, pretty much confirming that the void creature the knight becomes to kill the radiance is called the shade lord since it has total control over the void and the abyss.
17:13 Here’s the full text: "It’s also with pointing out that the object you hit to activate Lifeblood is a dream catcher. People have pointed out that the Lifeblood room in the Abyss has dream catcher particles in the background. So this update does strengthen the idea that Lifeblood is somehow connected to dreams or to the dream world in some way." You're welcome.
There is one thing I love. Nosk’s whole thing is that he turns into loved ones of the people he hunts. Originally it was the knight because he didn’t hold anyone close. However in god home he turns into hornet. That makes me think that the knight holds hornet close to itself. He truly isn’t hollow.
To quote Angriest Pat: "Weaponizing void seems like a bad solution to a worse problem." Although if the God of Gods/Lord Shade is still The Knight, I hope there's some chance it ends up being a benevolent force rather than a hostile one. Same with the Hollow Knight, I hope he's sane now. It'd be nice if he and Hornet didn't have to fight.
You know what they say “absolute power corrupts absolutly.” Wouldn’t be surprising if the knight started to feel emotion after his adventures and the godseekers focusing on him thus giving something for the immense power he holds to corrupt. That or the void has a mind perviously before its downfall to liquidity and that that mind has been reawaken.
well here's my 2 cents. I feel like the shadow lord is simply all the vessels fused together to form something greater then their parts. In the dream no more ending your siblings come up and hold the radiance down while you beat the crap out of her and then in the ending cutscene you see all the shades of the abyss looking up before fading into rest. However after the 4th trial in godmaster you see all the discarded vessels and the pure vessels look up when the radiance's light shines down on them and I think the resulting roar is all of them as one roaring back. (heh, the abyss finally given a voice you could say). Then during the absolute radiance fight the abyss is still rising and when you go in to deal the final blow the knight seems to merge with the abyss and then the shadow lord is born. After all the pale king said it himself when you go to grab the void heart charm. the vessels were made of soul, root, and abyss. The pale king gave the abyss a mind, a soul, and the god seekers gave it's splintered psyche focus. well that's my theory anyways.
What if, when the Shade Lord escapes, all of it reforms into it's last known form, The Knight. And what if there was a boss fight with The Knight in the Hornet DLC?! That would be so badass!
Michael Edblom that’s pretty much what Mossbag suggests as a possibility. So you don’t need to say it as it’s basically one of Daddy Mossbag’s theories
To add onto the shade Lord stuff, when you dream nail the weird fountain creature in the Abyss after getting the void heart it reads “Lord of Shades”. I wonder if that has any connection to what’s happening in Godhome....
@@clayxros576 That moment when you trap yourself with a supposed DLC of a weak character fighting a god, so you just ditch the DLC and make a new game instead so you dont have to come up with bullshit for how hornet can defeat the shade lord
hello good sir she just needs to eat like 10 pale lords to absorb the pale soul to be powerful enough to be called the LORD OF PALES and then destroy the lord of shades
For your issue with the Hollow Knight being able to break out of it's own chains, it's pretty clear the Hollow Knight has a formidable amount of strength on its own. The Seal of Binding over it's chains are likely what's actually keeping it in place, and that seal was likely created specifically to combat and trap the Radiance. Perhaps after the Radiance and thus the infection are destroyed, the chains become as weak as normal chains as the binding in this case would be dispelled. This would allow the Hollow Knight to just break out of it's bindings, as it does once you break the bindings in the base game fight. This is all speculation of course, but it'd make sense considering the Seal of Binding seems to be an invention of the Pale King himself rather than some remnant of the ancient civilization that he doesn't have full control of since we find the schematics for the seal within the Pale King's own palace rather than somewhere like the Abyss.
It took me a minute to realize why defeating the radiance in godhome actually defeats the radiance. But if you think about it, it makes sense. The radiance is a dream boss, and is the only one that only exists in the dream world, and when you defeat it before (in the first fight) in the dream world, it dies. So when you’re fighting the pure knight you enter the hollow knight's dream world to kill the radiance, the only difference is that you’re fighting a dream version of the hollow knight so you don’t actually kill the physical version of him. Which leads me to wonder, does the godtuner let the godseekers get into other bug’s minds the same way we do with the dream nail? Nevertheless, it makes sense now and great video by the way!
I think you are wrong and overthinking it, the game states several times that one thing is dying, but true death is to be forgotten, this cleary ties to the fact that Radiance's dream nail dialogue reads "I WON'T BE FORGOTEN" it's clear to me that Radiance is still there, alive, on the mind of the godseekers, and the bugs of Hallownest, The Radiance presents itself to them in their dreams after all, the difference seems to be that this time you don't contain the Radiance with the help of the siblings and the abyss, but rather it gets Absolutelly destroyed by "the shade lord" Void given Focus! It's ancient enemy!
Plus there is nothing to back up your "radiance has a physical and a dream form" idea in the entire game, the first radiance is inside hollow knight and absolute radiance is inside godhome, wich is a dream place after all, not the physical world, hence why you enter it by nailing the goodseeker.
“Lorewise, i wanna say that in this moment, oro and mato are setting aside their differences and working together to try and beat the shit out of one of their pupils. Inspiring isn't it?" Why did i laugh so hard-
I have to say I really appreciate this video. It pretty much discusses everything we all talked about in Discord, very nicely done. You even say that the Pale King is Hornet's father, and you state that the Knight and the Hollow Knight have a shell. Thank you for clearing up the misconceptions that exist around that. Overall, great video!
I personally think (and hope) that the Hornet DLC will have Hornet team with the Hollow Knight to find a way to beat the Shade Lord, or return him back to being are favourite expressionless void-bug-not god being.
Imagine if all the npc characters comes To help, the nailmasters, Sly, The HK and maybe the wife of the cartographer(Since she mention she had been fighting before).
I kind of have this assumption as well. We know that hornet was “preparing for battle” during the final scene, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that she is right in assuming that the hollow knight is violent. He could very well just be the only being that knows what happened at Godhome ...and actually turns out to be friendly
Could Delicate Flower be the reason why Pale King disappear? I mean: 1) Pale King disappear completely, like he never exist... just like Godseeker when she turn black. 2) The "Pale" callback in the description 3) The fact that White Lady knowns about that Flower and power that its posses, also saying that holding it too close is dangerius. 4) Also Emilitia mentioned the King And last... 5) In the end of Path of Pain. Pale King and young Hollow Knight disappear the same way, Godseeker did in cutscene.
@@fiendfi7119 the glow is no match The power may be greater. Perhaps it is the combination of void and light in peace. Or perhaps a form of Soul. Something about it seems greater than either void or light, being able to erase Void.
Yeah, but in the Cutscene, Pale King disappeared alongside young hollow knight. But we know Hollow Knight didn´t disappear, he was imprisoned as we all know. And if he still existed after vanishing in the cutscene, so most likely did the pale king. At least in that instance.
30:00 The script here proposes an interesting idea, that the events leading up to the Dream No More ending were _planned_ against the Pale King’s will and that everyone - the White Lady, Hornet, probably some other fuckers in the kingdom too - was waiting for a vessel like our Knight to reappear at Hallownest. An Enlightened Vessel, with the knowledge of their discarded Siblings and the stolen willpower of the King combined to Unite the Void and Consume the Radiance. Of course, the inclusion of “Hornet DLC” speculation makes it a tad outdated, but that’s fine. Perhaps it could be reworked...
You know, for a while it really bugged me, no pun intended, that the Godseeker was so dismissive of the Knight. She knows they aren't weak, since they defeated multiple "gods" in a row, and the pantheons include Sly and Broken Vessels so it's not about physical size, so what is it? Then I realized; they'd talked about a divine spark or something along those lines and honing that potential. The knight is empty. The broken vessels and Hollow Knight were all failed and have wills and minds, so that probably makes it much easier for that "spark" to be seen. Wheras the knight's emptiness makes them seem lacking in it. So it'd be like if you were having a contest for the strongest animal and then a roomba started winning, and the Godseeker couldn't accept that. Also considering that the aura of the Pale King is what gives most bugs sapience, I'm curious if the Godseeker masks/hive mind were a way of saving themselves after their gods left, assuming they had a similar effect. Also, the Godseeker mentions "The God of Nothingness" at one point. It might have just been a random comment, but I'm curious if the Void was actually part of their Pantheon, but she knows so little about it that they didn't even recognize it when dealing with the vessels (besides the "Deep Echo" comment). I had assumed that "Them" simply referred to Higher Beings, with "Gods" being more of an exhaulted state that anyone could reach through various means. But it being specific to the Lady definitely makes sense. Plus as she's plant-based and the foremost goddess of the setting (ignoring the Radience for this one), she could easily have some sort of "Gaia" role that's way more significant then we know. Also I have a strong feeling that the word "erased" is going to be important. Maybe it means he's not dead, maybe it means he's deader then dead. But I strongly suspect that erased is going to mean something very specific. I don't really have much to say about the Shadelord yet, I'll probably wait for the Hornet dlc to see where it all goes. Considering the moment with the Godseeker didn't seem very friendly, I'm worried that this is the opposite of the void heart. With the heart it's the void, but it's The Knight, it's a nice void, as opposed to the insane amorphous chaos of the normal void. I'm concerned that this is like the chaotic void but with intelligence to it, a hunter or destroyer rather then simply lashing out at whatever is close to it. Hopefully I'm wrong and they'll be nicer in the dlc. Also I didn't mean anything by saying hunter there, but considering the 8 eyes, I'm kinda curious if there's a connection. Probably not, but it's interesting. I didn't think about the chain issue. But I don't consider it that big a deal. Maybe the egg is set to auto-release if the radiance is destroyed or something. The Pale King loves the Hollow Knight and I could see him definitely looking for a way to destroy the radiance and rescue his child, so perhaps it's a fail safe he put in for if that day came. A bit of a stretch, but it doesn't really bother me. Or! Maybe the chains used the Radiance's own power as fuel, so the stronger she gets, the stronger the seal gets, of course there would be limits, hence why they're breaking, but that would be a cool idea for a seal. Again, just spitballing basically, but I find that concept neat. You know, this all had a feeling that I couldn't place, but now I think I've finally figured out my thoughts. In a lot of settings and mythologies there's an age of gods and legends. When everything was more amazing. Hollow Knight's cycles kind of touch on that, but not as strongly to me. Anyway, Hollownest is dying, the Pale King is gone, even without the radiance problem things are ruined, it's the whole reason the Grimm Troupe could be summoned. I'm curious if all this ascention and such might kind of give the kingdom a shot in the arm. Like a sudden "outbreak" of legendary heroes and artists and such to get the kingdom back on it's feet. I feel like there might be population issues, seriously how much of Hollownest is left, but since most bugs have huge broods, I doubt it'll be too big a problem. I can see why they didn't do glorified charms, unbreakable strength was a total game changer and glorifying charms would be even moreso. Granted that's my favorite thing about expansions like this, totally breaking what came before, but I see why they didn't want that. But at the same time it could have solved their ending problem. Personally, I would have limited them to the Godhome and had a binding to remove their use, that way you could use them to get the endings but not unbalance everything outside of the Godhome and giving a bonus for not using them. Then once you complete the Pantheon of Hollownest with all the bindings you unlock them for outside the Godhome, because at that point it's not like you need them. Also just a note; I've gotten up to the last boss of the first pantheon and read most the dialogue of later ones, but I just haven't had the time to really make genuine progress on it yet. So I'm mostly going from the video and second hand sources if I missed something major.
I assume you've probably seen it by now, since its been 3 months; but.... The only thing I can think of that hasn't been covered in this video was when you defeat Absolute Radiance in the hall of gods; not in the Pantheon of Hallownest. The Godseeker was a brief dialogue in which they call you a speck and say that its a cool acheivement to beat the highest god here, but you'll never be able to do it after fighting through the whole pantheon. I think the "speck" comment ties into what you've said about the Shade Lord's attitude. I suspect it's not malevolent - it is pure emptiness, after all - but given a body like the vessels it is capable of understanding language, and I assume it doesn't take kindly to being underestimated. The ending discriptor line about "take your place at its peak" seems to imply that the void *knows* its the most powerful, and wants to be viewed as such. It was worshipped before, after all. So it was offended by the godseeker(s) and consumed them on its way home. Its also possible that it simply didn't like the attuning process. We have no idea what happened to that old civilization, after all; and the godseekers have that line about the pale king (who used void for his experiments to create servants) having been erased so completely... perhaps the void such doesn't like having so many people peer into it and decided to erase them when it got the chance? Whatever the answer may be; I suspect the Shade Lord isn't merely a killer who intends to consume all of Hallownest after the Embrace the Void ending. We saw it get super wriggley and mad when consuming the godseeker, but it kinda ignored them in the dreamworld; so its probably just doing what needs to be done, and void tentacles are wriggley cuz that's just how it rolls. I like the idea of that finding/tuning the "gods" could have been intended as means of rejuvinating the kingdom; but it seems like that's not what the godseeker is after here, since they're always talking about how they will ascend, and get frustrated when they can't watch some god. Perhaps the godtuner was originally created for the purpose of boosting a dying kingdom, but the godseeker ignored that and used it for its current selfish reasons?
I feel like death and “erased” are different for Wyrms/Higher Beings. Death could mean reincarnation or reconstitution. Erased meaning to the point that death is permanent, or obliterated entirely to permanent death.
Troublesome Zorua the godseeker was just talking about how cool the pure vessel is and how it was going to kick our butts when it mentioned the “god of nothingness”.
@@yeahkeen2905 Though, if that unused text is to be believed, the Pure Vessel emulates emptiness, were as the Knight is empty, except for the void. But even without that text, the fact that the Radiance could infect him already tells us he isn't truly empty. It is possible that the God Seeker is referring to the Pure Vessel as god of nothingness, but I think that would just demonstrate she doesn't truly understand the gods.
My best speculation for the ending is. Yes, it's up to Hornet to save the kingdoms but since the said flower isn't from the Pale King. She had to travel to the Kingdom where it is abundant to save Everyone. Which leads us to Hollow Knight: Silksong.
To this day, this is one of my most favorite lore videos from you. The way you were able to take all the information and present it in such a captivating narrative is just amazing. I would have never caught on/connect all those bits and pieces so coherently as you did, It is always a joy to watch. Btw, 19:04: "What strength thee once possessed fades beyond time and tune." Since we now know that Silksong's lore will most likely heavily rely on music/tunes and that sort of thing, this line jumps out to me so much. I wonder if Silksong will tell us about that god and if this line is some sort of foreshadowing...
Maybe the pure vessel is big is because he's older than the other vessels. Like he just...grew up. Since all the other vessels were killed pretty much at birth, none of them got a chance to grow up
Godseeker: "We pray that the God of nothingness silence thee forever!" Knight be like: "Someone tell me how this thing manages to make so many mistakes in one sentence, please..."
The Void Given Focus is not the Lord of Shades, The Void Given Form is the Lord of Shades. The names for each form of the Knight also come on their files, and they are based off on the forms it takes on the different endings. The giant monster called Void Given Focus is the one referred to as God of Gods in the files.
The Lord of Shades ending (Dream No More) shows the subservience of the siblings and shades to you. Whereas Embrace the Void, the Void Given Focus' ending, has all the siblings become one to finally become the ancient enemy the Radiance referred to.
it's also worth pointing out that the statue, that gives the player the shade cloak. If you dream nail it you get: Void... without unity (or something along these lines). while if you have Void heart, you get: Lord of Shades.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the possibility that the Pale Lurker chained up the Godseeker's coffin, since we find the simple key in her lair. Yes, there are several simple keys in the game, but they all open other locks within the game, whereas the Pale Lurker and her key were added with the Godmaster DLC. Her fighting prowess and obsession with the Pale King suggests that she was once a warrior loyal to the King - like the Five Great Knights or Xero. It's even possible that it was contact with the Godseeker's mind that drove her insane, which in turn resulted in her being captured and taken to the Colosseum.
9:20 _"I don't know why the Knight keeps agreeing to perform errands for all these random bugs it finds."_
*NO MIND TO THINK*
KingMako30 jokes aside this explanation is really good.
ANOTHER QUEST! Give me
NO VOICE TO CRY OUT SUFFERING
I still think this knight has emotions and just got so strong he beat the radiance to hek
KingMako30 makes me wonder how come our knight wasn’t chosen? They don’t care about *ANYTHING*
"It does know its allowed to say no, right?"
Sorry, no voice to cry suffering
Brickmaster E and no mind to think
no will to break either
primal aspid disagrees
I have no mouth and I must scream
It should just carry a paper that says no, if the knight can draw a map then it can draw 2 letters
I found the journal entry for the Pale Lurker oddly funny. Basically saying "she's not even infected, she's just Like That."
I like to think that she’s an elaborate gollum reference
@@funnyvideoguy3216 Where was Gondor when Hallownest fell?
@@wildfire9280 it was also falling
Ah, I remember when theorists called Silksong the Hornet DLC
What is silksong?/j
@@the_legendary_vin Game that never came out and will never come out /hj
@@amj.composer hmm, interesting, maybe we'll get Xenoverse 3 as we wait
@@the_legendary_vin oh no no, xenoverse 3 AND silksong is never coming out
The “upcoming” Hornet DLC
The dream nail dialogue for the dead nailsmith, "pure," is the same as the ancient nailsmith's.
and is the same name of the last nail
So that means that or both nailsmiths wanted to be killed, or that every nailsmith fate is to be killed by a pure mail!
@@Gigafuckass or they just was talking about pure nail
@@chesnaught_ph4291 that's one of the coolest things un Hollow Knight, anyone can interpret the things like whatever they want
@@Gigafuckass ye
"Which means Flukemarm is connonically a milf" still gets me every time I see this. It's the perfect blend of out of left field and technically correct to strike a few chords
It was obvious from the beginning
@@G_Macks Ayo? 🤨
ikr
Wait she wasn’t a milf this whole time
“Hark! Thou has posted cringer! Thous shall lose attunement!”
DAMN YE CRINGER
THOU CRINGER
English please
AlyBoDrowned14 Exactly
You may laugh now, children.
Hear me out here
What if Team Cherry just adds stuff without thinking of lore and then waits for Mossbag to write it for them
plausible
That's D&D level story telling, let the player come up with the story and act like that was the original as you quickly cross out your notes and rewrite some encounters
Bungie and byf
Ah, the Scott Cawthon technique.
fnaf lore, probably
29:29
take a close look at the endings where you don't fight the radiance, AKA, where the knight takes on the task of containing the infection. Note how in these endings the chains of the seal react immideatley and start to restrain the knight. I believe the seal reacts to the vessel that is currently containing the radiance, since it was made speciffically for the purpouse of containing it. That would explain why the hollow knight was able to leave the seal in the new endings, because if the radiance no longer exists, then it is just no more than an empty vessel, and the seal stops working on it. Just a thought tho.
droher i thought the same thing
That's actually a very strong, and logical, way of looking at it. You actually managed to make sense of that. Good job!
I had the Same idea
droher why didn't they chain the hollow knight instantly then
Indeed
The knight dream nails the radiance for the sake of a lore video and dies immediately after: NO COST TOO GREAT.
"We shall be listening closely"
Since the godmasters live in silence without gods, them _listening_ to you suggests they start acknowledging you as a god
I think the thing that defines a god for the Godseekers is independent thought. That's why they acknowledge Hallownest weaklings as gods.
I’d like to point out that the blaring ringing of the godtuner falls silent as soon as Bill appears.
who is bill?
@@cbabaint Bill mama-no, wait, that doesn't work.
@@cbabaint the shade lord. It’s the name that Mossbag used.
Ah yes, goomy is best waifu, also lasagna is 👌
@@tech6hutch who's Mossbag?
>too fragile to ride a stag
>anihilates void
wtf is wrong with this flower xd
Crispy Banana it is called sacred by the grey mourner.
Must be something like quantum physics with particles and anti-particles : when they met they destroy eachother (or something like that)
@@Kl00k606 it was stated in the game that wyrms created and ruled over kingdoms in multiple parts of the land, maybe one died and from it's corpse this flowers emerged, that's why they are pale, not for the king, but from another wyrm
Fragile does not mean inert, in fact being fragile sometimes is what makes things powerful. Uranium is so fragile it splits itself, showering everything in lethal doses of radiation.
Curious, because the description says that the fragile flower had Pale Light, and the Stag told the Knight that the Pale King never rode in a Stag before. And the Pale King was from an unknown land as the flower.
So is no one mentioning the bug who gives you the shade cloak? It's dream nail dialogue is "Lord of shades"! That bug worshiped the Shade Lord.
Maybe.
I mean, he worships the idea? Theory? What if they initially assumed the likelihood of embodied and focused darkness, but could not achieve the necessary conditions to translate it in real? Therefore, they worshiped the concept of a possible deity in the future, while not having a real Lord of Shades?
@@farresalt4381 The void tendrils also popped up when you got close to where they were. Therefore, void had some mind already. It is possible the Shade Lord controlled these. He also roared against the Radiance when the vessels were young, meaning he existed to some extent a long time ago.
@@KaroxNightshade maybe the radiance actually attempted to destroy the vessels before they were completed and what was left of the shade lord avoided it.
I say this because the shade lord in his prime took the absolute radiance like a bitch, maybe the reason it is just regular radiance is because the shade lord beat the crap out of her in a moment? Idk there is a lot to think about
Brian Machado This theory gave me a new view on things. It is very possible that that being is the previous attempt at victory over the radiance. I find this theory refreshing and new, as most theories have been said a thousand times
Inb4 the sequel is a buddy cop movie where you play as Hornet and Hollow Knight
I would love this, though that would mean that hornet would have to go through the wasteland of the outer world in order to get back to hollownest
would pay money to see that
@@judgment5090 She is half higher being, if any bug stands a chance of keeping one's mind it's a half-divine one!
I really want to play as our big brother knight.
I'd watch it
Also, lets not forget.
Zote can forcefully invade godhome through the sheer power of his ego.
And Bretta can create a god through sheer power of her fangirling.
"False god conjured by the lonely" yeah dont beat grey prince zote and he wont appear in the Pantheon lmao hes just a boss that feels bullshit bc you know he sucks ass
So do pantheon before beating grey prince zote?
@@therealcentera doesnt really matter. If you can beat him in the normal fight you probably do it in the pantheon fight without much more effort
@@therealcentera if you let him die in greenpath he won’t show up
@@ChiefNubayy I know
mossbag : *puts spoiler warning*
Me : Thats why i'm here
That spy is not one of ours!
@@animosutheanonymous SPAH SAPPING MAH GODTUNER
With this Pure Vessel Dream Nail dialogue, it becomes clear what the Path of Pain is. Why there's a Seal of Binding on it. What it represents.
The memory at the end of the Path of Pain isn't the Pale King's, its the Hollow Knight's. Its the most precious moment of its whole life, where its crazy ass father opened up to it....and incidentally fucked everything up by bestowing an idea onto it, making the Hollow Knight not hollow. The Path of Pain is both representative of the Hollow Knight's anguish at holding this precious memory close and corrupting itself while also trying to preserve it, which explains both how hard it is to get there (both to protect the memory from outsiders like the Radiance/Dream beings as well as to keep itself from thinking about it, from thinking not and feeling not) as well as the Seal of Binding placed at the start. To preserve something of great importance and to bind a great power, love adoration familial affection etc. Also the Sealed Vessel theme plays throughout, indicating this place being of importance and related directly to the Hollow Knight. Path of Pain lore expansion is just the gift that keeps on giving!
Hope we get even more fleshed out when the Hornet/Hollow Knight buddy cop DLC drops!
It was his weakness and attempted to sealed instead of eliminating it because it was probably the happiest moment in his life. Just to sad
That actually makes a lot of sense! I SUPPORT THIS THEORY
BIG BRAIN TIME
Goddamit every time I read more about the Hollow Knight it just makes me sadder. That poor thing wasn't allowed a single nice thing in their entire existence jfc
It could also make sense for it to be an actual part of the palace, because the king couldn't really tell if they had a mind, so he at least could've tested their physical abilities. He probably didn't want any of his subjects wandering in, either. The hollow knight seemingly completed the path, and at the end, you said what happened. The seal of binding being there is confusing to me, because it's hornet's seal.
"Not bug, nor beast, nor god"
"Void given form"
"Void given focus"
Damn those are some of the coolest quotes I've heard
Hello
@@lordofshades9852 yo Angelo
@@rootbourne4454 I have found a fellow JoJo weeb and I am happy
@@lordofshades9852 Heck yeah jojo/hollow knight fans unite!
@@rootbourne4454 now i want to see hollow knight characters with stands...
Hornet has stone ocean,just saying
13:42 I’ve always thought Vessels are naturally supposed to grow to that size, considering how tall the White Lady and how big PK’s Wyrm form is. Plus, Broken Vessel is about twice the size of the Knight, and has presumably been out of the Abyss longer, and has had the chance to grow.
Yeah, and since things that live in the abyss dont need to feed themselves but dont grow nor age either, our knight is still pretty smol
I'd say that makes sense, but if they were all born around the same time, wouldn't they all be about the same age? Including the Knight and the Broken Vessel? My own guess is that they all have the potential to grow to Broken Vessel's size, but most don't. Chalk it up to a lack of training or a lack of proper nutrition or whatever. I'd say that whatever the underlying reason, it's probably similar to why most humans don't become body builders.
BVs cloak is longer, yes, but h is roughly the same size not counting his big ass horns
@@hobbyist518 true. but the knight did come from outside hallownest, and considering hallownest gives the bugs their intelligence and whatnot it wouldnt surprise me that the PKs influence could maybe change how his children grow?
@@waxocelot9395 i would argue that it definitely seems like the horns should grow, though. in addition, it's slightly physically taller than the knight and has a more rounded head, perhaps implying that the vessels' heads become more angular as they grow up.
One more extremely interesting thing to note, In the abyss where you get the shade cloak if you dreamnail the dead bug holding the bowl of void he says "Lord of Shades..." Which makes it seem that the shade lord did in fact exist before hallownest
One more detail you're missing, it says that IF you have void heart, if you don't it says "power without unity" this may mean that the hollow knight IS the lord of shade, gaining void heart gives them the power of complete void godhood, like the description first read of the knight "void given mind"
So maybe now in the next DLC we may be figthing ourselfs? Like a rematch of hornet and the knight/Shade Lord?
Good Point! Also how Hornet beats the Shade Lord... BDSM.
But wait, if the dlc is about Hornet defeating us the knight (Shade Lord) what happens if you just get the flower ending? You don't get the dlc?
But the flower ending doesnt change the Shade Lord/Knight, it still consumes the godseekers and defeats the Absolute Radiance.
Moss, in the endings A and B it looks like the chains activate when they find the presence of an infected vessel or something like that, so maybe by defeating Abs Rad and stopping the infection the chains simply go back to where they were, so that HK boi is free.
Jorge Casero v
Is that a Tokyo ghoul re profile picture
Maybe he's just super fuckin ripped and he was actually feelin really chill in the chains until he realized he didn't need to be there anymore.
comeh123 gotta love that theory
That's actually a lot better than my theory TBH.
I thought maybe the Hollow Knight himself had somehow chained himself, due to him clearly having enough self awareness to stab himself in a futile attempt to kill the Radiance/Infection in the boss fight vs Hollow Knight, therefore maybe he was sealing himself with whatever small mental capacity he had left. When the Radiance dies he was fully aware of the Infection being gone and can thus free himself. I completely forgot that unless the Knight also somehow understood this, the Knight gets chained up in the other endings.
When Mato came after you beat Oro is so wholesome.
No fight or argument they had could stop them from helping each other when theyre in trouble, those are true brothers.
I like the part where you beat them, because they both say Obama of you listen closely
Ah yes two brother get over a long fight to beat the shit out of there student
@@meleamendez6221 wholesome moment
@@meleamendez6221 mean, if you think about it, they both take pride in teaching the knight, and if having to team up to defeat your student isn't an indication of how well you've taught them, what is lol
So yes, quite wholesome actually lmao
"Upcoming hornet DLC" Ah how strange it is hearing that knowing now that it's a full on new game. Man I'm hype for silksong, hope they give a release date some time soon.
"soon" 9 months ago
Yikes
hgrge
Ha ha, “10 months ago” they aren’t giving us any date any time soon! Hahahahahah hahahaha *cries insufferably*
@@TheCheeselordForever *cries with you*
It's interesting that Godhome is in dreams and the two gods who are most attuned to dream Essence "NKG and Radiance" are both knowingly affected by it. Grimm acknowledges that he was summoned there. And Radiance, since her entire existence is in the dream realm, will actually die if killed in God home. This should free the Hollow Knight too.
It also makes sense for Grimm not to die when you defeat him in a pantheon:
- For normal Grimm, he simply goes away from godhome and resumes doing whatever he was doing prior, either tending to the ritual or sleeping, he will return to godhome when he's called upon again by the godseekers.
- For the Nightmare king, I think you do kill him when you defeat in the pantheon, but the nightmare's heart, which is the true god of the nightmare realm (Grimm is just its servant, even in his Nightmare King form, as he's a king, not a god). So Grimm is killed, but the Nightmare Heart simply doesn't allow him to die in that way, as that death would not serve Grimm's purpose in the ritual as the father to burn in order to feed the child. Instead, when you defeat Grimm in his NKG form in the main game, you complete the ritual and so the Nightmare Heart lets him die to feed the child, then the troupe moves away from Hallownest.
- Otherwise, it's just gameplay but speculating about pointless things is fun
@@filipporapetti9354 Grimm is a god, just like Vengefly King and Massive Moss Charger. Just because he is a servant, doesn't mean he can't be a god. Interesting take though
@@blazcol_5046 Thanks!
Wait one sec… Godtamer is a god?
So many confusing feelings!
CAS
Don’t kink shame
She tames beasts. I think the beast is the god, Godtamer just came with it.
@@lemmonboy6459 kink shaming IS his kink
i used the god to tame the god
@@KaroxNightshade If so, then in Hall of Gods, Godtamer wouldn't be reffered to the way she is. I think if one can tame a god, one can become god
Also: if you kill 57 Zotelings in the Eternal Ordeal, you get a new title screen.
Oh that's where that dumb background comes from.
ClayXros *DUMB?!?!*
Ahaaa 57 ;3
@@clayxros576 *I PRAY THE MIGHTY GOD OF NOTHINGNESS SILENCE THEE FOREVER*
It is. I dunno why, but it is.
i like how in the grimm fight instead of bowing to you normally he actually turns to the godmaster
11:53-12:02 "What's the deal with Sly's voice? Does Team Cherry just let any random person off the street record lines for these characters?"
*Graig* ( Team Cherry's lead play tester and voice of Sly ): *Sad Graig Noises intensify*
A tiny speculation: If the Hornet DLC is a sequel... Will we get to see the grubberflies after hatching from their father's stomach?!?!
that would be freaking dope
Awww! I hope so! That would be adorable. Ya know. Minus the empty husk of the Grubfather.
Father?
@@OMS21XX the one who ate all the grubs after finding them all
YES
Honestly I'm hoping the Shade Lord isn't the antagonist of the Hornet dlc because I really like the idea of
a) Being an overpowered eldritch abomination a la Kirby
b) Being friends with an overpowered eldritch abomination, yet again a la Kirby
Still that's the coolest option I can came up with.
C) the horrible abomination is your half sibling
Is a pretty good one too
When I first saw the cutscene of all of the Vessels in the Abyss, I had a feeling that was the soon-to-be-Hollow Knight and "Little Ghost" acknowledging the fact that they were siblings, and the closest to family they could find. The two in particular being in a metaphorical spotlight cements that they're the only ones left in all of Hallownest. The Void covering the screen in response to the Radiance displays how they were specifically created to defeat the latter after being claimed by the Void itself.
In the case of the Hollow Knight leaving the Temple of the Black Egg, I think the reason for the dragging chains is just the fact that it wasn't cut down first. In the original game, you have to destroy the anchors to all of the chains as well as the seals binding them there, after which Hollow itself throws off whatever's left before the boss battle starts. Since the Infection is gone and the Hollow Knight has, effectively, lived out its purpose, the seals fall apart and the chain anchors along with them. With how far the Hollow Knight has fallen, it doesn't even have the strength given by the Infection to get rid of the remaining chains. Hell, it must've been barely able to hold itself up long enough to retrieve its nail, if only to use it as a crutch to drag itself outside.
Hornet was probably only surprised by the Hollow Knight's arrival because of the fact that it could come out to begin with. Odds are, she'll realize pretty quick that it isn't under the control of any outside force (unless it's there to save their sibling). Personally, I'm looking forward to what kind of role the Hollow Knight may play if Team Cherry goes further down this road, what with it being freed and able to now walk alongside its half-sister. Who knows? Maybe since it's been proven that the Hollow Knight is in fact sentient and able to do everything it specifically wasn't meant to do, they'll even give it a proper voice.
I really like this one. just have the hollow knight primitively walking everywhere trying to help, kinda like how the knight basically walks around running errands for everyone.
@@ananmaysahu4563 yep
I can imagine thk helping elderbug cross the road
Imagine being able to play as him at some point in the story and just tearing through all the enemies.
@@aesiro1336 If that ever becomes possible, I imagine the primary drawback would be needing to navigate around its own size because it's so tall.
@@shadowstar8619 Well, it is probably going to be a different map than in Hollow Knight, plus a bigger map would be more suited to a character that can swing around like Spiderman.
0:12 I honestly thought you would say "Bapanada" after that sigh
Perhaps I need help
Haha, that would have been good
Bapanada octis. I know you’re not talking about Zote but that’s my favorite thing anyone says in the game audibly.
@@smocloud *Map begins to rattle but stops*
@@smocloud *bapanada **_fuck this_*
@Henry Sylvia *y e s*
Take a look at the shade lord. Now take a look at the Hunter.
Coincidence?
Probably.
Shade Lord is rocking a couple more eyes, so they're probably not related.
The Hunter is probably more related to Herrah, because they both have six eyes, and says that Hornet (someone also related to Herrah) is a Hunter.
The shade lord looks more like the mask in the arena
The Shade Lord could be a giant PRIMAL ASPID MADE OF VOID.
The Hunter's notes for the Fungling reveal that when the Hunter was young, he and his brothers and sisters used to hunt each other in the nest. He states that he now hunts alone :( rip
FLUKEMILF IS CANON BABYYYYY
akagura more like fat art mod
Lonkulus hey Flukemilf be sexy asf son
mmmmmmm dont like this post. dont like it one bit.
Please dont this game already rivals cuphead in terms of shitty fanart:1
@@dilestvegenerate5294 .... No it doesnt
The dung defender probably chained the godseeker up, you need a simple key to get into the waterways so it would make sense that he'd have a simple lock handy, plus it's also his area and he probably thought the godseeker would be worshipped and tried to stop that so that the pale king was the only one worshipped.
I personally think it’s the nail masters before they broke up and that’s why there already attuned
The way you get into waterways is not by unlocking some generic lock but rather using that weird shrine thingy that requires the key. I don't know what it is, but it certainly isn't similar to the one on the cocoon.
@@skeptic_lemon it is a generic lock.... U only need a simple key for the waterways..
@@nobodycares1065 I'm not talking about gameplay. Yes it is a regular lock and functions like every other lock. What I'm talking about is that it isn't the kind of lock that is on the cocoon of the godseeker. It looks different. That's all.
"The Knight then looks up and catches the Hollow Knight's eye...holes..." lmao
I think it would be cool if the hollow knight was an npc in silksong because with the infection gone he's just another vessel like our character
If there is a third game, just a guess but I think it might be in the view of The Hollow Knight
That would be so damn cool to play as them
Either one would be really cool
Technically the knight is dead tho.
I get that I just think it would be cool
@@LovelyMishi If it took place after the Embrace the Void, or Delicate Flower ending then they would still be alive
9:51
We could make a religion out of this
- Bill Wurtz
No, don't.
do
Oh my god, your right
I've helped make religions out of weirder......
*shatter* Whoops! Hallownest just broke, but while it was breaking Monomon had ideas about good morals!
"It does know it can say "no", right?"
-no voice to cry suffering intensifies-
1:20 Zoteload is my new favorite expression.
Nothing better than a nice long hollow knight lore video!
Inb4 defeat the shade lord without taking a hit so the flower contains it.
O h n o
Seems... somewhat viable. I can see that being a super secret ending or some shit.
I think you can't take the flower into Godhome though if the flower breaks on dreamgating
Godhome is accesible via Dream Nail, not Dream gates
@@nonary3731 I don't think the flower can withstand a travel via dream from a physical world to a dream world if it can't even stand a travel from 1 physical place to another physical place via dream.
11:48
I’m pretty sure in Sly’s house in Dirtmouth, after learning all three nail arts, he says something about remaining pupils. This almost confirms he taught a lot, and had a lot of other people in which he trained, but so many of them actually died, and with that, their art.
the hollow knight is able to free himself from the chains because the chains themselves are too weak to hold him. when you start the HK fight he breaks out of the remaining chains holding him up easily. whats actually keeping him imprisoned is a seal of binding. the chains the player breaks before fighting him have some sort of energy around them. this culminates in the seal of binding that prevents the player from damaging him. the seal of binding detected that the radiance was defeated and faded away. allowing the hollow knight to break free of the meager chains.
Dah Derpy Guy but why is hornet there? And why does the hollow knight approach her ? Why does he stick his nail in the ground but hornet attacks? ( to me it looks like the hollow knight is injured or using his nail to hold himself up )
@@gh0stgamez424 Horny is there probably waiting for knight to fight HK. She is in the door of Black egg temple so in the way of HK. He just woke up from being sick. He probably feels a little bad after that. That my opinion
makes sense can't disagree with that and hornet probably gets ready / attacks him because she probably thinks he is still infected and is hostile because of it ( imagine if in the hornet DLC we will be able to talk 2 the HK and learn shit from him )
horny is a pretty bad nickname for hornet or anyone, really.
makes sense
The Godseekers' claim that they're trying to "attain communion" with a "great power sleeping in the kingdoms heart" also sounds like a better description of the void then the Radiance, who is at the uppermost edge of the kingdom fighting like hell to break free of the bindings of the Hollow Knights mind. The Godseeker may have been brought to Hallownest by a call from the void. Void-based creatures can communicate telepathically (the Hollow Knight awakening the Knight and starting the player's quest) and we know the Pale King attempted (with some success) to master the void. Perhaps the Godseeker mistook one for the other and in it's confusion, upon finding the Pale King 'erased', decided to settle for the Radiance until the Knight revealed the void, unified under their will and given focus by the Godseeker.
why do you belive void creatures communicate telepathically?
So what you're saying is that Godseeker was looking for the God of Gods and it went like this:
"Uh.. you? Oh wait, no it's you. My bad."
@@roiroije6326 sounds about right given their personality
MOSSBAG
Theorist god of lore.
RADIANT MOSSBAG
Radiant difficulty Mossbag is just a ten hour video on The Coloseum of Fools and The Abyss Creature.
VaatiVidya
Pretender God of Dark Lore
From the Pantheon of Loreceeper
Tbh, I always thought Hollow Knight got freed by the egg itself.
We did see that the Black Egg does seem to be able to operate on its own (and maybe even have some sort of a mind?), so it is possible that once Radience died, the Black Egg just freed the HK since it had no reason to have him sealed anymore
That makes sense!
Thou crawler! Though cringer! Thou smallest of the small!
Heckin’ smol boi!
you just posted cring you are going to lose attunement
@@triangletriangle4520 how he lose attunement if he was not attuned
thou posted cringer! now thou shall receive the punishment of the gods! * gets banned *
I finally just beat everything in Hollow Knight, of course ending with the last parts of Godmaster because that's the hardest stuff. Finally beat Radiant Absolute Radiance and just today beat the 5th Pantheon with the last binding. I've been putting off this video until I beat all of that, and now what better reward could I ask for than to finally be able to watch this video, spoiler-free. I'm so pumped! Thank you, Mossbag!
Dude congrats on beating P5 with bindings. It took me forever to beat it plain and then I just noped out of there. Might try again someday for the weathered mask but goddamn.
Is mossbag the VaatiVidya of Hollow Knight?
No.
VaatiVidya is the mossbag of Dark Souls.
Well, mossbag doesn't steal content from other creators xD.
Mossbag doesn't milk shit to death lmao
Mossbags voice is ways sexier though
Oh yes it is.
@@cake6851 Don't you talk shit about Vaati. He is still the master of lore.
I always thought the Shade Lord looks just like the Hunter, who also has similar limbs to the Hollow Knight. Maybe the Hunter has more to do with the void than we ever could have guessed?
That would be very amusing, because one of the modes hints that the knight actually enjoys the thrill of combat after becoming the shadelord, meaning he is a battle junkie, much like the hunter who enjpys the thrill of the hunt and understands the world around him by doing so, a trait that he kinda somewhat passes on to the knight.
@@huntercraft5674 Wow, I never even thought of that! I wonder if the Hunter would be counted as a god in the pantheons.
@@huntercraft5674 the knight has no gender
@@noticeme6412 yeah, i know, its hard to have a gender if you got killed as a newborn and shortly after, got revived and turned undead by an eldritch force...
Perhaps i was too lazy to write "they"
@@noticeme6412 Dude, I have such a hard time with that. I'm not a native English speaker, I speak Spanish. And there's no 'gender neutral' way of speaking in Spanish. You say "la vasija" (the vessel), but that implies it is a girl. "El caballero" (The Knight) o "El pequeño fantasma" (Little Ghost), that implies it's a dude. Thus I just associate the Knight as a dude even though it doesn't HAVE a gender and it just fucks me up-
If the infection is gone, why would Hollow Knight stay in its chains? It seems obvious to me that the chains destroyed themselves at the same time as the Radiance: the Pale King thought of Hollow Knight as his child, it makes sense that he would devise a failsafe to the prison if the infection disappears, so that Hollow can be free
Um actually, the character at the end cutscene with Hornet, if you look closely, it’s clearly Nosk
Dafuq u mean? It's the Moss Prophet.
You are both wrong, it's Mr. Mushroom's next form.
holy fuck you guys are idiots, it's obviously myla
Are you stupid or something? That is obviously the elder bug
No no no. It’s clearly lemm. He wants his 10 eggs
28:15 Godseeker confirmed masochist. K I N K Y
No.
@@Cati_Offical yes.
29:55
I think the chains were made to bind the Radiance's vessel. But since the Radiance's power no longer exists, the chains become inert.
hi this is about the hollow Knight escaping the chains if you remember when you defeat the radiance the black egg temple completely dissolves so if the radiance is no longer a thing then the black egg temple is no longer a thing so the chains probably no longer exist
You can see in the cutscene that the black egg is still there. I like to think that the chains existed there to contain the infection, but since the radiance had been destroyed, the power that strengthened them probably weakened which allowed the hollow knight to free itself
@@hexagonalhd5797 we are going so insane we are hyper analyzing how the final boss escaped some chains holy shit lmao
30:44
The text says:
"PLEASE DON'T JUDGE MY VORE FETISH"
You're welcome
What if 4 years after this vid went up i JUDGED his vore fetish
Great video! I do have one disagreement. I personally believe that the god seeker is absolutely terrified and is in a state of shock caused by fear during the last cinematic. My first piece of evidence is that she was clearly looking for the radiance throughout the whole dlc. She just saw the radiance get completely destroyed. While most bosses in the pantheon are defeated so that the knight can attune to them, the radiance is just dead and that terrifies and disappoints her in my opinion. Also the noises she makes sound more like whimpering to me and the way the godseeker in the junk pit seems to shake like someone trying to hold on to life I think supports this. Finally, the much sadder music that plays during the delicate flower ending makes me think that this is supposed to be a tragic scene of the godseeker holding on to a small gift from the knight while what she perceives as the knight destroys her from the inside. That’s why she clutches it so close while she is being consumed. Anyway, that’s just my opinion, congrats on 10k!
In the gamemode, the Godseeker praises you as the God of Gods
@@Hirungolwe True but you unlock it after the third pantheon before the Lord of shades kill everything
My interpretation is that the Godseeker fears you and is trying to kiss up to you. If Ghengis Khan knocked on your front door with an army of Monglols, you would kiss up to him too, or be killed.
@@hasiumcreeper5384 kiss?
Fidue My dude those two things are very different?
I think that the shade lord is voids “True Form” because that’s how all the bosses are in god home there in their “True Form”
I think it's specifically pointed out that the shade lord is the void given focus basically i think that the void itself is its true form while a void given focus gains an actual "Form" just a thought though.
You used goddamn Markoth as your intro sound byte... I'm livid, him and Uumuu can burn in helllll
"Your tears, THEY'ALL MINE" - Markoth
I second this. Fuck markoth and FUCK UUMUU!!!!
All rise to vote to build super shelly highway over Monomon's grave for making this god awful creation.
They should have made to where your spells could make Uumuu vulnerable. You'd still have to risk damage via the jellyfish minions, but you wouldn't have to try to bait them
At first I was gonna comment how I only died thrice to Markoth.
Then I remembered I used a pet build.
Finally. I am the literal
*HARDEST BOSS* in the new content pack.
Ascended markoth:im about to end this man whole carer
Radiant Gruz mother:I'm about to end this man's whole career
@@Feeling_Like_Karla I dont understand how Radiant Gruz mother was so hard...? Did it in like 10 tries
@@Raiko01 THE JOKE! WE FOUND IT!
@@Raiko01 if your PC is kinda shit, that bisch will lag your entire pc and yeet you the fuck out of the battle
My idea of what is going on with the shade lord is that it's a hivemind, controlled by the knight and his voidheart, made of all the shades of the failed vessels and the hollow knight. The shades are in effect the void's version of a soul, which makes sense to me as I always saw void as being the antithesis of soul. The fact that it can create "souls", the collector and HK having a personality (to far different degrees), and the ability to program it to create constructs shows that the void, while it doesn't have conciousness to start with, readily accepts it and may even be meant to have it. Perhaps it even consumes and empties creatures in an attempt to make their consciousness it's own?
Anyway, I mention that because I believe that despite what the white lady says, The knight is not perfect, and has developed a mind of his own through experience. The simple fact that you're able to screw around on sidequests alludes to this, as a thoughtless entity wouldn't desire those things and so they wouldn't be game options unless the knight actually wanted to do them. I think that the Knight's personality is a reflection of the player's. Extremly curious, combat-loving, and focused on becoming powerful and heroic. Him becoming the Shade lord, given total power, fused with the minds and wills of his semi-conscious brethren, becoming a fully-formed personality and a powerful being, it's the fulfillment of his every desire.
This also means that the shade lord probably isn't evil. Assuming that due to the voidheart the knight is still in complete control, it would make no sense for him to bring suffering upon the kingdom he worked to save. Instead he may work to become the new god of hallownest, which could go wonderfully, as those void-worshipping ancients seem to have been pretty advanced, or terribly, as it did with the Radiance and her infection. Whatever it is, I just like to think that this character you've been playing as isn't just a thoughtless shell, and gets himself a good ending to his tale, as he deserves.
I really hope in the end we can see him again without dying he deserves it
i think that the gods attunement made the knight go back into it's prime form, before it got separated from the sea of void in the abyss, when the void was united completely, before part of it was injected into the eggs
I love your theory and the ending: "I like to think the character we play as has a personality" deal, cause I agree with you. The Knight being able to do sidequests, and do random shit the players do like summon Salubra, play in the rain in the City of Tears, bonking Bardoon's tail, beating up Millibelle to get their Geo back, etc. marks a personality, and the fact that Nosk turned into Hornet in Godhome means that the Knight has grown to care about her, too.
So, I’m a gamer mom...not into playing at all...my son just showed me this and I’m absolutely enchanted! Terrific video... my mind is spinning! Thank you. I loved it!!!
Why feel the need to add you don't play yourself? Get lost, stay far away from this community, your mindset is becoming a relic of the past more and more
:)
The Shadelord is the knight. If you use the awakened nail on the statue that gives you the shade cloak, it will read 'void, power without unity' and dreamnail it again with the void heart, it will read 'lord of shades' instead. Another thing is that while the knight obtained the void heart and unified the shades, the knight was simply a part of the void. The shadelord however is a personification of the void itself, with the knight given control over the void and godly focus to direct it to that form. This leads me to believe that it is the knight roaring at the end of the fourth pantheon as foreshadowing of its true power
I support this theory.
Kuzu :D, i second this comment
"I don't wanna have all this spoiled for me. I'm gonna try to finally beat the pantheon of the sage."
Grey Prince Zote.
"Nope. Nevermind. Gonna watch this video instead."
....I am reporting your comment. I am in this description and I don't like it.
Shouldnt have touched him before the pantheons dude
Same, that spamming pile of shockwaves and pain
Alright, got through that, time, for pantheon fo... *sees watcher knights* NOOOOPE
Please tell me this isn’t true because at the moment I’m trying to get through the pantheon of the sage and if grey prince zote is in it I’m gonna cry
I want to think that the HK will fight for hallownest with Hornet in some way. I believe the pale king planned this all along, that his dream was to free his people from being always under some god's rule and in control of their power.
Since the radiance was using his kingdom as a battleground and if defeated, the void would have no enemy to defy it, I think the king raised the HK and gave him the mission to protect his kingdom, he gave him hope on purpose, knowing it' be strong enough to dedeat the infection but to eventually be consumed by his hope, needing a replacement. However, having that in mind, since our knight defeated the radiance and freed HK from it, he' still have the intentions to fight for his kingdom. It isn't as farfetched since the king DID see our knight climb up allomg with HK, but decided to ignore us, he was cold amd emotionless towards us, maybe in purpose as well?
Could the HK betray the place he was born from and help hornet to defeat the shade lord for the sake of the kingdom? After all, we know he does have those feelings.
Anyways, fantastic video! I love Hollow knight's lore and I love discussing about it. Team cherry always seems to be a step above us, so I'm trying to guess what they're gonna be up to, and I'm all up for some HK badassness being on the good side thanks to what the king taught him.
hey you play hk too.
So when are you finishing your second season of your series?
Its a nice observation about pale king having planned all of this beforehand,I've heard theories that he could have some kind of future prediction powers. Maybe he knew that HK couldn't hold the radiance, so he locked the knight inside the abyss, so he could escape the abyss, and exiting the kingdom.
Since the vessels are not bugs, they could function outside the Hallownest.Hornet herself said that the knight had another kind of emptiness. With this emptiness added to its own and the combats through Hallownest, little ghost managed to get strong enough to defy the higher beings. Maybe each ending is a possible future seen by the pale king, without the void heart the worst scenario, and the defeat of radiance the best one.
But I dont think the Pale King wanted to free the bugs in that way,since it seems that wyrms attracting bugs and making them submit to them is what they do. Idk if this is just my opinion, but the Pale King seems to see the kingdom more like a object or something he needs or somethings he owns, rather than individuals. Radiance is just his competitor, its not about saving the kingdom, but about securing a resource, in this case bugs.
Then, the Pale King probably knew about the true nature of the void. My theory is that the black substance we see the void take form in the game, is the remains of a former higher being that was worshiped before Hallownest.What happened to this god? Idk, maybe like Unn its powers just faded with time, maybe radiance managed to weaken him into this liquid form and trapped in the abyss, maybe before dealing with radiance, the pale king dealt with the void, or the pale king seek the void and trapped it in the abyss in this liquid form to use it to make the vessels.
One thing that makes this interesting, its that we have more proof of the nature of the void. Most would think that PK would be desperate because of the infection, what if the reason of the desperation was because he was using void as material?Maybe he thought that dealing with void would be too risky in normal circumstances, but he took the risk because he needed to defeat the radiance.
Maybe he took the risk because he knew it would need something godly to revert the void to its prime state,so without a higher being, or maybe a higher being's light(idk if the white lady, Unn or Grimm have the light that can give bugs a mind like the hive mind from Radiance, or the individual mind of the PK) it couldn't be done. But he didn't counted on the godseeker attunement and their focus, that like it was said in the video, with help from the void heart, managed to awaken the shade lord.
And these are my thoughts about it. Really liked your comment, gave me a lot of ideas to think and I also have to say thanks for the video mossbag, you made a great analysis and gathered a lot of information, I didn't know about the cutscene with the vessels after you beat pure vessel, or that one about godseeker's memory. That was fun, I love discussing lore
I didnt expect camila to know the game Hollow Knight!
@@XPowerfullXPlayerX bruh chill
15:38 "After the battle, we get this cutscene:" I literally got an ad for Wingstop the moment he said that
Lol
That IS the cutscene you are supposed to see, but due to a bug it shows a different thing.
@@ManioqIVbugs 😋
wait if hornet is just a half-god/higher being, are the vessels, the knight and the hollow knight full gods/higher beings fused with void making them higher beings plus plus?
Nobody 707 I think they are half god/higher beings, half void
Extra high being
"Made of God and Void."
i think neither because they are undead
"Of Root. Of God. Of Void." I think that's how it goes. The physical forms of the vessels were birthed of the union between the Pale King and the Pale Lady, then they were dropped into the abyss as eggs, where their minds/souls/consciousnesses were carved out of them and replaced with Void. As far as I know, only two vessels managed to be both functional and alive by the time of the game: the Hollow Knight and the Knight. The Broken Vessel did manage to escape the abyss, but it was hollowed out and piloted by the infection by that point so I'm not going to count it as alive. Though technically, the same could be said of the Hollow Knight...Congratulations on being the only living AND functional Vessel, Knight!
I'm 27 mins into this video and it seems you forget that zote is a higher being now thanks to the eternal ordeal battle.
Edit: you didnt forget. But you didnt mention that the title card appeared for zote. The same type of card that appears for the Nightmare King and the radiance. Even if this area is a joke, Team Cherry would need to outright state this minigame is not canon and they dont seem to enjoy saying things are or aren't canonical. So this is just allowing us to say Zote is a higher being.
I didn't even think of that! Good point!
Was it ever in doubt that Zote was a higher being? I knew from the moment I first laid eyes on him.
How did you think he'd survive his trip through Hallownest? His nail-wielding skills? What are you, stupid?
Maybe not since the description for the grey prince states "false god of the lonely" so Zote is still below everyone and everything in Hallownest even the Gruz Mother is more of a god than Zote
It's not much of a new revelation really, I already knew Zote was a higher being the moment I saw the ethereal look in his eyes after bravely combating the mighty vengfly
One of the most entertaining lore channels I’ve watched, love all of it! Actually wasn’t even going to pick up the game but then I found all this awesome lore and now I’ve got to have it
excuse me kind sir,can you please show to me the others channels you consider valuable?
Nicola Ricciardi And show me, too!
The dream nail dialogue for the Pure Vessel is interesting, and it makes me sad for his eventual fate. My thoughts are that he was chosen, bonded with the pale king, then tried to force himself to have ‘no mind to think, no will to break’, and ‘no voice to cry suffering’. However, because his bond with his father gave him substance of some sort, he failed and became infected.
What i want to believe in that ending, specifically with Hollow meeting Hornet, is that when he regained consciousness, he became super friendly after feeling the presence of the Shade Lord that obliterated the Absolute Radiance. And it's here where I believe where a possible third game may exist where you play as THE FIRST HOLLOW KNIGHT with the aid of Hornet to combat the Shade Lord.
I may even call Hollow the False Hollow Knight as he was not truly hollow and devoid of thought, whereas our Knight is the true hollow knight that could invoke the shade lord.
When hitting the chozo statue in the abyss that gives you the shade cloak after obtaining the void heart, it calls the knight the “lord of shades”, pretty much confirming that the void creature the knight becomes to kill the radiance is called the shade lord since it has total control over the void and the abyss.
17:13 Here’s the full text:
"It’s also with pointing out that the object you hit to activate Lifeblood is a dream catcher. People have pointed out that the Lifeblood room in the Abyss has dream catcher particles in the background. So this update does strengthen the idea that Lifeblood is somehow connected to dreams or to the dream world in some way."
You're welcome.
Thank you
There is one thing I love. Nosk’s whole thing is that he turns into loved ones of the people he hunts. Originally it was the knight because he didn’t hold anyone close. However in god home he turns into hornet. That makes me think that the knight holds hornet close to itself. He truly isn’t hollow.
Oh dang that makes the regular ending way darker but that’s a really cool theory
Well shit.
Good think we go ahead and handle the radiance
To quote Angriest Pat: "Weaponizing void seems like a bad solution to a worse problem."
Although if the God of Gods/Lord Shade is still The Knight, I hope there's some chance it ends up being a benevolent force rather than a hostile one. Same with the Hollow Knight, I hope he's sane now. It'd be nice if he and Hornet didn't have to fight.
No voice to cry! OH MY GOD
You know what they say “absolute power corrupts absolutly.” Wouldn’t be surprising if the knight started to feel emotion after his adventures and the godseekers focusing on him thus giving something for the immense power he holds to corrupt. That or the void has a mind perviously before its downfall to liquidity and that that mind has been reawaken.
"Romance Zote option"
Errrr, *Dark Romance*
Achievement
No?
well here's my 2 cents. I feel like the shadow lord is simply all the vessels fused together to form something greater then their parts. In the dream no more ending your siblings come up and hold the radiance down while you beat the crap out of her and then in the ending cutscene you see all the shades of the abyss looking up before fading into rest. However after the 4th trial in godmaster you see all the discarded vessels and the pure vessels look up when the radiance's light shines down on them and I think the resulting roar is all of them as one roaring back. (heh, the abyss finally given a voice you could say). Then during the absolute radiance fight the abyss is still rising and when you go in to deal the final blow the knight seems to merge with the abyss and then the shadow lord is born. After all the pale king said it himself when you go to grab the void heart charm. the vessels were made of soul, root, and abyss. The pale king gave the abyss a mind, a soul, and the god seekers gave it's splintered psyche focus. well that's my theory anyways.
What if, when the Shade Lord escapes, all of it reforms into it's last known form, The Knight. And what if there was a boss fight with The Knight in the Hornet DLC?! That would be so badass!
Michael Edblom that’s pretty much what Mossbag suggests as a possibility. So you don’t need to say it as it’s basically one of Daddy Mossbag’s theories
Connor Norfleet also... nah. That ain’t it chief
@@tovi3280 A man can dream, Tovi. A man can dream.
@@tovi3280 Also, sorry.
To add onto the shade Lord stuff, when you dream nail the weird fountain creature in the Abyss after getting the void heart it reads “Lord of Shades”. I wonder if that has any connection to what’s happening in Godhome....
1:21 has the most beautiful line of text I’ve ever seen a youtuber that covers hollow knight say.
After watching video
"Damn, hyped for hornet vs shade lord next dlc!"
SILKSONG TRAILER
"..........welp, that's that."
That moment you make a DLC but it becomes a game
@@clayxros576 That moment when you trap yourself with a supposed DLC of a weak character fighting a god, so you just ditch the DLC and make a new game instead so you dont have to come up with bullshit for how hornet can defeat the shade lord
hello good sir she just needs to eat like 10 pale lords to absorb the pale soul to be powerful enough to be called the LORD OF PALES and then destroy the lord of shades
If you gave the flower to the Godseeker does the Hollow Knight still appear in the ending?
@@christiandauz3742
If I remember correctly, yes
I JUST REALIZED
Gorb was related to the Godseekers.
Ascend! Ascend ascend ascend with Gorb!
Attune with Gorb!
LOL
Oh my god
Oh my Gorb**
this is too fucking underrated
For your issue with the Hollow Knight being able to break out of it's own chains, it's pretty clear the Hollow Knight has a formidable amount of strength on its own. The Seal of Binding over it's chains are likely what's actually keeping it in place, and that seal was likely created specifically to combat and trap the Radiance. Perhaps after the Radiance and thus the infection are destroyed, the chains become as weak as normal chains as the binding in this case would be dispelled. This would allow the Hollow Knight to just break out of it's bindings, as it does once you break the bindings in the base game fight. This is all speculation of course, but it'd make sense considering the Seal of Binding seems to be an invention of the Pale King himself rather than some remnant of the ancient civilization that he doesn't have full control of since we find the schematics for the seal within the Pale King's own palace rather than somewhere like the Abyss.
It took me a minute to realize why defeating the radiance in godhome actually defeats the radiance. But if you think about it, it makes sense. The radiance is a dream boss, and is the only one that only exists in the dream world, and when you defeat it before (in the first fight) in the dream world, it dies. So when you’re fighting the pure knight you enter the hollow knight's dream world to kill the radiance, the only difference is that you’re fighting a dream version of the hollow knight so you don’t actually kill the physical version of him. Which leads me to wonder, does the godtuner let the godseekers get into other bug’s minds the same way we do with the dream nail? Nevertheless, it makes sense now and great video by the way!
It's an inception kind of shit. Which is awesome.
I think you are wrong and overthinking it, the game states several times that one thing is dying, but true death is to be forgotten, this cleary ties to the fact that Radiance's dream nail dialogue reads "I WON'T BE FORGOTEN" it's clear to me that Radiance is still there, alive, on the mind of the godseekers, and the bugs of Hallownest, The Radiance presents itself to them in their dreams after all, the difference seems to be that this time you don't contain the Radiance with the help of the siblings and the abyss, but rather it gets Absolutelly destroyed by "the shade lord" Void given Focus! It's ancient enemy!
Plus there is nothing to back up your "radiance has a physical and a dream form" idea in the entire game, the first radiance is inside hollow knight and absolute radiance is inside godhome, wich is a dream place after all, not the physical world, hence why you enter it by nailing the goodseeker.
what about hall of gods acting a little bit different towards bosses? Hollow knight and radiance for example?
For me is because radiance is weakened in the first fight
Myla deserves to be in the Hall Of Gods.
Tiso deserves to be in the Hall Of Gods.
God of hoeing
big fax
Do you know who truly deserves to be in the hall of gods? Morgan freeman, though his ‘warcry’ would instantly defeat any opponents.
Cloth deserves to be in the Hall of Gods
YES I CAN FINALLY UNDERSTAND WTF IS GOING ON
ME TOO
“Lorewise, i wanna say that in this moment, oro and mato are setting aside their differences and working together to try and beat the shit out of one of their pupils. Inspiring isn't it?"
Why did i laugh so hard-
They’re bonding over their shared pupil
I have to say I really appreciate this video. It pretty much discusses everything we all talked about in Discord, very nicely done. You even say that the Pale King is Hornet's father, and you state that the Knight and the Hollow Knight have a shell. Thank you for clearing up the misconceptions that exist around that. Overall, great video!
Wow I found Sum1
I personally think (and hope) that the Hornet DLC will have Hornet team with the Hollow Knight to find a way to beat the Shade Lord, or return him back to being are favourite expressionless void-bug-not god being.
Imagine if all the npc characters comes To help, the nailmasters, Sly, The HK and maybe the wife of the cartographer(Since she mention she had been fighting before).
The knight most likely will have another sad ending where he dies but let's hope.
I kind of have this assumption as well. We know that hornet was “preparing for battle” during the final scene, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that she is right in assuming that the hollow knight is violent. He could very well just be the only being that knows what happened at Godhome ...and actually turns out to be friendly
and then fight every boss at once with bindings
The Hollow Knight is probably part of the shade lord.
Could Delicate Flower be the reason why Pale King disappear? I mean:
1) Pale King disappear completely, like he never exist... just like Godseeker when she turn black.
2) The "Pale" callback in the description
3) The fact that White Lady knowns about that Flower and power that its posses, also saying that holding it too close is dangerius.
4) Also Emilitia mentioned the King
And last...
5) In the end of Path of Pain. Pale King and young Hollow Knight disappear the same way, Godseeker did in cutscene.
also the white palace
emilitia said that the flower's power is no match for PK's power tho.
@@fiendfi7119 Who is emilitia?
@@fiendfi7119 the glow is no match
The power may be greater.
Perhaps it is the combination of void and light in peace. Or perhaps a form of Soul. Something about it seems greater than either void or light, being able to erase Void.
Yeah, but in the Cutscene, Pale King disappeared alongside young hollow knight. But we know Hollow Knight didn´t disappear, he was imprisoned as we all know. And if he still existed after vanishing in the cutscene, so most likely did the pale king. At least in that instance.
30:00
The script here proposes an interesting idea, that the events leading up to the Dream No More ending were _planned_ against the Pale King’s will and that everyone - the White Lady, Hornet, probably some other fuckers in the kingdom too - was waiting for a vessel like our Knight to reappear at Hallownest. An Enlightened Vessel, with the knowledge of their discarded Siblings and the stolen willpower of the King combined to Unite the Void and Consume the Radiance.
Of course, the inclusion of “Hornet DLC” speculation makes it a tad outdated, but that’s fine. Perhaps it could be reworked...
You know, for a while it really bugged me, no pun intended, that the Godseeker was so dismissive of the Knight. She knows they aren't weak, since they defeated multiple "gods" in a row, and the pantheons include Sly and Broken Vessels so it's not about physical size, so what is it? Then I realized; they'd talked about a divine spark or something along those lines and honing that potential. The knight is empty. The broken vessels and Hollow Knight were all failed and have wills and minds, so that probably makes it much easier for that "spark" to be seen. Wheras the knight's emptiness makes them seem lacking in it. So it'd be like if you were having a contest for the strongest animal and then a roomba started winning, and the Godseeker couldn't accept that.
Also considering that the aura of the Pale King is what gives most bugs sapience, I'm curious if the Godseeker masks/hive mind were a way of saving themselves after their gods left, assuming they had a similar effect. Also, the Godseeker mentions "The God of Nothingness" at one point. It might have just been a random comment, but I'm curious if the Void was actually part of their Pantheon, but she knows so little about it that they didn't even recognize it when dealing with the vessels (besides the "Deep Echo" comment).
I had assumed that "Them" simply referred to Higher Beings, with "Gods" being more of an exhaulted state that anyone could reach through various means. But it being specific to the Lady definitely makes sense. Plus as she's plant-based and the foremost goddess of the setting (ignoring the Radience for this one), she could easily have some sort of "Gaia" role that's way more significant then we know.
Also I have a strong feeling that the word "erased" is going to be important. Maybe it means he's not dead, maybe it means he's deader then dead. But I strongly suspect that erased is going to mean something very specific.
I don't really have much to say about the Shadelord yet, I'll probably wait for the Hornet dlc to see where it all goes. Considering the moment with the Godseeker didn't seem very friendly, I'm worried that this is the opposite of the void heart. With the heart it's the void, but it's The Knight, it's a nice void, as opposed to the insane amorphous chaos of the normal void. I'm concerned that this is like the chaotic void but with intelligence to it, a hunter or destroyer rather then simply lashing out at whatever is close to it. Hopefully I'm wrong and they'll be nicer in the dlc. Also I didn't mean anything by saying hunter there, but considering the 8 eyes, I'm kinda curious if there's a connection. Probably not, but it's interesting.
I didn't think about the chain issue. But I don't consider it that big a deal. Maybe the egg is set to auto-release if the radiance is destroyed or something. The Pale King loves the Hollow Knight and I could see him definitely looking for a way to destroy the radiance and rescue his child, so perhaps it's a fail safe he put in for if that day came. A bit of a stretch, but it doesn't really bother me. Or! Maybe the chains used the Radiance's own power as fuel, so the stronger she gets, the stronger the seal gets, of course there would be limits, hence why they're breaking, but that would be a cool idea for a seal. Again, just spitballing basically, but I find that concept neat.
You know, this all had a feeling that I couldn't place, but now I think I've finally figured out my thoughts. In a lot of settings and mythologies there's an age of gods and legends. When everything was more amazing. Hollow Knight's cycles kind of touch on that, but not as strongly to me. Anyway, Hollownest is dying, the Pale King is gone, even without the radiance problem things are ruined, it's the whole reason the Grimm Troupe could be summoned. I'm curious if all this ascention and such might kind of give the kingdom a shot in the arm. Like a sudden "outbreak" of legendary heroes and artists and such to get the kingdom back on it's feet. I feel like there might be population issues, seriously how much of Hollownest is left, but since most bugs have huge broods, I doubt it'll be too big a problem.
I can see why they didn't do glorified charms, unbreakable strength was a total game changer and glorifying charms would be even moreso. Granted that's my favorite thing about expansions like this, totally breaking what came before, but I see why they didn't want that. But at the same time it could have solved their ending problem. Personally, I would have limited them to the Godhome and had a binding to remove their use, that way you could use them to get the endings but not unbalance everything outside of the Godhome and giving a bonus for not using them. Then once you complete the Pantheon of Hollownest with all the bindings you unlock them for outside the Godhome, because at that point it's not like you need them.
Also just a note; I've gotten up to the last boss of the first pantheon and read most the dialogue of later ones, but I just haven't had the time to really make genuine progress on it yet. So I'm mostly going from the video and second hand sources if I missed something major.
I assume you've probably seen it by now, since its been 3 months; but....
The only thing I can think of that hasn't been covered in this video was when you defeat Absolute Radiance in the hall of gods; not in the Pantheon of Hallownest. The Godseeker was a brief dialogue in which they call you a speck and say that its a cool acheivement to beat the highest god here, but you'll never be able to do it after fighting through the whole pantheon.
I think the "speck" comment ties into what you've said about the Shade Lord's attitude. I suspect it's not malevolent - it is pure emptiness, after all - but given a body like the vessels it is capable of understanding language, and I assume it doesn't take kindly to being underestimated. The ending discriptor line about "take your place at its peak" seems to imply that the void *knows* its the most powerful, and wants to be viewed as such. It was worshipped before, after all. So it was offended by the godseeker(s) and consumed them on its way home. Its also possible that it simply didn't like the attuning process. We have no idea what happened to that old civilization, after all; and the godseekers have that line about the pale king (who used void for his experiments to create servants) having been erased so completely... perhaps the void such doesn't like having so many people peer into it and decided to erase them when it got the chance?
Whatever the answer may be; I suspect the Shade Lord isn't merely a killer who intends to consume all of Hallownest after the Embrace the Void ending. We saw it get super wriggley and mad when consuming the godseeker, but it kinda ignored them in the dreamworld; so its probably just doing what needs to be done, and void tentacles are wriggley cuz that's just how it rolls.
I like the idea of that finding/tuning the "gods" could have been intended as means of rejuvinating the kingdom; but it seems like that's not what the godseeker is after here, since they're always talking about how they will ascend, and get frustrated when they can't watch some god. Perhaps the godtuner was originally created for the purpose of boosting a dying kingdom, but the godseeker ignored that and used it for its current selfish reasons?
I feel like death and “erased” are different for Wyrms/Higher Beings. Death could mean reincarnation or reconstitution. Erased meaning to the point that death is permanent, or obliterated entirely to permanent death.
Troublesome Zorua the godseeker was just talking about how cool the pure vessel is and how it was going to kick our butts when it mentioned the “god of nothingness”.
@@yeahkeen2905 Though, if that unused text is to be believed, the Pure Vessel emulates emptiness, were as the Knight is empty, except for the void. But even without that text, the fact that the Radiance could infect him already tells us he isn't truly empty. It is possible that the God Seeker is referring to the Pure Vessel as god of nothingness, but I think that would just demonstrate she doesn't truly understand the gods.
Z- the paper was on Abraham Lincoln not you childs vidja goms. *scoff* Kids these days.
My best speculation for the ending is. Yes, it's up to Hornet to save the kingdoms but since the said flower isn't from the Pale King. She had to travel to the Kingdom where it is abundant to save Everyone.
Which leads us to Hollow Knight: Silksong.
No the silk song is going to be about Hornet trying to find The Flintstones gummies so she can be taller than the hollow Knight
Hornet ends up in the Kingdom of Pharloom. Using her beast-like powers she overthrows the current dictator and ascends into the new King of Pharloom!
To this day, this is one of my most favorite lore videos from you. The way you were able to take all the information and present it in such a captivating narrative is just amazing. I would have never caught on/connect all those bits and pieces so coherently as you did, It is always a joy to watch.
Btw, 19:04: "What strength thee once possessed fades beyond time and tune." Since we now know that Silksong's lore will most likely heavily rely on music/tunes and that sort of thing, this line jumps out to me so much. I wonder if Silksong will tell us about that god and if this line is some sort of foreshadowing...
14:55
"his dream nail dialogue is pretty sad"
procceds to put happy music
Happy music?
Maybe the pure vessel is big is because he's older than the other vessels. Like he just...grew up. Since all the other vessels were killed pretty much at birth, none of them got a chance to grow up
With that knowledge the Knight would be the same size, since they were born at the same time and the knight obviously didn’t die
@@sethmasters4925 The Knight is malnourished then XD
Godseeker: "We pray that the God of nothingness silence thee forever!"
Knight be like: "Someone tell me how this thing manages to make so many mistakes in one sentence, please..."
"I am rubber and you are glue"
The Void Given Focus is not the Lord of Shades, The Void Given Form is the Lord of Shades.
The names for each form of the Knight also come on their files, and they are based off on the forms it takes on the different endings.
The giant monster called Void Given Focus is the one referred to as God of Gods in the files.
The Lord of Shades ending (Dream No More) shows the subservience of the siblings and shades to you.
Whereas Embrace the Void, the Void Given Focus' ending, has all the siblings become one to finally become the ancient enemy the Radiance referred to.
it's also worth pointing out that the statue, that gives the player the shade cloak. If you dream nail it you get: Void... without unity (or something along these lines).
while if you have Void heart, you get: Lord of Shades.
@@lucasvalls5436 You know, now I want to check if they added dialogue for when you have the Weathered Mask or the Void Idol.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the possibility that the Pale Lurker chained up the Godseeker's coffin, since we find the simple key in her lair. Yes, there are several simple keys in the game, but they all open other locks within the game, whereas the Pale Lurker and her key were added with the Godmaster DLC. Her fighting prowess and obsession with the Pale King suggests that she was once a warrior loyal to the King - like the Five Great Knights or Xero. It's even possible that it was contact with the Godseeker's mind that drove her insane, which in turn resulted in her being captured and taken to the Colosseum.