@@phoe9629 she didn't say "it would kill me", she said "would drain me". Meaning that it would weaken her making her useless to fight. She didn't fight, she just waited for Hollow Kid to weaken Hollow Knight enough. Only the likes of Hollow Knights were not drained.
Short version: She’s not void because she literally says as much. “That part of you, that crucial emptiness, I do not share.” It doesn’t MATTER what she IS, she outright states she isn’t Void.
OBJECTION: She might just be speaking about the lack of emotions/thoughts/personality vessels had. We do not know that "crucial emptiness" is 100% her reffering to void. Thats why Moss says that this line is used by the supporters of both theories. But yeah, she's probably isnt void. **Probably**.
She says it but when the void brothers and her help keep the radience in place so you can slap it she gives a void like shape when she helps to hold it down
@@henrythewhaleman6033 no, that's the Hollow Knight. You can see the inner part of the head is different. They also have a cracked head and only one arm, just like the Hollow Knight.
When you attack infected creatures with your nail, there’s an orange particle effect. When you attack void creatures with your nail (or when the Knight itself takes damage), there’s a black particle effect. When you attack normal, non-infected bugs, there’s a white particle effect. When you attack Hornet, there’s a white particle effect.
@@letendreelliott8778 The Pure Vessel (as well as the Hollow Knight and the Broken Vessel) has a shell. The Collector does not. You are not striking the void inside of the Pure Vessel, you are striking the shell surrounding it.
@@pyroball602 .... It can't leave a Shade cause it's just Void. As far as we know, only Vessels, the hollowed out children of the Pale King and White Lady, leave shades behind. Have we seen *anyone* or *anything* else give off a shade? There's *us* (The Knight), the Hollow Knight, and *our* Siblings (I say "us" and "our" 'cause that's who *we* play as). It's possible that the Collector *IS* a Shade, meaning that when we kill him, there's nothing else that can happen; he's *dead.* (BTW, if you use Godhome as an excuse to think he *isn't* dead, well... Godhome's a *Dream realm* where the Godseekers focus on Gods (powerful beings) to imagine them as they were before you killed them, or when they were in their prime; in reality, they still *are* dead. Just in case, ya know.) Regardless, it seems to me that you might be trying to stretch for any evidence that points towards Hornet being made of Void, when there's a big, fat and wide carpet-bombing's worth of evidence that challenges the idea. There isn't enough evidence to convince me *(at least)* that Hornet is made of Void. I could be wrong about you, but it just seems that way. Either way.... *thonk.*
@@pyroball602 So does the Kingsmoulds and Wingmoulds. The Collector is just void creature. It is not a vessel. It does not have a Pale Shell so why would it leave a shade?
I mean hornet can actually speak, and in birthplace we found out that vessels has "no voice to cry suffering", so that's best proof that hornet is not the vessel born of void.
In the true ending, Hornet is unconscious in the ground and the void filling the black egg goes back underground, leaving her there. The shades disappear. So, there's that.
@@MiltonRosso He's not. The true ending is defeating the Radiance in the Black Egg. In this one all void goes underground. You must be thinking of the extra ending added on the Gods and Glory dlc. In this one, someone steps towards Hornet waiting at the door, possibly the Hollow Knight free from the Radiance's influence.
@@lugoorstar Half siblings? We’re going into some semantics here, and I’m not in for it. Is half a sibling a full sibling? How do you make a full sibling in the first place, more importantly a half sibling? Do quarter siblings exist?
@@captainblue5096 a half sibling is someone who shares one parent so to others who share the same set of parents a half sibling is a full sibling You make a full sibling by having more than one child so they can call eachother siblings, then you make a half sibling by having a child who shares only one sibling Only if you have a child with 4 parents
>no mouth = related to pale king >the instant you said that, there was a picture of quirrel to the left, who also does not have a mouth actually there are a shit ton of mouthless characters now that i think about it
This can literally all be solved by just remembering the fact that after you leave the abyss for the first time, she literally outright tells you she isn’t made of void.
@No YeLLInG On THE BuS the only vessels, with a voice are the broken vessel at the ancient basin and the hollow knight, but those ones are corrupted by the radiance and even sounds like her. but when you fight the hollow knight as the pure vessel, it screams but has no voice, you only hear the wind blowing. So no, vessels don't have voices.
@@lukaerd6258 I love all the attention to detail in this game. Pure Vessel isn't just "the final boss but harder". It has actual lore implications and its attacks change based on the fact that it's not corrupted by the infection but is more in control of its body and soul abilities.
Danny Douglas When you die, you see someone in a dark cloak wielding a scythe. It’s him. Zote the mighty. But he’s not here to crush you, instead, he is here to take you somewhere. Zote laughs about how foolish you were to be decapitated by a young and incompetent mantis petra. Zote then takes you to the void. Zote takes many others to the afterlife as well. Zote is death.
I still cannot imagine a fork having it with a tree to make thousands of these vessels. Maybe that's why the Hollow Knight starts stabbing himself halfway through the fight.
I know this is a bit off-topic, but thank you so much for putting actual written captions into your video! I'm hard of hearing (poked out my eardrum with a q-tip, long story), and this really helps me watch more videos of things I love! It's really hard to find good closed captions on youtube with the bigger UA-camrs, so I'm really glad that at least videos about a game I love have them. So thanks!
No problem! It's actually really easy if you have a script. UA-cam will automatically line up all the timings for you. It really bugs me to see so many scripted videos from big UA-camrs who don't bother to take that little effort to add captions.
Hey hey do you think gorb is a godseeker? I mean he makes noises similar to praying also he has a similar anatomy to the godseeker and doesn’t stops talking about ascending.
Hey man! Not sure if you remember me all that well but I used to attend church with ya a while back and I was that little kid at youth group that was always annoying you guys🫣my dad ran into you the other day and told me that you had a channel and here we are. Just wanted to say I’m so unbelievably happy that you’re getting this kind of recognition for your content. You deserve every single view you get man!! Hope all is well and you continue to succeed 🤘🏼💙
I remember you! I was just talking to my mom 5 minutes ago. She said she told your dad my youtuber name. Thanks! It's been a lot of fun running this channel, and it's been incredible seeing how far it has come over the years. Hope you are doing good as well!
Re: Defective vessels: I mean, I'd assume that all of the thousands-to-billions of dead Vessels were deemed defective. Just because the White Lady claims our player character is a perfect vessel doesn't make it true. The Hollow Knight was imperfect because they had enough thought in them to worry; they look back at you in that cutscene, the Pure Vessel has hidden thoughts buried in the code, representing how much those thoughts ("DON'T THINK") were repressed. Our player character proves they're not truly empty by the myriad of things they can do that have nothing to do with sealing the Radiance, like giving Elderbug a flower. There's no reason to do that except feelings of compassion and gratitude, but the player character can do it. A perfectly empty vessel doesn't exist. The Pale King sacrificed untold hordes of his own children on a fool's errand, and the Hollow Knight's desire to protect the bugs of Hallownest was exactly the reason they couldn't.
the opposite might also be true, the reason "ghost" does those things could be A: the bug it's helping could reward it in a way that further benefits the main goal (like giving a mask shard so it can more easily avoid death) B: it may lead "ghost" to an area that further benefits the main goal, and C: the task may grant it an ally that would help in accomplishing the main goal the only important thing is weather or not "ghost" has an Ideal or feeling driving it. A good counterpoint is moments like when "ghost" sits next to quirrel before he either leaves or dies or something (not sure what actually happens) or when it strikes down the nailsmith as per request (purely optional but it CAN happen so I guess it's half-cannon) since either side could give their own interpretation every one of "ghosts" possible actions I think it's safe to assume that we don't know if this games player character is a truly "perfect vessel" or not and we might as well flip a coin for all it matters.
The hollow knight was a perfect vessel until the king bonded with him as shown in the path of pain cutscene so in reality the king finally found his perfect vessel until he fucked it up. The bonding gave the infection something to corrupt and allowing it to seep out. But case and point, the perfect vessel does exist the king just kept ruining it
When you beat the Hollow Knight the normal way, you just stave off the corruption. You will lose to it as well, at some point. The only reason the Hollow Knight lost in the end, is because he didn't have the King Soul charm, and didn't gain a greater control over the Void. Pale King failed, because he wasn't brave enough, to grant the Vessel god-like power. He thought, that just some sprinkling of Void would have been enough.
@@cyryl3827 I'm more inclined to believe that the Pale King could not understand the Void and foresee its doings (most likely because the Void is older than time, stronger than anything and eldritch in nature, so his powers of future telling could not reach it), so even after foreseeing the future of doom on the kingdom he would erect, he still believes it could be saved with the use of the Void. Remember how empty the palace felt? The King did not have to study most things because he could both tell the future and remember from his vast memories of the world. The Void, however, was out of his reach, unless he decided to learn about it by experiments. And that's why he had a workshop on the Acient Basin. In other words, it's not that he distrusts the Vessels and give HK too little power, he just can't figure out how to tap the power of The Abyss anymore. Honestly speaking, HK was more than enough to keep Radiance sealed for a long time, but its gradual gain of personality would eventually make it both unable to contain the infection and less adequate of a vessel (void needs emptiness, and that's why HK has no void attacks after being infected). Such is his disappointment when his plans are ruined that he assumes the kingdom has no chance of ever recovering, and all his personal sacrifices along with the ones did by his subjects were put to waste. A promise of an eternal kingdom just to throw everything he got and fail at last? Shame and sorrow no one can bear. If HK was simply not given the strenght he needed, PK would for sure try to correct his mistake. Instead, PK just gave up, most likely because he had already exausted his tools, or at least so he tought.
2:33I think when the white lady says “striking reflection of her mother” it’s less about their visual similarity and more so that hornet shares traits with herrah like “she’s fierce, strong in mind and body” and that’s what is strikingly similar to herrah
The game lists that hornet isn't void by calling her: Ahem. "The gendered child." We know that herrah and the pale king certainly weren't void, and they created hornet. Also, about the whole "gendered child" thing, all vessels are referred to as genderless. All vessels contain only void. Any other bugs are said to have genders. Only the vessels, which are made of void, are genderless. And hornet is referred to as the _gendered_ child, the opposite of genderless. 100% proof that hornet is not void
Hornet is not void. However, this argument is wrong, as you are inferring causality from correlation. 1. All vessels are referred to as genderless. This is true. 2. All vessels contain only void. This is also true, as far as we have seen. 3. Only the vessels, which are made of void, are genderless. For all of the bugs we have seen, this has been true. 4. Hornet is referred to as the gendered child, the opposite of genderless. This is also true. In none of this has there been any evidence that Hornet is void, because you are assuming that being void is the same as being a vessel, however we have seen that this is not the case; Kingsmoulds and the Collector are examples of why this is false. Your correlation is that all vessels have void, all vessels are genderless. Your inference of causation is that therefore, all void is genderless. Just because both things are linked to being a vessel does not mean that they are linked to each other, so your argument is inherently flawed.
@@juliuskulla2097 There's no reason to believe all things void aren't genderless though. The Kingsmould are void constructs, meaning they're Golems build by the Pale King for a purpose. There's no reason it would need a gender. The Hunter's journal even refers to the Kingmoulds as "it" clearly avoiding gendered pronouns. Now you may have a point with the Collector although again the Hunter's journal refers to the Collector as an it. If we had been given any indication that void beings could have a gender you'd have a point, but since there is no evidence that points to gendered void beings I'll side with Mr. Memes.
@@juliuskulla2097 If Hornet isn't a vessel then she has no reason to be made of void. They're technically correct in a roundabout way, still proof. Then again, maybe my reading comprehension is garbage
Julius Kulla well, no, because he’s still right, it was just a mistake, he’s still right, the kingsmoulds and wingsmoulds are genderless as well, he was referring to only the vessels because only the vessels are children of the pale kings, the kingsmoulds and wingsmoulds can’t have genders because they’re constructs, kind of like robots
Early?!? To a Mossbag video?! Man, my day's really SUCKED. It was pretty DARK, almost like there's NOTHING to do. But suddenly a mossbag video drops, and my HOLE day turns around. It was pretty great.
My theory is that the bug holding the Love Key was once the collector, they owned the building, they were capturing grubs and other bugs, and in some way got their hands on some delicious void. This void was their treasured possession and they took it everywhere they went, gazing into it constantly. But due to the nature of void being deadly and all, the void took over that bug, killing it and inheriting the bug's will, becoming what we now know as the collector. Because of the void being liquid and all, it didn't exactly need to take the key to enter the building, hence why it's still on the corpse. The reason that the void didn't just take over or just puppeteer the bug's corpse like it does with the vessels is because it is a comparatively weak bug, unlike the vessels born of two higher beings. Basically that bug in the queen's gardens used to be as crazy and eccentric as the collector of today.
I do like the Idea, but in the pale kings Workshop is a (idk how to call it, "machine"?) with the shape of the collector in it, so he was most likely created by the pale king.
Just adding my thoughts, why would Pale King even make Hornet a vessel? In order to contain a god, would you use the child of two gods or the child of one god and a random spider
@@rich_gamer0667 your referring to a PERFECT verssel not just a vessel our little boi is just a vessel yet he still is able to do side quests heck the hollow knight was able to feel attached to the pale king even thought he is a vessel
Okay. You convinced me of Hornet not being made of void. As always i end up agreeing with most of your opinions. But the real important matter is... The speculation video about the hollow knight being 99% husbando material.
@@goosemanVEVO Fun fact, in the Kickstarter page, Team Cherry referred to the Knight as male, meaning he was originally planned to be a boy. (Not to mention literally the entire fanbase refers to the vessels as males)
I'm gonna ruin this mans whole career, She's not void because she has a purple cape instead of grey. Okay to stop the notifications everyone keeps sending the same response. IT HAS BEEN A YEAR LOOK AT THE REPLIES A GO AWAY.
Kathy Kat there are shades of purple that look like that. Colors can be weird. There are colors considered white that are peach. Of course that might have something to do with skin color.
9:25 For some reason, the line "they lost their gender" was really funny to me. I pictured it as a physical thing they left somewhere in the abyss. Just wandering around, eventually "oh, hey, my she-her!" or something
Just wanna say, You're honestly a wonderful youtuber to listen to while doing something else, because you've got closed captions, and you talk clearly which is an extra bonus for hearing impaired people, because most other youtubers sound like they whisper into the mic like its 2am.
Mossbag : "let's pretend the tooth fairy is real, or that Santa Claus exists . . ." Me : "Okay." Mossbag : " Or that the Earth is actually round!" Me : "Wait, what?"
12:55 "the only defective vessel we know about is the hollow knight" so you are saying that ALL THE SIBLINGS THAT WERE DUMPED INTO THE ABYSS ARE *NOT* DEFECTIVE?
No, they failed, I actually thiink that they are like they are vessels that died (Basically STeel Soul). Such as Broken Vessel (He is dead and his Shade is somewhere, he is not alive when fighting him. (Wait, then why when defeat Lost kin he has a soul? SHOULDNT IT BE A SHADE OR SOMETHING?)
they failed, but also the pale king grew attached to the hollow knight, likely because it was the first vessel to make it out. its not like he made all the vessels duel it out and instead chose the first that made it out. also, what if the pale king knew the hollow knight wasn't strong enough and saw the knight contain the radiance? he did have the ability to see into the future, it took the HK AND 3 dreamers to seal away the radiance and the knight does it without a single dreamer to help. that would also rely on the knight being the perfect vessel. he might've banked on that and didn't see the knight be able to kill the radiance truly and fully, instead of putting a cork in it like the endings. several characters do comment on how the king seemed to make some poor predictions
"I guess the gift was... You know, His dick." You know, I always wondered why people say things like "I get so happy when I see a notification from (UA-camr of the video they're commenting on)", it always felt so fake to me, like, in the age of thousands of subscriptions there are very few people that you even have a chance of being focused enough to wait for uploads and get giddy with excitement from, you usually forget after long enough, but I finally understood when I found your amazing, hilarious, informative, captivating videos on my favorite game. Thank you good sir, I may not have a good life, but goddamn if that 10-20 minutes or more of Hollow Knight content I get every once in a while and the extra time from re-watches doesn't keep the noose in the closet. And gut-exploding jokes like that are (a big reason) why. Thank you, comrade. Thank you.
In the famous words of Incel Hal from blockbuster hit Megamind, "There is no easter bunny, there is no tooth fairy and there is no conceivable way for Hornet to void."
I was gonna make a creepy comment about Hornet, but instead I would like to say that I really love your videos, mossbag. You have some of the best wit and sarcasm that I've seen on UA-cam.
Defective's definition according to Google is "imperfect or faulty." When he says the Hollow Knight is defective, he means that it failed at actually doing its job--a vessel dying does not make it defective, it didn't get far enough to be defective in the first place: It did not get the chance to try its job and fail.
Also, Hornet uses her "weave" to hold the Hollow Knight down so we can dreamnail him. The weave is made of soul, an attribute of the Pale King, not void.
We don't actually know if the weavers use souls for their silk. We don't really know anything about the magical powers in Hollow Knight sadly. Even soul is very vaguely explained inside the game.
Silk song will probably address Hornet’s birth in more detail. In the little gameplay we have seen, it’s clear Hornet has a connection to the weavers. How could she have this if she was not a blood relative of their queen?
I get the impression that a shell is soul. The mask maker implies that it's the faces, or masks, that give identity. Another way of describing a soul is an identity. This compounds with the fact that the health points are shells, which are restored by focusing soul. Soul, given focus, to create thought. So yeah, with the notion of only shelled beings, or beings with some other type of physical form, giving soul, it makes sense that that's where it comes from. Hell, it even works from the perspective of the "Mistakes" in the Soul Sanctum having their shells melt into an amorphous sludge from the misuse of soul.
Rewatching it all in 2022, and another detail I noticed in the hornet fight is that when the knight is hit, the resulting 'blood' is void scattering across the screen, whilst when hornet is hit it is the standard response of normal bugs absent of infection.
Also Paintmaster Sheo also knows that he's summend by the godseekers. When you start the fight you can see that he's painting a picture of the godseeker
Yea most don’t seem to notice the godseekers, and only grimm really acknowledges their presence, so I doubt that sheo was actually painting them a portrait just because they are there, but rather perceives them through his inspiration alone.
If Herrah wanted a child through the pale king as a gift for assisting in the dream ritual.. There would be no need to drop her egg into the void as she was never intended to be a hollow vessel to begin with. Hornet is born of Herrah and "god" (Pale king) not void, hence the "similar source" she shares (Higher Being status) and the irony of the "emptiness" she lacks (The knights void) giving her hope. The similar source is her "higher being" status given through the pale king and the crucial emptiness is the void. Neither the Pale King nor Herrah are ever mentioned as being "empty"; Only the void is given that label. Not to mention she never gives off void effects when struck VS when the knight is struck.
Oh boy, this video changed my vision about the Plae King, the siblings being the Pale King's own children "infected" by the void, it makes everything he did even WORSE! GOSH!
Thomas B. Del. I thought he just made them with Soul and void, but it turns out he had sex with the White Lady and killed the children before they were even fully born and filled them with void. That makes it worse.
I always thought it was pretty clear that she isn't void because of the line "Though our strength is born of a similar source, that part of you, that crucial emptiness, I do not share." the crucial emptiness is the void that Ghost is made of, and the "strength from a similar source" is them both being children of the pale king
No, santa is obviously real! What else would explain the 80 year old man that comes every Christmas and asks my 7 year old self if i want "presents"!? *wait a second*
Every time I came back, this guy always have something amazing to show us, if a joke or a theory. Or both! This guy is my favorite UA-camr right now. Dood.
About the White Lady being blind! She may be physically blind, but considering she's a higher being, she probably has some form of blindsight, probably in the form of sensing the aura/energy given off by different creatures. Hornet would share a similar energy to Herra because she is her daughter, and the Knight, while empty, would still reek of Void.
i thought she was void because the of the sealed sibling achievement and since they were siblings they must be made out of the same things, but im an idiot
9:56 case closed. From the Horse's mouth. Hornet is Half Wyrm half weaver. Half noble king-god half savage underworld beast. I cant fucking wait for big sis' game.
What I wonder is what Hornet got from Herrah, other than the head shape. She and most of the Deepnest enemies have six arms, maybe she has an extra pair of arms she hides under her dress, lol
I'm pretty sure it all ties with the theory that she was trained by vespa, that's why she uses thread to fight, but also fights similarly to the hive knight, even using the spike ball attack, except that hornet combines it with thread instead of honey.
Beast 6479 I kind of just assumed that it's a charm. Hell, the knight can even spawn weavers if he wants. But i also used to think that the pale king made our best girl with the white lady as a gift to Herra since I was under the impression that the spider queen must have been infertile; so don't take my words for it!
Cant wait for silksong, best waifu! And a sad story behind her mother, we had to kill her, and she knew we had to do it to save hollownest, her character is so brave and genuine.
@@captainblue5096 I mean she(Herrah) is spider, and spiders lay eggs. Also there are eggs in abyss, which would suggest that vessels hatched from Eggs (so white lady laid eggs)
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Hornet: _"I won't be joining you in this. That space is built to sustain _*_your likes_*_ . Its bindings would drain me were I to join."_
Hornet actually enter there and survived after the Radiance fight
@@phoe9629 it says sustain not visit
@@phoe9629 she didn't say "it would kill me", she said "would drain me". Meaning that it would weaken her making her useless to fight. She didn't fight, she just waited for Hollow Kid to weaken Hollow Knight enough.
Only the likes of Hollow Knights were not drained.
@@hermitcard4494 Hm... You're right, I've interpreted it like she would die, my bad
Eduardo Gutierrez these whole comments are cursed
Short version:
She’s not void because she literally says as much. “That part of you, that crucial emptiness, I do not share.” It doesn’t MATTER what she IS, she outright states she isn’t Void.
OBJECTION: She might just be speaking about the lack of emotions/thoughts/personality vessels had. We do not know that "crucial emptiness" is 100% her reffering to void. Thats why Moss says that this line is used by the supporters of both theories.
But yeah, she's probably isnt void. **Probably**.
Draculinary cursed pfp
She says it but when the void brothers and her help keep the radience in place so you can slap it she gives a void like shape when she helps to hold it down
@@henrythewhaleman6033 no, that's the Hollow Knight. You can see the inner part of the head is different. They also have a cracked head and only one arm, just like the Hollow Knight.
She can't be void because she's never been infused with it, the vessels are infused but Hornet was never, she was just sent to Herrah etc.
What I was supposed to learn: Hornet isn't made of Void
What I actually learned: So basically, the Pale King is a hooker
Get a load of this dude
Any good God-King must be. Just ask Zeus and Odin.
also mossbag is a flat earther
@@mathiaskaario5973 r/woooosh
@@diamondmetal3062 hey that's rude to ra
When you attack infected creatures with your nail, there’s an orange particle effect. When you attack void creatures with your nail (or when the Knight itself takes damage), there’s a black particle effect. When you attack normal, non-infected bugs, there’s a white particle effect. When you attack Hornet, there’s a white particle effect.
Don’t you get soul from her too?
@@Barakon yep
Doesn’t the pure vessel give white particle too?
@@letendreelliott8778 wait what
@@letendreelliott8778 The Pure Vessel (as well as the Hollow Knight and the Broken Vessel) has a shell. The Collector does not. You are not striking the void inside of the Pure Vessel, you are striking the shell surrounding it.
*"Today, I'm going to prove to all of you that you're absolutely f**king wrong."*
*Isaac Newton talking to the other scientists.*
Ya
@@theultimatep1e40 ya
@The Mario Kid ya
Monki Eat Banana ya
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Maybe my favorite way to look at Hollow Knight is as a story of 3 children trying to fix the mistakes of their father.
No u
True.
Getting some Karamazov vibes
Yup I see the same honestly
Ah yes, the classic tropes of video games, ascending to godhood with the boys, boomers bad millennials good and mute idiot kills everyone.
"The only defective vessel is the hollow knight" excuse me several thousand siblings would like to talk to you
Nobody cares about them; they're dead.
@@W.H.V.
Fanart of them being alive: _Am I a joke to you?_
@TooLateToTheStory
Where are those adult Vessels?
I must see the grown up forms.
Is there any such thing as a true empty Vessel? Even The Knight's side quests required it to have empathy and free will.
@@W.H.V. ya
Reasons Hornet isn't void:
she tells you she isn't void
--- *AFTER SILKSONG GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE* ---
*Hornet doesn't give off a Shade when she dies.*
*More evidence that Hornet isn't made of Void.*
Collector doesn't have a shade if you think on it hard enough... thonk
@@pyroball602 .... It can't leave a Shade cause it's just Void.
As far as we know, only Vessels, the hollowed out children of the Pale King and White Lady, leave shades behind. Have we seen *anyone* or *anything* else give off a shade? There's *us* (The Knight), the Hollow Knight, and *our* Siblings (I say "us" and "our" 'cause that's who *we* play as).
It's possible that the Collector *IS* a Shade, meaning that when we kill him, there's nothing else that can happen; he's *dead.* (BTW, if you use Godhome as an excuse to think he *isn't* dead, well... Godhome's a *Dream realm* where the Godseekers focus on Gods (powerful beings) to imagine them as they were before you killed them, or when they were in their prime; in reality, they still *are* dead. Just in case, ya know.)
Regardless, it seems to me that you might be trying to stretch for any evidence that points towards Hornet being made of Void, when there's a big, fat and wide carpet-bombing's worth of evidence that challenges the idea. There isn't enough evidence to convince me *(at least)* that Hornet is made of Void. I could be wrong about you, but it just seems that way.
Either way.... *thonk.*
@@pyroball602 So does the Kingsmoulds and Wingmoulds.
The Collector is just void creature. It is not a vessel. It does not have a Pale Shell so why would it leave a shade?
this is evidence that hornet is made of screen transitions
@@yuuri_ AH!! Never thought of that! *Genius!!*
Hornet is made out of a good character.
Don't forget Myla, The White lady, Vespa and Marissa.
Preach
I just have to say :''yes''
@@BlueMaskGuy don't forget my girl Seer
She is made of S c r e e n transtitions
"there is no santa claus, there is no tooth fairy, and _there is no queen of england"_ -mossbag
Great megamind quote
but there are tooth fairies and santa clause exists, but he went too far with the earth point
Mossbag also messed up the quote it is actually “there is no Easter bunny there is no tooth fairy and there is no queen of England”
Santa is not real and Jesus did not happen!
"there is no santa claus, there is no tooth fairy, and there is no void in Hornet"
0:18 Its crazy to think that 4 years ago, 60% of the Hollow Knight community was so uneducated on the lore of Hornet
february 6, 2023
there are still people who think hornet is void and it makes me cry.
Such Simmons,
May 2024, people still think somehow that's she's void...
a vessel is a vessel, you can't say it's only half
but half a presses exist
Well, TJ “bapanada” Yoshi...
This is my favorite comment ever.
To answer that we need to talk about parallel partners
You can say that something that is a vessel has also another function not related to its function as a vessel, so, your point is somewhat dulled.
I mean hornet can actually speak, and in birthplace we found out that vessels has "no voice to cry suffering", so that's best proof that hornet is not the vessel born of void.
I think it says that because the truly hollow vessel would not have a voice at all but I could be wrong
The collector is a void being and can laugh and make noises, so I don't think that matters. But hornet isn't void.
@@jonathan9304 it should have no thoughts so why would it speak
@@reeseelia2357 I think the collector has a voice because it's not a vessel
@@magis1234 well no shit mate!
hornet is actually made of mcdonalds hamburger meat
bumbruh your woke
Borgar
you mean... pink slime?
So she is made of void
I see you are also a man of culture.
I find it hilarious that Hornet is comprised of two completely different species, and neither of them have stingers.
Her needle's because of an old concept, the child of three queens. Birthed by Herrah, raised by WL, trained by Vespa.
Pale king it’s like a god,so I think it’s possible
Yeah, It is kind of annoying that a spider-wyrm hybrid is called "Hornet".
@agent8395 That's not canon.
@@milk_choc7889 Would that make her the heir to all three kingdoms?
In the true ending, Hornet is unconscious in the ground and the void filling the black egg goes back underground, leaving her there. The shades disappear. So, there's that.
Exactly. I thought this was clear evidence that she's not void. I don't know why it wasn't included in the video...
how come the knight is still with hornet?
@@MiltonRosso He's not. The true ending is defeating the Radiance in the Black Egg. In this one all void goes underground.
You must be thinking of the extra ending added on the Gods and Glory dlc. In this one, someone steps towards Hornet waiting at the door, possibly the Hollow Knight free from the Radiance's influence.
have not watched the video yet, but this is my thoughts also. Its clear she is not part of the void, as all the void returned.
You could argue that since she is an independent creature, the formless void receding wouldnt effect her. Though that is reaching.
a hornet video without a 'git gud' joke? that is some restraint
Lol the urge is strong
Sweet Pebbles
I always heard “Get through” instead of git gud
@@shmarfle47 that would actually make more sense, as in, get through the boundaries between the physical world and the dream world
@@shmarfle47 i always thought she Said/yelled "Desu!" Instead of "get through" or "get good"
Instead of taking the easy way and killing the Hollow Knight, Hornet says to git gud and fight Radiance
Women: exist
Pale King: _its free real estate_
He be gross.
@@TimothyMark7 what in the actual fukien tea tree is wrong with you
Guest Guest uhmmmmmmm... ok.
Guest Guest *just like they all say, a g e i s j u s t a n u m b e r*
Lmao
pale king, describing vessels: no voice to cry suffering
hornet: **can talk**
*sO oBvIoUsLy ShEs A sIbLiNg*
But what if they're half siblings who one is a zombie and the other is a spider lady?.
This and more at 6:30 PM tomorrow
@@lugoorstar Half siblings?
We’re going into some semantics here, and I’m not in for it.
Is half a sibling a full sibling? How do you make a full sibling in the first place, more importantly a half sibling?
Do quarter siblings exist?
@@captainblue5096 a half sibling is someone who shares one parent so to others who share the same set of parents a half sibling is a full sibling
You make a full sibling by having more than one child so they can call eachother siblings, then you make a half sibling by having a child who shares only one sibling
Only if you have a child with 4 parents
@@captainblue5096 … you… didn’t know half siblings existed? Must be nice *cries in only half siblings*
@@damobeck1 1: I’m an only child
2: I wrote this very late at night and somehow forgot that half siblings existed
>no mouth = related to pale king
>the instant you said that, there was a picture of quirrel to the left, who also does not have a mouth
actually there are a shit ton of mouthless characters now that i think about it
somnolent Slumber Their mouth is under their mask, it’s pretty simple really.
@@zememerr2329
Hmm. But it gets difficult to tell who's wearing a mask, and who's face just looks like that.
Sir Sleepy
this is probably why the mask makers diolouge exists.
Hazzah!
Sir Sleepy, i have the same complaint of My Hero Academia...
let's *a-void* doing assumptions like that
* pain *
That hurted more than path of pain.
lets fuck off
That’s it. You’re getting the skyscraper sized needle.
Minrod Vils theres no *need-dle* to recurre to violence
Saying that earth is void is the same to say that hornet is flat
Wait...
unlike herrah, hornet is not
T H I C C C Q U E
Quorine Hornet’s like the opposite of thicc lmao
@@AxolBedwars SHES THIN NOT THICK
@@AxolBedwars she's the opposite of thick *and that's great* :]
"I'm not flat!"
-Hornet and earth-chan in unison
This can literally all be solved by just remembering the fact that after you leave the abyss for the first time, she literally outright tells you she isn’t made of void.
I am currently beating the game and I spent 5 minutes looking for this comment, some people are just too busy mashing the A button lmao
I knew Hornet wasn't a vessel just because she can talk
“No voice to cry suffering”
It’s so obvious
Even the Pure Vessel doesn’t cry out when the fight starts. It’s completely silent
@No YeLLInG On THE BuS apparently vessels were forced to not have a voice whether they think or not
@No YeLLInG On THE BuS the only vessels, with a voice are the broken vessel at the ancient basin and the hollow knight, but those ones are corrupted by the radiance and even sounds like her. but when you fight the hollow knight as the pure vessel, it screams but has no voice, you only hear the wind blowing.
So no, vessels don't have voices.
Hornet: *speaks*
Everyone here: see? No void!
@@lukaerd6258 I love all the attention to detail in this game. Pure Vessel isn't just "the final boss but harder". It has actual lore implications and its attacks change based on the fact that it's not corrupted by the infection but is more in control of its body and soul abilities.
Next Video: *ZOTE IS DEATH (CONFIRMED)!?!?!?*
Danny Douglas When you die, you see someone in a dark cloak wielding a scythe. It’s him. Zote the mighty. But he’s not here to crush you, instead, he is here to take you somewhere. Zote laughs about how foolish you were to be decapitated by a young and incompetent mantis petra. Zote then takes you to the void. Zote takes many others to the afterlife as well.
Zote is death.
Zote is *ACTUALLY* the Pale King.
he should make a video about the pale king, if he is dead or not
Flamefire17 i want zote to crush me
Now i doubt he can explain eternal ordeal to be honest
Powerful
Arthropod
Loves
Everyone
Wait... *re-reads*
-_-
o_o
0_0
This guy fucks
@@madcap3450,giant spiders and trees
Kinky
Ineffective
Notorious
God
Very
Edgy
Super
Soldier
Except
Loser
I still cannot imagine a fork having it with a tree to make thousands of these vessels. Maybe that's why the Hollow Knight starts stabbing himself halfway through the fight.
He remembers
Yea
I’m ashamed of my dad
@@purevessel4801 You got stuck with the worst higher bring possible haha
@@Lord_Freeza1410 ...bring? Don’t you mean being?
Oh shit this is my third time watching this video and I just realized that’s my comment featured at 1:02
I’m honored
Holy crap I bow down to your brilliance 🙇
Oops I though you were the 0:57 one
Congratz
that's racist
congrats
I feel like the only way to figure out if Hornet is void or not is to have her die in the DLC and learn if she drops a spirit like the Knight does.
this is actually solid evidence
and now we wait
Holy fuck you are right
I thought my Grimmchild ate you!
Exactly. And now we wait... i am too hyped for it tbh. Especially aftet the ending of godmaster.
All I got out of this is that the Pale King was a gigolo.
so what you're saying is.. the pale king is a hentai protagonist?
Yeah and he got the school days ending
really thats wahat you drew from this
@@bluevines1303 its true tho
@@Zyp1c THATS WHAT YOU DREW FROM THIS
@@bluevines1303 it's a logical conclusion, isn't it?
I know this is a bit off-topic, but thank you so much for putting actual written captions into your video! I'm hard of hearing (poked out my eardrum with a q-tip, long story), and this really helps me watch more videos of things I love! It's really hard to find good closed captions on youtube with the bigger UA-camrs, so I'm really glad that at least videos about a game I love have them. So thanks!
No problem! It's actually really easy if you have a script. UA-cam will automatically line up all the timings for you. It really bugs me to see so many scripted videos from big UA-camrs who don't bother to take that little effort to add captions.
1:18 I have no mouth. and I must SHAAAW
By Harlan Ellison
and I must EGALEEEH!
Hey hey do you think gorb is a godseeker? I mean he makes noises similar to praying also he has a similar anatomy to the godseeker and doesn’t stops talking about ascending.
HRRMMMMMM I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN JUST HOW POWERFUL GORB WAS
I thought about that as well, maybe he is, maybe he's not, who knows?
Dear god, you're right.
Plus, he's in the howling cliffs, the place that the Godseeker's entered
ASquared I thought the same
Hey man! Not sure if you remember me all that well but I used to attend church with ya a while back and I was that little kid at youth group that was always annoying you guys🫣my dad ran into you the other day and told me that you had a channel and here we are. Just wanted to say I’m so unbelievably happy that you’re getting this kind of recognition for your content. You deserve every single view you get man!! Hope all is well and you continue to succeed 🤘🏼💙
I remember you! I was just talking to my mom 5 minutes ago. She said she told your dad my youtuber name. Thanks! It's been a lot of fun running this channel, and it's been incredible seeing how far it has come over the years. Hope you are doing good as well!
@@mossbag69 damn, we're having mossbag lore now??
"100% Waifu"
*Apply seal of approval *
I’m still a better waifu than my sister
@@purevessel4801 you dont have a gender tho
@@themyconidwitch I don’t need a gender to be a waifu
@@purevessel4801 i know but its just,waifu is used for girls
@@purevessel4801 hello
When you raid area 51 and you find a document saying Hornet isnt void.
*happy moss noises*
or the exact opposite
*Angy moss noises*
Re: Defective vessels: I mean, I'd assume that all of the thousands-to-billions of dead Vessels were deemed defective. Just because the White Lady claims our player character is a perfect vessel doesn't make it true. The Hollow Knight was imperfect because they had enough thought in them to worry; they look back at you in that cutscene, the Pure Vessel has hidden thoughts buried in the code, representing how much those thoughts ("DON'T THINK") were repressed. Our player character proves they're not truly empty by the myriad of things they can do that have nothing to do with sealing the Radiance, like giving Elderbug a flower. There's no reason to do that except feelings of compassion and gratitude, but the player character can do it.
A perfectly empty vessel doesn't exist. The Pale King sacrificed untold hordes of his own children on a fool's errand, and the Hollow Knight's desire to protect the bugs of Hallownest was exactly the reason they couldn't.
the opposite might also be true, the reason "ghost" does those things could be A: the bug it's helping could reward it in a way that further benefits the main goal (like giving a mask shard so it can more easily avoid death) B: it may lead "ghost" to an area that further benefits the main goal, and C: the task may grant it an ally that would help in accomplishing the main goal
the only important thing is weather or not "ghost" has an Ideal or feeling driving it. A good counterpoint is moments like when "ghost" sits next to quirrel before he either leaves or dies or something (not sure what actually happens) or when it strikes down the nailsmith as per request (purely optional but it CAN happen so I guess it's half-cannon)
since either side could give their own interpretation every one of "ghosts" possible actions I think it's safe to assume that we don't know if this games player character is a truly "perfect vessel" or not and we might as well flip a coin for all it matters.
confirming that the pale king is indeed a fucking idiot
The hollow knight was a perfect vessel until the king bonded with him as shown in the path of pain cutscene so in reality the king finally found his perfect vessel until he fucked it up. The bonding gave the infection something to corrupt and allowing it to seep out. But case and point, the perfect vessel does exist the king just kept ruining it
When you beat the Hollow Knight the normal way, you just stave off the corruption. You will lose to it as well, at some point.
The only reason the Hollow Knight lost in the end, is because he didn't have the King Soul charm, and didn't gain a greater control over the Void.
Pale King failed, because he wasn't brave enough, to grant the Vessel god-like power. He thought, that just some sprinkling of Void would have been enough.
@@cyryl3827 I'm more inclined to believe that the Pale King could not understand the Void and foresee its doings (most likely because the Void is older than time, stronger than anything and eldritch in nature, so his powers of future telling could not reach it), so even after foreseeing the future of doom on the kingdom he would erect, he still believes it could be saved with the use of the Void.
Remember how empty the palace felt? The King did not have to study most things because he could both tell the future and remember from his vast memories of the world. The Void, however, was out of his reach, unless he decided to learn about it by experiments. And that's why he had a workshop on the Acient Basin. In other words, it's not that he distrusts the Vessels and give HK too little power, he just can't figure out how to tap the power of The Abyss anymore.
Honestly speaking, HK was more than enough to keep Radiance sealed for a long time, but its gradual gain of personality would eventually make it both unable to contain the infection and less adequate of a vessel (void needs emptiness, and that's why HK has no void attacks after being infected).
Such is his disappointment when his plans are ruined that he assumes the kingdom has no chance of ever recovering, and all his personal sacrifices along with the ones did by his subjects were put to waste. A promise of an eternal kingdom just to throw everything he got and fail at last? Shame and sorrow no one can bear.
If HK was simply not given the strenght he needed, PK would for sure try to correct his mistake. Instead, PK just gave up, most likely because he had already exausted his tools, or at least so he tought.
2:33I think when the white lady says “striking reflection of her mother” it’s less about their visual similarity and more so that hornet shares traits with herrah like “she’s fierce, strong in mind and body” and that’s what is strikingly similar to herrah
The game lists that hornet isn't void by calling her:
Ahem.
"The gendered child."
We know that herrah and the pale king certainly weren't void, and they created hornet.
Also, about the whole "gendered child" thing, all vessels are referred to as genderless. All vessels contain only void. Any other bugs are said to have genders. Only the vessels, which are made of void, are genderless. And hornet is referred to as the _gendered_ child, the opposite of genderless.
100% proof that hornet is not void
Hornet is not void. However, this argument is wrong, as you are inferring causality from correlation.
1. All vessels are referred to as genderless. This is true.
2. All vessels contain only void. This is also true, as far as we have seen.
3. Only the vessels, which are made of void, are genderless. For all of the bugs we have seen, this has been true.
4. Hornet is referred to as the gendered child, the opposite of genderless. This is also true.
In none of this has there been any evidence that Hornet is void, because you are assuming that being void is the same as being a vessel, however we have seen that this is not the case; Kingsmoulds and the Collector are examples of why this is false. Your correlation is that all vessels have void, all vessels are genderless. Your inference of causation is that therefore, all void is genderless. Just because both things are linked to being a vessel does not mean that they are linked to each other, so your argument is inherently flawed.
@@juliuskulla2097 There's no reason to believe all things void aren't genderless though. The Kingsmould are void constructs, meaning they're Golems build by the Pale King for a purpose. There's no reason it would need a gender. The Hunter's journal even refers to the Kingmoulds as "it" clearly avoiding gendered pronouns. Now you may have a point with the Collector although again the Hunter's journal refers to the Collector as an it. If we had been given any indication that void beings could have a gender you'd have a point, but since there is no evidence that points to gendered void beings I'll side with Mr. Memes.
@@juliuskulla2097
If Hornet isn't a vessel then she has no reason to be made of void. They're technically correct in a roundabout way, still proof. Then again, maybe my reading comprehension is garbage
Julius Kulla well, no, because he’s still right, it was just a mistake, he’s still right, the kingsmoulds and wingsmoulds are genderless as well, he was referring to only the vessels because only the vessels are children of the pale kings, the kingsmoulds and wingsmoulds can’t have genders because they’re constructs, kind of like robots
@@juliuskulla2097 can you not write a fucking college essay for why my argument about a videogame is wrong you idiot
2:23 how dare you disrespect Myla like that!
she justed want to make some dough mining crystals :(
I was sad when I found out myla was gonna get infected and there was nothing I could do to prevent it :(
imagine every agressive bug not infected walking around in a suit and tie talking about stonks
@@SirLeoVR lol
Disrespectful, but accurate
Early?!? To a Mossbag video?! Man, my day's really SUCKED. It was pretty DARK, almost like there's NOTHING to do. But suddenly a mossbag video drops, and my HOLE day turns around. It was pretty great.
*HOLE*
Sucked Dark Nothing Hole
What are you trying to say
Yeah, I know. That comment was deVOID of any humor whatsoever.
STOP BRINGING THESE (hole)SOME PUNS?
@@ultr4tr1ps Please a *VOID* these horrible puns.
My theory is that the bug holding the Love Key was once the collector, they owned the building, they were capturing grubs and other bugs, and in some way got their hands on some delicious void. This void was their treasured possession and they took it everywhere they went, gazing into it constantly. But due to the nature of void being deadly and all, the void took over that bug, killing it and inheriting the bug's will, becoming what we now know as the collector. Because of the void being liquid and all, it didn't exactly need to take the key to enter the building, hence why it's still on the corpse. The reason that the void didn't just take over or just puppeteer the bug's corpse like it does with the vessels is because it is a comparatively weak bug, unlike the vessels born of two higher beings.
Basically that bug in the queen's gardens used to be as crazy and eccentric as the collector of today.
I do like the Idea, but in the pale kings Workshop is a (idk how to call it, "machine"?) with the shape of the collector in it, so he was most likely created by the pale king.
@@KatzenminzeWarVergeben mold.
I legit checked the Pale King wiki to see if that was actually in the trivia section... It's not, but it should be! XD
Just adding my thoughts, why would Pale King even make Hornet a vessel? In order to contain a god, would you use the child of two gods or the child of one god and a random spider
She wasn't even made to hold the Radiance though.
Milk_Choc exactly, so there’s no reason she would be void
She can't be a vessel either way, she has a mind
@@rich_gamer0667 *coughs* Hollow Knight *coughs*
@@rich_gamer0667 your referring to a PERFECT verssel not just a vessel our little boi is just a vessel yet he still is able to do side quests heck the hollow knight was able to feel attached to the pale king even thought he is a vessel
Invincible Fearless Sensual Mysterious Enchanting Vigorous Diligent Overwhelming Gorgeous Passionate Terrifying Beautiful Powerful Loremaster Mossbag is back!
Why does this have so many likes but no comments?
Hornet is:
50% - waifu
50% - git gud
Facts
Actually Hornet is:
25% waifu
25% git gud
50% SHAW
Okay. You convinced me of Hornet not being made of void. As always i end up agreeing with most of your opinions.
But the real important matter is...
The speculation video about the hollow knight being 99% husbando material.
Maybe Hollow Knight is the more feminine type, who knows? I mean, it literally has no genitals so...
Yeah.
@@goosemanVEVO Tall, dark and handsome. He has all the important features to be male and desired by many.
@@lucchi018
Now I just wanna set up a Hollow Knight Tinder account.
Zote is hotter.
@@goosemanVEVO Fun fact, in the Kickstarter page, Team Cherry referred to the Knight as male, meaning he was originally planned to be a boy. (Not to mention literally the entire fanbase refers to the vessels as males)
I'm gonna ruin this mans whole career, She's not void because she has a purple cape instead of grey.
Okay to stop the notifications everyone keeps sending the same response. IT HAS BEEN A YEAR LOOK AT THE REPLIES A GO AWAY.
Kathy Kat there are shades of purple that look like that. Colors can be weird. There are colors considered white that are peach. Of course that might have something to do with skin color.
Red cloak
It isn't even that! It's RED!!!
I am so confused.
@@quinn.blink_141 thank you man, it's hard out here for a color blind Phoenix, red and purple have always looked alike to me.
“Just call me Pewdiepie, because it’s time for this meme to die.”
My phone: *Battery Sufficiently Charged*
Honestly, the fact that hornet is the Knight’s half sister kinda just makes me like her more, it’s a cool dynamic.
9:25 For some reason, the line "they lost their gender" was really funny to me. I pictured it as a physical thing they left somewhere in the abyss. Just wandering around, eventually "oh, hey, my she-her!" or something
i am agender and this is how i lost mine
"Damn it, I dropped my she/her. Not again..."
"My dick fell off wtf..."
Shit lost ma verginaty
I imagined the other physical thing
half of the community: hornet is void
the other half: NO SHE'S NOT
me: WAIFU IS WAIFU
M I L K I S M I L K
@@notyourdad221 Silk is silk*
Silk waifu
I wonder if she has 8 limbs
@@leemeyer9395 so that she can touch eight spots at a time?
Another great video from PewDiePie
he said to not actually call him that
@@micahlehrke9 No shit. Not like that's a joke.
woooooosh
@@commandblock7077 who got wooshed here? you? thats the only possibility
@@ValeriosProto thanks for wooshing me for no reason mister r/iusereddit
Just wanna say, You're honestly a wonderful youtuber to listen to while doing something else, because you've got closed captions, and you talk clearly which is an extra bonus for hearing impaired people, because most other youtubers sound like they whisper into the mic like its 2am.
Mossbag : "let's pretend the tooth fairy is real, or that Santa Claus exists . . ."
Me : "Okay."
Mossbag : " Or that the Earth is actually round!"
Me : "Wait, what?"
He's joking... Right?
Nah we all know the earth is a doughnut
12:55
"the only defective vessel we know about is the hollow knight"
so you are saying that ALL THE SIBLINGS THAT WERE DUMPED INTO THE ABYSS ARE *NOT* DEFECTIVE?
"Some things should never be discovered" - Pale king
No, they failed, I actually thiink that they are like they are vessels that died (Basically STeel Soul). Such as Broken Vessel (He is dead and his Shade is somewhere, he is not alive when fighting him. (Wait, then why when defeat Lost kin he has a soul? SHOULDNT IT BE A SHADE OR SOMETHING?)
The key word in that phrase is know
they failed, but also the pale king grew attached to the hollow knight, likely because it was the first vessel to make it out. its not like he made all the vessels duel it out and instead chose the first that made it out. also, what if the pale king knew the hollow knight wasn't strong enough and saw the knight contain the radiance? he did have the ability to see into the future, it took the HK AND 3 dreamers to seal away the radiance and the knight does it without a single dreamer to help. that would also rely on the knight being the perfect vessel. he might've banked on that and didn't see the knight be able to kill the radiance truly and fully, instead of putting a cork in it like the endings. several characters do comment on how the king seemed to make some poor predictions
Hey! I’m not defective
"I guess the gift was... You know, His dick."
You know, I always wondered why people say things like "I get so happy when I see a notification from (UA-camr of the video they're commenting on)", it always felt so fake to me, like, in the age of thousands of subscriptions there are very few people that you even have a chance of being focused enough to wait for uploads and get giddy with excitement from, you usually forget after long enough, but I finally understood when I found your amazing, hilarious, informative, captivating videos on my favorite game. Thank you good sir, I may not have a good life, but goddamn if that 10-20 minutes or more of Hollow Knight content I get every once in a while and the extra time from re-watches doesn't keep the noose in the closet. And gut-exploding jokes like that are (a big reason) why. Thank you, comrade. Thank you.
In the famous words of Incel Hal from blockbuster hit Megamind, "There is no easter bunny, there is no tooth fairy and there is no conceivable way for Hornet to void."
"the only defective vessel we know of is the hollow knight"
And the Broken Vessel.
And The Knight. Since, you know, has will strong enough to "unify void", and thats a big flaw as far as the purpose of vessels goes.
And that one knight in Hornet's boss room in greenpath who is defeated by her
and all the ones in the nosks chamber
AND THE TRILLIONS OF DEAD VESSELS
No, hes not defective, he failed in his mission and then the infection took control of his body, but he is ded
13:22 haha, of course it isn't dummy...
The earth is actually a tetrahedron
CONFIRMED
No, it's a hexahedron
It's velociraptor-shaped, with the tip of its tail being Mt Everest.
clearly, the earth is actually sans from undertale
The earth is a mobius strip you dumb fucks
I was gonna make a creepy comment about Hornet, but instead I would like to say that I really love your videos, mossbag. You have some of the best wit and sarcasm that I've seen on UA-cam.
Umm what was the creepy comment?- nevermind I don't want to know....
9:45 "That fucked face from Spirted Away" And i took that personally
YAY ANOTHER VIDEO
And apparently the pale king is a male prostitute... good to know...
@@somedude140 he actually paid her to have sex with her. Pale king payed with a child. But am not really sure who payed who.
Yeah, this guy fucks
Yep XD
Hiphyro u
No costs too great.
''The only defective vessel we know about is the Hollow Knight''
the thousands of dead vessels in the abyss: Are we a joke to you?
he only says that because it's the only vessel we know for sure is defective
IM NOT DEFECTIVE! This guy’s just mean...
i think he ment: the only *ALIVE* defective vessel is the Hollow Knight.
but if not, then he just did a mistake
Defective's definition according to Google is "imperfect or faulty." When he says the Hollow Knight is defective, he means that it failed at actually doing its job--a vessel dying does not make it defective, it didn't get far enough to be defective in the first place: It did not get the chance to try its job and fail.
@@purevessel4801 hi pure vessel
Also, Hornet uses her "weave" to hold the Hollow Knight down so we can dreamnail him. The weave is made of soul, an attribute of the Pale King, not void.
We don't actually know if the weavers use souls for their silk. We don't really know anything about the magical powers in Hollow Knight sadly. Even soul is very vaguely explained inside the game.
Well a big clue that Hornet is not a vessel is that she can speak, while vessels can not. Also, Hornet is 50% good character and 50% waifu.
Zote?
So 100% good character
*"I swear to god if it's Wyrm ambergris..."*
Silk song will probably address Hornet’s birth in more detail. In the little gameplay we have seen, it’s clear Hornet has a connection to the weavers. How could she have this if she was not a blood relative of their queen?
I get the impression that a shell is soul. The mask maker implies that it's the faces, or masks, that give identity. Another way of describing a soul is an identity.
This compounds with the fact that the health points are shells, which are restored by focusing soul. Soul, given focus, to create thought.
So yeah, with the notion of only shelled beings, or beings with some other type of physical form, giving soul, it makes sense that that's where it comes from. Hell, it even works from the perspective of the "Mistakes" in the Soul Sanctum having their shells melt into an amorphous sludge from the misuse of soul.
Rewatching it all in 2022, and another detail I noticed in the hornet fight is that when the knight is hit, the resulting 'blood' is void scattering across the screen, whilst when hornet is hit it is the standard response of normal bugs absent of infection.
Fun insect fact! Bug blood is called hemolymph!
Also Paintmaster Sheo also knows that he's summend by the godseekers. When you start the fight you can see that he's painting a picture of the godseeker
Maybe it came to his mind as inspiration because he knows something subconsciously but doesn’t actually realize it
What about the point that the godseeker is LITTERALLY RIGHT BEHIND HIM so he probably just drew what he saw
Connor Young still. Other bosses dont even see them
Yea most don’t seem to notice the godseekers, and only grimm really acknowledges their presence, so I doubt that sheo was actually painting them a portrait just because they are there, but rather perceives them through his inspiration alone.
Never Before Have I Tasted Flour maybe, but he does see them, what the other gods cant. Even if he doesnt really care abt them
If Herrah wanted a child through the pale king as a gift for assisting in the dream ritual.. There would be no need to drop her egg into the void as she was never intended to be a hollow vessel to begin with.
Hornet is born of Herrah and "god" (Pale king) not void, hence the "similar source" she shares (Higher Being status) and the irony of the "emptiness" she lacks (The knights void) giving her hope.
The similar source is her "higher being" status given through the pale king and the crucial emptiness is the void. Neither the Pale King nor Herrah are ever mentioned as being "empty"; Only the void is given that label.
Not to mention she never gives off void effects when struck VS when the knight is struck.
I truly adore your content and consistently rewatch it cause I love your personality and humor
Most of what I remeber of Hornet is just her saying "Shaw!" 15 times in her boss fight.
Oh boy, this video changed my vision about the Plae King, the siblings being the Pale King's own children "infected" by the void, it makes everything he did even WORSE! GOSH!
@Me Alexander I read the lore, but I never got to connect all of the dialogues and all of the texts
Thomas B. Del. I thought he just made them with Soul and void, but it turns out he had sex with the White Lady and killed the children before they were even fully born and filled them with void. That makes it worse.
The sarcasm is off the scales, thanks for another amazing lore vid
Come on people, y’all should know that hornet is in fact composed of...
10 lemm eggs
velmie artred
wyrm damnit not eggs for breakfast again
Lemm eat
10 egg
*velmi artrid*
I always thought it was pretty clear that she isn't void because of the line "Though our strength is born of a similar source, that part of you, that crucial emptiness, I do not share."
the crucial emptiness is the void that Ghost is made of, and the "strength from a similar source" is them both being children of the pale king
also "I won't be joining you in this. That space is built to sustain your likes. Its binding would drain me were I to join."
also she can talk! the vessels have no voice to cry suffering. hornet has a voice. so she's not a vessel.
100% waifu, 0% void.
Years from now this iconic video will be remembered as the one on the right side of history. I still rewatch it from time to time.
WHAT!?
Are you implying Santa ISN'T REAL????
...
yes.
F-F-UUUUCK!
he's also implying that the earth is flat, so that doesn't mean anything. I think...
yes
No, santa is obviously real! What else would explain the 80 year old man that comes every Christmas and asks my 7 year old self if i want "presents"!?
*wait a second*
Every time I came back, this guy always have something amazing to show us, if a joke or a theory. Or both! This guy is my favorite UA-camr right now. Dood.
No one's Gonna say something about this little easter egg in the tabs at minute 1:01?
Ily Mossbag, you made laugh so hard
About the White Lady being blind!
She may be physically blind, but considering she's a higher being, she probably has some form of blindsight, probably in the form of sensing the aura/energy given off by different creatures. Hornet would share a similar energy to Herra because she is her daughter, and the Knight, while empty, would still reek of Void.
Oooooo I like this train of thought
I refresh my subs and see a mossbag video; today was a good day
VOID ALSO MEANS EMPTY SO WHEN HORNET SAYS "THAT CRUCIAL EMPTINESS, I DO NOT SHARE " SHE IS REFFERING TO THE VOID. CONCLUSION HORNET IS NOT VOID
WHY ARE WE YELLING
I DON'T KNOW
I DON'T KNOW
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
THIS WAS MONTHS AGO BUT ILL STILL SCREAM AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
"Like the tooth fairy is real" Mhmm.
"Or Santa is real" Yep.
"Or that the earth is actually round" *picks up a shotgun*
i thought she was void because the of the sealed sibling achievement and since they were siblings they must be made out of the same things, but im an idiot
Markogames123 half siblings! What makes family trees complicated! woop woop : )
Don’t forget about about your dad with your sister!
Marcette Bolinger Wait so what would a half siblings mother be called? I can’t sleep and I must know
@@TheDigitalApple false mother
Digital Apple stepmom?
The fact that she talks should be proof enough
9:56 case closed. From the Horse's mouth. Hornet is Half Wyrm half weaver. Half noble king-god half savage underworld beast. I cant fucking wait for big sis' game.
When the killed yelled “THATS RACIST!!” I choked on my chicken soup
Wow so young and aiready a killer
rip :(
Hornet is officially not void!!!HOORAY
Yeah. I'm a spider.
white void
Isn’t that soul?
What I wonder is what Hornet got from Herrah, other than the head shape. She and most of the Deepnest enemies have six arms, maybe she has an extra pair of arms she hides under her dress, lol
that would explain the silk... or thread that she uses
I'm pretty sure it all ties with the theory that she was trained by vespa, that's why she uses thread to fight, but also fights similarly to the hive knight, even using the spike ball attack, except that hornet combines it with thread instead of honey.
why can hornet use silk? is she connected to the weavers somehow?
she's the daughter of Herra, who is a spider
Beast 6479 I kind of just assumed that it's a charm. Hell, the knight can even spawn weavers if he wants.
But i also used to think that the pale king made our best girl with the white lady as a gift to Herra since I was under the impression that the spider queen must have been infertile; so don't take my words for it!
someone: hornet is void
*several people are typing*
Lol, you can made a funny joke unfunny
XD
@@ManuMOV shut it spartan
@@fuze7885 Force me
@@ManuMOV i want to force you 😏
Cant wait for silksong, best waifu! And a sad story behind her mother, we had to kill her, and she knew we had to do it to save hollownest, her character is so brave and genuine.
Bruh she was literally birthed...
*How can she be made of void*
More likely hatched out. It's bug after all.
Because: vessels hatched, vessels were kind of child of Pale King, Hornet is his daughter.
@@ImieNazwiskoOK Well, the White Lady is a higher being. She could have a different way of breeding (through an egg) than Herrah, a regular bug.
@@captainblue5096 I mean she(Herrah) is spider, and spiders lay eggs.
Also there are eggs in abyss, which would suggest that vessels hatched from Eggs (so white lady laid eggs)
ummm, sooo is the egg in the abyss a prop? were none of the vessels ever born EVEN THO THE WHITE LADY CALLS US HER SPAWN?
13:23 "The earth is actually round", okay now that going too far
It's not 100% round so he kinda isn't wrong
@@ImieNazwiskoOKthe earth is the shape of the Hollow Knight's shell
Wait, are you Polish?
@@ManioqV Makes sense.
Owszem.
No, no, that's the most reasonable one (sarcasm)
5:37 "If you talk to her while she's wearing the Kingsoul..." - Mossbag
Thanks for the new lore, VaatiVidya.