Fun fact! The bugs in hollow knight are actually human sized, that is because team cherry is from Australia and have never seen bugs outside of Australia
@@extremelynoobgaming4742 probably because Australia is home to many bugs that are either huge or scary as hell so much so it’s become infamous for it.
ok but bill is a common name for extremely powerful beings or objects, for example; bill cosby, bill cypher, dollar bill, bill the shade lord, brotherman bill, bill nye, and many others!
Team Cherry went on record to say how the elegant design, tight mechanics and subtle world building of Corey in the House was a key inspiration for Hollow Knight. They hope that Silksong can at least pay further tribute to that masterpiece but they’re grounded enough to know they can’t surpass its perfection.
Honestly, if that cute little Menderbug didn't have to die, then Hollow Knight would be perfect. I don't want to kill anyone, but as a game person I have to break into every house. at. any. cost.
Everyone knows australian couches hide.... Evil moth gods that kill you with orange juice Arena made out of a giant ass skeleton A giant pit of pure liquid darkness Giant wyrm worm that bassically caused the apocalypse because he couldnt share worshipping with other gods Overly arragant waifu snatcher (zote) Blue Rasberry juice that makes you not die and apparently some giant possibly godman made Im running out of weird things to say a slugs little village of bush monster people Place were wyrm died and it snows the wyrms fricking ashes there like the great grandma of cremations
One thing i think is smart and interesting about the choice to use bugs as the characters of this story is it softens the blow of how dark and twisted and graphic the events are. It allows for an unflinchingly dark story and world to be built, while not being too disturbing. Imagine Soul Sanctum with human bodies. Or the Abyss scenes with human bodies. Bravo
Having the story with humans would just completely change the tone. It would still be dark but not in the same way it is established. Having unpersonalized bugs being zombies is a lot different than human zombies even if they act the same. All in all it isn’t about how dark it would make the story but the added baggage it would create with human complexity. It’d be interesting to see a story go in this ballpark with humans although
I like how the delicate flower is so weak and pathetic that jostling it the slightest bit too much destroys it, but can annihilate the Shade Lord, the God among Gods, and all other names for Bill
When we give the flower to the godseeker, they remark there's no godliness in it. There's an almost comforting lesson in all of it, that if we take something small of ourselves, something pure, if we cultivate it, care for it, and give it freely unto others, that it can temper or remove the gods from the equation. That we don't need the brightest, most radiant light to stave off the darkness, maybe we just need a delicate one.
I am on my very first play through of Hollow Knight, and I was surprised to catch a bug fixing the signs I was hacking down. I'm more careful not to cut them down anymore, lol. (yes, I just watched a whole ass video which spoils everything, idc about the story as much as the platforming)
The Flower Ending is the sweetest of them all, and to me it's the only truly good ending. It shows that a kind gesture dispelled the endless void and destruction. Just a tiny, fragile flower of love can heal the world.
@@Yusuf-ke5iuThe Knight dies in either good ending, and frankly I think it's fitting. Hornet refers to it as tge Ghost of Hallownest, which I think means she sees it as sort of the culmination of the kingdom itself, its ghost come back to haunt the land. In order to properly end this, Hallownest must die. It arguably deserved to fall, but even besides that, it can't be allowed to remain in stasis forever, nor to stumble along as a zombie-like parody of itself. The King is dead, the Radiance is dead, and for things to truly be over, the Knight, the culmination of the regrets of the kingdom, the huge black stain over it, must also die.
That “first to climb out of the abyss” theory was the most convincing theory I’ve heard about how the hollow knight was chosen yet. It also adds a layer of narrative tragedy that the knight almost was the first hollow knight only to arrive just moments to late and to slip back In to the abyss
I really don't think this is the case. I think many of the vessels did make it to the top, but were rejected by the Pale King who used dream/essence powers to gauge their "hollowness", and banished them back into the abyss of they failed. Keep in mind that he also clearly had teleportation abilities, as many higher beings did, especially those with a strong soul and dream powers. So the theory that he was testing hundreds of vessels in secrecy is still plausible too.
I think both make sense. It could be that whichever knight made it first would be the vessel they went with and that the knight just came in right behind the Hollow Knight and then fell back down. However, it could be that the Pale King was indeed throwing all the other vessels off the top and the knight just happened to get to the top as soon as the Pale King had deemed the Hollow Knight a suitable vessel. Something to support the first one is that if the Pale King had been evaluating each vessel that made it to the top, then he would've chosen one that was guaranteed to be the perfect vessel while discarding the others. This isn't the case because the infection escaped from the Hollow Knight so it would make sense that he just went with whoever made it to the top first and just assumed they would be suitable. However, the second case could also be true and that the Hollow Knight was the perfect vessel until the attachment between it and the Pale King happened which would inevitably allow the infection to escape. The part in the memory where the Hollow Knight turns and looks back at the abyss could suggest that it already wasn't the perfect vessel, but we don't know for sure. We do know that the attachment it had to the Pale King makes it clear that it wasn't suitable, but that doesn't happen until later. I think I'm more convinced that it was the first to the top theory, but the second theory is still very plausible.
My personal interpretation was that the King WAS checking for 'hollowness', and only chose the most hollow. In fact, given that the Hollow Knight was corrupted by an idea INSTILLED, it may well have been a perfect, hollow vessel when the King chose it, only becoming tainted as the King raised it to its final form and it gained an emotional bond with the King. The player Knight, on the other hand, found its way out beyond the kingdom on its own, losing its memories and remaining small, before returning to the kingdom. In doing so, it remained free of any corrupting emotional influences, which left it truly pure and capable of containing the Radiance entirely. Ironically, the very fact that King chose the original Hollow Knight and not the player was what doomed the original Knight, and left the protagonist capable of completing its mission.
Radiance: Has a fear of being abandoned and forgotten, creates the infection that destroys sentience Soul Master: Tries to destroy the infection once and for all, goes to extreme lengths to harness the power of souls that result in experimentation on his fellow people Pale King: Tries to contain the infection so no one else can submit to it, commits mass infanticide I see a pattern with these higher beings: great motives, poor executions
I can say i did two things today: 1. Finish the game. 2. Happy crying for the existence of this single video. Love you mossbag. Never in my life would I have thought that a regular animal crossing and stardew valley player would finish hollow knight before silksong came out but here we are and it’s beautiful.
I like how the goodseeker only accepts you into (possible) godhood once you defeat one of their top gods, yet they immediately accept a giant charging moss bag into the pantheon.
This inplies that the massive moss charger is of comparable strength to the Pure Vessel. And i cower to the though of someone making a mod where the massive moss charger is as hard as it.
@@azekia Not all gods are equal. The godseekers start with weak gods that can barely be described as such, and through combat ritual seek to ascend and attune themselves to more powerful gods. The Pure Vessel was their undefeated champion to the point they lacked anything that could challenge it. Only when the Knight arrives does it meet an equal, allowing the godseekers to finally attune themselves to the Radiance through their combat.
Mossbag should replace the Hunter in Silksong, and quiz you on the lore of the creatures you fight. And if you say Hornet is made of void, he’ll automatically delete your save file.
Illuminati Studios haha or better yet THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE COLLAPSES IN ON ITSELF AND FUCKING IMPLODES LEAVING NOTHING LEFT ANYWHERE EXCEPT THE ENDLESS TYRANT OF VOID
@@danielvona8118 Joseph and PK are pretty similar when you think about it. They both try to take down gods, both have vines with thorns (I mean the white palace thorns), and both screw off when things are bad
Born in 89 here. Words cannot convey how unbelievably amazing it was when my dad handed me the snes controller In 1995 and flipped on super metroid and said , your turn boy! It was truly magic for me! Finally picked up hollow knight in 2022 and wow it really really hit home for me! Took me right back to a magical time in the early 90s when life was perfect my mom and dad were still together all my family and freinds were still alive ect. Isn't it crazy how video games can do that for some people!! Thank you team cherry for giving me a ride back home for a little while! It's so appreciated!
Born in 2005 here, funnily enough I did that but backwards. Played Hollow Knight and heard all of the raving about Super Metroid and decided to beat it... like 7 times. And every other Metroid game. They're both masterpieces
I think that the ascension was the test. That's why the king missed it. The knight also made it, that scene was his memory. The ascension those who turned to help their siblings were not pure enough, and when their siblings fell so did they. The one to make it was first thought to have no feelings of his own abandoning his siblings, perfect in the kings eyes, but the king turned his back and left, missing the glance back that the Hollow Knight gave his other sibling-a fleeting moment of regret.
@@eerov8256 Dogs and cats aren't human, but calling a female dog he/him is still inaccurate. Given the vessels lack an identity beyond a gender-neutral name, they/them is the only applicable term.
Or the vessel that ascended first was Zote, and the King though "wat dis?" and pushed him down. Then the second one was so reassuring in comparison that the King picked it at once. Then the third one fell, wandered around and became Chuck Norris.
Grimm is the only bug whose just so damn charming that he can soak the underwear of even the most ardent of bug hating men and women. He's just that classy.
It’s my belief that Herrah’s defense was the entirety of Deepnest, considering it’s Labyrinthian design and it’s plethora of horrifying creatures and traps, thus driving away those who were not killed
This game is one of the most beautiful games I've ever played. The art, dialogue, language, music, the dark and kinda sad tone, the occasional humor, variety of environments, variety of enemies, unending secrets, challenge and reward. Everything is 10/10. I want the second game so bad but I'm more than happy to wait even a few years longer for them to make another masterpiece on this level.
You can tell this guy hasnt played Castlevania SYmphony of the Night or Metroid.... Hollow Knight could never be my most favorite game because Symphony of the Night and Super Metroid have that honor. But then again I'm 37 years old about to 38 in april so yeah...
Other fandoms: "My favorite character/level/plot element is..." Hollow Knight fandom: "These poop statues are deeply touching and make me profoundly sad."
“If you’re ever sittin’ on the toilet, doing a number two, and you look down in the bowl and hear ‘Aha!’, that’s the Defender, keeping watch.” - RTGame
@@Goferek5 Actually, I'd like to talk about the lore. More specifically, what the three mantis sisters' and Grimm's origins are. I'm kinda dense so these things just...fly by me. I didn't really get much of the lore unless it's the main characters like Radiance, Pale King, Hollow Knight, Little Ghost, and Shaw Lady (I forgot her name. I think it's either Hornet or Lace) On the other hand, when is the release of Silksong? Edit: Sorry for forgetting, but thanks for the warm welcome!
Hey mossbag, quick note at 39:58 about Herrah having no creature/s to protect her; she probably assumed that the entirety of Deepnest as a whole was enough to deter/kill bugs attempting to go to her. Remember, Herrah is in the very left of Deepnest, the farthest in. If any bug were to go in to Deepnest then they would have to wander very far to get to her, and very possibly be killed. I know I certainly was killed multiple times.
Yeah, Hera was the first dreamer I killed, so I thought I was going to fight her in the dream. What a relive to only having to dream slap her out of existence without retalitation
I would agree but what about the roar you hear when her spiders stick you to the bench? It implies there is something and it was supposed to eat you, or maybe it was the one who transported you into the cocoon afterwards and was gone in time you woke up.
@@Soundwave1900 That's a good point. I had the volume turned down and had not heard it. It implies that something was supposed to eat you, but something went wrong and it killed the villagers instead.
I think it’s super cool that the kingsoul/voidheart is symbolic of the creation of the vessel, with the king and queen each providing half of the kingsoul, then uniting with void in the abyss.
39:49 So you know how when you get pulled into the Beast’s Den, you can hear crunchy, snappy, noises, and then a boss roar? This is likely what is supposed to be Herrah’s protector. But, you don’t fight them. This is because of Zote. You see, the snapping noises are the sound of Zote’s mighty blade, Life Ender, cutting down the boss’s two mini-bosses, and then the boss itself. The reason you can only hear three snaps is because Zote is staying true to his precepts, namely Precept Fifteen, “One Foe, One Blow”. Zote’s victory is so complete he erases the boss from existence.
@@cactusleaf36 you fool, you absolute buffoon, you moron, you ignoramus, you complete and utter brainlet, the might Zote never dies, no creature in existence could ever bring harm to him. How dare you disgrace his honor by even thinking that such lowly bugs could harm a being of his sheer raw sexual energy. Be ashamed of yourself
@Kvothe Windrunner No no no. Zote is no longer there. His magnificence is simply so great that he has left an imprint on your eyeballs. You will forever see his mighty form wherever he was even if you left him there. All hail Zote the sexy god of sexy sex
Usually, i just put long videos on for background noise, but i found myself actually watching this entire video!! Great work! Seriously, this video is great. Easy to follow along, funny and witty, genuinely just a well made video, and I finally understand the Hollow Knight lore after like 7 months LOL
"the hollow knight then tries to kill itself, quirrel-style" nope nope nope he's still alive he's just swimming in the lake and we miss him every time he comes up for air nonono
It's amazing that I played the whole game, and I had no idea what was actually going on...Thank you for the video! At least I have some things to think about on my next playthrough...
@@SpectreCiNW That's a bit personal, don't you think? If you must know I've got some pills from the doctor to keep it at bay and a scouring pad for when it gets really bad. ... Oh, you mean on the pizza?
3:10 is arguably the most enriching, inciteful, lore packed segment of the video. Jokes aside what a fantastic UA-cam video! Its always a joy to come across such artful productions, especially when the hardwork behind them is so evident. Bravo Moss. Cant wait to see what you think of Silksong! (If it ever actually releases that is)
I’m guessing he probably didn’t get killed by the player, he IS the king, and probably has some protection So pretty much the player broke his favourite mask and he’ll have to sleep on the floor
I'm a few years late to the party, but I've thought of something regarding the thorns and buzz saws. There isn't anything to suggest that the physical Pale Court location has all of the thorns and buzz saws, just the dream version. It's almost like the Pale King is (or was, since he's a little bit dead) guarding his mind against potential intruders.
I just realized something. Pale King's dream nail dialogue is, "no cost too great," and it's heavily implied that he wasn't too great a cost either. Also the wyrms raise the intellect and thought of the bugs around them. Maybe the pale king realized that he was his own folly. Bugs were smarter and able to dream more strongly. More importantly though, he could raise even the smallest amount of thought. He couldn't create a pure vessel to contain the infection because his presence was all it took to raise the vessel up from a mindless being. Even his successful hollow knight was eventually found to contain an imperfection. I think the pale king realized he was the one who gave the vessels thought. I think that's why the pale king hid himself and his castle away. He needed to remove himself to reduce the strong elevation of thought he caused in hollow nest to just a whisper. He couldn't reincarnate and leave the dream because maybe everything would just happen again (or maybe smol boi was just the final step in his life cycle). So the pale king stayed in the white castle in limbo and withered away because as long as he was in hollow nest he would be causing the ascension of bugs, including his vessels. He had to forfeit himself to eventually destroy the radiance, because there was no cost too great to preserve his kingdom.
Thank you so much for this video. So glad content like this exists for my favourite game. It was in my "To watch later" for so long and I finally got to see it tonight and now am just watching all of the other videos you made about this wonderful game. Thank you, thank you, thank you
Precept Fifty: 'Don't Linger on Mysteries' Some things in this world appear to us as puzzles. Or enigmas. If the meaning behind something is not immediately evident though, don't waste any time thinking about it. Just move on.
The problem with their foresight; they could see the future, but couldn't change what they saw. The dead giant mushroom thing in the fungal core said the pale king foresaw a fate unavoidable. Doesn't stop them trying to change it tho.
But the pale king cant be able to forsaw anything which is related to void . If you have seen the tablet in the king workshop , the tablet describe that void can denie time :v
Kinda reminds me of Dune, the book not the series. Edit: There's a giant prescient worm in that series too, I just recalled. Maybe it really was an inspiration.
I always thought that the “idea instilled” that tainted the Hollow Knight was when he looked back at the top of the abyss and saw the player had climbed out and thought “maybe it doesn’t have to be me...”
This is a cool idea, but I think the idea of "personhood" or parental bond fits better. Thematically, it makes the reason the vessel failed, and the story happened, directly tied to their conception. The key-thing about the Vessels is that they were dehumanised by everyone who knew about their existance, including their "parents", the Pale King and the White Lady. They are called "Ghost", "It", "Empty" and "Hollow", all as overt references to that they're not truly alive, and by the game's mechanics they have no "Soul". And that is not even a mistake, because that result was exactly what the Pale King wanted to archieve, and was willing to sacrifice thousands of his own biological children to do so. "No Cost Too Great". So, if the irony is that all of the Vessels did in fact posess Void-based, "alien" minds, as the game implies, then the failure of the plan and the cause of the story lies on the Pale King himself. It's not even that he decided to raise the Hollow Knight like an actual child, his plan was doomed from the start. Interestingly, if we do take the interpretation that the Knight falling, and the thought of self-preservation was the key cause, then we also have to already pre-suppose that the Hollow Knight had a mind, and that it was advanced enough to consider things like survival and empathy. But those things become less connected to the main-plot, because the inciting incident was the knight's fall to the Abyss, and not the creation of the Vessels in itself.
@@rockCity777 The Pale King was blinded by his own hubris. He only accepted reality after he had already left the world, and died shortly thereafter. THK was fucked from the beginning regardless of what PK/WL did to them.
I personally like to imagine the entire Hollow Knights world is located in some garden under a tarp that was forgotten. The Radiant is literally the Sun and the Infection are small rays of sunlight piercing through the tarp every now and then.
Nah, it’s just because Bill is a much more fitting name than the “Void Entity”, or the “Lord of Shades”. It’s much more humbling for the being that can rip apart and drink the essence of an ancient light god like a soda can.
I mean, that would explain why they fight with "nails" and "needles". Seriously, what's up with that, is HW one of those secret post-apocalyptic stories, where the critters first learned metallurgy by picking up tiny bits of metal like nails and needles and forging them into weapons, and now the initial words for those things have just become the word for those weapons or something???
JayJay Noelastnām they are, the hollow knight is similar in age to the knight, and the hollow knight was there when the stag stations were operational. Elderbug clearly states that the stag stations were closed since before he was born, so the knight is likely significantly older than elderbug chronologically. (Biologically however, the knight is a child’s corpse that was hollowed out and controlled by the void, so it is biologically younger than any living bug today)
@@LatteSoul3603 I may be wrong (I haven't really gone too deep in the lore) but wouldn't the knight be older than the hollow knight or the same age because once the hollow knight was chosen, there wouldn't be a reason to make more?
LABmaiL that’s right, I forgot about that. It’s most likely that the hollow knight is older, but the hollow knight and our knight were from the same egg(s), like two twins where one is an hour older. It is also possible that the community refers to the hollow knight as being older due to it seemingly reaching physical maturity.
The dark souls reference and then immediately followed by the Firelink Shrine music. 👌 So good! And it fits the video and themes so well. I love this video. Thank you!
No joke, I love your combo of serious lore talk, and light hearted comedy interspersed within. I hope you find yet another game that gives you as much joy as hollow knight has, and that allows you to make more videos :)
39:48 I've always been confused and dissapointed that there wasn't a boss guarding Herra, but it just occured to me: Hornet was probably supposed to be the one guarding herra.
@@MasterIsabelle you're basically right at this point that place is like Australia but the infection wasn't predicted to escalate this far. Wait Actually there is a spider or bug that protects her and if you kill Herrah it doesn't spawn back and just vanishes even if you didn't kill it once.
Radiance's sad story at working with computers: *there's a ton of bugs and some worm prevents me from working* also the first computer bug was literally a moth stuck in the machine so if your game lags it may be radiance manifesting herself inside of your device and trying to break out or the thoughts that keep me up at night at 3am
Goatgang the crystals in the game are said to sing and mossbag made a joke by making the crystals play Never Gonna give you up. Myla was a bug in the crystal peaks mining for crystals, she eventually fell to the infection
Yeah. Cause Hornet seems somewhat young. Especially since she was born when the whole Hollow Knight thing was being prepared. So Elderbug’s species is just fucked
@@Crusader4Eternity i definitely got the impression that hornet was the potential guardian. she even basically says as much if you beat her and get the king's brand before killing hera. shows up as you wake and says something akin to "it was incredibly difficult for me to just stand by and watch you do this"
@@EmeraldEleki7 nosk gonna be too easy if he was the one who protect hera. i mean yeah uumuu was somewhat easy to thanks to quirell, but watcher knight is a hard boss especially when they do the rolly polly thing at the same time one was on the ground and another one jumping at you. fog canyon is a early-mid game area so i think its okay to expect the boss to be easy, but deepnest is a late game area even one of your first encounter mob need 4-5 hit if you doesnt upgrade your nail so i think its okay to expect a damn hard bosses there
It follows Earthworm Jim's suit's rules(TV show): If you can get in the suit at all, you can control it. Doesn't matter if your an earthworm or a whale.
@@interdimensionalgoober8769 In my head canon Hornet was supposed to be the protector. But since she was observing the knight and knew what it was doing, she let it be. That's why you find her at the very foot of her mother's grave after the deed is done: she was there all the time but chose not to attack.
This video was amazing, the great breakdown of the game with touches of humor sprimkled in made this so amazing seeing this was over an hour long made me think i would need to take multiple sittings to finish it but i got through it in what felt ljke 15 minutes i coudnt believe how fun this was to watch as i only have around 30 hours in this game and am not that into it yet thank you for making this it truly made my 12- 1:17 am
Excuse my English, this video is excellent, I appreciate the effort and most importantly the dedication you put in it, and I also thank the guy who subtitled it in Spanish, I love you both
@@twisms7748 Just out of pure interest, can you say that someone "has subtilted" something because I would use an expression closer to "added subtitles to". But I had a blast reading to the original comment lmao. "Excuse my English" and then pursuits to use perfect English.
I've noticed that when someone says ''excuse my English'' or ''sorry l'm not a native speaker'' they tend to speak way more eloquently then actual English speakers haha.
@@okra7648 it's because we most of us not native English speaker use Google Translate or other apps to write what we say, and sometimes the translation fails and we don't know it failed, bc we don't know the language xD
Esteban Acosta Olivera dijo "elocuente" osea que escribes de mejor forma que alguien que habla la lengua nativa, dicen que hablas chido básicamente, o que hablas mejor que gente que creció hablando inglés.
My collector theory: The collector and his crew were sent by the pale king to find a cure to the infection, and, like in our own world, the first thing you do when trying to find a cure to a disease is looking for creatures immune to the disease. Notice that none of the collectors bugs are infected. At some point, the collector stumbled upon the grubs, who were all somehow immune to the infection. Trying to explain and replicate this immunity, the collector grew mad. He thought up an experiment where he would scatter the grubs all over the kingdom and expose them to the infection in these different conditions. This explains the vitruvian grub, a gone-mad anatomical search for an explanation, the grubs scattered around the kingdom, an experiment and the tower of love, a laboratory. In his isolation, the collector likely doesn’t know that the king is dead, and i really wouldn’t wanna be the one to tell him.
Very nice, calculated and *collected* argument... i would think that speading them across hollownest was not a part of a plan, the grubs are encased in glass flasks, i don't see how trapping them in flasks will let them emit thier immunity to others, if anything it would quarantine them away from diseases to be trapped inside the glass cages, the grubs are clearly hidden away from other bugs in remote areas, high and unreachable places, sometimes guarded or literally behind a wall, The Collector went mad trying to find their secrets so he hid the grubs and protected them, yet still kept a couple of them in his tower for love.
@@wyattmason8838 Collector: "Hello little grub~" Grub: "Please let me go!" Collector: ".....You know Candice?" Grub: "who is Candice?" Collector: *unzips*
@@LeJonanders if you go to the blue lake in resting grounds after finding monomon and killing her. Quirrel will say something I don't remember and then if you exit and go to a bench(I think), when you return to the blue lake all you will see is quirrels nail in the ground. Also doesn't he drown himself? I thought he had a peaceful death.
Hollow Knight lore in a nutshell: Moth cult happily minds their own business until fork man comes and ruins everything. Edit' turns out Fork Man is actually dragon man. Wyrms are apparently limbless dragons so yeah, a dragon and a tree had a kid.
@@TomTheBomb5145 the white lady looks like a tree. Fork bug fucks tree to lock up test tube baby with anger issues in a beeg egg but makes best big sister
18:13 It was a long time after my first time watching this years ago that I found out that Menderbug was actually a real thing, and not some gag that mossbag had just made up.
My best guess for the “pure vessel” status of the player knight is that the old Hollow Knight likely had its own will whereas I like to think that the player knight is being fully puppetted by the player. The lore tablets in the very beginning that contain some meta gameplay mechanic tutorials address not the knight but “higher beings” claiming only the player would see the messages. I feel like while many common bugs would see the knight acting if it’s own will and mind, I think that the White Lady may see the essence of the player and know that the knight is in fact pure and hollow
The pure vessel is in fact our Knight. The reason why the Hollow Knight failed was because it had developed a will and mind via the idea of it's task and it's personal attachment to the Pale King. This was enough for the Radiance to enter it's dreams and influence it. Many of the vessels had this impurity such as the broken vessel for reasons unknown. The reason why the Ghost aka our the player is sucessful is cause we left the Hallownest via the Howling Cliffs which takes away your memories and mind.
I also think this, ok hear this out, befor the knight adventured into the wild out of hallownest he had a mind and a will, like the other vessels, but he list his mind and will in the wild, until a higher being that probably had no physical body in that real (aka the players) took control over the hollow vessel that couldnt think or act and controled it for it to go to hallownest and defeat the radience, being the true hollow knigth or beating the radience and its variations
My smol brain for lore says that the collector was a failed kingsmold where instead of giving it the clear instructions of "protect people" they just said "protect" or they messed him up or something so he went around keeping bugs in jars because in it's 'mind' that would be protecting them. Also the grubs were kind of in a big danger so he was like "I'll keep them extra safe" or something.
Hmm. So what you’re saying is the Collector was created due to poor coding. If only the Pale King had taken some void coding lessons. Well, you can learn all about coding and more WITH SKILLSHAR-
@@revthescatman137 I don't think he yeets them at you, I think he's just a dumbass and knocks them over, because they always fall DOWNWARD, not at you.
Here's the skinny on the Void Monster from the Godmaster ending: When the Godseekers attune with the Gods of Hallownest, those Gods become more powerful. They reach their peak potential. This is why so many bosses in Godhome are tougher than their vanilla versions. This is why the Radiance becomes the Absolute Radiance - through their Focus, the Godseekers have ascended. Their attunement to her causes the Radiance to ascend with them. Throughout the Godmaster DLC, the Godseekers slowly begin shifting their focus *to you.* The player. The Godseeker herself catches herself doing this and gets angry about it. The Lord of Shades, or whatever it is, is the equivalent of "Absolute Void." Before attempting the Pantheon of Hallownest, you are told: climb to the peak of the Pantheon and ascend. In fact, unlike Pantheons 1-4, the final Pantheon doesn't begin with you selecting the option "enter." It begins with you selecting the option "ascend." Through your conquest, the Godseekers Focus on you. Through their attunement, you ascend ever higher. Since you contain the Void within you, and the Void is unified under your will, their Focus causes the Void to ascend. *That's* what I think happens in the Godmaster endings, and what the Void monster is. Would love to hear your thoughts on this, mossbag!
That's a pretty good theory. It is pretty obvious that the attention of the Godseekers does shift from the Radiance to the knight. It's crazy to think that through hours of grinding out boss battles in Godhome you eventually become so powerful as to overshadow even the Absolute Radiance.
so in the end we still dont know what that exactly means for the knight to ascend since its unified under its will we just assume it turns into some void monster guy or accidentally kills itself with the flower
@@Vulpori Basically. Though I suspect it is not killed by the flower, but contained. Trapped in the Dream world/Godhome, perhaps teleported somewhere else.
I mostly agree, but I think it was less the Godseeker's attention that caused the Knight's ascension, but the Knight itself. The Godseekers are trying to ascend themselves, not the gods, after all. They state that they attune with the gods through ritual combat to ascend ever higher. Basically, my take is that the Knight simply does what they've been trying to do, only it does so successfully, truly ascending and becoming a Higher Being itself.
I still thinks Bill is the pale king. He vagely resemblee him, has some connection with the knight, is know for reicarnate, and the circustances of his "death" is surrounded by void and his famous last words "no cost too great" symbolizing he is willing to give away his own godhood to kill off the radiance. Also he can see the fulture, but i think its more the doctor Manhattan type of seeying the fulture, he can only see his own fulture trough infinite possibles outcomes. It could be this was his last choice, to reicarnate as a void being and be atunned trough the godmasters into Bill to kill the radiance
"Quirrel style" he says when he just said 30 seconds ago that he wasn't going to talk about something as though it were fact when the only evidence is circumstantial.
I think the reason the vessel who made it to the top was considered “hollow” is because they would make it all the way up while seeing their siblings falling down to their death as they climb, showing that they don’t have the emotion to feel the need to save the others and would rather just keep climbing
That's very interesting because the Hollow Knight apparently looked back and saw the Knight clinging to the edge. It might mean he did care, and therefore wasn't hollow at all.
@Hooty HOOT HOOT Funnily enough, half of the lore is character-driven storytelling... But the other half seems to be "coincidence-driven" storytelling.
@Hooty HOOT HOOT at least the existence of many different endings allow players to feel that when crazy shit happen it's because they bothered to cause it. I love how this game makes you feel you have a lot of choices.
Im pretty sure Hornet was supposed to guard the dreamer the way uumuu and watcher knights were. She just decided to let us get it which is why her dreamnail dialogue when sitting next to Herrah is her asking for forgiveness that she didnt stop us
My heart is so empty now that I've seen all the secrets and learned all available lore. Silksong is what I crave. I can't find any other games that compare to the feeling of this game. Listening to mossbag always makes me feel better tho.
Last night I got the 3 base endings and thought I was done then I find out there are 2 more and even harder endings feels kinda bad but now I got more hollow knight stuff to do
I like how this game can be summed up as “worm and moth fight over beetles”
Yeah, that’s how I sum it up to my friends
I hate that you can sum it up like that
That is so simplified that it is wrong and right at the same time
And then Cthulhu eats everyone
But worm died and moth is mind controlling everything
I like to believe that all the events in the lore happen under someone's backyard over the course of a week
Lol
Imagine someone's shoe just accidentally cronching everyone to death 👁👄👁
Juni Arvidsson “it’s gone, the radiance is sealed”
*big foot stomps down*
Bugs “👁 👄 👁”
@@dotsyt7765 don't you mean
Bugs: ❌👄❌
Juni Arvidsson oh yes... I love this community
Pale King: Don't worry guys, I have a plan
_Pale King has left the game_
GENTLEMEN
There is a solution here you're not seeing
That's basically what happened in a nutshell
Flawless.
[Crimson King has joined the game]
Radiance is now the party leader
Fun fact! The bugs in hollow knight are actually human sized, that is because team cherry is from Australia and have never seen bugs outside of Australia
Nah I'm from Australia and I once saw one 3 cm shorter than me. Cute little thing.
Nah...
May I know why people joke about Australia and bugs?
Because there are a lot of bugs in Australia @@extremelynoobgaming4742
@@extremelynoobgaming4742 probably because Australia is home to many bugs that are either huge or scary as hell so much so it’s become infamous for it.
1:15:30 "What else would be doing with our lives? Going outside?"
Talk about foreshadowing.
To be fair, the entire games plot if foreshadowing
@@grbrg4007 Team Cherry did the coronavirus.
@@aceoffours9354 to make us play more hollow knight
Ryks e Hey it worked on me
He could have at least gave us a spoiler warning for life
"You're cool, don't go to the pantheon tomorrow"
-Bill
is it just me or was mossbag making another Bill Cosby joke?
Bill to Grimm
ok but bill is a common name for extremely powerful beings or objects, for example; bill cosby, bill cypher, dollar bill, bill the shade lord, brotherman bill, bill nye, and many others!
Lisa Frazer fair
Brotherman Bill
Team Cherry went on record to say how the elegant design, tight mechanics and subtle world building of Corey in the House was a key inspiration for Hollow Knight. They hope that Silksong can at least pay further tribute to that masterpiece but they’re grounded enough to know they can’t surpass its perfection.
So it’s officially an anime game?
JRPG?!
Pfft, the manga compass was better
Honestly, if that cute little Menderbug didn't have to die, then Hollow Knight would be perfect. I don't want to kill anyone, but as a game person I have to break into every house. at. any. cost.
Thomaster шлепанцы “at. any. cost.”
Serving up sum real “no cost too great” vibes ngl
@@thomaster8870 Menderbug is now F@*€ing dead! Is deader than Gwen Stacy
It's weird how many times I've come back to listen to this video for its entertainment. Must be all that time you spent at ICE.
Every year, i'll start another game of hollow knight and watch this thing, its a ritual.
@@azertjml2818same here lol 😂
✅✅✅✅
same🤠
Honestly this video is a great rewatch
“The Hollow Knight starts trying to kill itself, all Quirrel-style”
Why must you hurt me in this way
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KASAA!
I had to pause the video for a sec :,(
Fun fact: Hollow Knight is a realistic documentation of what happens under an Australian's couch.
Down-underrated comment!
Edit: this reply is outdated.
Everyone knows australian couches hide....
Evil moth gods that kill you with orange juice
Arena made out of a giant ass skeleton
A giant pit of pure liquid darkness
Giant wyrm worm that bassically caused the apocalypse because he couldnt share worshipping with other gods
Overly arragant waifu snatcher (zote)
Blue Rasberry juice that makes you not die and apparently some giant possibly godman made
Im running out of weird things to say
a slugs little village of bush monster people
Place were wyrm died and it snows the wyrms fricking ashes there like the great grandma of cremations
To be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised.
Alejandro Borque pffffft
as a Australian, I can confim that we all have bug kindoms under our couchs
Some say scientists are still trying to determine the existence of Adelaide Australia to this day
i live there and im not even sure i exist
Our taxpayers money going to researching a town that clearly doesn’t exist. The gouvernement is such a joke.
Hippotripo ah yes, *gouvernement*
One thing i think is smart and interesting about the choice to use bugs as the characters of this story is it softens the blow of how dark and twisted and graphic the events are. It allows for an unflinchingly dark story and world to be built, while not being too disturbing.
Imagine Soul Sanctum with human bodies. Or the Abyss scenes with human bodies.
Bravo
I never actually thought of it that way but that really does make so much sense, the game would immediately become 18+ if they weren't bugs
Infants, which would be worse
Having the story with humans would just completely change the tone. It would still be dark but not in the same way it is established. Having unpersonalized bugs being zombies is a lot different than human zombies even if they act the same.
All in all it isn’t about how dark it would make the story but the added baggage it would create with human complexity. It’d be interesting to see a story go in this ballpark with humans although
So many unanswered questions.... Can the Wayward Compass bring back dad from getting milk or not??
He's long gone, gotta need sprintmaster for that
did you get an early access to this video or smth? says 1 hours ago, vid came out 2 minuts ago.
equip your baldur shell and tough it up mate, he ain't coming back
Hey Relyea I think Subnautica released a new DLC in which you can find your dad who went to buy milk
As long as he brings the milk.
I like how the delicate flower is so weak and pathetic that jostling it the slightest bit too much destroys it, but can annihilate the Shade Lord, the God among Gods, and all other names for Bill
When we give the flower to the godseeker, they remark there's no godliness in it. There's an almost comforting lesson in all of it, that if we take something small of ourselves, something pure, if we cultivate it, care for it, and give it freely unto others, that it can temper or remove the gods from the equation. That we don't need the brightest, most radiant light to stave off the darkness, maybe we just need a delicate one.
@@wolfleader17 Your comment is a message of spreading kindness and love, thank you for that
@@wolfleader17 *oh shit that's deep*
@@wolfleader17 that’s just beautiful
so you saying that it can... Kill-bill?
I like how team cherry gives a cannon reason for how the signs get fixed
But not for what roared in the Beast’s Den
I think it mabe hera telling the others to shut up and let her sleep
I am on my very first play through of Hollow Knight, and I was surprised to catch a bug fixing the signs I was hacking down. I'm more careful not to cut them down anymore, lol. (yes, I just watched a whole ass video which spoils everything, idc about the story as much as the platforming)
@@SlinkyDragon while my brother was playing he found mender bug I was surprised cause I had never seen it before
@@someguyonth from another video I guess it's pretty rare, like only a 5% chance. I'm a little surprised I saw it on my very first playthrough.
The Flower Ending is the sweetest of them all, and to me it's the only truly good ending.
It shows that a kind gesture dispelled the endless void and destruction.
Just a tiny, fragile flower of love can heal the world.
But... The Dream No More ending is also good. The Radiance is dead and the infection is gone. That's it.
the knight gives the flower leading to it's own demise, or the void part of itself. it basically committed suicide.
@@Yusuf-ke5iuThe Knight dies in either good ending, and frankly I think it's fitting. Hornet refers to it as tge Ghost of Hallownest, which I think means she sees it as sort of the culmination of the kingdom itself, its ghost come back to haunt the land. In order to properly end this, Hallownest must die. It arguably deserved to fall, but even besides that, it can't be allowed to remain in stasis forever, nor to stumble along as a zombie-like parody of itself. The King is dead, the Radiance is dead, and for things to truly be over, the Knight, the culmination of the regrets of the kingdom, the huge black stain over it, must also die.
@@mr.r5261 pal dream no more results in both THK and the knight die if anything the flower ending is the best
Man that's so cringe but also pretty good so ig we gotta let it pass 😭
How to add lore to your game:
Step 1:
*d e a d b o d i e s*
with a dream nail of course
Step 2: despair
Step 3: bleak dying world
@@ignaciotaborda6538 hmm... what unknown game does it remind me of, I wonder....
**Scott cawthon breathing intensifies**
Time to dream nail this corpse here
Edit: that sounds *so wrong*
That “first to climb out of the abyss” theory was the most convincing theory I’ve heard about how the hollow knight was chosen yet. It also adds a layer of narrative tragedy that the knight almost was the first hollow knight only to arrive just moments to late and to slip back In to the abyss
I really don't think this is the case. I think many of the vessels did make it to the top, but were rejected by the Pale King who used dream/essence powers to gauge their "hollowness", and banished them back into the abyss of they failed. Keep in mind that he also clearly had teleportation abilities, as many higher beings did, especially those with a strong soul and dream powers. So the theory that he was testing hundreds of vessels in secrecy is still plausible too.
I think both make sense. It could be that whichever knight made it first would be the vessel they went with and that the knight just came in right behind the Hollow Knight and then fell back down. However, it could be that the Pale King was indeed throwing all the other vessels off the top and the knight just happened to get to the top as soon as the Pale King had deemed the Hollow Knight a suitable vessel.
Something to support the first one is that if the Pale King had been evaluating each vessel that made it to the top, then he would've chosen one that was guaranteed to be the perfect vessel while discarding the others. This isn't the case because the infection escaped from the Hollow Knight so it would make sense that he just went with whoever made it to the top first and just assumed they would be suitable. However, the second case could also be true and that the Hollow Knight was the perfect vessel until the attachment between it and the Pale King happened which would inevitably allow the infection to escape.
The part in the memory where the Hollow Knight turns and looks back at the abyss could suggest that it already wasn't the perfect vessel, but we don't know for sure. We do know that the attachment it had to the Pale King makes it clear that it wasn't suitable, but that doesn't happen until later. I think I'm more convinced that it was the first to the top theory, but the second theory is still very plausible.
This theorie is like sperm... The one who touch the ovum won
I like the idea of our Knight arriving just after the Hollow Knight. That look back...
My personal interpretation was that the King WAS checking for 'hollowness', and only chose the most hollow. In fact, given that the Hollow Knight was corrupted by an idea INSTILLED, it may well have been a perfect, hollow vessel when the King chose it, only becoming tainted as the King raised it to its final form and it gained an emotional bond with the King. The player Knight, on the other hand, found its way out beyond the kingdom on its own, losing its memories and remaining small, before returning to the kingdom. In doing so, it remained free of any corrupting emotional influences, which left it truly pure and capable of containing the Radiance entirely. Ironically, the very fact that King chose the original Hollow Knight and not the player was what doomed the original Knight, and left the protagonist capable of completing its mission.
Radiance: Has a fear of being abandoned and forgotten, creates the infection that destroys sentience
Soul Master: Tries to destroy the infection once and for all, goes to extreme lengths to harness the power of souls that result in experimentation on his fellow people
Pale King: Tries to contain the infection so no one else can submit to it, commits mass infanticide
I see a pattern with these higher beings: great motives, poor executions
Higher beings: I want to solve the problems causing my fears and misery.
Citizens of Hallownest: “Cool motive, still morally irreprehensible!”
Soul master isn’t a higher being
Wait is the soul master considered a higher being? Wasn't it just a normal bug who consumed to much soul? But you, they all a little disconnected.
@Liam Chester I'd consider gods higher beings
@@Lynn-zc9jg the best higher being massive moss charger
I can say i did two things today:
1. Finish the game.
2. Happy crying for the existence of this single video.
Love you mossbag. Never in my life would I have thought that a regular animal crossing and stardew valley player would finish hollow knight before silksong came out but here we are and it’s beautiful.
I mean… at this point you could’ve finished Hollow Knight a thousand times over, with how long Silky Song is coming out.
Good on you for finishing the game, but let’s face you probably still had like a decade left to finish the game “before silksong came out” 😅
I like how the goodseeker only accepts you into (possible) godhood once you defeat one of their top gods, yet they immediately accept a giant charging moss bag into the pantheon.
mossbag is cool though
This inplies that the massive moss charger is of comparable strength to the Pure Vessel. And i cower to the though of someone making a mod where the massive moss charger is as hard as it.
@@azekia It's the exact same fight but they have a cloak and charge at light speed
@@azekia Not all gods are equal. The godseekers start with weak gods that can barely be described as such, and through combat ritual seek to ascend and attune themselves to more powerful gods. The Pure Vessel was their undefeated champion to the point they lacked anything that could challenge it. Only when the Knight arrives does it meet an equal, allowing the godseekers to finally attune themselves to the Radiance through their combat.
I agree, mossy bag is a pet to pet
Mossbag should replace the Hunter in Silksong, and quiz you on the lore of the creatures you fight. And if you say Hornet is made of void, he’ll automatically delete your save file.
Someone make this a mod, quick
Better Idea: If yu say Hornet is made of void the game will just fry your computer and make it explode.
EVEN BETTER, IT JUST DELETES YOU, YOUR COMPUTER, AND WHEN U DIE I GET THE MESSAGE "learn your hollow knight lore"
And every time you start the game, the message "Hornet is made of screen transitions, you dipshit" will appear.
Illuminati Studios haha or better yet THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE COLLAPSES IN ON ITSELF AND FUCKING IMPLODES LEAVING NOTHING LEFT ANYWHERE EXCEPT THE ENDLESS TYRANT OF VOID
"The Pale King resorted to his final plan........ He fucked off" Had me laughing for a minute straight
same
It's like you boss taking a mental health day while your co-workers start 5 different fires
Pale King: save the world, my final message, goodbye
*windows 95 boot sounds*
The secret Joestar technique
@@danielvona8118 Joseph and PK are pretty similar when you think about it. They both try to take down gods, both have vines with thorns (I mean the white palace thorns), and both screw off when things are bad
Born in 89 here. Words cannot convey how unbelievably amazing it was when my dad handed me the snes controller In 1995 and flipped on super metroid and said , your turn boy! It was truly magic for me! Finally picked up hollow knight in 2022 and wow it really really hit home for me! Took me right back to a magical time in the early 90s when life was perfect my mom and dad were still together all my family and freinds were still alive ect. Isn't it crazy how video games can do that for some people!! Thank you team cherry for giving me a ride back home for a little while! It's so appreciated!
Born in 2005 here, funnily enough I did that but backwards. Played Hollow Knight and heard all of the raving about Super Metroid and decided to beat it... like 7 times. And every other Metroid game. They're both masterpieces
Born in 89? Can’t believe you’re 1935 years old
“This video contains a few spoilers for Hollow Knight”
a few?
I mean, he WAS just text on a screen. He doesn't really care if you get spoiled.
@@yungboy_64 nah
Ok
@@yungboy_64 sans have Sean enough you will have a bad timee
Nah, that’s just saying how hard the joke will fly over your head.
I think that the ascension was the test. That's why the king missed it. The knight also made it, that scene was his memory. The ascension those who turned to help their siblings were not pure enough, and when their siblings fell so did they. The one to make it was first thought to have no feelings of his own abandoning his siblings, perfect in the kings eyes, but the king turned his back and left, missing the glance back that the Hollow Knight gave his other sibling-a fleeting moment of regret.
Damn that's actually really interesting and probably the most likely
cool theory, but also the vessels are non-gendered and don't use he/him
@@moxythefirst2208 dude chill it’s just a theory
@@moxythefirst2208 who said they don't use he/him? You still can use those pronouns, they aren't humans.
@@eerov8256 Dogs and cats aren't human, but calling a female dog he/him is still inaccurate. Given the vessels lack an identity beyond a gender-neutral name, they/them is the only applicable term.
Pale king logic:
The vessel that ascend the abyss first it's a pure vessel
The second to do this sucks
You mustn't be aware of first the worst, second the best 😉
Or the vessel that ascended first was Zote, and the King though "wat dis?" and pushed him down.
Then the second one was so reassuring in comparison that the King picked it at once.
Then the third one fell, wandered around and became Chuck Norris.
to be fair, PK probably didn't see the second one
Pale King Logic: *S3x and Buzzsaws*
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Mossbag: “An enemy long forgotten; an enemy who was about to be remembered”
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😂😂😂😂
Perfect
“... and this sexy character, named Grimm...”
Cheers bro I’ll drink to that
Luv ur profile pic
SyanideSigma I would frick a flukemarm-mossbag.
I too shall drink to that
SyanideSigma
If I was 21 I would drink to that
Grimm is the only bug whose just so damn charming that he can soak the underwear of even the most ardent of bug hating men and women. He's just that classy.
It’s my belief that Herrah’s defense was the entirety of Deepnest, considering it’s Labyrinthian design and it’s plethora of horrifying creatures and traps, thus driving away those who were not killed
Plus Old Stag's crap memory. Otherwise anyone could just ring up an Uber right to her doorstep.
I personally think herrahs defence was supposed to be hornet
@@funny250wall Exactly. Thank you.
I think that nosk WAS herrah’s defence but it got infected and went insane. It makes just the tiniest bit of sense
what about the massive dead spider like creature inside the beasts den?
It was horrible when I forgot to put my Buzzsaws and Thorns up when going on a trip.
Came back to a lot of casuals platforming in my flat.
damn, i hate it when that happens!
Yeah me too. I forgot my buzzsaws and thorns and the collector kidnapped us all
... yeah sorry about that. I got caught up in the hype and bailed out somewhere around the Abyss...
This game is one of the most beautiful games I've ever played. The art, dialogue, language, music, the dark and kinda sad tone, the occasional humor, variety of environments, variety of enemies, unending secrets, challenge and reward. Everything is 10/10. I want the second game so bad but I'm more than happy to wait even a few years longer for them to make another masterpiece on this level.
Same, I'll wait as long as team Cherry needs to perfect silk song
Its certainly a lonely tone. Everyone in the game is lonely
@@nathanEatz good point
Really, mossbag. Stretching your video just to get pass the 10 minute mark. I thought your videos had some integrity
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You can tell this guy hasnt played Castlevania SYmphony of the Night or Metroid.... Hollow Knight could never be my most favorite game because Symphony of the Night and Super Metroid have that honor. But then again I'm 37 years old about to 38 in april so yeah...
Other fandoms: "My favorite character/level/plot element is..."
Hollow Knight fandom: "These poop statues are deeply touching and make me profoundly sad."
“If you’re ever sittin’ on the toilet, doing a number two, and you look down in the bowl and hear ‘Aha!’, that’s the Defender, keeping watch.”
- RTGame
@@samboi123 spoken like a true Drift King
If you ever hear "a hondaaaa!" You know your shit is taken care of
@@samboi123 he's actually the only reason that I got into the fandom. Well him and SAD-IST
@@Goferek5 Actually, I'd like to talk about the lore. More specifically, what the three mantis sisters' and Grimm's origins are. I'm kinda dense so these things just...fly by me. I didn't really get much of the lore unless it's the main characters like Radiance, Pale King, Hollow Knight, Little Ghost, and Shaw Lady (I forgot her name. I think it's either Hornet or Lace)
On the other hand, when is the release of Silksong?
Edit: Sorry for forgetting, but thanks for the warm welcome!
Hey mossbag, quick note at 39:58 about Herrah having no creature/s to protect her; she probably assumed that the entirety of Deepnest as a whole was enough to deter/kill bugs attempting to go to her. Remember, Herrah is in the very left of Deepnest, the farthest in. If any bug were to go in to Deepnest then they would have to wander very far to get to her, and very possibly be killed.
I know I certainly was killed multiple times.
Especially when you stumble from a spa into the den of nightmares halfway to her.
Yeah, Hera was the first dreamer I killed, so I thought I was going to fight her in the dream. What a relive to only having to dream slap her out of existence without retalitation
I would agree but what about the roar you hear when her spiders stick you to the bench? It implies there is something and it was supposed to eat you, or maybe it was the one who transported you into the cocoon afterwards and was gone in time you woke up.
@@Soundwave1900 That's a good point. I had the volume turned down and had not heard it. It implies that something was supposed to eat you, but something went wrong and it killed the villagers instead.
Um... then why is there a stagway station right next to Herrah?
I think it’s super cool that the kingsoul/voidheart is symbolic of the creation of the vessel, with the king and queen each providing half of the kingsoul, then uniting with void in the abyss.
I like the theory that the buzzsaws and thorns were metaphysical manifestations of the Pale King's paranoia.
i also like that idea, Rabbi Herschel Lieberman-Bergblattstein
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@@ubt__________ amen
this is SUCH a good addition, i agree!
@@ubt__________ ....what?
Maybe the real hollowknight lore was the friends we made along the way
**when you have a game where you dont talk to anyone and leave zote and cloth to die**
Or the corpses we leave along the way
n-no
심지호 … well atleast I now know to not get attached :”D
The most cliche thing I have ever seen
39:49 So you know how when you get pulled into the Beast’s Den, you can hear crunchy, snappy, noises, and then a boss roar? This is likely what is supposed to be Herrah’s protector. But, you don’t fight them. This is because of Zote. You see, the snapping noises are the sound of Zote’s mighty blade, Life Ender, cutting down the boss’s two mini-bosses, and then the boss itself. The reason you can only hear three snaps is because Zote is staying true to his precepts, namely Precept Fifteen, “One Foe, One Blow”. Zote’s victory is so complete he erases the boss from existence.
This isn't even headcannon at this point, it's actual lore!
Primal Aspid 2.0 but still if you leave Zote to die nothing changes.
@@cactusleaf36 you fool, you absolute buffoon, you moron, you ignoramus, you complete and utter brainlet, the might Zote never dies, no creature in existence could ever bring harm to him. How dare you disgrace his honor by even thinking that such lowly bugs could harm a being of his sheer raw sexual energy. Be ashamed of yourself
@Kvothe Windrunner He just chillin'.
@Kvothe Windrunner No no no. Zote is no longer there. His magnificence is simply so great that he has left an imprint on your eyeballs. You will forever see his mighty form wherever he was even if you left him there. All hail Zote the sexy god of sexy sex
Usually, i just put long videos on for background noise, but i found myself actually watching this entire video!! Great work! Seriously, this video is great. Easy to follow along, funny and witty, genuinely just a well made video, and I finally understand the Hollow Knight lore after like 7 months LOL
What a beautiful name and pfp
Pale King was like:
TODAY I trapped my children in the abyss for 24 hours first one to get out gets 1,000,000 GEO.
Mr. Pale Beast
herrah wasn't a beast, the pale guy was.
And an eternity of painful bondage
@@noctuabird gonna be honest, you missed the joke
mr beast
mr beast
RIP Mender Bug. You were the only one that was truly happy.
then what about myla?
@@foggyforest2625 homie she just mined crystals and didn't even had a cool ass diary
friends I just bought double bounce. and I don't understand the story much yet. Do you think I should watch this video? Do I eat spoilers?
@@batushck what does "eat spoilers" mean
@@Vogelgangg sorry man. Google translate sucks.
"the hollow knight then tries to kill itself, quirrel-style"
nope nope nope he's still alive he's just swimming in the lake and we miss him every time he comes up for air nonono
lmfao
he's just really good at holding his breath!!!!
@@pogo_peach exactly he has a invisible snorkel to breath forever
hes gonna be all wrinkly then o_o
@@ThatClamWiam He's to shy to resurface and became a merbug.
It's amazing that I played the whole game, and I had no idea what was actually going on...Thank you for the video! At least I have some things to think about on my next playthrough...
I like how the mantises just flipped off the radiance and that was it
Haha yes!
wait.. i feel like they dealt so much pain to radiance that radiance just left em alone
"No"
*Radiance has left the Mantis village*
I just realized there wasn’t a single mention of Zote.
Amazing
Because fuck Zote
Zote needs a whole lore video to himself
It would’ve taken too long to include all there is about the knight of great renown
wHaTS a ZOtE????
Me: Oh cool. Mossbag put up a long video. Hell yeah. Gonna order some Dominoes and dig into this.
Me four minutes later: WAAAAAAAAAAAAT...
How was the cheese Urby?
@@SpectreCiNW That's a bit personal, don't you think? If you must know I've got some pills from the doctor to keep it at bay and a scouring pad for when it gets really bad.
... Oh, you mean on the pizza?
@@monsterurby you made me chuckle 🤣
had similar experience, except with block of cheese from refrigerator.
Ngl, that whole "block of cheese" thing felt like a personal attack.
3:10 is arguably the most enriching, inciteful, lore packed segment of the video.
Jokes aside what a fantastic UA-cam video! Its always a joy to come across such artful productions, especially when the hardwork behind them is so evident. Bravo Moss.
Cant wait to see what you think of Silksong! (If it ever actually releases that is)
It’s my sleepover and I get to choose the movie
haha
good one
Trueee
Mood
This is a great movie
My personal theory is that the pale King wasnt dead he was just sleeping in his throne until the player came in and killed him
Oof that's hilarious
He is taking his old man god nap
I’m guessing he probably didn’t get killed by the player, he IS the king, and probably has some protection
So pretty much the player broke his favourite mask and he’ll have to sleep on the floor
Yeah then he gets sick of the players crap and leaves
Ah much better
the "like a Dark Souls Character" comment and transition into the firelink shrine music was so clean
I didn't think anyone else was going to recognize that it was fire link shrine.
Biskits the vaatividya coming in towards the end too
@@блятьмобильный Yeah true, made the comment before i heard him come in :P
I'm a few years late to the party, but I've thought of something regarding the thorns and buzz saws.
There isn't anything to suggest that the physical Pale Court location has all of the thorns and buzz saws, just the dream version. It's almost like the Pale King is (or was, since he's a little bit dead) guarding his mind against potential intruders.
I was kinda wondering why nobody was acknowledging that as a (very clear and sensible) possibility
it's like the pale king himself serves as a "dreamer-like" figure for the voidheart ending/s
8:04
“I don’t work at ICE anymore”
Are we getting some mossbag lore?
_Every_ video is mossbag lore.
I just realized something.
Pale King's dream nail dialogue is, "no cost too great," and it's heavily implied that he wasn't too great a cost either. Also the wyrms raise the intellect and thought of the bugs around them. Maybe the pale king realized that he was his own folly. Bugs were smarter and able to dream more strongly. More importantly though, he could raise even the smallest amount of thought. He couldn't create a pure vessel to contain the infection because his presence was all it took to raise the vessel up from a mindless being. Even his successful hollow knight was eventually found to contain an imperfection. I think the pale king realized he was the one who gave the vessels thought. I think that's why the pale king hid himself and his castle away. He needed to remove himself to reduce the strong elevation of thought he caused in hollow nest to just a whisper. He couldn't reincarnate and leave the dream because maybe everything would just happen again (or maybe smol boi was just the final step in his life cycle). So the pale king stayed in the white castle in limbo and withered away because as long as he was in hollow nest he would be causing the ascension of bugs, including his vessels. He had to forfeit himself to eventually destroy the radiance, because there was no cost too great to preserve his kingdom.
holy fuck you did it
Oh...Good theorie.
Thats actually a really sound theory
It.... Makes sense
I can see it.
i like this video
yeh
I like it too
bababooey
same
hello eric
Thank you so much for this video. So glad content like this exists for my favourite game. It was in my "To watch later" for so long and I finally got to see it tonight and now am just watching all of the other videos you made about this wonderful game.
Thank you, thank you, thank you
Precept Fifty: 'Don't Linger on Mysteries'
Some things in this world appear to us as puzzles. Or enigmas. If the meaning behind something is not immediately evident though, don't waste any time thinking about it. Just move on.
"Well boys, we did it.
Mossbag is no more."
Hey English version of myself ✌️☺️
Thanks zote.
You are Zote, he is Zote, I am Zote! Are there any other Zotes I should know about?
@@gamemasterpzm meow
The problem with their foresight; they could see the future, but couldn't change what they saw. The dead giant mushroom thing in the fungal core said the pale king foresaw a fate unavoidable.
Doesn't stop them trying to change it tho.
hence oedipus rex
that pretty anime, was the pale king secretly a weeb?
But the pale king cant be able to forsaw anything which is related to void . If you have seen the tablet in the king workshop , the tablet describe that void can denie time :v
Kinda reminds me of Dune, the book not the series.
Edit: There's a giant prescient worm in that series too, I just recalled. Maybe it really was an inspiration.
@@SkitariusNoKD are you surprised? I mean look at women he was with. Both Herra and White Lady are absolutly thicc.
I always thought that the “idea instilled” that tainted the Hollow Knight was when he looked back at the top of the abyss and saw the player had climbed out and thought “maybe it doesn’t have to be me...”
This is a cool idea, but I think the idea of "personhood" or parental bond fits better. Thematically, it makes the reason the vessel failed, and the story happened, directly tied to their conception.
The key-thing about the Vessels is that they were dehumanised by everyone who knew about their existance, including their "parents", the Pale King and the White Lady. They are called "Ghost", "It", "Empty" and "Hollow", all as overt references to that they're not truly alive, and by the game's mechanics they have no "Soul". And that is not even a mistake, because that result was exactly what the Pale King wanted to archieve, and was willing to sacrifice thousands of his own biological children to do so. "No Cost Too Great".
So, if the irony is that all of the Vessels did in fact posess Void-based, "alien" minds, as the game implies, then the failure of the plan and the cause of the story lies on the Pale King himself. It's not even that he decided to raise the Hollow Knight like an actual child, his plan was doomed from the start.
Interestingly, if we do take the interpretation that the Knight falling, and the thought of self-preservation was the key cause, then we also have to already pre-suppose that the Hollow Knight had a mind, and that it was advanced enough to consider things like survival and empathy. But those things become less connected to the main-plot, because the inciting incident was the knight's fall to the Abyss, and not the creation of the Vessels in itself.
Nah he looked back at the player and thought “heh fuk you mate, you gonna rot down here”
@@rockCity777 The Pale King was blinded by his own hubris. He only accepted reality after he had already left the world, and died shortly thereafter.
THK was fucked from the beginning regardless of what PK/WL did to them.
@Ben Johnson What about the scene necessarily shows that? Why can it not be a simple pause in THK's training?
@Ben Johnson Also that doesn't mean they were pure before
I personally like to imagine the entire Hollow Knights world is located in some garden under a tarp that was forgotten.
The Radiant is literally the Sun and the Infection are small rays of sunlight piercing through the tarp every now and then.
The pale king killed himself because he was afraid of zote
bois we did it
we found the false one
Nah zote killed him
@@coydon4302 yo
@@joegaming2583 yo?
@@coydon4302 yoooo
"the pale king became something of a father figure to him"
*literally is his dad*
hmm
yes
the floor here is made out of floor
It's possible for a father to not be a father figure, and someone that isn't a father to be a father figure.
@@Ab0min4tor Citation: My father
Actually, the floor here is made out of the bodies of dead children. :>
potsy9 he was like father to me - Pewdiepie
"He may be your father... but he ain't your daddy."
Hallownest: *literally dying*
*sign breaks*
Menderbugs: LETS FUCKIN GOOOOOO!!!!
Purpose? ITS HERE
Menderbugs:
Bob tha builder a bitch
Sign: *Breaks again*
@@snowyflare199 P I Z Z A T I M E
@@citrusdotmp4 E
The fact that you called an incredibly powerful eldritch demon entity “bill” is actually very fitting because it’s like Bill Cipher
Nah, it’s just because Bill is a much more fitting name than the “Void Entity”, or the “Lord of Shades”. It’s much more humbling for the being that can rip apart and drink the essence of an ancient light god like a soda can.
"let's summarize higher and pale beings"
Talks about routers
how else could you possibly bet your point across
@@fishbutler6170 exactly
If it ain’t broken don’t fix it
Pale power!
@@DwAboutItManFr BUG POWER
The whole Hollow Knight story could be happening under your feet every day
Now I feel bad for pissing in a bush.
@@cosmiccoomjar4039 City of piss
No it's not, he sun never disappeared
I mean, that would explain why they fight with "nails" and "needles". Seriously, what's up with that, is HW one of those secret post-apocalyptic stories, where the critters first learned metallurgy by picking up tiny bits of metal like nails and needles and forging them into weapons, and now the initial words for those things have just become the word for those weapons or something???
Why did you have to say this
When you realize that the Knight might be older than elderbug.
JayJay Noelastnām they are, the hollow knight is similar in age to the knight, and the hollow knight was there when the stag stations were operational. Elderbug clearly states that the stag stations were closed since before he was born, so the knight is likely significantly older than elderbug chronologically. (Biologically however, the knight is a child’s corpse that was hollowed out and controlled by the void, so it is biologically younger than any living bug today)
@@LatteSoul3603 I may be wrong (I haven't really gone too deep in the lore) but wouldn't the knight be older than the hollow knight or the same age because once the hollow knight was chosen, there wouldn't be a reason to make more?
LABmaiL yes, they are practically the same age as far as I know
Muda Weeb then why does everybody refer to the hollow knight as older than the ghost, if there is a large chance the ghost is older?
LABmaiL that’s right, I forgot about that. It’s most likely that the hollow knight is older, but the hollow knight and our knight were from the same egg(s), like two twins where one is an hour older. It is also possible that the community refers to the hollow knight as being older due to it seemingly reaching physical maturity.
The dark souls reference and then immediately followed by the Firelink Shrine music. 👌 So good! And it fits the video and themes so well. I love this video. Thank you!
No joke, I love your combo of serious lore talk, and light hearted comedy interspersed within. I hope you find yet another game that gives you as much joy as hollow knight has, and that allows you to make more videos :)
39:48 I've always been confused and dissapointed that there wasn't a boss guarding Herra, but it just occured to me: Hornet was probably supposed to be the one guarding herra.
Oh shit maybe
She has a room,so i dont think so
Deepest protected her cause herrah is sleeping in hell
@@MasterIsabelle you're basically right at this point that place is like Australia but the infection wasn't predicted to escalate this far.
Wait Actually there is a spider or bug that protects her and if you kill Herrah it doesn't spawn back and just vanishes even if you didn't kill it once.
@@fireblaze8491 yea it must have felt it failed
And died of failure
Radiance's sad story at working with computers: *there's a ton of bugs and some worm prevents me from working*
also the first computer bug was literally a moth stuck in the machine so if your game lags it may be radiance manifesting herself inside of your device and trying to break out
or the thoughts that keep me up at night at 3am
Haven't hollow knight in like 3 years and this video is cracking me up! Thank you for being so damn awesome!
Imagine Myla's last seconds of own mind, listening: "You know the rules, and so do I"
No longer tragic.
Wait, what? Explain please.
Goatgang the crystals in the game are said to sing and mossbag made a joke by making the crystals play Never Gonna give you up.
Myla was a bug in the crystal peaks mining for crystals, she eventually fell to the infection
I have descended into the depths of the comments section specifically to find a joke about that Rick Astley thing. My gratitude
My speculation is that Elderbug's species just lives the shortest so he can still technicly be old while also being young.
How's this got 100 likes? Am I the first to say this or somthing?
*185 really?
Over 200...
... really 497...
@@mrfrog0913 congrats
Yeah. Cause Hornet seems somewhat young. Especially since she was born when the whole Hollow Knight thing was being prepared. So Elderbug’s species is just fucked
@@Forest_Pilot Thats why Elderbug is so depressed at the start of the game.
@@mrfrog0913 aw poor guy😭
I absolutely lost my mind with how deep the lord is when you started going into how the game design helped with the lord at 19:14
"We don't exactly know who was Herrah's personal protection" **looks around pointing in every general direction**
When I got to her I was like "where is the boss fight
@@Crusader4Eternity i definitely got the impression that hornet was the potential guardian. she even basically says as much if you beat her and get the king's brand before killing hera. shows up as you wake and says something akin to "it was incredibly difficult for me to just stand by and watch you do this"
@@LoreleiBlaine but herrah is hornets mother so obviously it’s hard to watch her murdered
@@Crusader4Eternity my headcanon is that it WAS Nosk, at some point anyway. But it was probably Hornet, yeah
@@EmeraldEleki7 nosk gonna be too easy if he was the one who protect hera. i mean yeah uumuu was somewhat easy to thanks to quirell, but watcher knight is a hard boss especially when they do the rolly polly thing at the same time one was on the ground and another one jumping at you. fog canyon is a early-mid game area so i think its okay to expect the boss to be easy, but deepnest is a late game area even one of your first encounter mob need 4-5 hit if you doesnt upgrade your nail so i think its okay to expect a damn hard bosses there
the real question is how that small maggot can move the entire armor that's 11 times larger than it
Maybe Ogrim was that small as well.
Edit: Hegemol, I meant Hegemol
@@kendrickstock4363 plot twist: ogrim was a maggot
oh yknow
It follows Earthworm Jim's suit's rules(TV show): If you can get in the suit at all, you can control it. Doesn't matter if your an earthworm or a whale.
Pure determination and willpower
Though Herra the Beast had no single “protector”, I feel like all of Deepnest is protecting her physical body.
Shiny Umbreon
Agreed
Shiny Umbreon still a bit of a lame excuse for a lack of a fight
@@interdimensionalgoober8769 In my head canon Hornet was supposed to be the protector. But since she was observing the knight and knew what it was doing, she let it be. That's why you find her at the very foot of her mother's grave after the deed is done: she was there all the time but chose not to attack.
@@loveless8241 I mean that makes sense.
same
This video was amazing, the great breakdown of the game with touches of humor sprimkled in made this so amazing seeing this was over an hour long made me think i would need to take multiple sittings to finish it but i got through it in what felt ljke 15 minutes i coudnt believe how fun this was to watch as i only have around 30 hours in this game and am not that into it yet thank you for making this it truly made my 12- 1:17 am
Best hollow knight video ever
Excuse my English, this video is excellent, I appreciate the effort and most importantly the dedication you put in it, and I also thank the guy who subtitled it in Spanish, I love you both
actually perfect English, better than those who actually speak it lmao
@@twisms7748 Just out of pure interest, can you say that someone "has subtilted" something because I would use an expression closer to "added subtitles to". But I had a blast reading to the original comment lmao. "Excuse my English" and then pursuits to use perfect English.
I've noticed that when someone says ''excuse my English'' or ''sorry l'm not a native speaker'' they tend to speak way more eloquently then actual English speakers haha.
@@okra7648 it's because we most of us not native English speaker use Google Translate or other apps to write what we say, and sometimes the translation fails and we don't know it failed, bc we don't know the language xD
Esteban Acosta Olivera dijo "elocuente" osea que escribes de mejor forma que alguien que habla la lengua nativa, dicen que hablas chido básicamente, o que hablas mejor que gente que creció hablando inglés.
My collector theory:
The collector and his crew were sent by the pale king to find a cure to the infection, and, like in our own world, the first thing you do when trying to find a cure to a disease is looking for creatures immune to the disease. Notice that none of the collectors bugs are infected. At some point, the collector stumbled upon the grubs, who were all somehow immune to the infection. Trying to explain and replicate this immunity, the collector grew mad. He thought up an experiment where he would scatter the grubs all over the kingdom and expose them to the infection in these different conditions. This explains the vitruvian grub, a gone-mad anatomical search for an explanation, the grubs scattered around the kingdom, an experiment and the tower of love, a laboratory. In his isolation, the collector likely doesn’t know that the king is dead, and i really wouldn’t wanna be the one to tell him.
Nice, makes sense to me
Well I sure as heck ain’t telling him
I like this idea, wow, very imaginative, I'm gonna consider this canon nonetheless
Very nice, calculated and *collected* argument... i would think that speading them across hollownest was not a part of a plan, the grubs are encased in glass flasks, i don't see how trapping them in flasks will let them emit thier immunity to others, if anything it would quarantine them away from diseases to be trapped inside the glass cages, the grubs are clearly hidden away from other bugs in remote areas, high and unreachable places, sometimes guarded or literally behind a wall, The Collector went mad trying to find their secrets so he hid the grubs and protected them, yet still kept a couple of them in his tower for love.
I really like this theory, but this also raises the question: what about the mimic grubs? I always assumed they were infected grubs, but maybe not.
Considering the name "tower of love" and the noises the collector makes before you fight him, I think he was doing some illegal shit to those grubs
That's why they are traumatized
Wait... WHY ARE THEY IN JARS?
@@DukeOfBepis AAAAAA NOOOOOOO
in the grub lore video mossbag mentions that if you listen there for a while the grub occasionally makes choking sounds
@@wyattmason8838
Collector: "Hello little grub~"
Grub: "Please let me go!"
Collector: ".....You know Candice?"
Grub: "who is Candice?"
Collector: *unzips*
Despite my shitty ADHD brain, you managed to keep me engaged for the full 1:17:08, so keep up the good work
58:12 "The Hollow Knight starts trying to kill himself, Quirrel style"
I hate you
My jaw straight up dropped when I heard that
@@LeJonanders did he?
Kind of. Funnily enough, mossbag did a video about it.
@@LeJonanders if you go to the blue lake in resting grounds after finding monomon and killing her. Quirrel will say something I don't remember and then if you exit and go to a bench(I think), when you return to the blue lake all you will see is quirrels nail in the ground.
Also doesn't he drown himself? I thought he had a peaceful death.
No, I don’t think he drowns himself. He just abandons his nail knowing that that means death.
Vaati voicing mender bug may be the most ambitious crossover in the souls history
I thought it sounded like rusty
One of them was rusty
Vaati crossover? Why, that would be the berry on top!
Hollow Knight lore in a nutshell:
Moth cult happily minds their own business until fork man comes and ruins everything.
Edit' turns out Fork Man is actually dragon man. Wyrms are apparently limbless dragons so yeah, a dragon and a tree had a kid.
Fork man fucks a spider to help lock up his test tube baby that he keeps in a giant egg but the result of this was a Hornet
@@TomTheBomb5145 *cries in Shaw*
@@TomTheBomb5145 the white lady looks like a tree. Fork bug fucks tree to lock up test tube baby with anger issues in a beeg egg but makes best big sister
fork bug doesn’t pay child support and dies
fork man doesn’t pay child support and dies
18:13 It was a long time after my first time watching this years ago that I found out that Menderbug was actually a real thing, and not some gag that mossbag had just made up.
I love the implications at 39:04 that Carl Wheezer is a child of higher beings and was hollowed out by the eternal darkness of the abyss
How dare you disgrace the god know only known as Carl wheezer to us mortals
HERETIC!
My best guess for the “pure vessel” status of the player knight is that the old Hollow Knight likely had its own will whereas I like to think that the player knight is being fully puppetted by the player. The lore tablets in the very beginning that contain some meta gameplay mechanic tutorials address not the knight but “higher beings” claiming only the player would see the messages. I feel like while many common bugs would see the knight acting if it’s own will and mind, I think that the White Lady may see the essence of the player and know that the knight is in fact pure and hollow
The pure vessel is in fact our Knight. The reason why the Hollow Knight failed was because it had developed a will and mind via the idea of it's task and it's personal attachment to the Pale King. This was enough for the Radiance to enter it's dreams and influence it.
Many of the vessels had this impurity such as the broken vessel for reasons unknown.
The reason why the Ghost aka our the player is sucessful is cause we left the Hallownest via the Howling Cliffs which takes away your memories and mind.
This explains why the Knight didnt notice the bank was just a cardboard. He could see in 3d, but not the "Higher Beings"
Would this make the player the void?
I also think this, ok hear this out, befor the knight adventured into the wild out of hallownest he had a mind and a will, like the other vessels, but he list his mind and will in the wild, until a higher being that probably had no physical body in that real (aka the players) took control over the hollow vessel that couldnt think or act and controled it for it to go to hallownest and defeat the radience, being the true hollow knigth or beating the radience and its variations
@DropkicktheDecepticon cool thanks
My smol brain for lore says that the collector was a failed kingsmold where instead of giving it the clear instructions of "protect people" they just said "protect" or they messed him up or something so he went around keeping bugs in jars because in it's 'mind' that would be protecting them. Also the grubs were kind of in a big danger so he was like "I'll keep them extra safe" or something.
Or maybe after collecting so many started to get lazy about where to put them
I was just about to say that lol, i think he is a failed kingsmold
Hmm. So what you’re saying is the Collector was created due to poor coding. If only the Pale King had taken some void coding lessons. Well, you can learn all about coding and more WITH SKILLSHAR-
okay, but that smol brain theory has a problem, the fact that the dude yeets them at you
@@revthescatman137 I don't think he yeets them at you, I think he's just a dumbass and knocks them over, because they always fall DOWNWARD, not at you.
this video finally made me get the game and I’ve been playing nonstop for days. thanks mossbag
Where are you now? I platinumed it in a few months and it's my all time highest single player game.
Here's the skinny on the Void Monster from the Godmaster ending: When the Godseekers attune with the Gods of Hallownest, those Gods become more powerful. They reach their peak potential. This is why so many bosses in Godhome are tougher than their vanilla versions. This is why the Radiance becomes the Absolute Radiance - through their Focus, the Godseekers have ascended. Their attunement to her causes the Radiance to ascend with them.
Throughout the Godmaster DLC, the Godseekers slowly begin shifting their focus *to you.* The player. The Godseeker herself catches herself doing this and gets angry about it.
The Lord of Shades, or whatever it is, is the equivalent of "Absolute Void." Before attempting the Pantheon of Hallownest, you are told: climb to the peak of the Pantheon and ascend. In fact, unlike Pantheons 1-4, the final Pantheon doesn't begin with you selecting the option "enter." It begins with you selecting the option "ascend."
Through your conquest, the Godseekers Focus on you. Through their attunement, you ascend ever higher. Since you contain the Void within you, and the Void is unified under your will, their Focus causes the Void to ascend.
*That's* what I think happens in the Godmaster endings, and what the Void monster is. Would love to hear your thoughts on this, mossbag!
That's a pretty good theory. It is pretty obvious that the attention of the Godseekers does shift from the Radiance to the knight. It's crazy to think that through hours of grinding out boss battles in Godhome you eventually become so powerful as to overshadow even the Absolute Radiance.
so in the end we still dont know what that exactly means for the knight to ascend since its unified under its will we just assume it turns into some void monster guy or accidentally kills itself with the flower
@@Vulpori Basically. Though I suspect it is not killed by the flower, but contained. Trapped in the Dream world/Godhome, perhaps teleported somewhere else.
I mostly agree, but I think it was less the Godseeker's attention that caused the Knight's ascension, but the Knight itself. The Godseekers are trying to ascend themselves, not the gods, after all. They state that they attune with the gods through ritual combat to ascend ever higher. Basically, my take is that the Knight simply does what they've been trying to do, only it does so successfully, truly ascending and becoming a Higher Being itself.
I still thinks Bill is the pale king. He vagely resemblee him, has some connection with the knight, is know for reicarnate, and the circustances of his "death" is surrounded by void and his famous last words "no cost too great" symbolizing he is willing to give away his own godhood to kill off the radiance. Also he can see the fulture, but i think its more the doctor Manhattan type of seeying the fulture, he can only see his own fulture trough infinite possibles outcomes. It could be this was his last choice, to reicarnate as a void being and be atunned trough the godmasters into Bill to kill the radiance
90% of the video is basically “we don’t exactly know what happened, or why, but we know it did.”
So like real history before the last couple centuries then xD
That's why it's lore and not history.
@@loveless8241 it is very funny to me that within 5 min we replied to this comment with exact opposite sentiments xD
“Is it poop?”
Watch it again) Lore is pretty clear )
You can’t just drop “Quirrel style” and expect me to be okay and keep going on with the video
oh god i just heard it too....
Lets do this Quirrel style
"Quirrel style" he says when he just said 30 seconds ago that he wasn't going to talk about something as though it were fact when the only evidence is circumstantial.
@@doommustard8818 Yeah, good thing he didn't.
Actually I don't think Quirrel stabbed himself either, but that boi definitely dead.
Amazing video! Vaati’s cameo made me happy too
I think the reason the vessel who made it to the top was considered “hollow” is because they would make it all the way up while seeing their siblings falling down to their death as they climb, showing that they don’t have the emotion to feel the need to save the others and would rather just keep climbing
That's very interesting because the Hollow Knight apparently looked back and saw the Knight clinging to the edge. It might mean he did care, and therefore wasn't hollow at all.
@@jorgeg.s.2838 it’s always the tiny details that decide the final outcome.
@Hooty HOOT HOOT Funnily enough, half of the lore is character-driven storytelling... But the other half seems to be "coincidence-driven" storytelling.
@Hooty HOOT HOOT at least the existence of many different endings allow players to feel that when crazy shit happen it's because they bothered to cause it. I love how this game makes you feel you have a lot of choices.
or they can float up like a hollow balloon
The video: "The Mostly complete lore of Hollow Knight"
Mossbag: "Warning: contains Mild Spoilers"
Me: *Man I dunno about that*
11 Penguins in a Van Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm XD
Dominos is atm 50% off...
Oh yeah, its all coming togheter.
Finished before the order arrived.
Im sorry Mossbag...
Where do you live where pizza takes an hour to arrive? That's the FOURTH world right there.
@@PlatinumAltaria I....i lost track of the time and by the time i said: well im hungry, I was already around 50 minutes into the video
canaldecasta i just got the ad after you said that wh-
Im pretty sure Hornet was supposed to guard the dreamer the way uumuu and watcher knights were. She just decided to let us get it which is why her dreamnail dialogue when sitting next to Herrah is her asking for forgiveness that she didnt stop us
My heart is so empty now that I've seen all the secrets and learned all available lore. Silksong is what I crave. I can't find any other games that compare to the feeling of this game.
Listening to mossbag always makes me feel better tho.
Do P5AB then
Last night I got the 3 base endings and thought I was done then I find out there are 2 more and even harder endings feels kinda bad but now I got more hollow knight stuff to do
play rainworld
try dark souls games and lore PepeLaugh
Don’t you mean you’re heart is void?