I misspoke about millions of casualties, that is incorrect. Sorry for the delay, new computer is fully operational. If you have any questions or want the music choices, leave a comment and I will answer as soon as I can.
What if the attempted night raid before the Battle of Culloden was successful? Could they have made it to London? Could the Stuarts have returned and what if they did?
In the United States it was a bit of an inconvenience trying to differentiate states as you made river borders almost the same color as the nation itself so it looks like Texas is Giant and I couldn’t tell until almost the end of the video. I still loved the Video
@@MatthewTheWanderermultilingual , a very decentralised central government states forming local trade leagues, autonomies inside autonomies local armies-militias, yep sounds like an north American version of the hre
If everything went right for America, it would be the strongest and most influential country in the world, with millions of people from Europe, Asia and South America trying to immigrate there every day. Oh wait...
@@edthebumblingfool Far more Western Europeans go to the US than Americans to Western Europe (take the UK, France, Germany for examples). You can look this up yourself. Eurocope comes from envy and resentment of American power. But the reality is that for the average person, and certainly if you're talented or ambitious, standards of living are considerably higher in the US than Western Europe.
@@dfdf-rj8jreurocope? People in the eu dont think about moving to the us unless it’s related to a job. Total number of European immigrants today is smaller than 20 years ago. Remember trump being a cry baby that people from Norway aren’t coming here and instead it was brown people? Whatever don’t think about it. Just attach cope to the end of words and go on with your life
Even with a heavy American inclination towards acquiring more territories, Haiti was still controlled by France, which was said to be alternate America's closest European ally. The only way they could acquire it from France without trying to annex it militarily (bad idea to declare war on your friends) would be to purchase it. I don't see that being very likely, however, as Haiti was very highly profitable for France. Haiti could have still won their independence and maybe asked to join the USA, though I can't be entirely certain they would want to. It's possible, but not certain.
@@VajaOzge well England as a country has been around since 927 AD and only because Great Britain in 1707 when Scotland Joined them or was forced to do so.
I don’t think their is a timeline where this isn’t true, all Anglo colonial countries have sprawl from my country New Zealand to Canada, it’s idealogical it’s the idea of right to privacy freedom and well land, rich people have lots of land poor people tend to not, that fact doesn’t go away especially with so much more land
Millions of Americans were not lost in Korea and Vietnam. Looking at around 37K US deaths during Korean War with 103K wounded in action. Vietnam was 58K dead with 153K wounded in action.
When highlighting the dead and wounded between those 2 conflicts, its amazing to think that the Russian war in Ukraine has been deadlier than both combined in the last 2 and a half years.
Sure no Hawii, but the US has a large ass better developed Caribbean and South American stable neighbor as the tourist hot spot. Bigger question is what a US that is only interested in Asia as trade partners means for Japan. While France and British would still eventually seek to open ports beyond the foreign zone in Nagasaki it does raise the question of if the Meiji Restoration never happens from the Shogun having time to modernize Japan, without such lop sided trade deals, after seeing what happened with China.
@@NoVisionGuy it appears my comment was deleted idk why. But you’re wrong, so ignoring Hawaii for a moment. Alaska was sold to the USA because of 3 reasons, 1. Alaska at the time was unprofitable. 2. It was sold because they believed the British would take it. 3. They believed that the Americans would move into the territory overwhelmingly the Russians settlers and doing the same thing they did to Texas. That’s why in our real life they sold it to us for money the same way the French did to Louisiana. This would still take place in this timeline regardless if the British were present, Hawaii would not be a part of the equation. Now as for Hawaii, it is not just some vacation spot it is strategically important to national defense and security Hawaii is corridor to the mainland USA controlling Hawaii is vital for us defense and security as well as being vital for controlling the pacific it the USA did not control it then the USA would be under threat. Now here are the consequences of this timeline. 1. Us control of the pacific and its territory’s have been shattered. 2. Japanese control of the pacific is guaranteed because the Japanese would simply annex the island in the Russo Japanese War. 3. When WW2 would break out and it would Japanese victory is now much more likely as they would now be able to immediately and directly threaten the us west coast and the new pear harbor would be San Pedro and all US pacific territories are cut off from American and if Russia does keep it and retain it then now you have nuclear weapons on the doorstep of America. Bad move In addition this was never discussed in any form of agreement in us history nor would it so it’s basically just a OC treaty that has no basis in reality.
Yeah the Spanish American war would've still resulted in the US gaining the Philippines, only this time Americans would be less hesitant to assimilate them. We'd definitely make a stop over in Hawaii on our way to annex the Philippines.
I suspect the US would still be racist as hell and still lean towards monolingualism, just that American English in say Wisconsin or Ohio will be highly Germanized in effect.
We would still take Panama and Costa Rica because we would presume that the Darien Gap was our true Southern Border as it was far too expensive to develop anything in that area that could allow us to expand naturally beyond it. We would probably be closer to Brazil than Colombia and Brazil would probably absorb all of South America to guarantee a mutual lesser partner that was friendly and allow easy access to their resources in our markets. We might also had taken Haiti and when Jamaica and the Bahamas became independent of the UK, they would probably seek annexation into the Union as it would better secure their societies with the increase in economic development.
Panama never existed until Roosevelt (Teddy) fomented a rebellion there in what was then a province of Colombia, split it off from them and then essentially stole it daring the Colombians to do something about it. Americans may have been latecomers to colonialism but apparently they were quick studies.
If everything went right for America, then that would mean the Foubdibg Fathers would've been able to abolish slavery earlier than in our timeline. The reason they didn't abolish it when they could was because they feared southern rebellion that could impact the war
I don't see how they could do it earlier, unless slavery became disrupted enough in some way, this is assuming that land expansion went right for America, not necessarily slavery or other social issues
@@danielzhang1916 Point of divergence: Malaria evolves a strain that lingers longer, and is more communicable. Africans are now seen as too dangerous to transport to North America.
Im glad Im not the only one with this vision. 🤩 The true America... of both North and South continents and the Artic and Antarctic seas. Complete control over an entire hemisphere and half of two others. Also... what if Australia/New Zealand and South Africa/Madagascar joined too? Unrestricted access to every ocean and global trade routes - land, air, and sea.
@@the_SolLoser that would be crazy, imagine the logistics of such a huge continent(s), communication and travel would be super difficult, there's a reason "empires" fall because of difficulty controlling the territory
@@danielzhang1916 far easier today than ever before actually. Instantaneous communications across the globe solves most of the problems that empires of the past had. Travel anywhere within half a day solves some more. This isn't the 1800s - territory like that would be easy to keep by comparison.
I was hesitant, but if you look at it from a perspective of an American, everything that had happened to this land was super dumb and out of our own ignorance. It’s funny because Biblically speaking Israel did the same but to a more extreme degree. The United States is blessed regardless of what timeline
it is to all of north america for sure, it would not be a economical division as strong as it is today, having canada an mexico constantly fight for 1st trade partner and the security issues would not have been as strong or even significant like today is since its not a surprice for anyone but corruption leads to american weapons to end up in the cartel's hands since no one would believe they somehow sneak into military bases and leave no trace that they where there i wonder if the drug problem would exist at all in that universe since china didnt really had a reason to export drugs to mexico and the us that where the spark that started all of those problems
@Labu2312 actually the cartels would never be able to survive (if they form at all), at least, not the way we know them today. Such a violent and powerful organization would have been considered a total threat to national security and dealt with using every resource, and in this timeline the cartel could not simply run across the border.
I don't think the USA could control Mexico without serious concessions to legitimize the Spanish Language. Northern Mexico was very underpopulated as it was mostly dry highlands and desert, not suitable for large cities or large scale agriculture. If America wanted to "control" Mexico, meaning the populated central band of Mexican territory, it would have to become a bi-lingual nation like Canada is today. There's no way it stays peaceful if the USA tries to enforce English on such a large population in the mid 1800s.
You got a point. And also, I think that the "Racial Stuff" should have changed in order to Pacify Mexico. I can see Poles, Irish, and Italians going to Mexico and somehow intermarriage the locals (Specially the Irish and Italians) and by that "integrate" Mexico into the Union. But still, I don't see English dominating Mexico. But people would still speak it as second or third language. (Just like in Scandinavia or the Netherlands, where most people can speak English) Mexico would be more like another Quebec but people would still use English as an unifying language and would still be somehow oficial. But English will not be part of the dairy life everywhere in MX, Central America and the Caribbean. But in the way Mexico works, I can see the upper classes trying to "Americanize themselves". But Mexico will get the American government system which is fine Now, baseball and not soccer would be the most popular sport. And we will dominate it.
@@Yha1000itzThe racial stuff wouldn't be hard at all what would happen. Is that the Spanish descended white Hispanics. Would be recognized ad white and used to oppress the mixed and native populations. Until the analog of the civil rights movement happens.
The US uses previous names for many things including names from Spanish (Los Angeles and San Fransisco) and Native American languages (Massachusetts and Seattle).
Can you spin a wheel with all the modern countries names on them and select one to do the same with, starting at the beginning of the colonial era? I would love to see more, especially out of africa and oceania as no one really talks about that history or alternative history
The US would have never given up interest in Hawaii-- especially if it maintains its neutrality and focuses on industry and global trade. Its the most convenient halfway point in the Pacific between the Americas and Asia, and with Asia being the most populated continent on the planet, it would have likely insisted on annexing Hawaii to facilitate trade with the East.
There would have been no legitimate reason to even entertain allowing Russia to get hands on Hawaii. Russia wasn't already there like we were. If any foreign nation had any claim on Hawaii, it would have been Great Britain. But even at the time this creator claims this would have happened (1867?), the USA already had significant presence in Hawaii. Hawaii had great importance to the USA because America had already forced Japan to open up trade to the west in the 1850s (if that had still happened in this alternate timeline), and China had been opened up to trade with Great Britain and Germany (and other European nations) at about the same time, with America joining in soon thereafter. Hawaii would have been a necessary American stopover in shipping in the Pacific, assuming that America was still interested in global trade. Regarding Canadian ex-pats moving to Australia after the War of 1812, that was also an improbability, as that continent was nothing more than a newly organized penal colony to Great Britain at that time, with basically no infrastructure nor civilization to support such a migration. I doubt that such a large number of Canadian ex-pats would have been enticed to make that trip in 1815. A more realistic notion would be that most Canadians would simply remain and be assimilated into American culture and politics.
@@phoebecole6798 My main point other than all of the same things I mentioned was that we were already there, and Russia wasn't. Saying Russia having any interest in the Islands was sort of an out of the blue thing for this creator to bring up. Other than the US, England had much more of a historical claim in Hawaii than Russia did.
Would Haiti still be occupied at some point in this timeline? I could see it being incorporated, probably better than what has ended up happening there in real life.
Hati would be conquered there is 0 chance that the US takes one half of Hispaniola and not the other. Panama is also near certainly at least made into an American vassal state in all but name. To ensure that no other power is ever able to build a canal.
I thing he chose to do this path bc of how the Haitians are people wise. We killed our owners for independence and my mother (first gen btw) said that the Haitians were very stern about never letting their land get sold or taken. It would’ve been a hinderance for the us and would taint the “perfect timeline” as uss Haitians hate being under rule
INTERESTINGLY a book I've been working on for a few years now has the same principal idea just done differently. Also THANKS for mentioning my area of Buffalo! ONE MORE thing, IF we had Canada that would mean USA would win Gold in hockey! ANOTHER reason to own Canada.
@@Videntis.History Its...coming back though. Just takes a while. There's a mixture of old and new architecture, which makes the city AND areas great. The food has NEVER been bad, plus we rank in the top 1% for wings.
small complaint because i AM that guy, at 1:27 you say we intervene in Korea and Vietnam losing millions of Americans, in Vietnam we suffered 58,220 casualties and in Korea we suffered 36,574 casualties, even if we add the number of wounded (korea:103,284 & Vietnam: more than 300,000) it comes up to less than one million (498,078 in total). i only did a few quick google searches so my numbers are probably off by a bit but there's still a large gape between those numbers. sorry to be the correct the teacher guy but either you misspoke or you have other sources and i wanna know if I'm wrong. also ignore the bad grammar I'm shit at writing and its 4 am
0:21 It's actually the opposite: Although yes there were some who desired all of Mexico, the feelings in Congress and President Polk was that the Mexican Concession was far larger than even their greatest wishes.
Even with a title "What If Everything Went Right for America?" I consider that a bit too optimistic. Even with an American victory in the War of 1812, I don't see the United States annexing ALL of Canada as Southern interests wouldn't have wanted that much free territory, Canadians were clearly Loyalists to the British crown, the Québeqois would have never accepted Union rule, nor would the British just completely abandon their loyal subjects. Same with the United States and Mexico following a victory in the Mexican-American War. Sure the United States would have taken more land, but Northern interests would have opposed so much slave supporting lands nor would many Americans want so many Spanish speaking Catholics in the United States.
Your concerns are valid, however I think the Quebecois would see the U.S. differently since they were sick of being under British rule. Loyalists would also likely flee to Britain and the U.S. would grant them passage as to not further piss off Britain. As for Mexico, whilst many would not be pleased with Spanish speaking Catholics, I think the economic benefits would overrule that as we saw in Texas during the 1820s-1840s.
@@TheRealVenom448 Why deal with the hassle of Loyalists and French speaking Catholics when there was vast amounts of sparsely populated lands west of the two Canadas that the Democratic-Republicans would have loved to absorb over places like York. I think the United States establishes the St. Lawrence River as the border between the United States and eastern Canada with the United States annexing all land south of the river. The United States also gets all of the Oregon Country, even more than Polk's 54°40". Along with all of the Red River and Milk River Basins.
honestly your videos have gotten extremely good , i thinki this is a point where no improvement can happen since preety much youre doing everything awsome !
Why would the 17th Amendment not be adopted? Historically, direct election of Senators was so popular it almost caused a Second Constitutional Convention to be called. Congress reluctantly sent the 17th Amendment to the States for ratification precisely to prevent a convention.
Everyone jokes but nobody points out how much better the world is in this scenario. No Hitler, no fascism, no communism, no Mao, no North Korea, no Taiwan, Hong Kong, etc. No Xingping, no Putin, no Nikita, no KKK. The list goes on and on
You should do a sinarrio on what if gran Columbia united all of the Spanish speaking countries after they all gained independence it is a really interesting sinarrio that not a lot of people have covered that I think you’ll like
Mexico would never be fully annexed by America the reason we didn't was that the Mexican people were mostly Catholics and were seen differently than Americans the only people who did call for all of Mexico were a small radical minority and Texas would still need to be smaller they lost colorado and Oklahoma panhandle because of the mason Dixon line and sold new Mexico to the us government to pay off their debt
it would be highly unlikely and farfetched, assuming a lot of factors come together, I could see a possible future with Canada and maybe half of Mexico, but going further out would be impossible even with everything right
I don't think he realizes mexicans consistent 1/3 of the population and with living standards going up and war going down, enforcing language and culture would be impossible thats not including the wave of catholics immigrating. Both Zack Taylor and Winfield Scott recognized that full occupation would be impossible. Even if full annexation happened, it would be done so conditionally and statehood would mean more free states with growing Catholic populations with CDMX vieing as a second capital long-term, especially if pan americanism/latinism takes place. On the bright side, this means American calling themselves Americans would make more sense since the northern half would be unified
I think the biggest points I take issue with are: 1) The notion that a lack of governmental oversight of the stock market or banking would prevent The Great Depression. When in reality, The Great Depression was high tarriffs (which would likely be even higher without income tax), under-regulated financial speculation in the market leading to a bubble that bust on Black Monday, and ironically (though people hate to say it) The Gold Standard, because there simply was not enough physical gold in the world to back up the USD. If anything I think the depression would have been even worse, with a federal government completely impotent to take any sort of action. 2)I find the notion of a decentralized U.S. not having national corporations dubious. All it would require is the biggest corporation in region A and the biggest corporation in region B to pool their resources and “lobby” to have their states change their laws to suit their interests, and then merge. And it would get easier as the corporation gets bigger. This already happens in our timeline, and if anything the biggest roadblock for corporations is strict regulation by a federal government like in the U.S. or a body like the EU (a good example is the EU basically forcing Apple to have hotswappable batteries and use USB-C in the next few years, if they want to sell iPhones in Europe)
One thing I found very interesting was the way the Native American tribes were assimilated rather than displaced. I do believe this was possible in reality and the precedent would have set interesting legal and cultural foundations for the later emancipation of slaves.
Can you do a video that shows what would change in ww2 if great depression never occurred.Probably the war would last longer due to the betterment of the economy of the countries that were involved in ww2 but I'm pretty sure that you could explain and analyse the theory better.
North Carolina only seceded because Virginia did. NC had more economic ties to the north than with their southern neighbors. They only seceded once they were surrounded. If VA was still in the Union, then NC would have no reason to secede.
love this video, I think it would really help to have the approx. year on screen throughout. esp with he southern state introduction it might clear things up!
Thank you for mentioning bleeding Kansas. I was raised in Kansas so we were taught it but I realized that a lot of other people raised in other states never heard of it. It was one of the biggest key events that started the civil war.
As a Native of Hawai'i the idea of becoming Russian sound worse than being American it would be weird to think about that timeline but I myself would prefer a free nation instead of subjugation
Love this video. I've always wondered how America would be like if everything went well. Although I don’t think all this things are seriously realistic, it’s still a cool thought. I also noticed how atrocious some of the state borders were, which is very realistic. Maybe a cool video idea would be if America fixed all its state borders to be natural instead. That with this video idea would be something I would love to see! Your videos are great, keep on going!
In the timeline you present, I cannot see the US having a significant navy at the time of the Great War, so the British certainly would have blockaded the Central Powers as they did in our timeline.
I misspoke about millions of casualties, that is incorrect. Sorry for the delay, new computer is fully operational. If you have any questions or want the music choices, leave a comment and I will answer as soon as I can.
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when will be released the video of the scramble of africa?
What if the attempted night raid before the Battle of Culloden was successful? Could they have made it to London? Could the Stuarts have returned and what if they did?
In the United States it was a bit of an inconvenience trying to differentiate states as you made river borders almost the same color as the nation itself so it looks like Texas is Giant and I couldn’t tell until almost the end of the video. I still loved the Video
in this timeline Americans are shocked at Europeans not being able to name the 100 states of America or speak more than 1 language
Nah I think most Americans would speak atleast two languages.
@@đœwæþthats what hes saying
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@@đœwæþ bro are you dumb lol
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Bro said let's make the holy Roman empire in north America
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Yes
How so?
@@MatthewTheWanderermultilingual , a very decentralised central government states forming local trade leagues, autonomies inside autonomies local armies-militias, yep sounds like an north American version of the hre
@@nikostsiantas4060 But, none of these autonomies are monarchies, so it's not like the HRE at all.
If everything went right for America, it would be the strongest and most influential country in the world, with millions of people from Europe, Asia and South America trying to immigrate there every day.
Oh wait...
Yeaa..
everything did go right, America is the perfect size not too big to handle, enough to communicate and travel
how many western european go compared to americans who leave for Europe?
@@edthebumblingfool Far more Western Europeans go to the US than Americans to Western Europe (take the UK, France, Germany for examples). You can look this up yourself.
Eurocope comes from envy and resentment of American power. But the reality is that for the average person, and certainly if you're talented or ambitious, standards of living are considerably higher in the US than Western Europe.
@@dfdf-rj8jreurocope? People in the eu dont think about moving to the us unless it’s related to a job. Total number of European immigrants today is smaller than 20 years ago. Remember trump being a cry baby that people from Norway aren’t coming here and instead it was brown people?
Whatever don’t think about it. Just attach cope to the end of words and go on with your life
If the US takes over the Dominican Republic there's no chance that Hati remains independent. You would have something like East Hispaniola as a state
Yeah a US that has Manifested its destiny all over North and Central America isn't letting the island stay divided.
@@anvos658 That's if the Haiti pop is not ultra violet letting hostile gangs run that side of the island.
Even with a heavy American inclination towards acquiring more territories, Haiti was still controlled by France, which was said to be alternate America's closest European ally. The only way they could acquire it from France without trying to annex it militarily (bad idea to declare war on your friends) would be to purchase it. I don't see that being very likely, however, as Haiti was very highly profitable for France. Haiti could have still won their independence and maybe asked to join the USA, though I can't be entirely certain they would want to. It's possible, but not certain.
@@anvos658 Yeah, this video made some very odd choices. There's also no reason for Russia to get Hawaii as a result of selling Alaska.
Dont need bunch of devils in a nation of god
Better title: what if everything went even more perfectly for America
Truly the best timeline. In all seriousness America has had a real good history overall, sure she’s not perfect but she’s still endures.
@@greenknightofwar7024yeah but we are a really young nation in the grand scheme of things.
@@gmg9010i dont think so america is probably oldest nation state but as a civilization she is pretty young
America has a very old government compared to most other country's
@@VajaOzge well England as a country has been around since 927 AD and only because Great Britain in 1707 when Scotland Joined them or was forced to do so.
Well this was… unexpected
“A surprise to be sure but a welcome one” - -Chancellor- Emperor Palpatine
He was actually a senator during Episode 1 🙃
I love how at the end it briefly mentions that American cities are actually good rather than having dumb sprawl
You mean were. Not are.
@@AndyViant In the alt-hist they ARE. Pay attention.
I don’t think their is a timeline where this isn’t true, all Anglo colonial countries have sprawl from my country New Zealand to Canada, it’s idealogical it’s the idea of right to privacy freedom and well land, rich people have lots of land poor people tend to not, that fact doesn’t go away especially with so much more land
@@chickentoucher55 yeah but it can at least be improved with things like better zoning laws and such
No Fed and no Income Tax? Later guys, I’m jumping timelines.
Edit: NO BRUTALIST ARCHITECTURE?! This is… perfection… 🥺
Wait up, I'm coming with ya!
Scoot over. Im hopping in too.
im comin!
Goddamnit, I’m not even American and I still want to switch!
@@AlexanderTheBloodraven Inside of you is an American trying to get out!
Canada? I think you mean rightful American core territory
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The state borders are so confusing.
i know @jackdaly8908
Yes sometimes they become so weird now it's like straight lines but the one with the War of 1812 was all just chaos
I think it may have been AI.
The rivers are colored navy blue for some reason, making it look like the state borders weren’t drawn in
@@JackyThaParrot yeah, that confused me a lot.
Millions of Americans were not lost in Korea and Vietnam.
Looking at around 37K US deaths during Korean War with 103K wounded in action.
Vietnam was 58K dead with 153K wounded in action.
Americans didn't even have millions of deaths during World War II!
Korea was a draw, and Vietnam was a clear loss.
That’s a fair assessment of those two wars.
When highlighting the dead and wounded between those 2 conflicts, its amazing to think that the Russian war in Ukraine has been deadlier than both combined in the last 2 and a half years.
@@hop208 right?! Something about Eastern European conflicts really ratchets up the casualty count.
That whole Hawaii thing didn’t go perfect for American
Sure no Hawii, but the US has a large ass better developed Caribbean and South American stable neighbor as the tourist hot spot. Bigger question is what a US that is only interested in Asia as trade partners means for Japan. While France and British would still eventually seek to open ports beyond the foreign zone in Nagasaki it does raise the question of if the Meiji Restoration never happens from the Shogun having time to modernize Japan, without such lop sided trade deals, after seeing what happened with China.
Yeah, that was the most unrealistic thing in this whole video. No way the United States would let Hawaii go.
@@bigjoem9808 They basically traded Hawaii for Alaska, it's better than getting to war and cost more $$$
@@NoVisionGuy it appears my comment was deleted idk why.
But you’re wrong, so ignoring Hawaii for a moment.
Alaska was sold to the USA because of 3 reasons, 1. Alaska at the time was unprofitable. 2. It was sold because they believed the British would take it. 3. They believed that the Americans would move into the territory overwhelmingly the Russians settlers and doing the same thing they did to Texas.
That’s why in our real life they sold it to us for money the same way the French did to Louisiana. This would still take place in this timeline regardless if the British were present, Hawaii would not be a part of the equation.
Now as for Hawaii, it is not just some vacation spot it is strategically important to national defense and security Hawaii is corridor to the mainland USA controlling Hawaii is vital for us defense and security as well as being vital for controlling the pacific it the USA did not control it then the USA would be under threat.
Now here are the consequences of this timeline.
1. Us control of the pacific and its territory’s have been shattered.
2. Japanese control of the pacific is guaranteed because the Japanese would simply annex the island in the Russo Japanese War.
3. When WW2 would break out and it would Japanese victory is now much more likely as they would now be able to immediately and directly threaten the us west coast and the new pear harbor would be San Pedro and all US pacific territories are cut off from American and if Russia does keep it and retain it then now you have nuclear weapons on the doorstep of America.
Bad move
In addition this was never discussed in any form of agreement in us history nor would it so it’s basically just a OC treaty that has no basis in reality.
Yeah the Spanish American war would've still resulted in the US gaining the Philippines, only this time Americans would be less hesitant to assimilate them. We'd definitely make a stop over in Hawaii on our way to annex the Philippines.
Next to no racism? Multilingual? NO INCOME TAX?
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Can I go live in this version of America please?
I suspect the US would still be racist as hell and still lean towards monolingualism, just that American English in say Wisconsin or Ohio will be highly Germanized in effect.
By conquering central, South America, and canada
@@Warsiethe us right now isn’t even racist?
Sounds to utopian to be realistic.
America was probably one of the least racist countries
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No Victory Without Sacrifice be like🗿🗿
We would still take Panama and Costa Rica because we would presume that the Darien Gap was our true Southern Border as it was far too expensive to develop anything in that area that could allow us to expand naturally beyond it. We would probably be closer to Brazil than Colombia and Brazil would probably absorb all of South America to guarantee a mutual lesser partner that was friendly and allow easy access to their resources in our markets. We might also had taken Haiti and when Jamaica and the Bahamas became independent of the UK, they would probably seek annexation into the Union as it would better secure their societies with the increase in economic development.
Panama never existed until Roosevelt (Teddy) fomented a rebellion there in what was then a province of Colombia, split it off from them and then essentially stole it daring the Colombians to do something about it. Americans may have been latecomers to colonialism but apparently they were quick studies.
Just wanna take a moment to say I really like your maps. They're easy on the eyes and a good blend between simplicity and detail. Good job.
The map not having clear state borders bothered me the entire video
i messed that up, the blue was too dark
@@Videntis.HistoryI thought you forgot to draw the borders or something lol😭
@@Jordanlukemarks Yeah, that's what I thought, too, or even that it was intentional. Looked really bad, either way.
2:38 well I mean, technically they’re already was 14 colonies Vermont just never joined the US right away
It was disputed territory between New York and New Hampshire
@@FrankSinatraTheSecondActually Vermont was an independent nation from 1777-1791
Depends on who you ask
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Yes but it was also disputed territory between New York and New Hampshire. These are not mutually exclusive truths
Vermont is mid anyway
Canada? Mexico? What’s that? *It’s All America.*
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most likely to use the universal metric system on that timeline since that america tried to be as economically friendly to the world as posible
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@@Labu2312 depends since the US is much more isolationist and might be more seclusive than in our timeline.
If everything went right for America, then that would mean the Foubdibg Fathers would've been able to abolish slavery earlier than in our timeline. The reason they didn't abolish it when they could was because they feared southern rebellion that could impact the war
I don't see how they could do it earlier, unless slavery became disrupted enough in some way, this is assuming that land expansion went right for America, not necessarily slavery or other social issues
@@danielzhang1916 Point of divergence: Malaria evolves a strain that lingers longer, and is more communicable. Africans are now seen as too dangerous to transport to North America.
and mauritiana would stop in 1981 eiither way
@@danielzhang1916 If slavery became unprofitable it would die out on its own over time.
Like it almost did in real life in the mid 1800's.
@@JakeBaldwin1 that's not what I meant, unless slavery suddenly collapsed it wouldn't just happen, not about naturally fading away
Man, I wish we lived in this timeline. I also wish you went further into South America, Antarctica, the Moon, and beyond.
Im glad Im not the only one with this vision. 🤩
The true America... of both North and South continents and the Artic and Antarctic seas. Complete control over an entire hemisphere and half of two others.
Also... what if Australia/New Zealand and South Africa/Madagascar joined too? Unrestricted access to every ocean and global trade routes - land, air, and sea.
@@the_SolLoserOh hell nawh
GTFOH! The irony is that Latin America is invading you! 🤣
@@the_SolLoser that would be crazy, imagine the logistics of such a huge continent(s), communication and travel would be super difficult, there's a reason "empires" fall because of difficulty controlling the territory
@@danielzhang1916 far easier today than ever before actually. Instantaneous communications across the globe solves most of the problems that empires of the past had. Travel anywhere within half a day solves some more. This isn't the 1800s - territory like that would be easy to keep by comparison.
So glad I was able to work on this with you
why didnt bro mention u
@@xjdkdndnhzndjfndndnnd5506Probably because he didn't work on the video
I don't know what's worse, the fact that many Americans think this is a better timeline, or the fact that I somewhat agree...
I was hesitant, but if you look at it from a perspective of an American, everything that had happened to this land was super dumb and out of our own ignorance. It’s funny because Biblically speaking Israel did the same but to a more extreme degree. The United States is blessed regardless of what timeline
If so what perfect usa u actually think of
it is to all of north america for sure, it would not be a economical division as strong as it is today, having canada an mexico constantly fight for 1st trade partner and the security issues would not have been as strong or even significant like today is since its not a surprice for anyone but corruption leads to american weapons to end up in the cartel's hands since no one would believe they somehow sneak into military bases and leave no trace that they where there i wonder if the drug problem would exist at all in that universe since china didnt really had a reason to export drugs to mexico and the us that where the spark that started all of those problems
@Labu2312 actually the cartels would never be able to survive (if they form at all), at least, not the way we know them today. Such a violent and powerful organization would have been considered a total threat to national security and dealt with using every resource, and in this timeline the cartel could not simply run across the border.
Are you kidding me? This is the best timeline for America.
No way thats true, we need someone to fact check this 0:02
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No no no, he’s definitely on to something.. we gotta let him cook 💀😭
LET HIM COOK
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I think it was actually on the second tbh
The Soviet Union didn’t collapse in 1992 it collapsed in 1991.
It was the 26th of December 91, so it’s like 6 days out from 92, close enough
I’m still correct
I feel like everybody knows regardless, and it’s just either simplicity or a mess up/ “rounding” issue
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It didn`t collapsed either it was dissolved with belovezhskaya pusha agreements.
I don't think the USA could control Mexico without serious concessions to legitimize the Spanish Language. Northern Mexico was very underpopulated as it was mostly dry highlands and desert, not suitable for large cities or large scale agriculture. If America wanted to "control" Mexico, meaning the populated central band of Mexican territory, it would have to become a bi-lingual nation like Canada is today. There's no way it stays peaceful if the USA tries to enforce English on such a large population in the mid 1800s.
ok
You got a point.
And also, I think that the "Racial Stuff" should have changed in order to Pacify Mexico.
I can see Poles, Irish, and Italians going to Mexico and somehow intermarriage the locals (Specially the Irish and Italians) and by that "integrate" Mexico into the Union. But still, I don't see English dominating Mexico. But people would still speak it as second or third language. (Just like in Scandinavia or the Netherlands, where most people can speak English)
Mexico would be more like another Quebec but people would still use English as an unifying language and would still be somehow oficial. But English will not be part of the dairy life everywhere in MX, Central America and the Caribbean.
But in the way Mexico works, I can see the upper classes trying to "Americanize themselves".
But Mexico will get the American government system which is fine
Now, baseball and not soccer would be the most popular sport. And we will dominate it.
@@Yha1000itzThe racial stuff wouldn't be hard at all what would happen. Is that the Spanish descended white Hispanics. Would be recognized ad white and used to oppress the mixed and native populations. Until the analog of the civil rights movement happens.
Spanish is pretty much our second language so it would probably be fine
@@domenico_ginny6164especially for immigrants coming from South America. It would necessary to speak Spanish as a second language.
I wanted to edge to this but was in airport
Why
no excuses, edge away
4th of july would go crazy
Nothing quite like the smell of Freedom in the morning!
9:26 the army in Alabama is a bit special
*Gmod collision sounds*
I mean they were all the children of their cousins so I’m sure it took a bit to get the orders through
God bless AMERICA
oh hello there rewrite
Indeed
YES SIR OORAH
You're right
Hi rewrite
As an American this brings a tear to my eye 🥲
i’m not even american and this brings a tear to my eye
I find it funny it’s still called the Gulf of Mexico
how about the Gulf of El Caribe?
Mexica was the name of the Aztecs so it kinda makes sense
should be renamed the gulf of almost america
Why? Mexico is still a region of this version of the United States.
The US uses previous names for many things including names from Spanish (Los Angeles and San Fransisco) and Native American languages (Massachusetts and Seattle).
Can you spin a wheel with all the modern countries names on them and select one to do the same with, starting at the beginning of the colonial era? I would love to see more, especially out of africa and oceania as no one really talks about that history or alternative history
The US would have never given up interest in Hawaii-- especially if it maintains its neutrality and focuses on industry and global trade. Its the most convenient halfway point in the Pacific between the Americas and Asia, and with Asia being the most populated continent on the planet, it would have likely insisted on annexing Hawaii to facilitate trade with the East.
Yeah but if we took it theirs a good chance that we get pulled into conflict with japan ect
There would have been no legitimate reason to even entertain allowing Russia to get hands on Hawaii. Russia wasn't already there like we were. If any foreign nation had any claim on Hawaii, it would have been Great Britain. But even at the time this creator claims this would have happened (1867?), the USA already had significant presence in Hawaii. Hawaii had great importance to the USA because America had already forced Japan to open up trade to the west in the 1850s (if that had still happened in this alternate timeline), and China had been opened up to trade with Great Britain and Germany (and other European nations) at about the same time, with America joining in soon thereafter. Hawaii would have been a necessary American stopover in shipping in the Pacific, assuming that America was still interested in global trade. Regarding Canadian ex-pats moving to Australia after the War of 1812, that was also an improbability, as that continent was nothing more than a newly organized penal colony to Great Britain at that time, with basically no infrastructure nor civilization to support such a migration. I doubt that such a large number of Canadian ex-pats would have been enticed to make that trip in 1815. A more realistic notion would be that most Canadians would simply remain and be assimilated into American culture and politics.
@@josephvaccariello4181 ... why would there be a good chance we get pulled into conflict with Japan?
@@jasonyoung3690 ... you just repeated my sentence with more words.
@@phoebecole6798 My main point other than all of the same things I mentioned was that we were already there, and Russia wasn't. Saying Russia having any interest in the Islands was sort of an out of the blue thing for this creator to bring up. Other than the US, England had much more of a historical claim in Hawaii than Russia did.
This is a better America!
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Yessir 🎉🎉🎉
Hell yea!
Do a better polish lithuania Commonwealth next
Does trump end up being president of this timeline
During the 1800s Hawaii was not a Russian colony but a independent kingdom The Hawaiian kingdom
Would Haiti still be occupied at some point in this timeline? I could see it being incorporated, probably better than what has ended up happening there in real life.
Hati would be conquered there is 0 chance that the US takes one half of Hispaniola and not the other. Panama is also near certainly at least made into an American vassal state in all but name. To ensure that no other power is ever able to build a canal.
I thing he chose to do this path bc of how the Haitians are people wise. We killed our owners for independence and my mother (first gen btw) said that the Haitians were very stern about never letting their land get sold or taken. It would’ve been a hinderance for the us and would taint the “perfect timeline” as uss Haitians hate being under rule
It's beautiful.
Much more perfect than what I've envisioned honestly. Bravo 🎉
INTERESTINGLY a book I've been working on for a few years now has the same principal idea just done differently. Also THANKS for mentioning my area of Buffalo! ONE MORE thing, IF we had Canada that would mean USA would win Gold in hockey! ANOTHER reason to own Canada.
Buffalo used to be super pretty, but sadly its gone down like most of the Rust Belt
@@Videntis.History Its...coming back though. Just takes a while. There's a mixture of old and new architecture, which makes the city AND areas great. The food has NEVER been bad, plus we rank in the top 1% for wings.
small complaint because i AM that guy, at 1:27 you say we intervene in Korea and Vietnam losing millions of Americans, in Vietnam we suffered 58,220 casualties and in Korea we suffered 36,574 casualties, even if we add the number of wounded (korea:103,284 & Vietnam: more than 300,000) it comes up to less than one million (498,078 in total). i only did a few quick google searches so my numbers are probably off by a bit but there's still a large gape between those numbers. sorry to be the correct the teacher guy but either you misspoke or you have other sources and i wanna know if I'm wrong. also ignore the bad grammar I'm shit at writing and its 4 am
For a sec I thought you meant you were that guy in the picture 😂
@@xxGwoodxx the one and only
@@someguycold8566 wait that really was you? In that case welcome home and thank you for your service and sacrifice
0:21 It's actually the opposite: Although yes there were some who desired all of Mexico, the feelings in Congress and President Polk was that the Mexican Concession was far larger than even their greatest wishes.
@@NewDealChief that’s just not true
9:29 that random army in alabama suddenly getting antsy
Np. Always take all the time you need. Love your content! Suggestion: What if everything went perfectly For Austria after 1848?
Even with a title "What If Everything Went Right for America?" I consider that a bit too optimistic.
Even with an American victory in the War of 1812, I don't see the United States annexing ALL of Canada as Southern interests wouldn't have wanted that much free territory, Canadians were clearly Loyalists to the British crown, the Québeqois would have never accepted Union rule, nor would the British just completely abandon their loyal subjects.
Same with the United States and Mexico following a victory in the Mexican-American War. Sure the United States would have taken more land, but Northern interests would have opposed so much slave supporting lands nor would many Americans want so many Spanish speaking Catholics in the United States.
Your concerns are valid, however I think the Quebecois would see the U.S. differently since they were sick of being under British rule. Loyalists would also likely flee to Britain and the U.S. would grant them passage as to not further piss off Britain. As for Mexico, whilst many would not be pleased with Spanish speaking Catholics, I think the economic benefits would overrule that as we saw in Texas during the 1820s-1840s.
@@TheRealVenom448 Why deal with the hassle of Loyalists and French speaking Catholics when there was vast amounts of sparsely populated lands west of the two Canadas that the Democratic-Republicans would have loved to absorb over places like York.
I think the United States establishes the St. Lawrence River as the border between the United States and eastern Canada with the United States annexing all land south of the river. The United States also gets all of the Oregon Country, even more than Polk's 54°40". Along with all of the Red River and Milk River Basins.
20:30, (PATRIOTIC MUSIC PLAYS AS AMERICANS SALUTE AND WEEP IN JOY.)
As a truck driver the views would be amazing
Truck delivery from Anchorage to Colombia.
honestly your videos have gotten extremely good , i thinki this is a point where no improvement can happen since preety much youre doing everything awsome !
This is just your old 1812 video but amped up to 11, lol. Love it.
Why would the 17th Amendment not be adopted? Historically, direct election of Senators was so popular it almost caused a Second Constitutional Convention to be called. Congress reluctantly sent the 17th Amendment to the States for ratification precisely to prevent a convention.
I remember visiting this timeline. It was an interesting visit for sure.
Man I wish I could take trips to alternate universes.
Everyone jokes but nobody points out how much better the world is in this scenario. No Hitler, no fascism, no communism, no Mao, no North Korea, no Taiwan, Hong Kong, etc. No Xingping, no Putin, no Nikita, no KKK. The list goes on and on
I'm sure other bad things would have happened, if that makes you feel better.
Congrats on the new computer! Suggestion: What if everything went perfectly for Napoleón III?
Better title: America if we listened to the founding fathers
Much better title😊
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Alabama Army tweakin' rn
Very Well Done! Love the content, maps and global impact of America with Canada and Mexico!
You should do a sinarrio on what if gran Columbia united all of the Spanish speaking countries after they all gained independence it is a really interesting sinarrio that not a lot of people have covered that I think you’ll like
there is a multiverse where this happened
Well now I’m sad I don’t live in this world
Think about how many more dope ass national parks we would have. We would have like 150 or something
Great Video! I thoroughly enjoyed it!
Mexico would never be fully annexed by America the reason we didn't was that the Mexican people were mostly Catholics and were seen differently than Americans the only people who did call for all of Mexico were a small radical minority and Texas would still need to be smaller they lost colorado and Oklahoma panhandle because of the mason Dixon line and sold new Mexico to the us government to pay off their debt
and the chance of texas getting all that land in the north of Mexico while they are already so large is a small chance
well, the idea was they are accepted in 1837, so they whole thing becomes a state
@@Circulartriangl true especially with the amount of debt they had. Reason they shrunk in our timeline.
A better alternative would have been Polks original plans of annexation
Lore of What if EVERYTHING went right for AMERICA? Momentum 100
1:49 I thought the USSR collapsed in 1991…
Yea I was saying the same thing
it did collapse in 1991 but maybe he said it because when it did finally collapse it was very close to 1992
THIS WAS FANTASTIC! THANK U !
Please also draw state borders over rivers. It's really hard to make out what the actual borders are.
It's truly the greatest timeline. Now I'm sad I don't live in this America.
i think this timeline wouldve been insane, but history repeats itself, like how the roman empire fell.
it would be highly unlikely and farfetched, assuming a lot of factors come together, I could see a possible future with Canada and maybe half of Mexico, but going further out would be impossible even with everything right
technically, the roman empire was still around till world war 1.
Brother, you gotta make more videos based off of this alternative timeline, this is sick
LOVE this style of History ❤❤❤❤
The problem with this timeline, is that involvement in wars also led to rapid developments in technology due to the military industrial complex
this timeline can still be achievable🇺🇸🦅🗽🏔️
Aw man I was really hoping you’d do post 20th century too lol
I don't think he realizes mexicans consistent 1/3 of the population and with living standards going up and war going down, enforcing language and culture would be impossible thats not including the wave of catholics immigrating. Both Zack Taylor and Winfield Scott recognized that full occupation would be impossible. Even if full annexation happened, it would be done so conditionally and statehood would mean more free states with growing Catholic populations with CDMX vieing as a second capital long-term, especially if pan americanism/latinism takes place. On the bright side, this means American calling themselves Americans would make more sense since the northern half would be unified
This would, I think, be a good America to live in.
I think the biggest points I take issue with are:
1) The notion that a lack of governmental oversight of the stock market or banking would prevent The Great Depression. When in reality, The Great Depression was high tarriffs (which would likely be even higher without income tax), under-regulated financial speculation in the market leading to a bubble that bust on Black Monday, and ironically (though people hate to say it) The Gold Standard, because there simply was not enough physical gold in the world to back up the USD.
If anything I think the depression would have been even worse, with a federal government completely impotent to take any sort of action.
2)I find the notion of a decentralized U.S. not having national corporations dubious. All it would require is the biggest corporation in region A and the biggest corporation in region B to pool their resources and “lobby” to have their states change their laws to suit their interests, and then merge. And it would get easier as the corporation gets bigger. This already happens in our timeline, and if anything the biggest roadblock for corporations is strict regulation by a federal government like in the U.S. or a body like the EU (a good example is the EU basically forcing Apple to have hotswappable batteries and use USB-C in the next few years, if they want to sell iPhones in Europe)
One thing I found very interesting was the way the Native American tribes were assimilated rather than displaced. I do believe this was possible in reality and the precedent would have set interesting legal and cultural foundations for the later emancipation of slaves.
Can you do a video that shows what would change in ww2 if great depression never occurred.Probably the war would last longer due to the betterment of the economy of the countries that were involved in ww2 but I'm pretty sure that you could explain and analyse the theory better.
Why did the USA not buy the british Carribean land or take hati
The federal income tax was implemented to replace excise taxes on alcohol, paving the way for prohibition, not US involvement in WW1.
Killer video man! Much love!
The best timeline.
A better title would be: What if the United States was a libertarian wet dream.
North Carolina only seceded because Virginia did. NC had more economic ties to the north than with their southern neighbors. They only seceded once they were surrounded. If VA was still in the Union, then NC would have no reason to secede.
love this video, I think it would really help to have the approx. year on screen throughout. esp with he southern state introduction it might clear things up!
Could you do a video on what if the Nordic countries united during the age of nationalism or if they stayed united during the Kalmar Union?
Bro this is the best alternative video since it showed how the world would look like and you explained everything so well
What if Japan became a us state somehow after ww2?
So instead of putting a puppet in place, they just annex
aggh guys lets timewarp, this feels so perfect and i want it so bad. no racism, no homophobia, no fights, THIS IS SO BEAUTIFUL 😢
Thank you for mentioning bleeding Kansas. I was raised in Kansas so we were taught it but I realized that a lot of other people raised in other states never heard of it. It was one of the biggest key events that started the civil war.
It's glorious... Greater Colombia, Seminole state, American Greenland...
No income tax is music to my ears
I love it
Beautiful although personally I’d change some things but we all have our own opinions but I think it’s amazing
Great video
As a Native of Hawai'i the idea of becoming Russian sound worse than being American it would be weird to think about that timeline but I myself would prefer a free nation instead of subjugation
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I love how the one flag in Mississippi just starts dancing
A Hamiltonian version of this would be even better
Great Video
Love this video. I've always wondered how America would be like if everything went well. Although I don’t think all this things are seriously realistic, it’s still a cool thought. I also noticed how atrocious some of the state borders were, which is very realistic. Maybe a cool video idea would be if America fixed all its state borders to be natural instead. That with this video idea would be something I would love to see! Your videos are great, keep on going!
In the timeline you present, I cannot see the US having a significant navy at the time of the Great War, so the British certainly would have blockaded the Central Powers as they did in our timeline.