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You guys suck. You do an 8 minute video to explain how you don't have to tell us how much it costs to replace a hybrid battery in a newer Toyota hybrid. We already know the prices in the old Prius' so we didn't watch your stupid video for that. Not surprised your old Prius pack was twice what the real world price is for that. So how much does the battery cost? Change your title to: "We're two little click baitors who won't actually tell you anything about what we put in the title.
A 150,000 miles battery warranty. My last Camry went 244,000 miles before I had any repair work done outside of routine maintenance. At that point, I need to replace the catalytic converte, $600. My Camry is still on the road and just rolled over to 400,000 miles. My Honda Pilot went just over 225,000 miles, and I spent about $2,000 on repairs. It's far cheaper than replacing batteries. I'll stick with gas.
Yup. Most people forgot that the money saved on hybrid is actually going for the new battery, not going into their pocket. On top of that having 2 engines means still have to maintain the ICE engine just like regular cars (oil, filter, radiator, etc). Whereas having regular economical cars with smaller engine can still give you 30mpg at least, it's money you save. Better skip the hybrid and jump to EV directly when the time is right.
Nope. You can't stick with gas. Go and try to find a new car without hybrid/electric. You might find some tiny Korean car with a diesel, but that is about it. I tried...
@@TechTusiast🤣🤣🤣 You didn’t try very hard, or you are lying for a reason. Which is it? Thousands of new gas only vehicles just a click away or a short drive.
I am retired and I live in Canada. Due to our climate I would not consider a fully electric vehicle but I would consider a hybrid if I drove enough miles. I now only use my vehicle to run a few errands, get groceries, etc. and I only use maybe half of a tank of gas per month so fuel cost isn't a big part of my budget. I think that the simplicity and lower purchase price of a non-hybrid is a good choice for my situation. MY friend bought a new hybrid Camry as well a Rav 4 hybrid when he retired and he is really happy with both of his vehicles. He still drives quite a bit so the hybrid vehicles are a good choice for him. Thank you for the video!
I was doing the math also. At 10K yr for 10 yr, the hybrid only save about $1800.00 in total with vehicle cost and gas. Since retired, I am down to less than 8K yr, so I think I will get the regular RAV4 AWD in about 5 years! LOL Crazy times as I may only be able to buy non electric one last time!
you've done the right thing, hybrids are good if you drive a lot and constantly, for example you'll see Uber drivers getting crazy mileage out of original hybrid batteries. However if you are retired and do short trips a few times a week that will kill your hybrid battery much faster. Not really designed for that kind of use.
@@martinscocan5221 I did not even think about trying to use enough to keep the hybrid battery up to snuff. So the answer is definitely regular gas Rav4. Well, I hope the 2013 truck lasts 5 more years! lol
Retired Canuck here too. Just want to say that it's a good idea and fun, to take it out for a good run once in a while. Lots of short runs are hard on a vehicle.
@@rodrigoroaduterte9415 I would bet it is so. The Toyota hybrids usually have 200K mile life on the front pads; the rear pads hardly wear at all. My 2014 Prius will get new front pads when the weather dries out a bit. It has a bit over 200K miles on the pads already. That is typical life.
I have the 2019 Rav4 Hybrid Limited with 96k miles and my gf has the 2012 Camry Hybrid XLE with 157k miles. We’re both seeing about 40mpg still! We love the Toyota technology and Toyota Jeff’s videos!
You are blessed! I baby my 2016 Honda Pilot and it gets 35 mpg on the interstate. Probably because it shuts down 3 cylinders when it gets up to speed. City and avg mileage is not so good, 24.7 mpg combined. I am thinking about buying a Rav 4 hybrid or a rav 4 prime. Will wait to see what the new model change looks like. The current Rav 4 is the most sought after car in the world!
This video is a rarity must-watch in the world of misinformation and dodging the important questions about EVs. 10/10 for asking and fully answering all the important questions without all the usual hot air used to cover the truth. Well done guys. Since writing the above and reading the comments below, which I agree with, it is becoming clearer that given the time the battery has to be changed, due to the EV battery and fitting high cost, the EV resale value falls through the floor. One independent report by an EV sympathizer said it is now evident that the EV-buying public have been used as guinea pigs because the manufacturers had no background information to judge what the future of used EVs would be, which is now. The main manufacturers are now walking away from making EVs because of the inherent problems. Hydrogen seems to be the way to go but needs a lot of development before the engines have a decent autonomy of 400 to 500 miles. I have deep reservations about hydrogen reactors. In the meantime, my preferred options are some advanced petrol and diesel cars that have incredibly low particle emissions and low consumption. In my view, it is not the time to throw the internal combustion engine baby out with the bath water. Banning the sale of petrol and diesel cars will have to be scrapped and rethought.
the thing is this isnt an ev its a hybrid and it doesnt run the same battery tech as an ev this is Nimh where as ev is lipo4 ..... these guys got this badly wrong
My 2014 Camry with 225,000 has had its battery replaced this summer 2023. The cell pack, my son changed it out on a saturday. I paid $2350 and got new cells in a swap out, $750 core charge which I got back. I put in a new starting battery at the same time. Everything went as planned and I'm back to stock, it still runs great!
@@gdholmfirth At that price the pack is NEW. Most retailers have installation available if you don’t have some one that can doo it for you. Also they can install in your area as well. I haven’t heard of any NEW batteries not having warranties. Don’t be a hater.
@@BoomerRang11 all batteries can be bought online. Some retailers have nationwide installation if you aren’t mechanically inclined or don’t have the time.
If you are buying a hybrid for long term, make sure you compare the battery replacement cost and warranty between the brands of vehicles you are shopping for. There is a huge difference between brands. I checked with a local Honda dealer in Canada and he quoted for the new CRV, the battery was around $12,000 Canadian plus labor! I would assume this is high due to a relatively new model with not many sold yet. Hopefully in time, as more are sold the price would come down. Toyota is definately a leader in hybrids with many years of manufacturing them.
Here is the Cost in USA (in Greenback US Dullars... 😆 😆) 8k USD$ max would be about 12k CAD&; but since we should not keep our Car (Hybrids) longer than 10 years; Warranty is 8-year by Honda. Then after 8 years we should buy a Refurbished Honda 🔋 🔋 = 2,500 USD; and when this replacement is Dying on us = it would be time to buy a New Honda Hybrid Model 2035 = C'est La Vie... It costs more nowadays to keep a vehicle longer than 12 years. Just recycle so that Jobs can be Created. Besides any Cars/SUV made in Canada gets rusted after 10 years,... haha 😂 😂 = Cost much more to treat and body Works. In Japan an averaged Car driving about 8-10k (km) not like 20k miles annually like USA; even in Quebec, with many Public Transportation services ─ an average of 15,000 km Driving annually for Canadians living in Quebec/ or Quebecois = C'est La Vie. [ Let’s say you’re due for your hybrid car battery replacement. How much will it cost to replace? Hybrid battery replacement costs can range anywhere from $2,000 to $8,000. This will depend on the type of car you drive, the size of your battery, and other factors. Here are a few other factors to consider when contemplating your hybrid battery replacement cost: Batteries perform the best in a stable and mild environment, so if you live in a climate with extreme temperatures, you might need to replace your battery more often. Your car will warn you of any battery issues through its built-in warning system. So if you see new lights pop up on the dashboard, schedule your service appointment at your next convenience. Hybrid cars are reliable and dependable, but sometimes components malfunction. While you might expect to need a hybrid car battery replacement, you might actually need another service - which is why a proper diagnosis is so crucial. Get Expert Car Care at Straub Honda ] Quoted.
First of all, thank you Dealer Rep. for being somewhat, if not completely candid while talking about the batteries. The hybrids are usually cheaper than the all-electric vehicles when it comes to battery replacement. It's simply a smaller battery. That being said accidents do happen and batteries get damaged and warranties don't cover that. So I would suggest you find out the cost to replace a battery for the electric motor before buying one of these vehicles. It will be shocking.
I don't know about other models, but the classic Prius battery is in no danger of damage if the car is repairable; it is under the rear seat near the middle of the car.
I know of a Reputable Company selling brand NEW lithium batteries for $900 for the 2nd and 3rd Gen Prius. Not too Shocking considering what the video is telling you.
Yes, he was vague in giving out the answers. On a hybrid vehicle, batteries are usually much smaller.. That is what I want to find out and he did not give out the answers. I also want to know how many hybrid batteries are in the Hylander hybrid.
I have a 2014 Prius with 310,000 miles with original hybrid battery still get me 49 mpg, absolutely love it. Will get a RAV4 hybrid next car. Toyota I trust
@@thomasreyes2857 It depends on how you drive your car. I also have a 2014 Prius with 220,000 mile and battery life is at 85%. Still netting me 44 MPG, what the car is rated at. Only 90,000 miles too catch up.
In this video the man says the dealers charge about $5,000.00 to replace the hybrid battery and they only do 1 battery replacement per month for a service center with 6,000 cars worked on per month. he doesn't seem to be aware that independent repair shops charge anywhere from $1,500.00 to $2,500.00 max depending if you get a remanufactured battery or an OEM.
So an obvious question will be how good is the warranty (and honoring the warranty) at such shops? If you get a bad/weak warranty, the savings might not be such a great deal after all.
A hybrid vehicle has both a gasoline engine and a battery ststem so if the battery is in need of a charge, the gas engine can charge the batterie pack and it also gives the car a power boost under acceleration but when cruising on a leavel road the battery suplies all the power too the wheels. A great system and you dont have too find a charging station every 3 or 400 miles to recharge the battey pack.
I drive a 3rd Gen 2014 Prius at 244,000 miles still running great with og battery. It did start consuming oil around 120k miles. Also had to replace entire fuel liner and pump at 200k miles. As well as replace 3 ignition coils that exploded 2 seperate times. Only replaced brake pads once and they are still good. 40 to 50 mpg daily. Taken it on several road trips and left car running overnight a couple of times
He said his shop sees 6000 cars a month??? |Ain't NO WAY!!! if they were open 7 days a week that's 200 cars A DAY. 6 days a week is 250 per day, and 5 days a week 272 CARS PER DAY. I thought Toyota were suppose to be great cars?
@@victormaholik594 I worked in a small volume Toyota dealership, which meant that we only had 15 service bays. This guy probably has 20 to 30 service base and can easily do that many cars.
You’ve still got to service the vehicle regularly! Oil changes etc. Unless, of course , you’re one of those owners who drives until a warning light comes up?
I did my 2010 Prius in the front yard in 100F deg weather. Did it in 3 hours. That involved swapping out modules. Had to do some troubleshooting and modification. That took forever. Cost about $2,240 and I got to keep my old modules to resell.
So what was happening that you knew your battery needed replacement? Do you get a warning light saying it's bad or won't charge... Was the vehicle still completely driveable in full gasoline mode? Does regenerative braking stop working? What exactly was the sequence of events and your observations would be appreciated.
@@DownUndaDiggaI would not use NiMH battery for solar, they don’t store as much as Lithium ion batteries, think about 1:4 in term of energy density, and lithium can charge and release electricity at higher rate.
@@michaelkuhn402 Go short on copper stocks lol. Last time I checked, there is 180 lbs of copper in each ev. 130 lbs in phev and 80 lbs in hybrids. I only have combustion now.
The new car dealerships are not seeing much battery replacements only because the customers go do the replacement elsewhere for 45 min at home address and much less cost.
Thank you so much for this, I just went from a 2006 Prius (yes the whole hybrid battery had been replaced 2014) to a 2023 Corolla Hybrid and while I felt like an expert on the Gen 2 battery, I do have a bit of a learning curve on the new batteries. Being able to get this info is so helpful for making sure I save back for future costs.
The dark underbelly of the hybrid market is the battery replacement cost. I can understand why this dealer doesn't see many hybrid battery replacements. Spending $5000 on a battery for a 10-12 year old vehicle doesn't make financial sense. Those people are going the aftermarket battery route. The hybrid battery in my 2010 Prius died at 165K miles. Battery failure is a lot more common than this dealer employee admits. Given that, I'd still buy a newer Prius, but I'd sell it before it got to the 150K mark.
@@lukeclifton4392that's different. With EV you don't have to deal with oil, filter, radiator, muffler, etc associated with ICE or hybrid engines. That's already saving you money
Interesting, I had the hybrid battery replaced on my 2012 Toyota Camry in about an hour in 2019. Still going strong now.. Reconditioned for $1,300 here in Chicago. Yet he says that it takes 5 hours.
If a guy pulls out the Chilton BS turn around and leave. Get on the internet and look up local indy car repair shops with a 5-star Yelp rating. @@cousinfester4621
And you are not getting a new battery as implied by the dealer. It is a refurbished battery that only replaced the bad cells leaving the marginal cells in the battery to fail in short order. This happens even when it fails under warranty.
There are MANY independent companies that will replace your hybrid battery wherever you are (home) in an hour for $1000 with warranty. Your hybrid will run like new.
Yeah but just keep in mind, the replacement batteries these companies provide are refurbished battery packs which means in those battery packs, they only replace the cells that are completely worn out and not ALL the cells. So your “new” battery back will still have some cells that are old in use, but still have some life left to them.
@k_c1429 i can get a replacement traction battery with ALL NEW CELLS for 1700 installed. Prices have gone up a little bit since i last checked a few years back. But it also has a warranty in case there are problems with the replacement
Greed at the dealer level will put them out of business especially if the dealer uses the TEAM SYSTEM where you have one knowledgeable Tech and 2 or 3 helpers that need constant baby sitters and only make 10 or 12 dollars an hour where as the customer is paying $150.00 an hour???
My family have 7 Toyotas. Two 4unner were bought this year. We try to collect gas cars before they become turbo or hybrid. If you want a Toyota that can last long, go buy a gas engine one before they disappear. Dont buy complicate hybrid system or turbo engine Toyota.
Toyota hybrids 12v battery does not start the engine. It boots the computers which bring the traction battery online, which then spins the engine to start.
Interesting notes about this. The cost to replace a Tesla (cheapest) model 3 battery is about 14 grand. To replace the high-end Tesla is about 30-40 grand. The same for other EV-manufactured models. The Prius is different. It is a high-quality car that uses both gas and electricity. Because it does this, you can expect twice the life out of each. Prius battery replacement costs around 8 grand and the engine about 4 grand. But - because they work together and do half the work each, you should get about 250-300 k miles out of a Prius. The car itself will be valueless by the time the battery or engine needs replacement.
My 2013 Prius at 281000 miles on and still the original battery. There’s two packages from a local hybrid battery manufacturer 1)cost you 800 for 60’000 miles with one year guarantee. 2)1650 bucks for 100’000 miles with warranty.
@@Goodnightandgoodluck-c7m do fully synthetic oil every 5k miles. Change the engine and cabin filter around 25k miles. Transmission fluid change around 40k miles. Don’t drive harsh
Taxi drivers in Manchester, U.K. drive old prius models over 300k . Some share where one driver runs it 12 hours a day and the other drives it 12 hours a night for 7 days . A replacement hybrid battery costs no more than £400 reconditioned. New things not as good as old in many ways .
There’s plenty of good independent shops knowledgeable in hybrid technology and a hell of a lot cheaper! Make sure shop is ASE certified with hybrid! Dealers labor is in ball park of $160 hr
Exactly. In the SF Bay Area here there are so many independent specialists shop who can do this. Do keep in mind that his is dealer labor price and dealer part price, they are much higher.
After 11 years and 120k miles, I have had few issues with my 2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid. I have replaced wheel-speed sensors under warranty, one set of brake pads, and one 12-volt battery, and I am on my third set of tires.
Hybrids first came out with a 100,000 mile warranty on the battery, which, of course, was misinterpreted to mean that the battery would definitely die at 100,000 miles. Back then, a new unit from the factory installed at a dealer was the only option and was very expensive if not covered under warranty. In the meantime, hybrid batteries have proven to have long service lives and the large number of aging hybrids has brought about many independent aftermarket companies that will rebuild or replace hybrid batteries for far less than what used to be the dealer price. There's a bunch of stuff on every car that can easily cost more to repair or replace than a Prius battery.
Having dealer replace battery is nuts - I’ve looked up multiple companies that do replace them for brand new packs for under $3k installed mobile for 2014 Camry hybrid
These repair costs are pretty high. 5k for an old Prius, and 7.5k for the newer models. This is the drawback of having zero price competition for parts, and also making things not easily repairable. A tragedy of the modern manufactured world which assumes every product is disposable. Toyota is not a particularly bad company, but which companies make things repairable any more? I had a Collins 75S-3C receiver; a luxury piece of electronics in 1965, and it is still repairable, because it was made to be so. Schematics were published, and you could get to every part of the mechanism. It was a different mentality back them. We need to go back to that era.
My 2007 Lexus RX 400h battery is still rolling at almost 189,000 miles. We have only had it for 2 and a half years, but no trouble. Hopefully we'll get many more miles of service out of this battery before it needs to be replaced.
Wow! No hybrid battery replacement for 16 years?!? I have only 4 years on mine and I was mentally prepared to change the hybrid battery after another 6 years (10 years since the purchase)...
I have a 2006 Lexus RX400h and have had no problem at all with the battery either. I've never had an analysis done on the power left in the battery but I assume its good since I seem to be averaging (according to the computer) around 26/27 mpg. On one trip last year I actually got to 29.9 and I was trying my best to nudge it to 30 mpg but just couldn't quite make it! I love this car. People can't believe how good it still looks inside and out. Good luck with yours!
@@deirdre108not being a wise guy but... 26 mpg?? That's not so good. My '17 F150 with a 5.0 V8 gets 21 to 22 combined. That's calculated at the pump btw.
@@jerryjeromehawkins1712I was actually surprised it got this good of mpg considering the weight of the car-around 4500 lbs. Also I live in Washington State and do a lot of uphill and over the mountain passes travel. Also maybe the difference of 11 years between our vehicles is a factor. I’m sure the technology improved over that time to realize more mpg. Those are some possibilities that might explain the difference in mpg.
@@jerryjeromehawkins1712u are comparing a car 11 years older. U have no clue how much the car industry has improved on their tech? U are comparing apples to oranges.
You should talk about how the battery packs are sensitive to extreme cold and heat. Lithium ion batteries have issues Keep your hybrid. Ill take a na engine that gets 35 on highway anyday
@@alsheremeta Hybrids do not have starter motors, depend on battery driven electric motor to provide starting torque needed for initial internal combustion engine start up.
2009 was the second gen batteries, they were not quite as good as the 3rd gen and later. You probably could have had that done much cheaper, with an independent shop.
Only cost ! You people are on a different plant ! Most people can't afford that 🤔. Ok if ur loaded, well off or rich ANOTHER HUGE ELECTRIC CAR CON ! for the majority of people.
@@davidtomlinson6138 $2300 isn't a lot of money to replace a battery. That's not another planet, you should have way way more than that saved up, unless you are young.
I drive my ICE cars 20+ years and never had a high cost repair on my Honda and Toyotas. My current Honda is a 2008. I like the way they talk about 10 years. He never did quote a price to replace newer system.
I think in Canada, the cost to replace the battery pack is about $8k incluidng labour. The good news is I don't know anyone who owns a Toyota hybrid has had to replace the pack yet.
Thanks Jeff. This clip made me make up my mind. I’m going with ICE Cross. The added cost of hybrid and battery replacement doesn’t cover gas. 5k for battery of early gens is more than half of car value
Yup. Most people forgot that the money saved on hybrid is actually going for the new battery, not going into their pocket. On top of that having 2 engines means still have to maintain the ICE engine just like regular cars (oil, filter, radiator, etc). Whereas having regular economical cars with smaller engine can still give you 30mpg at least, it's money you save. Better skip the hybrid and jump to EV directly when the time is right.
@@shadowbanned5164 Stop spewing FUD about EVs. Tesla batteries degrade 8% per 200k miles and their EVs last 2x-3x longer than ICE. You can degrade the batteries faster by using DC fast charging more often, though most EV owners slow charge at home at night ~90% of the time. Also some types of batteries degrade if you overcharge them beyond the 80%-90% recommendations or discharge them to 0%. And, driving an EV frequently in extreme temperatures can impact degradation as well. Just Google it to verify what I am saying rather than listening to FUD.
@@moorefacts6605 Bro....replacing an engine???....Im driving a car thats 60 years old and still running the original motor what kind of car needs an engine replacement?
I used to drive a Prius. Came up with a fault code, wasn't charging battery pack. Dealer checked and decided the battery was faulty. Upon removal, it was discovered the terminals on the leads were corroded. New leads were ordered and fitted. The battery would charge fully but occasionally this fault would appear and it would not charge, which I attribute to the corroded contacts on the HV leads, just like any battery. Finally weeks later, went to pick up the vehicle. Went to the service counter, paid the bill over $5000, then went out onto the lot and got in the car. Turned on the car and the same fault code came up that it was put into the dealer for. Returned to the counter and someone checked the car. Now you need to replace the ECU they said. Again without a car. Prius was getting around 6 litres per 100km. It wasn't long after getting the car back that Mitsubishi had discounts across the range. After years and about 6 Toyota's all good except the Hybrid, made the purchase of a Mitsubishi Outlander 2wd. Just driving carefully, the same fuel economy was achievable in the Mitsubishi Outlander. Could not be happier. Never a single issue with the Outlander 2016 model, never a fault, drove well, responsive engine, good economy, good design. Made the decision before buying the Mitsubishi, never another Toyota, never another Hybrid. All the hype, all the expense and repairs that cost as much as the car is worth nearly for fuel economy that can be achieved with a Mitsubishi SUV that is way more functional and with such low servicing costs. Hybrids are a Con.
It’s honestly not THAT complicated to replace a hybrid battery in say, a Prius. Plenty of tutorials on UA-cam showing you exactly what you need to do. You’ll still need to spend $2,000-$3,000 on a new battery from a reputable company but that’s still saving you a ton of money.
Thanks for sharing this. The labor costs are a big part of late model repairs. I want to at least be able to see major common fail parts on a car I buy. If it's buried then hours of labor might be required.
$7,500 for a Tundra battery! Tells me I made the right decision going with the 2023 Tundra without the hybrid. It has more power than I need and I just towed a large John Deere Gator on a double axial trailer for the first time and the truck never felt like it had a load on it. The hybrid does not get you better gas mileage only a lot more torque and a slight increase in HP. If you need more torque then nothing beats a diesel.
I have a 2011 Prius, 250,000 miles on it and, knock on wood, haven’t had to replace the hybrid battery yet. Hoping the time won’t come in the next year or two, but looking at what vehicle I want next …not sure if hybrid is the route to take. I did need to replace the head gaskets about 10 months ago…that was expensive too!
@@lonestarlaurel There have been head gasket problems with the 2010 and a couple years later - don't know exactly how many of them. Ditto with high oil consumption even though those are not causally connected. We had a 2010 that was smashed when parked about five years ago. Now we have a 2014 that is trouble free. Just be sure to change oil every 5 k miles.
the little bit of mileage advantage of prius definitely not cost effective as compared to the 2 or 3 hundred thousand miles say a corolla engines get before major repairs...heck, you can buy a low mileage used corolla for far less than a battery replacement
200k on my 07 Lexus hybrid, OEM traction battery... still going, no major repairs... ICE version is about 10mpg less... so its cost effective for sure.
Good to hear. I was contemplating buying my wife a Hybrid, and now KNOW it would be super stupid to do so. He speaks of $5000 to replace as if it's not a big deal - WELL it is for the average American! Sad, this goes to prove that in the end, it's way better to buy a gas or diesel powered vehicle!
@@1950Archangel SOP is to diagnose health of individual cell then decide whether the cells need to be replaced or the whole pack. If the whole pack needs to be replaced, customer is given the choice of new vs refurbished.
Drive it until the battery warrenty runs out... wont cost you anything then... If you buy a used hybrid, dont take it to the dealer that will charge you 4 times what someone else will...
Ok. Now tell me why the 12 volt battery in my 2017 RAV4 XLE hybrid is well over $500 just for the battery? And I can’t find a single third party battery reseller that sells the same battery. What is Toyota pulling on the consumer regarding these batteries?
They are pulling the same thing all manufacturers are with the price of their parts. I would think any good AGM battery of the same dimensions would be perfectly fine. Try Interstate battery, but still probably going to be $2-300
I have a 21 chr, great car and love it but the 10 year warranty is only if you have main dealership service at £380 pounds every year even if you only do low mileage
Years ago I was looking at the prices of used Prius's and I noticed that there were tons of the same model year with roughly about the same mileage on them for sale at the same time. I thought that was odd. Well, I think I figured why at the time. They all had mileage on them that coincided with the warranty expiration.
The Prius is pretty much the most reliable model of a very reliable brand. A lot of vehicles are leased, usually for 3 years, so there are always a lot of 3 and 4 year old vehicles of every make and model on the used car markets.
@@johnstuartsmith true. But a lot of them at the time had roughly the same mileage where the battery warranty ran out. And that's when battery life was still a big question mark. Maybe just a coincidence.
@@lucky889s9 i have a customer with a 1998 prius and the battery pack is still perfect, the only thing that will kill a Nimh battery is poor maintenance
I got a 2008 Toyota Prius last year and It needed a new battery. I bought it online from a dealer for $1,600 plus tax and Got another Toyota dealer to install it for like $650. I don't see why it would take 5 hours to replace it. Total was $2620
The Panasonic 12v AGM batteries are absolutely fantastic. The batter in my 2012 Camry hybrid still has a full charge based on voltage. Amazing! Other brands of AGM batteries like Optima have been ‘reversed engineered’ to fail after 5-6 years or less, just like conventional 12v batteries. Optima is really crap.
We have a 2002 (gen 1) Prius that needed a traction battery rebuild two years ago at 208K miles. The first gen batteries had a service thingie (I don't think it was a recall, but a program to seal the cells where the connections met the shell). The sealant was kind of like old contact adhesive after 20 years but was removable by softening it with an oily solvent - I used Techron because it was handy. I used a $2000 rebuild kit from Electron Hybrid Solutions because I didn't want any halfway measures. The battery weighs over 100 lbs and is not particularly convenient to get in and out. The results were terrific.
I had a coworker who's 2nd gen Prius went into limp mode at 140k miles. The owner always had Toyota do the maintenance on it. The car was 6 or 7 years old when it had this problem. I suspect it was a fan or filter problem causing the batteries to heat up that put it into limp mode . A clogged filter under the back seat is a very common cause of this problem. The Toyota dealership said it was bad batteries and charged my coworker 4,000 dollars to install a new battery pack.
Obviously, most people won't do it, but go find UA-camr Chris Fix and his Prius Battery fix and replacement. If you aren't scared. If you know categorically it's the battery pack. If you have the time to take your time, it looks doable. But, that's a lot of ifs.
It's seems like the more you drive it the better bc I've never had problems with the battery until I started driving less and due to cold weather!! I'm in a 2015 Camry xle hybrid..no other problems.regular oil changes and brakes.Im at 204k miles! went to have battery and charging system checked, and both said good! So in freezing temperatures, I'll be starting in the middle of the night and driving around the block.I wouldn't recommend a hybrid for snowy states bc I'm in Ga! Ive had it since 2015 and its been riding like a champ 🏆 I love my hybrid...im just wondering does it have two battery systems? The only one i see is the 12v in the trunk...Im guessing theres another under the hood?
The inverter/converter / power control unit resides under the hood - bright orange cables terminate there. The hybrid (traction) battery itself lives under the rear seat on a '15 Camry, I believe.
Auris hybrid 2010 , 260k miles and the battery is ready to go for replacement. Not fault shown yet but pending, and it will need a new one soon. Around £2000 in UK
6:18 Traction/hybrid batteries should be treated as long-term consumables. It’s not a matter of if but when they need to be replaced. The data point from this also one dealership (if you take their anecdotes as the true data) is approx. 13 years (2010 MY and older) before they start seeing vehicles that need a replacement. This is one dealership and not a representative sampling of hybrid vehicles. It is a limited data point and if you take this one instance as the baseline, it has a high risk of bias.
I own a 2010 Toyota Auris with a normal Prius hybrid driveline with only 60.000 miles. The battery is just fine, so nothing to worry about for now. Here, I can even buy a refurbished Hybrid battery for € 650,- or a new battery for € 1800,-. The battery in my car is also stored behind the rear seat in the trunk, so you have only remove the backrest and some panels to reach it.
He has been trained well. When asked how much battery replacement is talk about how reliable they are and do not tell them how much it costs to replace the battery. 😂😂
I rebuilt the battery in our 2002 Prius. The old cells went in the box the new ones came in and were sent back to the vendor with supplied labels, postage paid. The cells have valuable metals in them.
2012 Prius, 126k miles, dead battery warning. Dealer wants 4k to replace. Checking with local shop tomorrow to see if they can replace cheaper. Won't get another hybrid because of this. Before the Prius I had a 1998 Camry with 250k miles on it. No major issues or repairs.
Check out ChrisFix's video, "I Bought the Most Hated Car on the Internet" If you have muscle power to heft the battery out and back in you can save more than half that price. The company he recommends has rebuild kits from $1588 to $2738... you would probably prefer the $1588 version. I did a gen 1 rebuild with this company's pack; except for being a retiree with no strong man to help me heft the battery around it was a simple job. The company was easy to work with. Finally, note that the video stresses cleaning the battery cooling fan and ducts.
My 2012 Prius c battery was replaced after 180k miles. It took 20 minutes at a Walmart parking lot. Cost me 1500. I did an aftermarket and it works just fine. The reason they don’t see it, is because you would not want to pay Toyota to do it. He is totally right that the batttery and front brakes are the only thing I have done except for oil. There are interlocks, and the installers are trained. The high voltage is not that big of a problem. Don’t worry, if someone else is doing it
Are you sure if the big battery was replaced? There is no way to replace it in 20 minutes. You might mistake it with the small 12V battery. I replaced mine less than 20 minutes at $500 OEM battery and sweat
With every vehicle I have owned I have never had a complete engine failure that required replacement except when I was a kid buying $50 cars that started out ready to fail. Every vehicle I have owned since then which has been about 10 or 11 has gone well over 150,000 miles without engine failure and several well over 200,000 miles that I got rid of because of rust out. I would still have my 2000 Ram with 235,000 miles in 2017 if it hadn't rusted to the point the door strikers rusted out of the vehicle and I had to tie the doors closed with rope.
Have a 2010 Lexus Hs250h with 220,000kms. So 13 years old. Been the most solid vehicle we've ever owned and we've had this vehicle since 2014. Almost 10 years. Just basic maintenance and a rotted muffler pipe. That's it!!!
Besides the gasoline savings, hybrids save on brakes. My brakes are still over 50% on my 2015 Prius at 110,000 miles. I am still on the original 12v battery too. Shop around if you need a hybrid battery though since an independent dealer will replace the hybrid battery in 1/2 the time (less waiting for you) and for less $$$$.
@@FrancisoDoncona It would cost $80,000 to replace your car with a like-kind mercedes. It would get 27 mpg and be loaded with issues from day one. A new Prius is $32,000 and gets 50+ mpg. Do the math my friend. The Toyota always comes out ahead.
I bought a new 2011 Prius and at 100,000 miles I had no problems whatsoever. I knew two guys with the same year of Prius in avionics who worked with me and they already knew what was involved, but we never had any trouble
Batteries are around 2000 more or less ,probably 2000 to remove ,install and re boot and calibrate the electronics. So taxes etc around 5000 dollars. What you save at the gas pump is gained on the back end replacing that battery. Oh yah forgot, the disposal fee.
You dont have to re boot or recalibrate... its plug and play... at least most toyota ones are.... Batteries are sent to facilities that Strip them down and sell the cells as storage for solor systems among many other things...
Those are dealer price. Just like any mechanical work dealer price will be much higher. Independent shops who specialize in hybrid can do it and in the SF Bay Area there are so many of them since Toyota has been doing hybrid for a long long time.
If the mpg was 45 vs 30 then over a 150k mile time you'd save 1700 gals. At $3.50 a gal that's @ $6000. So you have the higher initial cost and the battery replacement cost more than eats up the gas savings. I expect insurance is also higher on a hybrid.
What a big con EVs are, souless and expensive, a battery on four wheels, and not to mention the price everyone will be paying for the electricity, we need more alternatives.
Seems to be some confusion between full hybrids and plug-in hybrids where some just call em' "hybrids". To me apples and oranges... Plug-ins seem to get very good milage if used as commuter say 20-40 miles a day (depending on whether you can charge at home and at work or not). But if it turns out to be a good economical deal won't be clear until you sell it... How many would dare to buy a 10 year old Rav4 plug- in say 2030? Will there even be a new battery of the right type to buy at that time if you need to swap?
BEV's suck. They are very polluting, hugely expensive (and is a no go if you think about the cost to replace the battery), very unreliable (last place in Consumer Reports annual vreliability survey), extremely dangerous, controllable, subsidized with our money by the Marxist states etc. Hybrids are the best of both worlds (ICE & EV).
@@d7895482... but which EV for which hybrid??? Some EVs are more sports car than eco box... I don't know of any true hybrid sports cars (that are affordable).
Hello there! Thank you very much for the useful video! I'm not very familiar with the hybrid cars and honestly wasn't really interested in them until recently. I have fully committed myself to EVs, and began to think about converting retro (and not so old) ICE cars. However after watching your video and a few others I began to think it makes sense to include in this group for conversion hybrid cars too. They are after all half electric to put it this way. For example Toyota/Lexus have some models which have powerful enough electric motors to move the car on electricity only, in this case is it possible to remove the ICE from the car and use it as electric only? Of Course battery capacity has to be increased and few other changes to be done. My question is does it make sense for this conversion and if it does, could you please point which models are the best candidates? Regards, Thanks!
Well you do not see the earlier than 2010 come in to replace the battery because all of them probably go to third party shop to replace the hybrid battery/aftermarket one cost around $1500-2000 parts + labor ...yeah!
Gen 1 through Gen 4 it is the same cell and doesn't require an middle class or higher income to fix or even upgrade for that matter as diy provided one isn't disabled or has an IQ that isn't noticeably lower than room temperature. People these days spend amazing amounts of money on just simple things that could have been done for a lot less and look how expensive things have gotten in the past couple of years.
I bought a Hyundai Sonata hybrid new in 2015. Hyundai warrantied the hybrid battery for life for the original owner. When the vehicle was new, I got about 47 mpg. I now get about 39 or 40 mpg. I’m pretty sure the reason for this is because the hybrid battery is not as strong and cannot handle as much of the EV model as it did when new. This vehicle has saved me money on replacing brakes because of the regeneration system. I have over 110,000 miles on it and would have had to replace the brakes twice by now. My car looks and runs like new. Still extremely quiet with no squeaks or rattles. I’m 80 years old and have owned more than 20 vehicles. This is by far the best car I’ve ever owned.
@@KingKangUSA yes I know that. The 12v battery on our NX350h is in the trunk. To jump start it, the positive terminal is under the hood in that flip up red clip.
Sorry, a quite unrealistic comment comparing it to an I.C.E. Exactly how many times do you completely replace an internal combustion engine? More common is the procedure of replacing a single failed component. That is a whole lot cheaper.
The other challenge facing those opposed to hybrid vehicles at this time is that unlike in the past, Toyota's non-hybrid vehicles are now mostly powered by turbo-charged (rather than naturally aspirated) engines. And these engines, at the very least, require far more maintenance and change of parts due to the extreme heat they generate. With this in mind, it seems that the strategy is to push the buyers to trade in their vehicles far more frequently than in the past; sometimes out of the fear that their expensive hybrid batteries may go bad, other times out of the fear that their turbo-charged engines may require a costly repair after a few years of use.
No, they're paired with NA engine, not turbo. What model you talking about with Turbo hybrid? Turbo needs more room in the hood. If they were to increase more power, toyota would use bigger batteries. Same goes with honda, etc
The engines used in the T hybrids that I’m aware of (like the 3 cylinder 1.5 one in mine) have a reputation for being robust machines. They do not use turbo chargers, nor any rubber belts at all, no separate starter motors or alternators either. The spark plugs used are long life with no normal servicing (iridium tipped ones). Normal servicing is just routine oil and coolant replacement.
The world moves on turbos ... we call them diesels, they always had direct injection and turbocharger. You wish your car had a turbo. Cars are garbage by any metric ... fuel economy per distance, per load, maintenance required ... nothing about cars is outstanding. A turbo, a hybrid system, anything that makes them more like industrial equipment is a much needed improvement. The savings come from efficiency and less wear and tear
Own a 2008 Camry Hybrid and I have owned it since new. Still running strong. You just can't beat Toyota. I have had no problems with the battery pack at all. Very little Maintenance just Gas, oil, and tires.
We have a 2010 Lexus HS250h in the family fleet. Engine is notorious for eating oil so we make sure it's topped up (eats around 1 quart every 5000 miles). But her hybrid battery has been rock solid. Has 214K miles on it. Other than one brake job and the AGM battery replaced (after 12 years!) there has been no issues. I was concerned about the higher mileage so while at the local Toyota dealership I asked how much it would cost to buy a new pack. Quoted me $2600. But he said in the 27 years he had been at the dealership they had only ever ordered two replacements and one was for an accident. It's hard to beat that level of quality. And one thing that is rarely mentioned is that, especially for city driving, the hybrid battery and electric motors propel the vehicle so the ICE engine realistically only works about 65% of the time. Therefore a vehicle with 300K miles will have only about 200K on the engine.
Here's the Toyota Car Care Talk Playlist if you want to check out previous shows ua-cam.com/play/PLDXclXCM6yLcKTQfwNEToyVEmWeqWbE-j.html ... Comment with your service, repair, maintenance questions.
You guys suck. You do an 8 minute video to explain how you don't have to tell us how much it costs to replace a hybrid battery in a newer Toyota hybrid. We already know the prices in the old Prius' so we didn't watch your stupid video for that.
Not surprised your old Prius pack was twice what the real world price is for that.
So how much does the battery cost?
Change your title to: "We're two little click baitors who won't actually tell you anything about what we put in the title.
A 150,000 miles battery warranty. My last Camry went 244,000 miles before I had any repair work done outside of routine maintenance. At that point, I need to replace the catalytic converte, $600. My Camry is still on the road and just rolled over to 400,000 miles.
My Honda Pilot went just over 225,000 miles, and I spent about $2,000 on repairs.
It's far cheaper than replacing batteries.
I'll stick with gas.
Yup. Most people forgot that the money saved on hybrid is actually going for the new battery, not going into their pocket. On top of that having 2 engines means still have to maintain the ICE engine just like regular cars (oil, filter, radiator, etc).
Whereas having regular economical cars with smaller engine can still give you 30mpg at least, it's money you save.
Better skip the hybrid and jump to EV directly when the time is right.
Nope. You can't stick with gas. Go and try to find a new car without hybrid/electric. You might find some tiny Korean car with a diesel, but that is about it. I tried...
@@TechTusiast🤣🤣🤣 You didn’t try very hard, or you are lying for a reason. Which is it? Thousands of new gas only vehicles just a click away or a short drive.
@@garygolfer3243 Go ahead and buy one then...
@@TechTusiast But you said I can’t, now you say I can. I knew you were lying.
I am retired and I live in Canada. Due to our climate I would not consider a fully electric vehicle but I would consider a hybrid if I drove enough miles. I now only use my vehicle to run a few errands, get groceries, etc. and I only use maybe half of a tank of gas per month so fuel cost isn't a big part of my budget. I think that the simplicity and lower purchase price of a non-hybrid is a good choice for my situation. MY friend bought a new hybrid Camry as well a Rav 4 hybrid when he retired and he is really happy with both of his vehicles. He still drives quite a bit so the hybrid vehicles are a good choice for him. Thank you for the video!
I was doing the math also. At 10K yr for 10 yr, the hybrid only save about $1800.00 in total with vehicle cost and gas. Since retired, I am down to less than 8K yr, so I think I will get the regular RAV4 AWD in about 5 years! LOL Crazy times as I may only be able to buy non electric one last time!
you've done the right thing, hybrids are good if you drive a lot and constantly, for example you'll see Uber drivers getting crazy mileage out of original hybrid batteries. However if you are retired and do short trips a few times a week that will kill your hybrid battery much faster. Not really designed for that kind of use.
@@martinscocan5221 I did not even think about trying to use enough to keep the hybrid battery up to snuff. So the answer is definitely regular gas Rav4. Well, I hope the 2013 truck lasts 5 more years! lol
@@johnp2209 oh yes I want an acid factory under my crack while driving down the road NOT!!
Retired Canuck here too. Just want to say that it's a good idea and fun, to take it out for a good run once in a while. Lots of short runs are hard on a vehicle.
I own a 2008 Camry Hybrid and still rolling strong. All I do is change the oil and tires. The most reliable car I have ever owned.
Do you want to say you still drive on the factory installed brake pads?
@@rodrigoroaduterte9415 I would bet it is so. The Toyota hybrids usually have 200K mile life on the front pads; the rear pads hardly wear at all. My 2014 Prius will get new front pads when the weather dries out a bit. It has a bit over 200K miles on the pads already. That is typical life.
THOSE HEAVY BATTERIS ARE HARD ON BRAKES AND TIRES.
@@richardbarron8869 Regen braking does the majority of the work, that's why brakes on a Toyota hybrid last longer.
Your car is 16 years old. Is that all the maintenance you've done to your car to this day, oil change and tires?
I have the 2019 Rav4 Hybrid Limited with 96k miles and my gf has the 2012 Camry Hybrid XLE with 157k miles. We’re both seeing about 40mpg still! We love the Toyota technology and Toyota Jeff’s videos!
You are blessed! I baby my 2016 Honda Pilot and it gets 35 mpg on the interstate. Probably because it shuts down 3 cylinders when it gets up to speed. City and avg mileage is not so good, 24.7 mpg combined. I am thinking about buying a Rav 4 hybrid or a rav 4 prime. Will wait to see what the new model change looks like. The current Rav 4 is the most sought after car in the world!
First Hybrid is a 2014 Prius V. IT IS AWESOME! Next vehicle will be the RAV4 Hybrid AWD. Same MPG, but I might be losing some interior room.
This video is a rarity must-watch in the world of misinformation and dodging the important questions about EVs. 10/10 for asking and fully answering all the important questions without all the usual hot air used to cover the truth. Well done guys.
Since writing the above and reading the comments below, which I agree with, it is becoming clearer that given the time the battery has to be changed, due to the EV battery and fitting high cost, the EV resale value falls through the floor. One independent report by an EV sympathizer said it is now evident that the EV-buying public have been used as guinea pigs because the manufacturers had no background information to judge what the future of used EVs would be, which is now. The main manufacturers are now walking away from making EVs because of the inherent problems. Hydrogen seems to be the way to go but needs a lot of development before the engines have a decent autonomy of 400 to 500 miles. I have deep reservations about hydrogen reactors. In the meantime, my preferred options are some advanced petrol and diesel cars that have incredibly low particle emissions and low consumption. In my view, it is not the time to throw the internal combustion engine baby out with the bath water. Banning the sale of petrol and diesel cars will have to be scrapped and rethought.
The problem is that they fail to discuss the infrastructure problem and the fact that China owes the mines where all the battery components are.
@@kevingeier5656 The problem is some people do not want to see EV technology prosper.
the thing is this isnt an ev its a hybrid and it doesnt run the same battery tech as an ev this is Nimh where as ev is lipo4 ..... these guys got this badly wrong
@@moorefacts6605 i effing hate ev's and being an ex owner of one im happy to say that and that wh i have gone to hybrid
@@vandamonium1731 This is now a lithium battery. I have the non plug in model.
My 2014 Camry with 225,000 has had its battery replaced this summer 2023.
The cell pack, my son changed it out on a saturday. I paid $2350 and got new cells in a swap out, $750 core charge which I got back. I put in a new starting battery at the same time. Everything went as planned and I'm back to stock, it still runs great!
Some don't have a son who can change out the cell pack. But let's see how long the new battery lasts, and if it's really new.
where and how did you buy the battery?
I believe you got an aftermarket exchange pack, using refurbished cells, not new cells!
@@gdholmfirth At that price the pack is NEW. Most retailers have installation available if you don’t have some one that can doo it for you. Also they can install in your area as well. I haven’t heard of any NEW batteries not having warranties. Don’t be a hater.
@@BoomerRang11 all batteries can be bought online. Some retailers have nationwide installation if you aren’t mechanically inclined or don’t have the time.
Two years ago my GF replaced her Prius battery pack for $800, installed. It was not an OEM but worked fine for the year she had it after.
If you are buying a hybrid for long term, make sure you compare the battery replacement cost and warranty between the brands of vehicles you are shopping for. There is a huge difference between brands. I checked with a local Honda dealer in Canada and he quoted for the new CRV, the battery was around $12,000 Canadian plus labor! I would assume this is high due to a relatively new model with not many sold yet. Hopefully in time, as more are sold the price would come down. Toyota is definately a leader in hybrids with many years of manufacturing them.
Not worth to buy hybrid car.
well thats insane price. That's more than a new Gas motor and labor. I heard Prius was about $2000 for battery?
Check how much a dealership in the US would charge. It might be worth the drive.
Here is the Cost in USA (in Greenback US Dullars... 😆 😆) 8k USD$ max would be about 12k CAD&; but since we should not keep our Car (Hybrids) longer than 10 years; Warranty is 8-year by Honda. Then after 8 years we should buy a Refurbished Honda 🔋 🔋 = 2,500 USD; and when this replacement is Dying on us = it would be time to buy a New Honda Hybrid Model 2035 = C'est La Vie... It costs more nowadays to keep a vehicle longer than 12 years. Just recycle so that Jobs can be Created. Besides any Cars/SUV made in Canada gets rusted after 10 years,... haha 😂 😂 = Cost much more to treat and body Works.
In Japan an averaged Car driving about 8-10k (km) not like 20k miles annually like USA; even in Quebec, with many Public Transportation services ─ an average of 15,000 km Driving annually for Canadians living in Quebec/ or Quebecois = C'est La Vie.
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Let’s say you’re due for your hybrid car battery replacement. How much will it cost to replace? Hybrid battery replacement costs can range anywhere from $2,000 to $8,000. This will depend on the type of car you drive, the size of your battery, and other factors. Here are a few other factors to consider when contemplating your hybrid battery replacement cost:
Batteries perform the best in a stable and mild environment, so if you live in a climate with extreme temperatures, you might need to replace your battery more often.
Your car will warn you of any battery issues through its built-in warning system. So if you see new lights pop up on the dashboard, schedule your service appointment at your next convenience.
Hybrid cars are reliable and dependable, but sometimes components malfunction. While you might expect to need a hybrid car battery replacement, you might actually need another service - which is why a proper diagnosis is so crucial.
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Honda Hybrids are JUNK, their batteries are twice as expensive compared to a Toyota, Honda Hybrids fails a lot and they are bad as KIA and Hyundai
First of all, thank you Dealer Rep. for being somewhat, if not completely candid while talking about the batteries. The hybrids are usually cheaper than the all-electric vehicles when it comes to battery replacement. It's simply a smaller battery. That being said accidents do happen and batteries get damaged and warranties don't cover that. So I would suggest you find out the cost to replace a battery for the electric motor before buying one of these vehicles. It will be shocking.
I don't know about other models, but the classic Prius battery is in no danger of damage if the car is repairable; it is under the rear seat near the middle of the car.
I know of a Reputable Company selling brand NEW lithium batteries for $900 for the 2nd and 3rd Gen Prius. Not too Shocking considering what the video is telling you.
@@stveichman3329 what company is that? I need a new battery.
Yes, he was vague in giving out the answers. On a hybrid vehicle, batteries are usually much smaller.. That is what I want to find out and he did not give out the answers. I also want to know how many hybrid batteries are in the Hylander hybrid.
I wish my Toyota dealer is as caring and honest as this gentleman.
That gentleman will charge you $5k for something what usually costs $2k-$3k.
Good luck. They all abide by the dealer rule.
Don't be fooled by a UA-cam video. All dealers will fleece you given the opportunity.
@@bobsum1745🤣🤣🤣🤣 you made my day
I have a 2014 Prius with 310,000 miles with original hybrid battery still get me 49 mpg, absolutely love it. Will get a RAV4 hybrid next car. Toyota I trust
Wow, about 30k miles per year!
@@cheerry777 Not quite 100 miles per day.
That's a lie don't batteries don't last that long I used to have a hybrid they're only good for about $200,000 at the most
@@thomasreyes2857 It depends on how you drive your car. I also have a 2014 Prius with 220,000 mile and battery life is at 85%. Still netting me 44 MPG, what the car is rated at. Only 90,000 miles too catch up.
In this video the man says the dealers charge about $5,000.00 to replace the hybrid battery and they only do 1 battery replacement per month for a service center with 6,000 cars worked on per month. he doesn't seem to be aware that independent repair shops charge anywhere from $1,500.00 to $2,500.00 max depending if you get a remanufactured battery or an OEM.
So an obvious question will be how good is the warranty (and honoring the warranty) at such shops? If you get a bad/weak warranty, the savings might not be such a great deal after all.
@@rogergeyer9851 Usual hybrid battery Warranties are 3 years/45,000 miles.
@@rogergeyer9851 Most battery warranties are 12months/15,000 miles for refurbished. Or 3 years/45,000 miles for New.
A hybrid vehicle has both a gasoline engine and a battery ststem so if the battery is in need of a charge, the gas engine can charge the batterie pack and it also gives the car a power boost under acceleration but when cruising on a leavel road the battery suplies all the power too the wheels. A great system and you dont have too find a charging station every 3 or 400 miles to recharge the battey pack.
I drive a 3rd Gen 2014 Prius at 244,000 miles still running great with og battery. It did start consuming oil around 120k miles. Also had to replace entire fuel liner and pump at 200k miles. As well as replace 3 ignition coils that exploded 2 seperate times. Only replaced brake pads once and they are still good. 40 to 50 mpg daily. Taken it on several road trips and left car running overnight a couple of times
Get your priust out the way coming through
@@mattmatt6572 hopefully your car can exceed 200k miles
@@chroylikesfish it's a Toyota not hybrid so prolly be good for 500k
@@chroylikesfish My 05 Prius is currently at 489,000 miles.
What do you mean by 'left the car running overnight'?
He said his shop sees 6000 cars a month??? |Ain't NO WAY!!! if they were open 7 days a week that's 200 cars A DAY. 6 days a week is 250 per day, and 5 days a week 272 CARS PER DAY. I thought Toyota were suppose to be great cars?
A high volume center could employ as many as 20-25 technicians. So 250 cars a day probably means that these guys are taking 3 lunches.
There’s no way they see that many cars. Unless he’s counting all the cars that are driving past the dealership..
@@victormaholik594 I worked in a small volume Toyota dealership, which meant that we only had 15 service bays. This guy probably has 20 to 30 service base and can easily do that many cars.
I think he means all car brands
You’ve still got to service the vehicle regularly! Oil changes etc. Unless, of course , you’re one of those owners who drives until a warning light comes up?
I did my 2010 Prius in the front yard in 100F deg weather. Did it in 3 hours. That involved swapping out modules. Had to do some troubleshooting and modification. That took forever.
Cost about $2,240 and I got to keep my old modules to resell.
What is the actual combined voltage of the battery pack? Any good to use for solar application? Thanks.
@@DownUndaDigga maybe 235v. I'm not really sure. I have no idea about using for solar.
Ok. Thanks. Just seeing if the smashed one I have can be repurposed. 👍
So what was happening that you knew your battery needed replacement? Do you get a warning light saying it's bad or won't charge... Was the vehicle still completely driveable in full gasoline mode? Does regenerative braking stop working?
What exactly was the sequence of events and your observations would be appreciated.
@@DownUndaDiggaI would not use NiMH battery for solar, they don’t store as much as Lithium ion batteries, think about 1:4 in term of energy density, and lithium can charge and release electricity at higher rate.
That battery sure chews up your savings on your operating costs. I'm sticking with combustion.
Mee too😊
Soon all cars will be at least hybrid, gas and electric, not just gas
No in about 5 years from now. When all these degrading batteries have to be replaced by the owners for thousands this will end it.
@@michaelkuhn402 Go short on copper stocks lol. Last time I checked, there is 180 lbs of copper in each ev. 130 lbs in phev and 80 lbs in hybrids. I only have combustion now.
Can’t beat an original design😂
The new car dealerships are not seeing much battery replacements only because the customers go do the replacement elsewhere for 45 min at home address and much less cost.
Thank you so much for this, I just went from a 2006 Prius (yes the whole hybrid battery had been replaced 2014) to a 2023 Corolla Hybrid and while I felt like an expert on the Gen 2 battery, I do have a bit of a learning curve on the new batteries. Being able to get this info is so helpful for making sure I save back for future costs.
The dark underbelly of the hybrid market is the battery replacement cost. I can understand why this dealer doesn't see many hybrid battery replacements. Spending $5000 on a battery for a 10-12 year old vehicle doesn't make financial sense. Those people are going the aftermarket battery route. The hybrid battery in my 2010 Prius died at 165K miles. Battery failure is a lot more common than this dealer employee admits. Given that, I'd still buy a newer Prius, but I'd sell it before it got to the 150K mark.
If you sell it before replacing the batteries, your asking price gonna take a beating. Bad. Everyone gonna ask, if you had replaced them or not
Think of the poor EV owners when it becomes their turn to replace a battery?!… and their turn is gonna come a lot sooner too.
@@lukeclifton4392that's different. With EV you don't have to deal with oil, filter, radiator, muffler, etc associated with ICE or hybrid engines. That's already saving you money
Sell it to an uninformed person that thinks they are getting a great car. That's nice of you and stick them with the problem.
@@door2416 It's always on the buyer to do their research.
Lol, our local shop did it for $1300 and less than an hour.
Interesting, I had the hybrid battery replaced on my 2012 Toyota Camry in about an hour in 2019. Still going strong now.. Reconditioned for $1,300 here in Chicago. Yet he says that it takes 5 hours.
@@dedrickroberts8940 That sounds like a lot of time. Not familiar with the Camry access though.
Sounds like a gross over costing to me!
The dealership is going to state book hours over how long it actually takes. And its a Dealership, lots of Overhead.
5 hours???? And mine was replaced in 45 minutes. And I was on my way.
How much did it cost?
they charge 5 hr time labor
@@lunam7249 maybe at your garage....... we as a dealer dont
@@vandamonium1731 dont what? as dealer you dont replace batts? or fix batts?
@@lunam7249 charge a minimum 5 hours.. the manufacturer pays the labour on replacement warranty batteries 🤣
I have been watching "The Car Care Nut" channel. And it doesn't take 5 hours to replace the Toyota hybrid battery.
i just did also. all i need to know, how to buy a bettery if needed.
You're going to pay the Chilton (if they still use that labor estimate) rate if the dealer takes one hour or five hours.
Very true. An Indy hybrid battery shop can swap a Camry battery in an hour or so.
If a guy pulls out the Chilton BS turn around and leave. Get on the internet and look up local indy car repair shops with a 5-star Yelp rating. @@cousinfester4621
And you are not getting a new battery as implied by the dealer. It is a refurbished battery that only replaced the bad cells leaving the marginal cells in the battery to fail in short order. This happens even when it fails under warranty.
This is the most important video by far to date with hybrid cars cost…!
Adam gives his 1-year Tundra Hybrid ownership impressions ua-cam.com/video/WON968hOeBw/v-deo.html
There are MANY independent companies that will replace your hybrid battery wherever you are (home) in an hour for $1000 with warranty. Your hybrid will run like new.
Yeah but just keep in mind, the replacement batteries these companies provide are refurbished battery packs which means in those battery packs, they only replace the cells that are completely worn out and not ALL the cells. So your “new” battery back will still have some cells that are old in use, but still have some life left to them.
@k_c1429 i can get a replacement traction battery with ALL NEW CELLS for 1700 installed. Prices have gone up a little bit since i last checked a few years back. But it also has a warranty in case there are problems with the replacement
Greed at the dealer level will put them out of business especially if the dealer uses the TEAM SYSTEM where you have one knowledgeable Tech and 2 or 3 helpers that need constant baby sitters and only make 10 or 12 dollars an hour where as the customer is paying $150.00 an hour???
I would like to know why there are so many holes in the underside of that bonnet.🤷♂️
1000 to 2000 dollars buys a lot of gas.
You pay less for gas in the beginning but after sometimes you has to pay for hybrid battery for the life of car you pay the same price for gas.
My family have 7 Toyotas. Two 4unner were bought this year. We try to collect gas cars before they become turbo or hybrid. If you want a Toyota that can last long, go buy a gas engine one before they disappear. Dont buy complicate hybrid system or turbo engine Toyota.
what could go wrong, a turbo engine and a hybrid system, no thanks
Go with the naturally aspirated engine.
Toyota hybrids 12v battery does not start the engine. It boots the computers which bring the traction battery online, which then spins the engine to start.
My niece had her Toyota hybrid battery repaired, bad cells replaced, and its like new now for less than thousand as the battery has replaceable cells.
Interesting notes about this. The cost to replace a Tesla (cheapest) model 3 battery is about 14 grand. To replace the high-end Tesla is about 30-40 grand. The same for other EV-manufactured models. The Prius is different. It is a high-quality car that uses both gas and electricity. Because it does this, you can expect twice the life out of each. Prius battery replacement costs around 8 grand and the engine about 4 grand. But - because they work together and do half the work each, you should get about 250-300 k miles out of a Prius. The car itself will be valueless by the time the battery or engine needs replacement.
My 2013 Prius at 281000 miles on and still the original battery.
There’s two packages from a local hybrid battery manufacturer
1)cost you 800 for 60’000 miles with one year guarantee.
2)1650 bucks for 100’000 miles with warranty.
Any tips on what to do or not do? Maybe you can edit your original message on your driving habits and with it, tips on maintenance. Thanks
@@Goodnightandgoodluck-c7m do fully synthetic oil every 5k miles.
Change the engine and cabin filter around 25k miles.
Transmission fluid change around 40k miles.
Don’t drive harsh
@@amjadpervaiz4453Or even more often. Special care with the hybrid battery filter - clean it at least each 5k miles.
@@codincoman9019 exactly
@@codincoman9019 Especially if your dog goes for rides very often!
Taxi drivers in Manchester, U.K. drive old prius models over 300k . Some share where one driver runs it 12 hours a day and the other drives it 12 hours a night for 7 days . A replacement hybrid battery costs no more than £400 reconditioned. New things not as good as old in many ways .
There’s plenty of good independent shops knowledgeable in hybrid technology and a hell of a lot cheaper! Make sure shop is ASE certified with hybrid! Dealers labor is in ball park of $160 hr
Exactly. In the SF Bay Area here there are so many independent specialists shop who can do this. Do keep in mind that his is dealer labor price and dealer part price, they are much higher.
Rape and pillage is the dealer Matra and their end of time?@@jml9550
After 11 years and 120k miles, I have had few issues with my 2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid. I have replaced wheel-speed sensors under warranty, one set of brake pads, and one 12-volt battery, and I am on my third set of tires.
I have 15 years and 190K miles on my 2008 Camry Hybrid. Same battery!!
Should trade that and buy a real car a kia or hyundai. just kidding.
At what mileage did you replace brake pads, approximately ?
I still have original brake pads!!@@dmitripogosian5084
No!!@@codincoman9019
Hybrids first came out with a 100,000 mile warranty on the battery, which, of course, was misinterpreted to mean that the battery would definitely die at 100,000 miles. Back then, a new unit from the factory installed at a dealer was the only option and was very expensive if not covered under warranty. In the meantime, hybrid batteries have proven to have long service lives and the large number of aging hybrids has brought about many independent aftermarket companies that will rebuild or replace hybrid batteries for far less than what used to be the dealer price. There's a bunch of stuff on every car that can easily cost more to repair or replace than a Prius battery.
Good to know. Wondering how one would fare in a very hot Texas summer and autumn, cause temps here remain high even into November sometimes.
the guy is right toyota does make good cars i have a 003 cam with 174000 miles and still going strong
They make the best, that is why they have the lowest inventory of any brand. People want reliability, especially after paying $40k for a car.
Having dealer replace battery is nuts - I’ve looked up multiple companies that do replace them for brand new packs for under $3k installed mobile for 2014 Camry hybrid
they not brand new refurbished
@@hao6097 I upgraded my NiMH 2013 Camry hybrid battery to LiFe4Po technology with new lighter more efficient cells for $2700.
@@hao6097 No - that is the brand new price. Refurbs are about $2000. Those have new cells, just reused bits.
These repair costs are pretty high. 5k for an old Prius, and 7.5k for the newer models. This is the drawback of having zero price competition for parts, and also making things not easily repairable. A tragedy of the modern manufactured world which assumes every product is disposable. Toyota is not a particularly bad company, but which companies make things repairable any more? I had a Collins 75S-3C receiver; a luxury piece of electronics in 1965, and it is still repairable, because it was made to be so. Schematics were published, and you could get to every part of the mechanism. It was a different mentality back them. We need to go back to that era.
My 2007 Lexus RX 400h battery is still rolling at almost 189,000 miles. We have only had it for 2 and a half years, but no trouble. Hopefully we'll get many more miles of service out of this battery before it needs to be replaced.
Wow! No hybrid battery replacement for 16 years?!? I have only 4 years on mine and I was mentally prepared to change the hybrid battery after another 6 years (10 years since the purchase)...
I have a 2006 Lexus RX400h and have had no problem at all with the battery either. I've never had an analysis done on the power left in the battery but I assume its good since I seem to be averaging (according to the computer) around 26/27 mpg. On one trip last year I actually got to 29.9 and I was trying my best to nudge it to 30 mpg but just couldn't quite make it! I love this car. People can't believe how good it still looks inside and out. Good luck with yours!
@@deirdre108not being a wise guy but... 26 mpg?? That's not so good.
My '17 F150 with a 5.0 V8 gets 21 to 22 combined. That's calculated at the pump btw.
@@jerryjeromehawkins1712I was actually surprised it got this good of mpg considering the weight of the car-around 4500 lbs. Also I live in Washington State and do a lot of uphill and over the mountain passes travel.
Also maybe the difference of 11 years between our vehicles is a factor. I’m sure the technology improved over that time to realize more mpg.
Those are some possibilities that might explain the difference in mpg.
@@jerryjeromehawkins1712u are comparing a car 11 years older. U have no clue how much the car industry has improved on their tech? U are comparing apples to oranges.
You should talk about how the battery packs are sensitive to extreme cold and heat. Lithium ion batteries have issues
Keep your hybrid. Ill take a na engine that gets 35 on highway anyday
They are sensitive to bumps and bruises also
@@dr.eldontyrell-rosen926right on😂
On my Toyota 2009 Prius 140,000 miles, the battery and the control computer died. Total was $6,700.00. $300.00 for the 12 volt battery
😳😳😳😳😳
F*CKING $H1T MANG!😮
Was your Prius still completely driveable in full gasoline mode when this happened?
@@alsheremeta Hybrids do not have starter motors, depend on battery driven electric motor to provide starting torque needed for initial internal combustion engine start up.
2009 was the second gen batteries, they were not quite as good as the 3rd gen and later. You probably could have had that done much cheaper, with an independent shop.
Only cost me $2300 to replace the hybrid battery for a new lithium battery in my 2012 prius original lasted 220k miles
Under warranty ?
It's WAY cheaper to replace batteries, than people think.
This was not done at a dealership for sure.
Only cost ! You people are on a different plant ! Most people can't afford that 🤔. Ok if ur loaded, well off or rich ANOTHER HUGE ELECTRIC CAR CON ! for the majority of people.
@@davidtomlinson6138 $2300 isn't a lot of money to replace a battery. That's not another planet, you should have way way more than that saved up, unless you are young.
I drive my ICE cars 20+ years and never had a high cost repair on my Honda and Toyotas. My current Honda is a 2008. I like the way they talk about 10 years. He never did quote a price to replace newer system.
I think in Canada, the cost to replace the battery pack is about $8k incluidng labour. The good news is I don't know anyone who owns a Toyota hybrid has had to replace the pack yet.
Wait for it. No escape on battery failure. Cash saved on gas will be gone and you will pay more😂😂😂
Way too much money.
Thanks Jeff. This clip made me make up my mind. I’m going with ICE Cross. The added cost of hybrid and battery replacement doesn’t cover gas. 5k for battery of early gens is more than half of car value
Yup. Most people forgot that the money saved on hybrid is actually going for the new battery, not going into their pocket. On top of that having 2 engines means still have to maintain the ICE engine just like regular cars (oil, filter, radiator, etc).
Whereas having regular economical cars with smaller engine can still give you 30mpg at least, it's money you save.
Better skip the hybrid and jump to EV directly when the time is right.
The lithium batteries are not the answer to make EV's or Hybrids a viable option in the long run battery degradation starts from day one.
@@shadowbanned5164 Stop spewing FUD about EVs. Tesla batteries degrade 8% per 200k miles and their EVs last 2x-3x longer than ICE. You can degrade the batteries faster by using DC fast charging more often, though most EV owners slow charge at home at night ~90% of the time. Also some types of batteries degrade if you overcharge them beyond the 80%-90% recommendations or discharge them to 0%. And, driving an EV frequently in extreme temperatures can impact degradation as well. Just Google it to verify what I am saying rather than listening to FUD.
@@shadowbanned5164 The degradation is so low it is about the same cost wise as replacing an engine, probably less.
@@moorefacts6605 Bro....replacing an engine???....Im driving a car thats 60 years old and still running the original motor what kind of car needs an engine replacement?
I used to drive a Prius. Came up with a fault code, wasn't charging battery pack. Dealer checked and decided the battery was faulty. Upon removal, it was discovered the terminals on the leads were corroded. New leads were ordered and fitted. The battery would charge fully but occasionally this fault would appear and it would not charge, which I attribute to the corroded contacts on the HV leads, just like any battery. Finally weeks later, went to pick up the vehicle. Went to the service counter, paid the bill over $5000, then went out onto the lot and got in the car. Turned on the car and the same fault code came up that it was put into the dealer for. Returned to the counter and someone checked the car. Now you need to replace the ECU they said. Again without a car. Prius was getting around 6 litres per 100km. It wasn't long after getting the car back that Mitsubishi had discounts across the range. After years and about 6 Toyota's all good except the Hybrid, made the purchase of a Mitsubishi Outlander 2wd. Just driving carefully, the same fuel economy was achievable in the Mitsubishi Outlander. Could not be happier. Never a single issue with the Outlander 2016 model, never a fault, drove well, responsive engine, good economy, good design. Made the decision before buying the Mitsubishi, never another Toyota, never another Hybrid. All the hype, all the expense and repairs that cost as much as the car is worth nearly for fuel economy that can be achieved with a Mitsubishi SUV that is way more functional and with such low servicing costs. Hybrids are a Con.
You should have fought that with Toyota headquarters! So sorry.
It’s honestly not THAT complicated to replace a hybrid battery in say, a Prius. Plenty of tutorials on UA-cam showing you exactly what you need to do. You’ll still need to spend $2,000-$3,000 on a new battery from a reputable company but that’s still saving you a ton of money.
DYI possible. Need a 2nd person to remove and install the battery.
Thanks for sharing this. The labor costs are a big part of late model repairs.
I want to at least be able to see major common fail parts on a car I buy. If it's buried then hours of labor might be required.
$7,500 for a Tundra battery! Tells me I made the right decision going with the 2023 Tundra without the hybrid. It has more power than I need and I just towed a large John Deere Gator on a double axial trailer for the first time and the truck never felt like it had a load on it. The hybrid does not get you better gas mileage only a lot more torque and a slight increase in HP. If you need more torque then nothing beats a diesel.
um you do realise theres a 15 year warranty on the toyota battery?
And, the hybrid not only gives added torque, it definitely increases mpg.
I have a 2011 Prius, 250,000 miles on it and, knock on wood, haven’t had to replace the hybrid battery yet. Hoping the time won’t come in the next year or two, but looking at what vehicle I want next …not sure if hybrid is the route to take. I did need to replace the head gaskets about 10 months ago…that was expensive too!
Head gasket?? That’s a new one! Did they say how / why it went out??
@@lonestarlaurel There have been head gasket problems with the 2010 and a couple years later - don't know exactly how many of them. Ditto with high oil consumption even though those are not causally connected. We had a 2010 that was smashed when parked about five years ago. Now we have a 2014 that is trouble free. Just be sure to change oil every 5 k miles.
the little bit of mileage advantage of prius definitely not cost effective as compared to the 2 or 3 hundred thousand miles say a corolla engines get before major repairs...heck, you can buy a low mileage used corolla for far less than a battery replacement
200k on my 07 Lexus hybrid, OEM traction battery... still going, no major repairs... ICE version is about 10mpg less... so its cost effective for sure.
@@1jzMKIIIwait for the time bomb😂
@@rexonpadre864 been waiting for years... The car owes me nothing.
Good to hear. I was contemplating buying my wife a Hybrid, and now KNOW it would be super stupid to do so. He speaks of $5000 to replace as if it's not a big deal - WELL it is for the average American! Sad, this goes to prove that in the end, it's way better to buy a gas or diesel powered vehicle!
$5000 is a full pack replacement. Sometimes you only need to replace the faulty cells. That’s the whole point of modular packs.
@@wyw201 He ALSO spoke negatively of that ... Suggested/implied that mechanic/dealers likely WON'T do that!
@@1950Archangel SOP is to diagnose health of individual cell then decide whether the cells need to be replaced or the whole pack. If the whole pack needs to be replaced, customer is given the choice of new vs refurbished.
Drive it until the battery warrenty runs out... wont cost you anything then... If you buy a used hybrid, dont take it to the dealer that will charge you 4 times what someone else will...
@@1950Archangeldeceiving toyota guy😅
Ok. Now tell me why the 12 volt battery in my 2017 RAV4 XLE hybrid is well over $500 just for the battery? And I can’t find a single third party battery reseller that sells the same battery. What is Toyota pulling on the consumer regarding these batteries?
They are pulling the same thing all manufacturers are with the price of their parts. I would think any good AGM battery of the same dimensions would be perfectly fine. Try Interstate battery, but still probably going to be $2-300
I have a 21 chr, great car and love it but the 10 year warranty is only if you have main dealership service at £380 pounds every year even if you only do low mileage
Toyota and Honda Hybrid systems are great choices.
Years ago I was looking at the prices of used Prius's and I noticed that there were tons of the same model year with roughly about the same mileage on them for sale at the same time. I thought that was odd. Well, I think I figured why at the time. They all had mileage on them that coincided with the warranty expiration.
The Prius is pretty much the most reliable model of a very reliable brand. A lot of vehicles are leased, usually for 3 years, so there are always a lot of 3 and 4 year old vehicles of every make and model on the used car markets.
@@johnstuartsmith true. But a lot of them at the time had roughly the same mileage where the battery warranty ran out. And that's when battery life was still a big question mark. Maybe just a coincidence.
@@bubbalo3388 It's been quite a few years since Prius battery life has been much of a big question mark....
@@bubbalo3388that's why those prius is priced below value because you have to deal with the batteries sometime down the road
@@lucky889s9 i have a customer with a 1998 prius and the battery pack is still perfect, the only thing that will kill a Nimh battery is poor maintenance
I got a 2008 Toyota Prius last year and It needed a new battery. I bought it online from a dealer for $1,600 plus tax and Got another Toyota dealer to install it for like $650. I don't see why it would take 5 hours to replace it. Total was $2620
07 Camry Hybrid here … 250k miles and counting. The real shocker is the factory original 12v battery is still going strong.
The Panasonic 12v AGM batteries are absolutely fantastic. The batter in my 2012 Camry hybrid still has a full charge based on voltage. Amazing! Other brands of AGM batteries like Optima have been ‘reversed engineered’ to fail after 5-6 years or less, just like conventional 12v batteries. Optima is really crap.
We have a 2002 (gen 1) Prius that needed a traction battery rebuild two years ago at 208K miles. The first gen batteries had a service thingie (I don't think it was a recall, but a program to seal the cells where the connections met the shell). The sealant was kind of like old contact adhesive after 20 years but was removable by softening it with an oily solvent - I used Techron because it was handy.
I used a $2000 rebuild kit from Electron Hybrid Solutions because I didn't want any halfway measures. The battery weighs over 100 lbs and is not particularly convenient to get in and out. The results were terrific.
I had a coworker who's 2nd gen Prius went into limp mode at 140k miles. The owner always had Toyota do the maintenance on it. The car was 6 or 7 years old when it had this problem. I suspect it was a fan or filter problem causing the batteries to heat up that put it into limp mode . A clogged filter under the back seat is a very common cause of this problem. The Toyota dealership said it was bad batteries and charged my coworker 4,000 dollars to install a new battery pack.
Sounds like hybrids are disposable. Nice to know not to go electric or hybrid.
Obviously, most people won't do it, but go find UA-camr Chris Fix and his Prius Battery fix and replacement. If you aren't scared. If you know categorically it's the battery pack. If you have the time to take your time, it looks doable. But, that's a lot of ifs.
There are codes for the temperature sensors FWIW...
2022 toyota hybrid 61k miles so far hope i get another 4 or 5 years out of this battery @20k+ miles per year
It's seems like the more you drive it the better bc I've never had problems with the battery until I started driving less and due to cold weather!! I'm in a 2015 Camry xle hybrid..no other problems.regular oil changes and brakes.Im at 204k miles! went to have battery and charging system checked, and both said good! So in freezing temperatures, I'll be starting in the middle of the night and driving around the block.I wouldn't recommend a hybrid for snowy states bc I'm in Ga! Ive had it since 2015 and its been riding like a champ 🏆 I love my hybrid...im just wondering does it have two battery systems? The only one i see is the 12v in the trunk...Im guessing theres another under the hood?
The inverter/converter / power control unit resides under the hood - bright orange cables terminate there. The hybrid (traction) battery itself lives under the rear seat on a '15 Camry, I believe.
Auris hybrid 2010 , 260k miles and the battery is ready to go for replacement. Not fault shown yet but pending, and it will need a new one soon. Around £2000 in UK
My 2005 Corolla has 250,000 miles no major repairs just oil, brakes and tires and still runs great.
I own a 09 Camry Hybrid with the original hybrid battery with 407000 km and still has 90 percent capacity...
200k on my 07 Lexus hybrid... OEM traction battery, still going strong.
@@1jzMKIII toyota and Lexus are he very best...
Hi Martin. Where did you obtain the 90% capacity figure from? Was that info supplied as part of the dealership 'Hybrid Health Check'? Thanks.
6:18 Traction/hybrid batteries should be treated as long-term consumables. It’s not a matter of if but when they need to be replaced.
The data point from this also one dealership (if you take their anecdotes as the true data) is approx. 13 years (2010 MY and older) before they start seeing vehicles that need a replacement.
This is one dealership and not a representative sampling of hybrid vehicles. It is a limited data point and if you take this one instance as the baseline, it has a high risk of bias.
I own a 2010 Toyota Auris with a normal Prius hybrid driveline with only 60.000 miles. The battery is just fine, so nothing to worry about for now. Here, I can even buy a refurbished Hybrid battery for € 650,- or a new battery for € 1800,-. The battery in my car is also stored behind the rear seat in the trunk, so you have only remove the backrest and some panels to reach it.
Well spoken, great salesmanship!
I’m worried of any gas emission from the battery chemicals that will leak inside the car
The batteries are sealed; if they leak they will just ooze stuff like a flashlight battery that has been in the drawer too long.
@@flagmichael what I learned leakage from flashlight or other gadgets batteries are highly toxic and poisonous , it corrodes the metal surface fast
He has been trained well. When asked how much battery replacement is talk about how reliable they are and do not tell them how much it costs to replace the battery. 😂😂
Interesting, but how much you paid for the final disposition of their old batteries?
I rebuilt the battery in our 2002 Prius. The old cells went in the box the new ones came in and were sent back to the vendor with supplied labels, postage paid. The cells have valuable metals in them.
2012 Prius, 126k miles, dead battery warning. Dealer wants 4k to replace. Checking with local shop tomorrow to see if they can replace cheaper. Won't get another hybrid because of this. Before the Prius I had a 1998 Camry with 250k miles on it. No major issues or repairs.
Check out ChrisFix's video, "I Bought the Most Hated Car on the Internet" If you have muscle power to heft the battery out and back in you can save more than half that price. The company he recommends has rebuild kits from $1588 to $2738... you would probably prefer the $1588 version.
I did a gen 1 rebuild with this company's pack; except for being a retiree with no strong man to help me heft the battery around it was a simple job. The company was easy to work with.
Finally, note that the video stresses cleaning the battery cooling fan and ducts.
My 2012 Prius c battery was replaced after 180k miles. It took 20 minutes at a Walmart parking lot. Cost me 1500. I did an aftermarket and it works just fine. The reason they don’t see it, is because you would not want to pay Toyota to do it. He is totally right that the batttery and front brakes are the only thing I have done except for oil. There are interlocks, and the installers are trained. The high voltage is not that big of a problem. Don’t worry, if someone else is doing it
Are you sure if the big battery was replaced? There is no way to replace it in 20 minutes. You might mistake it with the small 12V battery. I replaced mine less than 20 minutes at $500 OEM battery and sweat
@@deplorablechump8758 All I know is the idiot lights of death were showing up on the dashboard before, and everything has worked just fine since.
@@KatsDad You cannot change the high voltage battery in 20 min, the 12v you can, easily, but $500 is insanely high for that
@@deplorablechump8758 experienced technicians can definitely do this in half an hour or so
Why in a Walmart parking lot?
With every vehicle I have owned I have never had a complete engine failure that required replacement except when I was a kid buying $50 cars that started out ready to fail. Every vehicle I have owned since then which has been about 10 or 11 has gone well over 150,000 miles without engine failure and several well over 200,000 miles that I got rid of because of rust out. I would still have my 2000 Ram with 235,000 miles in 2017 if it hadn't rusted to the point the door strikers rusted out of the vehicle and I had to tie the doors closed with rope.
Making simple things complex keeps the money flowing into the dealership.
Have a 2010 Lexus Hs250h with 220,000kms. So 13 years old. Been the most solid vehicle we've ever owned and we've had this vehicle since 2014. Almost 10 years. Just basic maintenance and a rotted muffler pipe. That's it!!!
Besides the gasoline savings, hybrids save on brakes. My brakes are still over 50% on my 2015 Prius at 110,000 miles. I am still on the original 12v battery too. Shop around if you need a hybrid battery though since an independent dealer will replace the hybrid battery in 1/2 the time (less waiting for you) and for less $$$$.
Reduced emissions from hybrids too.
My 1983 w126 Mercedes is on its third battery, will your car last 41 years and be a daily driver?nope
@@FrancisoDoncona It would cost $80,000 to replace your car with a like-kind mercedes. It would get 27 mpg and be loaded with issues from day one. A new Prius is $32,000 and gets 50+ mpg. Do the math my friend. The Toyota always comes out ahead.
Brakes don't cost very much .and last quit some time on an all Gas car. And do it yourself which is really not that difficult.
2008 Prius, 200k miles no battery replacement needed so far. I only seeing 44mpg now but mostly because I’m doing 70-80 on interstates.
I bought a new 2011 Prius and at 100,000 miles I had no problems whatsoever. I knew two guys with the same year of Prius in avionics who worked with me and they already knew what was involved, but we never had any trouble
Avionics techs have been around a lot. (It was my first career, 1970-1984.) A tech who can deal with avionics can deal with anything electronic.
Batteries are around 2000 more or less ,probably 2000 to remove ,install and re boot and calibrate the electronics. So taxes etc around 5000 dollars. What you save at the gas pump is gained on the back end replacing that battery. Oh yah forgot, the disposal fee.
You dont have to re boot or recalibrate... its plug and play... at least most toyota ones are.... Batteries are sent to facilities that Strip them down and sell the cells as storage for solor systems among many other things...
Plus higher initial cost😂😂😂😂
Great review! So I expect to pay around $5000.00 to replace the battery system on a Venza in 10+ years with over 150,000 miles on it.
If I save 700.00 a month for the next 8 years after I buy my Venza I will be able to maintain it into retirement.
Those are dealer price. Just like any mechanical work dealer price will be much higher. Independent shops who specialize in hybrid can do it and in the SF Bay Area there are so many of them since Toyota has been doing hybrid for a long long time.
@@jml9550 ok cool. thanks for the advice
If the mpg was 45 vs 30 then over a 150k mile time you'd save 1700 gals. At $3.50 a gal that's @ $6000. So you have the higher initial cost and the battery replacement cost more than eats up the gas savings. I expect insurance is also higher on a hybrid.
Preach on!🎉🎉🎉
There are more parts on hybrid so breakdown possibility is higher
What a big con EVs are, souless and expensive, a battery on four wheels, and not to mention the price everyone will be paying for the electricity, we need more alternatives.
This video is about hybrids... that is the EV alternative... WOW!
@@1jzMKIII I'm talking about EVs wow incredible that.
Seems to be some confusion between full hybrids and plug-in hybrids where some just call em' "hybrids". To me apples and oranges... Plug-ins seem to get very good milage if used as commuter say 20-40 miles a day (depending on whether you can charge at home and at work or not).
But if it turns out to be a good economical deal won't be clear until you sell it... How many would dare to buy a 10 year old Rav4 plug- in say 2030? Will there even be a new battery of the right type to buy at that time if you need to swap?
These hybrids are a great alternative to EV's!
BEV's suck. They are very polluting, hugely expensive (and is a no go if you think about the cost to replace the battery), very unreliable (last place in Consumer Reports annual vreliability survey), extremely dangerous, controllable, subsidized with our money by the Marxist states etc. Hybrids are the best of both worlds (ICE & EV).
If somebody gave me a brand new EV, I would trade it for a hybrid
@@d7895482EV or Ice. Never hybrid. More parts for maintenance, less gas saving. Why bother?
@@d7895482... but which EV for which hybrid???
Some EVs are more sports car than eco box... I don't know of any true hybrid sports cars (that are affordable).
The battery is less than $1000 US here in Mongolia, the reason they are so expensive in America is because of importation taxes
Hello there!
Thank you very much for the useful video! I'm not very familiar with the hybrid cars and honestly wasn't really interested in them until recently. I have fully committed myself to EVs, and began to think about converting retro (and not so old) ICE cars.
However after watching your video and a few others I began to think it makes sense to include in this group for conversion hybrid cars too. They are after all half electric to put it this way. For example Toyota/Lexus have some models which have powerful enough electric motors to move the car on electricity only, in this case is it possible to remove the ICE from the car and use it as electric only? Of Course battery capacity has to be increased and few other changes to be done.
My question is does it make sense for this conversion and if it does, could you please point which models are the best candidates?
Regards,
Thanks!
Well you do not see the earlier than 2010 come in to replace the battery because all of them probably go to third party shop to replace the hybrid battery/aftermarket one cost around $1500-2000 parts + labor ...yeah!
Gen 1 through Gen 4 it is the same cell and doesn't require an middle class or higher income to fix or even upgrade for that matter as diy provided one isn't disabled or has an IQ that isn't noticeably lower than room temperature. People these days spend amazing amounts of money on just simple things that could have been done for a lot less and look how expensive things have gotten in the past couple of years.
I bought a Hyundai Sonata hybrid new in 2015. Hyundai warrantied the hybrid battery for life for the original owner. When the vehicle was new, I got about 47 mpg. I now get about 39 or 40 mpg. I’m pretty sure the reason for this is because the hybrid battery is not as strong and cannot handle as much of the EV model as it did when new. This vehicle has saved me money on replacing brakes because of the regeneration system. I have over 110,000 miles on it and would have had to replace the brakes twice by now. My car looks and runs like new. Still extremely quiet with no squeaks or rattles. I’m 80 years old and have owned more than 20 vehicles. This is by far the best car I’ve ever owned.
Kind of makes the impressive mpg on hybrids… well not so impressive after all. 😬
How can you drive a Full EV through Highway 50 ? NO CHARGING POINTS ?
If you need to jump start your Hybrid car, how would you jumpstart it?
There is a dedicated area inside the fuel box in the engine bay where you connect the positive terminal, the rest is like any other car.
same as other car, you need a regular battery to start it, it does not matter if hybrid battery is charged or not.
@@KingKangUSA yes I know that. The 12v battery on our NX350h is in the trunk. To jump start it, the positive terminal is under the hood in that flip up red clip.
Sorry, a quite unrealistic comment comparing it to an I.C.E. Exactly how many times do you completely replace an internal combustion engine? More common is the procedure of replacing a single failed component. That is a whole lot cheaper.
The other challenge facing those opposed to hybrid vehicles at this time is that unlike in the past, Toyota's non-hybrid vehicles are now mostly powered by turbo-charged (rather than naturally aspirated) engines. And these engines, at the very least, require far more maintenance and change of parts due to the extreme heat they generate. With this in mind, it seems that the strategy is to push the buyers to trade in their vehicles far more frequently than in the past; sometimes out of the fear that their expensive hybrid batteries may go bad, other times out of the fear that their turbo-charged engines may require a costly repair after a few years of use.
No, they're paired with NA engine, not turbo. What model you talking about with Turbo hybrid? Turbo needs more room in the hood. If they were to increase more power, toyota would use bigger batteries. Same goes with honda, etc
Any incidents with Lithium battery fires in car or houses over the years?
The engines used in the T hybrids that I’m aware of (like the 3 cylinder 1.5 one in mine) have a reputation for being robust machines. They do not use turbo chargers, nor any rubber belts at all, no separate starter motors or alternators either. The spark plugs used are long life with no normal servicing (iridium tipped ones). Normal servicing is just routine oil and coolant replacement.
The world moves on turbos ... we call them diesels, they always had direct injection and turbocharger. You wish your car had a turbo. Cars are garbage by any metric ... fuel economy per distance, per load, maintenance required ... nothing about cars is outstanding. A turbo, a hybrid system, anything that makes them more like industrial equipment is a much needed improvement. The savings come from efficiency and less wear and tear
I will definitely take my chances with the turbo
Own a 2008 Camry Hybrid and I have owned it since new. Still running strong. You just can't beat Toyota. I have had no problems with the battery pack at all. Very little Maintenance just Gas, oil, and tires.
This video has answered most of my questions and concerns
and this is what misinformation does.. i have a diesel and a hybrid which would you have
We have a 2010 Lexus HS250h in the family fleet. Engine is notorious for eating oil so we make sure it's topped up (eats around 1 quart every 5000 miles). But her hybrid battery has been rock solid. Has 214K miles on it. Other than one brake job and the AGM battery replaced (after 12 years!) there has been no issues. I was concerned about the higher mileage so while at the local Toyota dealership I asked how much it would cost to buy a new pack. Quoted me $2600. But he said in the 27 years he had been at the dealership they had only ever ordered two replacements and one was for an accident. It's hard to beat that level of quality. And one thing that is rarely mentioned is that, especially for city driving, the hybrid battery and electric motors propel the vehicle so the ICE engine realistically only works about 65% of the time. Therefore a vehicle with 300K miles will have only about 200K on the engine.
There goes any fuel savings