Vienna Ensemble Pro Setup in Cubase - Part 1 Organization and Connections
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- In this video, I go in depth on how to setup a new VE Pro system to work in a Cubase Scoring Template. While this is aimed at Cubase, it works similarly in other DAWs.
If you need information on picking hardware for your servers as well as a guide on how to set everything up that takes place before this video starts, check out this post on my site: goo.gl/jMx7pu
This is very good to know that VEP runs smoothly and supports server OS systems. This is the first video that confirms this fact so far. Never saw anyone installed VEP on a server OS. I was a bit worried of software compatibility issues before going to the server route. Cool!
I did an upgrade from VEP5 to VEP7 and had some routing issues with v7. This video solved it. Great work. Thank you for this.
This is a really helpful video. I will say, I don't have Albion One, so half the time that you mention "Woods Ensembles", I think you're talking about a group of all of your woodwind samples. It's kind of difficult to tell when a folder is for all of your woodwinds, or just for Albion One's "Woods Ensemble". I've had to rewatch a bunch because of that. I hope that's helpful to consider for future videos. Either way, thanks for the great tutorial!
Thanks ! There's a lot of valuable explanations and you take your time to show your thinking and your methods...
Thank you for taking the time to do this video. Lots to take in but very helpful for a beginner. Thanks!
I'm glad you found it helpful! Be sure to reach out if you have any questions, and subscribe for more updates and more tutorials.
@@Coryarobbinsmusic You got it. I'm subscribing now...
Good job, maybe trim some of the fumbling around, but nice job. Also, maybe a VCA for the woods short & woods long?
Hey! Thanks very much for the feedback! Yes, you are totally right; I need to get much stronger at my editing. I'm also trying to find a workflow that is solid. I've done quite a bit of back-and-forth with myself over which is best, and I think I should just treat each upload like a short film... screen grab, into final cut, audio in pro tools / cubase, final export. As for the VCA faders. I have a few reasons for going with the normal Group channels instead. It isn't as apparent in this first tutorial, but in part 3, I go more in depth about the way I have routing setup for stems and that kind of thing. I don't have much experience with VCA, and it is a pro version only feature (at least I think), which means I would have further limited the number of people I could have helped. Again, thanks SO much for your feedback. I hope to receive more in the future!
Thank you for sharing your time and experience with us. Love your desktop background by the way!
Hi, Peter! I appreciate the comment, and you are most welcome!
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Great stuff! Well explained.
Hi,thanks for sharing your videos!! i am currently trying to build an orchestral template with VEpro7 and Cubase 10.5. i am running them on a single windows 10 desktop.
I have vepro connected correctly with it's server and with cubase.
I have created the first INSTANCE in vepro and have loaded Kontakt in it. Inside that Kontakt i have loaded several vst instruments (about8/9)
and have them all routed correctly and it all works fine. I have them routed to INSTANCE 1 MIDI IN 1. It it all set up fine and routed to the
instruments corresponding audio channels.
Now for my problem!
I created and loaded a second Kontakt within the vepro INSTANCE 1. That is all set up the same as the first Kontakt,except that with this 2nd Kontakt,
i have it routed to INSTANCE 1 MIDI IN2.Again i have loaded vst instruments in this second kontakt and have it set the same as the first one apart from
that it is going to midi in 2. Now the problem is that i have midi signals working and showing in the relevant faders but i have NO SOUND!!!!!!!!!!!
I CANNOT UNDERSTAND OR FIND/SEE WHERE THE PROBLEM IS? Ihave tried all sorts of different configurations and routing etc but i just can't get any sound
out of this second Kontakt in the VEpro Instance 1.
Any advice you could give or maybe the answer to what is wrong would be very much appreciated. Best Regards and #STAYSAFE!!
So INSTANCE 1 is the second instance? So the second KONTAKT is getting MIDI signals and the signal is showing at KONTAKT, but you can not hear it. Seems, the routing is not correct.
@@timheinrichenglish8782 Thank you for your reply Sir, you are of course correct with your analysis? It was indeed a routing problem!!!! Took me a while but i think i finally have it sorted!!!!!! But thanks again for pointing the problem out!! Much appreciated!!!
@@indyartmusic1142 You are welcome. At my channel there is one video about VE Pro. More are coming soon.
Hey there - just a suggestion. I nearly passed up this video because I did not see the word "slave" included in the title. Others might not click for that reason, or I'm wrong. Just wanted to offer that. Thanks for the in-depth video. It's appreciated. Not enough talk about the setup process.
Great Work! Thx
Hello Cory, I no it a bit old topic... this is a very good idea to use server as second system for Vienna Ensemble PRO, but I ave question, can you install Windows 10 on a server as Dell R630? if yes, do you ave to make special things for installation ? Sorry for my English, im French. 🙃Big tank!
Most helpful video thanks....
Very helpful Video :)
GREAT VIDEO MATE... THNKS!!!
I love the idea of the R710 - so cheap in comparison to other alternatives. But I'm guessing it wouldn't do too well on the DawBench VI Polyphony count test. Well, that's not fair - it would do really well for what it cost. But I'm wondering how it would do. Actually knowing how it stacks up against other options in a real-world, repeatable test would be very valuable and would help people (like me!) make decisions.... How do you feel about running those tests?
See www.scanproaudio.info/2017/10/05/first-look-at-the-intel-8700k-as-the-i7-range-gets-a-caffine-injection/
and
www.scanproaudio.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Dawbench-vi-8700k-768x398.jpg
Hmmm... Interesting idea! I'm in the middle of a project right now, but I'll try to carve out some time to check this out. I agree that it would likely be pretty great information to have!
Hi, thanks for your very useful tutorials! May I ask how you connect your server to your Cubase machine? 10Gb oder 1Gb Network?
Hello! Thanks for watching, and thanks for your comment! I'm currently connected using 1Gb connections. I've actually just purchased more bulk cable and a higher capacity switch, so they will each be connected through 4Gb aggregate switch ports. While I think 10Gb would be sweet, I don't know that it would really be a good use of money; VEPro is super efficient at just 1Gb.
Thanks for the Videos! How loud is your Dell Server Machine?
Thanks for reaching out! They are actually pretty loud. When they get going, they are about equal to a hairdryer on high. At their normal volume, they are about the same as a hairdryer on low.... You would want to have a machine room or a closet or something.
The link that you provided above leads to this: Short URL - Blocked
Use VCA faders instead of group8ng - simply link the channels
VCA Faders are great, but I honestly like using the group method fur purposes of Stemming. Signal doesn't flow through VCA faders, so I would have to have the VCA Faders as well as the Group equivalent to pull off the same thing. I'm sure that there is a case for me being wrong, but I've not yet been convinced. I would LOVE for you to show me a better way to do this. Being proved wrong only gets me closer to being good at this stuff!
Thanks. Where did you get the Windows Server OS?
Great vid! I use (with Cubase) VEPro 7 both in my PC and Dell R710 server. But when I play instruments coming from the server I hear some pops/clicks... I was wondering if the cause of that is related to the not enough fast (?) ethernet connection the server has: QLogic BCM 5709c Gigabit Ethernet. Any suggestion? Thank you!
Do both VE instances (Stand-alone and plugin) have the same settings? What about the latency / buffer size?
Tim Heinrich English Hi! Thank you! I can say that I fixed the issue... using SSDs in my server (instead of HDD). I found them on eBay (at a very good price!) and currently I am handling a +2600 tracks template. It seems it works... so far at least 😅
What about folder of individual sections of lybrary? No, i dont need them :D
Which Windows Server 2016 license did you purchase? Essential?
Hi Brent! Sorry for the crazy long delay. I've been snowed under by projects. Anyway, I am using the DataCenter edition because, as I mentioned, I am a Systems Administrator, and this is the license I use for every server... That said, it isn't at all a requirement for this. On my particular setup, Essentials would not have been an option. Essentials is capped at 64GB of RAM and only 2 CPUs. I could have used Standard, which like Data Center allows 24 TB of RAM and 512 cores. Personally, if I didn't already have the Data Center License, I would have gone with the Standard edition. Hope that helps!
How do I get Vienna ensemble pro in the instruments from cubase or digital performer?
You don't see a "VSL" folder in your plugin list? Click that and VEP should be visible.
What do you think about the SAS Hard drives vs SSD Drives?
Hi Jonathan! Thanks for taking the time to comment. Honestly, this depends on the purpose. I think, for a VEP server, you can't beat an SSD setup. We are all about minimizing latency, so every little bit of speed/performance we can squeeze out of our equipment is a major part of that. SSD's make me nervous in server applications outside of music because they have a more limited number of writes that can be made to them. Admittedly, this number is crazy high, so unless it was something like a file server for a school, it shouldn't be a big deal. For a VEP server, the information is being read on playback, not written, so this is a non-issue. SAS is still the standard in enterprise server deployments, but that is changing as more services move to cloud based SAAS, storage, and general productivity. There was a time not too long ago that companies needed a pretty decent sized server closet to handle the daily needs of the company. Now, it is possible to do everything through the cloud, while it might not be as efficient quite yet for some things.... Anyway the point of my ramblings is that a lot of enterprise locations and schools have started moving to SSD's for their server applications too. As high-write intensity applications diminish, so does the fear of drive failure. I hope I didn't stray too far away from why you were asking! Thanks again for reaching out!
@@Coryarobbinsmusic Thanks for that super kind and precise answer!! Cheers from France!!
could somebody explain to me when it is necessary to change midi ports? I have a very small template and I am using the same port for each instance of VE...but I really don't know what the ports do. Tried looking it up but I can't figure it out. Do you only need to use ports if you have a ton a tracks in the same instrument category? Thank you
Hello, elkwolf! So sorry for the slow reply time! I'm not sure if you are talking about the ports inside of cubase or the ports inside of the server when you inside Kontakt or whatever sampler you are using. If you mean the former, you use a different port each time you add a new instance of a sampler , so for instance, I'll have a "Brass" instance in VE Pro, and my first instance of Kontakt will be on port 1 (it defaults to all, so you have to change it). I'll fill that instance of Kontakt with some logical grouping of instruments, say Solo Trumpet articulations. I'll put each articulation on a separate port A midi channel until I get to 16, and then that will facilitate the need to move to a new instance of Kontakt. For my second instance, I'll call it something like "Trumpet a2 Articulations," and I'll set the port to 2... etc... Doing it this way, my brass instance can have my full brass section, and I don't have to have a crazy number of VE Pro Instances. When you launch a project, at least for me, cubase pauses at the end of each instance while it connects to the next VE Pro instance in the chain. Keeping the number of VEP instances to a minimum decreases that load time. I hope that answers your question!
Cory A. Robbins Music hi, thank you very much for your answer. It’s clear!
Can I hook the server to my Mac?
Wow ur on mac nvm haha
Haha! No worries. I'm on a mac right now, but I'm actually looking into PC equipment because Cubase isn't working as well on my Mac as I would like. There are several issues with the GUI lagging, and I have finally gotten to a point that I'm asking more of the machine than it can handle, even with offloading the virtual instruments to VE Pro. Anyway.... Thanks for reaching out, I hope you found this series helpful!