Composing Secrets 🎵 How to Setup Vienna Ensemble Pro for Music Production
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- On this episode, I will introduce you to the wonderful program, VEP, or Vienna Ensemble Pro. This was and still is a gamechanger to the composing world of virtual instruments. I will show you how it works and how to set it up properly. When I first started, there wasn't a tutorial on how to get started so I thought it would be helpful to walk you through the steps.
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this is the only video that shows u how to route correctly
Glad to have helped! Good luck setting up the rest of your template
Josh, Thank you for your step by step approach to training. It is so much more intuitive and easier to follow than the manufacturer’s tutorials. Theirs left me completely frustrated. VEP7 is a great program and it has taken the burden off my DAW audio performance and has stream lined my composing/production process. Thanks for bringing clarity. Kudos!
Nice work Josh! Makes me want to get back in to composing!
You mentioning setting that MIDI channel to "ALL" saved me. I spent about 5 minutes on an issue before I remembered you saying that, and it all started working.
Glad to have helped you brotha!
man, you're the best! I've watched five other tutorials but yours was the clearest! Thank you so much!)
Hey my pleasure! Good luck and have fun!
@far ema Id love to, but sadly we are under covid19 siege, so I have to put up with my laptop and win7😛
Brilliant. Thank you for sharing your time and experience with us. Much appreciated.
Hey, my pleasure! Hope that helps you in your template setup.
@@SohnCompositions My journey has just begun. So every little helps. I managed to setup a master / slave scenario using the VEPRO 7 demo which is pretty special. Keep up the great work. Looking forward to more quality tutorials from you. Peter. BTW, listening to your spotify material as I type. Sweet!
Great many thanks for this. Have been thinking about getting Vienna Ensemble Pro for some time but was somewhat confused as to how to intergrate it. I'm much clearer now so will go and purchase the product. Organisation and good naming strategy is clearly very important.
Hey you're welcome! Good luck with it!
New user here, and. I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to do this!
Great, jm glad to have helped!
thanks for doing this.
i've used VEP for a while, mostly with VSL and Kontakt - game changer!
i JUST bought EW HW Orch Diamond, i am slowly going through the manuals.
What an amazing set of instruments!!!
Your video showed me something SO basic that i missed, you can ADD patches inside Play 6 and assign them to different midi channels.
simple, i know.
But i was treating Play 6 like Vienna Instruments Pro 2, a single channel player.
THANK YOU!
I'm glad that it helped! Yeah I was blown away by the idea years ago when one of my mentors Lisle Moore showed me his setup. I didn't even know that it was a possibility back then
太棒了！你真伟大！
Thank you! 谢谢你
Great tutorial! thanks for the detailed infos. I'm thinking of set it up using a macbook with a pc. Do you know if thunderbolt 3 works instead of using a ethernet cable? thanks
Good question.... I don't believe that you can but I've read that you can do a Peer to Peer network connection on Thunderbolt 3. 40Gbps is far superious than 1Gbps on a standard ethernet. Try asking VEP tech support to see if it's possible. That would be amazing!
Thank you so much to help people.
With VEP7 I always have a question.
Let’s say I have 5 parts of strings and I would like to control them all AT THE SAME TIME with modwheel CC1 after recording them. What is the process, please ? Thanks
Sorry for the late reply! I didn't your question till now. It depends on the DAW, but in Cubase you would need to arm all 5 tracks and select those 5 by holding down Shift.
Very impressed! You appear as hungry as I was at you age. Keep it up.
Thanks James! 31 and going strong. I couldnt help notice the marketability of your last name. Your last name is perfect for this line of work. It has a nice ring to it. Craft Music. "Crafting the art of music."
Sohn Compositions Trust me, it’s been used. My father purchased Mastercraft in 1985 which was a mastering lab in Memphis, TN (it was named Mastercraft prior to our becoming involved). We did Stax, Al Green and the rest of Hi Records. I came here interested in Vienna Ensemble Pro as I just purchased it for a new recording PC I built (what I do these days). You seem to be very thorough in your knowledge of it.
Thank you! You are really good at teaching :D But I have one question. Do I have to load corresponding vsts on vsl everytime I open up different projects? For example, if I want to open up a project consisted of 1 action strike, 1 studio snare and one Alicia Keys, do I have to load those three vsts and route them everytime I open that project?
Well, all you need to do is load it up once on VEP and it will always be there. To avoid always routing the MIDI and audio channel from your DAW to VEP, save the session as a template. That way when you load a new project, load it up as a new template in your DAW and your session will have all go the routing in place with VEP
muchas gracias Josh... ahora todo sera mas facil con Vep... gracias!!!
De nada amigo
hablas español amigo?
yo tb soy compositor y realmente necesito saber como puedo pasar todos mis instrumentos a Vep pq es lo mejor para los que trabajamos para televisión film etc..
@@gabrield.cstoica1832 Hey Gabriel, I barely speak Spanish my friend. I'm glad you found the video useful. Is there something specific that you need help on that is on in the video? =)
hi very good explanation for the link between cubase and Vep7. but how can you drive CC# from cubase to Vep7... how do you link them ... via 8 direct controllers per track ???? do you have a video about it ?
Driving CC# data from your faders into VEP7 isn't a problem. It works the same if you were to do it in through natively in Cubase compared to Cubase & VEP. Are you using a different fader board? As long as the fader board you use is set globally to the armed midi track, then it should work fine.
I was about to set up the Full BBC SO Pro in VE PRo 7 when I found a Cubase file with everything already set up. Can you do this backwards so that VE Pro 7 populates using Cubase information?
Yes, first try this... have a blank session of the VEP Server (64 bit) open BEFORE opening the Cubase session. It should autopopulate if that Cubase session was created properly with the instance "Coupled"
it is interesting to know if you can use all the instruments through the program correctly Ensemble Pro
Yes, I haven't had any issues on my end.
Hi there, thanks for the video it was very informative! What pc are you using to be able to use that huge template? Also, does Vienna Ensemble help with having less buffering even if I’m running my instruments on one pc (don’t have a slave pc). Thanks!
Hey Daniel, I think it helps to have at least an 8-core processor within 10-15 years of when it was built. I'm running an older 8-core Xeon workstation with 64 GB ram. You can do it all on one PC, but I don't think it helps with buffering as much as being able to switch in and out of sessions quickly without having the huge load times. Hope that helps!
@@SohnCompositions awesome, thank you!
Can you start up your servers fresh daily and just deal with the load times that way? I don't want to run them 24/7. Thanks!
Yes, you can do that. :) I think it would be good to do that anyways since then the RAM refreshes and stays optimal.
18:05 How much RAM does VEP use while loaded with that entire template worth of instruments?
About 54 GB
Hi, great video!!! I have just got hold of VEPRO 7 and am currently building my orchestral template. I am using vepro with cubase pro 10.5. I have a quick question if you don't mind? I have vepro set up in this way, all my instruments i have loaded in vepro (instances!!) are routed to a separate bus. Each single instrument has its own bus !! then i have routed all those individual busses back into cubase to individual audio tracks!! Basic example........ VIOLINS 1 (VEPRO INSTANCE 1 MIDI IN 1)-------- VIOLINS 1 BUS(VEPRO)------------VIOLINS1 AUDIO CHANNEL/TRACK (CUBASE OUTPUT 1/2). My question is that when i have done all my recording and am ready to do a fianl mixdown, how does this work with vepro? How do i mixdown with vepro in a way that the mixdown goes to the individual audio channel tracks that i have already set in cubase????
I am totally new to vepro so tbh i am not sure about how to do this? Man y thanks for any advice or help you can give!! Best regards. #STAY SAFE
Hey IndyArt, I would have to see what's going on in more detail. Want to meet up briefly over video conference? Email me at lessons@sohncompositions.com.
Great video! what where your computer specs at this time?
So I'm using a 16 (8 physical 8 virtual) core Xeon Workstation with 64 GB RAM and 2 TB SSD Raid 0 for the sample drive. It's a little older but it gets the job done. With it on full load, it can spike a bit so I'll need to upgrade in a year or two once I get more samples.
Cool stuff! Josh, is that a VE Pro setup for one computer, or you have a slave also? Thx!
Hi, at the time, this was for one computer. However, since then, I've graduated on to having VEP load on a secondary. The concepts are the same... the only difference is that you have to route the VEPro plugin in the DAW to the correct IP address.
Nice, thanks for the input and info. Happy composing!
So I can use it with one computer and still enjoy better CPU performance? Am I getting this right? I ask because I only have a Macbook pro. Thanks!
Hey Jeffrey, yes you can use it with one computer which is useful when you're switching between different sessions that use the same set of samples (for film scoring especially). You can also do a hybrid and have the majority of your samples on VEP while having a small set of VST tracks inside of your DAW as well.
So what are those other vienna ensembles for? Are they actually useful or are do they never get used?
Are you talking about VST plugins? If so, some of them are for loading on the slave computers if you networking your computers together to work as one unit. There's another for Vienna Ensemble Player which is like Kontakt but with native VSL sample libraries.
if you use Vienna Ensemble, do you have to use different midi channels for articulations or can you use articulation sets as well?
You can do both. If you plan to load one patch that has multi-articulations via keyswitches, then that would be one midi channel inside of VEP. If you do single articulations per patch then that would be one midi channel per patch.
@@SohnCompositions ah awesome thanks! seems pretty intuitive then, will give it a try
Joshua - Do you run VEPro and Cubase on the same physical PC?
Yes. The reason is it makes switching between sessions much quicker especially if I'm working on the film.
Thanks a lot for that. One problem, though : at 11:02, you zoom in and then you stay zoomed in during the following explanation and so we miss the action. I got a little lost, there...
Yep you're right. Sorry, I noticed that too much later after wrapping up. What I do on the right side was change the name from "Vienna Ensemble Pro" default namr to "Strings" and "Percussion" in the VST rack. On the left hand side, I made sure the midi tracks were I the correct midi ports.
Ho Josh. How did you install PLAY plugin within VEPRO? I cannot insert plugin in Instance. I really appreciate your support.
Hmm, i think your PLAY .dll file needs to be loaded in the VEP settings. VEP does not support VST3 plugins, so you'll need to load in the VST2 version of Play (.dll file) which you'll need to find somewhere in your hard drive folder. In Windows, it's usually in the VST plugins folder (64 bit) I believe. If not, try to find the VST2 and point the directory into the VEP plugins settings.
Sohn Compositions Thank you Josh.
Hi! thank you for this video!
how come your computer doesnt crash if all the libraries are already loaded and you have immediate access to each one of them?
Is that something VEP does? Having everything loaded and somehow not affecting CPU/RAM? I am curious about this. haha Thanks!
It will have cpu/ram affect on the computer. But the DAW is free of resources as VEP is handling that, yeah? So people also host a VEP on another system, this way zero resources are used on your main system aka host. These remote systems are called slaves and can be windows or Mac.
@@MusicZeroOne I see! allright allright. So you, particularly, have a second computer with Ensemble Pro and all the libraries loaded, and your DAW is at another computer. I guess.
Thank you!!!
@@greenprpl3996 No problem :)
I tryed VE Pro (demo) with Cubase 12 pro, but the sound is horrible and the latency too!!! There is a hope? And if it will solve, I have one question: I had a look of this software because I canot purge the RAM of VST instruments loaded in rack mode, so I canot build an orchestral template with cubase. It is possible to purge easly RAm vith VE Pro?
There is a way to turn on and off VST's in VE Pro through Cubase using the automation panel in VE Pro. I wish I had time to make a video on this subject with my new workflow... however, in the meantime here's a video link to Guy Rowland's tutorial in case you're curious:
pt. 1 ua-cam.com/video/FcW3Iivm3dQ/v-deo.html
pt. 2 ua-cam.com/video/p0f4kVzzwL8/v-deo.html
pt. 3 ua-cam.com/video/4i6tq1OgCzQ/v-deo.html
@@SohnCompositions Thanks!
@@SohnCompositions Thanks, I hope you will do. I canot understain american slang speaking.
Is it possible to open Kontakt in the DAW ? or must it always be through VEP?
Yes, you can load some VST's inside of the DAW too as a hybrid type of setup. I'd recommend offloading most of your VST's inside of VEP, then allot some of the cores in the Preferences of VEP so that there are some cores left over for Cubase to take over.
@@SohnCompositions do you know if there is an alternative software? Why doesn't steinberg or native instruments noy have something like this ?
@@thekingsown10 the only Daw that I know of that has something similar is Digital Performer. But I'm so invested in Steinberg stuff and has everything that I need. But DP is worth looking into
Noob question... what's the difference between Vienna Instruments vs Vienna Ensemble Pro? Is there any advantage to using VEP?
Vienna Instruments is their sampler instrument player, (think of Kontakt). Vienna Ensemble Pro is a VST host that acts more like Bidule that will enable you to slave many computers together as a network.
@@SohnCompositions Thanks :)
This is great but I'm lost, I was with you for the first 3 min...then again, I'm have cubase 10 / Windows 10 issues and missing content maybe that's why I'm lost. And Steinberg doesn't know how to fix it.
Hey Charles, if you need more help, I'm happy to assist. Hit me up through email. sohncompositions@gmail.com and we could set up a time to talk
This video brings me a bit closer to making this work properly. However, it's still quite confusing. Can anyone recommend a more detailed step by step, with thorough explanations of each step? For example, I notice you do not talk about how the VEPro 7 manual states that integrating VEPro within each DAW is unique. The manual states Cubase users must add VEPro as a rack instrument. What really confuses me, is why are you adding multiple plugins on a single plug in channel?
Adding multiple patches inside one instance of PLAY or Kontakt is one method that I chose to make things less cluttered and have it all fit inside of an output channel for a single instrument voice like an oboe (i.e. oboe sus, oboe stacc, oboe trills etc.). If you need any help, then I can teach private lessons on this subject. Hit me up if you're interested.
you skept how to put plugins and instruments
I'm sorry? There are VST instruments that are loaded into VEP such as the Action strikes percussion. Is there something specific you were looking for?
@@SohnCompositions I guess what I was trying to say is that I was looking the way to load the vst instruments into VEP
@@LordJersyBizarre Ah I see, in that case, you'll need to point the plugin directories into VEP through the Preferences page. Make sure to find all of them including the ones in your Program Files (for Windows) folder and abroad.