Triumph Speed 400 vs Scrambler 400 X: Which I'd Buy!
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- Опубліковано 26 бер 2024
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Hello everyone, I bought myself a Speed 400. I ordered it back in January without even trying a test drive, although I was very skeptical about this model, telling myself it was "nothing special." Within two days, I rode more than 400km and can now say what I personally like and what I don't. The engine is impressive in city traffic, the front brakes are very good. The chassis is also very good. The assembly quality is excellent. On the downside, it's hard to read the engine revs on the instrument panel, but such power may not be essential for a motorcycle. The first gear is especially short, and if you're riding at low speeds in the first three gears, you feel some jerking. I haven't gone over 100km/h, but from the engine sound, it feels like it's the most comfortable ride, though it can go much faster, but the engine starts to strain. Overall, it's a very good motorcycle, and I don't regret buying it at all.
The 1st gear is ridiculously low - suitable only for mountain climbing in my opinion. 😊
Thanks for the feedback. Any heating issue in this bike? I heard the fan kicks in very fast and lot of heat is there? Is this happening to your bike as well? TIA
I'm so on the verge of buying the Speed. It looks like so much bike for the money. It looks like smiles per mile.
Go test ride it. I think you'll fall in love with the speed 🙂 happy riding.
I am going with scrambler😂
@@manoj1350 That's what I love about motorcycling, no wrong answers.
Speed doesn't have road presence.
Go ahead with the purchase, I've had it for the past 8 months now, done 10k kms. Absolutely blissful.
Thank you for not using the condescending term ‘beginner bike’ as most reviewers do for anything under 800cc.
I’ve been riding for decades and really fancy getting this bike.
It seems a hoot.
Totally agree! Especially here in the states, not only do people look down on a lower capacity engine but anything that's not a Harley lol. I happen to own a Low Rider ST and commute on it every single day, but I'm looking at this bike and the Scrambler 400 as possible secondary bikes for bad weather days and just to have some fun. Great looking bikes for the price
Yeah, I cringe on beginner bike statements. My last three bikes were 150, 350 and 200. I still keep my 1200 for long distance touring at high speed.
Finally someone agrees. "Beginner bike" phrase gets used I think because particularly men think a smaller bike = smaller peepee. They always want bigger and louder. This is why I don't go to showrooms as I'd be asking for small and the quietest bikes, not bigger and louder.
I agree as well, recently went from the 690 enduro to a 300l and now considering downsizing from my f800gs to something smaller, like a 500cc, so as they say what goes up most come down.
Exactly! Ive been riding for about 12 years and I just love small bore bikes. Between the price and the fact that Im mostly in town they just make sense. I will always prefer to ride a slow bike fast vs having to 1/4 throttle because Im in traffic or on inner city streets.
What I love are the people that say, These arent make for the American market. Do you know how big the US is???? Do you know how many different conditions there are???? To me it sounds like people that are just trying to justify their overpriced purchase.
I'm just under 6.2 and I tried the 400x and liked it but it just didn't feel right,,,, as soon as I rode the speed it felt instantly better all round. I've placed an order and hopefully arrives in May. Don't let your height put you off trying the speed. Roll on May
Congratulations brother
Slow-mo pigeon at 4:48 steals the show
Had to go back and 🤣
Was looking for the comment 😂😂😂
Looking SUS AF. 😝
🐦 🤣🤣🤣 👏
LOL ! brilliant, I'd missed that !
I’m an old experienced biker and tried both of them. They’re both great but for me the Speed was the pick of the two and suits the sort of riding I do. I’m 5’10”. I liked it so much I traded in my Bonneville T120 - I don’t need the power and I certainly don’t need the extra 60kg weight anymore.
I agree. The Speed is the better of the two. Nice analysis👍
I'm 6'2 and preordered the scrambler, but I ended up switching to the Speed as the better handling won me over and I will be doing 99% on-road riding 🙂 Did a 3-hour roundtrip today with no issues or need to stretch.
Can I ask your weight also,I'm the same height but heavy too and love the look of the Speed.
@@howardneely2573 114kg
I am 5"10 and I was thinking I would be too tall for the speed.
@@ravenpillay it will be perfect
Still happy with your decision? I'm just shy of 6'2 and a bit concerned it'll feel like a toy
I’ve had my speed 400 for 2 months now and I have used it for all types of roads including spaghetti junction and the M6 and it’s been flawless , a fantastic bike and rather than red I have the best colour Blue 😉
At £600 difference I reckon the right one to buy is the one you prefer.
Me, I'd get the green Scrambler.😊
Already bought the Speed 400 and loving it to bits. Amazing bike for the price - does everything I need it to do and delivers a big smile every ride.
SO much to say about this! (though annoyingly I see I’m near the 200th comment already so you might not see it!)
I bought the 400x (yes in the green sway).
I own the Street (aka Speed now) Twin 900 too.
Firstly let me explain my reasons for getting the 400 X .
I’m freakishly tall…at 176cm…yes Rob..a whole ONE centimetre taller than you (I remember towering over you at the bar at that promo event at Bike Shed a few years back 😂)…
So in actual fact, you’re totally correct…you need to be 180cm + (5’11) to really be able to chuck it round in the way you should..
I currently live on a hill with the bike parked on the narrow road outside with a steep camber on it so setting off and returning is always a heart in the mouth moment for me and probably somewhat entertaining for anyone looking out the window …
So why did I get it?
Three reasons covering practicality, aesthetics and ego..
1. I live on the south coast in Sussex with roads so potholed they make the moon look like a millpond so the suspension and higher Clearance along with the handling great for soaking these up.
2. It looks the nuts….
3. I like many men am not as tall as I would like to be (180cm would be ideal but without a mediaeval torture rack, it’s not gonna happen). I think perhaps that in my sad little head by owning the X I somehow feel taller… despite the clear evidence to the contrary illustrated by the comical display of me trying to put it on its side stand while I’m on a hill… And I know there are a lot of blokes of my height and smaller and owners of monsters such as the GS that know exactly what I’m talking about….
Now…. that final twist of the knife comment about the 900.! Et tu Brute? 😂 Stumbling across your just-posted video on your street twin 900 way back when, was a large factor in me purchasing mine!!! I don’t regret it for a moment, absolutely love that Bike and when we finally move into the forever home next month and I get the Garage I’ve been waiting on for three years I will be adding all the delicious modifications I have ready for it! This is basically to make it like the speed 400 you’ve just recommended above somewhat ironically!!! Obviously that wasn’t available at the time otherwise I think I probably would have bought it. However, hopefully what I’m going to end up with here is one bike that makes me feel tall and is good for the country roads around here and another Bike I can Wrench on and get to be my own individual more powerful vision of the one above. Thanks as always, mate. ✊🏼
Picking up my Black 400 speed on Friday😊😊😊
Me saturday 😊
I pick up a black too.
Speed over Scrambler for sure. Better brakes and better tyres are all the reason you need. Throwing in lighter and cheaper are 2 massive bonuses too.
I've just bought a Speed and love it. Did a hundred mile ride first time out and it didn't tire me in any way. Looking forward to some decent weather now!
Buy both, problem solved 😂. Honestly, biker should have more than one bike 💪
I’m quite interested in the Speed 400 and keep looking at reviews. This is definitely the best review I’ve seen 😊
Hello. I have purchased a Speed 400 and now done 475 miles on it. I test rode a number of smaller capacity bikes including the Scrambler 400x and the Speed 400 was the one for all the reasons Motobob describes and more. Thanks
Hi Bob, as someone who has also tested both versions, i`ve ordered the Speed 400. The Scrambler is excellent, comfortable and stable, BUT, i found the extra seat height slightly worrying when i`m used to having both feet flat on the floor, with a bend at the knee. Sitting on the scrambler, i could`nt get both feet flat on the floor, and when stopping at a roundabout, that initial "where`s the ground" feeling was a bit scary, albeit for a second or 2, and i`m sure, when you`ve ridden the bike a few times, you`d soon adapt to it. Also, i found the Scrambler brakes not as good, with good initial bite, but very little in reserve, but again, i think you would soon adapt to it. But for me, for my style of riding, and my local riding area, the Speed 400 is more nimble and flickable, through tight and twisty Dorset back lanes, along with the New Forest.
I`ve been googling Speed 400 accessories, and have already found a belly pan, and tail tidy. The one thing i would like which is not on the standard bike, is span adjustable levers, i think for an extra £100 on the price, they could be standard equipment.
I have ordered the Speed 400 in black a couple weeks ago, can't wait to get it. 🙂
im a 6'4''' and just picked up the scrambler! Im loving it so far!!
Took the Speed 400 for a test ride and couldn’t get off it, did everything perfectly… even up to the ‘ton’… I’ve owned over fifty motorcycles over my lifetime and this wee Triumph ticks all the boxes, and I have a new red Speed 400 arriving next week..❣️
A week ago I went to a dealer to check out riding positions for the Morini Seiemmezzo STR and SCR. I didn't ride them, but although I think the SCR looks better, I found myself wanting the STR for the same reasons you mentioned above. Plus I feel the riding position on the STR would allow me to load the front better on fast riding around corners, and manage the weight better on slow speeds (it is a heavy bike. I am 1.82cm so both bikes were ok). Couple days ago I decided to go for the STR and your video confirms my thoughts are valid.
I preferred the scrambler taking delivery in 3 days I'm 5 8 so tip toeing but it is much more practical, speed is good but scrambler is much more comfortable for a single bike garage.
Cruising, commuting, A roads B roads C roads can do it all plus some rough and rocky patches too.
A common scene in India
Great perspective on those two.
As a taller rider, it seems that the Scrambler is for me. But I'm a road rider, so my first set of replacement tyres would be road tyres. And I'd fit a Pyramid Plastics 'Fenda Extenda' to keep the radiator as clean as possible. Having said that, I'm not in the market for another bike, but a big thumbs up to Triumph & Bajaj for a great looking bike.
Cool video, totally agree.
Just got the CL500 Honda and love it.
Greetings from the NJ shore USA.
Now that's a bike that really surprised me. I rented one. Great bike
Theres one n just one reason i wouldnt buy that bike, the tedious exaust
Got the Speedo Angels on my KTM.. perfect fit and keeps my piece of mind 👍🏽
Tried the 400 scrambler a month and a half ago and I liked it a lot. However, I am 5" 7, and I think that the Speed might be the best choice. The price difference is substantial too. Less seat hight, less weight, less price...
Great video. Although their are different bikes and engine, I hésite between the Speed 400 and the Royal Enfield continental GT650
Finally received my 400x in the states about a week ago and I am loving it. You can't go wrong with either of these bikes. Handles very well and is just a fun bike to ride...even though it's still in the break in period. I do feel like the brakes could use a little more stopping power so the Speed may be better off there. I'm sure the seat is nicer as well. Scrambler's is a little stiff and very "slidey"/smooth.
I’ve just taken delivery of a Scrambler, which I am delighted with. I’m also only 5’9”, but I do have a 32” inside leg, so can flat-foot it no problem.
I dig your reviews man. I'm shooting for the Speed 400, my first MC coming from the scooter world. Currently on a BV 400 that would be hard to give up as she does just about anything in super comfort. Cheers from California 🤙🤙
Keep the BV400 scooter. You cant have too many toys. I now have 7 motorcycles & one scooter..... one of the best... a Honda Helix 250.
I love both of these bikes and appreciate this review! I know you've also raved about the Trident 660 which does seem like an excellent bike, but for "smallish" in town bike, maybe the speed 400 even better buy than the Trident, thoughts?
I took delivery of my red Speed 400 yesterday and am loving it. Everything works well & I have only two very minor "nitpicks" which no one has mentioned so far: 1. The speedometer is very optimistic and mine seems to be reading close to 10 mph faster than actual speed (not a big deal to an experienced rider). 2. The locking mechanism on the seat does not want to fully lock in place even when pushing the seat down forcefully. Mine may be unique & require further investigation, but again not a really big problem. I put ~10 miles on it during my demo ride over a week ago and added another 31 miles yesterday. Windshield should be delivered tomorrow, and for a tiny bit of luggage capacity I added a small top case zip-tied to the rear of the seat yesterday. Has anyone else noticed the optimistic speedometer reading?
I'm 6feet tall and I love my Speed 400. The handling is superb, sound is sweet and it looks amazing as well.
I bought the speed 400 in black colour and I love it.
3:15 absolutely ! I'm 6+, I guess that's why scrambler seems more attractive to me
I'm 5'10" ,and a man ,so the scrambler is right for me 😃.
@@leeinwis have a test ride and take some pictures while you are riding or standing still for Better understanding of it's riding difficulty for your height and how it looks according to height/size of this bike as compared to you.
Great little bike. I'd love to see someone put some Pirelli MT60 RS tyres on it, and see how it went. Only negative for me were the foot pegs were too close to the rear foot pegs, as I kept hitting them.
Got my speed 2 weeks ago and I’ve been waiting to see if you would make a video on it!
Bang on the buck. The speed 400 is perfect for daily commuters. At the price point it makes a sensibly buy with loads of features and Triumph DNA. Loved It, Owned it Riding & Enjoying it.
Great insight thanks. Any chance of a comparison of shaft drive bike options. I hate chains. Thanks
On bikes like these, I don't think it's your height. It's your inseam actually it's always your inseam. I'm 5'10 or at least I used to be and I have a 29 inch inseam. I bought the speed 400. I've had it for 2 weeks now and absolutely love it! I can flat foot. It very comfortable fun to throw around in the corners. It is an excellent motorcycle. You're not going to get anything better for the money. Just thought I'd throw in my two cents. Thanks for the video 🙂
Trying to find my first bike, watched this for the review and then realised I’m probably booked in on this exact bike for a test ride in bristol soon!
Can you get 17in knobbies? Most people dont go fast enough off-road to require all that suspension, or they use a proper duel sport. The 9kg weight saving helps too.
Congrats Bob, I like this bike. very cool.
I like the speed over the scrambler , and reference extras lots of firms are doing them now and instead of oem items I priced them up and their up to 20% cheaper , I’ve got a triumph tiger 660 sport and got a motech pro tank bag , saw it with the triumph logo in my local dealers £50 more ridiculous, shop around 😊👍👍
Regarding the difference in braking performance, I’m assuming the braking on the scram version is softer for when riding off road, I have read that if you just swap the pads out of the scram to the same as in the speed then the braking improves as it’s down to the material of the pads
Test rode both and found that though the speed 400 is the more fun on road there isn't enough road left to enjoy it. The 400X light off-road ability is just right for our Edinburgh roads so would be my choice.
It isnt enough road left?
These are so good looking. I definitely would have gotten the Speed if It was available when I got my first bike.
Agree with you completely the speed 400 is great as I have had the speed 900 before
Me.1,92cm, got the Speed 400. Love it!
I saw one channel not recommend either because there’s no aftermarket parts. I was comparing the Speed (my preference) to the new Honda SCL500. What’s the opinion of the Speed on the highway?
I ride a 23 Honda CB300R and I think it's a great bike. Really smooth between 40 and 60 mph, I do like the look of this though, what puts me off buying is the possible reliability, are they reliable?
Ottima recensione. Per la mia altezza 168 cm con gambe non tanto lunghe avrei preferito una sella ancora più bassa, magari di 77 cm . Ma al momento per prezzo / qualità /altezza sella , mi sembra la più adatta a me. Hai provato la KTM 390 nuova? si può avere un confronto? Grazie
I'mm going to need a Vitpilen 401 vs Speed 400 test! Maybe also a Svartpilen 401 vs Scrambler 400x too!
I was considering one of these for my first bike but fell in love with the new Rocket 3 so bought that instead
I’m still debating if I want to trade my 310gs for one. Maybe if they come out with a tiger 400 adv bike. That would seal it for me.
Really good comparison. I definitely prefer the looks of the X but it's probably too tall for me. If I downsize from my T100 the Speed would be a serious contender.
thank you for noticing my comment & making this video..
Hey Bob, greetings from New Delhi, India. I'm exactly your height and I too picked up a Speed 400 over the Scramler. Just back from a 3000km/5day trip, the only 'sore' point I have with the bike is the seat. It isn't half as comfortable as my Meteor 350 with RE touring seats. Performance wise, this leaves the RE standing. Contemplating a NX500 next...wise?
How smooth is the single cylinder motor? Can you feel vibration through your hands or feet?
I’m looking for a likewise jacket as the black one you’re wearing in the video. Any hints please?
I have to say Speed looks really amazing in comparison to any other bikes in its category but the vibrations are real and can’t ignore
Any chance you can do an update review of the 2024 bobber
Im having to wait till June for my Blue Speed400. Cant wait as i haven't really heard a bad word against it.
I got a x and love it mostly for dirt road capability
I would live to see a twin clocks on the speed 400! Or at least digital speedometer and analog rev counter. Plus who ever will come up woth a cafe racer half fairing like the one on the Thruxton for this bike will get my money with a little raised clip on conversation. TRIUMPH should make a one make junior race series.
Well, you're in luck. Triumph - Bajaj are already testing a variant with a half fairing, something along the lines of the Speed 1200 RR.
The name Thruxton 400 is being touted a lot, but given the striking resemblance, I would expect it to be named as the Speed 400 RR. Expected to be launched soon.
If I had two bikes one would be the 400 Speed for pavement. The other would be a dedicated dirt bike. But I also ride EMTB, which is super fun, and takes care of dirt shenanigans.
Like the Speed version. I'm also 5'9" with a 30" leg. So the scrambler is too high a seat for me. So many bikes these days have too high a seat height for me to consider buying.
How is the SPEED on the highway? Moderate solo touring?
I have a z400 currently, it’s amazing but could be more comfortable.
How would you rate the speed against the z400?
How does the engine vibration compare to the Speed 900?
Dear MotoBob i liked your review and I liked Triumph X because of it's appearance and trendy Exhaust system.Triumph motorcycle manufacturing company has to introduce some New Colours of bith Triumph X and Triumph Speed in the near future 🎉
Can you get the normal mirrors on the Speed 400 though
Speed 400 for me. Mine should be arriving in April.
I love my new speed 400. Awesome fun!! Lots of torque and pick up speed
Husky svartpilen 401 rival? Some great deals on those atm
What about comparing Triumph 400s with Husqvarna 401s,what would you choose?
The scrambler for me! I need the versatility since my bike is my only vehicle!
I got the Scrambler 400x. I’m 6’4” and that made sense to me. If I was smaller, I would’ve picked the Svartpilen 401 instead tbh.
I test rode the Street 400 and didn't like it at all... it felt like a 250... also, I didn't like having to look down at the speedometer and altering my helmet to see it. A week later, I test rode the Scrambler 400, and bought one. I couldn't believe the difference. If it's the same engine, does the frame and bike height really make that much difference? The Scrambler seemed much more like a 400. I also have a Svartpilen 401, which in my opinion is the perfect urban bike (I live in Bath, so both of these bikes are perfect for the street/green combo). The seat height and the front tire size of the Scrambler 400 are my only (very small) complaints, because of my 5'9" height.
The front mudguard is a bit short & looks like a fair bit of crud gets thrown into the radiator. A nice looking bike though
This video makes me want one even more! But damn, in my country Speed 400 costs close to 8000$ which is crazy! XSR700 costs around 10000$, would you recommend XSR with CP2 engine over Speed?
The HONDA CB500 has so much more about it. Might not look as pretty but it has much more engine and has better handling and brakes
You definitely need to change the exhaust, but that's it.
In India, where general road speed is less and patchy / under-construction sections occasionally, the Scrambler can be a touring motorcycle, if only the tank was larger.
It still is comfortable in city and smooth on highways
I'm in Australia and just (April 2024) bought the Speed 400 as my get around bike to get me too/from work. Im 6ft, ridden bigger bikes, GTR1400, GSX750(2), and this bike so far appears to tick all of the boxes to do the 200km round trip and Queenscliff/Sorento ferry journey I have to do once a week. About the only concern I do have and it was touched on in the video are the accessories. I bought the bike with the intention to install the Topbox to allow me to store my work gear, but Ive been told by Truimph that the Topbox may not be available until July/August of this year (2024), so i'm having to wear a bag on my back, and do the ride with my work gear. Whilst this isn't optimal, I'll accept this as a small concern with what appears so far to be a great little bike.
Same! I bought the Speed in Feb and ordered the rack & top box but still waiting for it - probably til July as you said, I guess. And so, like you, I just use a little backpack. Ok for now. But yes, I'm really enjoying this bike. So easy to ride and comfortable, for me and my wife as a pillion.
Im 6'2" & I chose Speed 400 & I love it ❤
should i get this or save more on a T120?
I sat on both and being a shorter rider (29 inch inside sesam) the speed was better for feet down but ...I like the looks of the 400x better, am still to decide...and then there is the RE Himalayan and CF Moto 450MT coming along!
I own a 23 R1250 GSA and just put a deposit on a Speed 400. I want a small cc bike to ride around town that is light and nimble. I will use the GSA for long haul freeway riding and the Speed 400 for city riding.
I've just bought a Honda CB300R mainly because it is lighter, being £450 cheaper than the Speed 400 was also a factor. I think I've made the right choice for me.
Is the cb300 still 286cc. There is a big power difference between the two bikes. 26hp vs 40hp.
@@chrishart8548 I wouldn't call 9hp a big difference (Honda 31bhp 286cc), from the videos I've seen of them side by side accleration wise there's nothing in it, but I'm not bothered. 27kg lighter whilst not a lot in the grand scheme of things was a factor for me, I prefer lighter small capacity bikes.
That honda engine is proven too. I prefer the looks of the speed 400, but I'm a suckered for retros
@@chrishart8548 It should not be that much of a difference, since both are thumper design.
But for not much more, I bough SV650, which trust me, is a proper bike in comparison, with legendary Suzi reliability and V2 sound.
@@stormtrooper9404 I saw a T reg 1999 sv650 the naked version. I love the design with the thick round frame running underneath the petrol tank. Think they were only £4,195 around that time. What a bike. The styling was almost steam punk with the modern frame and round headlight.
Nice review, as always! So can we say that it now makes more sense to go from a Speed 400 to a Speed Twin 1200?
More sense that what. That's a fairly bike power hike. Speed twin has a lot of performance.
Comparing them with the pricing isn't 100% valid Because the X starts at 5.595 but it comes with kneed pads, radiator guard, the headlight grill and the handguards and the handlebar pad and the last two aren't an option for the Speed. Now the speed starts at 4.995 but if you add the 3 accesories that come as standard on the X the price goes to 5.175 wich is still a little cheaper. But its not like the triumph made the X a little higher on price for no reason.
Ill wait for the svartpilen 401 comparison
Svartpilen is great but too bad its within the KTM group that unfortunately has horrible factory warranty support. Triumph reliability, fit and finish are outstanding. My Tiger 900 and T120 Bonnie have been superb. The 400 Scrambler might be next to join the herd.
@@chrisvonkleist3984Well Bajaj is known to make good quality bikes & they did good work on both of these models! They are producing them in India & concurrently helping Thailand & Brazil to make these models too, with all the QA & QC process as well!
Looks like a great bike
I'm sure these would sell well at it price. If I'm in the UK, I would consider buying Speed 400. 😊
But I would recommend looking into the used market which may have a better bike at this price range.
I would buy the speed 400 it looks amazing. I am just 5 “3.
i’ve searched online but there’s not a lot of after market exhaust for this bike is there
Yeah - I bounced back and forth between the two - initially favoring the Scrambler, but bought the Speed. Primarily as I wanted a "pure" road bike. I still may pick up a Himalayan when they start shipping the new 452s.
So far (halfway through break-in) the Speed 400 has exceeded my expectations. I do find it interesting that the prices on both sides of the pond are 4995 - Dollars in my case - much less than Sterling.