Having owned (still do the Thruxton R) a Speed Twin and an Interceptor 650 I went for the Himmy 450 over the Triumph 400. It was close but I wanted the slightly more rugged and simple looks of the RE450 No regrets thus far. Over here in Australia the roadside assist package helps as well.
In India, Himalayan is 4L plus on road without tubeless tyres How many will do extreme off-roading with this bike. On highways at high speed it's a disaster waiting to happen in case of a tyre burst.
As someone looking for a small, affordable, bike for a 15-minute commute across the valley, I feel like the Triumph was my first choice. Still hoping to get a comparison between the 400x and the svartpilen 401. Thanks for your work!
I agree about styling. The triumph is a very cool looking bike. But as an Interceptor owner, it doesn’t do enough different than what I already have, so I’d be most likely to go with the Himalayan as an addition to my stable, and neither if I was just looking to own one bike.
Just tested both. The 400X buzzes considerably less than the Himalayan at highway speeds. I'd say, compared to the Himalayan, the 400X doesn't really vibe at all.
Interesting comparison - RE's top of the line ADV vs. Triumph's budget scrambler! 😊 I get it... Price point and engine config. Understandable that you ended with the RE for ADV stuff and the Scrambler for street riding....
I have tested both, but the Enfield is running low on stocks already, some of the bolt on bit have a 1 month waiting period. The Triumph x400 Scramble just does it for me, coming from a Harley 883 Iron Its totally kicked all the other bikes I have been testing, and working through. The x400 Scramble is 60 Road/40 Trail and that what I am after, tripping on country roads mostly. The Enfield is 40 Road/60 Trail. But I still feel the KTM 390 is what I would go for if I was going full monty Adventure touring.
This video comes in the right circumstances, validating my point of picking a bike that can handle harsh environments over a cosy but fancy city commuter
Thanks a lot for this most interesting comparison. As a 77-year-young biker, I think both bikes have the classic look of the bikes of my youth. One of the things I like on the Triumph is the hand guards; I'm riding everyday in the Tropics a 2010 660cc Yamaha MT03 that came with hand guards; they did a great job the couple of time I dropped my baby... From now on, I can't see myself riding a bike without hand guards 😀😀😀Also, The Royal Enfield radiator is less exposed to gravel projection 🙃🙃🙃
I bought a Scrambler 400X a couple of weeks ago at a dealer that also sells Royal Enfield. They did not have the new Himalayan 450 but did have a couple of the old Himalayans, one fully dressed and one basic. In comparison the 400 Scrambler was better in fit and finish, performance, and price. With transportation and assembly fees the basic RE was actually $200 more than the Scrambler. Once I rode the Scrambler 400 the choice was not even close. With the upgrade to a 450 RE might fill the performance gap and based on the video I've seen the 450 is a step up in finish from the old Himalayan. Even so, for the type of riding I do the Scrambler 400 is the clear choice for me. I live in a twistie rich environment and have a wealth of forest service roads and primitive roads where the Scrambler 400 shines. I had a Honda NC 750 and CRF 250, both of which are fine motorcycles, but neither compare to the Scrambler 400 for my needs. That said, competition is a good thing and I would like to see Triumph come out with a 650 Bonneville to compete with the RE Interceptor 650. That would surely spawn debates for years to come.
I like both motorcycles, but would prefer the RE. Advantages: better wind protection, standard center stand and crash bars, and for me the more interesting design. The RE looks so wonderfully old-fashioned while the Triumph looks like all the others. What bothers me about the RE is the sloppy workmanship in some details. The black/gold model has tube tires and the CEAT standard tires are crap in the wet.
Tube tyre are better for offroading. Cause if the rim got bent in any occasion with tube tyre you can ride off. In the case of alloy with tubeless tyre you are stuck there!
Triumph is great but feels outdated... At this price point, go for himalayan or ktm adv 390... Triumph speed 400 and 400x looks good but doesn't commit to anything... For urban commuting, RE is bringing roadster version of 450 with telescope forks and they might undercut speed 400 which is not good for triumph..
So if you lay down the Himi offroad and break one of the turning signals you basically are losing your break light? I can’t understand how the authorities approved homologation for this bike… I could see it as an extra feature but not as a replacement for a dedicated break light.
@@chinmaychiplunkar But a large number of bikes released and used in Asia can go wherever scrambler can do. Most roads people consider in US and Europe as “mild off-road” are actually like regular roads in many Asian countries.
For me they are two totally different bikes, The himmy is a small ADV, but the scrambler is a scrambler! You wouldn't buy one to do adventure riding! True you could do a bit of scamming on the himmy but it would be more fun on the Triumph. I think for most of us the triumph is going to be for back lane scratching trail rides and buzzing around locally, a fun bike that you don't have to fully kit up for, a light jacket gloves and helmet and away.
I would choose the Himalayan, but it didn't arrive here where I live yet and should take long to arrive. So, I bought the Scrambler. RE downside is timing.
Hey Rob!✌🏻 As always, thanks for the comprehensive comparison and your feedback 🎉 I believe that the Himis' true competition comes from the CF Moto 450MT and -at a higher price point- from the Kove 450 Rally Standard, probably the more capable true off-roader of the three. But that's just me, voicing an opinion 😊
I would take whichever brand i could immediately lay my hands on. And with Triumph dealers gleefully saying 'oh you'll have to wait till at least July onwards' , my money would likely go on an Enfield. Assuming they're not sold out too... 😂
The main difference is this. The Himalayan is THE most important bike in the RE stables, while the 400 is the cheapest bike for Triumph. RE must make the Himalayan the best it can, while Triumph spends it best R&D dollars on the Tigers and the Speed Triples, the big margin bikes. It cannot make the 400 scrambler the reason they don’t sell one of the crown-jewel models. This is why the Himalayan will always be better than the Triumph 400 doodahs.
Another great review. Love the way it's presented. I have a request, can you please review the CFMOTO CL-C 450 cruiser? Thanks again for the useful information on the RE vs Triumph scrambler.
I would wait 12 month for Triumph to come out with a 400 adv (tiger cub?) or RE to spawn a 450 scram . As for the 650 scam that's going to £7k ish putting in a whole different class
I am reading a lot of conflicting info on the supposedly "low seat" option of the Himalayan 450, the tech spec sheet on the official website says there's the option but it was nowhere to be found in the accessory side nor I found confirmation talking to the official dealer in my town. India's review channels also often refer to the lower seat to be at 810 rather than 805 in its lower setting. Still the low seat isn't really available anyway. I just hope it will be indeed available because, at least for me, it might represent the difference between pulling the trigger or not on the bike.
I mean I get that the retro aspect of both bikes might make them look like competitors, the Himi actually goes against the CFmoto450MT whereas the Scrambler 400X could be an interesting competitor to the Husky Svartpilen. (And the Speed400 to the Vitpilen)
Nice comparo, but once RE launches the 2nd persona of its 450cc chassis, the real T400X enemy, the RE 450cc Guerrilla, a lower bike and with 19" wheels in the front, the comparo must be done again .. and it least in Brazil, the price difference should be huge .... RE is a better choice on my opinion ....
Guerilla is a retro Roadster with 17" at both end. You are talking about the scram411 equivalent based on new himalayan engine and chassis that will come with 19" front 17" rear most likely next year. That bike will be the true competitor to T400X
If you want adventure looks and are actually going to take the bike off road then consider the Enfield. As most bikes won't go off road I'd go for either of the Triumphs. Liked the looks of the Enfield but the vibes were annoying. All are great value bikes and are going to sell in massive number.
Not really in the same group are they? If RE do a 450 Scram or Triumph to an adv version then game on. One's going to look great in the hills the other great outside Starbucks
So true! I had a 411 and couldn't wait for the new 450 so I bought the Triumph. Mostly a beach and Starbucks bike and once a year touring with gravel road camping. So far so good. At least I can now keep up with traffic on LA freeways! Lol
I think the scrambler 400 would of been a better bike for my style of riding that my 2010 Bonnie. But they did have it then😀 definitely change on the tires on all for me for sure. I couldn't take my 900 o gravel roads till I got a more nabi tire for sure. I love 2nd diary roads and gravel roads then highway or city. But I really want to go off roading so the Enfield might be better or a real off roading bike. Oh well they both look good.
RE should really have given traction control and cruise control to the Himalayan. They are being unnecessarily stubborn with that. In this day and age, these are not outlandish luxuries but rather basic features.
I'd say this is a nice-to-have comparison.I can already predict what the end-of-video verdict will be. The real comparison is between RE 450 and MT450.
What?! It is a great bike. It is made by bajaj yes, but what reason you have to believe it's not a good bike? The chassis is excellent, the price is good, it has decent power. You may have owned a dozen T's but it's clear that you didn't own the scrambler
Failed? They're planning to probably sell 20-30k of them this year(take that how you will). Is it better than the new Himmy? Maybe not(some of that is subjective though), but I absolutely love my 400x. It looks great, is perfectly capable and is highly "flickable". The price point isnt bad at all for what you get. It may not be a true T at the heart, but I'd never call it a fail.
£1000 for Himmy luggage ? Pah ! I’ve bought pannier rails from India , Lomo front crash bar bags and 30 litre Lomo dry bags for the panniers for the grand sum of £166 !
Man I wish the scrambler 400 was on a 21 inch spoked and taller off road suspension. Because it really is quite light and a great engine… and stylistically I would enjoy black forks and a straighter line with the tank and seat
I think it's unfair to compare these bikes. The Himalayan is better suited to have a comparison with a the CF Moto, both similarly priced, both ADV capable, similar bells & whistles. The only thing these bikes have in common is their British heritage and India manufacturing...!
So one of the points in favour of the Triumph is that the company that makes their stock tires pays you? How am I supposed to take anything in this review seriously after hearing that? And you mention the handling and engine's low-end power curve being more "city friendly" despite the fact that the wheelbase of the bikes are only 2 inches apart, and the 450 motor in the Himalayan is designed to have the low-end tractor factor for ease of use at low speeds. Also "I like that the Scrambler has bits on it that are 100% superfluous and do nothing for the function of the bike except to make someone think it's more capable than it is" is a pretty silly thing to add to the comparison. The Scrambler 400X is a radical looking bike and I don't doubt it's a fantastic and affordable small displacement city bike, but why even compare these bikes in the first place? They're very clearly nothing alike, they serve completely different parts of the market, and the criteria you used in this is nonsensical at best, and a low effort biased ad for your sponsor at best
There are only 3 motorcycle companies that uave been in continuous production for over 100 years, Harley Davidson, Royal Enfield and Moto Guzzi. Not only that, a proper motorcycle company has a 2 word name.
you failed to mention that the Himalayan weighs 196 kg kerb weight compared to the 179 kg kerb weight of the triumph. That's a huge difference so ifit comes to tricky off road conditions I know what bike I'd rather be riding & having a 21" front wheel isn't going to offset the extra weight in tricky situations.
The Himalayan's weight is down low and feels lighter than it should. I took my new himalayan off road yesterday and was impressed with its off road handling especially in the slow technical rough stuff.
Tech ? not agree. Himalayan has no traction control. TFT screen is changing color too fast. Knob is not strong when changing figures. Difficult to reset trip. Off Road ? yes but lacking hand guards. side stand too low. May be handle bars too low. People say the tank is too heavy and too high, giving less balance. The engine is too far to the right and the bike is leaning to the side. And the rust, parts price, the settings, we don't know much about this new bike ?
Not a good review. Heavily biased onto the Triumph. And then, Metzelrer tyres which I have had for years on my BMW are great, but not necessarily the best for these bike. Thank you for your video!
I think your opinion of a 19" front wheel & what you can do with it is complete rubbish. I own a Royal ENfield Meteor 350 & this has a 19" front wheel & I often take this bike off road. To me in a lot of situations it actually tracks better & feels more planted than the old Himalayan off road & would be my preferred choice. I would add a bash plate & slightly more off road bias tyres & I would attempt anything that I'd previously done on the Himalayan using a bike with a 19" front wheel. 21" front wheel distances you from what's directly in front of you which isn't always ideal especially when dealing with a rocky river crossing & also not the same feel as a 19" front wheel on road especially the twisty bits. The dash on the triumph is retro in keeping with the rest of the bike. The dash & everything else about the Himalayan isn't really retro & I can't see how it relates to the previous model apart from the tank racks.
There is no way a 19” front is better than a 21” front off-road. The skinnier 21” gives you more control in loose gravel and sand, and the larger circumference means it can roll over obstacles easier. Lastly the spokes mean it can take impacts from rocks and ledges and is far less likely to crack the rims as the spokes give the rims some flex..
@@slakk5093 The Scrambler 400X has now a Rally Raid kit available for tubeless spoke wheels with gold rims. Their are some other upgrades as well including suspension. The Himalayan is about 20 kg too heavy & that's the feedback. Try lifting the Himalayan off the side stand-it weighs a ton. I sat on a Triumph Tiger 660 triple the other day & it had a similar lean angle to the Himalayan & it felt lighter than the HImalayan. Even the R nine T 1200cc BMW felt lighter than the Himalayan. I think they must have filled the frame with lead. The bike has gotten too big-it's huge & long which puts it in the category of the Tuarag 660 & Tenere 700 & I'd say the weight feel would be similar as well. It's no longer a lite middleweight I feel & the long standing issue with the 200 kg for a 411 cc bike still haunts this new 450 cc bike which I feel considering they had a blank canvas is somewhat a failure. I dislike the look of the bike apart from the black & gold which to some degree disguises the huge tank. But the othe killer for me is having to remove the tank to change the air cleaner. In summary I don't think they've entirely listened to customer's/dealers about the short comings of the old bike. Yes the performance has being improved at higher speeds & yes perhaps the suspension is better with also an improved display but if the bike isn't manageable because of it's size & weight in difficult terrain & challenging situations like cambered steep climbs where you want to turn around then all the rest of the upgrades are null n void. I think the it would be down my list of bikes in this category with the arrival of the Scrambler 400X with it's agile 179 kg wet & the CF Moto 450 MT.
@@frankpinion4937 doesn’t change the fact that the it’s still a 19in. Great that it has spokes but it’s still a “soft-roader” not an off-roader like the 450MT and Himi450. They are all good bikes, just different uses. The Triumph is good for the odd gravel road and laneways, but is seriously lacking in true offroad tracks. Also I think you are overplaying the weight of the himi450. I have taken one for a test ride and it isn’t that bad, and not difficult to lift off the side stand. Have you ridden a tenere 700? That is a top heavy bike
Ridden both and whilst the Triumph does look great you're right, the Himalayan is the more rounded bike. It's the one I could tour on and ride all day..
Just ordered a Himalayan for my first bike. Love the rugged looks and the fact that it can go anywhere.
Just get what makes you happy and you can adapt it to go where you wanna go… just ride…👍
I got a crf250 rally, black .
Yes right words.
Having owned (still do the Thruxton R) a Speed Twin and an Interceptor 650 I went for the Himmy 450 over the Triumph 400. It was close but I wanted the slightly more rugged and simple looks of the RE450
No regrets thus far.
Over here in Australia the roadside assist package helps as well.
Himalayan for the touring and adventure capacity for me. Now, I wish it had a twin like the MT450.
Both look great but I prefer the himalayans more rugged looks will have to get to a dealers and take a look
Good summary of the differences. If I had to choose, and despite being a Triumph fanboy, I’d go with the Himalayan.
I would also choose the RE, despite having a Triumph T120 and loving the brand.
Nah not for me. The R.E just does not have the charisma
You've made me a lot more interested in the Himalayan than I'd expected to be!
In my humble opinion, himalayan with rally kit looks better than triumph scrambler.
Looks*
Since RE didn't care to launch the new Himalayan in Brazil, I just got a 400x. It`s been fun both on and offroad. Plus it has traction control.
Triumph's ride quality is not as expected. Rode it back to back for 80kms. Himalayan is far far better
In India, Himalayan is 4L plus on road without tubeless tyres
How many will do extreme off-roading with this bike.
On highways at high speed it's a disaster waiting to happen in case of a tyre burst.
CF 450 MT far better except finition witch go to triumph
Price of Himalayan is higher as Triumph, correct?
I don't off road so the Triumph by a country mile for me!
As someone looking for a small, affordable, bike for a 15-minute commute across the valley, I feel like the Triumph was my first choice. Still hoping to get a comparison between the 400x and the svartpilen 401. Thanks for your work!
I agree about styling. The triumph is a very cool looking bike. But as an Interceptor owner, it doesn’t do enough different than what I already have, so I’d be most likely to go with the Himalayan as an addition to my stable, and neither if I was just looking to own one bike.
Just tested both. The 400X buzzes considerably less than the Himalayan at highway speeds. I'd say, compared to the Himalayan, the 400X doesn't really vibe at all.
Interesting comparison - RE's top of the line ADV vs. Triumph's budget scrambler! 😊 I get it... Price point and engine config. Understandable that you ended with the RE for ADV stuff and the Scrambler for street riding....
I have tested both, but the Enfield is running low on stocks already, some of the bolt on bit have a 1 month waiting period. The Triumph x400 Scramble just does it for me, coming from a Harley 883 Iron Its totally kicked all the other bikes I have been testing, and working through. The x400 Scramble is 60 Road/40 Trail and that what I am after, tripping on country roads mostly. The Enfield is 40 Road/60 Trail. But I still feel the KTM 390 is what I would go for if I was going full monty Adventure touring.
This video comes in the right circumstances, validating my point of picking a bike that can handle harsh environments over a cosy but fancy city commuter
Thanks a lot for this most interesting comparison. As a 77-year-young biker, I think both bikes have the classic look of the bikes of my youth. One of the things I like on the Triumph is the hand guards; I'm riding everyday in the Tropics a 2010 660cc Yamaha MT03 that came with hand guards; they did a great job the couple of time I dropped my baby... From now on, I can't see myself riding a bike without hand guards 😀😀😀Also, The Royal Enfield radiator is less exposed to gravel projection 🙃🙃🙃
My wife has the Scrambler 400X and my Himi is coming soon. Get the best of both worlds!
best of 3 worlds!!! Congratulations
Also the fuel cap is offset on the Triumph making it difficult to fit a tank bag with a tank ring fixing! (the bag I already have)!
Scrambler 400x, more style without doubts 👌
I bought a Scrambler 400X a couple of weeks ago at a dealer that also sells Royal Enfield. They did not have the new Himalayan 450 but did have a couple of the old Himalayans, one fully dressed and one basic. In comparison the 400 Scrambler was better in fit and finish, performance, and price. With transportation and assembly fees the basic RE was actually $200 more than the Scrambler. Once I rode the Scrambler 400 the choice was not even close. With the upgrade to a 450 RE might fill the performance gap and based on the video I've seen the 450 is a step up in finish from the old Himalayan. Even so, for the type of riding I do the Scrambler 400 is the clear choice for me. I live in a twistie rich environment and have a wealth of forest service roads and primitive roads where the Scrambler 400 shines. I had a Honda NC 750 and CRF 250, both of which are fine motorcycles, but neither compare to the Scrambler 400 for my needs. That said, competition is a good thing and I would like to see Triumph come out with a 650 Bonneville to compete with the RE Interceptor 650. That would surely spawn debates for years to come.
I haven't ridden the Triumph but did test ride the RE. You're spot on for touring & off road it has to be the RE.
In Auckland New Zealand the local dealer for Royal Enfield…..makes it a deal breaker.
Do explain...?
I like both motorcycles, but would prefer the RE. Advantages: better wind protection, standard center stand and crash bars, and for me the more interesting design. The RE looks so wonderfully old-fashioned while the Triumph looks like all the others. What bothers me about the RE is the sloppy workmanship in some details. The black/gold model has tube tires and the CEAT standard tires are crap in the wet.
Fun fact: in Italy the Hanle version (black/gold) is also available as tubeless version.
Tube tyre are better for offroading. Cause if the rim got bent in any occasion with tube tyre you can ride off. In the case of alloy with tubeless tyre you are stuck there!
You can always put a tube in a tubeless rim if you do bend it. Tubeless is a great advantage in case of a puncture without road assistance.
I think a test between the Triumph 400 x and the BMW GS 350 would be interesting.
Triumph is great but feels outdated... At this price point, go for himalayan or ktm adv 390...
Triumph speed 400 and 400x looks good but doesn't commit to anything...
For urban commuting, RE is bringing roadster version of 450 with telescope forks and they might undercut speed 400 which is not good for triumph..
Yeah but Triumph is cool , be cool man 🤠.
So if you lay down the Himi offroad and break one of the turning signals you basically are losing your break light?
I can’t understand how the authorities approved homologation for this bike…
I could see it as an extra feature but not as a replacement for a dedicated break light.
I prefer the Himalayan, for looks and flexibility with off road ability.
The new Guerilla 450 is coming. And it would tackle speed 400.
Looks and quality…hands down the Triumph !
can you make a comparison between Triumph scrambler 400x and RE Scram 411... i think that one much relevant.. thanks
One can do offroad work. The other just looks like it can.
It can do mild off-road, but that is all it has to offer. But trust me it is fun for the B-roads and small hillocks.
@@chinmaychiplunkar But a large number of bikes released and used in Asia can go wherever scrambler can do. Most roads people consider in US and Europe as “mild off-road” are actually like regular roads in many Asian countries.
@@rakeshravindran3147 Put me on the Triumph offroad and eat muh dust 😏, people forget the rider skill aspect .
The Triumph, even though a great bike, it is a "showing off" trail bike. The RE is a serious off road machine. No discussion about it.
If you are as serious off roader then great. But truthfully not that many people are.
For me they are two totally different bikes, The himmy is a small ADV, but the scrambler is a scrambler! You wouldn't buy one to do adventure riding! True you could do a bit of scamming on the himmy but it would be more fun on the Triumph. I think for most of us the triumph is going to be for back lane scratching trail rides and buzzing around locally, a fun bike that you don't have to fully kit up for, a light jacket gloves and helmet and away.
Exactly. Most informed comment so far.
I would choose the Himalayan, but it didn't arrive here where I live yet and should take long to arrive. So, I bought the Scrambler. RE downside is timing.
Make a video about upcoming Himalayan 450 based Scram/ roadster 450 please. Love to hear your views about it
Looks wise the Himalayan looks to me like my old 2012 650 V Strom without the fairing.
Hey Rob!✌🏻
As always, thanks for the comprehensive comparison and your feedback 🎉
I believe that the Himis' true competition comes from the CF Moto 450MT and -at a higher price point- from the Kove 450 Rally Standard, probably the more capable true off-roader of the three.
But that's just me, voicing an opinion 😊
A Royal Enfield está demorando para lançar a Himalayan no Brasil!! Acorda Royal Enfield!!! 👍🇧🇷👍🇧🇷👍🇧🇷👍
I would take whichever brand i could immediately lay my hands on. And with Triumph dealers gleefully saying 'oh you'll have to wait till at least July onwards' , my money would likely go on an Enfield.
Assuming they're not sold out too... 😂
Lol, totally understandable, same feeling actually but the scenario is actually the opposite in India here 😄
The main difference is this. The Himalayan is THE most important bike in the RE stables, while the 400 is the cheapest bike for Triumph. RE must make the Himalayan the best it can, while Triumph spends it best R&D dollars on the Tigers and the Speed Triples, the big margin bikes. It cannot make the 400 scrambler the reason they don’t sell one of the crown-jewel models.
This is why the Himalayan will always be better than the Triumph 400 doodahs.
Amazing insight man!
Out of the two for off roading. I.e. the advertised purposed I'd get the Himalayan. And this is coming from a Triumph fan boy. Own 2 Triumphs.
Another great review. Love the way it's presented. I have a request, can you please review the CFMOTO CL-C 450 cruiser? Thanks again for the useful information on the RE vs Triumph scrambler.
I have the scrambler, but I would love both
I would wait 12 month for Triumph to come out with a 400 adv (tiger cub?) or RE to spawn a 450 scram . As for the 650 scam that's going to £7k ish putting in a whole different class
Tiger Cub for the win
450 scram was spotted testing recently 😁
Enfield would be my choice
Value for money with quality cant be beat
Too heavy for you.
I am reading a lot of conflicting info on the supposedly "low seat" option of the Himalayan 450, the tech spec sheet on the official website says there's the option but it was nowhere to be found in the accessory side nor I found confirmation talking to the official dealer in my town. India's review channels also often refer to the lower seat to be at 810 rather than 805 in its lower setting. Still the low seat isn't really available anyway. I just hope it will be indeed available because, at least for me, it might represent the difference between pulling the trigger or not on the bike.
great video! could you please do a comparison with the triumph 400x and the new husky svartpilen 401?
Scrambler would be better compared to the Scram. The Himalayan is a heavy beast.
Price? Did I miss that?
Which one requires less maintenance?
Both
I found the Himalayas handling better than the triumph 400
I mean I get that the retro aspect of both bikes might make them look like competitors, the Himi actually goes against the CFmoto450MT whereas the Scrambler 400X could be an interesting competitor to the Husky Svartpilen. (And the Speed400 to the Vitpilen)
Where would you place the Fantic Caballero 500 Rally in this equation?
Being ride-by-wire, the Himi just needs a tune for cruise control as well. Huge deal, sad RF just didn't add it from the factory.
Nice comparo, but once RE launches the 2nd persona of its 450cc chassis, the real T400X enemy, the RE 450cc Guerrilla, a lower bike and with 19" wheels in the front, the comparo must be done again .. and it least in Brazil, the price difference should be huge .... RE is a better choice on my opinion ....
Guerilla is a retro Roadster with 17" at both end. You are talking about the scram411 equivalent based on new himalayan engine and chassis that will come with 19" front 17" rear most likely next year. That bike will be the true competitor to T400X
@@the_wind_walker that’s exactly What I said before … T400x vs 450 Guerrilla … there Won’t be a new scram … the Guerrilla is the new scram 411
@@RenatoPinheiro22 guerilla been spotted testing in india with 17" front. Scrambler are not 17". Scrambler is coming next year after guerilla
@@the_wind_walker yes, you are right .. the 452 platform will be the hima, the street (guerrilla) and a scram … My eyes are on the street .. best !
If you want adventure looks and are actually going to take the bike off road then consider the Enfield. As most bikes won't go off road I'd go for either of the Triumphs. Liked the looks of the Enfield but the vibes were annoying. All are great value bikes and are going to sell in massive number.
An Enfield 650 scrambler! 😲
I think unr comparing wrong products with each other, triumph scramblers RE competitor is yet to be launched with the probable name gaurilla
agility and fuel economy is 400x, no doubt,hima is too heavy and suspensions are too soft
Royal Enfield have a real chance to end the debate if they just make a Scram 450 that's basically the same bike but with scrambler styling.
Not really in the same group are they? If RE do a 450 Scram or Triumph to an adv version then game on. One's going to look great in the hills the other great outside Starbucks
So true! I had a 411 and couldn't wait for the new 450 so I bought the Triumph. Mostly a beach and Starbucks bike and once a year touring with gravel road camping. So far so good. At least I can now keep up with traffic on LA freeways! Lol
The bike that needs to be compared to the Himalayan 450 is the CFMOTO 450MT. Eventually someone will do it proper.
Aaron palabyab did a video comparing both after riding them.
I think the scrambler 400 would of been a better bike for my style of riding that my 2010 Bonnie. But they did have it then😀 definitely change on the tires on all for me for sure. I couldn't take my 900 o gravel roads till I got a more nabi tire for sure. I love 2nd diary roads and gravel roads then highway or city. But I really want to go off roading so the Enfield might be better or a real off roading bike. Oh well they both look good.
Himalayan for me 🙂
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Glazing a youtuber is unbelievably pathetic.
My vote will be for the updated KTM once released.
The entire video:
Himalayan: It is an ADV
Scambler 400X: It is a Scrambler
RE should really have given traction control and cruise control to the Himalayan. They are being unnecessarily stubborn with that. In this day and age, these are not outlandish luxuries but rather basic features.
A more competitive comparison would be the RE Himalayan vs the CFMoto 450MT. Both great light ADVs.
I'd say this is a nice-to-have comparison.I can already predict what the end-of-video verdict will be.
The real comparison is between RE 450 and MT450.
Royal Enfield do cheap very well, where the 400x is a cheap Triumph.
Triumph has tried and failed IMO. Its a Bajaj with a T on the tank. Ive owned a dozen Ts.
What?! It is a great bike. It is made by bajaj yes, but what reason you have to believe it's not a good bike? The chassis is excellent, the price is good, it has decent power. You may have owned a dozen T's but it's clear that you didn't own the scrambler
Failed? They're planning to probably sell 20-30k of them this year(take that how you will). Is it better than the new Himmy? Maybe not(some of that is subjective though), but I absolutely love my 400x. It looks great, is perfectly capable and is highly "flickable". The price point isnt bad at all for what you get.
It may not be a true T at the heart, but I'd never call it a fail.
Go anywhere with the Himmy. No Brain choice
If i am a guy who rides most in city(70-80%) which is the best choice 😊
himalayan is success❤❤upcoming gueriila 450 will beat scrambler 400 in price, cc and punch❤❤
The Himmy. If you want to go off road.
£1000 for Himmy luggage ? Pah ! I’ve bought pannier rails from India , Lomo front crash bar bags and 30 litre Lomo dry bags for the panniers for the grand sum of £166 !
For city and broken roads Scrambler 400X is best
Man I wish the scrambler 400 was on a 21 inch spoked and taller off road suspension. Because it really is quite light and a great engine… and stylistically I would enjoy black forks and a straighter line with the tank and seat
RE already cooking a 450 Scram and 650 scram
I think it's unfair to compare these bikes. The Himalayan is better suited to have a comparison with a the CF Moto, both similarly priced, both ADV capable, similar bells & whistles. The only thing these bikes have in common is their British heritage and India manufacturing...!
Hard to compare a pure adv bike with a scrambler. 2 different usages. Then get both in your garage. 😊
So one of the points in favour of the Triumph is that the company that makes their stock tires pays you? How am I supposed to take anything in this review seriously after hearing that? And you mention the handling and engine's low-end power curve being more "city friendly" despite the fact that the wheelbase of the bikes are only 2 inches apart, and the 450 motor in the Himalayan is designed to have the low-end tractor factor for ease of use at low speeds. Also "I like that the Scrambler has bits on it that are 100% superfluous and do nothing for the function of the bike except to make someone think it's more capable than it is" is a pretty silly thing to add to the comparison. The Scrambler 400X is a radical looking bike and I don't doubt it's a fantastic and affordable small displacement city bike, but why even compare these bikes in the first place? They're very clearly nothing alike, they serve completely different parts of the market, and the criteria you used in this is nonsensical at best, and a low effort biased ad for your sponsor at best
4:23 That’s not the new Himalayan
There are only 3 motorcycle companies that uave been in continuous production for over 100 years, Harley Davidson, Royal Enfield and Moto Guzzi. Not only that, a proper motorcycle company has a 2 word name.
RE was closed 2002 -2013
@@leeinwis Well then. There are only 2. Harley and Guzzi. MotoGuzzi is still in it's original factory in Mondelo. Thanks for the correction.
you failed to mention that the Himalayan weighs 196 kg kerb weight compared to the 179 kg kerb weight of the triumph. That's a huge difference so ifit comes to tricky off road conditions I know what bike I'd rather be riding & having a 21" front wheel isn't going to offset the extra weight in tricky situations.
The Himalayan's weight is down low and feels lighter than it should. I took my new himalayan off road yesterday and was impressed with its off road handling especially in the slow technical rough stuff.
Himi have center stand & other stuff standard.
Tech ? not agree. Himalayan has no traction control. TFT screen is changing color too fast. Knob is not strong when changing figures. Difficult to reset trip. Off Road ? yes but lacking hand guards. side stand too low. May be handle bars too low. People say the tank is too heavy and too high, giving less balance. The engine is too far to the right and the bike is leaning to the side. And the rust, parts price, the settings, we don't know much about this new bike ?
Not a good review. Heavily biased onto the Triumph. And then, Metzelrer tyres which I have had for years on my BMW are great, but not necessarily the best for these bike. Thank you for your video!
I think your opinion of a 19" front wheel & what you can do with it is complete rubbish. I own a Royal ENfield Meteor 350 & this has a 19" front wheel & I often take this bike off road. To me in a lot of situations it actually tracks better & feels more planted than the old Himalayan off road & would be my preferred choice. I would add a bash plate & slightly more off road bias tyres & I would attempt anything that I'd previously done on the Himalayan using a bike with a 19" front wheel. 21" front wheel distances you from what's directly in front of you which isn't always ideal especially when dealing with a rocky river crossing & also not the same feel as a 19" front wheel on road especially the twisty bits. The dash on the triumph is retro in keeping with the rest of the bike. The dash & everything else about the Himalayan isn't really retro & I can't see how it relates to the previous model apart from the tank racks.
There is no way a 19” front is better than a 21” front off-road. The skinnier 21” gives you more control in loose gravel and sand, and the larger circumference means it can roll over obstacles easier. Lastly the spokes mean it can take impacts from rocks and ledges and is far less likely to crack the rims as the spokes give the rims some flex..
@@slakk5093 The Scrambler 400X has now a Rally Raid kit available for tubeless spoke wheels with gold rims. Their are some other upgrades as well including suspension. The Himalayan is about 20 kg too heavy & that's the feedback. Try lifting the Himalayan off the side stand-it weighs a ton. I sat on a Triumph Tiger 660 triple the other day & it had a similar lean angle to the Himalayan & it felt lighter than the HImalayan. Even the R nine T 1200cc BMW felt lighter than the Himalayan. I think they must have filled the frame with lead. The bike has gotten too big-it's huge & long which puts it in the category of the Tuarag 660 & Tenere 700 & I'd say the weight feel would be similar as well. It's no longer a lite middleweight I feel & the long standing issue with the 200 kg for a 411 cc bike still haunts this new 450 cc bike which I feel considering they had a blank canvas is somewhat a failure. I dislike the look of the bike apart from the black & gold which to some degree disguises the huge tank. But the othe killer for me is having to remove the tank to change the air cleaner. In summary I don't think they've entirely listened to customer's/dealers about the short comings of the old bike. Yes the performance has being improved at higher speeds & yes perhaps the suspension is better with also an improved display but if the bike isn't manageable because of it's size & weight in difficult terrain & challenging situations like cambered steep climbs where you want to turn around then all the rest of the upgrades are null n void. I think the it would be down my list of bikes in this category with the arrival of the Scrambler 400X with it's agile 179 kg wet & the CF Moto 450 MT.
@@frankpinion4937 doesn’t change the fact that the it’s still a 19in. Great that it has spokes but it’s still a “soft-roader” not an off-roader like the 450MT and Himi450. They are all good bikes, just different uses. The Triumph is good for the odd gravel road and laneways, but is seriously lacking in true offroad tracks. Also I think you are overplaying the weight of the himi450. I have taken one for a test ride and it isn’t that bad, and not difficult to lift off the side stand. Have you ridden a tenere 700? That is a top heavy bike
The Himalayan. 👍
I still prefer old scram 411 looks
I’d go with the Himi, but am really interested in what the new KTM 390 has in store.
Ridden both and whilst the Triumph does look great you're right, the Himalayan is the more rounded bike. It's the one I could tour on and ride all day..
You should probably put a category for reliability as well. The Himalayan will break down or get a few niggles within the 1st year.
The Triumph looks the part. The Himmy is the real thing.
No traction control in Himalayan 450
Had a deposit down on the Triumph but got my money back after a test ride. Front end was horrible.
Himalayan is top heavy