Awesome series. I have tried everything and this would have helped me when I started. Still does now. I travel a lot from an rv and every tip helps to make better quality.
Great content and thorough explanation of everything, especially lighting. What did you set white balance to in the cameras? 5600? And what did you use to create the lighting diagram?
dude i just filmed a music video yesterday for a worship band here in kentucky and had a very similar setup! glad to see we did it right! looked great dude
Thanks for the vid, Tyler. What lenses were you using on the 4K's??? One reason I haven't bought one is because of the lack of IBIS on the 4K and 6K bodies. And since I tend to have shakey hands, it's not a good look. Thanks in advance.
Great breakdown....quick question. Doing a similar project shortly. When you ran the multiple takes did you just feed everything into multicam as if it was one take? Any tips on not having issues syncing everything with the music through multiple takes?
Realy nice breakdown, appreciate it! Would you say if it weren't so many musicians this could be done with 2 DP's or even on your own? I guess it is just convenient to have 3 cameras instead of doing more takes.
I would still have wanted 3 in my crew (including me). Setting up lights, scrims, audio (for message/story/host)/monitoring audio, less takes and tear down definitely is reason enough to have the same size crew.
Thanks for sharing. Were the songs pre-recorded? I was also wondering how close were the colors on the 4k & Ursa. I did something similar for a church with the Ursa Pro and the 6k and I was surprised at how different the colors were.
0 ire is pure black which I would only set if I were going for an infinity black background. I kept it above 0 ire since there wasn’t any pure black and I wanted to maintain shadow details 👍
Amazing as always man! That lighting looked so nice and so well motivated by the space. I’d love to see a breakdown on how you multicam edit something with this many takes and with very creative unpredictable camera angles 🙌🏼
Thanks so much! Since I had a safety shot during each take, it was quite easy to edit. I like to hang around the lead vocalist for most of the time during the verses while cutting every now and then to instruments/creative shots. When the song picks up, I just cut more often to move with the speed of the song :)
Would love to know if they played to a track so that every take could be mixed into the final without having to meticulously line up shots that could have had different tempos between takes, or if there was some other technique used.
Great video and breakdown. Could've used that dolly during my last music video shoot...used a gimbal for that wide shot and my arms were burning about halfway through.
@@TylerEdwards Ah ok, I thought banding was something else. Like when you shoot a blue sky with an 8-bit camera and see those “steps” between the blue tones, instead of a smooth transition.
Eventually this could probably be done with fewer lights and a smaller crew you'd just also have to move them around when doing takes and plan it out a little bit better. Great project and approach I am just trying to encourage someone who might not have the same gear and crew to go after it.
I really don't mean to come across as too critical, but I think when sharing your setup in this form it should inspire discussions and critique in order to be truly helpful. And for every beginner looking at this, I might have some food for thought. That being sad, I think you over-lit this shoot. Especially all the wide shots (4:42), but also the shots of the front man look so flat. There isn't much background separation, no color contrast, no dynamic. It comes from using such a huge soft light source without any further negative fill, flagging or using a grid. It just lights up the whole room and reflects everywhere. Sure, there are a lot of people to be lit, so if the client wanted everyone to be clearly visible and lit, maybe that's what you needed to do. But if the goal was to make it look interesting, I would have blocked the key light off on sides and top, so it's more controlled, toned all the lights down a little, worked with more darkness in the room and actually use all the backlighting from those beautiful practicals to create accents. An example of this would be this shoot I did years back: ua-cam.com/video/_ybjSJNF5Xw/v-deo.html The singer definitely is too bright, because this huge keylight I used was a halogen lamp which couldn't be dimmed down further. But apart from that I think you can see the difference in control of the light, how backlights create visual contrast and accents and the overall picture isn't as flat. Curious to hear what your thoughts are after the shoot and what you would do differently next time. Cheers!
Thanks for your input! We had one day to load in, shoot an interview in another part of the venue, shoot 4 songs, and a message. That being said, it was a balance of time efficiency and filming. We needed everyone to be lit, so a big source was the best option. I personally didn’t think it was too flat, but I also didn’t want to make it look too contrasty and moody-it was a shoot for a Christmas Eve service for their church and there was a lot of energy in the songs. Had it been for a Good Friday service, that would be a different story. There was a little bit of color contrast but not much. They wanted a warm and inviting feeling and I thought we did a good job delivering on that. I added that one light to give subtle color contrast, but if I added much more color contrast with lights, it would have looked off too me-where would the motivation from that be coming from? There simply wasn’t enough time and budget to audition anything else. Given the budget I had to work with, there’s not much else I would have done to be honest. If we were just filming one song, there would definitely have been things I would’ve done differently.
@@TylerEdwards Hey Tyler, yeah that makes complete sense. The final look is so heavily affected by practical factors and what's realistic that day. I just shot a live band video over a full weekend for only 2 songs and time-wise it was still tight. You definitely delivered on the warm feeling!
So pumped on this shoot! Also, SO close to 10K subs! Help me get there by the end of 2020 and smash subscribe!
Awesome breakdown and finished product. Thanks for the info!
Awesome series. I have tried everything and this would have helped me when I started. Still does now. I travel a lot from an rv and every tip helps to make better quality.
Great breakdown ! Curious where you landed on white balance within cameras/ post. 4500...?
4500K!
Grateful to be a small part of this with you! Great work.
Thanks buddy! And you played a huge part in this bro! Can’t wait to work on something together again!
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Can you make a review video for the cinematic pictures and the colors for this movie👇
" The Lady Of heaven" 2M views at trailer
Thanks for the detailed breakdown!
Great content and thorough explanation of everything, especially lighting. What did you set white balance to in the cameras? 5600? And what did you use to create the lighting diagram?
0:48 which tripod is that? looks sick!!
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Hey thanks a bunch for doing this! Really helps demystifying the process and make future shoots less intimidating.
And happy Easter 2023!
Very helpful video. So good! Happy new year!
Thanks! Happy new year to you too!
Very nice video. Thanks. Flying 2 DPs, paying them, and you , plus gear…. What was the budget for this? $10K?
dude i just filmed a music video yesterday for a worship band here in kentucky and had a very similar setup! glad to see we did it right! looked great dude
also which hazer do you use? we have been renting ones so far but wanna pick one up
love it hype man! hahaha
Hahaha glad someone caught that 😂 That being said, the hype was real.
Thank you so much for sharing this, dude!
Thanks man! Had a blast on this shoot!
That lighting breakdown was super inciteful! Thank you so much for your content man
Thanks for the kind words Steven!
Had a blast working with you on this one Tyler! Can’t wait wait for the next one!!
Let’s make that happen ASAP!! Thanks for joining me on this one dude!
Such a good video! That lighting is just perfect. I'm starting up with filmmaking, just found your channel and its such a good value!
Thank you!! 😊
Footage looks great. Nice tutorial.
Thanks Bob!! I appreciate it!
This video was so helpful!!!! Can you make more breakdowns videos? Pretty good Job!!!! Greetings from Panama
Absolutely planning on it so long as I get client approval to do so!
Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom to the world.
Super cool video!! Just shot something similar for my church. It was the most fun I’ve had shooting in a long time!!
Thanks Luke! Yeah, this was a super fun one to shoot!
Thanks for the vid, Tyler. What lenses were you using on the 4K's??? One reason I haven't bought one is because of the lack of IBIS on the 4K and 6K bodies. And since I tend to have shakey hands, it's not a good look. Thanks in advance.
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Love the breakdown Tyler, good stuff man
Thanks Joe! Really appreciate it!
Great breakdown....quick question. Doing a similar project shortly. When you ran the multiple takes did you just feed everything into multicam as if it was one take? Any tips on not having issues syncing everything with the music through multiple takes?
Yup just made a multicam clip. We shot it with a pre-recorded track (so basically music video) and it made it super easy to sync.
really nice breakdown!
Thanks!
2:27 - are you using a pro mist filter for your talking head here?
Any suggestions on how to add gel to a soft box?
Realy nice breakdown, appreciate it! Would you say if it weren't so many musicians this could be done with 2 DP's or even on your own? I guess it is just convenient to have 3 cameras instead of doing more takes.
I would still have wanted 3 in my crew (including me). Setting up lights, scrims, audio (for message/story/host)/monitoring audio, less takes and tear down definitely is reason enough to have the same size crew.
Nice! Just wondering what’s your color temperature and tint setting on your camera. :)
4500K. Can’t remember tint but wanna say around 5 maybe?
thank you so much for this, please share more of these tutorials.
Thanks for sharing. Were the songs pre-recorded? I was also wondering how close were the colors on the 4k & Ursa. I did something similar for a church with the Ursa Pro and the 6k and I was surprised at how different the colors were.
Yes the songs were pre-recorded. Colors were slightly different but not much work to get them to match. Gen5 color really helped with that.
The masks are utterly ridiculous
So so helpful mate, much appreciated!
Hey man! just a quick tip on the grading that i would give you is to bring your black point down to 0 IRE :)
0 ire is pure black which I would only set if I were going for an infinity black background. I kept it above 0 ire since there wasn’t any pure black and I wanted to maintain shadow details 👍
Amazing as always man! That lighting looked so nice and so well motivated by the space. I’d love to see a breakdown on how you multicam edit something with this many takes and with very creative unpredictable camera angles 🙌🏼
Thanks so much! Since I had a safety shot during each take, it was quite easy to edit. I like to hang around the lead vocalist for most of the time during the verses while cutting every now and then to instruments/creative shots. When the song picks up, I just cut more often to move with the speed of the song :)
Was a click track used? If not, how did you sync all the versions with their subtle variations?
Loaded tons of educational stuff. Loved it!
Such a great breakdown Tyler! Awesome detailed diagram and very high quality behind the scenes shots. Thank you for the valuable info!
Thanks so much! Glad you liked this video!
so good man.
Thanks dude!
Great breakdown brother. Can we see the full version of the service somewhere?
Thanks man! I’ll get you a link!
Looks great!!
Thanks!!!
Would love to know if they played to a track so that every take could be mixed into the final without having to meticulously line up shots that could have had different tempos between takes, or if there was some other technique used.
Yup they played to a track and even better with the click track at the beginning. Made multicam edited very easy.
Great video and breakdown. Could've used that dolly during my last music video shoot...used a gimbal for that wide shot and my arms were burning about halfway through.
This is what I was looking for when I saw that video. Great work! Haze is life!
Thanks!! And yes, haze is life!!
Can we have a link for those beautiful practical lights? That nasty banding you talk about on the pockets will happen even in Raw or Prores 444?
The codec has nothing to do with the banding. It has to due with rolling shutter and the speed of the sensor readout. www.robe.cz/patt-2017/
@@TylerEdwards Ah ok, I thought banding was something else. Like when you shoot a blue sky with an 8-bit camera and see those “steps” between the blue tones, instead of a smooth transition.
Love this breakdown man. Appreciate the depth and quality of work. Cant wait to be doing these kind of shoots myself
Super informative thanks for taking the time to show this BTS Tyler!
Thanks Greg! I appreciate you taking the time to watch!
I'm fully here for this type of content. Great work as always Tyler!
Heck ya, thanks so much!!
Eventually this could probably be done with fewer lights and a smaller crew you'd just also have to move them around when doing takes and plan it out a little bit better. Great project and approach I am just trying to encourage someone who might not have the same gear and crew to go after it.
I really don't mean to come across as too critical, but I think when sharing your setup in this form it should inspire discussions and critique in order to be truly helpful. And for every beginner looking at this, I might have some food for thought.
That being sad, I think you over-lit this shoot. Especially all the wide shots (4:42), but also the shots of the front man look so flat. There isn't much background separation, no color contrast, no dynamic. It comes from using such a huge soft light source without any further negative fill, flagging or using a grid. It just lights up the whole room and reflects everywhere. Sure, there are a lot of people to be lit, so if the client wanted everyone to be clearly visible and lit, maybe that's what you needed to do. But if the goal was to make it look interesting, I would have blocked the key light off on sides and top, so it's more controlled, toned all the lights down a little, worked with more darkness in the room and actually use all the backlighting from those beautiful practicals to create accents. An example of this would be this shoot I did years back: ua-cam.com/video/_ybjSJNF5Xw/v-deo.html
The singer definitely is too bright, because this huge keylight I used was a halogen lamp which couldn't be dimmed down further. But apart from that I think you can see the difference in control of the light, how backlights create visual contrast and accents and the overall picture isn't as flat.
Curious to hear what your thoughts are after the shoot and what you would do differently next time.
Cheers!
Thanks for your input! We had one day to load in, shoot an interview in another part of the venue, shoot 4 songs, and a message. That being said, it was a balance of time efficiency and filming. We needed everyone to be lit, so a big source was the best option. I personally didn’t think it was too flat, but I also didn’t want to make it look too contrasty and moody-it was a shoot for a Christmas Eve service for their church and there was a lot of energy in the songs. Had it been for a Good Friday service, that would be a different story. There was a little bit of color contrast but not much. They wanted a warm and inviting feeling and I thought we did a good job delivering on that. I added that one light to give subtle color contrast, but if I added much more color contrast with lights, it would have looked off too me-where would the motivation from that be coming from? There simply wasn’t enough time and budget to audition anything else. Given the budget I had to work with, there’s not much else I would have done to be honest. If we were just filming one song, there would definitely have been things I would’ve done differently.
@@TylerEdwards Hey Tyler, yeah that makes complete sense. The final look is so heavily affected by practical factors and what's realistic that day. I just shot a live band video over a full weekend for only 2 songs and time-wise it was still tight. You definitely delivered on the warm feeling!
Love ❤️ your work… keep it ⬆️
I need to get me some pro mist filters
Noice
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Thanks Tyler!! Great video, keep it up!
Thank you!!
I really like how thorough you are in this breakdown! thanks for sharing
Sounds like a full day. Love the end look, you guys did some stellar work. Thanks for sharing.
Which haze machine?
Great stuff as always Tyler! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks so much Marko!
fantastic job Tyler!
Thanks so much!
Man that church had one hell of a budget!
One might say it was a heavenly budget
I would love to know how you captured the audio!!!
The music was all pre-recorded, so it was just like a music video. Message was just lav mic into the ursa
@@TylerEdwards oh this makes so much sense!!! Want to get into love recordings
what was the sound situation
Very loud. Lol in all seriousness it was essentially a music video. Musicians played to a pre-recorded track.