Thingol was *not* considered Moriquende. He was one of the Calaquendi. "Great power Melian lent to Thingol, who was himself great among the Eldar; for he alone of all the Sindar had seen with his own eyes the Trees in the day of their flowering, and king though he was of Úmanyar, he was not accounted among the Moriquendi, but with the Elves of the Light, mighty upon Middle-earth." Silmarillion, Of Thingol and Melian
Thanks for correcting him. I would only add the he was one of the three ambassadors that the elves sent to Valinor to decide whether they should all go.
I love how almost all other Elves just go straight to Valinor to chill with the Valar and the Sindar are mostly just like, "Nah, lol, we'll just chill here for a while!"
Wrong. All the Vanyar and Noldor went to Valinor. Only the Sindar stayed back, their tribe was the largest group and separated to other subtribes like the Nandor, Falmar and Teler. Quenya is the language of the Noldor in Valinor
It was said by someone else below, but Elwe Singollo (Elu Thingol) was not a moriquendi; he did behold the Light of the Two Trees. The "light" of Melian was such that he felt satisfied in it and did not feel compelled to return to Valinor. It is because of Melian's and his (as a calaquendi) presence, the Sindar were neither Elves of the Light nor Elves of the Darkness, but instead "Grey Elves" or Elves of Twilight.
General characteristics of the Quendi: Tall, beautiful faces and body (Tolkien often uses the word lithe combined with the physical build of the character, be It strong or leaner, to indicate an elegante/shapely form and of graceful movement). Fair skin, often very pale and occasionally rudy complexion for those with red hair. Maidros is a good example of everything described here as he was very tall, strong, shapely/elegant in form and movement, very beautiful, red-brown-haired, fair skin but possibly with a rudy complexion. The Avari: Proto Eldar Noldor, Vanyar and Teleri, the oldest of elves belong to this clan. The name means "the refusers" but call themselves the originals. Less skilled in all things than the other clans because of their lack of contact with the Ainur or Exiles or Sindar. The Eldar: Strongest, most adventurer and valiant elves that decided to make the Great Journey. Also tallest for their woman were 'seldom less' than 6 feet tall and their men 'no less' than 6 foot 6. The male average is elsewhere described as about 7 feet, which makes sense considering their shortest. Also generally younger members at the time of the Journey. About 2/3 of the elven people at the time. Hadoreans and specially the Númenóreans were said to be hardly distinguishable from the Eldar until their youth lasted. The Eldar generally considered long hair very beautiful. The Eldar clans: 1. Teleri or Lindar: Generaly dark-haired, but not black as some of the Noldor clan. There are also those with fair hair, varying from very light blonde to white and silver-grey, these were generally related to Thingol's bloodline. They are said to be *'somewhat' less in stature and in build than the Noldor, but Tolkien used 'somewhat' heavily indicating Celeborn (called 'silver-tall' among his people) would not be considered tall among the Noldor, thus a noticible difference though not great, for they were in fact very similar to the Noldor in general, hardly distinguishable, specially those of Valinor who also had brighter eyes. They were, however, still described as 'strong' by Tolkien, indicating, in average, a stronger body than most clans of men. Their eye colour ranged from dark to grey to even blue (regarding those fair-haired). * somewhat was used to height differences up to 6 inches (Gimli somewhat taller than the hobbits). Even the 'petty-dwarves' were said to be 'somewhat' smaller than their kin despite their name. Just a bit of context, but is up for interpretation, even though is certainly a substantial/noticeable difference. 1.1. Lindar of Valinor: Exactly as was described above. They mastered the art of singing, they were also great ship builders and sailors. Brighter eyes than the other Teleri clans. 1.2. Sindar or Grey-elves: As was described in Teleri, but with less bright eyes, which was the chief distinction between them and the exiles. Their knowledge on forests (living and for military purpouses) was also among the greatest in history. Also great sailors and shipwrights in the case of the elves of the Falas and Balar. Greatest voices of the Eldar. 1.3. Nandor: Same characteristics, but they were afraid of the misty mountains at some point, indicating less courage and generally less strength. 1.3.1. Green elves: Eventually arrived in Beleriand through the Misty and Blue mountains. Vegetarian for the most part, take that as you wish regarding potential physical characteristics. 1.3.2. Silvan Elves: Not accounted among the Eldar according to the lore in LOTR. Also said to be hardly distinguishable to the Avari, in fact some Avari clans mixed with them through out millenia, thus probably a lack of stature and strength when compared to other Eldar clans as well as more *variable hair colour. *See 'The Avari' above and the other Eldar big clans hair characteristics. 2. Noldor: Described as physically strong and very tall (about 7 feet). The tallest and strongest of the Elven folk, also 'the mightiest of the children of the world'. The best overall smithcrafts of the world as well as the greatest loremasters, specially regarding linguistics. Their hair colour was in general very dark-brown or black, but red-brown, *golden and even silver (Míriel) was possible but very rare. Very bright eyes, generally grey and also in different "shades" of It like blue-grey, but also dark. High level of curiosity and want for knowledge when in comparison with the other clans. That natural ambition, high courage along with their great overall abilities and accomplishments makes them very prideful in general, the consequences of that can be very negative such as arrogance and supremacy (Feanor and some of his children). *Marriages between the clans were rare in Valinor except for the royal and noble houses, the Golden hair appears because of Vanyarin individuals marrying into the clan. 2.1. The Exiled Noldor: Many of them and their descendants intermarried with the Sindar during their years on ME. Thus some (future generations) were not so tall and spiritually enhanced as those original exiles. They also suffered a cultural "sindarization" that could be observed specially towards the language, but Quenya remained as the loremasters's language for their works. The culture among the exiles and their descendants was much more militaristic due to rampant wars when compared to other clans. They became the 'guardians of ME'. The Noldorin culture was the chief one that influenced the civilization of Númenór. 3. Vanyar: The name was given because of their golden hair, but also because they are considered the 'highest' of elves, the first ones. They were considered the *fairest of elves and the most loyal to the Valar, even lived nearer to them abandoning Tirion. As It was seen among the Noldor with Vanyar blood, they seemed to be less proud and wiser than the Noldor for the most part. They also loved music and poetry very much. Ingwe was considered by all elves of Aman as their High-King, thus they commanded a lot of respect from the other clans. *All Eldar were beautiful but is possible, since the loremasters are of Noldorin descent, that their love for gold and Its colour could've heavily influenced that view. Those are the basics.
Ah, the "unfallen" people. Or "what if" Adam and Eve didn't eat the forbidden fruit. There is a alternate version where Andreth (the women that fell in love with Finrod's Brother) said that the fathers of mankind fell because of Melkor, and became mortals.
The evolution of Tolkein fans. "Elves are the best and can do no wrong" "Ok, a few Elves are trouble" "Wow, the Elves are just as messed up and complicated as any other group"
Glad to see normal shows again, I loved the live stream just hated watching RoP just to see how much it upset me. I think for 3rd season I will just watch how much you all rate it.
Tolkien was an absolute genius, to have the imagination to create a whole new world, in middle earth the elves were his most fascinating beings. Tolkien, in my opinion was the greatest story teller of all time. Just give me more Thranduil and company and I am one happy fan.👍🇦🇺
Indeed. Like what is the difference between Lake Queveinen and Sea of Rhun? Is that lake in Mordor the remnants of Almaran (Eden) for the Years of The Lamps? BrokenSword, sir what is that background music??? I love it!
Thank you, guys, for another great video! The Noldor have always been the most fascinating to me among the elves. In my youth it was for their bravery and creativity, but now it's more for their mental and spiritual complexity. Whereas other elves found places for themselves in the world where they were content, the majority of the Noldor did not, and throughout the first three ages of the sun they struggle to find a lasting home in Middle-earth that is theirs on their own terms. Their innate desire to create items of power and ambition to preserve a way of life independent of the Valar gets them into trouble again and again. However, it is worth remembering that a significant part of the Noldor decided to remain in Valinor. Others chose to return there after The War of Wrath, or later in the second or third age, laying to rest their pride and ambitions. All in all, the Noldor are to my mind a people which Tolkien's mythos cannot do without. They shape Middle-earth's early history like no others. "The wedding of his father was not pleasing to Fëanor; and he had no great love for Indis, nor for Fingolfin and Finarfin, her sons. He lived apart from them, exploring the land of Aman, or busying himself with the knowledge and the crafts in which he delighted. In those unhappy things which later came to pass, and in which Fëanor was the leader, many saw the effect of this breach within the house of Finwë, judging that if Finwë had endured his loss and been content with the fathering of his mighty son, the courses of Fëanor would have been otherwise, and great evil might have been prevented; for the sorrow and strife in the house of Finwë is graven in the memory of the Noldorin Elves. But the children of Indis were great and glorious, and their children also; and if they had not lived the history of the Eldar would have been diminished."
The story of Fëanor is my favorite but the Elven culture that interests me the most is the Sindar. Even the name of their realm, Doriath sounds so enchanting.
Elves have always been my favorite Fantasy race, and while I'm not particularly a fan of Tolkien and his Elves, I do appreciate that he was the instigator for other modern fantasy games/stories, etc, featuring these magnificant creatures. I am so happy to be from Scandinavia, where Tolkien got his inspiration for his entire Legendarium. Elder Scrolls have some of my favorite elven races, the Bosmer being my absolute favorite, so I am thankful to Tolkien for being the inspiration for the people who invented Elder Scrolls.
We shouldn't forget about the Orcs and the Goblins; they are technically Elvish in origins, but have been corrupted to the point of being unrecognisable due to the evils of Morgoth. This is shown to be most prominent with the Rings of Power.
The lord Celeborn is Sinda, but the population of Lothlorien were a mix of Sindar and Silvan elves. A few Noldor too since Galadriel is a Noldo princess
Vast majority are silvan elves (mixture of Nandorin and Avari), but there are some few Sindar (mostly the cultural and ruling elite) and even some Noldor refugees from Eregion.
The flaw Tolkien drew in the Valar & Maiar of Aman in the 1st & 2nd Ages is what is today called, "helicopter parenting," in America. They missed Eru Illúvatar's intention for the Elves and rushed to rescue as many early Elves as they could into permanent isolation on Aman. Only one Vala (Ulmo) and Maia (Melian) cared about helping Elves in Middle Earth preserve & defend the good there in the 1st Age. Fëanor's folly still happened, which brought both ruin and an unwitting return to Eru's purpose. For the 2nd Age, the Valar rewarded the Edain Men for helping fight Morgoth by letting them become isolated on Númenor, and the corruption & Downfall still happened. Only in the 3rd Age did the Valar do the right thing for Elves, Men & Dwarves, sending the reduced-power Istari to Middle Earth to raise the Free Peoples up to defeat the Darkness by the means they were already born with and could themselves develop with just a few nudges here and there.
Hello again, Tolkienesque novelist D L Lindeman here. My Erdani Elves are divide into three "clans". Alphabetically they are the Auric (Aw Rik) "Shining Elves", Gilden (Gihl Dehn) "Golden Elves", and Purile (Per Reel) "Purple Eyed Elves". Each clan has three royal lines, most notable are those of Metrovia: Astradii "Stargazers", Veldranii "Treekeepers", & Mendakii "Spider Friends". I even have Half-Elves. Unlike in Tolkien's tales, the Half-Elves are ostracized by racially pure lineages of the "true" Elves. My Elves are not immortal, though they can live over 1000 years. A lifespan only surpassed by the Dragons.
Part of what makes the Noldor so compelling is their struggles, flaws, and overall tragic nature. The Vanyar are idealized and somewhat boring by comparison for having made the “right” decision. Never the less, I always wondered how the story might have been different if the elves had returned to middle earth united, led by Ingwe and the Vanyar against Morgoth.
what kind of radiation does the Two Trees emit that forces a mutation to the Valinor Elves? seems like there's a huge power gap between Calaquendi and Moriquendi
@@frenchsterr4708 Yes I know but what was the cause of that enlightenment and wisdom that enables them to Zerg rush Morgoth’s forces during the early years of the first Age?
Yes correct. Elu thingol is the only sinda elf to ever set foot in valinor and return to middle earth. Thats why he isn’t counted among the moriquendi unlike his people.
She is also a Vanyar - actually she's Teleri, too. She's like the perfect mix of all the Calaquendi. It's complicated. And, in Valinor? There are probably more powerful elf-women than she.
@@paulbrickler Was it her grandmother who is a Vanyar (Finwë’s 2nd wife) and her mother is Telari? I think I remember her hair as being a mix of the golden hair of the Vanyar and the silver hair of the Telari - essentially a parallel to the golden and silver light of the 2 trees. That was in part why Feanor asked for a strand of her hair to use in the making the Silmarils. She didn’t give him any btw which kinda makes her gift of 3 strands of her hair to Gimli even more meaningful.
Galadriel's mother was the daughter of the Telerei King Olwe, who was himself the brother of Thingol. Her father was Finarfin, who was the son of the Noldor King Finwe and of Indis of the Vanyar. So she was half Teleri and a quarter each of Vanyar and Noldor, bur she was raised as a Noldor princess.
You can always tell who the High Elves are. They have red eyes and giggle for no reason.
Not to mention they ate all the lembas bread
It took me a second to get that because I'm definitely a high elf right now😂😂😂 that's great I'm going to use that
This comment deserves to be pinned 🏆
So they are related to Kamala Harris? I knew that cackle of hers was not of human origin.
@@RoyCyberPunk Aaaand... you ruined it! Take your politics back to america and leave us alone!
Elu Thingol is my favorite character for the Silmarillion. He bagged an angel, after staring at her for years, not moving lol.
This made me laugh out loud...
He got killed by dwarves for not wanting to pay up
Thingol was *not* considered Moriquende. He was one of the Calaquendi.
"Great power Melian lent to Thingol, who was himself great among the Eldar; for he alone of all the Sindar had seen with his own eyes the Trees in the day of their flowering, and king though he was of Úmanyar, he was not accounted among the Moriquendi, but with the Elves of the Light, mighty upon Middle-earth."
Silmarillion, Of Thingol and Melian
CORRECT. HIS FOLLOWERS WAITED MANY YEARS FOR HIM IN ARDA AS HE WENT WITH FINWE AND OLWE AND THEIR RESPECTIVE FOLLOWERS TO VALINOR AND CAME BACK
@@goodputin4324 Psst, your Caps Lock is on.
Thanks for correcting him. I would only add the he was one of the three ambassadors that the elves sent to Valinor to decide whether they should all go.
@@ns8504 Correct. That is where he got to see and dwell in the light of the Two Trees.
I was looking for this correction 😊
I always enjoy watching videos about the history of the Elves
Me too.
The care for the lore and love for the material, particularly in the comments, is great to see
I love how almost all other Elves just go straight to Valinor to chill with the Valar and the Sindar are mostly just like, "Nah, lol, we'll just chill here for a while!"
Wrong. All the Vanyar and Noldor went to Valinor. Only the Sindar stayed back, their tribe was the largest group and separated to other subtribes like the Nandor, Falmar and Teler.
Quenya is the language of the Noldor in Valinor
@@goodputin4324 Cool, I edited it.
@@SirBoggins hannon le.
@@goodputin4324 🫡
It was said by someone else below, but Elwe Singollo (Elu Thingol) was not a moriquendi; he did behold the Light of the Two Trees. The "light" of Melian was such that he felt satisfied in it and did not feel compelled to return to Valinor. It is because of Melian's and his (as a calaquendi) presence, the Sindar were neither Elves of the Light nor Elves of the Darkness, but instead "Grey Elves" or Elves of Twilight.
@@therongjr exactly!
General characteristics of the Quendi: Tall, beautiful faces and body (Tolkien often uses the word lithe combined with the physical build of the character, be It strong or leaner, to indicate an elegante/shapely form and of graceful movement). Fair skin, often very pale and occasionally rudy complexion for those with red hair. Maidros is a good example of everything described here as he was very tall, strong, shapely/elegant in form and movement, very beautiful, red-brown-haired, fair skin but possibly with a rudy complexion.
The Avari: Proto Eldar Noldor, Vanyar and Teleri, the oldest of elves belong to this clan. The name means "the refusers" but call themselves the originals. Less skilled in all things than the other clans because of their lack of contact with the Ainur or Exiles or Sindar.
The Eldar: Strongest, most adventurer and valiant elves that decided to make the Great Journey. Also tallest for their woman were 'seldom less' than 6 feet tall and their men 'no less' than 6 foot 6. The male average is elsewhere described as about 7 feet, which makes sense considering their shortest. Also generally younger members at the time of the Journey. About 2/3 of the elven people at the time. Hadoreans and specially the Númenóreans were said to be hardly distinguishable from the Eldar until their youth lasted. The Eldar generally considered long hair very beautiful.
The Eldar clans:
1. Teleri or Lindar: Generaly dark-haired, but not black as some of the Noldor clan. There are also those with fair hair, varying from very light blonde to white and silver-grey, these were generally related to Thingol's bloodline. They are said to be *'somewhat' less in stature and in build than the Noldor, but Tolkien used 'somewhat' heavily indicating Celeborn (called 'silver-tall' among his people) would not be considered tall among the Noldor, thus a noticible difference though not great, for they were in fact very similar to the Noldor in general, hardly distinguishable, specially those of Valinor who also had brighter eyes. They were, however, still described as 'strong' by Tolkien, indicating, in average, a stronger body than most clans of men. Their eye colour ranged from dark to grey to even blue (regarding those fair-haired).
* somewhat was used to height differences up to 6 inches (Gimli somewhat taller than the hobbits). Even the 'petty-dwarves' were said to be 'somewhat' smaller than their kin despite their name. Just a bit of context, but is up for interpretation, even though is certainly a substantial/noticeable difference.
1.1. Lindar of Valinor: Exactly as was described above. They mastered the art of singing, they were also great ship builders and sailors. Brighter eyes than the other Teleri clans.
1.2. Sindar or Grey-elves: As was described in Teleri, but with less bright eyes, which was the chief distinction between them and the exiles. Their knowledge on forests (living and for military purpouses) was also among the greatest in history. Also great sailors and shipwrights in the case of the elves of the Falas and Balar. Greatest voices of the Eldar.
1.3. Nandor: Same characteristics, but they were afraid of the misty mountains at some point, indicating less courage and generally less strength.
1.3.1. Green elves: Eventually arrived in Beleriand through the Misty and Blue mountains. Vegetarian for the most part, take that as you wish regarding potential physical characteristics.
1.3.2. Silvan Elves: Not accounted among the Eldar according to the lore in LOTR. Also said to be hardly distinguishable to the Avari, in fact some Avari clans mixed with them through out millenia, thus probably a lack of stature and strength when compared to other Eldar clans as well as more *variable hair colour.
*See 'The Avari' above and the other Eldar big clans hair characteristics.
2. Noldor: Described as physically strong and very tall (about 7 feet). The tallest and strongest of the Elven folk, also 'the mightiest of the children of the world'. The best overall smithcrafts of the world as well as the greatest loremasters, specially regarding linguistics. Their hair colour was in general very dark-brown or black, but red-brown, *golden and even silver (Míriel) was possible but very rare. Very bright eyes, generally grey and also in different "shades" of It like blue-grey, but also dark. High level of curiosity and want for knowledge when in comparison with the other clans. That natural ambition, high courage along with their great overall abilities and accomplishments makes them very prideful in general, the consequences of that can be very negative such as arrogance and supremacy (Feanor and some of his children).
*Marriages between the clans were rare in Valinor except for the royal and noble houses, the Golden hair appears because of Vanyarin individuals marrying into the clan.
2.1. The Exiled Noldor: Many of them and their descendants intermarried with the Sindar during their years on ME. Thus some (future generations) were not so tall and spiritually enhanced as those original exiles. They also suffered a cultural "sindarization" that could be observed specially towards the language, but Quenya remained as the loremasters's language for their works. The culture among the exiles and their descendants was much more militaristic due to rampant wars when compared to other clans. They became the 'guardians of ME'.
The Noldorin culture was the chief one that influenced the civilization of Númenór.
3. Vanyar: The name was given because of their golden hair, but also because they are considered the 'highest' of elves, the first ones. They were considered the *fairest of elves and the most loyal to the Valar, even lived nearer to them abandoning Tirion. As It was seen among the Noldor with Vanyar blood, they seemed to be less proud and wiser than the Noldor for the most part. They also loved music and poetry very much.
Ingwe was considered by all elves of Aman as their High-King, thus they commanded a lot of respect from the other clans.
*All Eldar were beautiful but is possible, since the loremasters are of Noldorin descent, that their love for gold and Its colour could've heavily influenced that view.
Those are the basics.
@@kauetadaieski3131 Very nice
Ah, the "unfallen" people. Or "what if" Adam and Eve didn't eat the forbidden fruit. There is a alternate version where Andreth (the women that fell in love with Finrod's Brother) said that the fathers of mankind fell because of Melkor, and became mortals.
The evolution of Tolkein fans.
"Elves are the best and can do no wrong"
"Ok, a few Elves are trouble"
"Wow, the Elves are just as messed up and complicated as any other group"
Glad to see normal shows again, I loved the live stream just hated watching RoP just to see how much it upset me. I think for 3rd season I will just watch how much you all rate it.
Tolkien was an absolute genius, to have the imagination to create a whole new world, in middle earth the elves were his most fascinating beings. Tolkien, in my opinion was the greatest story teller of all time. Just give me more Thranduil and company and I am one happy fan.👍🇦🇺
I would love to see a video breaking down the geography of middle earth through the ages
Indeed. Like what is the difference between Lake Queveinen and Sea of Rhun? Is that lake in Mordor the remnants of Almaran (Eden) for the Years of The Lamps?
BrokenSword, sir what is that background music??? I love it!
Thank you, guys, for another great video! The Noldor have always been the most fascinating to me among the elves. In my youth it was for their bravery and creativity, but now it's more for their mental and spiritual complexity. Whereas other elves found places for themselves in the world where they were content, the majority of the Noldor did not, and throughout the first three ages of the sun they struggle to find a lasting home in Middle-earth that is theirs on their own terms. Their innate desire to create items of power and ambition to preserve a way of life independent of the Valar gets them into trouble again and again. However, it is worth remembering that a significant part of the Noldor decided to remain in Valinor. Others chose to return there after The War of Wrath, or later in the second or third age, laying to rest their pride and ambitions. All in all, the Noldor are to my mind a people which Tolkien's mythos cannot do without. They shape Middle-earth's early history like no others.
"The wedding of his father was not pleasing to Fëanor; and he had no great love for Indis, nor for Fingolfin and Finarfin, her sons. He lived apart from them, exploring the land of Aman, or busying himself with the knowledge and the crafts in which he delighted. In those unhappy things which later came to pass, and in which Fëanor was the leader, many saw the effect of this breach within the house of Finwë, judging that if Finwë had endured his loss and been content with the fathering of his mighty son, the courses of Fëanor would have been otherwise, and great evil might have been prevented; for the sorrow and strife in the house of Finwë is graven in the memory of the Noldorin Elves. But the children of Indis were great and glorious, and their children also; and if they had not lived the history of the Eldar would have been diminished."
I wasn't a lord of the rings fan till the movies came out but I've always been a total nerd so these lore videos are right up my street ha ha
I always hoped the high elves just smoked a bunch of long bottom leaf
The story of Fëanor is my favorite but the Elven culture that interests me the most is the Sindar. Even the name of their realm, Doriath sounds so enchanting.
Again another great video.
Elves have always been my favorite Fantasy race, and while I'm not particularly a fan of Tolkien and his Elves, I do appreciate that he was the instigator for other modern fantasy games/stories, etc, featuring these magnificant creatures. I am so happy to be from Scandinavia, where Tolkien got his inspiration for his entire Legendarium.
Elder Scrolls have some of my favorite elven races, the Bosmer being my absolute favorite, so I am thankful to Tolkien for being the inspiration for the people who invented Elder Scrolls.
thank you
Oy! Don't look at me!
=3
Great video! I'm biased towards the Noldor, for obvious reasons.
The Broken Sword: Please do a video of Angband and Utumno geographies and history, Morgoth fortresses.
Thingol and Turgon are my favorites.
We shouldn't forget about the Orcs and the Goblins; they are technically Elvish in origins, but have been corrupted to the point of being unrecognisable due to the evils of Morgoth. This is shown to be most prominent with the Rings of Power.
"Orcs and the Goblins" you don't need to say both names, they're the same thing
@@ethans9379 Yea, forgot about that.
This notion has probably being abandoned by Tolkien.
Deep dive on the sindar
Can you do a video for their languages?
Could you do a character history video on Ecthelion? Would love to see it! Keep up the great work :)
8:20 you've made an error, as Thingol was counted among The Calaquendi, sole of the Sindar in MiddleEarth, as well as among the Umanyar
How many types of elves dwelt in Lothlorien by type? And what were their percentages if known?
The lord Celeborn is Sinda, but the population of Lothlorien were a mix of Sindar and Silvan elves. A few Noldor too since Galadriel is a Noldo princess
Vast majority are silvan elves (mixture of Nandorin and Avari), but there are some few Sindar (mostly the cultural and ruling elite) and even some Noldor refugees from Eregion.
The flaw Tolkien drew in the Valar & Maiar of Aman in the 1st & 2nd Ages is what is today called, "helicopter parenting," in America. They missed Eru Illúvatar's intention for the Elves and rushed to rescue as many early Elves as they could into permanent isolation on Aman. Only one Vala (Ulmo) and Maia (Melian) cared about helping Elves in Middle Earth preserve & defend the good there in the 1st Age. Fëanor's folly still happened, which brought both ruin and an unwitting return to Eru's purpose. For the 2nd Age, the Valar rewarded the Edain Men for helping fight Morgoth by letting them become isolated on Númenor, and the corruption & Downfall still happened. Only in the 3rd Age did the Valar do the right thing for Elves, Men & Dwarves, sending the reduced-power Istari to Middle Earth to raise the Free Peoples up to defeat the Darkness by the means they were already born with and could themselves develop with just a few nudges here and there.
Hello again, Tolkienesque novelist D L Lindeman here. My Erdani Elves are divide into three "clans". Alphabetically they are the Auric (Aw Rik) "Shining Elves", Gilden (Gihl Dehn) "Golden Elves", and Purile (Per Reel) "Purple Eyed Elves". Each clan has three royal lines, most notable are those of Metrovia: Astradii "Stargazers", Veldranii "Treekeepers", & Mendakii "Spider Friends". I even have Half-Elves. Unlike in Tolkien's tales, the Half-Elves are ostracized by racially pure lineages of the "true" Elves. My Elves are not immortal, though they can live over 1000 years. A lifespan only surpassed by the Dragons.
Where can I find out more about these Elves?
So the Calaquendi are the Light Elves, while Moriquendi are the Dark Elves.
Correct.
Pleaae do this for the dwarves :)
Part of what makes the Noldor so compelling is their struggles, flaws, and overall tragic nature.
The Vanyar are idealized and somewhat boring by comparison for having made the “right” decision.
Never the less, I always wondered how the story might have been different if the elves had returned to middle earth united, led by Ingwe and the Vanyar against Morgoth.
what kind of radiation does the Two Trees emit that forces a mutation to the Valinor Elves? seems like there's a huge power gap between Calaquendi and Moriquendi
Elves from the west have great wisdom and their spirits are enlightened considerably more than those of middle earth.
@@frenchsterr4708
Yes I know but what was the cause of that enlightenment and wisdom that enables them to Zerg rush Morgoth’s forces during the early years of the first Age?
No mutation, their spirits are enhanced, nothing more. However the spirit has great influence in the power of the body also.
Fëanor is the OG Karen of middle earth
When we bought my house I told my husband Elrond is going to be peeved I'm back. My hubby answered, Who is Elrond? Sigh
But Thingol did see the trees or is my memory malfunctioning?
When "never saw Valinor" is said, you mean in life, correct? Because they all go to the halls of Manos the Hands of Fate, right?
Yes correct. Elu thingol is the only sinda elf to ever set foot in valinor and return to middle earth. Thats why he isn’t counted among the moriquendi unlike his people.
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Thank God it's not a rop video! I'll be so happy when that stupid ass show goes under!
Same here!!
So Galadriel is not a Vanyar? So there are probably more powerful Elven women than her?
She is also a Vanyar - actually she's Teleri, too. She's like the perfect mix of all the Calaquendi. It's complicated.
And, in Valinor? There are probably more powerful elf-women than she.
@@paulbrickler Was it her grandmother who is a Vanyar (Finwë’s 2nd wife) and her mother is Telari? I think I remember her hair as being a mix of the golden hair of the Vanyar and the silver hair of the Telari - essentially a parallel to the golden and silver light of the 2 trees. That was in part why Feanor asked for a strand of her hair to use in the making the Silmarils. She didn’t give him any btw which kinda makes her gift of 3 strands of her hair to Gimli even more meaningful.
Galadriel's mother was the daughter of the Telerei King Olwe, who was himself the brother of Thingol. Her father was Finarfin, who was the son of the Noldor King Finwe and of Indis of the Vanyar. So she was half Teleri and a quarter each of Vanyar and Noldor, bur she was raised as a Noldor princess.
No, Luthien probably is. She was able to put a spell on MELKOR
@@stumpe9662 Luthien is the most powerful among children of eru but she's not exactly a full elf, being a half Maia and all
Aliens
I wish you call them elves instead of alves
The intro that I've heard for the last few weeks is gross push, I love your content and have been here for years but.... yuck, just yuck.