The Three Mistakes HSMTMTS Made with Rina: A Video Essay
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- Опубліковано 3 бер 2024
- Ricky & Gina: Their Complete Story (Extended Version) | HSMTMTS
• Ricky & Gina: Their Co...
Decoding the Rina-Coded Moments in HSMTMTS: Season 1
• Decoding the Rina-Code...
00:00 No explicit chocolate reveal
16:03 S2 & S3 are paced too differently
26:51 S4 (& S3) are paced too quickly - Розваги
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I agree the writing went from very subtle in season 2 to on the nose obvious in season 3 that feels very jarring which is why you get people saying it came out of nowhere.
Honestly, the only things wrong with their story are just technical problems. The pacing and the Subtext/Text.
I think the reason why Ricky was so adamant about listening to Gina is because he felt the same thing she was going through especially because Nini wasn’t there.That’s the same reason why Gina turned to EJ.
Their story be like: Meeting, Falling in love, Ricky runs away, They fall out, They go their separate ways, Ricky breaks up with Nini, Gina gets with EJ, They patch up their friendship, Ricky realises he has feelings for Gina, They get together, Their past catches up to them, Rickys Redemption in the Rain, Then Ricky shouts that hes gonna love her for the rest of his life.
agree with all especially the second one i just wish we saw more of Ricky's feeling portrayed not so hidden to the point were you cant tell what he feels.
i love these videos, keeping the rina fandom alive!!
Always sharp.
Sorry for just commenting now lol I just found the time to actually watch all the way through and can I just say your 3 points are expertly done and well thought out. You’ve definitely made me re think some things about Rina that I didn’t even realize before. Another fantastic video as usual and we gotta find some time to do a livestream or a video or something together so we can talk about all this!
I’m glad you enjoyed it. We definitely should!
first of all, i want to say this video is so incredibly done and i'm always in awe of your analyses and how you interpret the little details!
i wish we would've gotten more insight w/ ricky's pov in s2 because it truly haunts me to this day trying to figure out why ricky did some of the things he did. we can guess all we want, but including a chocolates confirmation in some form would've given more insight into s2 rina.
also i completely agree about the pacing feeling so rushed in s3 and 4... it really threw me off with how abrupt it seemed after being so subtle. i was bothered by the whole seemingly unnecessary lily storyline going into s3 too. since the writers clearly put the love triangle front and center in s3, i can see how it felt forced to casual viewers. in s4, there was so much going on with the rina dynamic that it was sometimes hard for me to digest. however, with the timeframe of 8 episodes, i think writers did the best they could. specifically, the fast-paced rina dynamics in s3 and 4 felt so different from s1 and 2, where they was more "slowburn-esque." still, as someone who has been a rina truther for some time, i was just happy to get whatever storyline between them unfolded. never getting over them!
I have such mixed feelings on the second issue, because I totally agree with you that more consistent pacing between S2 and S3 would help more casual viewers or non-Rina shippers see the build towards Rina... but I also have reservations about the alternative, such as their unresolved feelings (particularly Ricky's) being more obvious in S2, or if Gina /didn't/ cut Ricky off, allowing them to continue to interact.
One thing I love about the "love triangles" in this show is that they don't include one person being endlessly torn between two others, often ping-ponging between them. Ricky's relationship with Nini didn't work out because they were fundamentally bad for each other, not due to his unresolved feelings for Gina, and likewise, Gina's relationship with EJ couldn't work due to reasons unrelated to Ricky. I guess I'd be concerned that if Ricky's feelings for Gina were made more obvious when he's with Nini, the reasons for their breakup could be obfuscated from the reality that they hold each other back and need to outgrow one another.
I also think it was important for Gina to cut her friendship off from Ricky, and I appreciated that she was allowed to truly open herself up to new relationships and fully pursue them. Each time I try to envision an alternate story where there's more moments in S2b to showcase Ricky or Gina's feelings for each other, I keep seeing something similar to what happened with Jim, Pam, and Karen in S3 of The Office. Even after moving to try to honestly move on, Jim still couldn't emotionally leave Pam in the past, and he finally ended things with Karen due to his unresolved feelings for Pam, not because they weren't the best fit. While this did make for good TV, it was still pretty messy, and I find those characters' choices and behaviors less mature than the S2 and S3 storylines in HSMTMTS.
There's one scenario I can think of to showcase Ricky's unresolved feelings for Gina in S2b that won't risk them overshadowing the reasons Ricky and Nini already don't work... remove the subplot of him dating Lily (which I /do/ still believe is to hint that he's subconsciously looking for a second chance with Gina, as you speculated previously) and instead, after he's mourned his breakup with Nini, have him realize all he's lost while he was clinging to that relationship, which includes his friendship with Gina. That way Gina still sets her boundaries and moves forward, Ricky still respects said boundaries, and he realizes a little sooner how much Gina meant to him without "jumping from girl to girl" as some claim.
I hope I'm making sense.... basically, how S2 played out was important for both Ricky and Gina's characters, and I loved that there were still subtle moments to communicate that Ricky and Gina are being prepared for each other and wouldn't want that to change. However, I also agree that there's a consistency issue between S2 and S3 (and I would add on that there's a framing issue in S1 with Rini) that works against the grander story for Rina.
I think there were ways to fix S2B’s pacing in S2A and still prep it for S3’s high gear pace without actually changing the story or even really affecting Rini or Portwell. If Ricky and Gina had had any type of conversation about having unresolved feelings, including a fight, where Ricky admitted to having confusing feelings - which could have happened anywhere between 3-5 - that could have more definitively influenced Gina to cut Ricky off in ep 6. Ricky admitting to having feelings doesn’t mean he has to ping pong like so many shows do as you mentioned. He could admit it, want nothing to change, Gina could do the mature thing and cut him off so she can move on, start the thing with EJ as it happened. Ricky refocuses on Nini and they clash and breakup. Ricky spends 2B grieving then in ep 11/12 shows more obvious uncomfortableness with EJ being into Gina. Bam, ready for S3. You could even keep the Lily thing cause it would still be about Rina. The pacing would still be off but at least the transition would be less jarring.
@@multi--edits I agree, that could work quite well! I personally do think it's important for Gina to not know where she stands with Ricky during S2, since her believing she misunderstood their relationship has ramifications later that season and is also what leads her to consider her interactions with Ricky in S3 broadly as platonic, not romantic, despite having their original dynamic. It also gives more power to her arc of finding true confidence and security in herself, being able to truly walk away with her head held high regardless of if he ever felt the same or not. So I guess the one caveat I would add is that Ricky admits having confused feelings in a confessional to the audience rather than to Gina.
Ricky's writing in 2x05 is so weird... I think your hypothesis is the best we'll get, but it still seems so off...
great video! honestly, i think the fact that s3 had a weekly release made it feel less rushed to me on my initial watch because i had time to sit with the events of each episode before moving on to the next. plus, as somewhat of a casual viewer who wasn't tuned into fandom theories, i had very little hope for rina by the end of s2, so when the first hint was dropped at the end of s3e1 i was ecstatic! then, all the subsequent, albeit glaring in hindsight, rina indicators made s3 soooo fun because i couldn't believe it was actually happening. i also still found myself so pleasantly surprised (more like over the moon) by the end of the s3 finale because i thought it would be too soon for rina to become official but then the time jump solved that! anyway, this is why i wish s4 was also a weekly release to combat how fast paced it was. i also think it could have benefited from introducing some storylines earlier to make them more drawn out even within the short amount of time they had. it always felt like the conflicts or plot points were quickly resolved and then the storyline would quickly move on to the next issue which made s4 a bit clunky. like dani wanting to know everything about ricky kinda going nowhere and mack wanting to fake date gina being shut down in the next episode. speaking of clunkiness, i also might have preferred if the flashbacks were interspersed throughout the season instead of shoved into that single awkward 6th episode lol or at least paced more smoothly; and like you said, i would've liked if ricky's feelings growing from puppy love to love love had more of a buildup for us as viewers. i also really really really wish the chocolates were addressed head on because the way it was handled left me with so many questions like why did it seem like terri didn't even know who ricky was? idk i love rina sm so despite the flaws in the show they're still my otp and my biggest ship win and i always have to cheers to that.
btw what do you think about the "i love you too, ricky" in the thanksgiving hat? even though it's a nice callback and full circle moment or whatever, it's always baffling to me to think of s1 gina writing that. i think i would have preferred if she just told him she loved him back in the series finale and the hat stitch said something else, but then again it's hard for me to think of what a better hidden message would've been...
Yeah as cute as "I love you too Ricky" is, i don't know if I buy it. but then again looking back, that was definitely more than a friendship gesture from Gina and she was so nervous to give it to him. and she is very ambitious and far sighted with her goals so I guess it kinda works. Though I think she probably would've just stitched R+G or G♡R type of message instead of a full "if your reading this, i love you too ricky"
But yeah they definitely should've overtly confirmed the chocolates and/or maybe even had Ricky and Gina's mom talk about it or something. But yeah if you weren't in a Rina state of mind, their development goes over your head or way too fast.
i literally ghostwrote this 😂
Very good analysis as always ❤
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