Great video, really like when less talked about characters are discussed. Only problem i could see in the theory is that having dream nail voice lines is indicative of the characters dreaming, since zote has one yet he states that he doesnt dream
Gonna be real, I always just kinda thought Emelitia was a little crazy. She’s been alone for so long, and loneliness can mess you up. She was outcast before the infection, so I imagine she had resentment for her fellow bugs. She got the last laugh in the end, and just kept laughing. I suspected the flowers were some way of keeping her alive, nothing more. She was content to sit there, laughing, so there was no point in giving in to the infection. Why bother, when she has everything she wants? She got the last laugh. She outlived everyone. She survived. Although, you have to wonder… is surviving really better than dying in this situation? Emelitia is completely alone, and I suspect she has some moments of lucidity in what I see as her madness. After all, sometimes, her endless hysterical laughter sounds like crying. Perhaps the Radiance simply can’t access her mind correctly, due to this insanity. Perhaps Emelitia is too far gone to succumb, even in her moments where she realized exactly how alone she is. Because in the end, she always had the last laugh. I have no clue about Salubra lmao. I never even thought about her. Idk why, but I got attached to Emelitia, not Salubra. Anyway, sorry for the essay. I just like discussing theories.
Well, I suppose it could possibly be that she says that the knight is "divine" and that she "must hold it together", but she can't, because said knight is "just too divine", so she's laughing at the though of the knight? Eh, seeing my thought typed out here makes me second guess it...
Uh… I’ve deleted my unfinished save file.. and challenged myself to play till I’ve reached Eternal Emilitia. (Not one of my favorite characters, but she’s up there) that’s how bored I am Edit: I played in 2019. And haven’t played for 2 years. I’m rusty af
Is there something in that lore theory of yours as to why grubs and salubra dont use masks? And why the Grubfather laughs just like Salubra when it becomes the Grub cacoon ready to burst with little grublettes? Maybe they're just not affected by the infection?
@@araara7031 Sure sure, but what do the grubs and caterpillars have that they aren't affected by the Radiance's influence (infection)? I think there's something related to the moths, grubs, and catepillars. We dont even know what the fate of the Stags really was. Just ideas for future content lol
Grubfather is sad and boo hooing when you first meet him without any grubs saved. And then he starts to laugh and cheer when you start saving them. So it’s kinda separate And just by the LOOK on the map the infection never infects the grubs because they are all in glass jars by the collector supposedly and nor does the infection even reach inside the grub room which is where I would start to agree with your speculation. After all Seer as a Moth didn’t wear a mask nor was infected and I’m pretty sure all the Snail Shamans are just wearing hats. And I don’t think Tiso is wearing a mask under his hood, and I’m pretty sure that’s quirrels face under the Dreamer mask he wears atop his head. Also I’m pretty sure that’s just Elderbugs face because like Zote the mouth moves when taking which Makes plausible sense but it’s not like there’s many masked talking bugs with moving mouths in the game tbf 🤔 and Hollow Knight, Hornet and Ghost’s mouth areas are just smoothed over like all Vessels/ their weird family tree.
Would've been interesting to see the flowers lose their effect on Emelitia after defeating a Dreamer. The flowers too weak to really keep her going. Where did she even get these flowers in the first place? Maybe the same, distant lands where the Delicate Flowers come from? Seeing how the Shade Lord couldn't overpower the Delicate Flower, who's to say the Amalitia flowers couldn't exactly stop her from being infected. This is all obviously speculation, but really interesting. Salubra stood out to me durring my first playtrough, so seeing someone give attention to her lore really makes me happy! Keep up the fantastic work.
@@MrBee-iy5ed the Radiance isn't fighting harder though, why should she? The kingdom of Hallownest is already dead. There's more chance that the build up of infection inside the black egg escapes because one of the dreamers died, therefore the seal is weaker.
0:16 I love how you made the Knight jump off screen but with no transition, it creates a really cool effect that suddenly throw you out of the gameplay and into the video.
The Thing about this: Both Emelitia and Salubra stop laughing if you talk to them. if it really is somthing related to drugs, why seem they able to control it?
People who are high are able to stop laughing to listen to people, it's just that because the drugs make them more carefree their natural state becomes one of laughter.
I think you are close but incorrect. I don't think there is anything special that keeps/kept or is keeping Salubra alive... Some bugs can just live for long periods of time Bardoon and Seer are very old. Biased on their dialog they seem like were alive before the Pale King came along and before Hallownest came to be, and there is nothing special or supernatural that you argue or point to that is keeping them alive. Unlike you could with other old NPC's Like: Mask Maker, The Snail Shaman, and Midwife. For a great example of what I am talking about. look at Confessor Jiji's and Steal Soul Jinn's dialogue they both EXPLICITLY state they they both were put into or went into or were in a long slumber when or after they came to Hallownest. Salubra's line of it is rare to see bugs to visit her store is far more tame in comparison to what Jiji and Jinn say. It is unclear how old Salubra is but if I had to hazard a guess I think she is around the age of Lemm both know things about Hallownest's past but likely did not live through them. One counter argument I here you say is "but Lemm is an archeologist and Salubra is not" While this is true...Salubra is a charm seller she sells trinkets. What store good store owner knows nothing about the products they sell? So even though Salubra is not an expert like Lemm is. Because she does collet and sell charms it would make sense for her to know a little bit about Hallownest's past. Lots of other NPC's say it is rare to see new bugs too but I can't name them all ATM. I just think Salubra is just happy in general and more importantly flirtatious she says many times that she thinks the knight is hot. That's why she is always laughing or in a good mood... She might just be down bad :P. Now Emilita on the other hand it is fairly clear she is being kept alive by the flowers around her. This is VERY noteworthy because this is yet another plant with special powers in a very long line of plants the have special powers. Such as: The Delicate flowers, possibly the flowers in Pharloom. The White Lady is a plant and God Seeker asks if she could be "one of them" what ever that means, Life Blood in some ways is a plant, Isma is a plant. You get the idea that plants are important in the world of Hollowknight and likely will be important to Silksong's lore too. Where I disagree is it is not any gas from the flowers is what's keeping Emilitia alive. You don't really see any smoke like effects in her room. What do you see? A faint pink light... Yep that's right I think it is the light from the flowers that is keeping Emilitia alive. What's really interesting about Emilitia's dialogue are two line that I think tell us everything. 1. She was a member of Hallownest's elite but was cast out for some unsaid/unstated/unknown reason, 2. She seems to know that the Delicate flower has some power to it. Saying its light is no match for the Pale King's light...BUT she needs to take care of her own flowers, she call's the delicate flower dim, and claims her flowers superior to the the delicate flower (possibly implying that her flowers are better than the pale king). So putting 2 and 2 together. We know the pale king did not like others using powers he did not approve of. We know how the Pale king felt about Life Blood. So it is not unreasonable to assume Emilitia's love of or position of her flowers IS what got her cast out from Hallownest's elite. As for what Emilitia's flowers are...Your guess is as good as mine. I am not sure or convinced it is higher being stuff...but is sure is interesting and worth keeping in the back of our minds for other future lore speculation
The issue is more with them not having any food, and just being normal bugs in a “normal” state. Jiji and Jinn were hibernating or something, jinn might be a robot or something, and jiji is so hungry when she wakes up that she’ll eat all the rancid eggs you bring her. The connection here (in terms of the flowers keeping them in that state of mind) is strong enough that I believe it, especially because, as said in the video, neither of them ever leave their tiny rooms. You can (sort of, not very well) explain away salubra’s laughing, but I don’t think you can just say “yeah she doesn’t feel like leaving” without bringing up questions.
@@bell2023 Ya but how many other NPCs do we see or hear eat talk about eating or wanting food? Not many. Not Sly....Not Elderbug, Not Bretta, not Zote. Where's my Hungry Hornet? Willing suspension of disbelief my guy
@@earthboundkid1 But are any of those NPCs trapped in their rooms forever? All of them have access to food (besides those of them who are in some sort of dormant state). And what about them both explicitly never leaving their rooms? (And both laughing? Salubra constantly before she ever even sees you. And both having a pink glow around them?)
Oh and both sly and elderbug mention wanting food. Edit: I was incorrect, it’s only Elderbug. But also jiji and tuk need food, and it can be very reasonably assumed that they all do.
This is so underrated... the deep research and exaggerated focus on the small details was simply admirable. Added to the succesful humor for such a depressing analysis (especially the Radiance part). Phenomenal video man, keep it up!
why are flowers so powerful in hollow knight? we really only see them two places, Emelitia and the delicate flower. Edit: you also see some in the Pleasure House
I think Emilitia's dialogue during the flower quest can shed some light on her resisting the infection, as she states that 'the light from the flower is nothing compared to the light from the king,' or something along those lines. She was an outcast amongst her peers during the kingdom's time so she wouldn't ever feel the need to leave her house during the time of the game, though she is aware of the fate of her peers by that point and would also probably know that going outside isn't safe, effectively making her a prisoner. I think that she just went crazy over time that her peers all shunned her yet fell prey to the infection, while her devotion to only the king's light carried her to survive as her entire society crumbled around her. This doesn't discount whatever effects the flowers may have but her behavior and survival can equally be attributed to her own stated past. It also doesn't help with Salubra at all... On thinking of it, it may be equally possible that Emilitia eats the flowers to survive, which could point to the laughing gas-like symptoms she has. Either way, interesting video!
I'll say this, if you were baked off your mind off of mystical flowers & incense SO Strong that even the infection couldn't ensnare you & the unity of all minds wasn't tempting enough.... I want what they're having. I dunno might even be such a strong psychedelic that they're on their own worlds living out their greatest fantasies forever and that's why they don't leave......... Or everyone around them dying just made them shut in and go crazy 🤷
Спасибо за новое видео, дружище! Я мог бы написать комментарий на английском, но не судьба... Довольно интересную тему ты поднял, как всегда! Ещё раз спасибо, что возвращаешься на Ютуб.
Ogrim dosen't want to find out what happened to Isma, and guess what he's also laughing constantly. I don't think he's on flowers though I think he just puts himself in this mental state. Basically if you're more careless and there's no unnecessary memories and don't have lingering memories you're less vulnerable to infection.
Thats just raid ads in general honestly their annoying, but hey at least he has better delivery than most youtubers, sadly the script is probably supposed to be that long
tbh I think that, hmm, "drugs" not connected with this. Salubra doesn't come out most likely due to her weight (it seems, she's not able to move at all) and she simply doesn't know what's happening outside, so she remains joyful. Emilitia doesn't want to go out at all so as not to die, and her laugh is kinda hysterical tho
That fate sounds fine to me. For real. How is that worse than death? You just don't care! Any reason you can come up with, doesn't matter. You don't care! It's 100% bliss...
Ok ok ok, just hear me out We know that there is a definite separation between soul and dream. We know each has a counter part, soul to void, and dream to nightmare. Let's talk about nightmare. If I'm reading between the lines correctly it seems that Nightmare is what you get when you take dream essence and "burn" it. The grim Troup uses the burning dream for seemingly everything, from lightning their lanterns (evidenced by the particle affects around the torch in the howling cliffs) to their sustaining the nightmare hart in the ritual. With that out of the way let's swap tracks to the soul-dream void-nightmare counterparts. We know that the delicate flowers which seem to be almost nothing but pure soul energy (evidenced by how the petals disintegrate after being exposed to enough void). We also have the whispering willow trees which are connected to dreem. If we are to follow the trend we can arrive at the conclusion that it is possible for other plants to exist that have connections to these substances counterparts. Now here's my idea. If a plant exists that is connect to nightmare, it can't possibly live vary long without an abundance of dream in the area. We know that burning essence gives off light visible even to those who can't see or deal with dream (ok we don't *know* that but I think it's a safe assumption due to elderbug and jijis reactions to the Troup). So those flowers have to give of some kind of light when in the presence of dream. What if amilitia flowers *are* the nightmare flowers, they glow because of the abundance of infection in the air Wich we know to be dreamborn, they burn up the infection keeping people near them safe! Diving further into speculation it is possible that salubaras incense is made from amilitia flowers and burning them offer similar affects, burning up the infection in the surrounding area. Another thing to note, as nightmare burns at dream, Wich we know to be connected to mind memory and thought, long-term exposure may cause damage to the mind and it is very slowly burned away.
Sorry for replying 1 year later, but I just wanted to say that I very much like this idea and wonder whether the dream trees are the "dream" plant, and the void imprint in the abyss is some form of void plant? Probably stupid. Anyway, hope silksong clears things up a bit.
Although they have dreams, the flowers probably mess up their minds so much that they're completely happy as they are and can't possibly think of anything they could do to be happier, and so they don't have any dreams in the sense of goals, or cravings. For example, the crystal peaks people think they will be happier when they are rich and have crystals. Salubra doesn't think she can be any happier because the flower makes her only thinks about charms and she already has those so she's fine where she is
Great video although one thing you missed that you literally show in the video and ignored was salubra’s dream nail dialogue She talks about he she is fearing for her life due to the present of the knight but she must keep appearing calm This means her mind isn’t completely fractured and she can still feel stuff besides endlessly laughing
I think if calling the Pale Lurker "insane" it's clear that Emelitia is on that spectrum too. Whether or not she's on a substance or not is not really neccesary to explain anything. Same with Salubra. From their dialogue Emelitia seems to swing between genuine schadenfreude, and despair, whilst Salubra almost seems like she's dissociating somewhat; her phrasing implies there are people in the village as far as she knows, but at times there is: Menderbug and Sly are there, even if you don't count the husks. It could be that if anything the insence in Salubra's shop is opium, which would make some sense if you take into consideration when she likely made her shop and the general style of most of the "civilised" parts of Hallownest. Emelitia could be starving for all we know, in some sense of the word, and long term loneliness, great suffering, and starvation can lead to delirium, which could fully explain her state. In contrast the Pale Lurker is like a feral; barely cohesive in thought, and trying desperately to protect herself - her traps and running away. Honestly, everyone in the game is somewhere on the "not quite sane" spectrum.
I hate to burst the bubble, but I feel you forgot to mention the part of dream nail dialogue with salubra which directly implies that she knows there's little to no life outside her hut, setting her on edge but reminding her she needs to keep up appearance anyway. As for Emilita, I think she's just crazy and loves the fact she outlived (broad statement) her fellow city denizens who outcasted her. That's just my two cents though.
This is what happens when a Fandom doesn't get any content for 3 years, not that the theory is bad, just sounds completely insane, and is the product of not having anything to theorize about
Honestly, so many people are caught up in the ideas the Undertale posed - is it necessary to kill to survive? does showing mercy give you a better outcome? That a lot of people ignore the follow up questions we see in Hollow Knight. What is mercy? Maybe death is a mercy compared to eternity. A song that never ends is no song at all.
Lifeblood is an anti-infection. For one thing, it is the polar opposite color to the infection, and has similar properties, like the lifeseeds, but is different.
Quick question, we see lightseeds in the crossroads only once it is infected, however it also appears in the ancient basin. I understand why they appear in the crossroads(because it is infected), but what makes the ancient basin special enough to have these, considering the infection hasn’t affected nearby areas as badly?
I love that people like you and Mossbag are still looking into the minutiae of Hollow Knight lore, speculating about the tiniest details and still coming up with interesting and viable theories. Keep it up, we’re still very much interested! :D
A more morbid theory is that the red flowers that Emelita and Salubra use as incense are Poppy flowers. Poppy seeds can be used in baked goods like muffins, however when the flower is burnt, the chemical in the flower-opium-to feel a certain high. This would make sense as their constant laughing behavior and the fact the infection hasn’t killed them yet are both answerable by the fact they are constantly high-but it also explains how they live so long if they decide to convert the flowers into some type of food. This even matched the “fate worse than death” the video mentioned-they’re addicts to the drug and see no purpose in life other than to get high and in Emelita’s case watch the world burn. As for anyone wondering why the Knight/Ghost isn’t affected, perhaps the fact they are made of void makes them naturally immune to certain poisons like the Gulka mentioned at the beginning of the video. Why in God’s name would they need Isma’s Tear, IDK-probably a concession made by Team Cherry to make a pool of liquid that will damage you until a certain upgrade.
I honestly think that lifeblood acts as a parasite. Seeing what Joni’s blessing does, that’s probably what it does in its final stage. It liquifies your insides, and turns you into a cocoon. The reason it gives you masks is because it acts as a curse in disguise. An unsuspecting bug eats the lifeblood for extra resistance, and catches the parasite. It would probably take a few years, which explains why the knight isn’t killed by it
6:09 Uh... You sure 'bout that? There seems to be a fairly large amount of what appears to be reddish-pink smoke in her room. Not as much as Salubra has, but still quite a lot.
Although is being eternally content a fate worse then death is another question. We might see it as suffering, but they probably see it as eternal youth or something. I dunno, best horror themes are left like this, very vague.
"My God, kids, what have I told you about drugs?!" - "That there's the right place and the right time for that, and that's when a weird infection hits the kingdom and turns its inhabitants into husks!"
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FINALLY someone remembers that the hunter canonically did drugs
sorry but when I was completing the hunter's journal I didn't pay full attention to the entries after a bit
The real reason he’s in green path:
@@girlypop-bell *it’s the good koosh*
@@girlypop-bell weed path
@@undercookedsalmon lean peaks
Hollow Knight lore after not getting new content for 2 years:
Bug weed
Yes
Bug weed
Great video, really like when less talked about characters are discussed.
Only problem i could see in the theory is that having dream nail voice lines is indicative of the characters dreaming, since zote has one yet he states that he doesnt dream
Love receiving more lore from my favorite bug game. Love the the video Cc keep up the good work ❤
The sponsor transition with the coughing Knight Plush was intresting
I don't know about eternally, they have to run out of drugs sooner or later
They might not have a purpose in their life, but they will have the last laugh.
Oh hello, nice seeing you here.
Or the only laugh
BARS!
Gonna be real, I always just kinda thought Emelitia was a little crazy. She’s been alone for so long, and loneliness can mess you up. She was outcast before the infection, so I imagine she had resentment for her fellow bugs. She got the last laugh in the end, and just kept laughing. I suspected the flowers were some way of keeping her alive, nothing more. She was content to sit there, laughing, so there was no point in giving in to the infection. Why bother, when she has everything she wants? She got the last laugh. She outlived everyone. She survived. Although, you have to wonder… is surviving really better than dying in this situation? Emelitia is completely alone, and I suspect she has some moments of lucidity in what I see as her madness. After all, sometimes, her endless hysterical laughter sounds like crying. Perhaps the Radiance simply can’t access her mind correctly, due to this insanity. Perhaps Emelitia is too far gone to succumb, even in her moments where she realized exactly how alone she is. Because in the end, she always had the last laugh.
I have no clue about Salubra lmao. I never even thought about her. Idk why, but I got attached to Emelitia, not Salubra. Anyway, sorry for the essay. I just like discussing theories.
How to not go mad because of the infection step 1: go mad WITHOUT the infection!
@@phoenixwithahalfofdragon936 I mean, Pale Lurker is ALSO immune...
Well, I suppose it could possibly be that she says that the knight is "divine" and that she "must hold it together", but she can't, because said knight is "just too divine", so she's laughing at the though of the knight?
Eh, seeing my thought typed out here makes me second guess it...
@@homelesslampthejuicesucker nah you forget that she laughs before she ever sees you.
but hey, that’s just a theory...
"What are you doing while you wait for silksong?"
*It's a long story...*
People started doing god damn speedruns about cutting grass in Hollow Kinght, *that's how content starved we became*
"drugs"
*D R U G S*
Uh… I’ve deleted my unfinished save file.. and challenged myself to play till I’ve reached Eternal Emilitia. (Not one of my favorite characters, but she’s up there) that’s how bored I am
Edit: I played in 2019. And haven’t played for 2 years. I’m rusty af
Chilling with the hunter drinking that sweet sweet "nectar" 😄
Is there something in that lore theory of yours as to why grubs and salubra dont use masks? And why the Grubfather laughs just like Salubra when it becomes the Grub cacoon ready to burst with little grublettes? Maybe they're just not affected by the infection?
I think the grub father is just happy all his kids are safe now maybe its just fatherly love.
@@araara7031 even if he will die
@@carlosmorenoseguel7726 Kinda probably
@@araara7031 Sure sure, but what do the grubs and caterpillars have that they aren't affected by the Radiance's influence (infection)? I think there's something related to the moths, grubs, and catepillars. We dont even know what the fate of the Stags really was. Just ideas for future content lol
Grubfather is sad and boo hooing when you first meet him without any grubs saved. And then he starts to laugh and cheer when you start saving them. So it’s kinda separate And just by the LOOK on the map the infection never infects the grubs because they are all in glass jars by the collector supposedly and nor does the infection even reach inside the grub room which is where I would start to agree with your speculation. After all Seer as a Moth didn’t wear a mask nor was infected and I’m pretty sure all the Snail Shamans are just wearing hats. And I don’t think Tiso is wearing a mask under his hood, and I’m pretty sure that’s quirrels face under the Dreamer mask he wears atop his head. Also I’m pretty sure that’s just Elderbugs face because like Zote the mouth moves when taking which Makes plausible sense but it’s not like there’s many masked talking bugs with moving mouths in the game tbf 🤔 and Hollow Knight, Hornet and Ghost’s mouth areas are just smoothed over like all Vessels/ their weird family tree.
Would've been interesting to see the flowers lose their effect on Emelitia after defeating a Dreamer. The flowers too weak to really keep her going. Where did she even get these flowers in the first place? Maybe the same, distant lands where the Delicate Flowers come from? Seeing how the Shade Lord couldn't overpower the Delicate Flower, who's to say the Amalitia flowers couldn't exactly stop her from being infected. This is all obviously speculation, but really interesting.
Salubra stood out to me durring my first playtrough, so seeing someone give attention to her lore really makes me happy! Keep up the fantastic work.
Why after a dreamer?
@@giovannigonzalez3318 Cuz Radiance tries harder to infect everyone and kill the Knight, that's why Crossroads become infected
@@MrBee-iy5ed Hmm... 🤔 So as the effects are felt more in the outside world, the red flower isn't strong enough to it fight off.
@@giovannigonzalez3318 Basically the Radiance tries harder to infect people
@@MrBee-iy5ed the Radiance isn't fighting harder though, why should she? The kingdom of Hallownest is already dead. There's more chance that the build up of infection inside the black egg escapes because one of the dreamers died, therefore the seal is weaker.
0:16 I love how you made the Knight jump off screen but with no transition, it creates a really cool effect that suddenly throw you out of the gameplay and into the video.
8:02 is the best voice acting take I ever heard from you.
He schould voice radiance😂
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I love when he says "moœth"
Canon voice of radiance
this got me rolling on the floor🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
My guy just said Cloth is too much of a virgin to get infected 💀💀💀
That's sad considering cloths a girl..
@@Zeeboklown what does that have to do with anything
@@identitycrisisatthedisco8973absolutely nothing
Doesn't she have a dead girlfriend???
@@Zeeboklown ok misogynist
No one:
Hunter: Hey man, wanna buy some venom balls?
Oh hello!
"They will laugh in their litte tiny rooms eternally"
-"Well, thats depressing"
Well... yes... but no
You know.. Just doing some drugs,
Gonna do some drugs and go to jail.
Forever.
It sucks.
The radiance voice acting was 10/10. Im still in the floor laugthing
The editing in this video is soooo good! Congrats! It's been a blast watching your videos
The Thing about this: Both Emelitia and Salubra stop laughing if you talk to them. if it really is somthing related to drugs, why seem they able to control it?
It’s not that they can’t control the laughing, it just makes it their natural state. (I assume. And sorry for replying to an old comment)
@@bell2023 but how they stop laughing when you get near
@@papeandocomraposa8274 maybe it's cuz they direct their focus onto the knight
@@papeandocomraposa8274 theyre not uncontrollably laughing, theyre just really really happy and chill
People who are high are able to stop laughing to listen to people, it's just that because the drugs make them more carefree their natural state becomes one of laughter.
I think you are close but incorrect. I don't think there is anything special that keeps/kept or is keeping Salubra alive... Some bugs can just live for long periods of time Bardoon and Seer are very old. Biased on their dialog they seem like were alive before the Pale King came along and before Hallownest came to be, and there is nothing special or supernatural that you argue or point to that is keeping them alive. Unlike you could with other old NPC's Like: Mask Maker, The Snail Shaman, and Midwife. For a great example of what I am talking about. look at Confessor Jiji's and Steal Soul Jinn's dialogue they both EXPLICITLY state they they both were put into or went into or were in a long slumber when or after they came to Hallownest. Salubra's line of it is rare to see bugs to visit her store is far more tame in comparison to what Jiji and Jinn say.
It is unclear how old Salubra is but if I had to hazard a guess I think she is around the age of Lemm both know things about Hallownest's past but likely did not live through them. One counter argument I here you say is "but Lemm is an archeologist and Salubra is not" While this is true...Salubra is a charm seller she sells trinkets. What store good store owner knows nothing about the products they sell? So even though Salubra is not an expert like Lemm is. Because she does collet and sell charms it would make sense for her to know a little bit about Hallownest's past. Lots of other NPC's say it is rare to see new bugs too but I can't name them all ATM. I just think Salubra is just happy in general and more importantly flirtatious she says many times that she thinks the knight is hot. That's why she is always laughing or in a good mood... She might just be down bad :P.
Now Emilita on the other hand it is fairly clear she is being kept alive by the flowers around her. This is VERY noteworthy because this is yet another plant with special powers in a very long line of plants the have special powers. Such as: The Delicate flowers, possibly the flowers in Pharloom. The White Lady is a plant and God Seeker asks if she could be "one of them" what ever that means, Life Blood in some ways is a plant, Isma is a plant. You get the idea that plants are important in the world of Hollowknight and likely will be important to Silksong's lore too. Where I disagree is it is not any gas from the flowers is what's keeping Emilitia alive. You don't really see any smoke like effects in her room. What do you see? A faint pink light... Yep that's right I think it is the light from the flowers that is keeping Emilitia alive. What's really interesting about Emilitia's dialogue are two line that I think tell us everything. 1. She was a member of Hallownest's elite but was cast out for some unsaid/unstated/unknown reason, 2. She seems to know that the Delicate flower has some power to it. Saying its light is no match for the Pale King's light...BUT she needs to take care of her own flowers, she call's the delicate flower dim, and claims her flowers superior to the the delicate flower (possibly implying that her flowers are better than the pale king).
So putting 2 and 2 together. We know the pale king did not like others using powers he did not approve of. We know how the Pale king felt about Life Blood. So it is not unreasonable to assume Emilitia's love of or position of her flowers IS what got her cast out from Hallownest's elite. As for what Emilitia's flowers are...Your guess is as good as mine. I am not sure or convinced it is higher being stuff...but is sure is interesting and worth keeping in the back of our minds for other future lore speculation
The issue is more with them not having any food, and just being normal bugs in a “normal” state. Jiji and Jinn were hibernating or something, jinn might be a robot or something, and jiji is so hungry when she wakes up that she’ll eat all the rancid eggs you bring her.
The connection here (in terms of the flowers keeping them in that state of mind) is strong enough that I believe it, especially because, as said in the video, neither of them ever leave their tiny rooms. You can (sort of, not very well) explain away salubra’s laughing, but I don’t think you can just say “yeah she doesn’t feel like leaving” without bringing up questions.
@@bell2023 Ya but how many other NPCs do we see or hear eat talk about eating or wanting food? Not many. Not Sly....Not Elderbug, Not Bretta, not Zote. Where's my Hungry Hornet? Willing suspension of disbelief my guy
@@earthboundkid1 But are any of those NPCs trapped in their rooms forever? All of them have access to food (besides those of them who are in some sort of dormant state).
And what about them both explicitly never leaving their rooms?
(And both laughing? Salubra constantly before she ever even sees you. And both having a pink glow around them?)
Oh and both sly and elderbug mention wanting food.
Edit: I was incorrect, it’s only Elderbug. But also jiji and tuk need food, and it can be very reasonably assumed that they all do.
@@bell2023 Salubra leaves when you aren't looking or the game is off there happy :P.
This is so underrated... the deep research and exaggerated focus on the small details was simply admirable. Added to the succesful humor for such a depressing analysis (especially the Radiance part). Phenomenal video man, keep it up!
Okay the puppet bit was gold, take a like
why are flowers so powerful in hollow knight? we really only see them two places, Emelitia and the delicate flower.
Edit: you also see some in the Pleasure House
*cough cough*
the entirety of queen's gardens
Emilitia's room looks like it has gas in it to me, just not alot
I love the way that edited(animated?) Radiance. That was so funny.
So what I'm getting from the intro alone...
Hollow Knight is a parody of Breaking Bad.
i always thought salubra just laughed at how tiny and cute the knight is
edit:compared to their size
I think Emilitia's dialogue during the flower quest can shed some light on her resisting the infection, as she states that 'the light from the flower is nothing compared to the light from the king,' or something along those lines. She was an outcast amongst her peers during the kingdom's time so she wouldn't ever feel the need to leave her house during the time of the game, though she is aware of the fate of her peers by that point and would also probably know that going outside isn't safe, effectively making her a prisoner. I think that she just went crazy over time that her peers all shunned her yet fell prey to the infection, while her devotion to only the king's light carried her to survive as her entire society crumbled around her.
This doesn't discount whatever effects the flowers may have but her behavior and survival can equally be attributed to her own stated past. It also doesn't help with Salubra at all... On thinking of it, it may be equally possible that Emilitia eats the flowers to survive, which could point to the laughing gas-like symptoms she has. Either way, interesting video!
I'll say this, if you were baked off your mind off of mystical flowers & incense SO Strong that even the infection couldn't ensnare you & the unity of all minds wasn't tempting enough.... I want what they're having. I dunno might even be such a strong psychedelic that they're on their own worlds living out their greatest fantasies forever and that's why they don't leave......... Or everyone around them dying just made them shut in and go crazy 🤷
Do charm lore while your on the topic of Salubra
Спасибо за новое видео, дружище! Я мог бы написать комментарий на английском, но не судьба... Довольно интересную тему ты поднял, как всегда! Ещё раз спасибо, что возвращаешься на Ютуб.
Merci le traducteur automatique de youtube ;)
@@bonjourcava2493 indeed
very good editing in this one
That was not very christian content
Ogrim dosen't want to find out what happened to Isma, and guess what he's also laughing constantly. I don't think he's on flowers though I think he just puts himself in this mental state.
Basically if you're more careless and there's no unnecessary memories and don't have lingering memories you're less vulnerable to infection.
Raid ad really had to take up ten percent of the video
Thats just raid ads in general honestly their annoying, but hey at least he has better delivery than most youtubers, sadly the script is probably supposed to be that long
tbh I think that, hmm, "drugs" not connected with this. Salubra doesn't come out most likely due to her weight (it seems, she's not able to move at all) and she simply doesn't know what's happening outside, so she remains joyful. Emilitia doesn't want to go out at all so as not to die, and her laugh is kinda hysterical tho
I feel like I don't have a purpose but I don't want to die, I like living.
Respect
The classiest Raid plug ever. Well done, Cc. X) Also, fun lore idea.
That fate sounds fine to me. For real. How is that worse than death? You just don't care! Any reason you can come up with, doesn't matter. You don't care! It's 100% bliss...
*Deep Lore*
I never thought of that. I believe 100%
lets talk about drugs
FIRSTZ AND GOOD JOB CC
Edit: la drogas
One of the best videos I've seen from you. Great editing, solid pacing, funny jokes, surprise existential crisis, every box checked
Ok ok ok, just hear me out
We know that there is a definite separation between soul and dream. We know each has a counter part, soul to void, and dream to nightmare. Let's talk about nightmare.
If I'm reading between the lines correctly it seems that Nightmare is what you get when you take dream essence and "burn" it. The grim Troup uses the burning dream for seemingly everything, from lightning their lanterns (evidenced by the particle affects around the torch in the howling cliffs) to their sustaining the nightmare hart in the ritual.
With that out of the way let's swap tracks to the soul-dream void-nightmare counterparts. We know that the delicate flowers which seem to be almost nothing but pure soul energy (evidenced by how the petals disintegrate after being exposed to enough void). We also have the whispering willow trees which are connected to dreem.
If we are to follow the trend we can arrive at the conclusion that it is possible for other plants to exist that have connections to these substances counterparts.
Now here's my idea. If a plant exists that is connect to nightmare, it can't possibly live vary long without an abundance of dream in the area. We know that burning essence gives off light visible even to those who can't see or deal with dream (ok we don't *know* that but I think it's a safe assumption due to elderbug and jijis reactions to the Troup). So those flowers have to give of some kind of light when in the presence of dream.
What if amilitia flowers *are* the nightmare flowers, they glow because of the abundance of infection in the air Wich we know to be dreamborn, they burn up the infection keeping people near them safe!
Diving further into speculation it is possible that salubaras incense is made from amilitia flowers and burning them offer similar affects, burning up the infection in the surrounding area.
Another thing to note, as nightmare burns at dream, Wich we know to be connected to mind memory and thought, long-term exposure may cause damage to the mind and it is very slowly burned away.
Wow, that's a lot
Sorry it sounds so disorganized, and I know it's mainly speculation, but I think it's interesting to think about at the very least.
Sorry for replying 1 year later, but I just wanted to say that I very much like this idea and wonder whether the dream trees are the "dream" plant, and the void imprint in the abyss is some form of void plant? Probably stupid. Anyway, hope silksong clears things up a bit.
raid shadow legend
cc, did YOU use laughing gas while writing this video's script?
The editing in this video is soooooo beautiful! Great job cc
that outro is just great and for some reason i find it funny
Although they have dreams, the flowers probably mess up their minds so much that they're completely happy as they are and can't possibly think of anything they could do to be happier, and so they don't have any dreams in the sense of goals, or cravings. For example, the crystal peaks people think they will be happier when they are rich and have crystals. Salubra doesn't think she can be any happier because the flower makes her only thinks about charms and she already has those so she's fine where she is
Great video although one thing you missed that you literally show in the video and ignored was salubra’s dream nail dialogue
She talks about he she is fearing for her life due to the present of the knight but she must keep appearing calm
This means her mind isn’t completely fractured and she can still feel stuff besides endlessly laughing
These edits are god tier
How the hell does he only have 21k subs?
The Hunter did Acid
I don’t care if Salubra’s high or not she’s kinda HOT. Also, great vid Ccmaci
Ily cc /jk
I think if calling the Pale Lurker "insane" it's clear that Emelitia is on that spectrum too. Whether or not she's on a substance or not is not really neccesary to explain anything. Same with Salubra. From their dialogue Emelitia seems to swing between genuine schadenfreude, and despair, whilst Salubra almost seems like she's dissociating somewhat; her phrasing implies there are people in the village as far as she knows, but at times there is: Menderbug and Sly are there, even if you don't count the husks. It could be that if anything the insence in Salubra's shop is opium, which would make some sense if you take into consideration when she likely made her shop and the general style of most of the "civilised" parts of Hallownest. Emelitia could be starving for all we know, in some sense of the word, and long term loneliness, great suffering, and starvation can lead to delirium, which could fully explain her state. In contrast the Pale Lurker is like a feral; barely cohesive in thought, and trying desperately to protect herself - her traps and running away. Honestly, everyone in the game is somewhere on the "not quite sane" spectrum.
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I love the Knight plush scenes you made lmao
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9:05 I was starting to feel depressed and then I laughed so hard xD
I hate to burst the bubble, but I feel you forgot to mention the part of dream nail dialogue with salubra which directly implies that she knows there's little to no life outside her hut, setting her on edge but reminding her she needs to keep up appearance anyway. As for Emilita, I think she's just crazy and loves the fact she outlived (broad statement) her fellow city denizens who outcasted her. That's just my two cents though.
So the message is... want to survive the zombie apocalypse? Do laughing gas!
This is what happens when a Fandom doesn't get any content for 3 years, not that the theory is bad, just sounds completely insane, and is the product of not having anything to theorize about
Honestly, so many people are caught up in the ideas the Undertale posed - is it necessary to kill to survive? does showing mercy give you a better outcome?
That a lot of people ignore the follow up questions we see in Hollow Knight.
What is mercy? Maybe death is a mercy compared to eternity. A song that never ends is no song at all.
LORE
Lifeblood is an anti-infection. For one thing, it is the polar opposite color to the infection, and has similar properties, like the lifeseeds, but is different.
"Let's wait for Silksong..." *Video ends*
Quick question, we see lightseeds in the crossroads only once it is infected, however it also appears in the ancient basin. I understand why they appear in the crossroads(because it is infected), but what makes the ancient basin special enough to have these, considering the infection hasn’t affected nearby areas as badly?
I love that people like you and Mossbag are still looking into the minutiae of Hollow Knight lore, speculating about the tiniest details and still coming up with interesting and viable theories. Keep it up, we’re still very much interested! :D
Guys their smoking weed.
A more morbid theory is that the red flowers that Emelita and Salubra use as incense are Poppy flowers. Poppy seeds can be used in baked goods like muffins, however when the flower is burnt, the chemical in the flower-opium-to feel a certain high. This would make sense as their constant laughing behavior and the fact the infection hasn’t killed them yet are both answerable by the fact they are constantly high-but it also explains how they live so long if they decide to convert the flowers into some type of food. This even matched the “fate worse than death” the video mentioned-they’re addicts to the drug and see no purpose in life other than to get high and in Emelita’s case watch the world burn. As for anyone wondering why the Knight/Ghost isn’t affected, perhaps the fact they are made of void makes them naturally immune to certain poisons like the Gulka mentioned at the beginning of the video. Why in God’s name would they need Isma’s Tear, IDK-probably a concession made by Team Cherry to make a pool of liquid that will damage you until a certain upgrade.
I honestly think that lifeblood acts as a parasite. Seeing what Joni’s blessing does, that’s probably what it does in its final stage. It liquifies your insides, and turns you into a cocoon. The reason it gives you masks is because it acts as a curse in disguise. An unsuspecting bug eats the lifeblood for extra resistance, and catches the parasite. It would probably take a few years, which explains why the knight isn’t killed by it
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6:09 Uh... You sure 'bout that? There seems to be a fairly large amount of what appears to be reddish-pink smoke in her room. Not as much as Salubra has, but still quite a lot.
Fun fact, 22.5% of this video is about "Raid Shadow Legends". That's disgustingly close to a quarter of the video.
Dude, come on
Although is being eternally content a fate worse then death is another question. We might see it as suffering, but they probably see it as eternal youth or something. I dunno, best horror themes are left like this, very vague.
Salubra is just high as hell dawg
Remember kids, drugs are bad and can ruin your life.
"yeah... Lets wait for silksong."
148 years later: ok so here's my theory on lifeblood...
2:10 I NEED that knight puppet!
God I admire the Quality in your Videos. Always a Shame People dont sub enough to see it.
"The [Raid] rewards will only be available for 30 days."
Lol ok Raid, sure.
Where'd you get the HK plush? .... asking for a friend
while ive seen so many raid shadow legends sponsors that intro was making me die man seeing the knight as a plushie scream
21k subs and a raid sponsor
Nice
They must have infinite lung capacity for all the air they have to use while laughing....
I knew salubra was up to something
so theyre so high they stopped thinking and are therefore unable to get infected
- Ccmaci : That was depressing.
The Bass : I got you.
"My God, kids, what have I told you about drugs?!" - "That there's the right place and the right time for that, and that's when a weird infection hits the kingdom and turns its inhabitants into husks!"
bro change the vid tittle to "2min shadow legends ad" no hate
Lol the segway to that sponsorship almost killed me.
I’m joining the war on drugs
*on the side of the drugs*
9:01 Oh for heccs sake.
I really enjoy these kind of speculation videos, keep up the great work ❤️
it sounds like they are just extreme introverts
Guess 1: they’re high Guess 2: They’re insane