Thank you for watching my video! If you haven't already, please consider **Subscribing** to my channel for more Hollow Knight & Silksong lore just like this! Please only read the rest of this comment AFTER you've finished the video, it has spoilers for what I say in the "Dreamers" and "Quirrel" sections of my video: In talking about the Dreamers, I decided to remove some smaller points from the video for better viewer enjoyment, so here's what I left out. When a bug is masked, their "true form" is protected by the "masked form", but to what extent this "masked form" changes a bug's appearance, I'm unsure. So if Monomon's mask gave her her jellyfish body, why can we see her tentacles BEFORE her mask is returned? I have two guesses: her mask didn't give her her jellyfish body, or her body actually has a weak connection to her mask throughout the game. My first guess actually makes sense considering Herrah, since her offspring, Hornet, has the same horns as her masked mother. I'm unsure when the Dreamers were given masks to wear, but since they're used as apart of the Seal on the Black Egg, I assume Herrah was given her mask *after* Hornet was born. This means the masks do not give their wearers new bodies, explaining why we can see unmasked Monomon's tentacles. However, if that is incorrect, then its possible Monomon's mind in the dream world actually had a weak connection to her body in the real world this entire time. Since Quirrel thinks she's calling to him from within the Teacher's Archive, then this would definitively explain how. With a weak connection between her body and mind, her body is fractured, but not completely wiped from existence. If I had to guess, the focus her mask provides her body creates a "focused" connection between the two, allowing her body to fully reform. Also, if you want an explanation for why Monomon was the only one to implement such an OVERPOWERED protection on her body, my only guess is... she's smart. Or maybe because she's in a tube, and the other Dreamers aren't. No idea honestly on this point xD ONLY READ ONWARD IF YOU'VE FINISHED THE VIDEO, YOU WILL BE SPOILED BY THIS PARAGRAPH Turns out, I'm not so sure if it would've made sense for Mask Maker's quote to apply to Quirrel EVEN IF his face was covered by Monomon's mask in the Desolate Wastes. Since I concluded the mind provided by Monomon's mask is locked away in the Dream Realm, it wouldn't make sense for the mask to be able to give another mind to another wearer if it only has one mind to give away, right? However I'm unsure if that's how masks even work, or if this is something that should only be applied to Dreamer masks. Whatever the case, we can all agree Mask Maker's quote was a big red herring in relation to Quirrel >:(
Brumm (or whatever the accordion guy after banishing the Grimm troupe is named) mentions he thinks the charm he gives you would look nice on you, implying you wear them. So the knight reaches into their eyes, pulls out a charm, and shoves it onto their cloak like a Boy Scout Badge.
The knight costumes things with void so it's possible that you are correct but if the void is an infinite space it could just absorb the masks for protection and also the shade could be semi permeable wich is how the knight can hit it with it's nail but it can store things inside it
Makes sense that fury of the fallen would be right next to that lore tablet about unmasking, because the power of fury of the fallen only works when you lose almost all your masks. It clearly has some connection
@@SillySunnyTacos The Shade even proves this, it's no longer The Knight. When you're restored, you're missing the essence of shade that makes you up so you're basically an empty shell but you still have yourself, your mask. Meanwhile, the maskless shade has no identity and is little more than the shadows in the abyss, mindlessly attacking even you.
I think this is something he kinda neglected to touch properly apon I'm the video - we know that the Pale King isn't exactly trustworthy, and as far as I can tell from the tablet next to fury of the fallen, and the one in the throne room in White Palace, he may have actually benefitted from bugs not wearing masks. PK was all about control, hence why any bugs in the kingdom who didn't fall under his control, or straight up broke free of it (like xero) were often prosecuted or shunned. Only through superior force or bargaining were bugs able to have autonomy from the king (see the mantis village for proof of this - they kept deepnest at bay, so they were left alone). Perhaps the reason the mask maker was hidden away was because the Pale King couldn't outright get rid of all masks, but didn't want them to be used, as with one, bugs would have more individuality and would, more importantly, be able to travel outside of the Kingdom without risk of losing their minds. (This is obviously just a working theory, but I feel as though it may hold some merit, as it's pretty obvious that the Pale King does have a personal agenda aside from stopping the radiance from taking over)
One thing I love about the moment with Quirrel before he “disappears” is that if you leave tiso on the opposite side of the lake it can be a really symbolic parallel moment of these two adventurers that we have met. Tiso is still looking for more ramp up and will inevitably meet his end in the coliseum. And Quirrel has had a fulfilling adventure for the second time in his life and can go out peacefully knowing he has finished his part. It’s beautiful really.
i just found it super funny on my recent playthrough that after i had a moment with quirrel and he, well, you know, i then went to find tiso at the other side of the lake saying "UGH THIS PLACE IS BORING I HATE IT HERE"
"...To conceal it *fully* within another..." Maybe the alternative reason to why Quirrel had his mind intact outside the Hallownest was because he didn't wear Monomon's mask properly, giving his mind a weak protection with smaller consequences, those being memory loss.
To correct the interpretation of the quote stating the mind is 'destroyed', the mask maker also states that those with a strong will, or those with strong ideals, may still pertain a sliver of their original self when they bear the new mask. Also, I can align the contradiction: The Pale King's beacon gives minds to those without a mask, when otherwise they would need one, but a new mask would somewhat overwrite that mind, but keep aspects of the original if those aspects are deeply rooted in the individual.
I don't agree that the mind is "overwritten", it's rather contained or otherwise influenced by another "state", as Quirrel shows the influence on both "states" is bidirectional. Also if it wasn't for Cc immediately discarding his take on soul-essence because of him not covering his face with his mask in the Wastes, my comment would be a bit longer; but he caught himself, so...
@@serraramayfield9230 Well, technically they are higher beings, at least when compared to their primitve counterparts, though they indeed do not abide by the "scientific" definition of the term. I really wish Team Cherry didn't add the whole "higher beings, these words are for you alone" to all the lore tablets, since the concept of higher beings proper isn't even present in the base game outside of the kingsoul description. It's really confusing this way.
@@RodrigoPereira-ws8ok They are not, because TC defines Higher Beings as "beings above all others"; citizens uplifted by PK's beacon clearly are not this as Mantises/Weavers/Spiders/etc also have sentience. Remind me of the Kingsoul description again?
something i think about is what the long term effect of wearing masks would be. i often see masks being used as metaphors in all kinds of media, usually about personality. when one wears a fake personality for too long, it eventually becomes hard even for themselves to separate reality from the "mask". maybe when a bug stays too long with a mask, their mind is slowly merged with it. when Nymm loses his mask he also loses his memory, since the mask was part of him for a while, instead of just an item to wear. As mask maker says, it's hard to tell if other bugs are wearing masks or not, and not because they look real, but because at some point they become the same. That would also explain how only bugs with a stronger mind would be able to keep it after removing the mask. maybe thats also why the dreamers dont have a maskless form, since they ended up becoming the same over time (gods know how time works in hollow knight, we can only assume it was for a long while) it could also explain how Monomon still communicates with quirrel, since he would be quite literally wearing her mind, and maybe he didn't wear it properly precisely because he didn't want his mind to be lost but still wanted the protection. maybe that only slowed down the process of losing one's mind instead of completely stopping it, which is why he lost part of his memories
Just finished watching… HOLY SMOKES I LOVE THIS! The attention to detail, the voice acting, and even the jokes slipped in, it’s so well thought out and the execution was just…. MMMM! I don’t have words to describe it.
According to Charm Lover Salubra, charms can be made when a bug dies. So perhaps Brumm and Nymm are two different entities and Brumm removing his mask and becoming Nymm killed Brumm and shifted his corpse, his mask, into Carefree Melody.
I just think that Brumm dies as in his personality. The person named Brumm dies. And what is left is Nymm. I think your idea is creative but I also think that its possible for a person to die without their body dying.
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I find masks one of the most interesting things in Hollow Knight lore. At first, you dont even think about them, but when you look closer at the details of the game, you see how they're everywhere and their existance is sure of great importance to a deep, truly deep lore of the entire universe of the game, not just Hallownest. They might be the one thing in the middle of it all, the answer to everything. And I feel like there is still so much information missing, so many unanswered questions. I really hope we see a continuation to that lore in Silksong.
My first thought when looking at the scattered masks littering the land of storms was that maybe they were all attempts at creating the mask that they currently use to attune? It seems pretty complicated and it would not surprise me in the slightest if it took them a long time to make a working one.
Lots of respect for the Brumm appreciation! His role in the grimm troupe is generally clowned on for stealing away the chance to fight Nightmare Grimm, but what the cause he fought for was a meaningful one.
From what I understand, the Mask Maker and Pale King don't necessarily contradict each other. The Mask Maker uses "Concealed Self", rather than previous self. This means that the mind isn't actually gone forever, but the previous line insinuates it isn't active, or whatever the terminology would be. From my understanding, the mind itself isn't destroyed, but the sense of self, the existence of the bug. The Pale King wanting to have the bugs unmask is for them to be themselves, to be proud of who they are or something like that. If this is similar or at least partially true, it might explain some stuff. Im probably wrong tho, but it might help explain something. I just thought it was interesting he still refers to the self as existing in a concealed form rather than destroyed, right after he says its destroyed. The slivers that leak through might be able to break through the seal of binding. It might slso be that thing that protected the White Palace, with will being enough to break through a weaker version. This is mostly my speculation, I think. Anyways, that's my understanding.
Another banger of a lore vid, Cc! It never ceases to amaze me how consistent the deep lore of this game goes. Way to make my aching for Silksong resurface. Well done, friend.
23:15 maybe to "wear" it means only to have it close, like having it under your cloak, as a hat, inside your mind (From the Beacon) like Monomon or with a Game Theory of the knight, to just have it inside your cloak/shade/body/whatever it is
In regards to the point of the Godseeker potentially being able to store all the minds within herself without wearing multiple masks, it's also possible that it's a similar situation to the knight. In that all of the masks the knight wears aren't applied to the character modles in game. So then the question becomes how one would wear all of the masks if they were applied.
Perhaps mask with a connection to powerful forces or outside effects can simply.. grow 'denser', meaning they deepen their ability" but maintain the same amount of are, wether their would be an actual weight difference from such a thing is.. up to interpretation
I had a head canon of how the masks work for the knight (and by extension the vessels) that each mask the player has acts somewhat like a protective seal of binding but weaker, designed to break and mend to the wearer’s will (as an actual seal of binding would be too restrictive). With each mask worn, a layer of protection for the knight, kind of like a Russian doll. This works with the theory that the knight wears all its masks at once. It’s last mask acts to keep the void and/or shade inside its shell and when that last mask breaks there is nothing to keep what tries to escape from freedom. But how does this work with other bugs? Well what if masks didn’t work the same between different bugs? We know that the vessels weren’t created like normal bugs so why should they need masks that expand their mind? They need no mind to think, no will to break, no voice to cry suffering. The vessels aren’t supposed to have a mind so need no masks, only the shells they’re already provided with at birth and are given masks to keep the shade inside their shell. But that’s just my theory, have fun with it!
For the vessels, given their objective, I think the masks represent a set of instructions The end objective for each vessel is given as follows: - locate source of infection - seal vessel within oneself However, in their default "shade" state, they don't actually do anything; shades float around their spawn location unless they detect the PC. Therefore, additional instructions are required to explain how vessels should fulfill their objective. These additional instructions are as follows: - movement and navigation - identify and attack enemies - interact with non-hostiles Each of the above points are performed solely in regards to the primary objective, limiting the chance for independent thought and development of a mind ...however, on their respective journeys, vessels can encounter obstacles and events not covered by the above instructions, thus requiring a final catch-all statement: - acquisition of additional knowledge and abilities This final point allows for creative thinking and, judging by the sheer number of bodies, is not present in all vessels and is ultimately what allows escape from The Abyss. However, it also allows for independent thought. As a result, any vessel that escapes The Abyss also has the capacity to gain "an idea instilled", or an instruction outside the scope of their primary objective.
"Let all bask in your true form." Completed masks hide your true form. The lore tablet is next to Fury of the Fallen, which gives you strength when you only have one mask. I would assume this is just alluding to Fury giving you extra power when you "shed your mask layers, exposing your true form beneath" or something like that
Dawg what the hecc, your editing is so good??? This video felt so professional, between the slick visuals, the SFX, the VA's you called in, the music (MAT my beloved), not to mention the actual script and the narrative you built. Man I love your videos so much! I hope you have a great day and can keep making amazing stuff like this :)
Ah Cc, great job as always! Every time I hear some of my music in the background a big big smile suddenly appears on my face :) And the way you shortened Highway of Pain at 28:08 is just perfect, couldn't have done better!
I think a lot of what Mask Maker says is figurative. It could be what TC intended, but I never thought it literally meant masks give sentience. For me it meant: masks are an avenue to disguise your original features so that you are unrecognizable. But you can become too used to that new look and "lose" your original identity. That can be a metaphor for just acting differently to give yourself a different persona. If you get too used to that persona then you might become that persona. Masks do seem to have a lot of prevalence in Hollow Knight, but I don't think that they are actually that important. Godseeker is a different story, sure they're masks that they wear, but that's not the key detail. God tuners make it easier to concentrate your thoughts towards something (in other words, to focus). I never agreed with what mossbag said about masks actually changing the wearer. Dreamer masks actually served a function, but likely didn't need to even be a mask to work. Monomon probably helped Quirrel to survive outside of Hallownest, since we know she is still connected to him through the mask which contains a fragment of her existing mind. Regardless, I can't explain this all in a UA-cam comment, and I've already written more than people are willing to read.
Simple explanation that means you don’t have to throw out your theory: just as M’s mask acts like a link between the dream world and reality, it can be used to give you most of the effects of the Beacon from basically anywhere, acting kinda like a redstone repeater from Minecraft. This is due to the fact that M’s body is in Hallownest.
I’ve been dying for a new lore video ever since I picked up hollow knight myself. And mask maker is my second favourite character so I’m sure this’ll be fun!
Amazing video! I wonder if Quirrel wearing the mask part way was a way to protect his mind while not being overridden by Monomon's mind while in the wastes outside Hollownest.
I learned, I cried, I laughed. This was an expertly made video, and I loved every second. All your jokes made me laugh, and I now have a deeper appreciation for the masks, as I never really thought much about them.
The ancient mask in "hidung the true self" refers to locking away the shade inside. The only one that uses *ancient* masks is the knight, not the rest of the bugs, except maybe the dreamers, and that special mask makes them sleep forever
Perhaps the mask and what it conceals can communicate, meaning that monomon instructed her unmasked mind to call out the knight and quarrel in her absence
I love how simple vessels are to draw. I'm not even an artist, half the stuff I can pull off is stick figures, but vessels... I made on that was literally a cracked face, with a left horn snapped off and replaced with a hive crystal. He also had a raggedy cloak. THATS IT.
I think that the reason you can't dream nail monomon without the mask is since the mask holds some of her mind, as the mask maker says that the mask destroys the mind, i just think that it holds the mind within masks, which is also why the king encourages to remove masks, improving the remaining brain, beyond the original power, and shows that masks do still improve your mind, kind of like getting extra storage space added on to an old laptop with a UCB stick Edit: It also explains brum, since his grimm self was lost when he took his mask off, and his original brain was expanded and he lost the other part of his brain when he took off his mask
I can try to explain the contradiction between mask maker and the lore tablet in king’s pass: The lore tablets in king’s pass are addressed to higher beings, while Mask Maker was addressing bugs in general. That pretty much explains it, but it’s time for some speculation. Mask maker says that “those of striking will may still a retain a slither of that concealed self.” Higher beings definitely fit this bill, but why would whoever wrote these tablets want higher beings to reveal themselves? The Pale King never took off his mask for all we know, and when the Radiance made herself known, the entire kingdom was thrown into chaos. In my opinion, it’s either directly addressed to Vessels, or simple foreshadowing. Being the children of the Pale King and White Lady, the Vessels could be considered higher beings as well. The knight only defeated the Radiance when all the siblings in their shade forms, he took off his mask to reveal his shade, but the shit out of the Radiance, and dragged the Radiance into the void. So yeah, that’s my interpretation of that Lore Tablet.
so maybe the kings becon just effects the dream world version and by having a mask that form is being revealed in the normal world....i guess.... and he might have effected only the dream world because the radiance was also in it i think.
For what I interpret,the pk is a antenna,the bug are like tv and the mask are expander,normally bug would get the signal without problem but some with have limited signal so the mask improve the resection,losing a mask is losing that extra resection becoming limited again.
such a great video! the production quality was amazing. the editing complimented the audio perfectly, and you made some great points, helping me understand the lore of those darned masks a bit better. good job!
The fact that this video was made almost a day ago and I created my own hollow knight oc almost a week or so ago and struggled to make a unique mask design for a bit is a bit weirdly timed on my part XD, although technically my oc's mask is the whole situation of "can't tell the difference between mask and face" type of thing
My headcannon is that when putting on an Ancient Mask, it shapeshifts into the shape of your own mask and fuses with it to make it thicker, and therefore stronger.
Since one side of the mask looks like its woven from spiders silk and I know the spiders can do some crazy stuff with it, perhaps the ancient masks are sewn somehow inside the knights mask to make it more resistant
imo it makes more sense that quirrel would wear the mask without covering his face, as it might not completely erase his mind when he puts it on that way. maybe he knew the seal of binding would protect him outside of hallownest anyway, and he wanted to keep a bit of himself in existence.
Ah, CC, I see you're going to Unmask the truth! You've gone through the wastes to find the connection between the faceless facts and lies, yet in the end it seems as though the face concealed was yet another mask. Maybe we'll get that sweet sweet mask lore in zoteboat.
I have a hollow knight oc called lacewing (named long before silksong was announced) that is essentially a prototype vessel. With this new information, I can totally imagine her face being less of a face and more of a mask
Great video, have some of my own interpretations and theories to come up with now 🔍 But really this whole thing is so interesting and cryptic... Glad I can finally understand some of the basics! Thanks Maci!
8:25 isn’t part of the spiel of deep nest that they didn’t want to live under the pale kings beacon? so the mask maker would sell there because it is where he can grant the most mind through his work.
Ah I love your lore videos! It always feels like watching a movie or reading a full story. This has been extremely interesting in particular. Great job!
Are we forgetting that Monomon is a Jelly? They don’t even have heads, so wouldn’t the mask just be propped up on the upper half of her ‘head’ or, body, as a mask?
I have been thinking for a while about something that might help us understand 2 major occurences in Hollow Knight. The first is: Why are there so many bodies in the abyss? Well the short awnser is... they arent bodies. They are masks. This as weird as it sounds explains a lot. The Mask Maker was put into an egg like the White Lady and Hollow Knight to slave away for the rest of his(possibly endless) life creating masks. This could explain why we see very few actual eggs like the one our character came out of. The actual bug (or bugs) inside could have been affected by the void tendrils that we see going inside them, which in turn made them into the shades we see and can fight in the Abyss. They were given physical form through the shells and failed continiusly hence using so many masks that they now cover the flour and some of the walls of that place. But when the Abyss was sealed there werent eny more masks delivered there, thus we dont see any other vessels apart from our player, HK and the broken vessel which isnt inhabited by a shade but rather the infection, because in their attempts to escape used their masks until there were none to inhabit. As for Quirrel, well the explanation that he died due to old age is probably the most logical one, however, it could also be the fact that without a mask shielding his mind, he went out of Hollownest, ither through his own will or because without his mask (or Monnomons mask) he gradually lost all his memories and thus forgot who he was, why he was holding a nail (which is why he left it despite him talking about the importance of keeping your weapon tended to) and what he was doing. So yeah I do think that this explanation about the vessels is a very logical one and so I belive it but as for the two possibilities about Quirrel, I dont really think them plausible, but it is something to keep in mind. Great video by the way, got me thinking a bit.
Perhaps monomon didnt call OUT to quirrel from WITHIN the archives, but instead LEAD quirrel TO the archives from her mask, and the knight ariving at the same time is just a coincedence and quirrel was just wrong...
I'm pretty sure that masks have different effets on each bugs, and that even masks makers doesn't understand them. Also, it is possible that mask makers' masks are very different from their godseeker and grim counter part. I think that what mask makers mean when he say that the true form is destroyed is not litteral, but simple that their is no comparing a bug without a mask and a bug with a mask. Something that you left out is the mention to how not all the bugs need a mask. I think for Quirrel, he doesn't need a mask because his mind is already developed on its own. However, he looses his memory either because his mind was still a little expanded by the white king, but there is also the possibility that loosing the influence of the king, his light, was a traumatic experience for Quirrel, which is why he only lost his memory.
I think the Mask Maker is just making regular masks. The masks of the goodseekers are very different from all others, and those of the Grimm Troupe have the eyes crossed, which could link back to how they don't help them focus, but instead enslave them to the Nightmare Heart. Bugs heightened by the Pale King's beacon (which presumably includes Quirrel) are supposed to lose their minds entirely should they leave the beacon's range. Quirrel losing his memories only seems to be an exception to the rule, likely due to him wearing a powerful magical artifact possessed by an ancient bug on his head.
man, I came back to rewatch this video, and I love it, but dear lord, I forgot how many times I cringed when you said "of striking, will may" Instead of "of striking will, may" which makes more sense, as it says those of striking will may keep a sliver of their self without the mask, solving ur qurriel issue
In true ending, after beating the final phase of moth the knight takes off his mask and cape to become a weird void creature that slaps the boss. Maybe that's the knights true form.
Basically my summary for myself to get my thoughts in a line: The nightmare heart and the wyrm created or found a line of servants whose actions would assist in the obtaining of their goals. The nightmare heart in order to ensure the completion of the cycle of self-preservation gave the troupe masks that attuned them to its desires, and thus was able to continue its life, through the repeated completion of this cycle. The Wyrm, differently, to obtain glory and rule a massive kingdom, needed its followers to simply share its ambition and go after their goals. I believe the masks made by the mask maker make the non-troupe bugs of hallownest want to seek out glory for themselves, and by doing so the wyrm gets closer to its goal. Keeping void inside of a mask creating the knight/hollow knight then makes sense because a void being going after glory would involve stopping the radiance and eventually combining/gaining focus and taking over. Lastly like mentioned in the video, the godseekers' masks are simply made to attune to whatever god they deem the most powerful. When the void attains focus in the godseeker ending, the godseeker willingly lets it take over itself because it simply wishes to help fulfill its desires. I'm happy with that conclusion, I love how thoroughly I can think about something as "small" as masks (small when learning the lore, they're pretty essential to the game itself)
charms are only created when someone dies so, we can be certain that unmasking is unsafe, because unless brumm is just carrying carefree melody around all the time, it must have been created when brumm unmasks, and therefore it can be concluded that unmasking generates a charm, which is only generated when you die, so brumm unmasking is directly correlated to brumm "dying" (or at least their mind ceasing to exist).
Counterpoint to your complaints about Mask Makers quote and Quirrel: Quirrel already has higher intelligence. Mask Maker only says SOME bugs need a mask, not all of them. This is further exemplified by bugs like Zote, Cloth, Tiso, Cornifer, and Iselda all having memories of before they came to Hallownest, specifically why they came there. Zote to fulfill a promise, Cloth to find a foe that could kill her so she could be reunited with Nola, Tiso to fight in the Colosseum (something the manual mentions those outside of Hallownest know about, which would be impossible if memory deleting masks were required in the wastes), Cornifer to map the place, and Iselda to be with Cornifer.
i have started drawing oc alien warriors in complex military regiments all part of an empire, i haven't drawn the emperor yet im still working on the "mech division", and unless they are 'mutated' they kinda look like someone slapped arms and tentacles and armor and guns and blades onto lurien's mask.
I always visualized the masks as adding a thin layer onto the knight’s head. Like rings on a tree. Mainly cause the masks and the shell of the knight are the same color :)
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In talking about the Dreamers, I decided to remove some smaller points from the video for better viewer enjoyment, so here's what I left out. When a bug is masked, their "true form" is protected by the "masked form", but to what extent this "masked form" changes a bug's appearance, I'm unsure. So if Monomon's mask gave her her jellyfish body, why can we see her tentacles BEFORE her mask is returned? I have two guesses: her mask didn't give her her jellyfish body, or her body actually has a weak connection to her mask throughout the game. My first guess actually makes sense considering Herrah, since her offspring, Hornet, has the same horns as her masked mother. I'm unsure when the Dreamers were given masks to wear, but since they're used as apart of the Seal on the Black Egg, I assume Herrah was given her mask *after* Hornet was born. This means the masks do not give their wearers new bodies, explaining why we can see unmasked Monomon's tentacles. However, if that is incorrect, then its possible Monomon's mind in the dream world actually had a weak connection to her body in the real world this entire time. Since Quirrel thinks she's calling to him from within the Teacher's Archive, then this would definitively explain how. With a weak connection between her body and mind, her body is fractured, but not completely wiped from existence. If I had to guess, the focus her mask provides her body creates a "focused" connection between the two, allowing her body to fully reform.
Also, if you want an explanation for why Monomon was the only one to implement such an OVERPOWERED protection on her body, my only guess is... she's smart. Or maybe because she's in a tube, and the other Dreamers aren't. No idea honestly on this point xD
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Turns out, I'm not so sure if it would've made sense for Mask Maker's quote to apply to Quirrel EVEN IF his face was covered by Monomon's mask in the Desolate Wastes. Since I concluded the mind provided by Monomon's mask is locked away in the Dream Realm, it wouldn't make sense for the mask to be able to give another mind to another wearer if it only has one mind to give away, right? However I'm unsure if that's how masks even work, or if this is something that should only be applied to Dreamer masks. Whatever the case, we can all agree Mask Maker's quote was a big red herring in relation to Quirrel >:(
love the voice acting! the "project" is gonna turn out great
You're so cool.
I would definitely like to see you make a silksong video
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17:25 That editing is sick
My head canon is that the knight stores masks and charms inside its shell by sliding it inside its eyeholes similar to how it “consumes” power ups
It also does this with Geo. I now want fanart of The Knight, but fat as a seal and with Geo, Masks and Charms pouring out of its eyeholes.
@@Althalus2010 that’s deviant arts job.
Brumm (or whatever the accordion guy after banishing the Grimm troupe is named) mentions he thinks the charm he gives you would look nice on you, implying you wear them. So the knight reaches into their eyes, pulls out a charm, and shoves it onto their cloak like a Boy Scout Badge.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
The knight costumes things with void so it's possible that you are correct but if the void is an infinite space it could just absorb the masks for protection and also the shade could be semi permeable wich is how the knight can hit it with it's nail but it can store things inside it
Makes sense that fury of the fallen would be right next to that lore tablet about unmasking, because the power of fury of the fallen only works when you lose almost all your masks. It clearly has some connection
yep. your last mask, your face. lose it and you lose yourself plus funny risk game
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The Shade even proves this, it's no longer The Knight. When you're restored, you're missing the essence of shade that makes you up so you're basically an empty shell but you still have yourself, your mask. Meanwhile, the maskless shade has no identity and is little more than the shadows in the abyss, mindlessly attacking even you.
I think this is something he kinda neglected to touch properly apon I'm the video - we know that the Pale King isn't exactly trustworthy, and as far as I can tell from the tablet next to fury of the fallen, and the one in the throne room in White Palace, he may have actually benefitted from bugs not wearing masks. PK was all about control, hence why any bugs in the kingdom who didn't fall under his control, or straight up broke free of it (like xero) were often prosecuted or shunned. Only through superior force or bargaining were bugs able to have autonomy from the king (see the mantis village for proof of this - they kept deepnest at bay, so they were left alone). Perhaps the reason the mask maker was hidden away was because the Pale King couldn't outright get rid of all masks, but didn't want them to be used, as with one, bugs would have more individuality and would, more importantly, be able to travel outside of the Kingdom without risk of losing their minds.
(This is obviously just a working theory, but I feel as though it may hold some merit, as it's pretty obvious that the Pale King does have a personal agenda aside from stopping the radiance from taking over)
One thing I love about the moment with Quirrel before he “disappears” is that if you leave tiso on the opposite side of the lake it can be a really symbolic parallel moment of these two adventurers that we have met. Tiso is still looking for more ramp up and will inevitably meet his end in the coliseum. And Quirrel has had a fulfilling adventure for the second time in his life and can go out peacefully knowing he has finished his part. It’s beautiful really.
Yep, tiso seeks for more but quirrel acknowledges that this is the best that the kingdom gets.
Oooh, true, good point! ^^
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yes, i literally have both quirrel and tiso at opposite sides of the lake
i just found it super funny on my recent playthrough that after i had a moment with quirrel and he, well, you know, i then went to find tiso at the other side of the lake saying "UGH THIS PLACE IS BORING I HATE IT HERE"
"...To conceal it *fully* within another..." Maybe the alternative reason to why Quirrel had his mind intact outside the Hallownest was because he didn't wear Monomon's mask properly, giving his mind a weak protection with smaller consequences, those being memory loss.
Sure, it's also possible that it doesn't matter how you wear it as long as it's on you in some way.
That actually makes sense
I still think Quirrel left Hollownest
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@@anthonycostanzo7649 but what does this have to do with my comment
I love all of the refrences to other things and all of music choice and video editing. Felt like a small movie to watch 10/10 would wait again.
To correct the interpretation of the quote stating the mind is 'destroyed', the mask maker also states that those with a strong will, or those with strong ideals, may still pertain a sliver of their original self when they bear the new mask.
Also, I can align the contradiction: The Pale King's beacon gives minds to those without a mask, when otherwise they would need one, but a new mask would somewhat overwrite that mind, but keep aspects of the original if those aspects are deeply rooted in the individual.
I don't agree that the mind is "overwritten", it's rather contained or otherwise influenced by another "state", as Quirrel shows the influence on both "states" is bidirectional. Also if it wasn't for Cc immediately discarding his take on soul-essence because of him not covering his face with his mask in the Wastes, my comment would be a bit longer; but he caught himself, so...
The tablets were only written for higher beings, so maybe them taking off their masks might not hurt them like it would too normal bugs
@@zotethemighty3707 The "higher beings" that the Pale King talks about are his uplifted citizens, and is essentially propaganda.
@@serraramayfield9230 Well, technically they are higher beings, at least when compared to their primitve counterparts, though they indeed do not abide by the "scientific" definition of the term.
I really wish Team Cherry didn't add the whole "higher beings, these words are for you alone" to all the lore tablets, since the concept of higher beings proper isn't even present in the base game outside of the kingsoul description. It's really confusing this way.
@@RodrigoPereira-ws8ok They are not, because TC defines Higher Beings as "beings above all others"; citizens uplifted by PK's beacon clearly are not this as Mantises/Weavers/Spiders/etc also have sentience.
Remind me of the Kingsoul description again?
*Late game spoilers ahead*
Me, with something around 300 hours of playtime: "Oh no! _Anyway"_
Spoilers of hollow knight 112% :troll:
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@@ng42. 112% is the highest you can get, with 12% coming from dlc
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same
something i think about is what the long term effect of wearing masks would be. i often see masks being used as metaphors in all kinds of media, usually about personality. when one wears a fake personality for too long, it eventually becomes hard even for themselves to separate reality from the "mask". maybe when a bug stays too long with a mask, their mind is slowly merged with it. when Nymm loses his mask he also loses his memory, since the mask was part of him for a while, instead of just an item to wear. As mask maker says, it's hard to tell if other bugs are wearing masks or not, and not because they look real, but because at some point they become the same. That would also explain how only bugs with a stronger mind would be able to keep it after removing the mask. maybe thats also why the dreamers dont have a maskless form, since they ended up becoming the same over time (gods know how time works in hollow knight, we can only assume it was for a long while)
it could also explain how Monomon still communicates with quirrel, since he would be quite literally wearing her mind, and maybe he didn't wear it properly precisely because he didn't want his mind to be lost but still wanted the protection. maybe that only slowed down the process of losing one's mind instead of completely stopping it, which is why he lost part of his memories
Just finished watching… HOLY SMOKES I LOVE THIS! The attention to detail, the voice acting, and even the jokes slipped in, it’s so well thought out and the execution was just…. MMMM! I don’t have words to describe it.
Here are some words “subscribe and like the video” how are these words
Okay, but can we just appreciate how _good_ CC's editing had gotten?
it was a cut above the rest from the very beginning, and somehow gets better every vid
And the voice acting
According to Charm Lover Salubra, charms can be made when a bug dies. So perhaps Brumm and Nymm are two different entities and Brumm removing his mask and becoming Nymm killed Brumm and shifted his corpse, his mask, into Carefree Melody.
I just think that Brumm dies as in his personality. The person named Brumm dies. And what is left is Nymm. I think your idea is creative but I also think that its possible for a person to die without their body dying.
I find masks one of the most interesting things in Hollow Knight lore. At first, you dont even think about them, but when you look closer at the details of the game, you see how they're everywhere and their existance is sure of great importance to a deep, truly deep lore of the entire universe of the game, not just Hallownest. They might be the one thing in the middle of it all, the answer to everything. And I feel like there is still so much information missing, so many unanswered questions. I really hope we see a continuation to that lore in Silksong.
My first thought when looking at the scattered masks littering the land of storms was that maybe they were all attempts at creating the mask that they currently use to attune? It seems pretty complicated and it would not surprise me in the slightest if it took them a long time to make a working one.
True
Lots of respect for the Brumm appreciation! His role in the grimm troupe is generally clowned on for stealing away the chance to fight Nightmare Grimm, but what the cause he fought for was a meaningful one.
From what I understand, the Mask Maker and Pale King don't necessarily contradict each other.
The Mask Maker uses "Concealed Self", rather than previous self. This means that the mind isn't actually gone forever, but the previous line insinuates it isn't active, or whatever the terminology would be. From my understanding, the mind itself isn't destroyed, but the sense of self, the existence of the bug.
The Pale King wanting to have the bugs unmask is for them to be themselves, to be proud of who they are or something like that. If this is similar or at least partially true, it might explain some stuff.
Im probably wrong tho, but it might help explain something. I just thought it was interesting he still refers to the self as existing in a concealed form rather than destroyed, right after he says its destroyed.
The slivers that leak through might be able to break through the seal of binding. It might slso be that thing that protected the White Palace, with will being enough to break through a weaker version.
This is mostly my speculation, I think. Anyways, that's my understanding.
This vid made me make my own OC. His name is Quadrollo, he is the warrior of the city of tears and an expert of soul and nail.
so, A Soul Warrior
So, a soul kjight or smt
Is he skinny? bcuase he's just a skinny Soul Warrior then.
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Finally another video from mossba-
Oh.
Loved the editing as always! :D
in case you want to compare
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Bugs are pretty cool, they eat leaves and don’t afraid of anything.
They also are not bound by morality.
@@nkyfong and they never take fall damage
Sort of like John Halo
@@nkyfong wait what?
Don't afraid of anything hm?
Another banger of a lore vid, Cc! It never ceases to amaze me how consistent the deep lore of this game goes. Way to make my aching for Silksong resurface. Well done, friend.
that’s what the point of the mask is?
but genuinely this video was amazing, keep up the great work dude!!
Oh , it really is you hi Northirn hope you are doing well
They also made a nice accessory for your character.
bro literally didnt ask
CURSE you and your bloodline, i regret having memory of that now
n o r m a l p i l l s
Welp, you've convinced me.
I'll add a Hollow Mask to some of my art from now on
I’m an oversimplified mask.
Amen
You’re an oversimplified soul orb
23:15 maybe to "wear" it means only to have it close, like having it under your cloak, as a hat, inside your mind (From the Beacon) like Monomon or with a Game Theory of the knight, to just have it inside your cloak/shade/body/whatever it is
In regards to the point of the Godseeker potentially being able to store all the minds within herself without wearing multiple masks, it's also possible that it's a similar situation to the knight. In that all of the masks the knight wears aren't applied to the character modles in game. So then the question becomes how one would wear all of the masks if they were applied.
Perhaps mask with a connection to powerful forces or outside effects can simply.. grow 'denser', meaning they deepen their ability" but maintain the same amount of are, wether their would be an actual weight difference from such a thing is.. up to interpretation
I had a head canon of how the masks work for the knight (and by extension the vessels) that each mask the player has acts somewhat like a protective seal of binding but weaker, designed to break and mend to the wearer’s will (as an actual seal of binding would be too restrictive). With each mask worn, a layer of protection for the knight, kind of like a Russian doll. This works with the theory that the knight wears all its masks at once. It’s last mask acts to keep the void and/or shade inside its shell and when that last mask breaks there is nothing to keep what tries to escape from freedom.
But how does this work with other bugs? Well what if masks didn’t work the same between different bugs? We know that the vessels weren’t created like normal bugs so why should they need masks that expand their mind? They need no mind to think, no will to break, no voice to cry suffering. The vessels aren’t supposed to have a mind so need no masks, only the shells they’re already provided with at birth and are given masks to keep the shade inside their shell.
But that’s just my theory, have fun with it!
For the vessels, given their objective, I think the masks represent a set of instructions
The end objective for each vessel is given as follows:
- locate source of infection
- seal vessel within oneself
However, in their default "shade" state, they don't actually do anything; shades float around their spawn location unless they detect the PC. Therefore, additional instructions are required to explain how vessels should fulfill their objective. These additional instructions are as follows:
- movement and navigation
- identify and attack enemies
- interact with non-hostiles
Each of the above points are performed solely in regards to the primary objective, limiting the chance for independent thought and development of a mind
...however, on their respective journeys, vessels can encounter obstacles and events not covered by the above instructions, thus requiring a final catch-all statement:
- acquisition of additional knowledge and abilities
This final point allows for creative thinking and, judging by the sheer number of bodies, is not present in all vessels and is ultimately what allows escape from The Abyss. However, it also allows for independent thought. As a result, any vessel that escapes The Abyss also has the capacity to gain "an idea instilled", or an instruction outside the scope of their primary objective.
"Let all bask in your true form."
Completed masks hide your true form.
The lore tablet is next to Fury of the Fallen, which gives you strength when you only have one mask.
I would assume this is just alluding to Fury giving you extra power when you "shed your mask layers, exposing your true form beneath" or something like that
I love the editing and all the mask submissions! But... I wonder if the knight could wear all of their masks of health at once🤔
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really great video!!! it's incredibly well-made and thought-out. also the editing is marvelous! /gen
(i'm the voice actor of jiji btw :D)
congrats Maya
@@jwsp1231 thanks jonah
Thats so cool. You captured Jiji's vibes and really nailed (no pun intended) her voice!
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Dawg what the hecc, your editing is so good??? This video felt so professional, between the slick visuals, the SFX, the VA's you called in, the music (MAT my beloved), not to mention the actual script and the narrative you built. Man I love your videos so much! I hope you have a great day and can keep making amazing stuff like this :)
Ah Cc, great job as always!
Every time I hear some of my music in the background a big big smile suddenly appears on my face :)
And the way you shortened Highway of Pain at 28:08 is just perfect, couldn't have done better!
I haven't even scratched the surface of your amazing HK synth remixes, keep up the good work!
I think a lot of what Mask Maker says is figurative. It could be what TC intended, but I never thought it literally meant masks give sentience.
For me it meant: masks are an avenue to disguise your original features so that you are unrecognizable. But you can become too used to that new look and "lose" your original identity.
That can be a metaphor for just acting differently to give yourself a different persona. If you get too used to that persona then you might become that persona.
Masks do seem to have a lot of prevalence in Hollow Knight, but I don't think that they are actually that important.
Godseeker is a different story, sure they're masks that they wear, but that's not the key detail. God tuners make it easier to concentrate your thoughts towards something (in other words, to focus).
I never agreed with what mossbag said about masks actually changing the wearer. Dreamer masks actually served a function, but likely didn't need to even be a mask to work. Monomon probably helped Quirrel to survive outside of Hallownest, since we know she is still connected to him through the mask which contains a fragment of her existing mind.
Regardless, I can't explain this all in a UA-cam comment, and I've already written more than people are willing to read.
Simple explanation that means you don’t have to throw out your theory: just as M’s mask acts like a link between the dream world and reality, it can be used to give you most of the effects of the Beacon from basically anywhere, acting kinda like a redstone repeater from Minecraft. This is due to the fact that M’s body is in Hallownest.
I’ve been dying for a new lore video ever since I picked up hollow knight myself. And mask maker is my second favourite character so I’m sure this’ll be fun!
Amazing video! I wonder if Quirrel wearing the mask part way was a way to protect his mind while not being overridden by Monomon's mind while in the wastes outside Hollownest.
Can we talk about how the outro music slaps hard, and how someone finally made a memorial to Brumm and Quirrel.
A new cc video is like christmas
The mask maker does resemble the kingsmolds a bit. I think this suggests they may have been created by someone for the purpose of making masks.
Masks are going to be a huge part of the plot of a certain something involving Hollow Knight I'm making, so you bet I'll go buckwild with them
Only 7 minutes in but can I just say I love the voice acting here? Great work
“Oh, you don’t know mask lore, huh?”
Me who watched all of mossbags videos: *I N C O R R E C T*
Definitely worth the wait... Well done cc!
Wow, I love the voice acting and editing! I feel like I'm in a modern interactive museum lol
Comparing the godseeksers to the minions was something I didn't know I wanted to hear.
These voice actors are so talented! :o
I learned, I cried, I laughed. This was an expertly made video, and I loved every second.
All your jokes made me laugh, and I now have a deeper appreciation for the masks, as I never really thought much about them.
Man, your style of editing is so good, I'm surprised you aren't followed more!
The ancient mask in "hidung the true self" refers to locking away the shade inside. The only one that uses *ancient* masks is the knight, not the rest of the bugs, except maybe the dreamers, and that special mask makes them sleep forever
Perhaps the mask and what it conceals can communicate, meaning that monomon instructed her unmasked mind to call out the knight and quarrel in her absence
I love how simple vessels are to draw. I'm not even an artist, half the stuff I can pull off is stick figures, but vessels...
I made on that was literally a cracked face, with a left horn snapped off and replaced with a hive crystal. He also had a raggedy cloak.
THATS IT.
I think that the reason you can't dream nail monomon without the mask is since the mask holds some of her mind, as the mask maker says that the mask destroys the mind, i just think that it holds the mind within masks, which is also why the king encourages to remove masks, improving the remaining brain, beyond the original power, and shows that masks do still improve your mind, kind of like getting extra storage space added on to an old laptop with a UCB stick
Edit:
It also explains brum, since his grimm self was lost when he took his mask off, and his original brain was expanded and he lost the other part of his brain when he took off his mask
I can try to explain the contradiction between mask maker and the lore tablet in king’s pass:
The lore tablets in king’s pass are addressed to higher beings, while Mask Maker was addressing bugs in general. That pretty much explains it, but it’s time for some speculation. Mask maker says that “those of striking will may still a retain a slither of that concealed self.” Higher beings definitely fit this bill, but why would whoever wrote these tablets want higher beings to reveal themselves? The Pale King never took off his mask for all we know, and when the Radiance made herself known, the entire kingdom was thrown into chaos. In my opinion, it’s either directly addressed to Vessels, or simple foreshadowing. Being the children of the Pale King and White Lady, the Vessels could be considered higher beings as well. The knight only defeated the Radiance when all the siblings in their shade forms, he took off his mask to reveal his shade, but the shit out of the Radiance, and dragged the Radiance into the void. So yeah, that’s my interpretation of that Lore Tablet.
This has to be the highest quality Hollow Knight video I have ever seen
so maybe the kings becon just effects the dream world version and by having a mask that form is being revealed in the normal world....i guess....
and he might have effected only the dream world because the radiance was also in it i think.
Nice video cc! I really liked the animations that the characters had
Mask maker unmasked looks like a member of the Grimm Troupe who managed to quit
For what I interpret,the pk is a antenna,the bug are like tv and the mask are expander,normally bug would get the signal without problem but some with have limited signal so the mask improve the resection,losing a mask is losing that extra resection becoming limited again.
If you look closely at monomon's "jar" (while she is inside it) you can kinda see a seal of binding.
such a great video! the production quality was amazing. the editing complimented the audio perfectly, and you made some great points, helping me understand the lore of those darned masks a bit better. good job!
The voices you picked for this were ON POINT! Great idea to recruit from the community, CC! :D
who tf voice acted the Mask Maker? That voice acting is perfect for him!
Patrick Compton you madlad
The fact that this video was made almost a day ago and I created my own hollow knight oc almost a week or so ago and struggled to make a unique mask design for a bit is a bit weirdly timed on my part XD, although technically my oc's mask is the whole situation of "can't tell the difference between mask and face" type of thing
My headcannon is that when putting on an Ancient Mask, it shapeshifts into the shape of your own mask and fuses with it to make it thicker, and therefore stronger.
When a bug leaves the kingdom… THEY TURN INTO A FREAKING PNG!
This feels like a mat pat video but actually done well with accurate information lmao
Since one side of the mask looks like its woven from spiders silk and I know the spiders can do some crazy stuff with it, perhaps the ancient masks are sewn somehow inside the knights mask to make it more resistant
Loved it, Cc! You continue to entertain and excel at doing so x)
Please stop making me cry over Quirrel I’ve already given him so many tears
imo it makes more sense that quirrel would wear the mask without covering his face, as it might not completely erase his mind when he puts it on that way. maybe he knew the seal of binding would protect him outside of hallownest anyway, and he wanted to keep a bit of himself in existence.
Ah, CC, I see you're going to Unmask the truth! You've gone through the wastes to find the connection between the faceless facts and lies, yet in the end it seems as though the face concealed was yet another mask. Maybe we'll get that sweet sweet mask lore in zoteboat.
I have a hollow knight oc called lacewing (named long before silksong was announced) that is essentially a prototype vessel. With this new information, I can totally imagine her face being less of a face and more of a mask
Great video, have some of my own interpretations and theories to come up with now 🔍
But really this whole thing is so interesting and cryptic... Glad I can finally understand some of the basics! Thanks Maci!
8:25 isn’t part of the spiel of deep nest that they didn’t want to live under the pale kings beacon? so the mask maker would sell there because it is where he can grant the most mind through his work.
Blasphemy, no one could possibly possess Zote's face. He is far too mighty upon us mortal scum.
I love all the visual bits you put in, very fun!
Ah I love your lore videos! It always feels like watching a movie or reading a full story. This has been extremely interesting in particular. Great job!
This video is a piece of art, the editing was amazing the voice acting was amazing 10/10 would watch again.
Are we forgetting that Monomon is a Jelly?
They don’t even have heads, so wouldn’t the mask just be propped up on the upper half of her ‘head’ or, body, as a mask?
9:23
use the tnt exploit to break the bedrock
I love these long videos about specific things.
I have been thinking for a while about something that might help us understand 2 major occurences in Hollow Knight. The first is: Why are there so many bodies in the abyss?
Well the short awnser is... they arent bodies. They are masks. This as weird as it sounds explains a lot. The Mask Maker was put into an egg like the White Lady and Hollow Knight to slave away for the rest of his(possibly endless) life creating masks. This could explain why we see very few actual eggs like the one our character came out of. The actual bug (or bugs) inside could have been affected by the void tendrils that we see going inside them, which in turn made them into the shades we see and can fight in the Abyss. They were given physical form through the shells and failed continiusly hence using so many masks that they now cover the flour and some of the walls of that place. But when the Abyss was sealed there werent eny more masks delivered there, thus we dont see any other vessels apart from our player, HK and the broken vessel which isnt inhabited by a shade but rather the infection, because in their attempts to escape used their masks until there were none to inhabit.
As for Quirrel, well the explanation that he died due to old age is probably the most logical one, however, it could also be the fact that without a mask shielding his mind, he went out of Hollownest, ither through his own will or because without his mask (or Monnomons mask) he gradually lost all his memories and thus forgot who he was, why he was holding a nail (which is why he left it despite him talking about the importance of keeping your weapon tended to) and what he was doing.
So yeah I do think that this explanation about the vessels is a very logical one and so I belive it but as for the two possibilities about Quirrel, I dont really think them plausible, but it is something to keep in mind. Great video by the way, got me thinking a bit.
Perhaps monomon didnt call OUT to quirrel from WITHIN the archives, but instead LEAD quirrel TO the archives from her mask, and the knight ariving at the same time is just a coincedence and quirrel was just wrong...
I'm pretty sure that masks have different effets on each bugs, and that even masks makers doesn't understand them.
Also, it is possible that mask makers' masks are very different from their godseeker and grim counter part.
I think that what mask makers mean when he say that the true form is destroyed is not litteral, but simple that their is no comparing a bug without a mask and a bug with a mask.
Something that you left out is the mention to how not all the bugs need a mask. I think for Quirrel, he doesn't need a mask because his mind is already developed on its own. However, he looses his memory either because his mind was still a little expanded by the white king, but there is also the possibility that loosing the influence of the king, his light, was a traumatic experience for Quirrel, which is why he only lost his memory.
I think the Mask Maker is just making regular masks. The masks of the goodseekers are very different from all others, and those of the Grimm Troupe have the eyes crossed, which could link back to how they don't help them focus, but instead enslave them to the Nightmare Heart.
Bugs heightened by the Pale King's beacon (which presumably includes Quirrel) are supposed to lose their minds entirely should they leave the beacon's range. Quirrel losing his memories only seems to be an exception to the rule, likely due to him wearing a powerful magical artifact possessed by an ancient bug on his head.
Hollow Knight lore! It’s been a while.
Zote came from out of hallownest too, and he seems to have his mind intact. as much as it ever was.
man, I came back to rewatch this video, and I love it, but dear lord, I forgot how many times I cringed when you said "of striking, will may"
Instead of "of striking will, may" which makes more sense, as it says those of striking will may keep a sliver of their self without the mask, solving ur qurriel issue
This channel provides some of the absolutely most well-edited hollow knight content on the platform. It’s always a delight.
you have an amazing power, the power of delivering both knowledge and humour
an absolute blockbuster, as always. Great job!
I'm only here for the pale king asmr but nice video
that was amazing, everything was put so well together :)
In true ending, after beating the final phase of moth the knight takes off his mask and cape to become a weird void creature that slaps the boss. Maybe that's the knights true form.
Basically my summary for myself to get my thoughts in a line: The nightmare heart and the wyrm created or found a line of servants whose actions would assist in the obtaining of their goals. The nightmare heart in order to ensure the completion of the cycle of self-preservation gave the troupe masks that attuned them to its desires, and thus was able to continue its life, through the repeated completion of this cycle. The Wyrm, differently, to obtain glory and rule a massive kingdom, needed its followers to simply share its ambition and go after their goals. I believe the masks made by the mask maker make the non-troupe bugs of hallownest want to seek out glory for themselves, and by doing so the wyrm gets closer to its goal. Keeping void inside of a mask creating the knight/hollow knight then makes sense because a void being going after glory would involve stopping the radiance and eventually combining/gaining focus and taking over. Lastly like mentioned in the video, the godseekers' masks are simply made to attune to whatever god they deem the most powerful. When the void attains focus in the godseeker ending, the godseeker willingly lets it take over itself because it simply wishes to help fulfill its desires. I'm happy with that conclusion, I love how thoroughly I can think about something as "small" as masks (small when learning the lore, they're pretty essential to the game itself)
Dude, your editing is god tier
charms are only created when someone dies so, we can be certain that unmasking is unsafe, because unless brumm is just carrying carefree melody around all the time, it must have been created when brumm unmasks, and therefore it can be concluded that unmasking generates a charm, which is only generated when you die, so brumm unmasking is directly correlated to brumm "dying" (or at least their mind ceasing to exist).
Counterpoint to your complaints about Mask Makers quote and Quirrel: Quirrel already has higher intelligence. Mask Maker only says SOME bugs need a mask, not all of them. This is further exemplified by bugs like Zote, Cloth, Tiso, Cornifer, and Iselda all having memories of before they came to Hallownest, specifically why they came there. Zote to fulfill a promise, Cloth to find a foe that could kill her so she could be reunited with Nola, Tiso to fight in the Colosseum (something the manual mentions those outside of Hallownest know about, which would be impossible if memory deleting masks were required in the wastes), Cornifer to map the place, and Iselda to be with Cornifer.
i have started drawing oc alien warriors in complex military regiments all part of an empire, i haven't drawn the emperor yet im still working on the "mech division", and unless they are 'mutated' they kinda look like someone slapped arms and tentacles and armor and guns and blades onto lurien's mask.
with the mask's dark spot being the eye.
I always visualized the masks as adding a thin layer onto the knight’s head. Like rings on a tree. Mainly cause the masks and the shell of the knight are the same color :)
I've already seen two of your video essays on hollow knight lore, how am i not subscribed yet
This was a really well put together video!! Also, remember to wear a mask everyone!