Don’t ever apologize for these whiny ass commenters. If they want something done differently they can purchase the ammo and film/edit a video themselves (all while getting shit on by people like themselves) If they are paying money for the product they have a little room for criticism otherwise if they don’t like it they can move on. Great video bud I appreciate the time and effort you put into your content.
I don't care about other people's whining but I don't like the fact that he shoots low with the 45 and then got the nerve to say was a centralized shot I'm not blind
@@dojos2874 it was the answer the to the question the FBI asked and they used it for 30 years. It is now outdated in a similar manner to the 45 LC. Both saw an extended period of practical use and as technology and methodology improved their practicality decreased along with their popularities. Both will still function for their intended usages however, there are currently more practical options available.
@@phillipmargrave All semi-auto handgun calibers are weak compared to a grown-ass rifle round. Shot placement is key, not a difference of 1 milimeter or a few more joules (or lbs (?) in customary units? - I believe in metric system) of energy.
.40 is harder to control in a plastic frame firearm. Chamber a .40 into an all metal frame like the Beretta 96 or the Taurus 100/101 and it handles it like a champion. However those firearms are large and heavy, not easily/conveniently concealed which is what drives US market sales.
@@phillipmargrave I am of the mindset that it isn't just the polymer frame, but the size/weight as a whole. Full-size polymer pistols like your typical M2.0 & Glock 22/35 don't seem to get the same 'snappiness' complaints and general dislike that the compact, subcompact, microcompacts, and so on get. A lot of it too at the end of the day is training and mentality. Plenty of people shoot handgun cartridges vastly more energetic without fuss, so at least some of it is on the people, not the gun, but yeah, you are right about the 96-type guns.
Love how you falsely state that. I got closer after the very first shot so that I would be in frame like I wanted to be, then stayed in that spot for the remainder of the video. Unless of course you want to disect it down to mere inches like some smuck, then I'll admit to a negligible 2-3 inch variance from shot to shot...
It seems like .40 is most effective, with the most different loads, at dumping energy in the target, plus it has a bit more energy in most comparable loads. Thats why it performs well in tests like this. I'm guessing rhe gold dot expanded the fastest and was on its way to less penetration than the slow 9mm and and Hornady projectile in the .45. Tests like this always have downsides and what if's. It's impossible to cover everything, but it sure would be fun to try! Keep up the good work.
Appreciated you going with what you got. These tests are close enough bud. You went the extra mile. Someone is gonna complain either way so do what you can/want.
Good stuff. Appears to provide a demonstration of the energy transfer of the 40 over the 9 at least. Not an all inclusive display but observable. Look forward to shotgun test & rifle. Thanks.
The truncated bullet of the .40 may also play a small factor in initial energy transfer into a target, but I think the major factors are still speed and weight.
I carry a .40 SW and I take it to the range regularly it packs a punch and is guaranteed to do a lot of damage especially with Self Defense ammunition.
The cutout you made to pour in the water was also the weak spot in the comparison. When the projectile impacted the pumpkin, it created pressure inside the pumpkin and the weakest point of exit was the hole for the plug which reduced the pressure overall. No test is ever perfect but what is perfect is watching the exploding pumpkins. Thank you for your efforts,
I've had a few comments like this, but I see no geysers of pressurized water shooting out of those holes. Let's just say in the upcomming shotgun and rifle videos, it made no difference...
Came here to say this. You need to seal the cut out so it's doesn't serve as a pressure release. I'm sure you did some other test that it worked, but science is science. Sealing the cut out will make a huge difference.
@ Tristan - I believe you mean the Extreme Defenders. They are almost identical to the Penetrators, but the flutes are larger for more fluid disruption and shallower penetration than the Penetrators.
Thanks for the video. I definitely understand having to buy your own ammo. Would like to see how premium ammo would do in the 9mm and 45. Nothing compares to Gold Dots and HST.
shootin stuff is always fun, even if not visually spectacular. the load is what makes the caliber, especially in the bigger 3. you can make either one far better or far worse than the others. for now we shoot what we have and that's good enough. reloading does make a big difference tho
I’d like to see again simply because I believe all 180 grain 40s are basically equally effective. Premium in 9 are crucial. In 40, I’m happy to save $ on the JHPs
Energy transfer explains the explosive results of the .40 with less power. I see the same thing when shooting lead round ball vs. conical lead bullets. The lead round ball is less powerful than the bullet, but loses more speed in the target (ie. dumps more energy in the target than the backstop behind it).
wow totally impressed with the 40 caliber speed and weight totally destroys things there's proof right there 9 mm have speed but it doesn't have a lot of weight flies right through 45 have a lot of weight but not a lot of speed but it's still a good round totally knock you off your ass but that 40 with the speed of a nine in the weight it has is totally a badass
.45 won’t knock you down at all there’s a video proving it of someone getting shot with it wearing a vest. And .40 is barely more powerful than 9mm nor is .45
@@SuperD00D 45 acp knockdown power is not about pushing someone over. It's about killing power, retard. The 45 has better killing power than the piddly little 9mm.
Great vid. Very interesting and informative. Thanks a bunch for posting. Please don't listen to the haters. Take your time and give us all the info you can. Love the channel.
A human isn't built like a pumpkin though. I wouldn't chance my life. I've seen too many videos of men absorbing multiple 9mm hits, but its what I carry.
Trouble is pumpkins just like wood is made By Nature. Meaning the material your shooting is all over the charts because each one will or should be close. One will be the weakest, one will be the strongest , the rest will be variable. Fun to watch though 👍🇺🇸
You mentioned the 180 gr. bullet is a bit on the heavy side for .40 S&W. Actually its the traditional loading for that round. When Smith originally released the .40, one of the selling points was that it had similar power to the .45 auto with less recoil. If you do the math, the ME for each round is almost the same (361 ft./lbs. vs 369 ft./lbs.) and with a 50 grain difference between the respective bullets, there is likely a very noticeable difference in recoil (I have never fired a .45). I know the .40 recoils very much like the 9mm, with a slightly sharper kick. The 165 gr. bullet was originally the light bullet alternative load.
I keep getting both sides of the argument in the comments. Here's how I'm looking at it, by modern day ammo selection... 9mm, .40, and .45 all have 3 common weights when buying generic on the shelf ammo, that generally all the common manufactures offer- so they each have a light, medium, and heavy load that is common. There are probably 20 different 9mm weights available for example, as low as 40 grains to as high as 190gr- but that's not what I'm talking about. So in speaking of said 3 common weights in each caliber, the lightweight offering in 9mm, .40, and .45 is 115gr/155gr/185gr. For the midweight, 124gr/165gr/200gr. And finally for the heavy, 147gr/180gr/230gr. Thus, 180gr by todays standard, is the (common) heavy load for the .40s&w. I understand the historical designation that you reference, but the above is why I stated what I did in the video. So it's all about perspective, and that was my perspective when stating what I did.
@@BuckeyeBallistics You'd be surprised (or maybe not!) by the number of people who'd take what you said on face value and spin it into, "oh, that's the heavy bullet, so the 165 gr. must be the 'normal' bullet weight". Actually, the 165 gr. bullet was the lighter, faster alternative. These days, its the middle weight bullet. Times change. I just get older and smell increasingly odd. =)
So again, by todays standards and offerings, what I said was therefore (in that manner) correct. Perhaps next time I should declare "by todays standards" to clarify (or just buy 165gr and disregard mentioning it lol). And I would indeed be surprised if anyone looked to me as an authorative figure on the subject, seeing as how the comments section on most of my videos, are always littered with people complaining and arguing with what was said or done within said video. Everyone's a critic and knows better than me apparently lol (I'm not referring to your nuetral and informative comment, always love hearing from you).
Thanks for the video. That takes a lot of time to set up, shoot and edit. I wonder about taping the cut wedge in place if it would have kept the water pressure in the pumpkin longer to give a larger exploding factor. Very appreciative of this video for enjoyment.
I'm not sure, but I didn't see any real geysers shooting out the holes so I doubt it would make much difference. I used to cut the entire top off like when carving them, but that would have taken much too long for all these pumpkins lol. Glad you like the video...
lower grain with higher velocities would make the bullet better at penetrating than transferring energy. A heavier bullet retains more energy, that's why heavier bullets are better for longer ranges because they have less drop and wind drift from retaining energy. If he ran heavy +p that would result in the best explosion.
@chris - Nope, you're completely wrong. Obviously you've never heard of energy dump, which is multiplied greatly the lighter and faster the bullet is. I don't know where you learned your physics, but heavier (and thus slower) bullets always penetrate more- this is the exact reason people carry heavy and slow hardcast bullets for bear protection. I did this exact test with rifles and I shot 5.56 against 7.62x39 and 2 others. The bigger, heavier, slower 7.62x39 with MORE energy barely did anything to the pumpkin, whereas the lighter and faster 5.56 with LESS energy completely obliterated it. Why? Faster and lighter = energy dump. The 7.62x39 didn't dump any of it's energy into the pumpkin- it took it with it. Check it out in the caliber comparison playlist on the channel. Also, I do ballistic gel test videos and you can see the same thing in my gel test videos- lighter and faster = bigger wound cavity but short penetration. Heavier and slower = smaller wound cavity but more penetration.
If you want to explode the pumpkins, you must do two things: 1). Fill them up 100% with water. 2). The hole you made, must be duct taped closed with one full wrap of tape all the way around the pumpkin. The energy forces it’s way out of the path of least resistance and pops like a champagne cork. Comtrol those two things and you will have exploding pumpkins at the range.
@@BuckeyeBallistics true, but a 9mm will explode a water filled pumpkin, as long as it’s completely filled and sealed off. I’ve been doing it since the 70’s when my dad showed us kids that.
Oh I know 9mm will. But I garuntee you it was ammo selection and not the hole in the top. As I stated in the video, the right 124gr 9mm load as opposed to the heavy slow 147gr used, would have made the pumpkin explode. HST's and Gold Dots come to mind...
Yeah if you want to risk one tipping over during trasport and emptying 5 bottles of water onto the floor... I have a bumpy 40 minute drive to get to this location.
Haha I was gonna do this for this season but forgot to grab some pumpkins at the grocery store. I should do revolvers. You got real thorough with this one.
I hope you can make it to the shotgun and rifle version when they post over the next few days- things got real interesting! You should definately do the revolvers, that's one thing I don't have yet. I'll be tuning in for that one for sure... Gonna pin your comment so everyone can go check it out...
@@BuckeyeBallistics I don't mind, thank you. I was thinking, eh maybe I won't i'm tired....then someone pins i'm going to lol. I am just messing around, thank you.
I agree 100% - I have some pretty mean .45 loads that would hit those pumpkins harder than the .40 did, but the same could be said for the .40 as well...
The property owner actually does that there every year, has a get-together and everyone competes to see who can carve the best pumpkin with guns. There are a few rules to keep it challenging, like you have to shoot 3 times per eye with a pistol at 7 yards or so standing, but only allowed 10 or so shots for the mouth- something like that (I forget the exact rules). So skill and accuracy really come into play, as does a caliber and bullet style strategy. I won my first time out 2 years ago, didn't make it last year because I had the virus. But I should back in it this year and plan to take the gold again 😅
Oh they could certainly do that, they just wouldn't win lol. The year I went a guy bought a pumpkin for the long gun carving competition, and just blasted it with a 12 gauge for fun lol.
Always fun shooting pumpkins! lol! Might try putting a piece of duct tape over those plugs you cut to fill with water, they look like they was acting as a pop off valve releasing pressure. They might do better! have a good one thanks for the content
The 147 grain 9mm load shot is adequate, but not explosive. A decent 115 grain hollow point from a 9mm going over 1200 feet per second will show different results.
I stated this in the video when examining the pumpkins at the end. But then I would have had to use 185gr for the .45 and 155gr for the .40 to be a fair comparison, which I didn't have...
@@BuckeyeBallistics I like the 9mm’s versatility. Speaking of 115 grain projectiles-you can fire one at 1,150 feet per second (standard pressure). That’s your Winchester White box load out of a 4 inch barrel. Bump it up to 1,200 feet per second plus and you have their Silvertip load; or some offering from Black Hills. At 1350 feet per second you have the fabled Illinois State Police load. Corbon, Federal and a few other make this load.
I have 9mm loads that produce over 500ft-lbs energy and even made a video proving such (chrono + basic math). Buffalo Bore and Underwood were part of that video. I need to get some Corbon's...
The 40 Smith & Wesson is so much more powerful than the 9mm with weight training hand strength exercises anybody should be able to use it by the way barns makes a tax x 380 that has wonderful tests on the videos that I've seen about it check it out
You mean the Tac XPD? I gel tested those earlier this year. Awesome expansion, would have done more damage in this test. But due to the expansion and light weight of the .380 projectile, they don't penetrate that deep.
@@BuckeyeBallistics It is only 6-8 inches of depth to reach the heart. The FBI based all their stats on just one shot that failed to reach the heart by a little bit. In Sarnow and Marshall's books-Street Stoppers and Stopping- you can read about the results of other departments testing ammo. Not all agreed with the FBI.
Unless you are a 300lb monster, it's actually a lot shorter depth than that. But from my understanding/view, the whole minimum penetration thing in gel is to account for bones getting in the way, specifically for shots from the side. In a shootout, usually the perp is not not presenting his entire chest for you to easily poke through. Imagine them turned sideways running for cover as they are simultaneously shooting back at you (happens often)- or even my own shooting stance, which turns my chest mostly away and presents my side. Try getting through that large arm bone and then ribs, or a shoulder, and still hit vitals with something that only penetrates 9-10" in bare gel. I just watched a test last night where they were shooting a ballistic gel dummy with bones and organs and everything with multiple pistols. One of the shots was with a .25acp. In ballistic gel, .25acp penetrates 9"-11" depending on ammo selection. They hit the sternum dead center and the bullet stopped on top of the bone just 1" under the gel, whereas otherwise it would have penetrated a minimum of 9" into the gel. I'm sure the Tac XPD .380 round would have busted through the sternum, but how far would it have traveled afterward? Probably only a couple inches. A big arm bone would almost certainly stop it...
@@BuckeyeBallistics I have seen the .380 penetrate metal ammo cans, coconuts and pineapples. It can go thru bone also. If a thug is running I say let him go as we have a duty to be responsible not to miss and shoot other people by mistake. If that happens then the anti gun nuts would use it as a reason to keep us from carrying guns in public.
I said running away while still shooting at you. If they are still shooting, they are cleary still a threat- not to mention the fact that they may just be seeking cover to reload and continue shooting (think mass shootings). Also, in those scenarios where they may be shooting from behind cover (say a car), you're gonna want more penetration to get through the car (many 9mm rounds can achieve this for example). And a .22 can shoot through all those things you just mentioned, so that's not saying much. 99% of the time a few shots from ANY pistol is going to end the fight, nobody is debating that here. For that other 1% however, that is where the extra penetration will save lives. I'm not one of those guys advocating for 17"-18" of penetration, but I do like to see at least the minumum 12" for the reasons mentioned in my responses. If you don't feel the same way that it fine...
I think you have to cut the stem out for your fill hole, because if there's any air left in there it's going to reduce your explosive effect. Then maybe duct tape the piece down so there's a little resistance before if pops out.
A 22lr on the hip is better than anything in a safe or in a drawer at home. My mom’s 22lr saved her life from an assailant with a knife that tried to force her into her car. She didn’t even have to get the pistol all the way out before he ran off. As soon as he saw her pulling out her gun from her waistband he stopped and ran away.
Yes I know, I own it in several calibers. Several companies out there now making similar ammo, but Liberty and RIP were some the the originals. I was going for comparison with what people commonly carry, not complete obliteration. In the future however I'll make videos like this with those kinds of rounds. In the meantime, I do have gel tests of them...
Seems like my center shot that I hit with my .45 colt round on the pumpkin I shot without being water filled is more like how your 9mm round hit the pumpkin filled with water
The only 3 calibers I've seen do good on pumpkins was 357mag 44mag and 500S&W but I wonder what NOVX 9MM ENGAGEMENT EXTREME 65GR would do since they advertise it dose well in liquid type targets
I could have shot it with Liberty Civil Defense (50gr, 2100fps) and I garuntee you it would have exploded (I have some). But, I was trying to use more traditional ammo since less than 5% of people are going to carry something like what you or I mentioned...
xtp's are designed for a more controlled expansion (less expansion & deeper penetration)...original purpose was a hunting round where thru & thru penetration is desired (for bleeding out to aid in tracking)
I wonder what a 230 grain Federal HST would have done. I imagine a bit more dramatic. Fun to watch. I’d love to see how a 350-400 grain HP out of a 45-70 will do. Buckshot will destroy it. I’m interested in how a 22 WMR and 17 HMR from a rifle will handle the test.
I used a .450 Bushmaster in the rifle version (when it posts), which is very similar performance to .45-70. I also used a .22wmr in the same video, which in my cantelope rimfire video, did about the same as the .17hmr. So basically, stay tuned for the rifle version!
Check out my .380 gel tests to see what performs the best 👍 I made a .380 gel test playlist for quick access to the videos. She's no 9mm and certainly no .40, but there are some that don't do so bad. S&W makes the Shield in .40 if you need a .40 in a smaller package...
Here in Alaska the 10MM semi auto has become the big bear attack stopper recently as vs 44 mag. More rounds faster ect. Either will blow a grizzlys head up. SURPRISINGLY i got to shoot my friends 1st 10MM yesterday using regular S&B loads & it has LESS recoil than my wifes 40 does.( course we run hot bear loads in her 40) Didnt see that coming at all. One of our older F&G guys has been using his 40 for decades & swears by it as a bear stopper. Since hes put down several problem bears hed know. Go figure...... personally, i prefer my 454 Casull but its full sized & HEAVY with WAY more recoil that the 44s using the hot Buffalo bore loads. Hits 18 inches higher too @100 yds w both being zeroed at 25 yards. THAT was Another surprise. After a near fatal charging moose encounter with the 44 i switched up to the 454. Put 5 through its heart in less than 50 feet & it still didnt knock it down, and it was a small moose. Did find all 5 of the 44 bear loads under the fur of the rear flank fur. 10 ft of total penetration but NO knockdown power. Put the 6th round through both shoulders as it was coming down on our sled pount blank. That only knocked the moose over the 3 ft snow berm & it STILL hobbled past both our sleds & got back on the trail before collapsing. Both shoulder joints compleatly shattered. My son on the sled ehind our bearcat said all he heard was one continous roar & one long continuous flame coming out of the bbl til the last shot. Its amazing how fast one can pull the trigger when scared s#!+less.
10ft of penetration?!?! Sounds like you were using hard cast (understandably), but maybe some hollow points would have been a better option for more stopping power?
@@BuckeyeBallistics , Its Alaska bud. Grizzlies have the 2nd toughest/thickest hides & muscle tissue ( water buffalo are 1st) & solids/ hard casts are the preferred round needed. The WFNHC causes plenty of shock wave damage & full penetration is whats needed. ESPECIALLY if hitting bone first. Most folks up here ARE loaded for bear. Moose & bear are extra tough & when pissed running on pure adrenalin & muscle memory they can keep going long enough to ruin your day for life. Mooses heart ( which is huge) was compleatly tattered, as were the lungs & gutpack from the WFNHC pressure wall. Saw the damndest thing that night. Normally a mooses eyes reflect green in the sleds headlight. That night the eyes went from green to red just before it charged. F&G said its from the capillaries in their eyes rage exploding. Moose are nasty critters. They kill more folks than the bears do. Ive since switched up to a bigger pistol backup & to Extream penetrators alternating w the WFNHC in both the handgun & my 45/70 hot loads. Punch of a solid, shockwave of a beast supposidly from the gel tests ive seen..Truth be told havent shot anything with them yet but they gotta be better than anything ive used yet. DID switch to both the WFNHC Alternating with hot 320 grain softnose after that incident in the 44. Best of both worlds so to speak but havent shot anything with thoes either. DID hit a small moose running away with the .06 rifle at 150 yards with a 220 grain softnose. Hit a quartering away shot just above the hip, went through the heart & front rib & then reentered the front leg compleatly shattering the upper leg bone before exiting out the front of the leg. Massive internal damage that just dumped that moose like a sack of bricks. But it was only scared, not pissed. Also shot a calm standing griz at 50 feet square in the sternam with that slug in a 300 win mag. Knocked him over backwards & he ran. Tracked him for miles before he went into an Alder maze & only a fool goes into thoes with a wounded bear. Did a complete walkaround the alder patch & the griz was still in there. Came back the next day & in the walkaround found the bear had left the maze & went a mile to a big river where its tracks ended going into the water. Only bear i ever lost. SHOULD have used the 45/70 & broke his spine going out the back w the 420 grain WFNHC hot load. ( 2300 FPS)( Almost 458 performance with the advantage of the lever action which is WAY faster than any bolt rifle.) He was only a 9 footer, figured the 300 would be enough. I was WRONG! 38 years as an Alaskan bushman & still getting surprised. NEVER enough THUMP with these big critters. Ideally having a slug that dumps ALL of its energy inside the bear is better than a passthrough thats dumps its energy into the dirt behind it. Been a big controversy up here forever. So far, with the 45/70 all it ever took was 1 shot using the WFNHC hot loads in the rifle. Key words " so far". Gets pretty scary at times.
@@CrotchRocket78 , Try again bud. F&G are experts at telling if an attack was in progress or not. Joy shooting bears will get you more years in prison than killing a man does so very few are dumb enough to do that. Permit hunters & self defense only unless youre crazy. You really need to learn the laws before spouting off your ignorant generalities. F&G now has satellite surveillance with muzzle flash detectors that can instantly zero in on you & count the hairs on your head. Illegal poachers & idiots are instantly tagged & caught/ prosecuted. This isnt the 1800s anymore. Big brother is not only watching, hes living in your pocket. Folks who love the wildlife more than you do have dedicated their lives to protecting it.
I didn’t do the water filling in the pumpkin I shot up the other day with my new Uberti 1858 Remington style new model army revolver using my new Howell fluted .45 colt cartridge conversion cylinder but as my video that I made and posted on my channel shows them HSM .45 colt 200 grain cowboy load cartridges going at a velocity of about 700 to 750 feet per second with over 200 foot pounds of energy from about 35 feet away really tore up that large carving pumpkin
I mean you did use premium rounds for the 40 and 45 while giving the 9mm an absolute budget round. I get you dont have every ammo on earth but I hope people realize that. It also had the shortest barrel of the big dogs
Ok so everyone likes the .40 in this test. However everyone knows most people shoot the 9 better and more accurately. Point being…..if we aren’t going to worry about recoil and just want to determine which one causes the most destruction then a good test would be the .40 vs .357 Sig vs full power 10mm.
@@MrProfchaos71 Haven't seen it yet. Lost count how many rounds went thru the thing. I need another part job to keep up with the ammo expense. I'll let you know after another 10,000 rounds tho 👍
Check out the caliber comparisons playlist on the channel for more videos like this...
Don’t ever apologize for these whiny ass commenters. If they want something done differently they can purchase the ammo and film/edit a video themselves (all while getting shit on by people like themselves) If they are paying money for the product they have a little room for criticism otherwise if they don’t like it they can move on. Great video bud I appreciate the time and effort you put into your content.
Thanks man
I don't care about other people's whining but I don't like the fact that he shoots low with the 45 and then got the nerve to say was a centralized shot I'm not blind
You're being way too hard on yourself. You do a great job at these videos. Nothing to change.
Just a reminder .40 caliber is analogous with 10mm. With the right load and grain more damage can be done.
I like this review. It doesn’t sound all animated and robotic. Sounds authentic and real.
40 has the speed of 9mm and a stopping power of 45
40 for the win.
Only in this video not in others
@@A-non-theist lol okay
.40 S&W. The answer to a question nobody asked.
@@dojos2874 it was the answer the to the question the FBI asked and they used it for 30 years.
It is now outdated in a similar manner to the 45 LC. Both saw an extended period of practical use and as technology and methodology improved their practicality decreased along with their popularities.
Both will still function for their intended usages however, there are currently more practical options available.
@@phillipmargrave All semi-auto handgun calibers are weak compared to a grown-ass rifle round. Shot placement is key, not a difference of 1 milimeter or a few more joules (or lbs (?) in customary units? - I believe in metric system) of energy.
Love the 40 that’s my go too caliber
40 S&W wow - heavy hitter
Everyone always talks crap, but .40 S&W does seem to perform well in these kinds of videos across the various mediums of destructibles.
.40 is harder to control in a plastic frame firearm. Chamber a .40 into an all metal frame like the Beretta 96 or the Taurus 100/101 and it handles it like a champion. However those firearms are large and heavy, not easily/conveniently concealed which is what drives US market sales.
@@phillipmargrave I am of the mindset that it isn't just the polymer frame, but the size/weight as a whole. Full-size polymer pistols like your typical M2.0 & Glock 22/35 don't seem to get the same 'snappiness' complaints and general dislike that the compact, subcompact, microcompacts, and so on get.
A lot of it too at the end of the day is training and mentality. Plenty of people shoot handgun cartridges vastly more energetic without fuss, so at least some of it is on the people, not the gun, but yeah, you are right about the 96-type guns.
Love how you get closer every shot.
Love how you falsely state that. I got closer after the very first shot so that I would be in frame like I wanted to be, then stayed in that spot for the remainder of the video. Unless of course you want to disect it down to mere inches like some smuck, then I'll admit to a negligible 2-3 inch variance from shot to shot...
you don't talk to much what so ever, the extensive knowledge before you started this experiment was a nice touch. 👌
Appreciate it
40 s&w for the win, I love my Glock 22
#40gang
#40gang
40 gang
The .40 is yet again superior!
Always is 😉
@@BuckeyeBallistics people are ignorant
Nah 22LR is the winner!
@@luisgallo4189 you shot me with a 22, that doesn’t count!😂 💀
@@phillipmargrave Ill do it again-
It seems like .40 is most effective, with the most different loads, at dumping energy in the target, plus it has a bit more energy in most comparable loads. Thats why it performs well in tests like this.
I'm guessing rhe gold dot expanded the fastest and was on its way to less penetration than the slow 9mm and and Hornady projectile in the .45.
Tests like this always have downsides and what if's. It's impossible to cover everything, but it sure would be fun to try! Keep up the good work.
Tests like this prove nothing.
I love 40, gonna exclusively carry that from now on.
Appreciated you going with what you got. These tests are close enough bud. You went the extra mile. Someone is gonna complain either way so do what you can/want.
Yes sir, they always do. Already getting complaints that I didn't tape the cut piece to the pumpkin, like that would make more than a 1% difference 😅
40 is always gonna win 🙌💯
Did everybody notice that the 9 mm was the only one that blew the lung out of the pumpkin?
Good stuff. Appears to provide a demonstration of the energy transfer of the 40 over the 9 at least. Not an all inclusive display but observable. Look forward to shotgun test & rifle. Thanks.
.40 S&W for the win.
The truncated bullet of the .40 may also play a small factor in initial energy transfer into a target, but I think the major factors are still speed and weight.
I love these. I have a Glock 35 and I now have 180g Gold Dot. Because, well science. I love these. Please keep them coming.
I carry a .40 SW and I take it to the range regularly it packs a punch and is guaranteed to do a lot of damage especially with Self Defense ammunition.
The cutout you made to pour in the water was also the weak spot in the comparison. When the projectile impacted the pumpkin, it created pressure inside the pumpkin and the weakest point of exit was the hole for the plug which reduced the pressure overall. No test is ever perfect but what is perfect is watching the exploding pumpkins. Thank you for your efforts,
I've had a few comments like this, but I see no geysers of pressurized water shooting out of those holes. Let's just say in the upcomming shotgun and rifle videos, it made no difference...
Came here to say this. You need to seal the cut out so it's doesn't serve as a pressure release. I'm sure you did some other test that it worked, but science is science. Sealing the cut out will make a huge difference.
9mm is sufficient for me for self defense. I figure follow-up shots will be more likely to hit their target and overall damage will be greater.
I definately knock down steel faster with 9mm than .40s&w, so you aren't wrong...
Have you seen the tests of the Extream Penetrators? Impressive stuff bud. Expensive!! But outperform any H.P. ive seen yet.
@ Tristan - I believe you mean the Extreme Defenders. They are almost identical to the Penetrators, but the flutes are larger for more fluid disruption and shallower penetration than the Penetrators.
Thanks for the video. I definitely understand having to buy your own ammo. Would like to see how premium ammo would do in the 9mm and 45. Nothing compares to Gold Dots and HST.
shootin stuff is always fun, even if not visually spectacular. the load is what makes the caliber, especially in the bigger 3. you can make either one far better or far worse than the others. for now we shoot what we have and that's good enough. reloading does make a big difference tho
Well the 40 packs the biggest hit period the proof is there
I’d like to see again simply because I believe all 180 grain 40s are basically equally effective. Premium in 9 are crucial. In 40, I’m happy to save $ on the JHPs
Energy transfer explains the explosive results of the .40 with less power. I see the same thing when shooting lead round ball vs. conical lead bullets. The lead round ball is less powerful than the bullet, but loses more speed in the target (ie. dumps more energy in the target than the backstop behind it).
Yes exactly. The Gold Dots are far better performers than Hornady Custom bullets...
40 the best gun ever
wow totally impressed with the 40 caliber speed and weight totally destroys things there's proof right there 9 mm have speed but it doesn't have a lot of weight flies right through 45 have a lot of weight but not a lot of speed but it's still a good round totally knock you off your ass but that 40 with the speed of a nine in the weight it has is totally a badass
.45 won’t knock you down at all there’s a video proving it of someone getting shot with it wearing a vest. And .40 is barely more powerful than 9mm nor is .45
@@SuperD00D 45 acp knockdown power is not about pushing someone over. It's about killing power, retard. The 45 has better killing power than the piddly little 9mm.
Great vid. Very interesting and informative. Thanks a bunch for posting. Please don't listen to the haters. Take your time and give us all the info you can. Love the channel.
Thank you, glad to hear it!
my glock 42 .380 with 95 grain hollow points just about broke a pumpkin a bit ago. 😳 1 round made me believe in .380 for carry.
A human isn't built like a pumpkin though. I wouldn't chance my life. I've seen too many videos of men absorbing multiple 9mm hits, but its what I carry.
@Robinson - That's why I do ballistic gel tests on the channel...
Trouble is pumpkins just like wood is made By Nature. Meaning the material your shooting is all over the charts because each one will or should be close. One will be the weakest, one will be the strongest , the rest will be variable. Fun to watch though 👍🇺🇸
And that's why I also do ballistic gel tests
You mentioned the 180 gr. bullet is a bit on the heavy side for .40 S&W. Actually its the traditional loading for that round.
When Smith originally released the .40, one of the selling points was that it had similar power to the .45 auto with less recoil.
If you do the math, the ME for each round is almost the same (361 ft./lbs. vs 369 ft./lbs.) and with a 50 grain difference between the respective bullets, there is likely a very noticeable difference in recoil (I have never fired a .45).
I know the .40 recoils very much like the 9mm, with a slightly sharper kick.
The 165 gr. bullet was originally the light bullet alternative load.
I keep getting both sides of the argument in the comments. Here's how I'm looking at it, by modern day ammo selection... 9mm, .40, and .45 all have 3 common weights when buying generic on the shelf ammo, that generally all the common manufactures offer- so they each have a light, medium, and heavy load that is common. There are probably 20 different 9mm weights available for example, as low as 40 grains to as high as 190gr- but that's not what I'm talking about.
So in speaking of said 3 common weights in each caliber, the lightweight offering in 9mm, .40, and .45 is 115gr/155gr/185gr. For the midweight, 124gr/165gr/200gr. And finally for the heavy, 147gr/180gr/230gr. Thus, 180gr by todays standard, is the (common) heavy load for the .40s&w. I understand the historical designation that you reference, but the above is why I stated what I did in the video. So it's all about perspective, and that was my perspective when stating what I did.
@@BuckeyeBallistics You'd be surprised (or maybe not!) by the number of people who'd take what you said on face value and spin it into, "oh, that's the heavy bullet, so the 165 gr. must be the 'normal' bullet weight". Actually, the 165 gr. bullet was the lighter, faster alternative. These days, its the middle weight bullet.
Times change. I just get older and smell increasingly odd. =)
So again, by todays standards and offerings, what I said was therefore (in that manner) correct. Perhaps next time I should declare "by todays standards" to clarify (or just buy 165gr and disregard mentioning it lol). And I would indeed be surprised if anyone looked to me as an authorative figure on the subject, seeing as how the comments section on most of my videos, are always littered with people complaining and arguing with what was said or done within said video. Everyone's a critic and knows better than me apparently lol (I'm not referring to your nuetral and informative comment, always love hearing from you).
Recoil reduction spring?
Thanks for the video. That takes a lot of time to set up, shoot and edit. I wonder about taping the cut wedge in place if it would have kept the water pressure in the pumpkin longer to give a larger exploding factor. Very appreciative of this video for enjoyment.
I'm not sure, but I didn't see any real geysers shooting out the holes so I doubt it would make much difference. I used to cut the entire top off like when carving them, but that would have taken much too long for all these pumpkins lol. Glad you like the video...
That may have messed up the cool "plug popping out into the air" effect. 😁
40sw all day every day!!!
These videos never get old. Paul Harrell fills his with orange soda- the carbonation adds a little flair 😉
That sounds pretty cool, somehow I missed that one (watch his videos often)
You need extreme low grain high velocity hollow points to do any explosive/implosive damage to those pumpkins
lower grain with higher velocities would make the bullet better at penetrating than transferring energy. A heavier bullet retains more energy, that's why heavier bullets are better for longer ranges because they have less drop and wind drift from retaining energy. If he ran heavy +p that would result in the best explosion.
@chris - Nope, you're completely wrong. Obviously you've never heard of energy dump, which is multiplied greatly the lighter and faster the bullet is. I don't know where you learned your physics, but heavier (and thus slower) bullets always penetrate more- this is the exact reason people carry heavy and slow hardcast bullets for bear protection. I did this exact test with rifles and I shot 5.56 against 7.62x39 and 2 others. The bigger, heavier, slower 7.62x39 with MORE energy barely did anything to the pumpkin, whereas the lighter and faster 5.56 with LESS energy completely obliterated it. Why? Faster and lighter = energy dump. The 7.62x39 didn't dump any of it's energy into the pumpkin- it took it with it. Check it out in the caliber comparison playlist on the channel.
Also, I do ballistic gel test videos and you can see the same thing in my gel test videos- lighter and faster = bigger wound cavity but short penetration. Heavier and slower = smaller wound cavity but more penetration.
Shot placement and distance was key. Every shot was aimed downwards
Especially the 45 and that dummy said it was a centralized
If you want to explode the pumpkins, you must do two things:
1). Fill them up 100% with water.
2). The hole you made, must be duct taped closed with one full wrap of tape all the way around the pumpkin. The energy forces it’s way out of the path of least resistance and pops like a champagne cork.
Comtrol those two things and you will have exploding pumpkins at the range.
Or just use a bigger gun like I do in the next 2 videos 😁
@@BuckeyeBallistics true, but a 9mm will explode a water filled pumpkin, as long as it’s completely filled and sealed off. I’ve been doing it since the 70’s when my dad showed us kids that.
Oh I know 9mm will. But I garuntee you it was ammo selection and not the hole in the top. As I stated in the video, the right 124gr 9mm load as opposed to the heavy slow 147gr used, would have made the pumpkin explode. HST's and Gold Dots come to mind...
Or just use .40 S&W 💪😝👍
9mm fanboy. You’re just mad that it never performs well unless it’s shot into bare gel. Choose a caliber that actually works, maybe?
Pro tip, Fill pumpkins with hose at home before arriving on site lol
Yeah if you want to risk one tipping over during trasport and emptying 5 bottles of water onto the floor... I have a bumpy 40 minute drive to get to this location.
Haha I was gonna do this for this season but forgot to grab some pumpkins at the grocery store. I should do revolvers. You got real thorough with this one.
I hope you can make it to the shotgun and rifle version when they post over the next few days- things got real interesting! You should definately do the revolvers, that's one thing I don't have yet. I'll be tuning in for that one for sure...
Gonna pin your comment so everyone can go check it out...
@@BuckeyeBallistics haha now I have to actually do it.
Unless you don't want the free shoutout 🤷♂️ 😅
@@BuckeyeBallistics I don't mind, thank you. I was thinking, eh maybe I won't i'm tired....then someone pins i'm going to lol. I am just messing around, thank you.
My pleasure. I'm catching up with you on subs, better watch out! 😅
Now let me shoot one with my 44 Mag
Please do 😊
The Great Pumpkin
paul harrel did a video where 40sw and 45 are close to the same depending on the load
I agree 100% - I have some pretty mean .45 loads that would hit those pumpkins harder than the .40 did, but the same could be said for the .40 as well...
That's a fun way to carve the pumpkins!
The property owner actually does that there every year, has a get-together and everyone competes to see who can carve the best pumpkin with guns. There are a few rules to keep it challenging, like you have to shoot 3 times per eye with a pistol at 7 yards or so standing, but only allowed 10 or so shots for the mouth- something like that (I forget the exact rules). So skill and accuracy really come into play, as does a caliber and bullet style strategy. I won my first time out 2 years ago, didn't make it last year because I had the virus. But I should back in it this year and plan to take the gold again 😅
So someone with a fully-loaded M60 wouldn't be able to just unload?
But also... Nice! Kick some butt!
Oh they could certainly do that, they just wouldn't win lol. The year I went a guy bought a pumpkin for the long gun carving competition, and just blasted it with a 12 gauge for fun lol.
That's funny. It is all about having fun, at the end of the day, eh?
Would be interesting to see if the .22 can pass through a coconut .
Spoiler- it can and will. I'm planning a coconut version whenever I can find some decent sized ones. Last two stores I looked at they were tiny!
@@BuckeyeBallistics Well damn, if thats the case then .22 should be enough for self defence.
@FithAce - Any gun can kill, but some do it better than others...
People complain about everything just ignore them
when comparing weight, cost, ability to suppress, am I the only one that prefers a 22lr over a 380?? great content as always sir 🤙
I don't know anybody conceal carrying a suppressed pistol (not that that's necessarily what you're implying). I'm glad you like the content...
@@BuckeyeBallistics is that a tx suppressed n ya pocket, or you jus happy to see meh! Lol, agreed sir🤙
I use pumpkins to test the expansion reliability of handgun defensive ammo.
I think it's denseness imitates flesh very well.
You keep moving closer when you kneel. Marking off a spot on the ground will help with consistency
Always fun shooting pumpkins! lol! Might try putting a piece of duct tape over those plugs you cut to fill with water, they look like they was acting as a pop off valve releasing pressure. They might do better! have a good one thanks for the content
The 147 grain 9mm load shot is adequate, but not explosive. A decent 115 grain hollow point from a 9mm going over 1200 feet per second will show different results.
I stated this in the video when examining the pumpkins at the end. But then I would have had to use 185gr for the .45 and 155gr for the .40 to be a fair comparison, which I didn't have...
@@BuckeyeBallistics I like the 9mm’s versatility. Speaking of 115 grain projectiles-you can fire one at 1,150 feet per second (standard pressure). That’s your Winchester White box load out of a 4 inch barrel. Bump it up to 1,200 feet per second plus and you have their Silvertip load; or some offering from Black Hills. At 1350 feet per second you have the fabled Illinois State Police load. Corbon, Federal and a few other make this load.
I have 9mm loads that produce over 500ft-lbs energy and even made a video proving such (chrono + basic math). Buffalo Bore and Underwood were part of that video. I need to get some Corbon's...
What's really annoying is having to spend half the video trying to keep people from complaining. They're going to complain anyhow. 😉
Yup. But now when they say why did you use this or that instead of this or that, I can say watch the video dummy...
I think keeping the same barrel link for all would be interesting
I love my G23 40cal 😎
Because the .40 S&W is the greatest caliber ever made 🤷🏽♂️!? .40S&W for the win 🥇 😎
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The 40 Smith & Wesson is so much more powerful than the 9mm with weight training hand strength exercises anybody should be able to use it by the way barns makes a tax x 380 that has wonderful tests on the videos that I've seen about it check it out
You mean the Tac XPD? I gel tested those earlier this year. Awesome expansion, would have done more damage in this test. But due to the expansion and light weight of the .380 projectile, they don't penetrate that deep.
@@BuckeyeBallistics It is only 6-8 inches of depth to reach the heart. The FBI based all their stats on just one shot that failed to reach the heart by a little bit. In Sarnow and Marshall's books-Street Stoppers and Stopping- you can read about the results of other departments testing ammo. Not all agreed with the FBI.
Unless you are a 300lb monster, it's actually a lot shorter depth than that. But from my understanding/view, the whole minimum penetration thing in gel is to account for bones getting in the way, specifically for shots from the side.
In a shootout, usually the perp is not not presenting his entire chest for you to easily poke through. Imagine them turned sideways running for cover as they are simultaneously shooting back at you (happens often)- or even my own shooting stance, which turns my chest mostly away and presents my side. Try getting through that large arm bone and then ribs, or a shoulder, and still hit vitals with something that only penetrates 9-10" in bare gel.
I just watched a test last night where they were shooting a ballistic gel dummy with bones and organs and everything with multiple pistols. One of the shots was with a .25acp. In ballistic gel, .25acp penetrates 9"-11" depending on ammo selection. They hit the sternum dead center and the bullet stopped on top of the bone just 1" under the gel, whereas otherwise it would have penetrated a minimum of 9" into the gel. I'm sure the Tac XPD .380 round would have busted through the sternum, but how far would it have traveled afterward? Probably only a couple inches. A big arm bone would almost certainly stop it...
@@BuckeyeBallistics I have seen the .380 penetrate metal ammo cans, coconuts and pineapples. It can go thru bone also. If a thug is running I say let him go as we have a duty to be responsible not to miss and shoot other people by mistake. If that happens then the anti gun nuts would use it as a reason to keep us from carrying guns in public.
I said running away while still shooting at you. If they are still shooting, they are cleary still a threat- not to mention the fact that they may just be seeking cover to reload and continue shooting (think mass shootings). Also, in those scenarios where they may be shooting from behind cover (say a car), you're gonna want more penetration to get through the car (many 9mm rounds can achieve this for example). And a .22 can shoot through all those things you just mentioned, so that's not saying much.
99% of the time a few shots from ANY pistol is going to end the fight, nobody is debating that here. For that other 1% however, that is where the extra penetration will save lives. I'm not one of those guys advocating for 17"-18" of penetration, but I do like to see at least the minumum 12" for the reasons mentioned in my responses. If you don't feel the same way that it fine...
Notta damn thing wrong with a 180 in the 40. Hole in, massive energy dump and hole out the back. 2 holes are always better than one.
I think you have to cut the stem out for your fill hole, because if there's any air left in there it's going to reduce your explosive effect. Then maybe duct tape the piece down so there's a little resistance before if pops out.
Good detail
My takeaway is that this test dispels any thought that I had before this of ever carrying a .22 LR pistol for self defense.
A 22lr on the hip is better than anything in a safe or in a drawer at home.
My mom’s 22lr saved her life from an assailant with a knife that tried to force her into her car. She didn’t even have to get the pistol all the way out before he ran off. As soon as he saw her pulling out her gun from her waistband he stopped and ran away.
Civil Defense makes ammo that would make more dramatic results as far as "exploding pumpkins" in all calibers
Yes I know, I own it in several calibers. Several companies out there now making similar ammo, but Liberty and RIP were some the the originals. I was going for comparison with what people commonly carry, not complete obliteration. In the future however I'll make videos like this with those kinds of rounds. In the meantime, I do have gel tests of them...
Seems like my center shot that I hit with my .45 colt round on the pumpkin I shot without being water filled is more like how your 9mm round hit the pumpkin filled with water
Tape over the hole and plug, looks like the plug popping out is releasing a bit of pressure.
Because the 45 shot was way lower
I agree if the .45 was in the same place it might have been a lot closer to the .40!
I wish the 380 had a longer barrel to be congruent.
Yeah, but I can't afford my dream .380 yet- Browning Black Label
Good video
What brand of helmet did you wear for this shooting?
I like 9 mm. Loaded critical duty.😊😊
Thank you sir well done!!!!
The only 3 calibers I've seen do good on pumpkins was 357mag 44mag and 500S&W but I wonder what NOVX 9MM ENGAGEMENT EXTREME 65GR would do since they advertise it dose well in liquid type targets
I could have shot it with Liberty Civil Defense (50gr, 2100fps) and I garuntee you it would have exploded (I have some). But, I was trying to use more traditional ammo since less than 5% of people are going to carry something like what you or I mentioned...
Watch the video and you will add a .40 to your list. It blew the pumkin up.
@@cmonman7664 I have a ruger sr40c 40s&w personally but still not impressed with it's performance like other rounds
Awesome
what if you tried with higher calibers, like .44 magnum?
They would explode violently. I'm working on aquiring such pistol calibers...
@@BuckeyeBallistics great!
Very festive 👌
Fairer comparison would be with standard rounds .. using p+ does make for a better video but choice of rounds could predetermined the outcome
xtp's are designed for a more controlled expansion (less expansion & deeper penetration)...original purpose was a hunting round where thru & thru penetration is desired (for bleeding out to aid in tracking)
They are one of the few rounds I can get to expand in .380, and they do penetrate a little deeper.
I wonder what a 230 grain Federal HST would have done. I imagine a bit more dramatic. Fun to watch. I’d love to see how a 350-400 grain HP out of a 45-70 will do. Buckshot will destroy it. I’m interested in how a 22 WMR and 17 HMR from a rifle will handle the test.
I used a .450 Bushmaster in the rifle version (when it posts), which is very similar performance to .45-70. I also used a .22wmr in the same video, which in my cantelope rimfire video, did about the same as the .17hmr. So basically, stay tuned for the rifle version!
@@BuckeyeBallistics looking forward to publish time. Thanks for the vids man.
Awesome video
Thanks Dexter
I carry a G27 but it's a little big. I picked up a S&W bodyguard .380 but I'm starting to second guess myself.
Check out my .380 gel tests to see what performs the best 👍 I made a .380 gel test playlist for quick access to the videos. She's no 9mm and certainly no .40, but there are some that don't do so bad. S&W makes the Shield in .40 if you need a .40 in a smaller package...
Pumpkin hunting season already?
Yeah, you're late to the party!
@@BuckeyeBallistics I'm always the bridesmaid.
Are you pretty though? 😅
Damn pumpkins
Here in Alaska the 10MM semi auto has become the big bear attack stopper recently as vs 44 mag. More rounds faster ect. Either will blow a grizzlys head up. SURPRISINGLY i got to shoot my friends 1st 10MM yesterday using regular S&B loads & it has LESS recoil than my wifes 40 does.( course we run hot bear loads in her 40) Didnt see that coming at all. One of our older F&G guys has been using his 40 for decades & swears by it as a bear stopper. Since hes put down several problem bears hed know. Go figure...... personally, i prefer my 454 Casull but its full sized & HEAVY with WAY more recoil that the 44s using the hot Buffalo bore loads. Hits 18 inches higher too @100 yds w both being zeroed at 25 yards. THAT was Another surprise. After a near fatal charging moose encounter with the 44 i switched up to the 454. Put 5 through its heart in less than 50 feet & it still didnt knock it down, and it was a small moose. Did find all 5 of the 44 bear loads under the fur of the rear flank fur. 10 ft of total penetration but NO knockdown power. Put the 6th round through both shoulders as it was coming down on our sled pount blank. That only knocked the moose over the 3 ft snow berm & it STILL hobbled past both our sleds & got back on the trail before collapsing. Both shoulder joints compleatly shattered. My son on the sled ehind our bearcat said all he heard was one continous roar & one long continuous flame coming out of the bbl til the last shot. Its amazing how fast one can pull the trigger when scared s#!+less.
10ft of penetration?!?! Sounds like you were using hard cast (understandably), but maybe some hollow points would have been a better option for more stopping power?
Its more people seeing a bear and just shooting them.
@@BuckeyeBallistics , Its Alaska bud. Grizzlies have the 2nd toughest/thickest hides & muscle tissue ( water buffalo are 1st) & solids/ hard casts are the preferred round needed. The WFNHC causes plenty of shock wave damage & full penetration is whats needed. ESPECIALLY if hitting bone first. Most folks up here ARE loaded for bear. Moose & bear are extra tough & when pissed running on pure adrenalin & muscle memory they can keep going long enough to ruin your day for life. Mooses heart ( which is huge) was compleatly tattered, as were the lungs & gutpack from the WFNHC pressure wall. Saw the damndest thing that night. Normally a mooses eyes reflect green in the sleds headlight. That night the eyes went from green to red just before it charged. F&G said its from the capillaries in their eyes rage exploding. Moose are nasty critters. They kill more folks than the bears do. Ive since switched up to a bigger pistol backup & to Extream penetrators alternating w the WFNHC in both the handgun & my 45/70 hot loads. Punch of a solid, shockwave of a beast supposidly from the gel tests ive seen..Truth be told havent shot anything with them yet but they gotta be better than anything ive used yet. DID switch to both the WFNHC Alternating with hot 320 grain softnose after that incident in the 44. Best of both worlds so to speak but havent shot anything with thoes either. DID hit a small moose running away with the .06 rifle at 150 yards with a 220 grain softnose. Hit a quartering away shot just above the hip, went through the heart & front rib & then reentered the front leg compleatly shattering the upper leg bone before exiting out the front of the leg. Massive internal damage that just dumped that moose like a sack of bricks. But it was only scared, not pissed. Also shot a calm standing griz at 50 feet square in the sternam with that slug in a 300 win mag. Knocked him over backwards & he ran. Tracked him for miles before he went into an Alder maze & only a fool goes into thoes with a wounded bear. Did a complete walkaround the alder patch & the griz was still in there. Came back the next day & in the walkaround found the bear had left the maze & went a mile to a big river where its tracks ended going into the water. Only bear i ever lost. SHOULD have used the 45/70 & broke his spine going out the back w the 420 grain WFNHC hot load. ( 2300 FPS)( Almost 458 performance with the advantage of the lever action which is WAY faster than any bolt rifle.) He was only a 9 footer, figured the 300 would be enough. I was WRONG! 38 years as an Alaskan bushman & still getting surprised. NEVER enough THUMP with these big critters. Ideally having a slug that dumps ALL of its energy inside the bear is better than a passthrough thats dumps its energy into the dirt behind it. Been a big controversy up here forever. So far, with the 45/70 all it ever took was 1 shot using the WFNHC hot loads in the rifle. Key words " so far". Gets pretty scary at times.
@@CrotchRocket78 , Try again bud. F&G are experts at telling if an attack was in progress or not. Joy shooting bears will get you more years in prison than killing a man does so very few are dumb enough to do that. Permit hunters & self defense only unless youre crazy. You really need to learn the laws before spouting off your ignorant generalities. F&G now has satellite surveillance with muzzle flash detectors that can instantly zero in on you & count the hairs on your head. Illegal poachers & idiots are instantly tagged & caught/ prosecuted. This isnt the 1800s anymore. Big brother is not only watching, hes living in your pocket. Folks who love the wildlife more than you do have dedicated their lives to protecting it.
@ Tristan - Seems you missed the part where I said "understandably." Literally eveything you just said I know, which is why I stated *understandably*
Use Buffalo bore 147gr +p hard cast or seismic 185gr Rounds in the 9mm
.40 S&W wins!
3:59 but that 5.3” barrel on that .40 should help a lot
I didn’t do the water filling in the pumpkin I shot up the other day with my new Uberti 1858 Remington style new model army revolver using my new Howell fluted .45 colt cartridge conversion cylinder but as my video that I made and posted on my channel shows them HSM .45 colt 200 grain cowboy load cartridges going at a velocity of about 700 to 750 feet per second with over 200 foot pounds of energy from about 35 feet away really tore up that large carving pumpkin
I saw that- I left you a comment on that video.
The smaller calibers energy is lost through the hole used to pour water in. They don't create enough energy to combat the hole.
I mean you did use premium rounds for the 40 and 45 while giving the 9mm an absolute budget round. I get you dont have every ammo on earth but I hope people realize that. It also had the shortest barrel of the big dogs
Great video I know it was a ton of fun to make .. don’t worry about everyone you can’t please em all .. do what you do ..
Ok so everyone likes the .40 in this test. However everyone knows most people shoot the 9 better and more accurately. Point being…..if we aren’t going to worry about recoil and just want to determine which one causes the most destruction then a good test would be the .40 vs .357 Sig vs full power 10mm.
Recoil reduction spring takes care of the recoil. 😉
@@shake1602 until you stovepipe . Then you get to take the room temperature challenge because you modified a very important part of your weapon.
@@MrProfchaos71 Haven't seen it yet. Lost count how many rounds went thru the thing. I need another part job to keep up with the ammo expense. I'll let you know after another 10,000 rounds tho 👍
40 had tremendous advantage by using gold dot ammo …
Try a 45 super round vs a 10mm? 185 grain vs 180 grain. I shoot super 😎. They make things go kaboom
I would like to, gotta get a 10mm first.
Cool. Lots of fun but 357 mag would be my choice if a pumkin attacked. Haha
good job brotha
Thanks man
I wanna see you shoot one with a .44 mag in S&W model 29. And, just beforr you shoot say "Make my day Pumpk"
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Do a comparison and equal round load, other than that it's insignificant
A 90gr 380 at 1200fps id consider that +p😆
How about a .357 and 10mm. Thanks
Working on it $$$
I suspect the pumpkin you shot with the .40 was just more explosive than the other pumpkins …
I suspect it was basic physics, namely the increased power of the .40s&w cartridge over all the others...