How effective is your 9mm carry ammo? 9MM VS HUMAN TORSO
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In this video we ask the important questions. How deadly/effective is your 9mm carry ammo? Here we use a Glock 17 firing 9mm vs a human torso analog from ballistic dummy labs. 9mm is a deadly round without a doubt and while the results are underwhelming (lol just 9mm) it still hopefully shows the ballistic capabilities of the round. As always we hope you enjoy!
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I work in emergency medicine and I’ve seen a fair amount of gun shot wounds. Most of them are fmj from small calibers (25 acp, 22lr, 380). Those patients tend to live unless it’s to the heart, a major blood vessel, or brain stem. The patients I’ve seen with 9mm hollow points don’t live if the patient is shot in the trunk (chest or stomach). Most of the time (if not all of the time) quality hollow points pass all the way through. I personally carry Hornady critical duty because I’ve seen what it does..
so you work in emergency medicine and you have seen that the small calibers still stop and put people in the hospital yet you choose to go with a caliber that has a good chance of killing someone, for what? why is the goal always to kill? and you work in medicine where your job is to save lives. The irony.
Because then they are no longer a threat to you.
So there's only one side of the story.
@@pablog4852 because when you create a situation worthy of getting a gun pulled on you, you forfeit the choice of life.
Seen plenty of methheads that have taken a bullet and kept coming.
I wouldn’t want to get want to get stabbed with the crusty crack pipe given the choice.
@@JonnyTheViking “When you create a situation”
What? You create yourself attempting to be mugged?
As I said before, that lab coat gives him basically full qualifications to do all of this
He's practically a surgeon now
Shawn White meets Bill Nye
*in New Jersey
Obviously. The popped collar proves this.
Id trust him.
_Look, the bullets stuck in there, but a second bullet should unstick the first._
Hes my endocrinologist
Just came to see the lungs get blown completely out of the body.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂
When I started my LEO career we carried revolvers. When we transitioned to 9mm Glocks, the first duty ammo was 115 grain and the department's experience with that let them/us to change to 147 grain subsonic 9mm ammo...which had much better results and stopping power. Eventually, we changed to .40 department wide for duty carry. But off-duty, if carrying a 9mm, the 147 grain remained the preference.
Did you feel that raw power when you shot someone? Just a question.
@@vividfiber6668 What makes you think I did? In 2 decades, I never had to. Just an answer...
Higher velocity is better for hollow points, higher grain count is better for penetration
@RollingLiving glad you didn't have to shoot anyone. Hope you're enjoying retirement brother.
“Built like a bowl of milk” is an insult I will be adding to my arsenal.
Insult arsenal reveal anytime soon?
I like when he said “put him down like a dog w aids.”
Used to work with a guy who would tell me how his old lady was built like a bowl of pudding, poor guy
“That looks like an injury you would need to go to hospital for” Charlie with the science facts!
Charlie kicks ass... Love it 😂
I would really like to see an video breaking down how different barrel lengths on some calibers at different distances influence the effect on target 🤔
You would have far too many variables to deal with. Barrel length, angle of twist, bullet weight, bullet type...
I've been asking several channels about this. This topic also leads into the question...
What's the ballistic difference between +P 9mm out of a PCC barrel (8-10") or so vs a 5.56 from a short AF barrel like 5"
@@Robiwan82 could do a test with standard ball to compare?
@@Robiwan82 Yeah, considering that one dummy costs 2000$ not many can and will do that 🤔
It would just be really interesting to know if you would rather want to use an 7" 5,56 AR or an 9mm MP5🤔
Doesn't make much diff per caliber
The levels of enthusiasm in these videos is amazing, not only a great teacher, but also makes it look flawless and super entertaining. Thanks for the content man!
Douchebags with lots of money sounds like to me
oh you’re doing tricks on it
Very unique and very funny! “Are those Altoids?” 😂 Thank you for making me smile!!
‘If you ever missed any target because you didn’t train’
Man, he should have a hell of a lot more subscribers. I know I got a hell of a lot better after my CCW class. Then further improved after my Beginner handgun class.
I don't miss, I always use a 12 gauge with 000 buck shot.
I go to local steel matches. The thought of being mocked by boomers prevents misses
@@flopus7 Lmao the thing is with older people is they have been shooting before most of us was born. And a lot of them are veterans. I enjoy the competition.
@@t.r.4496 too many 1911s and Bianchi gear for my tastes
@@flopus7 truth.
10:35 New Jersey, in their INFINITE firearms wisdom, has banned JHPs for carry/self defense. So, subjects of that state have to either carry plain ball FMJ ammo, something gimmicky like Extreme Defender or Glaser Safety Slugs or CorBon Pow'r Ball, something frangible and hope it breaks up after penetrating organs, or (preferably above ALL aforementioned options) something like Federal's EFMJ which is basically a bullet that has a lead base, a rubber nose, and a very thick copper jacket that covers over all of it. It looks and feels and shoots exactly like a FMJ bullet, but when it hits something that soft copper jacket collapses into the squishy rubber nose section and squashes it flat as a pancake against the lead base section so it mushrooms and sorta achieves the same JHP expansion effect. It's not the best, but it works better than plain ball. I just love how Federal created the EFMJ. It's a humongous middle finger and FUCK YOU to the asinine legislators who brew up such ridiculous bullshit as that.
Jokes on them because Xtreme defender is devastating.
I'm guessing the Liberal place wants collateral damage so they can prosecute you for not dying and defending your life.
Hey bud, South Jersey here and you are mostly correct on that. We're allowed to use whatever ammo we like for self defense as long as it's in your home or on your property. All our lgs carry them. As far as a ccw, only retired LE and corrections can carry, literally no one else is given a ccw permit. That being said, most of my friends and a number of family are LE here and whether they can or not, they all carry jhp off duty. At the end of the day, this state absolutely despises citizens even owning firearms. They care more about criminals and people who aren't supposed to be here. Stay safe bud 👍
@Rick Christopher I'm 50 years old Rick, born and raised here and nothing will ever change. Even if we win in the SC, NJ will either defy the law like they normally do, or make the requirements worse than trying to get an FID card. You and I will be both horizontal before we can get a ccw. Our whole system here needs to be totally replaced for Jersey to ever change. For our 2nd rights as well as everything else, I'm leaving next year. This state is to corrupt, expensive, restricting, a police state etc, to waste anymore of my time here. I don't remember the black talon thing?
The Hornady Critical Duty/Defense is legal per letter from NJSP. Email NJ Firearms Academy for a copy of it.
@Wario Andretti dum dum boolits scary
Just found this channel in the last day or so from watching demoranch, Kentucky ballistics and theAKguy and I gotta say you might be my new favorite UA-cam gunner boy haha. Love the content so far man look forward to seeing more
Love your channel man. Educational but really fun. You guys seem like you’d be fun to hang out with.
I know you’re already doing the “how to be deadly in the mountains” series but I also think it would be cool to get a rundown on your urban EDC setup and what you keep in your truck.
Yes
"Surviving the cities "
As a detroit man I think I'd be best qualified for these instructions
@@GarandThumb what brand and model are your sunglasses? they are very cool
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“Somewhere out there, there is a private sitting on the railway at NTC…” I felt that.
I feel your pain dude
Truth!
I've been that private 😔
Tooo many memories of Yermo Annex...
JBLM rail load 24 hours 7 days a week I think I'm gonna 🤢 🤮
The critical defense is designed to get up to speed in a subcompact. I'd love to see all of these rounds fired through a small barrel and see if CD is actually better or if it's all smoke and mirrors.
Please do another video with sub-compact handguns! Would also love to see a wider range of ammunition options tested, since the really widely regarded ones like Speer Gold Dot can be so hard to find and so expensive when you do find them
All shots at 7 yards through a Glock 17
7:25 **M882** ball through gut
9:33 **M882** through chest
11:25 **Critical Defense** through gut
11:36 "Why is the blood blue? Halo"
13:43 **Critical Defense** through chest
15:42 **Gold Dot** through gut
16:48 **Gold Dot** through chest
17:37 dissection on dummy #1
21:40 **HST** through gut
22:53 **HST** through chest
24:11 **Norma MHP** through gut
24:55 "Bring Me To Life" cover
25:36 another **MHP** through gut
26:18 **MHP** through chest
27:27 another **MHP** through chest
28:25 (easter egg?) 50AE 300gr Hornady XTP (I think) through chest at point blank
28:48 another XTP through the ribs
Thank you for this. Ngl this video felt way too long and I just wanted to see the damage lmao.
You the 🐐
Thanks for the time stamp on the Evanescense cover.
I'll do my own time hacks thank you. Stop making me see time stamps
Goated comment
The Hornady did exactly as designed; penetration, expansion and mass kinetic energy dump inside the target without over penetration = dead right there. With some clothing on the torso we might see some slightly different results with the HP ammo.
I carry Hornady critical duty +p in .45 for my bear gun and Hornady critical defense standard pressure in 9 for my concealed carry and home defense guns. My rationale is that the critical duty is going to be able to go through a wall/bear skull/car door if I need it to, and the critical defense isn't going to over penetrate when I don't want it to.
Yep, it's not as good, but a lot of hollow points without the ballistic tip often get clogged with clothing. I specifically carry that stuff in winter for a reason because if that dummy was wearing a jacket it would have been the best performer.
It did exactly what it was advertised and designed to do.
Under rated comment. The point of hollow points is not exit your target
My thoughts as well
Aside form the info, it's just fun watching these guys work together.
Would love to see a video comparing the best hollowpoints to ARX type rounds. From what i've seen, those seem to be the future of defense ammo.
a few days ago the 9x19mm calibre was finally liberalized for civilian ownership/use, so this is incredibly well timed for Italy!
"Calibree"
@-Biohazard- due to an old pre-WW2 (literally from the Fascist era) "Public Security Law", all "cartridges in current issue to the military" (so stuff that is not current issue like 6,5 Carcano is ok) are not allowed for civilian ownership, unless they derived from a civilian and commercially available cartridge (e.g. 7,62x51 and .308 WinMag). Recently an instance said that many other calibers freely available (including the 9x21) have basically the same ballistic capabilities of 9x19, and that criminals still managed to acquire 9x19 through illegal channels, so the only people hit by restriction were lawful gun owners, so the restriction was repealed and now 9x19 is commercially available, opening a whole new market
@@SUBARCTICPSYCHO sorry, i spelled it the BRI'ISH way
@-Biohazard- the original text of the law did, it was never repealed after the end of WW2 and the fall of the regime, only rearranged to include the changes in calibers (at the time of Mussolini, 9x19 was not even an issued cartridge, Italy had 9 Corto for the pistols and 9 Fiocchi for the SMGs)
Imagine that, gun laws are authoritarian and disproportionately affect law abiding citizens more than criminals.
Glad they got rid of some of thst nonsense, and glad you guys got some freedom.
Mike, I think putting some clothing on the dummies, like a jacket or something would drastically change your results because some of the more open hollowpoint designs can actually get clogged. Atleast that's the theory...
Fleece or quilted. Nobody, except me, wears heavy wool. I bet it clogs a hollow point like a toilet after thanksgiving.
I participated in a ballistic gelatin test with another agency. We tested 9mm and .40cal. Winchester rangers sxt, speer gold dot, and federal hst. In barr gelatin, the 9mm almost performed as well as .40cal. It was really close and comparable. When we introduced barriers such as clothing, windshield glass, and drywall, it changed the results. .40cal was almost unaffected; it was almost blind to the barriers. The 9mm was significantly degraded.
@@MaralushaUSMC thanks for the advice
I’d love to see a video like that probably get very different results
I also think putting on a skin substitute on the dummies will change tests too. Clothing and skin wont stop bullets ofc but it will make the tests more realistic.
Check out what Joreg Sprave does. He puts leather and clothing on his gel blocks before shooting them.
Ive always used Hornady ammo, I use it for hunting primarily, but in small game and larger game. It has always done me well so I’ve carried it in my edc as well. Was good seeing a video like this. Big thumbs up
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:35 The video explores the effectiveness of 9mm ammunition and challenges the belief that .45 caliber is the only effective caliber for self-defense.
01:46 The video briefly promotes the mobile game "Raid: Shadow Legends" as a sponsor.
02:42 The video discusses testing different 9mm rounds, including military-grade M882, Hornady Critical Defense, Speer Gold Dot, Federal HST, and Norma MHP.
07:42 M882 ball ammo showed over-penetration through a ballistic dummy's body.
11:40 Hornady Critical Defense demonstrated good expansion in the ballistic gelatin and stopped in the dummy's body.
15:49 Speer Gold Dot exhibited significant expansion and good performance, penetrating through the dummy's body.
23:03 Federal HST showcased excellent expansion, fragmentation, and lethal results, including sternum and rib fractures.
25:43 Norma MHP showed deflection and fragmentation, did not exit the ballistic dummy.
26:33 The chest shot with Norma MHP resulted in significant expansion and potential exit of the entire round.
27:49 The video concludes that while 9mm ammunition can be effective, the key factor is training for accurate shots.
28:17 A Desert Eagle .50 Action Express with a 300-grain round from Hornady is tested, but it still exits the target.
29:11 The importance of training in using firearms is emphasized, with mentions of training centers like Bear Solutions and Haley Strategic.
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“What feels legal, but isn’t illegal”
This is why i love this channel
I had to watch that 3 times to make sure I heard it right haha
Video idea: The affects of different rifle calibers, at a reasonable engagement distance, slicing through a prone ballistics dummy. The angle is relatively vulnerable, so seeing what carnage would ensue would be an interesting opportunity for scientific discovery. You could even slap some plates on the dummy to capture some of the energy that may be displaced.
This but shoot it through the bootyhole.
@@sik1kraze Tip to butt
@Nathaniel Perkins & @SlapStyle Anims Hell, why not do both
If you were to do this it would be good to slap a head on it.
the point is, they're like 2k US dollar each
I love the chemistry between the guys on the crew. It makes me laugh everytime and I know they enjoy their job
I like the blue blood vs the red because the blue makes it easier to see the internal bleeding. I think it's extremely important to see the internal bleeding in this type of video.
I feel like the more Mike and Admin hangout the more each of their big chimp energies grow.
I’m watching this in the bedroom with my gf who I assumed wasn’t paying any attention, but when Mike asked, “What feels illegal, but isn’t illegal?” in the intro she immediately answered, “An 18 yr old?”😂 WTF?!? My lady is savage AF bro!! REAL TALK!!
Based female
She's a keeper! Lol
Lol holy shit
Now you have to marry her! Lol
Dr. VIDS WITH CHARLY'S COMMENTS ARE THE BEST ! NEVER 1 MINUTE BORING.
THE WHOLE TEAM IS AWESOME
The homemade camera quality, like the wobbliness makes these videos very funny and, in my opinion, better.
For those looking for a short, less entertaining answer: Very. Very deadly.
Popular defense loads for 9mm known for their expansion and penetration in gel tests performed well in a gel torso - who could have guessed!?
@Robert Seaes You say that until you're hit by one. 9mm is still popular for a reason.
@Robert Seaes fudd spotted
@Robert Seaes dumb comment
@Robert Seaes "WHAT ABOUT MUH STOPPING POWER? I WANNA KNOCK HIM DOWN, NOT PISS HIM OFF" - babydik .45 owner
Gotta say (as an actual physician assistant in the state of AZ lol), the Hornady didn't get a fair chance. You fired it midline, right at the spine. Not surprised that it didn't go through.... Either way, loved the video. Certainly demonstrated the difference between ball ammo and quality hollow points--that's for sure! I would love to see a comparison video between .380, 9mm, .40sw, .45acp, and 10mm hollow points... Then maybe a revolver caliber review.... Asking for too much ?? :P
AZ in the house!!
I've read the handgun calibers, in general, aren't significantly different when hitting the human body given the general elasticity of the human body and relatively low muzzle velocity (sub 2000 fps).
I thought one of the main points of a hollow point was not to go though
@@latetotheparty7551 thats why people argue in favor of the 45, the increased diameter
@@thegodfather_8455 My original pint was that handgun rounds don't differ in a significant way on the human body, in no small part due to muzzle velocity which is markedly higher with shotguns and rifles. It's not about diameter of the round as that's negated by terminal ballistics.
Id love to see the underwood extreme defenders tested on one of these. Especially the 68gr +p, saw a video of a guy shooting it through an MP5 chrono at 2100fps!
I use the Speer LE Gold Dot 185grain hollow points in .45 - I'll stand by that brand. They are amazing at flowering, and shoot clean, etc.
When I first got into firearms I bought the identical gun to what the department that I work for issues and uses. A Gen 3 (at the time) Glock 22. For my self defense ammo I started out using Federal Premium Hydrashok rounds. But then as I started buying more firearms and began doing independent testing I switched to Speer Gold Dot and Federal Premium HST rounds. With the testing that I did from multiple calibers, firearms, shot distances, barrier penetration, and everything else that I could simulate real life scenarios, I found that the Speer Gold Dot and Federal Premium ammo both performed virtually identical in every test, caliber and so on. I also discovered that they had the best results over every other JHP round that I tested. And there were a lot, in multiple firearms, barrel lengths, calibers, test mediums and so on. But then, I started testing Underwood Extreme Defender ammo and I was completely blown away (no pun intended) by the results in every caliber, firearms, barrel length and test medium. That ammo out performed every single other ammo in every test, caliber, barrel length, firearm, distance and test medium. As a result of that, the Underwood Extreme Defender ammo is all that I will use now. I still train with and buy Speer Gold Dot ammo and Federal Premium HST ammo because 2 neighboring agencies to the one that I work at use those specific brands of ammo. The County uses the Speer Gold Dot ammo and the city uses the Federal Premium ammo. There is s large pig farm about an hour to an hour and a half from where I live. The farmer is a good dude. Every now and then he will have a pig get injured or sick and it has to be put down. On a few occasions where the pigs could not be harvested we used them as our test mediums after they were humanely killed. We then x-rayed the results and could see how different rounds effect a body that yields very similar results to that of a human.
Check out 9x25 Dillon. .357 Sig but with a 10mm instead of a .40 case to start. Bet that Underwood projo would do some work at 2200fps
@@RADIOACTIVEBUNY, I’ll do that. I don’t have any firearms chambered in 9x25 Dillon yet but now you have me intrigued!
@@j.r.777 Bar-Sto is really it for barrels. Anything they’ll shoot 10mm will shoot 9x25 Dillon if you can’t get a barrel for it. Glock and 1911 is really all there is. Underwood and I think Buffalo make ammo for it still. Gonna get a barrel for the G20 here one day.
I want to see it come back because no shit like 55gr bullets at 2200FPS in like a 5-6” barrel. We’re talking carrying a 10” AR in your pocket. Insane numbers. Was an old competition cartridge to cheese the power factor rules back in the day but it’s since fallen Out of favor since the rules changed. Nobody thought to use it for self defense I guess since they were just happy to have more than 6 rounds between reloads in the wonder 9’s at that point.
I’m convinced high speed pistol cartridges are the way to go, like 2000fps or more. But I’m not an arms manufacturer. Look at .224 boz, too. They just necked a 10mm down to take a 55gr .223 bullet lmao
I carry the Underwoods too. My only hangup with them is that there's no equivalent training ammo that I can find aside from Inceptor which, like Underwoods, are pretty damned expensive. I really wish someone would come up with some affordable 68gr ball ammo.
@J. R.; just went to the underwood site to check that round. I think I'll pass.
My reasoning is that some jackass DA is going to prosecute a well intentioned, otherwise innocent, user who has to shoot someone who is Muslim, Asian, etc basing their accusations on the " holy cross" shape of the bullet. They could accuse the shooter of being some kind of egomanical " born again Crusader" who chose that particular bullet " because it is a symbol of Christian Imperialism" yadda yadda yadda ..
I've been on two juries , one an abuse case, and the other a capital murder charge.. Prosecutors who don't have a solid case and face an otherwise normal, every day working man, defendant will use any dirty trick in the book to jack up the facts in their favor.
In the capital murder case , the judge instructed us to disregard remarks of the prosecuting attorney twice because she was clearly operating in another reality, fabricating new abilities for .38 LWSC.
I've read a lot of Massad Ayoobs books. In many cases he repeatedly cautions people to not use gimmick ammo just for those reasons .
It does look like an interesting round, but I think I'll take my chances using a good performing conventional round.
I personally operated on several people shot with both FMJ and HP. Other than making slightly bigger holes, there is no significant difference. When a solid organ is shot like the liver, the petals will cause more bleeding in the HP. FMJ do penetrate more, especially when it hits bone.
Yeah, the greater damage is more of a bonus really. The reduced over penetration is the big thing. JHP can still dangerously overpenetrate, just way lower risk.
I dead ass thought you meant you were a Ranger for the longest. "I operated on them....Is that a new way of saying killing? Or...Doctor. That makes more sense."
This has always been my suspicion. I can’t think of any part of the human anatomy that would be meaningfully damaged by a hollow point but not a ball round.
@@michaelwestmoreland2530 Maybe it was both?
Yes, HSP/JHP creates larger wounds but the benefit is in less over penetration. You want to hit the intended target, not the subjects behind it.
"Zomg spider!"
Funniest episode I've seen, hope I see more of Dr.GarandThumb.
I really enjoyed this video. It’s like you guys got high before recording this one. Lotta giggling, lotta jokes/innuendos, lotta fun. Pit vipers and altoids added to Amazon “range essentials” shopping list.
9mm ammunition has come a long way over the years and there's no reason that a well aimed, appropriate 9mm cartridge wouldn't have the desired effect when striking the torso of an attacker.
Oh yeah. 9x19mm Parabellum was sort of... okay for a little bit, but better than calibers that came before it. As of now, I'd consider it literally the best for what you get. Capacity, versatility, velocity, joules, everything if loaded right!
9mm ratshot is my EDC.
.45 has come a long way over the years also. So has .40 SW. so has 10mm, so has .357 magnum. Where you put your caliber, just insert any caliber. Shoot what you’re comfortable with and can afford. Or find nowadays.
@@bryanbaker5942 I was finally able to find defensive ammunition but was unable to afford it. Yikes it's gotten really expensive. I have to stick with my flat nose service fmjs for awhile longer. My wife EDC is .380 and same boat as me and my 9 mm. Hopefully they (defensive) become more plentiful soon !
@@l.a.2646 are dum dums/home drilled hollow points illegal? I mean they are over here but Geneva only applies in war 3:)
Charlie has incredible comedic timing and overall mannerisms. That ending was so perfect lmao. Get him on here more often.
He's got the Mac from Super Troopers flare going... Love it 😂
"Is that an altoid?" Lmao
“You know I hate spiders”
This mfs built like a bowl of milk- Charlie 2022
this is quickly becoming my favorite youtube channel 😂
Hey Brother, I would love to see this test using .380, 9mm, .45, and 10mm using only Liberty Civil Defense ammo. The fastest, hardest hitting hand gun ammo made. Your content with a little humor is TOP SHELF!! Appreciate you for what ya do for all of us! I was carrying HST's before coming across the Liberty Civil Defense.
Very impressive stuff!
As someone who also freaks out on spiders, I can understand that. I once was walking in some woods and saw a massive fat ass spider hiding under a fallen tree. I pulled my carry gun and fucking yeeted him. Hornady critical defense .380 ACP will slap some mf spiders.
Lmao I’d do that
yup….sounds like something i’ll do😂🤷🏻♂️
when you're a spider just vibing in your natural habitat and some dude named "Kurt" blasts you into the Nth dimension with Horny rounds.
@@Daemon_Tenebrarum lol but seriously nothing should have that many legs fuck those guys
I have to say it,
I hate when any living creature is killed for no reason at all, especially one that was literally sitting in its own home just chillen, not hurting anyone but,
DAMN!!! that MF spider shouldn’t of been there when You happened by!! I won’t go out of my way to “desk pop” a spider but, they totally scare the shiz out of me at any distance. I wonder why that is? Is that just “programed” into most of our humans genes from thousands of years of evolution? Or Movies? Hard Rock? Video Games ???? 🙃
The Hornady is not underpowered. It did Exactly what it was designed and intended to do. Moderate recoil, significant expansion and minimal overpenetration.
Perfect personal defense round.
I'm guessing you're referring to the Horny, correct?
Besides all that, Hornady critical defense ( my EDC load ), doesn't shoot flames out of the barrel, which will blind you at night, like a camera flash. Flamethrowing guns are cool in the movies, not in real life.
Agreed! The Critical Defense is supposed to be a self defense load to reduce the likelihood of over penetration. To compare the Gold Dot to Hornady, one really has to use the Hornady Critical Duty, which was made for L.E. use.
I agree. This is what I use for EDC. I’m actually really happy seeing the results from this video. I do NOT want over penetration.
I was about to make the same claim but saw you said it perfectly. I totally agree brother. That's why that is my EDC round
I know the ballistic dummies aren’t totally accurate but I’m gonna have to agree with Micah. Most of those rounds are overpowered. If I have to shoot an intruder inside of my house, the last thing I want is the round to travel through and go through the wall into my kids room, etc. glad I’ve always stuck with the critical duty for all my defensive firearms.
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Bro critical duty will go through! What you want is critical defense, not duty
Critical duty will definitely go through, thats what its designed for. Critical defense is the one tested in the video and the one designed to not over penetrate
Get critical defense, or better yet g9
I dont care about overpen. If the neighborhood took better care of itself, I wouldn't have to shoot through the walls lol.
Very cool! Speer Gold Dot and Federal HST is what's in most my mags. 👍
I’d love to see a remake of this with more exotic 9mm defensive rounds like underwood extreme defender, fort scott TUI, liberty civil defense and g2 research RIP
Yeah, I carry the xtreme defender +P. I like its ability to get through stuff but then tumble in soft tissue.
I carry liberty civil
It's different. Extremely loud compared to normal 9mm and the recoil is really different too.
Sellier and Bellot
Underwood is crap so yeah don't buy it ever because you're dumb if you do and you should buy other stuff please
The only problem with your ballistic gel dummies is the fact that they are missing the tactical beer gut that can be used to absorb some of the impact of a 9mm to survive.
lmao
“Tactical Girth” as OG says
Lots of tactical fattys in their winter coats.
I usually carry spear gold dot LE with me but I been thinking about carrying the RIP rounds. Thanks for doing the testing so we can see what's up.
Thank you for doing this. two things: 1.) better photography. I can't see what's going on. 2.) considering the cost of the torso, I wish you'd gotten more use out of it by testing a larger variety of hollow points.
I witnessed a stand your ground shooting at a gas station a while back , a dude got blasted 6 times in the torso at about 4 yards away with 380 target rounds .
A few of the rounds completely penetrated the guys body and hit a car that was 15ft away.
The wildest part about the whole thing is that the guy survived the shooting , I still can’t believe it .
If he would’ve been hit with horny criticical defense rounds , he probably would’ve died on the spot and the car wouldn’t have been hit .
Did the dude go down after the first shot? Did he get back up after the 6th shot? Seems like shot placement is the most important thing, that and getting the first shot off.
"Horny critical defense rounds" dude my sides😂
Is this a paid marketing comment or are you trying to defend your choice of ammunition 😂
@@ahole5407 I just wanted to tell the story ,
and I used “horny critical defense “ because that’s what I have , and I prefer to call them horny because it’s funnier that way .
This sounds like it came straight out of a gun ad in the Red Dead Redemption 2 catalogue
I absolutely love that you kept the spider bit in there lmao 🤣
You guys are great, very watchable for 30 mins
Would love to see similar tests but with different layers of clothing (t shirt, jackets etc) added. Some defensive ammunition are better barrier penetrators than others.
any peace of clothing that you would normally where will not protect you against even the weakest of bullets (excluding bb's)
I can't believe you said "Hornady" wrong this entire video. Everybody knows it is pronounced "Horn Daddy"
My bad sorry
I have the great pleasure of working as a surgical technician for the USAF (4N1X1) and have pulled several bullets out of people and the critical defense has always expanded well. Fortunately the polymer tip makes it easy to distinguish and I was able to share what I know of defensive ammo to the surgeon that had no clue what that red plastic bit was.
And that is why I have Federal HST in my 9mms and Speer Gold Dots in my .45s. (Got a hella deal sometime back on several boxes of .45 GDs.)
My favorite gunpowder based science channel on YT.
Norma MHP appears to expand the most in other tests I've seen, causing a very nasty traumatic internal wound. With that said, Federal has a reputation for reliable expansion.
MHP, federal and speer all performed very well
@@GarandThumbI concur. I have ammo from those 3 manufacturers, and a few others, given the still unpredictable ammo availability. Thanks for taking the time to conduct this test, which it's more telling than a plain ballistic gel block.
@@GarandThumb I wonder how the Critical Duty or Critical Duty +P would compare against the Critical Defense.
@@GarandThumb Sig is great as well!
@@ichbinwolfgang From what I understand Critical Duty has a harder lead that keeps more of the core intact to make it barrier blind. You would likely see less expansion and more penetration. I can't remember if its a bonded bullet or not. I don't think it is.
The differences are harder lead, thicker jacket, and a stronger interlock band to keep the core engaged with the jacket.
My wife, during Christmas shopping, "Why did you park so far from the entrance?"
Me, "The comment section is out of control."
Been using Hornady Critical Defense for years. Have carried Speer Gold Dot occasionally, but not often. I like that I know the round will most likely stop inside of an attacker.
Underwood GoldDot 124 +P in a P320 for casual dress around town.
HST 124 +P in a subcompact P365 for formal attire at the country club.
Both on the nightstand.
It would be interesting to see how these perform after going through a couple layers of clothing. I think that's a selling point of the Hornady is the polymer prevents the hollow point getting clogged with debris on the way in.
Yes sir, that's correct. That's why J.J. Wittenborn, Illinois SWAT sniper/team commander, 27 years of experience prefer Hornady.
In 380 and 9mm I did test with clothing on bags of oranges with pork ribs on front and back. Hornaday performed ok. FEDERAL HST, and UNDERWOOD EXTREME DEFENSE stole the show.
Yes if am going to just shoot naked people this would be a good test otherwise it's just click bait
@@striperswiper1 so you did the Paul Harrell test
Clothing is basically a moot point.....
Nothing makes me happier than the shift in personality between Tactical Garand Thumb in Cryes and plate carriers and Doctor Science Garand Thumb in Pit Vipers and a blood soaked lab coat
DRT terminal shock is a good option as well. I personally carry it in 45 acp 150 grain. But iv seen the results of the 9mm and its pretty impressive
Thus channel is so good that I almost feel bad for being subscribed to other shooting channels.
We need a video testing some weird exotic 9mm rounds out there like liberty civil defense and g2 rip. And prove whether it truly is terrible or effective.
ARFCOM has some gel tests on them.
(Also ChoppingBlock. Same guy does both channels)
I just posted a comment about the Liberty 🗽 Civil Defense ammo. I thinks it's one of the best. I have shot over 1k rds in a G19 and a Sig P229 Elite. I've had 2 malfunctions in the Sig, but I attribute it to the LCI on the slide
@Robert Seaes man you're just upset today aren't ya? Like 3rd comment ive seen from you
Also,look into the " heavy for calibre" Seismic ammo line. 185 gr. 9 mm anyone ?
@Papa Bleach when it comes to trolls at this point I always remember there are entire reddit threads that are nothing but a bunch of trollbots arguing via algorithm and remember to ignore trolling.
Round placement is the answer, bullet size can make a difference but being a good shot is far more important!
Or both
A "bad hit'' is better than a "good miss"
Round placement is King.
True but when the bullet doesn’t even make it through the bone to hit the vitals then the bullet size kinda matters
Round placement compliments bullet size those.
I don't know who's worse Charlie with the rake or the cameraman with the Spiders. Lol
I carry every day but watching these makes me want to not be out and about in all honesty. I truly don't ever want to have to use mine on someone...can't imagine how I'd feel knowing I had to use one of my PD Rounds on an actual human...but with how crazy the world is these days and that I have 3 kids and a wife to attend to...ill keep carrying to make sure when I do go out ill have a better chance at coming back (I work around Detroit...thankfully I've changed up my business model to where I stay primarily in safe areas now a days though)
I love how you do experiments that we actually think about and need to know.
“Low drag, high snatch” No better dad advice has ever been given.
I was so used to the other intro soundtrack on these science explained vids
From what I'm understand the Hornady Critical Defense is an ammo specifically designed for the civilian self defense market. While the other two in this video are law enforcement "barrier blind" ammo, designed to go through light barrier hence the increase in penetrating ability compared to the Hornady. IMO in civilian everyday life Critical Defense is perfectly fine and are something I would carry. It's also within the FBI standard with about 14 inch in gel from what I saw on UA-cam.
Hornady is more for home defense so in my opinion that’s what you want, a round that doesn’t exit so it doesn’t keep going through walls and family members
I've never hit an animal with a Hornady and had it stay together. Any caliber
I'm not too surprised by the Hornady, Gold Dots, and HSTs, didn't expect that from the Norma ammo though. Also that Desert Eagle at the end I went huh that's what that would look like cause I just rewatched the original Matrix movie last night and that first shot was almost spot on with a shot in the movie
I know that when I finally left doing military LEO we carried JHPs as duty ammo. About half of the time was M882 like he said but the last bit was definitely Winchester JHPs.
Yes I'm sure you know better than the FBI who switched to the Hornady Critical Duty rounds 🙄 the Critical Defense round is specifically designed for low recoil and decent penetration out of a under 3" barrel, definitely not a duty round by any means.
Personally if I’m using a defensive round I don’t want it going though my target and risk hitting something behind, best to have it stop in the target. Just my thoughts
I would luv to see what "Hornedy" critical duty rds do in your test. Great vids as always.
As a nurse in New Orleans, one of the largest centers of gun violence in the world, you would be amazed at what the human body can survive. What ya'll perceive as more powerful, a through and through, usually does less damage. The hollow points that splinter apart generally knick multiple organ systems making them more fatal.
What's your take on this convid?
I think what they mean by "more powerful" is in reference to how much energy the round is carrying not so much how much its transfering to the target per se.
Although over penetration definitely wouldn't be the only predictor of how much energy a bullet was carrying.
Hollow point it is then.
More powerful in this sense means that military loads tend to be "hotter" than most civilian box ammo. Higher pressures and thus velocity. This is not always the case for all, just this instance, for clarification.
@Tstan
Can’t blame ya for asking when you can lol!
Pssst
I think we all know
I would love to see the effects of m193 on a torso with 10.3”, 14.5/16” and 20” barrels
They all would be devastating at those ranges and all would go through.
Every time I watch a video about M193 in ballistic gel, well it's pretty gruesome. ShootingTheBull810 made a video about M193 out of a 16 inch barrel and the result is pretty devastating. 14.5 I imagine would not be very different than 16. 10.3 might not give enough velocity to ensure M193's trademark fragmentation though
I'd really love to see this as well. The same thing with m855 too.
You would need to have a non compressible fluid in there for the purpose of hydraulics. It would add greatly to the damage
@@jimjab3631 just the torso like in the video would be more than enough but that would be fun to see
I think its time for a new 9mm defensive ammo test with different ammo such as G2 rip, defiant tcx, liberty defense, federal hst, underwood xtreme defender, Wilson combat, novx, fort scot tui, black hills honey badger, interceptor arx, hpr black ops, sinter fire frangible, basically any of the newer defensive ammo you can get maybe do a pistol test on one torso and a distance test on another torso 40-50 yards to test accuracy and expansion just a idea for another vid you guys are the best keep up the good work.
Who the fuck is shooting someone 40-50 yards away with a handgun.
I dont give a shit if it's an old video, we watch garand thumb on our lunch break!
Charlie is a blast, need more of him
Sus
@@BudgiePanic yes
He's like Toby from The Office
"Built like a bowl of milk" that really did me in
Hes gay.
A medical, "Squire", is called a, "Resident". LOL! Love the New Jersey doctor joke (Is that a joke?). 😆
The spider LOL. Yall's antics remind me of when i was in the Marines. I miss it.
Id love to see a video on how small caliber "self defense" ammo out of an LCP or similar does. Federal Punch and CCI Stinger vs a Federal Punch or Hornady Critical Defense 380.
Cool, hopefully the start of a series on the common handgun cartridges. 9mm, 40 SW, 45 ACP, .357 SIG, .357 Magnum, .380 ACP, and 38 special.
It'd be fun to see you do some testing with modern loadings of .45-70 or .30-30. Particularly the .45-70....a whole bunch of people were shot with that back in the day. It'd be comical to see what a round that was regularly used to yeet bison does to one of these torso models. I know your usual wheelhouse is modern stuff but it'd make for a fun cowboy themed episode......or maybe just the ending, like you did with the .50 AE here. Chaps or bust.
I have a Ruger No. 3 government issue 45 /70. I recently bought a box of nylon tips, dude at the gun shop asked "whatcha' takin' down? A huey?" lol. Amazing rifle, but it will set your a$$ on the ground.
Lol did y’all catch where he told his guy to hurry up and “get in there” then he was like whoa ho easy. 😆 Charlie don’t let this guy boss you around
The really good hollows are super duper expensive. I think it would be really cool if you guys made a video that was a cost/benefit analysis so we can get the best ammo for the least money. :-) I don't want you guys to screw up things with sponsors though, but it would make for a really good video.
Hornady Critical is designed to not be a through and through, to minimize risk and damage to anyone or anything behind the target. It performed exactly as it was designed to.
Actually the Critical Defense is designed to be a effective low recoil round for sub compact carry guns. It definitely doesn't have the best penetration characteristics but that's a byproduct of the faster burning but lower pressure powder load used to produce less recoil.
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@@M.C.1903 it's okay poor, I understand losers like you are too broke to be able to afford premium ammo 🤔
@@richardstarr2794 Nah dude, you just sound like a nerd.
Regarding the Critical Defense being under-powered, please note that Hornady designed the Critical Defense for use in compact pistols. It would likely be akin to using HST Micro instead of regular HST. The Critical Duty is specifically designed for use in full-size pistols, like the one utilized in the video. Not really an apples to apples comparison since you were using ammo not designed for that use case. I'd love to see how the Critical Duty would stand up next to the Gold Dot and the HST.
You guys are awesome !! Charlie is the GOAT !!!
amazing experiment!! you should test with another balistic dummy behind to test if overpenetration can kill.
I love how raid is willing to sponsor literal anything
I'd like to see what kind of injuries would be caused by the exiting bullets to a second ballistic dummy behind the first.
Fmj 9mm will go through two human bodies with no difficulty
All due respect... Alec Baldwin showed us that... though it was with a .45 we saw one bullet hit two people.
@@marcuseverett1642 But that was a prop gun. 😎 Seriously though. EXCELLENT point. I would assume the 45 LC that Alec negligently discharged would be FMJ, but what would a JHP do? That 50AE was devastating, but would be fatal to some standing behind?
@@krisc2476 I have no doubt. But what will JHPs do to the second body?
I second your recommendation. 👍🏽
The Fudds have never seen what a 10mm full power lost will do to flesh lol
You guys are awesome!! My kind of people. Thanks for what you do. My kind of humor too. Yal rock!!!!