@@Silentwingedone as long as they are interested or you are charming about it I’ve noticed a lot of girls who supposedly liked my nerdy interest didn’t care for it much but just loved how excited ,funny and interestingly presented it only my 2nd most recent girl really got into most of my nerdy interest and it was because she was the only tomboy band geek that got into anime and she showed me anime in exachange so yea lol none were gamer girls besides the band geek but not really until me
Suggestion for your lore videos: you can use a map of Tamriel to explain the events more thoroughly, like showing the locations and travel paths and so on. Might be a lot of work to do, but it would be a little more engaging than simply showing scenery from the games. Otherwise, you're doing a good job, keep at it lads!
It’s a shame there’s not many of snow elf ruins and artifacts left in the game. I really enjoyed exploring Forgotten Vale and Auri-El Chantry. Also, you know we would love to watch your Dawn Era Exlplained video no matter how confusing it could be! Bring it on!
Yea, the nords tore them down to use the stone. Buuut if you look at the chantry in the vale, and then look at the palace in windhelm, and keep in mind snow elf slaves built it, they look rather similar. The nords greatest palace is actually low key falmer...
Download the ruined shrine of phynaster mod for a small but very quality dungeon. Available on all platforms Puts a small dilapidated shrine with a few enemies, plus with a mihail mod it’s guarded by some monsters usually. Also really fun to use tundra defense to build a base around it and use it as your main base and place of worship if you’re role playing a snow elf Dragonborn. Build up your own village, even city around the ruins and memories of your kinds past, sounds like a good combo to me
@@guardiancologne9034 Yeah, honestly we all know Bethesda was lazy and just never actually added them into the game (like, even Aylied and Dwemer architecture is still around, thousands of years later) But yeah, some just say that the nords somehow managed to tear down all the Snow Elven architecture, and your guess is also probably a reasonable one. But yeah, funny how the Nords hate the Mer so much, yet their best, most well crafted city was built by enslaved Snow Elves... Man, Ysgramor really was a cruel person, enslaved them and forced them to keep on building the walls of Windhelm higher and higher.
I'm really looking forward to the Dawn Era EXPLAINED! I know it's difficult, but for me at least the dates do not really add much, rather the pivotal events that take place in an era give the contexts I find enjoyable.
I love the perspective you give between the Elder Scrolls timeline alongside reality's timeline. On the other hand, the Merethic Era was 2500yrs. That is roughly five generations of Mer. Yes, I know the lifespans of elves in Elder Scrolls is contentious, so I was making a minimal guess. Regardless, that is a vast difference compared to how many generations of Man would have passed during that time.
yea but not a good comparaison with buildings and masonry 4000 years go it would have been perfectly plausable for humanity to have built something like the white gold tower seeing as the great pyramids were built 4500 years ago the ziguraut of uruk 4000 years old gobekli tepe 12000 years old
If the day comes they make a movie, they have so much to pick from, there are literally textbooks of elder scrolls events, and peter jackson was who bethesda said would be the only choice for director should it ever come to pass. pretty far fetched but i think itd be awsome to see the rise of alessia, pelinal, umaril ect...
@@Afrancis16 Yeah, it would also be interesting to see how the High Elves responded and felt about their homeland being decimated by the Numidium, and perhaps we follow an Altmer child character that looses his family to the Attack, and then he grows up to join the Thalmor as one of its more senior, prominent members
New to this channel, and I'm loving it so far! I've always wanted to learn more about the vast lore of TES. Cant stop watching your videos! Great work! ❤
You should try out Lady of Elder Scrolls and Imperial Knowledge. Fudgemuppet is known for butchering quite a lot of the lore. Especially Lady of Elder Scrolls is a good channel; she lists all of her sources to the public via a Google Doc.
@@ChristAliveForevermore Given that the the companions arrived in Skyrim 500 years before the start of the 1st era. Then other Atmorans had to come, fully settle Skyrim, the dragoncults power has to increase, the Nords are pushed to far and start the dragonwars, win the wars eventually and then see the dragoncult disappear, all before the 1st era. I'd say it came with the Atmorans, that it was their religion back home in Atmora.
Normally historic events are forgotten with time, because there are no living survivors to retell the tale. But why is so little known about the Merethic era .. When there's Daedric princes around who were also around back then. They could easily be persuaded by sorcerers to give up their knowledge, and if they do so, it would be recorded in tomes, in high detail.
"When there's Daedric princes around who were also around back then. They could easily be persuaded by sorcerers to give up their knowledge" There isn't a single known event of a mortal subjugating a Daedric prince. (No, Jyggalag doesn't count) And they are lying. So if they tell you something, take it with a metric ton of salt.
@@boooster101 They're not really liars, they're cunning perhaps but they tell their worshippers exactl what to do and when. What benefit does lying give them? I wasn't talking about subjugating a daedric prince either, but a worshipper could easily inquire its lord about the merethic era for favors.
@@grefsteel3989 just mentioning that Melphala is literally the prince of lies Also, daedric princes are always deceptive, maybe with the exception for malakith and hircine Think of how Vile grants wishes like a djinn, always with an awful outcome Or haermaeus moras knowledge corrupting you Long story short, daedric prince are if anything the epitomy of the unreliable narrator and you won't get any amount of accuracy when/if they tell you about the past. At best askewed and twisted mythology Rather have a moth priest decipher the past from elder scrolls or find some ancient bound spirits, like in the soul khairn
If figuring out the Merethic Era was this hard, when there were _some_ dates to go by and time already existed, I shudder to think of what it will take to explain the Dawn Era. I would love to learn more about Redguard lore and culture. Especially how the Sinistral Elves and Ancient Yokudans have influenced modern thoughts and beliefs. "Orichalc" weapons likewise deserve an explanation. Is it just orichalcum?
I've been wait for this video since I watched the episodes regarding the the first four era's of the Elder Scrolls lore videos so this was worth the wait thank you Fudgemuppet
Well, Topal made them friends of the Mer, and in a foreign place like Cyrodiil, wouldn't the arriving Aldmer/Altmer have made peace with the natives given they were gifted places for the Elves to stay in their return?
@@thalmoragent9344 It's possible that's how they were wiped out so easily--They trusted the elves and the elves likely enslaved or just straight up murdered them for being there.
@@wybub Well, if Topal told the other Aldmer that they made friends in Cyrodiil, then I feel keeping the Natives around would be beneficial, no? To learn more of the land? Plus, we have to remember that the Khajit of the time were a bit more animalistic, so who knows, maybe they warred with them, and so with the Aylieds taking more land and loosing population to the Khajit, it could've been a natural and slow Extinction. Either way, given the way Aylieds take the Bird/Avian motifs to 11/10, even more than the Altmer, maybe they had a peace and liked the whole bird imagery since it reminds them of Auriel, but I guess we'll never know for sure. Could've been all manner of things.
I wouldn't mind seeing you make a massive in depth timeline series from the dawn up to current time. Not only that, but you would be able to make extra videos for the series if any large pieces of history are revealed/added later on.
I'm pretty sure actually that most of the myths form that era are quite likely true, if not even more beyond what they are saying. After all the elder scrolls has this theme going on of a post apocalyptic world, there used to be a time of great beings, power and magic, but that has passed, and all that remains now is a world we as the player could see as a magic medieval era, but is actually just a shell of what that world used to be. It also follows the pattern from the entire universe in that world. They started with gods, and devolved from there on. Gods die or vanish, magic slowly becomes weaker or fades, mighty relics from ancient times lose their power or only have a fraction of what they used to. To us as the player this appears as a world of magic and wonder, but its likely that to the beings form the merethic era, Nirn just appears as a hollow shell of what it used to be.
@@FireFox64000000 I wanted to comment this as well xD But Bethesda is unique in its own way. It's actually one of the few high fantasy (including books) universes that's really unique and doesn't just copy off of Tolkien or Lewis.
The best timing I can think of would be during the Succession Crisis that torn the Nordic Empire apart, Harkon could have been one of the people who disputed the succession and ultimately brought down the Empire he wished to rule. If this is right it would also explain why Serana was surprised Cyrodiil was the seat of it's own empire. I could also be completely wrong but hey I'm no loremaster just a weirdo debating the timeline of a mythical world instead of going outside.
@@i20coyote85 Yes it seems they were established as Nords before then. That said, someone dealing with daedra in that time would probably be enough of a scholar to know of the Ayleid Empire. Her surprise must come from there having been a gap with no clear succession. The Ayleids were pretty certain to be replaced at their fall. It seems Serana was buried later and my original post was pretty baseless.
Do a large Dawn Era video. Explain all the creation myths and compare/contrast them. Do like a full on documentary style vid on the subject. It's one of the most interesting aspects of the TES universe. I've studied it a lot watching vids and so on, but it would be nice to have a full analysis of it. Not just a "here's what the myths say" but rather a full video explaining the differences and similarities, and really giving it a full on analysis. Personally, I'd be hoping for an hour or longer vid fully examining it. I know that's a lot of work and a lot of repeated info from tons of other vids, but you know what, it's the most interesting part of TES so it fully deserves such a massive undertaking. It would also be interesting to get quotes from the in game books and and some of the out of game writing.
The playlist that Safiya Mukhamadova created is exquisitely convenient @FudgeMuppet you should create a playlist of your own, so that its on your channel.
I hope that if TES 6 is in Hammerfell, we get to see a pocket of Nedes who lived through the Redguard invasions, and maybe get to go to Stros M'kai and an Island of Yokuda
@@kuleguy2010 we never had an elder scroll game specifically set in valenwood before plus we get to see what life is like under the rule of the thalmor aldmeri dominion the only info on what it was like was from that diplomatic immunity quest in skyrim where they do there annual purges and malborn family is one of the victims in these purges but other then this there not much else
Damn you. At the start of this video I thought to myself, "How many years are in the timeline?" So I paused the video, did some Googling, pulled out the calculator and came to 4450 years. Good. That's sorted. Continue watching the video. Then at 6:45 you tell us of the 4450 year timeline. Damn it. Maybe I should have waited before doing my research. lol.
Do the Dawn Era, but try to consolidate all the different creation stories into the closest possible thing to one tale. It might also be fun to see if there's any way it could all happen at once without split timelines.
At a glance I read the thumbnail as "Meth Explained"
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Fuck😂😂☠ would be shooketh to me timbers to get THAT notification from FM LMAO but now that I'm thinking about it Scott an Seth from TheDrugClassroom would compliment each other's narration, technical explanations and articulacy very well
Thank you so much for breaking it down in a way I can better comprehend, FM guys! I encourage you to do the video on the earliest era. It’s confusing, but you guys seem to be gifted with bringing some logical order to chaos and concepts. I also have a question: would you guys want a game (clearly after TES 6) that takes place in the Merethic era, to flesh out some of the lore and introduce us to races that we haven’t seen or played before & how would you conceptualize the game’s main & side stories? Love you all. Also, next part in things we want in TES 6 or I will pray to Boethiah to swallow you all whole and excrete you as something far more hideous than Malacath.
I love your lore videos are told presented with sometimes you guys in lore narrating as a discover of some kind of secret lore told like that is immersive your vids are awesome guys love the elder scrolls lore cool
Something that has always driven me nuts about Elder Scrolls is the progression of time. I'm a bit of a history fanatic and I get that from a gameplay perspective it has to stay relatively stagnant but you'd think that after several thousands of years they'd start figuring out some technology. I get why they don't, I'd HATE a steampunky Elder Scrolls but I wish they'd at least have a lore reason technology and progress stays stagnant.
It probably has to do with the existence of magic. People who in our world would be scientists are alchemists, enchanters or scholars of magic in TES. Aside from the Dwemer, the only other people that somewhat contributed to technology were the ones who were making clocks, farming/milling equipment, and other similar things. It's not that they wouldn't benefit from technology, or that magic does everything that technology could. But rather, magic _seems_ like it can solve any problem. It's the go-to answer for any complicated question because it's the most advanced and versatile field of study they know. And, if you think of it, the ones with the most amount of knowledge, the ones that have refined and perfected many crafts and could possibly develop technology further... are the altmer. But the altmer love magic, they wouldn't even think of something that could rival it because it's their strongest connection with the aedra, with magnus, with what they're "meant to be". But of course, the dwemer existed in spite of that, but weren't well liked because of their atheism (from what I gathered). And then they zero-summed. So, following the path of the dwemers is not something that most men or mer would be inclined to do, I guess. And most of the ones that are interested in dwemer technology are pretty hell-bent in it being _dwemer_ technology and don't try a different approach, and with dwemer tech being so complicated, little to no progress is made
Sucks too. Tamriel belonged to the Mer, and of course Humans from literally 3 other Continents show up and screw around with them. Now we have Mer that have gone all but extinct on Tamriel, meanwhile all humans still live to the present day (save for maybe the Akivir Humans, which may or may not be Extinct, but not due to Mer)
I think it's important to note that most of what we know about the conflict/relationship between the Snow Elves and the Atmorans/Nords is from Nordic accounts. They enslaved elves and cut their tongues out, among other things. They also tried to genocide just about everything but themselves. They're not gonna say nice things about the elves and they're not gonna write themselves as the bad guys. They are gonna embellish their own accomplishments and justify any and all horrific actions they took. I just find it frustrating that no one even mentions this bias in the lore, they just believe what the victors of the conflict say as uncontested fact.
A beautifully awful example of what you’ve just said is the Disappearance of the Dwemer. For about 50 to maybe a maximum of 100 years, the Nords started waging war against the Dwemer. One day, the Dwemer just kind of… vanished from all of existence. The Nords began writing stories and false tales about how their mighty King “Led the Nord armies so vigorously that he decimated the legions of the Chimer and the Dwemer.” In reality, we as outside readers know that the Dwemer actually tampered with the Heart of Lorkan during the Battle of Red Mountain, and either teleported themselves straight into Oblivion, or threw themselves thousands of years into the future. . We as readers actually understand that what really happened was the Nords were lured by the Chimer into a dual sided Ambush with the help of the Dwemer. During this final conflict when the Dwemer and Chimer believed the Nords defeated, the scholars argue that perhaps **((Its just pure speculation in reality…. But PERHAPS))** a combined forced of Orsimeri and Khajiti warriors arrived in the aid of the Nords, and **This** is why the Dwemer ended up tampering with the Heart of Lorkan. Right as they were about to wipe the Nords from the face of Mundus and Nirn combined, Khajit assassins popped out of the shadows and began slaughtering the Chimer, while the Orsimer berserker rushed the Dwemer. Suddenly the Dwemer and the Chimer began losing the fight, so Dumac Dwarfking called for their ultimate Hail Mary: Use prototype technology to alter the Heart of Lorkan in an act of pure desperation in order to win this abrupt and extreme turn of the tides.
The reason for such a long post though is say that the Nords have always been known to alter history in their favor. The disappearance of the Dwemer was by no means an achievement of the Nords, but the rewrote history to say it was specifically because of the Nords and the Nords alone that the Dwemer were wiped to extinction. In reality, it could simply have been the fact that the Orsimer hated the Dwemer and the Chimer and wanted to destroy them, so they saw the Nordic ambush as a means to an end. Let the Nords die out which is a Win-Win for the Orsimer to conquer them afterward, let the Dwemer and Chimer turn their backs and blind themselves in their Pride of false victory; then jump from the shadows and decimate them all.
I really want a game in the Merethic or First Era. I want to see races/creatures that aren't around anymore or go to a location a main game hasn't been set in
@@jacrispy3275 That would be amazing. It would basically be like what New Vegas was to Fallout 3. A game to create more lore/expand on some of the obscure lore of the Elder Scrolls series. So much could be done with a Merethic Era game because it wouldn't have to abide by the rules that any of the other games do. There will always be mysteries in the Elder Scrolls universe, but what better way to create more mysteries than by demystifying some of the other ones? There is almost an infinite amount of possibilities for Elder Scrolls games. I'm sure if we request a Merethic Era game enough from Bethesda, they will deliver. I just hope there won't be any microtransactions
@@walrusmcgee - yeah. It'd be cool to play as a Chimer, Falmer, or Dwemer. It'd be cool if campaigns would vary depending on race. Like, if your an Atmoran, you assist Ysgramor in wiping out the elves. Or if you're a mer, you get to band together with the other races of mer, and help combat the Atmorans. Lots of possibilities.
@@jacrispy3275 I would want a game that takes place before the men and elves went to war. There was a time when the Nedes/Ayleids and Nords/Snow elves coexisted. Or maybe a game set during events unbeknownst to us occurred so we can have new lore. I really want to see Pyandonea, Thras, Esroniet, Akavir, Yokuda, or Atmora
Awesome as always!! Could you do such a history series about Fallout too? Like going through the Fallout timeline. Maybe even starting way before the bombs fell.
Since Nords and the Snow Elves were enemies, I would think the Nords utterly crushed them. Not to mention there is a Snow Elf statue, and some people think the College of Winterholds architecture is akin to snow elves
Considering how long the elven lifespan is 200 to 300 years and could increase this with magic, the actual number of generations between creation and today is around 20. This doesn't include Elhnofey descending into altmer either. The Elves held dominance on Nirn for maybe a handful of generations at most.
Recorded history in Elder Scrolls is almost as long as real life recorded history which is around 5,000 years which is surprising as I someone with very limited knowledge of ES lore thought it would be much shorter because the length of the numbered eras seem pretty short before I knew about the mer era which makes it even longer which I crazy
It would be interesting to know why the Needs fled Atmora, could it have been because of a civil war or a natural disaster that caused many of them to flee?
Hit us with the Dawn Era; a confusing, ethereal knowledge of a subject certainly beats complete ignorance, especially when the topic is by it's very nature, confusing and ethereal.
so heres a serious question and i hope you guys see it, but why doesnt technology seem to advance in the elder scrolls? in our world we advanced rather quickly in a few hundred years, but they havnt advanced at all in a few thousand????
I for one want to know more about the Dwemer. My theory as to the Dwemer is they come from the stars, not from Nirn. My reasoning is advanced tech so quick as thou that is the world they come from, however they do not have the manufacturing base to go further.
Imagine in Elder Scrolls 6 you can choose your heritage. For example, High Elf father and Redguard mother. Your appearance would change and your powers would be different.
You should try to do a dawn era video. Anyone who watches these kinds of videos likely knows that not much is set in stone during the Dawn Era, but I think it would be better than to just watch the gods video. Maybe simply retell and compare and contrast all the different creation myths.
No Ads, blanket over me, chillin to some game history cuz I've already studied a shit ton of real world history. Love it
I think bragging about your superior knowledge of Elder Scrolls Lore will impress more women than your knowledge of "Real World History".
@@mynameisveer5823 "allow me to explain the legend of Tibe Septim my lady"
Hey gamer chicks ( as one I should know) dig both ES lore and real world history.
Me playing elderkings 2 a crusader kings 3 mod playing as the Bretons of daggerfall trying to unite all of HighRock in 2nd era
@@Silentwingedone as long as they are interested or you are charming about it I’ve noticed a lot of girls who supposedly liked my nerdy interest didn’t care for it much but just loved how excited ,funny and interestingly presented it only my 2nd most recent girl really got into most of my nerdy interest and it was because she was the only tomboy band geek that got into anime and she showed me anime in exachange so yea lol none were gamer girls besides the band geek but not really until me
Suggestion for your lore videos: you can use a map of Tamriel to explain the events more thoroughly, like showing the locations and travel paths and so on. Might be a lot of work to do, but it would be a little more engaging than simply showing scenery from the games. Otherwise, you're doing a good job, keep at it lads!
Yes! Amazing idea!
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I wish they had done this
Something like what kings and general has done with the history of the septim empire videos
The Mere *thicc* era
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Get out HAHA
Mere thicc
Mer thicc
Thicc mer
Thiccmer 👌🏻
But is it _extra_ thicc?
Internet Zen Master what in the _goddamn_ are you tryna say lol
It’s a shame there’s not many of snow elf ruins and artifacts left in the game. I really enjoyed exploring Forgotten Vale and Auri-El Chantry. Also, you know we would love to watch your Dawn Era Exlplained video no matter how confusing it could be! Bring it on!
Akatosh Dragon God of Time I mean in game. Oops.
Yea, the nords tore them down to use the stone. Buuut if you look at the chantry in the vale, and then look at the palace in windhelm, and keep in mind snow elf slaves built it, they look rather similar. The nords greatest palace is actually low key falmer...
Download the ruined shrine of phynaster mod for a small but very quality dungeon. Available on all platforms
Puts a small dilapidated shrine with a few enemies, plus with a mihail mod it’s guarded by some monsters usually. Also really fun to use tundra defense to build a base around it and use it as your main base and place of worship if you’re role playing a snow elf Dragonborn. Build up your own village, even city around the ruins and memories of your kinds past, sounds like a good combo to me
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Yeah, honestly we all know Bethesda was lazy and just never actually added them into the game (like, even Aylied and Dwemer architecture is still around, thousands of years later)
But yeah, some just say that the nords somehow managed to tear down all the Snow Elven architecture, and your guess is also probably a reasonable one.
But yeah, funny how the Nords hate the Mer so much, yet their best, most well crafted city was built by enslaved Snow Elves...
Man, Ysgramor really was a cruel person, enslaved them and forced them to keep on building the walls of Windhelm higher and higher.
I really feel Skyrim should have included far more snow elf ruins than dwemer ruins. Like a 50-50
I'm really looking forward to the Dawn Era EXPLAINED! I know it's difficult, but for me at least the dates do not really add much, rather the pivotal events that take place in an era give the contexts I find enjoyable.
Dawn Era explained would be cool as fuck
Damn, by the thumbnail thought it was “thicc explained”
Yanks really should explain their lust for lardies, yes.
We already have a video on Nocturnal
I suppose you could say, Nordic Leg Day(the mod) has his origins in the Merithicc era. Lol.
Haha me too
M E R E T H I C C !
If we got a game in the Merethic or First Era I could die happily
Yea and u could be snow elves sea elves and other unplayable races in the other elders scroll
you have played a game from the merethic era
Yes play as tiber septim. An become talos
@@kadenunterfrykte9160 @Bethesda. Make this happen
fallout is the dawn/merethic era
I love the perspective you give between the Elder Scrolls timeline alongside reality's timeline. On the other hand, the Merethic Era was 2500yrs. That is roughly five generations of Mer. Yes, I know the lifespans of elves in Elder Scrolls is contentious, so I was making a minimal guess. Regardless, that is a vast difference compared to how many generations of Man would have passed during that time.
yea but not a good comparaison with buildings and masonry 4000 years go it would have been perfectly plausable for humanity to have built something like the white gold tower seeing as the great pyramids were built 4500 years ago the ziguraut of uruk 4000 years old gobekli tepe 12000 years old
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Actually, White-Gold Tower was made by the Aylieds, whether human slaves were used to help it, can't say
i think you could pull off a good dawn era vid
His video explaining the gods and pantheons basically is the Dawn Era video, since the stories of them and creation are all that really happened
if anyone could, it'd be fudge but there's not much to the actual dawn era besides the creation mythos
If the day comes they make a movie, they have so much to pick from, there are literally textbooks of elder scrolls events, and peter jackson was who bethesda said would be the only choice for director should it ever come to pass. pretty far fetched but i think itd be awsome to see the rise of alessia, pelinal, umaril ect...
I’d like to see Tiber Septims conquest of Tamriel. I know this is 2 years old but whatever
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Yeah, it would also be interesting to see how the High Elves responded and felt about their homeland being decimated by the Numidium, and perhaps we follow an Altmer child character that looses his family to the Attack, and then he grows up to join the Thalmor as one of its more senior, prominent members
Surprised how short this video was, but was still awesome. Can't wait to see if you'll do one on the Dawn Era, as painful as it would be
New to this channel, and I'm loving it so far! I've always wanted to learn more about the vast lore of TES. Cant stop watching your videos! Great work! ❤
You should try out Lady of Elder Scrolls and Imperial Knowledge. Fudgemuppet is known for butchering quite a lot of the lore.
Especially Lady of Elder Scrolls is a good channel; she lists all of her sources to the public via a Google Doc.
Please do more on this Era, FudgeMuppet overlords.
Atmorans: settle in skyrim, kick out the elves.
Alduin and the dragons: *It's free real estate.*
Pretty much, yeah
I was always confused about the time frame between Ysgramor's arrival and the height of Skyrim's dragon cult rule.
@@ChristAliveForevermore Given that the the companions arrived in Skyrim 500 years before the start of the 1st era. Then other Atmorans had to come, fully settle Skyrim, the dragoncults power has to increase, the Nords are pushed to far and start the dragonwars, win the wars eventually and then see the dragoncult disappear, all before the 1st era. I'd say it came with the Atmorans, that it was their religion back home in Atmora.
This video didn't really explain when and where the dragons came from, so I'm still a little confused about that
You should do a video on the Dawn Era too.
Thirded!
Yes
I would love to see a Dawn Era video, especially if it attempted to compile and merge the various creation myths into a cohesive whole.
Normally historic events are forgotten with time, because there are no living survivors to retell the tale.
But why is so little known about the Merethic era .. When there's Daedric princes around who were also around back then.
They could easily be persuaded by sorcerers to give up their knowledge, and if they do so, it would be recorded in tomes, in high detail.
"When there's Daedric princes around who were also around back then.
They could easily be persuaded by sorcerers to give up their knowledge"
There isn't a single known event of a mortal subjugating a Daedric prince. (No, Jyggalag doesn't count)
And they are lying. So if they tell you something, take it with a metric ton of salt.
@@boooster101 They're not really liars, they're cunning perhaps but they tell their worshippers exactl what to do and when. What benefit does lying give them?
I wasn't talking about subjugating a daedric prince either, but a worshipper could easily inquire its lord about the merethic era for favors.
@@grefsteel3989 just mentioning that Melphala is literally the prince of lies
Also, daedric princes are always deceptive, maybe with the exception for malakith and hircine
Think of how Vile grants wishes like a djinn, always with an awful outcome
Or haermaeus moras knowledge corrupting you
Long story short, daedric prince are if anything the epitomy of the unreliable narrator and you won't get any amount of accuracy when/if they tell you about the past.
At best askewed and twisted mythology
Rather have a moth priest decipher the past from elder scrolls or find some ancient bound spirits, like in the soul khairn
Finally i have been waiting so long for this, loved it!
I'd love a DLC called 'Father of the NIben' set in the merethic era, sailing as Topal the Pilot all around ancient Tamriel exploring...
If figuring out the Merethic Era was this hard, when there were _some_ dates to go by and time already existed, I shudder to think of what it will take to explain the Dawn Era.
I would love to learn more about Redguard lore and culture. Especially how the Sinistral Elves and Ancient Yokudans have influenced modern thoughts and beliefs. "Orichalc" weapons likewise deserve an explanation. Is it just orichalcum?
Perfect! I needed a video that summed up the era for my elder scrolls d&d that'll take place during the Merethic Era :D
I've been wait for this video since I watched the episodes regarding the the first four era's of the Elder Scrolls lore videos so this was worth the wait thank you Fudgemuppet
I like that you use the area of Hammerfell from the Grey Cowl mod to represent the region, it's a reallyfun mod
My theory about the bird men is they were wiped out by the Ayleids
In bird culture that is considered a dick move.
Well, Topal made them friends of the Mer, and in a foreign place like Cyrodiil, wouldn't the arriving Aldmer/Altmer have made peace with the natives given they were gifted places for the Elves to stay in their return?
@@thalmoragent9344 It's possible that's how they were wiped out so easily--They trusted the elves and the elves likely enslaved or just straight up murdered them for being there.
@@wybub
Well, if Topal told the other Aldmer that they made friends in Cyrodiil, then I feel keeping the Natives around would be beneficial, no? To learn more of the land? Plus, we have to remember that the Khajit of the time were a bit more animalistic, so who knows, maybe they warred with them, and so with the Aylieds taking more land and loosing population to the Khajit, it could've been a natural and slow Extinction.
Either way, given the way Aylieds take the Bird/Avian motifs to 11/10, even more than the Altmer, maybe they had a peace and liked the whole bird imagery since it reminds them of Auriel, but I guess we'll never know for sure.
Could've been all manner of things.
@@barkasz6066 😂😂😂 underrated
By Azura! I was just thinking last night "I wonder if FudgeMuppet is going to release a video on the Merethic Era anytime soon." Amazing!
By Azura, by Azura, by Azura! The champion, standing here, next to me! (Or something like that)
I would still love to see a Dawn Era video just to round out the series.
I wouldn't mind seeing you make a massive in depth timeline series from the dawn up to current time.
Not only that, but you would be able to make extra videos for the series if any large pieces of history are revealed/added later on.
I'm pretty sure actually that most of the myths form that era are quite likely true, if not even more beyond what they are saying.
After all the elder scrolls has this theme going on of a post apocalyptic world, there used to be a time of great beings, power and magic, but that has passed, and all that remains now is a world we as the player could see as a magic medieval era, but is actually just a shell of what that world used to be.
It also follows the pattern from the entire universe in that world.
They started with gods, and devolved from there on.
Gods die or vanish, magic slowly becomes weaker or fades, mighty relics from ancient times lose their power or only have a fraction of what they used to.
To us as the player this appears as a world of magic and wonder, but its likely that to the beings form the merethic era, Nirn just appears as a hollow shell of what it used to be.
So like lotr?
FireFox64000000 well most fantasy games are based off Lotr so yes.
Though its more funny to refer to it as Medieval Fallout.
@@FireFox64000000 I wanted to comment this as well xD But Bethesda is unique in its own way. It's actually one of the few high fantasy (including books) universes that's really unique and doesn't just copy off of Tolkien or Lewis.
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It's nice to see that they at least partly care. Or at the very least the storytelling team cares.
@@FireFox64000000 Definetly. There's few fantasy worlds with really compelling and expansive lore.
*Is This The Dawning of The Dawn Era Video???*
Nice!
If Serana was buried some time at least before the Alessian Empire. When would Harkon have been king and to whom?
The best timing I can think of would be during the Succession Crisis that torn the Nordic Empire apart, Harkon could have been one of the people who disputed the succession and ultimately brought down the Empire he wished to rule. If this is right it would also explain why Serana was surprised Cyrodiil was the seat of it's own empire. I could also be completely wrong but hey I'm no loremaster just a weirdo debating the timeline of a mythical world instead of going outside.
Weren't the Ayleids an empire in Cyrodil before allessia
@@i20coyote85 Entirely to early though, Harkon is Nord.
@@insaincaldo yes but didnt the first from Atmore come before the ayleids fell to whitestrake
@@i20coyote85 Yes it seems they were established as Nords before then. That said, someone dealing with daedra in that time would probably be enough of a scholar to know of the Ayleid Empire. Her surprise must come from there having been a gap with no clear succession. The Ayleids were pretty certain to be replaced at their fall. It seems Serana was buried later and my original post was pretty baseless.
after playing through EK2 i now feel like an expert in the lore and geography of Tamriel
Normally I'd be watching lord of the rings history videos but now i have one more channel i can spend some time on. Good videos mate keep it up 👍🏽
Do a large Dawn Era video. Explain all the creation myths and compare/contrast them. Do like a full on documentary style vid on the subject. It's one of the most interesting aspects of the TES universe. I've studied it a lot watching vids and so on, but it would be nice to have a full analysis of it. Not just a "here's what the myths say" but rather a full video explaining the differences and similarities, and really giving it a full on analysis. Personally, I'd be hoping for an hour or longer vid fully examining it. I know that's a lot of work and a lot of repeated info from tons of other vids, but you know what, it's the most interesting part of TES so it fully deserves such a massive undertaking. It would also be interesting to get quotes from the in game books and and some of the out of game writing.
The playlist that Safiya Mukhamadova created is exquisitely convenient
@FudgeMuppet you should create a playlist of your own, so that its on your channel.
I hope that if TES 6 is in Hammerfell, we get to see a pocket of Nedes who lived through the Redguard invasions, and maybe get to go to Stros M'kai and an Island of Yokuda
I doubt that. They killed EVERYTHING that wasn't Youkudan.
osyrys what race is from hammerfell?
@Alexander Mains it has been confirmed that it won't be
@Alexander Mains it has boiled down to 4 possibilities. Valenwood, Hammerfell, High Rock, or both High Rock and Hammerfell combined
@@kuleguy2010 we never had an elder scroll game specifically set in valenwood before plus we get to see what life is like under the rule of the thalmor aldmeri dominion the only info on what it was like was from that diplomatic immunity quest in skyrim where they do there annual purges and malborn family is one of the victims in these purges but other then this there not much else
Thank you for putting out such high quality videos so often!!! These era explained videos are especially helpful
Damn you. At the start of this video I thought to myself, "How many years are in the timeline?" So I paused the video, did some Googling, pulled out the calculator and came to 4450 years. Good. That's sorted. Continue watching the video. Then at 6:45 you tell us of the 4450 year timeline. Damn it. Maybe I should have waited before doing my research. lol.
Do the Dawn Era, but try to consolidate all the different creation stories into the closest possible thing to one tale. It might also be fun to see if there's any way it could all happen at once without split timelines.
Love how you explain the timelines
I watch any ES lore videos you guys make so if you feel up for making us a Dawn Era explained video then go for it man.
Kills ebony warrior . Sovangard at last . (Traps soul)
Wouldn't it be crazy that after defeating him, you could find him later in Sovngarde
@@theRealTyanStrategy try exploring Sovngarde
@@theRealTyanStrategy Yeah he is there
This video was perfect to complete my early history lore knowledge I hope the numbered eras are as good as this video
At a glance I read the thumbnail as "Meth Explained"
Fuck😂😂☠ would be shooketh to me timbers to get THAT notification from FM LMAO but now that I'm thinking about it Scott an Seth from TheDrugClassroom would compliment each other's narration, technical explanations and articulacy very well
Great video once again! Please, make one for the Dawn Era!
I've played all the elder scrolls games but I still know barely any lore so thanks for this and the other 120 vids i'll be watching
Thank you so much for breaking it down in a way I can better comprehend, FM guys! I encourage you to do the video on the earliest era. It’s confusing, but you guys seem to be gifted with bringing some logical order to chaos and concepts. I also have a question: would you guys want a game (clearly after TES 6) that takes place in the Merethic era, to flesh out some of the lore and introduce us to races that we haven’t seen or played before & how would you conceptualize the game’s main & side stories? Love you all. Also, next part in things we want in TES 6 or I will pray to Boethiah to swallow you all whole and excrete you as something far more hideous than Malacath.
I really hope to see the dawn era explained
A year later and I want the dawn era video!!!
You guys should do a build based around Isaac from Castlevania, it would be interesting to see your spin on the character and what mods you'd use
Moral : dont mess with the Nords
They weren't Nords at the time. Atmorans are a predecessor race to Nords.
BOETHIAH DID WHAT WITH TRINIMAC????????
Malacath the poop god
I've been looking forward to this for a long time.
Awesome job, thank you for making this.
yes please do a video for the dawn era I've really enjoyed this series of vidoes
Dawn Era Explained would be great! We need a "comlete set" of eras! :)
Last time I was this late. The snow elves were already gone and dragon priest are not but memories.
I love these videos, can't get enough elder scrolls knowledge lol. Keep it up
I love your lore videos are told presented with sometimes you guys in lore narrating as a discover of some kind of secret lore told like that is immersive your vids are awesome guys love the elder scrolls lore cool
Can't wait for the dawn era
Something that has always driven me nuts about Elder Scrolls is the progression of time. I'm a bit of a history fanatic and I get that from a gameplay perspective it has to stay relatively stagnant but you'd think that after several thousands of years they'd start figuring out some technology. I get why they don't, I'd HATE a steampunky Elder Scrolls but I wish they'd at least have a lore reason technology and progress stays stagnant.
Who needs technology, if you have magic?
It probably has to do with the existence of magic. People who in our world would be scientists are alchemists, enchanters or scholars of magic in TES.
Aside from the Dwemer, the only other people that somewhat contributed to technology were the ones who were making clocks, farming/milling equipment, and other similar things.
It's not that they wouldn't benefit from technology, or that magic does everything that technology could.
But rather, magic _seems_ like it can solve any problem. It's the go-to answer for any complicated question because it's the most advanced and versatile field of study they know. And, if you think of it, the ones with the most amount of knowledge, the ones that have refined and perfected many crafts and could possibly develop technology further... are the altmer. But the altmer love magic, they wouldn't even think of something that could rival it because it's their strongest connection with the aedra, with magnus, with what they're "meant to be".
But of course, the dwemer existed in spite of that, but weren't well liked because of their atheism (from what I gathered). And then they zero-summed. So, following the path of the dwemers is not something that most men or mer would be inclined to do, I guess. And most of the ones that are interested in dwemer technology are pretty hell-bent in it being _dwemer_ technology and don't try a different approach, and with dwemer tech being so complicated, little to no progress is made
I think your 2E video was the best
Def would love to see a Dawn Era
Do one on Vivec like his past.
Or battles like mehrunes Dagon and almelexia
i know this video is two years old now, but if the music was just a little quieter, i feel that this video would have been even better
I want to go to Atmora some day
yea another suggestion is maybe use a timeline on screen with arrows or names
Last time I was this early, I was friends with the godhead
Toddhead? :)
If anyone could pull of a dawn era video it would be fudgemuppet
Now we just need the Dawn Era
Elves: Woohoo Tamriel is ours!!
Ysgramor: I’m about to do what’s called a pro Man move
Sucks too. Tamriel belonged to the Mer, and of course Humans from literally 3 other Continents show up and screw around with them. Now we have Mer that have gone all but extinct on Tamriel, meanwhile all humans still live to the present day (save for maybe the Akivir Humans, which may or may not be Extinct, but not due to Mer)
Its amazing to think that skyrim was temperate once. And that the frozen coast we see today was once clear
Zero dislikes so far. Fudgemuppet is life.
It was made just an hour ago.
I think it's important to note that most of what we know about the conflict/relationship between the Snow Elves and the Atmorans/Nords is from Nordic accounts. They enslaved elves and cut their tongues out, among other things. They also tried to genocide just about everything but themselves. They're not gonna say nice things about the elves and they're not gonna write themselves as the bad guys. They are gonna embellish their own accomplishments and justify any and all horrific actions they took. I just find it frustrating that no one even mentions this bias in the lore, they just believe what the victors of the conflict say as uncontested fact.
A beautifully awful example of what you’ve just said is the Disappearance of the Dwemer. For about 50 to maybe a maximum of 100 years, the Nords started waging war against the Dwemer. One day, the Dwemer just kind of… vanished from all of existence.
The Nords began writing stories and false tales about how their mighty King “Led the Nord armies so vigorously that he decimated the legions of the Chimer and the Dwemer.”
In reality, we as outside readers know that the Dwemer actually tampered with the Heart of Lorkan during the Battle of Red Mountain, and either teleported themselves straight into Oblivion, or threw themselves thousands of years into the future.
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We as readers actually understand that what really happened was the Nords were lured by the Chimer into a dual sided Ambush with the help of the Dwemer. During this final conflict when the Dwemer and Chimer believed the Nords defeated, the scholars argue that perhaps **((Its just pure speculation in reality…. But PERHAPS))** a combined forced of Orsimeri and Khajiti warriors arrived in the aid of the Nords, and **This** is why the Dwemer ended up tampering with the Heart of Lorkan.
Right as they were about to wipe the Nords from the face of Mundus and Nirn combined, Khajit assassins popped out of the shadows and began slaughtering the Chimer, while the Orsimer berserker rushed the Dwemer.
Suddenly the Dwemer and the Chimer began losing the fight, so Dumac Dwarfking called for their ultimate Hail Mary: Use prototype technology to alter the Heart of Lorkan in an act of pure desperation in order to win this abrupt and extreme turn of the tides.
The reason for such a long post though is say that the Nords have always been known to alter history in their favor. The disappearance of the Dwemer was by no means an achievement of the Nords, but the rewrote history to say it was specifically because of the Nords and the Nords alone that the Dwemer were wiped to extinction.
In reality, it could simply have been the fact that the Orsimer hated the Dwemer and the Chimer and wanted to destroy them, so they saw the Nordic ambush as a means to an end. Let the Nords die out which is a Win-Win for the Orsimer to conquer them afterward, let the Dwemer and Chimer turn their backs and blind themselves in their Pride of false victory; then jump from the shadows and decimate them all.
I really want a game in the Merethic or First Era. I want to see races/creatures that aren't around anymore or go to a location a main game hasn't been set in
Maybe after TES6. Just maybe...
@@jacrispy3275 That would be amazing. It would basically be like what New Vegas was to Fallout 3. A game to create more lore/expand on some of the obscure lore of the Elder Scrolls series. So much could be done with a Merethic Era game because it wouldn't have to abide by the rules that any of the other games do. There will always be mysteries in the Elder Scrolls universe, but what better way to create more mysteries than by demystifying some of the other ones? There is almost an infinite amount of possibilities for Elder Scrolls games. I'm sure if we request a Merethic Era game enough from Bethesda, they will deliver. I just hope there won't be any microtransactions
@@walrusmcgee - yeah. It'd be cool to play as a Chimer, Falmer, or Dwemer. It'd be cool if campaigns would vary depending on race. Like, if your an Atmoran, you assist Ysgramor in wiping out the elves. Or if you're a mer, you get to band together with the other races of mer, and help combat the Atmorans. Lots of possibilities.
@@jacrispy3275 I would want a game that takes place before the men and elves went to war. There was a time when the Nedes/Ayleids and Nords/Snow elves coexisted. Or maybe a game set during events unbeknownst to us occurred so we can have new lore. I really want to see Pyandonea, Thras, Esroniet, Akavir, Yokuda, or Atmora
@@jacrispy3275 A game set in Atmora would be amazing because they could literally write up books and books worth of new lore
Awesome as always!!
Could you do such a history series about Fallout too? Like going through the Fallout timeline. Maybe even starting way before the bombs fell.
I wonder if you could do a short summery of the dawn era
I wonder why we can't find snow elven ruins in Skyrim except for the vale
Since Nords and the Snow Elves were enemies, I would think the Nords utterly crushed them. Not to mention there is a Snow Elf statue, and some people think the College of Winterholds architecture is akin to snow elves
Thank you, perfect upload time - watching these videos makes having the flu at least a bit more acceptable :D
Same
@@DasMaggie oh no! blessings of the divines so you'll be fit again asap! :D
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Considering how long the elven lifespan is 200 to 300 years and could increase this with magic, the actual number of generations between creation and today is around 20.
This doesn't include Elhnofey descending into altmer either.
The Elves held dominance on Nirn for maybe a handful of generations at most.
Recorded history in Elder Scrolls is almost as long as real life recorded history which is around 5,000 years which is surprising as I someone with very limited knowledge of ES lore thought it would be much shorter because the length of the numbered eras seem pretty short before I knew about the mer era which makes it even longer which I crazy
It would be interesting to know why the Needs fled Atmora, could it have been because of a civil war or a natural disaster that caused many of them to flee?
3:20 when you see it
I’ve been waiting a long time for this video 😊
been waiting like from decades
Hit us with the Dawn Era; a confusing, ethereal knowledge of a subject certainly beats complete ignorance, especially when the topic is by it's very nature, confusing and ethereal.
How cool would it be to have a game set in this Era
Do a Dawn Era! Great job!
Can you make a video on how the daedra and Aedra were named. Both through Bethesda and lore
so heres a serious question and i hope you guys see it, but why doesnt technology seem to advance in the elder scrolls? in our world we advanced rather quickly in a few hundred years, but they havnt advanced at all in a few thousand????
'History is written by the Victors.' - Captain Price
I really really want an Elder Scrolls game set in the Merethic Era
I'm surprised you skipped the Dawn Era
The like to dislike ratio is crazy good
I mean how could you hate on elder scrolls lore?
Do a video on what happened to Mithril armor
Not even halfway through the video and im already lost lmao
I for one want to know more about the Dwemer. My theory as to the Dwemer is they come from the stars, not from Nirn. My reasoning is advanced tech so quick as thou that is the world they come from, however they do not have the manufacturing base to go further.
Imagine in Elder Scrolls 6 you can choose your heritage. For example, High Elf father and Redguard mother. Your appearance would change and your powers would be different.
I Deniz I wish you could like pick a religion or narrow down more specific things about your race.
@@baronofbahlingen9662 yeah
That's not how genetics work in Elder scrolls. You have the racial traits if your father, and the physical appearance of your mother.
@@noxflo897 I know what you mean but that is stupid, because look at Mankar Camoran
Respect to the FudgeMuppet from me
You should try to do a dawn era video. Anyone who watches these kinds of videos likely knows that not much is set in stone during the Dawn Era, but I think it would be better than to just watch the gods video. Maybe simply retell and compare and contrast all the different creation myths.
GOD WHY DOES THIS SERIES HAVE SO MUCH LORE!