Is this s90v? Two Sun Dynamo. A great knife design, possible steel issues.
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You take it back. I named by my second child Ganzo.
you’ll have to have Two Sons then
@@CedricAda ha!
You expend a lot of energy apologizing for making honest observations.
yeah, I’m aware these guys have some pretty dedicated fans and hoping to meet em at the crossroads.
that goddamned lapidary
You aren't the first person I have seen point out this brand and others flat out lying about their blade steel. They claim high end and are usually d2 or worse.
@@CedricAda just stab them with your soft knife it won't hurt much well not as much as the Spyderco Mule in S90V. PS still digging the rock he cool
While I would consider myself to be a TwoSun fan, I definitely want to know if they are not using what they say they are. I've tested a few so far and their D2 and M390 came up as real, based on the composition, but I know heat treat is a completely different ballgame. I've only used the D2 blades for hard use so far, and personally have been pretty satisfied with the edge retention. If you want to test a few more, please let me know, I have some in M390 and S90V you can put up against the ropes 😁
I wanna see bricky review Pete
I think bricky did that with the hat he got pete.
The s90v is very much real (it has been tested multiple times) but they royally screwed up the heat treatment when they first started producing knives in s90v
They fixed their heat treatment and got up to market standard since then
this would explain it
@@CedricAda what is the number on your thumb wheel? This model has always been numbered. They said the first 100, but then just kept going 🤣 I have number 485 and would be happy to send it to you if yours is a low number and want to test the theory.
@@hawaiiknifeandgear5531 yeah i got 330 and it's golden. I put a 18° per side mirror edge on it with my kme and it was without a doubt s90v.
I just bought #608. Hope they fixed the heat treat by then.
@@valvofolife
They fixed the heat treat after the first run of a 100 so your #608 should be fine
It’s just too bad that this whole heat treat thing keeps stikking to the TwoSun brand after all this time, other older more established brands screwed up heat treats much worse and for much longer and it doesn’t stick to them like it does with TwoSun (like zero tolerance screwing up heat treats for multiple years on multiple models and the heat treat plant in Maniago Italy that screwed up the heat treats for all the m390 blades made by all the brands in Maniago)
TwoSun actually listened to their customers and fixed the problem as soon as possible (it took zero tolerance 5 years and the Maniago plant 1 year)
TwoSun is actually currently making a knife in s110v (ts-261) and it’s exceeding market standard (there’s a UA-camr that did over 1600 cuts through twisted sisal twice)
You are spot on in pointing out the dependency in how easily it was to sharpen and re profile along with your tried and true rope cutting test so let's hope your knife is a one off.
Hm.. luvthemknives has done hardness tests on their steel and they test well. I'd be more interested in seeing you test their M390. Twosun has stopped using s90v in their newer models from what I've seen. Like Pete says, this is one of their older models.
Also for everyone saying heat treat is only an issue in China, plenty of sources have found poor heat treatment in Kershaws USA made m390 knives, Benchmades 3V had such poor heat treatment it basically killed their original bailout launch, lion steels m390 is also fairly soft in recent tests. These are only a few examples I remember reading about.
The take away is, be very wary spending money for "high end steels." AG Russell has excellent heat treatment on their 8cr13mov. If you haven't tried one of their knives, give em a go. Particularly AG Russell's designs.
Heat treat is the bread and butter of a knife....And honestly s90v isn't a difficult heat treat at all....can be manipulated but its usually a simple SOP.
And 3v is one that can get kinda tricky.I believe benchmade has figured her out..but yes them and ZT had had there issues that I am personally aware of and spyderco zdp-189 ...there was a horrible run of the delica I know green handle..
The TS Dynamo was tested HRC 59. Spyderco hardens their S90V to ~60-62HRC. This is a big difference, as the HRC scale is not linear.
Wow a chinese made product that underperformed?? Why that is completely unheard of. They make the BEST of EVERYTHING!! Didn't you get that memo from the CCP?
All joking aside I wouldn't touch made in china with a 39 and a half foot pole. Never Again. Freakin' overpriced Junk.
The last "stainless" knife I purchased from china rusted, while sitting in a drawer next to an American made carbon steel knife that was just fine.
Quit bullshitting people Xi!
We ALL know made-in-china is junk and a waste of money.
#BOYCOTTCHINA
And you can keep your freakin' virus while you are at it too.
Ya Prick
I have heard everybody predict m390 and 20cv to Kershaw offerings will be subpar, several of whom are actually hypothesizing on a wealth of knowledge and experience and not just hoping for disaster or vindication. How could something well priced, or reasonably in reality, not totally suck with careless heat treat? Surprise! Kershaw's M390 and 20CV has proven about the highest HRC amidst all of the others, where 59≤ is standard, and have always hit over 60 to 61+. So maybe do another evaluation. I couldn't be more happy
Ive owned probably 15 twosun knives so far and i love them, but my most recent is a little troubling. I just got a TS136 stingray about 2 weeks ago. I specifically bought the m390 version and its my first time using Twosuns "m390" and withing a week i was getting small spots of surface rust like i would get with their d2 models. After sharpening it and using it some im about 99% convinced its actually their d2 but labeled as m390. The rest of the knife is fantastic and perfectly executed, but im a bit annoyed that i paid extra for "m390" and i dont think thats what i got.
M390 isn't quite as stainless as other stainless steels. A better test is just to polish the hell out of it. M390 has finer carbides and will take a mirror finish, while D2 stays cloudy
I bought a Sybian to test my knives on, but the wife keeps hogging it 😢
test for blade play
its also good for testing rattle in new sheath designs
Now I see how the Leatherman Squirt got its name.
LTK Lee sent me his to test. I believe it tested at 58 hrc and did PMI as S90V. I observed the same things you did. The performance was poor for S90V, Lee's did about 35% of the total that Spyderco S90V did in my testing.
Tom Hosang Outdoors cut tested this model and also got disappointing result - something between CPM-154 and S35VN. In March 2020 he tested TS127 and got much better result, not spectacular but better than TS128
Peter, please follow this deeper, get another s90v twosun and let us know what you find.
agreed. I need more trials
The 4mm thick blade should tell you all u need honesty.Who could just distribute S90v out like that...without losing there ass off.jmo, and observer, who knows steel,and cost.....
I'll take this at face value and pass on the results
Could be a bad apple but honestly...doubt it...he doesn't have stock in criticizing a knife....plus ur getting decent results.just not s90v decent...
Other TS S90V has hit 59-60 generally, from the random samples I've seen tested, among the few models drawn from, nothing sub 59, luckily.
Interesting. I have this and one other S90V blade from TwoSun. A lot of their other steel types have tested to be what they claim (D2, 14C28N, M390) so I kinda doubt the steel claimed is incorrect, but it's VERY possible that the heat treat for that batch (or that steel) wasn't done well. Kinda interested myself, so I just ordered some 3/8" (close to 10mm) twisted sisal rope to put my two blades to the test.
Alrighty, I went through the cut test on my Dynamo. I got a little higher at ~300, but that might be right in line with the results from this video as mine is currently has a Worksharp 15 degree mirror edge sharpening on it rather than a KME 17 degree mirror.
Just noticed that mine is one of the first runs, numbered 409 located on the liner-side of the flipper tab, in case that information might be useful.
I'll reply again with my results from my other TwoSun with S90V (TS241). Gotta let feeling come back to my hand though, it's still a bit numb and tingly.
I too own twosun in m390, wonder what the result would be. Thank you for your effort
The Buck 110 has a BOS heat treat! Just sayin'! Thanks Pete and Uncle Randy!
Called it on ig. But yea I like the look. I like the look of a handful of twosun. The ones I bought I don't like to use but they could be good knives.... With some changes. Twosun do some steels very good. Like 14C28N. Tepe design actually got twosun to improve the m390 heat treatment at the beginning of 2020. So that's good too. He tried to get them to improve s90v but that didn't happen. At least 8 months ago. Anyone's guess if they improved it since then.
Great video Pete, always appreciate straight forward honesty. Thank you.😊👍
Que pequeño es el mundo profesor edc jaja, me voy a comprar una twosun ts 49 cuando este en rebaja, creo que su D2 es bueno
@@alexprendido2023 suele suceder Alex. TwoSun está haciendo muchas cosas bien.
Good job Pete in providing objective testing and observations! There really is no other conclusion.
I have a s90v twosun in a slip joint model and I've not had it tested but it takes absolutely forever to sharpen that thing on a course diamond Stone just to get a bur to come up
Let's put in this context: Back in 2016, CRKT - a multimillion dollar U.S. based knife company - put out a S30V exclusive with Knifecenter of their Hootenanny design. Not long after, complaints about the knife not exhibiting qualities that S30V should have were raised. Good back and Google it and look. You'll see a ton of coverage on this in BladeForums and the like. So someone eventually tested the knife steel and, lo and behold, it was NOT S30V steel. CRKT later admitted that it was, in fact, not S30V as well. Come to find out, CRKT just bought a ton of steel from a steel supplier that they trusted and... never tested it. Just ASSUMED it was good to go. Now... If a United States company that has to be beholden to U.S. laws was that lazy and uncaring... What do you expect from a Chinese company that you will NEVER get your money back from and you can NEVER sue? Frankly, I'm amazed this doesn't happen more often.
CRKT is an "American" company that makes nearly all of their knives in China, including that hootenanny. They trusted their suppliers/maker but did not verify. That's foolish in any country but particularly in China considering their business/legal culture. There are unscrupulous business people everywhere, but Chinese courts will always side with the Chinese factories if you need to sue them. Your QA/QC must be on point if you outsource your manufacturing there.
CRKT should have verified it. A similar thing happened with Spyderco years ago. The chinese factory said they were using 440c, and they found that it wasn't performing like 440c. Spyderco tested it and found it was in fact 8cr13mov, so they had the company change the blade markings. But CRKT is not Spyderco, and CRKT still makes mistakes and doesn't do anything about them (look at the XOC, a $750 knife, that has CTS HXP steel...yes, it is laser marked incorrectly and they never did anything about it!) Sure CRKT has some cool knife designs, but subpar quality and materials. I like my Caligo, and I got it cheap (before the prices went up) and at $30 its a decent knife. at $40 (i think thats what theyre at now?) don't even bother.
@@dm3639
"including that hootenanny."
The stock one with 8CR13MoV was. The S30V version was made in America, or at least assembled there.
Knifecenter page says China. And no one bothers to import 8cr so I'd have think it was made in China.
@@dm3639
...Can you not read? This was the S30V limited version. Not the original. The S30V versions were also recalled by CRKT.
Comments show the people who attach their egos to their possessions.
10 4 there's no explaining to some.He never said u have a piece of shit knife....you just do not have the American s90v that it says it is....hell still cut better than average its like probably s30v....might be a lemon but I'm seeing to many same problem...
I’ve yet to by a 2 🌞 but I’m glad you revealed a bit of shade if you will! Thanks Pete.
Went back and watched some Outpost 76 cut tests and the one thing I noticed was sometimes it took a ridiculous number of sharpenings to move past a burnt edge. In particular, look at the Super Freek in M4. I think it was 7 or more sharpening cycles before it performed in kind with other M4 blades. More often, 3-4 cycles finally evens out the performance. FWIW
Yeah brother I own a few of their S90V knives and have to wonder if they're able to get the blades heat treated properly to get the kind of performance and edge retention that S90V should have!
The designer of this piece is Tepe Designs and he is a true gem for knife community. He has a great passion for designing knives and he does a great Job! He has an instagram page and definitely deserves a follow.
Thank you for answering any questions I have without me having to ask. Great vid you have a new sub.
Great review as allways, perhaps you might be interested in the s90v by manly knives, which are also pretty cheap
Aloha lockbar.
Thanks for the review! New angles on the filming look good. Also nice to not hear Bricky running his mouth so much.
Hi, I like the way you do your comparisons, are you sure you have an original & not a knockoff, their are some variables to the equation, I have been purchasing Two Sun products & have some proto-types before they started to market them under the logo & have had no problems with any only preference of design, I really like the Sandvik steel for everyday use, I have only been buying from one supplier to date with good rapport, Two Sun folders & kitchen knifes & other products are great value for money, clean finish & quality materials on medium to higher end products on the market, I do not hesitate to reccomend Two Sun products, lots of different designers & new products always coming up, personal preference, at the end of the day I think a lot of people get into the stats & don't really use them, I'm a retired vet & a bushy & the best knife you can have is the sharpest knife in your hand at the time of use not collecting dust in a collection on a shelf, good conversation at the pub rattling of stats, I grew up happy to have any pocketknife & still remember my first one my father gave me & I lost it, a lttle 2 blader that I thought the world of, so much more is available nowadays, different horses for different courses, keep up the vids, stay well 🍻😊👍😎
Glad you noticed . Did two sun notice and ever get back to you ?
I’d love to see you follow up and get it tested!! Rockwell ect
I see what you did there 🤣. Two Sun is constantly solid on design and build quality, but every one I've owned was a thic boi in the blade.vMy S90V TS that I sent to Tom Hosang for testing came in at about 75% in terms of cardboard cut in comparison to known hardness/validated S90V.
I welcome my Brick Overlord. Kneel before Bricky.
Your's has easily become my favorite knife and gear UA-cam site and I value your opinion highly. Your monster friend is pure genius. I love your beautiful dogs.
Pete is entertaining and honest. Check out Outpost 76. He's excellent too.
Your awesome Pete , I love twoson , but if you say you got a lemon 🍋 I don't doubt you , and it can happen to any company , I got one from Spyderco and it just so happened it was in s90v but not a issue with the steel , but all the same I'm still gna roll the dice and still invest in these great companies, cause that's what happens to a consumer , you just don't know , but I'll say this a couple of lemons out of over 50 knives just on these 2 companies alone each , that's still good odds to me!!!
OCD-4-EDC cut tested Twosun TS127 with S90V in October 2019 and it tested great, in line with what is expected from S90V
I tested one earlier this year and it performed very poorly. In line with a previous S90V test from a different TwoSun and in line with what Pete found here
Doesn't need to be the real stuff, we'll just make it thicker!
(They'll never kno)
Hope you'll test some different twosuns . Own several including this one. There quality fit and finish is good. This is a little disappointing. We trust your testing, give us more. Thanks so much, Harry
You got that edge to a mirror it looked like . 👍👍
Let's test some more Twosun knives with S90V and M390 and withhold the drama until the dust settles.
I have been collecting since late 80s and honestly as long as you like and it well made then buy it...all the pro and con evens up at end
hi Pete can you do an edge retention test for Giant Mouse Ace Iona M390, thanks.
It's interesting to see that issue. I'm not going to complain about your quality of what you're doing could be a random mislabel, could be a lie, could be a bungled or intentionally super soft heat treat. Still interesting to see would like to see other S90V blades from them to see if this is consistent and then do some of the hrc/chemical analysis that might explain some stuff to see what the deal is. I've never really been into TS for their higher end stuff like s90 or M390 I just like the Titanium and 14C28N/D2 stuff that you can get for $50 and even if it was 8Cr I don't think I'm out much on that.
I've got to watch more of your videos, you're funnier than I gave you credit for 😄
Great job Pete. I like TwoSun knives a lot, but honestly I don't find this to be surprising at all.
Just ordered one of their knives in d2. That is the positive i have seen they sell most of their knives in multiple steels.
I've got a muller RAM With s90v have you tested them yet.:)
thanks so much for testing this!
Jesus! I almost choked on my breakfast at 10:48 - and you just kept talking like there was nothing out of the ordinary whatsoever flashed up on the screen where my wife and kids could see it... Fucking amazing.
The designers at Two Sun are no doubt in my mind straight Badass with their styles. I mean many of em look ahead of their time, though they feel and function good in the hand as if it was a part of the hand.
They have a ton of crap designs too though... That's the problem they have so many designs overall and they need to start focusing on discontinueing the crap models instead of constantly discontinueing some of their best work!
Can you review the proelia tx040? There's not many reviews on it
LTK has got a lot of twosun knives p.m.I. and h.r.c. and the steel checks out as the real thing. Maybe the edges are burnt. Either way thanks for testing a twosun I'd like to see more. They now have s110v and m390 among with 12c27 14c28 and d2.
P.s. I have some in m390 if you want to test that.
Hey, do you need a permit to import fixed blades or folding knives into Australia? Thanks
Maybe to shit out knives more cost effectively they stuck it in the same oven and gave it the same heat treatment process as all their other knives.
I think you meant "cheaper." Cost effective implies no loss in quality.
Bricky for President 2020
And 4 evah
I was afraid to hear this, but definitely not surprised. As always, thanks for investigating! Perhaps their models with budget steels are the way to go. The only one I’m aware of that they use is 14c28n
And is a decent steel...they messed u p first with it being 4mm thick even the most expensive s90c folder is half that normally..thats just a dead give away..
@@preppinainteasy9965 Yeah, that's a fair point
I like everything about this design except that the blade is way too close to the back side when it's closed. Easy to slide a finger along the blade in your pocket. Otherwise it's very fidgit friendly. I honestly haven't used it enough to see how the edge really holds up, but now you have me curious. Thanks for the review on this one.
Curious to see your thoughts on this...
@@music10095 honestly after watching this, I want to take mine to my friends shop and have him scan it with the XL PMI laser to check composition of the steel. I doubt it's in the library of that laser, but it will still give the full elemental breakdown. That doesn't tell me anything about the heat treat, but can at least verify that it's what they claim. Would kinda like to send him mine to test also since I don't have nearly the patience testing sisal rope cutting for that many cuts. His method is very methodical, so I would like to see how my exact same knife does in the same test. It is brand new in box since I just got a second one.
Hawaii Knife And Gear I can’t wait to hear what you find. Thank you for doing the research.
Died when you showed the last hardness machine lol
Thumbs up for Chin Ball Boy reference.
This is why I can't bring myself to pull the trigger on higher end steel examples of knives like these. I do not trust these manufacturers.
I have not had any problems with American knife companies. I have had more than a few issues with Chinese ones. I have a knife that is supposed to be D2 and I think it's not. Why they would pull that with D2 is beyond me.
@@NewZonaRides Alot of people can screw up a heat treat on D2 so results can go from good to horrible even though its a tool steel some still just f it up... Soon as I seen Almost 4mm thick on that little sucker was a dead give away. I've never had issue on any benchmade,or spyderco steels not being what they say..My maxamet para 2 took 3 sharpenings because someone over heated th blade while at the factory but that isn't a biggie..knowing how hard the steel is...And i have 2 s 90v benchmades,1 spyderco I can usually tell by just putting on a stone...besides they just keep on cuttin...benchmade did have a little 3v problem a while back but now there 3v is exceptional.....
We are the future paving stones of our brick overlords. All hail brickie. Please don't lay me brickie, I'll name names.
Ganzo is still going strong.
Thanks for sharing.. love you Bricky..
Luvthemknives here on UA-cam has done a lot of testing on twosun knives and I believe that every one that he tested was what they say it is. He also does HRC tests.
i definitely wouldn't put him on a list of reputable sources
The guys a walking commercial... of course it all was “legit”
Good news! Maybe a few more people will decide to quit buying Chinese made knives.
@@HappyWifeHappyKnife huh, why? As far as I know he's the only person doing those tests, if you can give a better source I'd love to hear them out
@@refinededge399 nah, plenty of great Chinese made knives that are way cheaper than American made stuff, definitely not stupid enough to call off buying something because of where it's made
you tested Spyderco Native 5 in S90V 2 years ago and it cut 278 times.. You never questioned if the steel was actually S90V then... Why is this any different? It cut 275 basically the same as Spyderco
Because (as I say in the video) I used entirely different sharpening methods. Thats why im comparing it to the mule. Same edge angle, finish, everthing. That spyderco native you are referring to was at a broader, less refined edge, using a powered worksharp belt system which applies a convex edge which testing has shown is a shorter lasting edge. I have stopped using the powered worksharp as people were suggesting (possibly accurately) that it burnt the edges too. The older worksharp 20° powered belt system convex edge tests can be compared to each other. All the tests since I’ve been doing 17° per side KME edge can be compared with each other.
@@CedricAda
I'm assuming a fixed blade Spyderco mule is going to be a a higher Rockwell hardness than any folding knife. I believe to resolve this you'll need to test a another folder in S90V. Benchmade mini freak, Spyderco Native 5, or any folder. This is the test I'd like to see
Hey Pete, great video!
Could you tell me what song is playing @ 15:45?
ua-cam.com/video/qF-BGHhEpk8/v-deo.html.
What is the hardest steel to sharpen for you?
generally the super hard, high complexity steels like Rex121 and maxamet take the most reps on my systems. Plus I never managed to get an edge back on the sandrin Tungsten Carbide knives I had
@@CedricAda The Sandrin knives are made from cheap, disposable carbide blades which they have repurposed to make knife blades out of. For reference - Stainley carbide utility blades are $8 for a pack of 5. Granted they are using a slightly large disposable blades, but they are still dirt cheap. The knife industry is ripe with get/stay rich schemes. When you start from old scammers like Spyderco and all the way down to newcomers like Sandrin.
Carbide is sharpened easy with diamond or silicone carbide grinding wheels and you can polish the edge by hand using 3000 diamond lapping disc/plate (you can order them from China, or Hong Kong, take about a month to arrive). The 3000 diamond will give you a shaving sharp edge. You can also strop it with diamond paste compound (the only way to sharpen ceramic knives).
Sybian made me spit my morning coffee out my nose 😂😂😂
Pete we all know that no Asian maker would ever lie about the steel in their knives. Of course not. You must have miscounted twice on camera.
I’m don’t buy these amazon or eBay/alibaba type knives, just because you can’t trust what you’re getting. Maybe it’s s90v, maybe it’s 440a. Maybe it’s D2, but the heat treat is garbage. Also a lot of them are straight up counterfeits or derivatives, which I don’t want to support. If microtech or Benchmade went out of business, the counterfeits would rise in price overnight, but you’re not getting the quality or warranty. I know Benchmade isn’t perfect, but if you complain enough I’ll bet you if you send the knife back they’ll send you another, it’s called a warranty that covers manufacturers defects. Two sun, on the other hand, I highly doubt would do the same for normal guys like me. For newer viewers to the channel, see Pete’s China episode.
I agree. Ganzo, etc, don't deserve your money. However I do support We/Civivi and I have an Artisan and it's a good knife. I even have a SBD Evo Typhoon preordered, made be Reate. But I refuse to buy something like a Benchmade counterfeit, or Spyderco, or ZT/Kershaw. Not only would I feel like a traitor, I would be getting a subpar knife, with absolutely no warranty support. If I break a Benchmade (of which I have a few!) or ZT/Kershaw, I send it in and they take care of me. Unfortunately Spyderco doesn't have a blade replacement program, but I still buy and use the knives because of the quality, different steels, and Sal is just an amazing human being. I also don't have to worry if I am getting the steel I paid for. These brands won't jeopardize their reputation trying to swap steels on you, and their heat treats are good to go usually. Even We and Reate are known to have good heat treats and quality materials. But all these other pop up chinese brands? No idea.
So thank you to Pete and all the other guys who do this testing and bring up issues. It makes for fun videos!
@David P. We/Civivi are definitely legit, Bestech had been around a bit as have Kizer, so I agree. There are just so many companies that have popped up lately that it's hard to tell whether they will be around for the long haul or not, and who knows about their heat treats. Time will tell!
@Bernd DasBrot and you talk from experience? Or just regurgitating things others have said because "benchmade is bad because liberals!" twosun obviously can't heat treat worth a damn, so I guess you know why they are so cheap...
@Bernd DasBrot if you've never tried one then you have no room to talk about how good a knife is or isn't. Whether it's worth the price or not is personal, but saying something as fact when you have no experience is disingenuous. So kindly keep your unfounded opinions to yourself.
@Bernd DasBrot lol luv the knives. They've misrepresented hrc numbers before. Benchmades are great, and their heat treats are fine. As I said, youre just regurgitating things others say. Until you actually use one, and I mean actually use it, not just cut some paper, you have no authority on the matter.
I was afraid that it wouldn’t perform well. That’s one of their first models that they used S90V on and they did have problems with it initially. But from what I’ve been told they changed their heat treating protocol and it’s supposed to be much much better now. Don’t give up on TwoSun mate. I promise, they are on a whole nother level from Ganzo. Not even comparable really. They really are a company to watch. They’re not going anywhere. Thanks for the review though. 👍🤘
I'm not buying it. Literally. Chinese manufacturing: Spec is for "Specious." Chinese marketing: Would I lie to you?
Damn, I just got a good deal on this knife for $66. Kind of a shame on the steel, regardless, I love the design! Good video
Still a good knife for that price!
Yes u still gonna get results of a quality steel...Just not S90v which isn't a bad thing just the aspects of them blatantly being dishonest..ive got most steels and I can damn near tell what it is by hitting my stones..just rhe give away for me was when he said almost 4mm thick on the spine...lol s90v is a little expensive to be tossing around like its D2 ,Prices.
Brian K. I agree!
Preppin Ain't EASY I agree, I’m still excited for it to arrive! :)
I was expecting MIB outtakes for the "ball chin" portion of this video. 😎
>insert Futurama shocked gif here
The shelf is eagerly waiting for those. Don't get attatched ;)
the sheeeeelf the sheeeelf
What's the track that plays during the repeat montage ? I dig it :D
Did Benchmade do their heat treating ?
LuvThemKnives tested this model. ua-cam.com/video/Qzg5RoTE9nI/v-deo.html Starts at 14.40
Wow I bought this knife off before D-Win on ebay stopped shipping to Australia. God I wonder if I have the fake one or the good one 0_0. Mine is a complete chore to sharpen. Takes ages. I always worried about TwoSun using TC4 jewellery grade titanium for knife scales. I trusted luvthemknives metal tests though. Its very sad that they may be just as shonkey as most other Chinese manufacturers. I am done buying their stuff its not worth the risk. Cedric has a science brain. I trust his methods and process.
I hear they reviewed heat treatments and you may have a newer one with a harder steel. This knife may be a little on the older side. If its hard to sharpen thats a positive sign the steel is hard.
@@CedricAda Thank you for the reply. On a side note D-Win has begun to ship to Australia again at some point. I am still super careful now with these sorts of companies. Once bitten twice shy.
I just bought a two son knife in s110v and after I had already bought it I found out its only 60 HRC. Pretty weak for s110v, it should be 63HRC. I'm pretty sure that's what spyderco claims on there s110v.
Great video thanks! Candor appreciated!
"... it's not quite a handful." I always said more 'n a handful's a waste. Am I right? Nudge, nudge. Know what I mean? Am I right?
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If we are talking about the size of our penises, I totally agree. We are talking about our penises, right?
@@zebulunstadler9902 no we don't lol
@@zebulunstadler9902 Sure, you could think of it that way if you like. I was actually making the double entendre about the knife handle & women's breasts.
I figured the added humour of a Monty Python sketch would play well for this. I guess if I need to explain, then the joke wasn't as funny as I thought. Oh well.
@@Imightberiding my apologies for watering down your joke with my penisy response. Too much bourbon last night!!! Cheers my man!
Well done
I see Brickie has been moonlighting doing voice overs for the new MS flight simulator game.
It's most likely CR13MOV steel stamped S90V...
It probably really is S90V...just heat treated very poorly. The heat treat is arguably the most important part of blade making, even more important than the steel it is made out of. Even just 2 HRC can make a huge difference, and properly treated S90V is difficult to machine. So, treat it soft, easier on equipment, and more profit is made. Or they manufacturer just doesn't care.
I've been watching TwoSun and the thing that's put me off is the stock thickness. They make slipjoints with 3.8mm stock, most of my fixed blades aren't that thick!
It really is a stupid trend. I'm guessing it started because a designer has more options of interestingly sculpting the blade in all three dimensions when it's ridiculously thick, which in turn will attract more attention and sales. Usability steps out of the spotlight in such an environment.
The top of their blades can be thick but most are thin behind the edge
Nice clip bro
Id still take this for 70$ rather than a 200$ Italy made m390 with 55hrc. :D every company has had their ups and downs with hrc at some point pretty much. I dont doubt it is s90v but I do doubt the heat treat. Would love to see it tested by ltk and see whats going on with it. If it proves it is not s90v, they are in for a hard time going forward.
Never forget:
"if it is too good to be true, it probably is"
@Bernd DasBrot
Doubt* 🤣🤣
@Bernd DasBrot 😆🤣
@Bernd DasBrot sure man 🤣
Thought you said "whatever", why are you still here?
Enjoy your 2sun or whatever and go on with your life... 🤭
@Bernd DasBrot not much, and you? Everything ok on your end?
@Bernd DasBrot cool...
Now you just have to stop wasting time here and then you will be good. Not that hard, give it a try.
Twosuns are good IMHO..there is a give and take in all things..well made..great looks..great price..new stunning designs always released not the same old average looking knife..for 50 to 75 bucks..spend money and get better...doubtful you can..unless you add another 50 or 100 bucks..my 2 cents..I'm not a knife nerd but I do like knives..at AFFORDABLE prices..
I guess we need to not only invest in edge re-profiling and mirror finishing the edge; now we’ve got to invest in sisal rope and start trial cutting. Or, quit expecting super steels from pop up companies.
Twosun had been making knives, one model with multiple steels, that could also be a 14c28n blade steel that is miss stamped. Maybe?
This was actually the first model they ever released with S90V steel (I remember the hype)and have never done a budget version of it. Could be possible for other models though, something to consider.
@@hawaiiknifeandgear5531 so could be an extremely poor heat treatment. Kind of disappointing then.
Aside the obvious lack of performance, S90V is pretty pricey stuff. This blade is thick enough to forge an axe, which is another red flag. My bet is this is the more economical S90Vb steel variant, where the b signifies butterknife.
Bricky might need to head off to anchor academy for an attitude adjustment.
That’s some high tech tester at 10:48? Is that from your personal collection?
Aahhhhhh!!! I just bought a twosun in "m390???"... i knew it was to good to be true.
Your desire to be fair and speak responsibly regarding the factors facilitating the poor performance and present a positive attitude all things considered is the template for this type of video.
So If I may,
C'mon TwoSun! Instead of advertising traditionally Cedric gets to announce your new propietary CPM alloy S90WTFV! HRC 60 (55-57ish +/-3) base alloy AISI420 plus WTFV (where's the freakin' vanadium). The key is the softness. Possibility of burr developing WHILE stropping! While supplies last.
Check out Luv Them Knives channel. He's noted for RC hardness testing, blade composition testing, and talking about the results to the factory. He's been through a case where Efengrau was using Crmov not D2. Turned out there was a mistake made at the factory. You're not wrong- this isn't S90v in all likelihood. Problem is, what to do about it? It shouldn't be a roll of the dice nowadays, but with some Asian knife companies , it is. LTK can steer you clear in some cases. 👍
Another hypo is the sample(s) they sent to LuvThemKnives is(are) with genuine advertised steel, on the other hand, the retail ones are not, then this case will totally ruin their reputation.
Luvthemknives never got send any knives from twosun, he always bought them with his own money
@@socialreject2156 Good to know that, then I guess his reviews/tests are trustworthy
Unfortunate that this was the result. I've only had two experiences with TS, and they've both been great, so it's a little unsettling to see yours underperform that drastically. I guess thats just the risk we take with these microbrands.
Not really if its labeled at S90v Then that is pure mistake representation,false everything someone who is pissed off enough ,and has a little money could own that company....
Probably S90V as LTK tested it. But small blade in a big oven for a steel they don't normally do... Crappy HT. Be nice to see how twosun's "mainstream" steels perform (14c, m390).
I love some Two Sun designs, but I find they can be hit and miss. I haven't handled many, however, so I can't speak from a ton of experience.
Might just be low hardness s90v. But I have no idea.