- Dying 500 times to Malenia Thrilling experience, thank you Miyazaki, GOAT of the Year 30 out of 10 - Dying 1 time to an invader WOW! Now THIS is over the line, PVP has to go!!
it's an entirely emotional and egotistical response. dying to another sentient human being ruins everything for them. it only supports the point that the average player feels powerful when playing ER in general and this breaks their experience when they are humbled, as they should be like in previous games.
Accurate on the first part, except I don't want pvp to disappear. I think for many people it's a really fun way to play the game. As someone who dislikes pvp I just want to say before elden ring I've never played a single souls game with any sort of multiplayer. I found it frustrating to experience invasions so I made the conscious decision to play offline rather than ranting it should be removed. Just because I don't like it doesn't mean it's a bad system, and I can always opt out so it's not an issue. Elden Ring was the first game I've played with a friend, and that is because of seamless co-op. That being said I absolutely adore watching pvp content. Some of my favorite UA-cam content of all time is soulsborne pvp I just dislike participating.
ER brought in mass appeal to what was inherently a niche series. its only natural yet sad that the big bad redman gets a bad wrap. the only mind boggling decision is that fromsoft has decided to pander against invaders while keeping the invasion mechanic in the game. like i cant tell whether miyazaki likes invaders or just has no clue what to do with that playerbase so he just keeps adding it haphazardly.
he wants to keep it because it's a very original idea that's been in the core of the series, but like everything else it has been used to dilute the identity of the game to go from "genuinely hard game with a learning curve that stomps on you for making mistakes" to "game that seems hard but is actually extremely easy and imbalanced to give the average normie the illusion of overcoming challenges and feeling like an epic radahn kevin with much less effort".
Not true, Dark Souls 3 sold 10 millions, you cannot call a game that sold 10 millions niche. "fromsoft has decided to pander against invaders" They are not doing that. He clearly likes invaders since he literally created that system and decided to keep it in Elden Ring
An invader is a skill check. So you think you're good? Prove it. Take me out. And you have lots of help. Invaders keep people humble and they don't like that. If you lose a 3v1 maybe you haven't actually been learning the mechanics. Bottom line: Git Gud.
@@ogirok13 You could say they had a higher baseline level of skill than the average Kevin, yeah, sure. They at least understand that swarming and never relenting just shuts invaders down with little recourse. Annoying, but that's Elden Rongium.
I got a bad impression of invaders at first, because a dude inflicted me with scarlet rot in Church of Elleh after I had just booted up the game and tested the summon system with a person I wanted to co-op with. Thing is, I never felt that way in DS3 and I actually enjoyed being invaded there. I even sat down there once and spent 3h invading people, just because it was so fun to PvP and I wanted pale tongues. So I realised it's not that I hate invasions and invaders, but I just hate how it was handled in ER. I don't like how the system is implemented at all, I don't like how disconnected PvP is from PvE, I don't like how unrewarding PvP is, I don't like the abhorrent matchmaking, I don't like porting the worse version of the DS3 invasion system into an open world game, but the idea of invasions is absolute fire and should never be removed.
Ye, Elden Ring has by far the worst invasion/PvP integration out of any of the souls games by far. It's really disappointing how much of a step back they took.
@@102ndsmirnov7 I mean, even if they copy-pasted it 1:1 from DS3, it would be better, but still bad. The L2 button is a plague of this game and the PvE constantly teaches and reinforces bad habits for PvP. Not to mention, DS3 is a very linear game and ER is an open world, so a dedicated player can grab all the optimal things from around the world and invade the lowest level bracket. Meanwhile, the host can summon their RL713 phantom (WHICH SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED. You shouldn't be able to summon anyone from a higher bracket, or, if you're at the edge of the bracket, there should be like a 20 level difference leeway, bc the cutoff for level brackets is extremely sharp and having to farm in order to summon a friend with 5 more levels would be stupid) and the whole experience is a shitshow. Hating the game feels bad, because there's so much potential for it to be extremely cool, but at the same time, that potential is absolutely wasted.
@@yvaskhmir Yep, Elden Ring in general and the DLC especially just feel like a massive set of missed opportunities. It just makes me sad. It's still an incredible game but it could've been SO MUCH better.
@@lharsay Besides inviting invaders in to have legendary glitch-backstab fights? I beg to differ. Not much was more satisfying than reverse parrying a backstep backstab attempt, only to completely swap to giant dad armor and chaos weapon to riposte, using "well what is it" after, and re-gear swapping to your original equipment. Maybe I should go outside more.
The truth is, they just don't like the idea of losing to a real player. Losing to morgott 30 times is thrilling to them. But losing one time to an invader is definitely unfair and should be removed from the series. This is how the casual skyrim fans that FromSoftware marketed to see the invasion mechanic. I honestly think it stings them so much to lose to a player because they know they have every advantage and should not be losing under any circumatances. They have to perform abysmally to lose. When this happens they don't feel like protagonist anymore. When it's just them and overlevel daddy, they bulldoze everything, so they are definitely good at the game, right? But when they lose to 1 red dude with 3 guys, it shatters the illusion. I can't know if I am really right about this. But what i do know is, there is a bonfire every 30 feet. They lose nothing by being beaten. I think it all boils down to it just not feeling good.
ER is my first soulslike and i personally dont see it that way lmao. It does baffle me a little tho because im not a huge fan of the multiplayer elements but instead of abusing it to "get back at invaders" i just..dont use multiplayer when i dont want to? Like it actually makes so little sense why people hate invaders. Its not like your save file gets deleted when an invader kills you, you just get sent back like 2 mins at most lmao
I would say it's because the boss doesn't throw poop at you when you lose, instead an invader is always going to be as toxic as possible when he wins because people want to enjoy victory as much as possible, so it's not the same thing being defeated by a boss who is a machine as by a person who is being toxic when winning and that's why invaders have reasons to be hated by the community and that's why bosses and PVE enemies are not hated because they are not toxic when they win like 90% of the invaders
I don't think you've ever invaded, man. If you had, you'd know that PVE players are the most toxic dirtbag individuals in this community. They cannot resist the urge to flex after they beat an invader with 3 dudes on easy mode. They are started it, tbh. They also started the overlevel phantom with endgame gear thing too, which is why invaders use endgame gear at all levels justifiably.
What people dont understand is that duels are kinda fun, but invading is where is at , you never know whats gonna happen , gravity deads are hilarious , people doing dumb stuff including invader ,sometimes makes you laugh for hours . The satisfaction of winning your first invasition against 3 players is incredible and is not something easy to do , you gotta outsmart split and beat 3 diferent people in order to get shitty rewards and even like that is fun. People that sees invaders like a oest is because they either never tried it , or they try and never won 1 game ever. Pratice a lot start winning and then come back an say we are a pest .
Yeah, as much shit as that game gets I have way more fun in that game. I like all the unintended tech like backstab escapes/toggle escapes/counter backstabs etc... I get why most people don't like it but at the same time I feel like the people that shit on it the most just don't know how to play it so they get backstabbed repeatedly lol
steel engages with them for content but for regular folks the best counter to TT griefers is to simply waste their time. And the fact that that’s the case is pretty damn sad.
Honestly i doubt it would be good in elden ring considering how many weapons have WAAAAYYY more lunge then ds3 weapons. Look at greatswords, one of the best weapon classes in ds3, but because their moveset wasnt updated for elden ring, they sucked before receiving like 10 buffs.
I remember trying to invade for the first time on Elden Ring for the Mohg quest and it was a taunter host at the crab shack. I didn’t really know the rules of invading so I assumed that I was supposed to be respectful like in duels only to get obliterated and teabagged. Mind you this was the first week the game came out and my first online experience was toxicity out the gate. I didn’t want to play online anymore after that, deeming it a waste of time and seeing how people are actively griefing invaders, I suppose that first week helped me dodge a bullet. Maybe next game.
@@greenpinapple820 pve players aren’t trying to have fun they’re trying to beat the game without engaging with it. It’s the equivalent of playing halo on legendary with your little brother and you’re doing all the work and keeping him as a spawn anchor. It’s pathetic loser behavior.
@@couriersix7504 you're being disingenuous with that weird assumption. its almost as bad as how alot of pve'ers have these bad generalizations about invaders. it might be hard to wrap your head around this but people dont ALWAYS summon because they need help. its simply fun to play with friends cuz you know..the social aspect of it.
Honestly 1 is usually just a friend who’s starting out 2 is for a dude who doesn’t understand why he’s dying because he doesn’t roll at all and wants to 2 dudes to play the game for him
Elden Rings my first Souls game, so Idk what the opinion of invaders was like in previous entries, but I have around 2000 hours in Er Co-op now so I like to think my opinion has some substance behind it at least :p I think a lot of the hate from Invaders stems from the core issues invaders face. I'll bullet point it down since my brains tired - People dont like invaders because 3v1s are so inherantly unfair that it forces invaders into tactics like constantly running away into the next group of enemies. - this can go on for ages, or in certain areas just running constantly back and forth. - this is incredablly unfun for the chasers perspective (doesnt sound fun for invaders too). - But hosts are going to keep summoning 2 co-operators because 2 is better than 1 right? right!? - Just cooping with a single cooper is a lot more fun and the invasions feel way more healthy and engaging with fun back and forth fights. The host is usually in-experienced, while the cooper has a hybrid pve/pvp build but also half flasks like the invader, but the flasks also need to carry him through the rest of the level and bosses and other invaders too. - From my perspective this seems more fair and balanced and fun for all parties but would like to hear from invaders perspective on 2v1s on normals hosts (not gankers). - I think easist solution would remove 3 player co-op, or put more of a penalty for 3 man team coops or a insentive for 2man teams. - Dream solution would be to allow a second invader for 3 man teams as a 3v2 sounds fun af on a legit co-op team. 2 coopers having to defend a dumb host lol Would love to hear the badredmen perspective, but I do really want to enjoy co-oping again, but From really hate multiplayer.
I like your allegiance with OnlyWaifu as of late. Both very great elden ring content creators! Keep up the good work, you, chasethebro and OnlyWaifu are top tier.
The dude at 17:28 has to have a mental disability, doesnt coop, summon neither invades or duel but is talking about what the rest of us can and cannot do in the game what causes people to comment on something they will never interact in any meaningful way in their life?
This sounds like a get good problem for invaders imo. You wanna play pvp, you get whatever randomness you get. Just because some rooks ganked a good player, this thing is toxic and needs to be removed? Yet you dont care when you invade people while they are in a bad spot or fighting npc enemies, and you catch them completely off guard using the same disadvantages you had against you while invading that "gank" team..... and what kinda scrub who invades people is hoping for a 2 invader to help in the first place...
I've been thinking there has to be a way to make a mod that would essentially run through matchmaking and opt out of anyone using a taunters tongue to invade there has to be a separate set of code the game uses when someone uses it right? Or am just completely overthinking it, thoughts? I know this concept could be possible because I've played other games that have mods available to them that would enable a more reasonable matchmaking like for "example" monster hunter rise has awful matchmaking and I use a mod called "better matchmaking " because the way it's designed is trash and locked to only local regions.
I hate getting ganked but enjoy PVP in the open world. My solution is to host, use TT and 1v1 an invader when they come in. IF they run away and don't engage I use hunters because i can't kick the invader out for not engaging without completing a marathon.
I've actually had similar experience to that hearted comment. I was not as discouraged about it, only started to invade after about 50% of the game story, too.
IF elden ring add Indictment system and avoid host resummon their phantom, then it is good if they decided to keep the turn on turn off taunter tongue system.
I have a small youtube channel and I actually rely on the Taunter's Tongue for my content, because I host invasions and do things like disguise trolling. Though I understand the criticisms it will pretty much kill my content if the tongue gets removed since waiting 30 minutes for invaders would make hosting not feasible :'(. But at least I have a backlog of content recorded so if it gets removed I could still last a year or so.
Invaders griefing is how I played Demon Souls. Broken Scraping Spear, Acid Cloud, and never actually killing the people I invade. Break all their stuff, then run off into the enemies and taunt them. That's griefing. Not going into a 1v2 or 1v3 willingly. To borrow a word from Steel...Kurwa.
Be honest. You are a professional video game player that wants to run around showing how you can crush people for UA-cam content. Taunter’s Tongue is making it harder for you to produce content.
Guys I'm really confused about all this. If the gankers steel was fighting had left the taunters tongue off, then steel invaded them while they weren't in an invasion cool down, wouldn't all of their advantages be the same? No enemies, enclosed room with no escape, and max level password phantom? Steel wouldn't have had the possibility of getting help in that scenario either. Is the idea behind the taunters tongue fix only being toggleable at a grace that if gankers still wanted the insane numbers advantage, they'd have to deal with the invasion cooldown? And they'd hopefully get bored and stop ganking? Is there any guarantee of that? I just don't think changing the tongue is the answer we are looking for. We know it's 6 player limit, but i think we are just grasping at straws at this point.
If I were a ganker I’d be really unhappy with this system too. The gankers purpose is to use every possible advantage they can against you. That is how it’s supposed to be. But elden ring gives them too much. A ganker who follows their calling and uses every possible advantage will win about 9 times out of 10 (if not more) against even the best invader with an optimal setup. Loosing will just come down to bad luck. That has to be disappointing from the gankers perspective too. I mean that’s why we have almost no skilled gankers. There is 0 challenge for them.
Just imagine three Kevin’s who figured out that endure into dragons breath is possible. How would you be able to beat them in a location with limited area and no cover? Basically impossible unless they kill themselves by stupidity
I do disagree with the use of CE for certain items for example Dumpling, having to farm materials do reduce invasion rate, but having everything in you arsenal doesn't make you equal to 2 angry man ganking in small space.
Bruh they just need to patch out griefing methods and stop limiting rare items which pushes people to cheat. Boom fixed Oh and make the colloseum work with game mode priorities like smash bros. Boom fixed v2
I think that they are making a new game where they gonna have all these things fixed and will bring back the DS3 pvp player amount or even more. That’s the reason I think they haven’t fixed these problems in Elden Ring even tho they have had so many patches🤘🏼 Sad? Yess
That last comment did come from a interview but they didn't get what he said fully correct it was basicly "it's not in the invaders advantage, the invader is ment to be a stronger smarter enemy"
The best move I ever made was using CE for items. I have a life outside of the game lol. I have to go to work and I want to hang with my friends not farm for consumables on a game I like. It’s not that deep 😂
in the end its sad and funny that people take this shit sooo seriously and attack each other personally. souls online discourse stinks, older dirk sols CCs probably being only one staying sane i guess
because they're scrubs, most weapons that are good in pve are horrible in pvp and vice versa, it allows for so much more build variety that it is one of the main reasons why fromsoft games are so replayable I can't imagine having more than 1000 hours in the game with pve alone unless you like speedrunning or something similar, I've played pve so much that I can't even get through limgrave anymore out of boredom
Miyazaki is hard supporter of subjective idealism and his projects attracts people who only accept subjective idealism. And dont see anyone in this world but themself.
i don’t get how one can hate invaders, when i’m summoned to a regular player it’s fun to try to turn it into a civil 1v1. when it comes to ganks i like to try to make it peaceful (which rarely works).
It depends on what kind of invader we're speaking of. Due to PvP been far more layered towards host's side and the nature of open world as a whole (easy to get a broken build without leveling even once), it almost incentives invaders to be extremely well prepared in terms of gear as possible. So imagine a newcomer being greeted by a twink with antspur, sleep pots and an almost never ending fp regen from duped starlight shards. It would certainly spoil the idea of invasion system for them.
Invaders these days have no excuses with all these crutches they have now (endpurr and waves of trashiness) Back in my day on release we had real challenges vs gank squads! (infinite stamina crutch 💪)
everyone is a crybaby, from PvErs complaining about invaders to PvPers complaining about PvErs complaining about invaders to PvErs complaining about PvPers complaining about PvErs complaing about PvP to PvErs complaining about other PvErs
Yes, this is fine when it happens organically with 3 dudes trying to actually progress. The issue is when weak players decide to cheese by standing somewhere with no PVE with no intention of playing the game. Only to cheese invaders.
Any problems you have with invading can easily be solved by not invading. Go to the arena for far and balanced pvp or stop crying. If From wanted their game to be different it would. They obviously want invaders to be at a disadvantage because that's what you deserve.
- Dying 500 times to Malenia
Thrilling experience, thank you Miyazaki, GOAT of the Year 30 out of 10
- Dying 1 time to an invader
WOW! Now THIS is over the line, PVP has to go!!
it's an entirely emotional and egotistical response. dying to another sentient human being ruins everything for them. it only supports the point that the average player feels powerful when playing ER in general and this breaks their experience when they are humbled, as they should be like in previous games.
Anti social freaks not being able to comprehend the fact that some human beings are better than them at a certain thing
@@BM-pt6sy well said haha
And not even all invaders are players- some are bots!
Accurate on the first part, except I don't want pvp to disappear. I think for many people it's a really fun way to play the game. As someone who dislikes pvp I just want to say before elden ring I've never played a single souls game with any sort of multiplayer. I found it frustrating to experience invasions so I made the conscious decision to play offline rather than ranting it should be removed. Just because I don't like it doesn't mean it's a bad system, and I can always opt out so it's not an issue. Elden Ring was the first game I've played with a friend, and that is because of seamless co-op. That being said I absolutely adore watching pvp content. Some of my favorite UA-cam content of all time is soulsborne pvp I just dislike participating.
PvErs when PvP against AI NPC: Now this is epic.
PvErs when PvP against human player: *long reddit post*
Its because they cant just mash bloodhounds finesse and win
ER brought in mass appeal to what was inherently a niche series. its only natural yet sad that the big bad redman gets a bad wrap. the only mind boggling decision is that fromsoft has decided to pander against invaders while keeping the invasion mechanic in the game. like i cant tell whether miyazaki likes invaders or just has no clue what to do with that playerbase so he just keeps adding it haphazardly.
he wants to keep it because it's a very original idea that's been in the core of the series, but like everything else it has been used to dilute the identity of the game to go from "genuinely hard game with a learning curve that stomps on you for making mistakes" to "game that seems hard but is actually extremely easy and imbalanced to give the average normie the illusion of overcoming challenges and feeling like an epic radahn kevin with much less effort".
Not true, Dark Souls 3 sold 10 millions, you cannot call a game that sold 10 millions niche.
"fromsoft has decided to pander against invaders" They are not doing that.
He clearly likes invaders since he literally created that system and decided to keep it in Elden Ring
@@ni9274 you're right. it had been getting more and more accessible since 3. my point still stands though
Maybe, this is part of his dumbass philosophy that never worked.
An invader is a skill check. So you think you're good? Prove it. Take me out. And you have lots of help. Invaders keep people humble and they don't like that. If you lose a 3v1 maybe you haven't actually been learning the mechanics. Bottom line: Git Gud.
So you want to say, that those gankers were skilled because they killed steelovsky 20 times?
@@ogirok13 You could say they had a higher baseline level of skill than the average Kevin, yeah, sure. They at least understand that swarming and never relenting just shuts invaders down with little recourse. Annoying, but that's Elden Rongium.
Red man bad
We didn't gatekeep hard enough
Yep
CASULS EVERYWHERE
@@junoglrr9119 gatekeeping harder woupd have prevented that
@@zwidowca1 yes i am on your side
I got a bad impression of invaders at first, because a dude inflicted me with scarlet rot in Church of Elleh after I had just booted up the game and tested the summon system with a person I wanted to co-op with.
Thing is, I never felt that way in DS3 and I actually enjoyed being invaded there. I even sat down there once and spent 3h invading people, just because it was so fun to PvP and I wanted pale tongues.
So I realised it's not that I hate invasions and invaders, but I just hate how it was handled in ER.
I don't like how the system is implemented at all, I don't like how disconnected PvP is from PvE, I don't like how unrewarding PvP is, I don't like the abhorrent matchmaking, I don't like porting the worse version of the DS3 invasion system into an open world game, but the idea of invasions is absolute fire and should never be removed.
Enlightened opinion, go off
I think you're onto something there
Ye, Elden Ring has by far the worst invasion/PvP integration out of any of the souls games by far. It's really disappointing how much of a step back they took.
@@102ndsmirnov7 I mean, even if they copy-pasted it 1:1 from DS3, it would be better, but still bad. The L2 button is a plague of this game and the PvE constantly teaches and reinforces bad habits for PvP. Not to mention, DS3 is a very linear game and ER is an open world, so a dedicated player can grab all the optimal things from around the world and invade the lowest level bracket. Meanwhile, the host can summon their RL713 phantom (WHICH SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED. You shouldn't be able to summon anyone from a higher bracket, or, if you're at the edge of the bracket, there should be like a 20 level difference leeway, bc the cutoff for level brackets is extremely sharp and having to farm in order to summon a friend with 5 more levels would be stupid) and the whole experience is a shitshow. Hating the game feels bad, because there's so much potential for it to be extremely cool, but at the same time, that potential is absolutely wasted.
@@yvaskhmir Yep, Elden Ring in general and the DLC especially just feel like a massive set of missed opportunities. It just makes me sad. It's still an incredible game but it could've been SO MUCH better.
Great Runes it's a wasted mechanic in Elden ring, for example in DS1 you could be invaded if you use Humanity even if you are not playing coop.
For real first off make invaders able to have rune arc active in invasions, and make great runes allow you to be invaded solo
The only two uses of the human form were co-op and enabling bonfire upgrades tho
@@lharsay Sweet summer child
@@MrFox-lg1uo I mean if you went to NG+ you just played through to whole game in hollow form, there was no reason to turn human
@@lharsay Besides inviting invaders in to have legendary glitch-backstab fights? I beg to differ. Not much was more satisfying than reverse parrying a backstep backstab attempt, only to completely swap to giant dad armor and chaos weapon to riposte, using "well what is it" after, and re-gear swapping to your original equipment.
Maybe I should go outside more.
The truth is, they just don't like the idea of losing to a real player.
Losing to morgott 30 times is thrilling to them. But losing one time to an invader is definitely unfair and should be removed from the series.
This is how the casual skyrim fans that FromSoftware marketed to see the invasion mechanic.
I honestly think it stings them so much to lose to a player because they know they have every advantage and should not be losing under any circumatances. They have to perform abysmally to lose.
When this happens they don't feel like protagonist anymore. When it's just them and overlevel daddy, they bulldoze everything, so they are definitely good at the game, right? But when they lose to 1 red dude with 3 guys, it shatters the illusion.
I can't know if I am really right about this. But what i do know is, there is a bonfire every 30 feet. They lose nothing by being beaten. I think it all boils down to it just not feeling good.
ER is my first soulslike and i personally dont see it that way lmao.
It does baffle me a little tho because im not a huge fan of the multiplayer elements but instead of abusing it to "get back at invaders" i just..dont use multiplayer when i dont want to? Like it actually makes so little sense why people hate invaders. Its not like your save file gets deleted when an invader kills you, you just get sent back like 2 mins at most lmao
You're probably right tbh
I would say it's because the boss doesn't throw poop at you when you lose, instead an invader is always going to be as toxic as possible when he wins because people want to enjoy victory as much as possible, so it's not the same thing being defeated by a boss who is a machine as by a person who is being toxic when winning and that's why invaders have reasons to be hated by the community and that's why bosses and PVE enemies are not hated because they are not toxic when they win like 90% of the invaders
I don't think you've ever invaded, man. If you had, you'd know that PVE players are the most toxic dirtbag individuals in this community. They cannot resist the urge to flex after they beat an invader with 3 dudes on easy mode.
They are started it, tbh. They also started the overlevel phantom with endgame gear thing too, which is why invaders use endgame gear at all levels justifiably.
It's unironically this, so much.
What people dont understand is that duels are kinda fun, but invading is where is at , you never know whats gonna happen , gravity deads are hilarious , people doing dumb stuff including invader ,sometimes makes you laugh for hours .
The satisfaction of winning your first invasition against 3 players is incredible and is not something easy to do , you gotta outsmart split and beat 3 diferent people in order to get shitty rewards and even like that is fun.
People that sees invaders like a oest is because they either never tried it , or they try and never won 1 game ever.
Pratice a lot start winning and then come back an say we are a pest .
the problem with elden ring PvP is its not dark souls 1 PvP
True and real
DS2 PvP*
@@WeeabooPocky Sekiro PVP*
Yeah, as much shit as that game gets I have way more fun in that game. I like all the unintended tech like backstab escapes/toggle escapes/counter backstabs etc... I get why most people don't like it but at the same time I feel like the people that shit on it the most just don't know how to play it so they get backstabbed repeatedly lol
This is unironicly true
steel engages with them for content but for regular folks the best counter to TT griefers is to simply waste their time. And the fact that that’s the case is pretty damn sad.
Dark souls 3 will remain relevant for as long as Elden ring has:
-An inarguably worse online system
-No Winged Knight Twinaxe moveset
they're really gonna put (death) knight twin axes in the dlc and not give it the winged moveset. unbelievable
Oh I can't wait for it's return in a souls game or two but with a usable weapon art
Honestly i doubt it would be good in elden ring considering how many weapons have WAAAAYYY more lunge then ds3 weapons. Look at greatswords, one of the best weapon classes in ds3, but because their moveset wasnt updated for elden ring, they sucked before receiving like 10 buffs.
@@ethanbradberry5224 i hear ya, if it was copy-pasted over and given a root-motion buff similar to the one that daggers got I bet it'd go wild
I remember trying to invade for the first time on Elden Ring for the Mohg quest and it was a taunter host at the crab shack.
I didn’t really know the rules of invading so I assumed that I was supposed to be respectful like in duels only to get obliterated and teabagged. Mind you this was the first week the game came out and my first online experience was toxicity out the gate.
I didn’t want to play online anymore after that, deeming it a waste of time and seeing how people are actively griefing invaders, I suppose that first week helped me dodge a bullet.
Maybe next game.
ChaseTheBro is Steelovkey's father.
Waifus editing is so obnoxious holy
Waifu figured out a hack to the algo and ran with it. Can't really blame them. Its been working.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Petition to call Steel from now on Steve of Sky.
Non-consensual PvP lmfao
"WHAT DO YOU MEAN TURNING ON MULTIPLAYER LETS PLAYERS INVADE ME"
the one guy in chat lmao
Why does it take 3 people to play through a level? I have a hard time justifying summoning one player let alone two.
As a pver... it doesn't take 3 people, but it's about fun, not what is absolutely necessary for beating the level.
@@greenpinapple820 pve players aren’t trying to have fun they’re trying to beat the game without engaging with it. It’s the equivalent of playing halo on legendary with your little brother and you’re doing all the work and keeping him as a spawn anchor. It’s pathetic loser behavior.
@@couriersix7504 you're being disingenuous with that weird assumption. its almost as bad as how alot of pve'ers have these bad generalizations about invaders. it might be hard to wrap your head around this but people dont ALWAYS summon because they need help. its simply fun to play with friends cuz you know..the social aspect of it.
Honestly 1 is usually just a friend who’s starting out
2 is for a dude who doesn’t understand why he’s dying because he doesn’t roll at all and wants to 2 dudes to play the game for him
@@Shad0wmoses imagine trying to ignore the fact that many people just have others play for them sad
Next patch will be fixed, get the copium tanks.
Elden Rings my first Souls game, so Idk what the opinion of invaders was like in previous entries, but I have around 2000 hours in Er Co-op now so I like to think my opinion has some substance behind it at least :p I think a lot of the hate from Invaders stems from the core issues invaders face. I'll bullet point it down since my brains tired
- People dont like invaders because 3v1s are so inherantly unfair that it forces invaders into tactics like constantly running away into the next group of enemies.
- this can go on for ages, or in certain areas just running constantly back and forth.
- this is incredablly unfun for the chasers perspective (doesnt sound fun for invaders too).
- But hosts are going to keep summoning 2 co-operators because 2 is better than 1 right? right!?
- Just cooping with a single cooper is a lot more fun and the invasions feel way more healthy and engaging with fun back and forth fights. The host is usually in-experienced, while the cooper has a hybrid pve/pvp build but also half flasks like the invader, but the flasks also need to carry him through the rest of the level and bosses and other invaders too.
- From my perspective this seems more fair and balanced and fun for all parties but would like to hear from invaders perspective on 2v1s on normals hosts (not gankers).
- I think easist solution would remove 3 player co-op, or put more of a penalty for 3 man team coops or a insentive for 2man teams.
- Dream solution would be to allow a second invader for 3 man teams as a 3v2 sounds fun af on a legit co-op team. 2 coopers having to defend a dumb host lol
Would love to hear the badredmen perspective, but I do really want to enjoy co-oping again, but From really hate multiplayer.
ALL THOSE COMMENTS ARE FROM PEOPLE THAT NEVER INVADED IN THEIR LIFE.
its all casul host gankers :/
I like your allegiance with OnlyWaifu as of late. Both very great elden ring content creators! Keep up the good work, you, chasethebro and OnlyWaifu are top tier.
The dude at 17:28 has to have a mental disability, doesnt coop, summon neither invades or duel but is talking about what the rest of us can and cannot do in the game
what causes people to comment on something they will never interact in any meaningful way in their life?
Wifi annoys me fr, idk why...
This sounds like a get good problem for invaders imo. You wanna play pvp, you get whatever randomness you get. Just because some rooks ganked a good player, this thing is toxic and needs to be removed? Yet you dont care when you invade people while they are in a bad spot or fighting npc enemies, and you catch them completely off guard using the same disadvantages you had against you while invading that "gank" team..... and what kinda scrub who invades people is hoping for a 2 invader to help in the first place...
I've been thinking there has to be a way to make a mod that would essentially run through matchmaking and opt out of anyone using a taunters tongue to invade there has to be a separate set of code the game uses when someone uses it right? Or am just completely overthinking it, thoughts? I know this concept could be possible because I've played other games that have mods available to them that would enable a more reasonable matchmaking like for "example" monster hunter rise has awful matchmaking and I use a mod called "better matchmaking " because the way it's designed is trash and locked to only local regions.
I hate getting ganked but enjoy PVP in the open world. My solution is to host, use TT and 1v1 an invader when they come in. IF they run away and don't engage I use hunters because i can't kick the invader out for not engaging without completing a marathon.
I love the fact that just yesterday a player called OnlyWifu was doing the exact same thing to my invasions 😂
I've actually had similar experience to that hearted comment. I was not as discouraged about it, only started to invade after about 50% of the game story, too.
The macalania woods theme from ffx is in this video.. I love that composition.
IF elden ring add Indictment system and avoid host resummon their phantom, then it is good if they decided to keep the turn on turn off taunter tongue system.
they should have always just had the TT be an item that once used cant be deactivated till the host dies
Es genial ver a un hispano llevarse tan bien con un Polaco o alguien fuera de latinoamerica :3
You can smell the Reddit accounts and Kotaku subscriptions on those comments.
I have a small youtube channel and I actually rely on the Taunter's Tongue for my content, because I host invasions and do things like disguise trolling. Though I understand the criticisms it will pretty much kill my content if the tongue gets removed since waiting 30 minutes for invaders would make hosting not feasible :'(. But at least I have a backlog of content recorded so if it gets removed I could still last a year or so.
Invaders griefing is how I played Demon Souls. Broken Scraping Spear, Acid Cloud, and never actually killing the people I invade. Break all their stuff, then run off into the enemies and taunt them.
That's griefing. Not going into a 1v2 or 1v3 willingly. To borrow a word from Steel...Kurwa.
Invasors just need blue (or purple) partners like the host. We just want Dark Souls 3 system.
Be honest. You are a professional video game player that wants to run around showing how you can crush people for UA-cam content. Taunter’s Tongue is making it harder for you to produce content.
I love how Steel supports his favorite femboy ❤
Guys I'm really confused about all this. If the gankers steel was fighting had left the taunters tongue off, then steel invaded them while they weren't in an invasion cool down, wouldn't all of their advantages be the same? No enemies, enclosed room with no escape, and max level password phantom? Steel wouldn't have had the possibility of getting help in that scenario either. Is the idea behind the taunters tongue fix only being toggleable at a grace that if gankers still wanted the insane numbers advantage, they'd have to deal with the invasion cooldown? And they'd hopefully get bored and stop ganking? Is there any guarantee of that? I just don't think changing the tongue is the answer we are looking for. We know it's 6 player limit, but i think we are just grasping at straws at this point.
If I were a ganker I’d be really unhappy with this system too.
The gankers purpose is to use every possible advantage they can against you. That is how it’s supposed to be.
But elden ring gives them too much.
A ganker who follows their calling and uses every possible advantage will win about 9 times out of 10 (if not more) against even the best invader with an optimal setup. Loosing will just come down to bad luck.
That has to be disappointing from the gankers perspective too.
I mean that’s why we have almost no skilled gankers. There is 0 challenge for them.
Just imagine three Kevin’s who figured out that endure into dragons breath is possible.
How would you be able to beat them in a location with limited area and no cover?
Basically impossible unless they kill themselves by stupidity
I do disagree with the use of CE for certain items for example Dumpling, having to farm materials do reduce invasion rate, but having everything in you arsenal doesn't make you equal to 2 angry man ganking in small space.
Bruh they just need to patch out griefing methods and stop limiting rare items which pushes people to cheat. Boom fixed
Oh and make the colloseum work with game mode priorities like smash bros. Boom fixed v2
I think that they are making a new game where they gonna have all these things fixed and will bring back the DS3 pvp player amount or even more. That’s the reason I think they haven’t fixed these problems in Elden Ring even tho they have had so many patches🤘🏼 Sad? Yess
I hate pvers and ganks
what did exactly pve players do to you?
That last comment did come from a interview but they didn't get what he said fully correct it was basicly "it's not in the invaders advantage, the invader is ment to be a stronger smarter enemy"
The best move I ever made was using CE for items. I have a life outside of the game lol. I have to go to work and I want to hang with my friends not farm for consumables on a game I like. It’s not that deep 😂
in the end its sad and funny that people take this shit sooo seriously and attack each other personally.
souls online discourse stinks, older dirk sols CCs probably being only one staying sane i guess
Ive never lost interest in a souls pvp faster. i have maybe 200 hours in ds3 pvp and cannot bring myself to pvp in elden ring because of shitter hosts
Embrace taunters twink snub yourself for invaders, 2 talisman slots, low flask amount fun duels 😊
Just go with Seamless coop for you to have complete flasks and able to do basically anything.
Because a lot of ppl only play pve. They miss a lot of the game this way.
This made me lose hope in elden rong community
Apparent lack of ballz from random hosts
WiFi 😂🤣
We do a little trolling ngl
10:09 Totally agree
It's a pve game!!
only wi-fi
how can people not like pvp😭
because they're scrubs, most weapons that are good in pve are horrible in pvp and vice versa, it allows for so much more build variety that it is one of the main reasons why fromsoft games are so replayable
I can't imagine having more than 1000 hours in the game with pve alone unless you like speedrunning or something similar, I've played pve so much that I can't even get through limgrave anymore out of boredom
Miyazaki is hard supporter of subjective idealism and his projects attracts people who only accept subjective idealism. And dont see anyone in this world but themself.
i don’t get how one can hate invaders, when i’m summoned to a regular player it’s fun to try to turn it into a civil 1v1. when it comes to ganks i like to try to make it peaceful (which rarely works).
It depends on what kind of invader we're speaking of. Due to PvP been far more layered towards host's side and the nature of open world as a whole (easy to get a broken build without leveling even once), it almost incentives invaders to be extremely well prepared in terms of gear as possible.
So imagine a newcomer being greeted by a twink with antspur, sleep pots and an almost never ending fp regen from duped starlight shards. It would certainly spoil the idea of invasion system for them.
Invaders these days have no excuses with all these crutches they have now (endpurr and waves of trashiness)
Back in my day on release we had real challenges vs gank squads! (infinite stamina crutch 💪)
Elden Ring pvpers are a bunch of cry babies I love it 🥰
everyone is a crybaby, from PvErs complaining about invaders to PvPers complaining about PvErs complaining about invaders to PvErs complaining about PvPers complaining about PvErs complaing about PvP to PvErs complaining about other PvErs
I can smell the Reddit account and the Kotaku subscription on ya bud.
Hostcel detected.
Yeah the big red baddies are crying. Crying of laughter about how you lost in a 3v1. 😂🤣
meanwhile majority of PvErs trying not mald at dlc's difficulty at launch(impossible)
First here
Bot for sure.
@ryanvandoren1519 nope just was waiting for him to upload
16:26
Aren't invaders invading KNOWING that they'll be likely placed in a 1v2 or 1v3???
nowadays yeah, i can understand someone getting mad or surprised if they invaded 2 or more people in DeS-ds2 though.
Yes, this is fine when it happens organically with 3 dudes trying to actually progress.
The issue is when weak players decide to cheese by standing somewhere with no PVE with no intention of playing the game. Only to cheese invaders.
still... was more engaging to play with a co-invader in the past games.
nowadays you're by your own, or your co-invader tries to kill you.
skibidi ring
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Any problems you have with invading can easily be solved by not invading. Go to the arena for far and balanced pvp or stop crying. If From wanted their game to be different it would. They obviously want invaders to be at a disadvantage because that's what you deserve.
You people (derogatory) are such mouthbreathers Jesus fucking christ