THE FLOOD VS THE VEX! (Halo Vs. Destiny) Who Wins?
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- Опубліковано 19 лис 2023
- In this video, we dive into the lore of Halo and Destiny, exploring a hypothetical showdown between two iconic species: the Flood and the Vex. The Flood, a parasitic entity from Halo, thrives by absorbing sentient life, while Destiny's Vex, a blend of organic and machine, manipulate reality across time and space. Join us as we analyze their strengths and weaknesses in an epic battle for supremacy.
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Let's not forget we truly do not know the full power of the Vex. We've seen scouts, we've seen builders, and we've seen their guard units, but we haven't yet seen the full combat power of the Vex. Exactly how much power, technology, and reserves do they posses? If they couldn't win with power, they have a frightening potential to win with logistics. Unless we could breach their homeworld, and find a way to halt a potential universe of Vex, all you'll end up doing is plugging leaks in a sinking ship that's already underwater.
I don't think the Vex have a single Homeworld, or what i like to think they have:
"Planetary vex control minds"
An Hypotethical equivalent of the Flood keyminds, i mean, if the vex had Forge worlds, ¿why not something like that?
Not to mention the vex in the vault of glass that are strong enough to erase 3 guardians from existence
THE GRAVE MIND WILL ERASE THE VEX PERIOD AND ITS ALSO APART OF THE FLOOD
The Vex don't have true combat forms. That logistical strength you mention is why they don't need it. Their "civilian" frames are perfectly capable of operating on the level of all but the greatest warriors in the universe, so they simply don't need combat frames, anything that their normal frames can't deal with, they just need to create a specialised Axis Mind for.
you just said the vex are oragnic, the fight was already lost.
The forerunners who were humans in the bungie version which I will use for arguments shake were one of the most overpowered races in fiction and they lost to the flood, the flood is biblical in nature and is only stoppable for a peroid before coming back again and again.
Something about the vex that i haven't seen anyone else mention: we haven't been fighting their combat units, we have supposedly been fighting worker units (the wyverns being a potential exception).
we also have never had to fight a flood infestation past stage 2, and the only reason we beat a stage 2 flood infection is the gravemind was desperate to stop truth from firing the rings and sent most of the flood to the ARK to stop him
@@steeldragon5730shut up + mid fodder + ratio + vex still clap +トリプルドッグデスバラージ (TRIPLE DOG DEATH BARRAGE!!!!)
@steeldragon5730 in actuality we have fought the flood at stage , since they gained slipspace capable transport in halo 2/3
@@thecringecounter5091 i would say that is not T3, mainly because they are only at a gravemind local size and not a keymind planet size. I would say at most stage 2.5 with high charity being infected. while large, not a planets worth of biomass to fuel a Keymind flood organism
@steeldragon5730 planetary key minds are late stage 3, the flood become intergalactic when they gain slipspace travel (like they did in halo 2/3). They 100% reached the intergalactic stage.
As much as i love the flood more for their personality and fear factor, they do require a nervous system to attach to a host (something a vex radiolaria does not have), and the vex are simply more technologically advanced than even the forerunners. The vex would win.
I think the Logic Plague would be be hugely impactful here tbh.
@@blindmamba7I think that Vex would be quarantined, and then destroyed.
I wouldn't say more powerful exactly, equal levels sure but we dont know the limits of the vex,
I dont remember what it was called but the forerunners built some crazy shit, like the guardians (even tho everyone ignores H5), obviously the rings, the arks (flood blew one up) the one in H3 was the lesser ark lol so there was an even bigger one
And I think the most impressive stuff we know of the vex was from beyond light, when Clovis sent teams thru the portal, they saw wyverns and stuff, but something described was what they thought was the vex homeworld, or something like that, I'm not sure
@@blindmamba7 the vex is actually biological so the logic plague wouldn't work.
Nah the FLOOD will wipe out the vex entire species 💯🙀🔥🫰
A cool thing is in Halo 3, when the gravemind talks to you, your character's vision is messed up and your movement is slowed, is an actual lore thing, when the gravemind talks to someone/something, it can make it feel like an eternity just to screw with you
it sure feels like his dialogue never ends
I feel like the vex and flood would combine into an even more powerful hive mind
The Flex
@@Angelus_ArkadiusGet out.The teleporter is over there.
@@4realm8rusirius yeah that sounds about right
I wanna see flood Vs the hive, wanna see flood space god
the amount of information the flood will receive + from infinite forest would be insane
The vex are a liquid race. In robot bodies. They can also time travel/manipulate time and adapt to the threat it’s facing. For example Quira Blade Transform was made to study hive worms. I am skeptical if flood spores can infect radiolaria fluid or if it dies like antibodies fighting off foreign bacteria or viruses.
Considering vex radiolaria burns guardians, I dont think any sort of real biological tissue has a chance, unfortunately for the flood, love those lil guys tho
@@smoothtrooper781yeah, the Flood spores would probably melt and burn, so in that aspect, the vex are "inmume" in an, unspecified and weird way.
The radiolaria reconstructs things into more vex if exposed for too long without heavy protection so it would convert the spores into more radiolaria or vex tech/architecture since they are all made from the same thing or maybe something worse which i dont want to think about
@@smoothtrooper781 there is a difference between a multicellular organism and a single cell organism, just because one can be effected doesn't inherently mean the other will be. And given what the Flood are and that real life single cell micro organisms have adapted to counter threats from other microorganisms, it's entirely within the realm of possibility that the Flood super cell can adapt.
you just said the vex are oragnic, the fight was already lost.
The forerunners who were humans in the bungie version which I will use for arguments shake were one of the most overpowered races in fiction and they lost to the flood, the flood is biblical in nature and is only stoppable for a peroid before coming back again and again.
I like the explanation that vex teleports aren't really teleports. While they "teleporting" they just search for an alternative timeline where the body is just standing somewhere else
Wait wait i thought the only real warrior vex we encountered is the wyverns the rest are like maintenance and construction units with combat as a secondary function
This is true. The Vex haven't taken us seriously and as such haven't sent out their real forces yet. Apparently Wyverns are the Vex equivalent to foot soldiers, and you've seen how badly they can mess up Guardians.
@@lordpumpkinhead265 I think the do take us very serious, as they know they can corrupt guardians like Asher Mir or Kabr, but not with a high enough success rate. As such they keep their real forces in the backseat until they find a surefire way to beat our paracausal guardians or are threatend enough to have no other choice.
@@PhantomMiria22 I disagree. The Vex own multiple Galaxies and can cross dimensions. Guardians are mostly confined to a single solar system. They have no reason to see us as legitimate threats due to the small space we occupy.
@@lordpumpkinhead265you’re right that they likely don’t see us as a threat to their overall structure, but I think the idea that they could destroy us easily if they wanted to send actual combat units is pretty unfounded. We’ve seen how badly paracausality fucks with their shit. They were *terrified* of oryx, who we obviously beat the shit out of.
@@lordpumpkinhead265pretty much the only guardians that they've seen as a threat are Saint-14, our guardian, and probably Osiris
The Flood are intelligent, relentless, and merciless. The Vex, by contrast, are virtually unstoppable in the long game. The Flood are aggressive yet patient, the Vex are cold and calculating. If presented with a problem, the Flood will seek to understand while they solve it, the Vex simply "rectify" it. The Flood can wait for æons, but the Vex simply bring those æons to them.
This. The best analogy to the vex I've heard
In easy words we are fu€ked
Its still wild that the vex are capable of respect they are more complex then we think
105mm would like to disagree
@titantitties bro that made a shrine of our boy Saint 14 vex don't just make random shrines....they even made him float that's a flex
@deviljocky598UT wha? Excuse me, but what does that have to do about a joke of a big gun?
@@titantitties saint IS the big gun bro
@@deviljocky598UT no, he is BIG FIST
Next time, do a video of Hive vs Flood.
They both have the same end goals, but use different strategies to obtain them.
Both have huge numbers, too.
Ufff, THAT would be an Apocalyptic scenario, where no matter who wins: *The rest of the Universe is Doomed*
But if you ask me, i give the Hive a 80% of chances to win.
@@aquilesgarciaperez5918, especially if it's peak hive, which would include oryx and his taking.
I'd imagine that a taken flood infector form would be able to either infect multiple targets, or maybe just clone itself like the taken psions
@@Mr.Happy777 more likely clone himself, imagine a bunch of Taken Flood Juggernauts cloning a lot of times, Entire plantes would fall with (Stadistically) small numbers!!
@@Mr.Happy777that's somehow even more horrific to think about
@@walker7753 yeah, if the Forerunner had a Lott of troubles dealin' with "regular flood" now think about how SCREW they would be if the Flood have those Taking powers or even they fight the Hive itself.
The thing is, we know that Graveminds are some of the highest ranked flood forms around. We havent even began to scratch the surface of what the hierarchy of the Vex are. Atheon as far as lore wise was simply a Librarian of timelines that confluxed through him. Goblins, Hobgoblins, Minotaurs, Hydras, and Cyclops are mearly the building and tarraforming units. The Wyverns are the basic warrior units of the vex, and nobody enjoys fighting them. The cherry on top is that the vex can time travel can erase you from history. The only reason they can do that with Guardians or Humanity as a whole, is because the Traveler is paracausal and therefore the vex cant replicate or simulate paracausality.
Gorgons nuff said, its a readily available unit, and wipes foreign entities from existence
Don't forget their have been times where they created Minds to counter those Paracausal powers ( Martyr Mind ) and use those powers themselves ( Quria ). Like that shit will always be wild to me, Quria learned not only the Sword Logic but how to Take....
Something you’re forgetting is that the flood have full use of Neural physics, neural physics is far stronger than paracausality.
@@shugo5130that makes no sense, neural physics and paracausality are not even comparable, one is about the fabric of the Universe treated as building material, the other is about a force that is beyond the Laws of physics
You can literally change reality with paracausality
@@MrVidman14I’ll start with: I have no idea about anything about destiny, so I have no clue about paracausality. I have no idea if Neural Physics when used by the Flood would hold a candle to it, overcome it, or be utterly crushed by it.
Neural Physics however is something that’s kind of a “this is how we think the very basics of the concept are like, but we are in no way on the level of being able to truly comprehend it”. The star roads were only a single example of the uses of neural physics. Another example is the domain, a repository of knowledge based in Neural Physics that the forerunners discovered and utilized for themselves. However, it should also be noted that the halo array could be tuned to destroy objects and technology based around neural physics, meaning that with the right tech it’s by no means all-powerful. Depending on how the vex gather data and intelligence, they may not even need paracausality to combat the Neural Physics capabilities of the Flood.
There's simply not enough biomass in each vex to grow in a meaningful way before being engulfed in slap-rifle fire.
Logic plague.
Flood doesnt need biomass. It's possible for the flood to "infect" machines. There is no need for biomass.
@@LifeCompanionDogs8083not so much of a problem, the main Vex minds are not usually exposed, and the Singular vex units can be locked in Quarentine and destroyed, as Osiris said:
"Perhaps the vex seems to be Unified, but they are separeted in many sub-factions"
@@LifeCompanionDogs8083 the vex are organic.
@@LifeCompanionDogs8083that won’t work, the vex are too goal oriented and it’s a very simple goal, make the universe all vex
Flood gave me nightmares to this day because of the library mission the vex does not
I think the Vex are scarier in a more cosmic way
Idk man being erased from time like you we're never to exist to begin with is pretty frightening
You haven't done the deep stone crypt raid and it shows
@@TheBenjiNebby well I have been a free to play player so I can’t do deep stone crypt
Atheon could literally just expunge the flood from the timeline, couldn't he?
Yes pretty much an instant win.
And the craziest part is Atheon was basically just a librarian for the timelines. Using the oracles he could literally erase the flood from existence
I think the biggest deciding factor in this will be the effect that the Flood have on the Vex. Anything that’s exposed to Vex radiolaria (mind fluid) is reconstructed to be converted into Vex matter, and if I remember correctly, any knowledge that an organic contains becomes encoded into the Vex network. In addition, the base supercell of the Flood that comes from their Precursor origins. Would it be immune to Vex conversion or not? Would a grave or Keymind have enough power/intelligence to maintain its sense of self to enter and corrupt the Vex network after conversion via radiolaria, or will the Vex be able to quantify the Floods existence enough to eventually erase it? Lots of angles here but as long as there are sufficiently complicated organics the fight would be a stalemate with the deciding factor, to me, being who can absorb one into the other being the deciding win factor.
Now that I think about it, if the Flood manage to learn enough about the Vex, corrupting by getting converted into Vex matter may become their primary objective. The Flood believe in the mantle of responsibility, and their way of asserting the mantle is by absorbing, and converting everything into a part of itself so something able to absorb and convert even more matter than the flood would be a superior organism to it, so the Flood would probably let itself be converted and try to become some kind of Vex over mind if it’s own so it can convert everything according to its ideals of the mantle of responsibility.
Most if not all knowledge that any organic entity can conceivably know is already encoded in the infinite forest by nature of it being, well, infinite. There’s no need to absorb knowledge directly.
A grave mind is simply an avatar of the flood hivemind. EVERY grave mind ever is the same individual, even when there are multiple grave minds at once.
The real question would be HOW does Vex radiolaria convert biomass. If the cells are using the material to create structures then couldn't the flood supercell simply convert the Vex cells first?
I think so, what the guy in the video didn't touch on is that the flood consumes ALL biomass, not to mention will send ships to other galaxies consuming the universe from the outside in. Stage 4 Flood would win i think, because at that point it will just consume everything, all life.@@NotARobot-sc3it
They'd just send a Vex from the future that has already conquered the flood to defeat the flood sooner.
The only reason they haven't been able to stop us because guardians just laugh at physics and reality, just like Hive with their magic, same with Scorn.
I have no idea why the Cabal haven't been eradicated by the Vex tough.
Yes! Definitely need more Halo vs Destiny vids.
Agreed
Brutes vs Cabal next?
@@Kelvyn_P i give the Cabal a 90% of chances to win, they can GROWN BIGGER than a Hunter.
@@Kelvyn_P I won’t lie, the Brutes would get absolutely stomped, the Cabal are already a bulkwalk of an Empire and the Brutes had to be trained to use their gear like around a few years just before The Great Schism (Elite’s betrayal of The Covenant). So if it’s prime vs prime of the two, then the Cabal are gonna win very easily. Even if it’s a one on one, I might give it to the
Cabal. It would be funny to see though imo
@@zeffyeer yet a bunch of dipshits with robes, capes, and bath towels have been clapping their collective asses for 9 years
I think it might depend on the size. Whether or not a single Vex organism is larger or smaller than a Flood supercell. We know how big and how small cells can get (i dont though) so it depends on whether or not the single Vex organism away from a collective is large enough, and if it has a central nervous system. And even then, maybe the Vex can outsimulate the Flood, or the Flood can gain the knowledge the Vex have, rabbit hole time.
Also the Covenant vs the Cabal would be interesting
Do the covenant versus the red Legion
I would personally like to see how that would fair myself.
Phalanx shield bash physics
@@General..Grievous Don't forget the Cabal drop pods. Those are op
Long comment ahead. I think the Vex would actually win.
The main advantage of the Flood is assimilation. Anything with a nervous system can become a combat form, and any sort of biological matter can added to the Flood’s mass. But the Vex have no nervous system, and the single-celled organisms that make up their radiolaria are silicon-based, which I’m not sure can be assimilated. Plus the radiolaria can defend itself on the microscopic level, with Clovis Bray noting that “Many have needle-like pseudopods, which transform between stiff spines and motile whips on the basis of some piezoelectric response.”
I’m not sure if the logic plague would be of much use against the Vex. The way it’s described, it takes a long and drawn out interaction to infect a single mind. But what is a “mind” to a species made up of microscopic organisms? Additionally, every mind within the Vex network is ultimately replaceable (though the destruction of some minds set the Vex back more than others), so if a mind is turned, it could be severed from the network with little consequence.
The Vex’s simulation and prediction abilities are likely at least on par with Flood keyminds, so they’re on even footing when it comes to strategizing.
We know the Vex can teleport across massive distances, being to teleport across our solar system at least, though likely further. Plus, I’m not sure if it’s traditional teleportation, as the Ripples lore book mentions: “The Minotaur revises its place in history, appearing to teleport forward as it shifts to a more advantageous future.” Whatever the case, it’s very advantages when a Vex army can just teleport into the center of a Flood stronghold.
Lastly, while the Vex are absolutely unable to accurately simulate and easily utilize paracausal powers, they are not completely beyond them. The Vex are able to interact with the Light, seen when they drained Saint-14 of his Light with a mind created to do so, though he did say “It took them centuries to build, keyed to the unique frequency of my Light.” There is the Sol Divisive and their connection with the Darkness. And in its war against the Hive, the Vex mind Quria “captured some worm larvae and began experimenting with them. Soon Quria, Blade Transform manifested religious tactics. By directing worship at the worms, Quria learned it could alter reality with mild ontopathogenic effects. Being an efficient machine, Quria manufactured a priesthood and ordered all its subminds to believe in worship. Then it set about abducting and killing dangerous organisms so it could bootstrap itself to Hive godhood.” It would even try to use these powers against Oryx, though fail utterly.
Honestly, from seemingly all angles, it seems like the Vex were almost tailor made to defeat the Flood.
But that’s just my conclusion. Is there anything I’m missing?
Nice video, though on the topic of who would win I do have to bring something up that came to mind:
The Flood's biological component at its smallest is the super cell, not the spore - the spores and pod infectors are just vectors to make it easier to get a super cell into a host, and in large enough amounts to take serious root. Because the (physical side of the) Vex are at their biological cores, microorganisms in funny organic juice inside mech suits the Flood should be able to infest said organisms in said juice - ideally, atleast. Its likely that these microorganisms are the mechanism behind the Vex's assimilation, much like the Flood, but its unclear how the Vex react to someone else trying to assimilate them on such a level, but if the Flood could take over then it would rapidly gain in the biomass it needs from simply taking a dip in the radilorian streams found on Vex instillations.
Then there's the logic plague, which works not just against machines, but living beings too. There is lore about how Forerunners trying to study a Precursor, the beings which the Flood came from, were driven mad by its truths and offed themselves. The brain is, afterall, but a organic computer - the plague does not care for the medium, only the intelligence. If the Vex peer too deeply into the Abyss, they might find themselves drawn into it and driven mad. Hell, just trying to assimilate the Flood might open the entire hivemind to the raw calculus of beings that were essentially gods in Halo
If the Flood are able to take advantage of the organic half of the Vex's techoorganic it would be a likely win for them - the flood could not be destroyed by the forerunners, just nerfed and starved. Its possible the Vex cant figure *that* out as the mechanism behind it involves the sort of space magic they're not good at dealing with. Not to mention, if the Flood gets enough biomass it can start to manipulate said space magic on a galactic level and then its usually gg for the other party (Read, they'll spawn objects woven of the dreams of reality itself then use them to crush an opponents world).
That being said, i wonder if the Flood and Vex would just merge or something - and what that would produce. But if the Flood can convert the Vex's smallest components this would likely quickly spiral into a Flood victory
I see the flood supercell being able to convert radiolaria likely, as they can turn a full person in about 3 seconds, while from what I see the vex aren’t nearly that fast, so it stands to reason that the supercell is more powerful
Last I checked, the flood can't send versions immune to Vex from the future. The Vex can do that and would if they ever thought of the flood as a threat. If it wasn't for Vex time manipulation, then maybe the flood could have a 10,000,000 to 1 odds of winning.
@@rhyderleming5851There's flaw in your logic. The time it takes isn't a factor in how effective it is, as long as it still gets done. Radiolaria isn't a mere organism, it's tied to space-time as well and it's assimilation is FAR superior to the flood supercell. If the supercell touched the Radiolaria, it's GG and gets turned into more Radiolaria. The Vex are superior here.
IF the flood can... but it can't. Radiolaria's conversion is FAR superior to the flood supercell. The Vex win here.
@@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy Based on what? What makes you think Radiolaran conversion beats the Flood?
I would love to see a Flood or Tyranid VS Hive scenario, I feel that would just be the most interesting fight of all time and have us on the edge of our seats
i'd love to see more of these Destiny vs Halo vids. Just some ideas.
The Fallen vs The Elites
The Cabal vs The Covenant
The Hive vs. The Forerunners
UNSC vs The Awoken or Braytech
taken vs flood
spartans vs cabal/fallen(?)
The last city if it was in halo
Can't the vex just see a time line where the beat The Flood. It's not like they're paracasual so the Vex should be able to see that future.
Yes. This is why the flood ultimately have no chance.
In a battle with what both groups have readily available, the Gorgons alone would wipe the flood from existence
Don't for get about the graveminds 😬😬😬
They are paracausal though. The Primmordials used neural physics to exist in the realm of concepts. Anything that has a concept has a mind in their "tech" or since it's to advanced to even be understandable for forerunners that can eat realities up to power their tech then it goes beyond timelines and realities and that is where they exist a reality for gods where all concepts are born and interwoven with each other in some mental capacity almost like how Shinto says everything has a god in it and can provide blessings in that way. Unfortunately for any other race in any dimension or timeline, concepts exist and so does the gravemind's existence. They only use the biomass to make bodies that can interact with physical reality which is why after a certain amount a gravemind gains access back to that conceptual reality where all knowledge is stored allowing it to have all previously attained flood knowledge luckily they never said it's all knowledge of primordials but imply that it is only limited to all previously attained flood info meaning everything forerunners, ancient humans and ancient elites, ancient prophets and other ancient counterparts of halo races and chunks of what modern day halo races have. You can erase all flood biomas and spores from any reality but unless you can go to the meta dimension that makes up neural "science" then you can't really kill the gravemind's main source "hive mind" that's why their so confident that they'll be back no matter what.
Eh, you could argue the Flood is paracausal. It's essentially composed of Neural Physics, which is essentially Halo Brand Space Magic.
i just wanted to say that flood keyminds(at least in bungi lore) were able to control precursor tech a good example being the star roads which were used to destroy planets(not 100% sure im correct on that part) and precursors were Able to control living time and since the flood can use said tech im just saying that the flood can be extremally powerful when they reach the higher areas of their i guess hivemind would be the proper term also! recently i learned that the gravemind can use combat forms to project the logic plague in a way and apparently the logic plague works on organics?(HiddenXperia has a great video on the gravemind this is where he talks about this! also in his flood tier list!) so yeah there's also that i guess. all im saying is that if the flood were in a high stage of there evolution the vex would have a hard time(not saying the flood cant be beat at the latter stages tho!) but if the vex found the flood at say there feral stage where they dont really have any intelligence other then CONSUME they would be destoryed.
The flood at its peak defeated the Ecumene which had millions of insanely advanced ships across thousands of planets and could teleport between dimensions. They’re literally the remains of gods. Don’t underestimate the flood
The forerunners had millions of worlds
But see the main difference is even today we could more or less defeat the flood the flood is a fugus based virus and hive mind all you really need is a single spore from it and boom you win if you produce enough but since halo people have eradicated almost every disease they forgot how to deal with things like the flood but the vex even something that is unknown to everyone and presumably was here since the start of time is more or less loosing to the vex it means really only one thing the vex wasn't brought here by it existing the vex were there before it was known to exist by human factions the vex are the peak of golden age tech but are incomplete now likely cause there main hive mind another rasputin is offline or is online but barely considers wasting time on the light and dark fight and other factions we've only seen the civilian side of the vex and it is more then enough of a challage for guardians once it identifies a threat thst could bring it down it will deploy its military side to eraticate it we haven't even seen any ships from the vex we haven't even seen mines let alone missiles
Don't underestimate the Vex either.
We need more videos like this!
I would like The Covenant from Halo vs. the Fallen and the Cabal.
The fallen are the faction with less chances to win that, until they Team-up with the UNSC.
The Cabal or Hive is more of a match than the Fallen. The Fallen alone, are more in line with the Jackals, which ironically both are pirates...
Obviously vex, especially workers ones that we currently fight, now imagine real vex warriors lurking somewhere
This question has been burning in my mind for a while! Glad to see a video on it!
I’ve been waiting for someone to do a flood vs vex video for a while, thank you!
I love the Flood, they're genuine nightmare fuel in a way that not many things are. I'd argue even the Vex are just too... abstract to get the same sort of fear from them.
That being said, the Vex almost effortlessly would win against them.
Where the Flood need an organic neevous system to consume, time to develop into a Gravemind and eventually get to the point of being able to use Neural Physics, the Vex can infect matter in general, are already practically infinite, and have access to reality warping abilities from the get go. The moment the Vex show up on a planet, they've been there for millions/ billions of years thanks to their time altering abilities.
The Flood can be beaten back through starvation using the Halo arrays to wipe out their food source, the only reason the Vex haven't consumed the universe completely is because of the intervention of space magic that's beyond the laws of physics, introduced by what is for all intents and purposes a deity into the universe, and there's still a possibility the Vex could beat the odds and win.
And for the people in the back who somehow missed it, the Logic Plague would not work on them; they're not AI, it takes time that the Gravemind wouldn't have to take fully be put into effect, and even if it could affect some individual units or even an entire collective similar to the Sol Divisive, they'd be cut off and the rest of them would adapt to nullify is effects anyway. Assuming they wouldn't just stimulate the whole scenario and make it a useless tactic anyway.
Yeah, there's some crazy halo lore of the flood before the halo arrays were built, of them using star roads, things the precursors built, to literally strangle planets, but they needed a lot of biomass for that, they'd need to have probably eaten the entire cabal empire to get back to that power
Also read somewhere that every gravemind has the knowledge of every gravemind to have existed, which is a bit crazy
@justinroser6833 there's a problem with that, the logic plague affects ai and the vex are far from ai as they can be, plus in a mission we go to a place the vex made that is for rogue vex as a way to recycle them. The vex has to many failsafes to be beat by the flood and I also love the flood which is sad to see them lose, but it is also a good thing. I will listen to any counter argument you have
@justinroser6833 wouldn't work. They're not AI, and even if some tiny fraction of the Vex somehow did get corrupted by it, they'd be sequestered off by the greater collective just like the Sol Divisive. And honestly, even that took the Witness, the physical manifestation of Darkness (one of two primordial paracausal beings that are the foundations of reality itself) to corrupt them, so I like the Vex's odds on this one.
@justinroser6833 that would work if the vex worked like an a.i except it doesnt. The vex are living microscopic organisms being the little white fluid you see in their stomachs. And thats not just one each vex is apart of a greater vex mine with more than a million in each specific vex
Yeah but the vex ain't AI
The Logic Plagues impact on the vex would be so crazy to see!
Trevor Vs the entirery of the Covenant
2 other things that weren't mentionned.
if the vex react quickly enough, to a flood problem, while they are, say spread the size of a city, the vex could trap the flood in a simulation world. as in the flood is isekaied in a world created by the vex themselves.
also, in an all out war between the 2, the vex could recreate their most important units. some vex are called restorative mind and that is their purpose. for instance, theosyion once tried to recreate the nexus, a vex who tried to transform venus into a machine.
The Vex can detain the flood, and call in Gorgons
It's a Vex v Flood battle, so all readily available units can be used
@@Bustuhh the oracles and gorgons are part of the vault of glass and their powers are linked to it. So only if the flood tried to attack the vault.
@@arcadeinvader8086 this is Vex vs Flood, all readily available units can be used
so this crap about VoG is irrelevant
@@arcadeinvader8086 the rules of death battles are that unless something is excluded, then it can be used
locations dont matter, if the battle doesnt have a set location
go look online for death battle debates, you'll see yourself, that unless specifically stated something cant be used, then it CAN be used
Finally a video about Halo vs Destiny faction war! I've been waiting for years.
given what we know about the Flood and the Vex as of right now, I give a slight edge to the Flood. I consider Halo's concept of neural physics as analogous to paracausality since they're each series' version of space magic, and Flood intelligence has a vastly superior grasp on it compared to the Vex. They've attempted to replicate paracausal power on a small scale, but even with them having time travel, nested simulations, and (quote from Praydeth) minds the size of planets they've still only managed to produce the Black Heart even with all that computation available to them. The Vex are smart and virulent, but the Flood are crafty and imaginative on top of that.
something I like to keep in mind about fictional stuff like this though, is that the real winner is whoever the writer wants to win, so since we'll never actually see a canon fight between the Flood and the Vex I hope everyone treats this as the hypothetical bit of fun that it is in reality.
You are forgetting that the Vex are time travers. They have all the time they could ever need to beat the Flood. Besides the Vex aren’t helpless against paracausal beings. They understood and adapted sword logic to suite their needs, are capable of and have wiped paracausal beings from time(guardians), have figured out Ways to strip paracausal beings of their power(Saint-14). There is nothing the Flood could use against the Vex that Vex haven’t encountered or could straight up turn it back around to use against the Flood
@@xXx_Regulus_xXxI don’t think truer words have ever been spoken. Thank you for the reminder ☺️ (I think I was getting too involved in thinking about it when I really don’t need to be 🤣)
Nice, I enjoy your vids as always. This one was a brain buster for sure! 👾
Is no one going to talk about the didact(one of them) coming down with the logic plague?
Keep doing these !
Another thing about the Vex is that the vast majority of the units we’ve fought aren’t combat chassis. They’re surveyors, architects, scouts, and construction workers. The closest we’ve ever gotten to a combat frame so far is the Wyvern.
And Wyverns are the weakest ones meant for combat
The biggest feat the flood managed was nearly consuming the entire galaxy and an (albeit somewhat de militarized) incredibly powerful Forerunner empire. The Gravemind could travel dimensions with slipspace and warp the minds of even intelligent programs like Mendicant Bias. The Gravemind is extremally intelligent because it accumulates the knowledge of every being its absorbed for future graveminds even after death. Plus you need a very thorough halo firing to even possibly be rid of them.
The Vex's biggest feat is taking on Oryx's spawn (including ascendant hive like crota who can split open worlds) in his throne world before the big papa came and learning the sword logic through Quria. The Vex have domain over infinite dimensional realms and their understanding of time allows them to basically kill anything aside from a paracausal being. Plus what people say in the comments about their possibly being even more powerful warrior vex forms and in places like the vault of glass they could make you have never existed at all in reality.
The Vex do have biological components for the flood to exploit and that might be all it takes, but the vex have mastery over infinite dimensions so who knows how much power they could call upon to stop the flood before they grow to strong.
The only way I can really see a meaningful W for the Flood is that if the Vex Network gets infected with the Logic Plague. The Vex can kinda just Ctrl+Alt+Delete the Flood and also have the Infinite Forest (unless the Flood manage to infect that as well). If the Flood manage to infect a single Vex unit the Gravemind/Prtoto-Gravemind (Hive Mind) will kinda gain a back door into the Vex. Bc they’re connected to their networks and Minds constructs like Atheon, Undying Mind, etc. they’ll also have to keep an eye on systems whilst other Minds try to predict the Flood (which never goes well in Halo, just look up the Mona Lisa story).
If the Logic Plague doesn’t work I very much doubt the Flood is actually capable of winning, the Vex shift in and out of time and their Radiolaria kinda just turns you into a Vex overtime. This is like a Tyranids vs Necrons situation from 40K imo. That would also be a good matchup tho. Vex vs Necrons, who would win?
1._ yeah, the vex have a HUGE advantage in those scenarios.
2._ well, since is confirmed that the Vex already travel through diferent Galaxies (even Dimensions) the amount of knowlege and Units *COULD* Overwelm the Necrons.
Nah even our Guardian help traversing the Infinite Forest the Flood has no such help and will be deleted. As for the Logic Plague maybe....the Vex often quarentine and destroy Aberrant Vex with the exception of the Sol Divisive but they aren't really an issue to rest of the Vex so they're respone may vary.....
@@theonewayroad3867 To be fair, we basically made the Sol Divisive irrelevant.
Vex, as you stated the radiolaria it instantaneously takes over.
As much as i love this type of videos, you can’t simply ignore the entirety of flood lore involving how it infects or evolves.
Firstly the Logic Plague is not exclusive to AI’s, the Didact a forerunner leader of the warrior class was infected by the Logic Plague, turning him insane and acting again his own species thinking he was saving the forerunners.
As for the Halo rings, the Flood is pretty much resistant to it since the Halo rings destroy every single being containing a nervous system, leaving the Flood to starve from it.
For the infection of microscopical life forms, it’s not common but they could adapt to it since the Flood adapts to the most relevant possible hosts, if needed they can and they can infect microscopical life forms since the flood supercell is also a microscopical being.
As for the para usual issue, it all comes down to when and at what stage is the Flood at, since at the end of the Forerunner-Flood War the Flood was able to manipulate and corrupt the fabric of reality itself, pulling biomass from the simple tough of it. And this does not stop with only life since technology can also be corrupted by the Flood, using the best weapons that the Vex can offer against them.
As i said previously, i loved the videos, but making conclusions without knowing the entirety of the basic lore feels insulting and makes the video kinda infuriating.
Glad someone else feels the same
I think it would depend on the stage of the flood, no gravemind>>vex. The grave mind have a talent for being able to use the logic plague, it takes long with a gravemind but it will get better as it infects more.
Also the flood can still infect microscopic organisms
Finally Ive been wanting to see some destiny vs other games vids no one else seemed to have done yet. Would love to see your take on the the Hive vs warhammer 40k
I feel like the flood is more similar to hive than vex. According to unveiling lore entry, they are only slightly younger than The Veil and Traveler. Flood is certainly old, but more like hive old, In halo universe we have sth like precursors against vex
Oof the vex would get clapped
But the Hive doesn't assimilate life like the Flood, they just commit genocide with space magic.
@@adamknott7830you haven't heard of Atheon or the Gorgons have you?!
@@Bustuhh I have. Played hundreds of hours in D1. They are still biological and if the flood could infect the vex I think the vault would be very susceptible to infection
@@admiralcat3809 if oryx is around they could still take the flood
Anyone just imagining the flood bacteria and vex liquid state just zapping at flood cell.
Kinda like watching intelligent zombies vs people with lightning for a super power while simultaneously making time their bitch
The logic plague also works on living things as well
I'd like to see what you'd come up with for this match up. Cabal vs Brutes (if need specific groups perhaps Caitials Cabal vs Atriox's Banished)
Calus has the power of darkness which means he can kill atriox himself with the trinket
For those who know the lore: Quria when they first invaded Oryx's Throne World began to simulated infinitesimal realities and tests on the Hive and their Worm Parasites, but Quria never could do it with precision because the Hive was paracausal because of the Darkness. But Quria never once put a Hive worm on herself or another Vex.
We know the Hive only change and "mutate" because of the Worms. In my theory, if Quria did place a worm in a Vex body, either her own or a surrogate test subject we'd be pretty much see a mix between bio and machine lifeforms, maybe a separate network from the Vex themselves. Or the Vex would have generated a virus-like mind to infect and bring down their own systems. Possibly.
or simulate-analyze-emulate...xD?
So you saying it could make a vex act like a leader-less taken
@@spv4711 Probably, look at the Caretaker. It was once a Scorn Abomination, the equivalent of a hive ogre. Rhulk linked it to a worm and gave it far more consciousness than even the Fanatic, the lore states it not only took care of Rhulk's experiments but also ran it's own personal tests on subjects.
A Vex could very well have it's designations changed, mutated, or even linked to a worm. Highly unlikely Bungie would gravitate towards such idea but as the light vs darkness saga comes to a close the Vex may be our next priority.
I love it keep up the good work
I think the flood and the hive would be a more accurate match because the hive was based off of the flood. Maybe the vex could go up against the forerunners/prometheans
The gravemind claps the VEX easy money sniper 😂
The flood vs the destiny verse would go crazy
I mean on one hand if it is caught early it shouldn’t be to hard to defeat but I feel that everything could go wrong very quickly
Having not yet watched the video, I will make a few suppostions and see how much is addressed or how close I get!
To start, I think the Vex win- though not by any landslide or because of some distinct power difference. Rather a difference of mere foundational functionality. The main thing the Vex do- their *entire shtick* is time travel and spatial manipulation. They are capable of creating and exploiting artificial digital realities (the mechanics of which aren't entirely clear, other than they are "real" and can be physically traveled to), and simulating incomprehensibly large scale scenarios literally faster than time itself.
The flood, while powerful and capable of exploiting neural physics (their version of wobbly space magic), still need time to get to that point- and even when they do, they themselves cannot do anything so batshit insane as go *back* in time to kill something before it ever becomes a threat. The vex can and the only reason they *don't* in the Destiny universe is because paracasual magic which pervades the entire universe essentially prevents them from doing so. Both the Darkness and the Light halt vex time travel paradoxes in their tracks, which requires the vex to spend incredible resources slowly establishing an anchor point at some point in time within some localized region that they cannot go "behind", and even then paracausal entities cannot be accurately predicted by raw logic alone (hence why vex struggle to be as overwhelmingly unbeatable against guardians as they are against everything else except the taken, and even THEN they are still incredibly dangerous to guardians). While it is unclear if a fully scaled Flood complete with Neural Physics could fight off a Vex invasion, as neural physics is arguably paracausal in itself, it is absolutely within the power of the Vex to stamp out a minor flood infestation with 0 issues at all and neural physics do not persistently pervade the entire universe in quite the same way that light and dark do in destiny. If it did, then the flood would likely not give a shit about the Rings and would already own the entire galaxy (or even universe). The vex would figure out how the flood work incredibly quickly, devise countermeasures, and then go back in time and deploy said countermeasures pre-emptively before the flood get a chance to assimilate any vex at all and certainly before they assimilate "enough" vex to abuse time travel themselves.
So...What I take from this is that the Vex would win. How would the Flood handle time traveling robots that are endless? Are the Flood endless? I've not played enough Halo (only had a few hours due to split screen pains years ago) so fully know. But they could end up either entering a stalemate or even combining forces.
Yeah the vex would win like 7 or 8 times out of 10, the flood really need a lot of biomass before they can do stuff, especially against tech, unless they have bodies to throw or are stealing whatever tech and knowledge their food has
No the Flood aren't endless in numbers, but if we're talking the Flood from the era of the Forerunners, then they certainly were at their greatest strength and could have a chance. I'm thinking if the Flood were to activate the Halo array what effect that would have on the Vex (recall that the rings don't kill the Flood but just living sentient beings that are their food, and they could keep some living captives on a shield world). The 26th century Flood outbreak was much weaker by comparison as they have had much less time to develop and spread. They also didn't have access to Forerunner or even Precusor technology like they used to either but if not for the help of the Elites they could have probably consumed all of humanity on Earth. But not sure if they would do as well vs the Vex.
The FLOOD CLEARS
The flood are made from the gods who created the halo universe. They cannot actually be defeated as they feign a defeat to gain ground in the future.
@@shugo5130 so can the Vex. They can manipulate time. Once the Vex know about you. They have ALWAYS known about you. The Vex literally have all of existence, before, and beyond to figure out a way to beat the Flood. Time, one the Floods greatest allies is not one their side
And even paracausal beings like Guardians aren’t safe from Vex conversion. Asher Mir’s body was still being actively converted but his Light was helping him resist.
more videos like this please!
Can the Flood time travel? Because I think the Vex win by default.
No they can't (as long as we know and THANK GOD THEY CAN'T)
….. Huh…. Do the Vex time travel via technology? Because if so, and the Flood manage to absorb even one Vex mind that knows how it works… well… the Flood now have time travel, in that circumstance.
@@valkyrie283 kinda, the Time Travel via Teleporters they Build, but ONLY from the point A, then a Time Rupture opens in Point B from where the Vex units and they Machinary get out, all this without need of a second teleporter in the other side.
@@aquilesgarciaperez5918 Huh, cool!
@@valkyrie283 but the Vex aren't even Organic, they are the white Electric Goo inside the Robotic bodies (Vex milk as the guardians call it for fun) THOSE are the ACTUAL VEX, and it has de Ability to Decompose and Reconstruct Organic thing in MORE vex milk (such as Flood super cells)
Vex vs the Borg or the Thing would also be cool. In the end it boils down to who can assimilate who faster.
I think logic plague would be the only saving Grace. If it’s a fresh infection then radiolaria would at best be biomass
we also gotta consider the fact that the consciousness of the Gravemind cannot be destroyed . the moment a new gravemind is formed, all the memories of the past graveminds are restored within the new Gravemind.
to simply put it. you can kill all the flood. but you can’t beat the flood. they just wait until another outbreak occurs
Unless you remove ALL the flood from existence, ofc it would be hard but with infinite time nothing is impossible, even if they came back somehow they would be rather weak and would just lose again.
@@grimacetexas9719 see thats the best part. in order to kill the graveminds consciousness, you need to erase the entire universe. so it wouldn’t really be a defeat, more like an infinite standstill between the 2
@@WeeADream i agree but i wouldnt really consider putting your enemy that cant die in basically life support where they cant die but also cant act while you live your life and do what you want a standstill. You arent a full winner but you still win.
So fascinating on these subjects which I got 2 ideas if we do Halo vs Destiny type of situations which I'm interested in seeing who would win as a The Covenant vs The Fallen and The Brutes vs The Cabal which I can say those ideas will take some time to find out who will win
Something I've always wondered is who would win,
Necromorphs or flood?
(Markers included)
You've got to do the Flood vs the Taken/Hive.
One match up I'd love to see is halo flood vs mass effect reapers!
Not up for debate. Vex claps Flood.
I guess us guardians best both then. Atheon ain’t got shit on me!
(Training day reference)
@@michaelboone8725 yes but no. The vex are a near infinite force of nature. Nothing guardians have faced is anything near a computable fraction of the full force of the vex. The amount of problems the vex are solving at once is incomprehensible and what we've seen is one tiny facet. If the vex decided to create chasis for, and use all the "milk" on just nessus to invade earth, there is NOTHING guardians would be able to do.
The real difference between the flood and the vex is that the flood are actively trying to attack all life and sentience. The vex on the other hand, have an infinite number of goals, and a majority of their contact with us (sol divisive notwithstanding) is incidental.
This is where I think the infestation from Warframe is greater than the flood
Did you not hear that flood also infects machines?
@@Negi10011. Vex aren’t machines 2. Vex are basically the flood but better and more advanced in every way, since they can’t be beaten unless you have the cause≠effect abilities
I think the logic plague can work on organisms, though it's unclear if it can be used to control them, or just drive them mad. Either way, would take a lot of time, and probably resisted by something in the same league as the grave/key mind.
A single mushroom cap can drop billions of spores. I think the mass debate could be further extended.
Great video. Great comments.
Not truly. Spores can't or wont do anything without a contributing factor to deliver their purpose, vex dont breath therefore spores dont work, the vex mass itself is organic but I believe too small and intelligent to be infected, and by the standard of the vex they can easily adapt let alone, like said in the video easily evolve past such and use infinite realities and time to where the vex come on top (Thats if the flood can theoretically infect the Vex).
Not to mention the current deployment of vex are only farmer frames and builders, true warriors and beings of he Vex could provide further adaptation and abilities to neutralize the flood.
@@ballergamerdestroyer4455I believe the spores need a nerve to infect as well which the vex likely don’t have and wouldn’t the spores basically become become vex if it touched the radiolaria
@@retricallltann6243 yup therefore vex win
The flood torturing an AI with the question: "What came first, the chicken or the egg?"
YESSSSSSSSSSSS FINALLY SOMEONE IS TALKINGABOUT THIS IVE ALWAYS WONDERS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN THAAAAANNNK YOU EVAZE!!!!!
The problem with comparisons is in the origins stages. Its all well and good to assume based on feats, but the lack of information on origin makes actually comparing a 'fight' difficult. Can Flood become spacefaring from a planet with only biomass? How fast can a nascent vex planet reach its peak and start expanding into space?
Sangheli Vs The Eliksni, Taniks the Scarred vs The Arbiter.
Now I know what inspired The appearance of the worm gods from destiny
This would be an apocalyptic face off and would likely amount to a much more terrifying version of the Technocyte virus from Warframe
A video idea maybe Taken from destiny vs The Flood from halo
You know, I've always wondered what would happen if the dreadnought, at its highest, somehow appeared in the 41st milennium. When it comes to ship-to-ship combat, the 40K universe has powerful weapons but always have to be right next to each other, perfect position for the main weapon of the dreadnought. Oryx can take (the hell would a taken daemon be like?) and the 41st milennium is entirely new to Oryx so he feeds his worm immensely simply by just being in the galaxy and being curious about it.
Even better - if they know a bit about space hulks, the dreadnought could appear as such at the edge of a system. Dark angels or rogue traders go flying over, find a hole to get into the main ship and oryx has new puppets. I wonder if they'd intentionally build warp-capable tomb ships and things to start cutting through the immaterium as well.
one i would like to see is the reapers from mass effect vs the flood
Funny lil' spider thing W
I feel like the floods mind would be swept away like the others
Its all fun and that until one sides wins and we still lose
You should do Taken (Destiny) Vs The flood (Halo)
One thing you need to add in is Nerual Physics which the Flood Excels in and due to the Flood are wrapped to the Concept of Existence which makes them impossible to kill unless you destroy the Concept but now due to Season 5 in Infinite, the Flood can repurposes Equipment and even munitions like explosives to spread but The Flood are the Precursors a Tier 0 Civilization Race and they even exist outside the Halo Universe and can change forms to be different Tier Civilization and believe in Living Time, Neural Physics is also Space-Time.
I'd love a comparison of the Vex or Flood against the Geth of Mass Effect.
Size doesn't limit flood infection. Just has trouble (still can, just difficult) using anything too small or lacking a central pervious system. They would only be able to use them for flood hives, grave minds, and eventually pure forms. But the spores will quickly make them stop using open air pools of Vex milk. If nothing else, then because I doubt it would be easy to fight of the flood infection given the Forrunners and ancient humans couldn't, and that's assuming they can.
I imagine that neural physics will count as paracuasal, but it probably won't be common enough to matter.
Big problem with flood scaling though, is that they are dependent on how much they eat and grow. Flood taking over a super advanced civilization, or spreading across a galaxy, could be infecting space time itself. While on some baren rock, if they can't eventually scrape together enough for a grave mind, they'll probably be stuck at feral, if not die out all together.
I wonder halo infinite banished vs destiny 2 red Legion?
Make more of these videos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why can all I think of is the vex just straight up building some halo rings of their own
Random thought taken vs flood. If a flood gets taken do the people it infects also get taken?
There is one THING I think would be a threat to both.
The X-Parasite from Metroid.
How so?
It infects and replace anything it comes into contact with. Though I expect with the flood the 2 would combine into something far more unstoppable and powerful.
@@generalzeta7000 that’s interesting. Although the vex do the same, plus they could simply avoid contact by the sounds of it? Especially since they’d be able to use their precognition.
that gravemind finna make me act up
It depends how advanced the flood is, if its the first encounter where they are barley able to scratch anyone then they are doomed, if its a version with a gravemind or a keymind then it would be a lot harder to take out the flood especially with the logic plague which severely fucked with cortana and that was for a little bit with the gravemind imagine how fucked she would of been if you didnt manage to get her back. Cortana is also a forerunner ai, arguably the most advanced ai there is out there in the halo universe.
Ok that's the Halo universe. Cortana ain't shit in Destiny brother.
I mean the flood could get hold of a titan or arc hunter if they try to punch the flood and that would change it to simply a gun fight plus maybe the flood would have the light or maybe even darkness when it comes to our guardian
that means all vex feel pain at the same time if one does, no? or is there lag?
The flood has no hope to fight against the vex army
Should have some flood vs taken or the hive
Next up needs to be space rhinos (cabal) vs space apes (brutes)
You should do cabal vs brutes
Do a Sparten vs Gdi commando from Tiberius wars
Gravemind, trying to use mind games: Divide 0 by 0.
The Vex: F*** off.
the vex could probably just solve those to be honest