Although it was not the Red Legion, never forget their enormous capacity for military engineering. Remember when Savathun's ship barely appeared in The Witch Queen, Caiatl's troops built a cannon the size of a skyscraper in a few moments.
Yea I find it a bit unbelievable like they set that up in about 10 minutes at least..but then we see the EDZ base and how it’s set in a lake and with a big can and oh yea carved through a mountain to make room for the landing zone.😅
@@BatMan-sg9kh they’d still be fighting on though, since Infinite their Homeworld got decimated by the Guardian bc of Cortana, but Atriox still didnt care. He only got a little pissed about it.
@pogyt4671 You missed my point entirely. There won't be a war to continue waging if the Almighty succeeds in blowing up the sun because that would decimate the entirety of the Banished forces that participated in trying to disable the Almighty.
Yep, the only stupid thing about the cabal tecnology are the shields of the phalanx of the red legion, i mean why in the bloody hell you gonna put the weak point just in the middle?, i preffer the old steel shields of D1
@@zenfaku4526 sure, but the advantage is spreading out the shield wider and you have to hit with a certain amount of force too and it can be fixed after a second or less.
True but that's when they're alone. The shield spreading out to cover other troops is likely to catch the banished off guard for a while till they figure out what to do and then relay that information back to command. @@zenfaku4526
Its what im thinking too. They have LOT in technicalities and technologies. Psions would be a nightmare due to their abilities, Interceptors are almost toe-to-toe Brute Choppers due to firepower and ability to charge and just smash and destroy things. Threshers can do strafes and air support and their damn projectiles can track, their Goliath tanks are nasty af and takes three of their thrusters just to take em down (or another tank with two shots). Imperial Land Tanks aka Rogal Dorn's favorite method of moving entire command fortresses, the Psion's OXA machine which is a clairvoyance machine. Overall they're just able to come up with tech that adapts to their situations or whatever just happened to get in their way. What they lack in variety, they make up for it in technical specifications and general usage.
Cabal are more like the imperium from Warhammer 40k, cabal soldiers are space marines, psions are psykers, cabal slug rifle is pretty much the Boltgun.
Space marines would eat the cabal for breakfast They could be a match for an ogryn tho Psions and psykers could be a closer match but any librarian/grey knight would just explode a psions mind in a second
@@karatsukiawildfemboy2326 That depend, regular space marines I think not. Cabals can physically interact with neutron star matter, Calus even eat one spoon of it.
@@karatsukiawildfemboy2326 Nah the Space Marines would have a tough fight and they'd probably lose. Space Marines being invincible is just a meme. There are more Cabal Soldiers than there are Space Marines in Warhammer 40,000 and unlike Space Marines, the Cabal actually know how technology works and can produce more of it. Imperium technology is quite trivial compared to Cabal technology. Hell the Cabal's drop pods alone would be a menace.
@@dontek3116still it’s a very interesting concept once you get into stuff like Paracausality and wether or not the warp could potentially impact or be impacted by the light or darkness powers of a guardian not to mention how cool it would be seeing a Titan throw Fists with an Astartes. in my own head cannon imagine a void warlock next to a psycher for instance. or how the imperium would view things like the hunters Golden Gun or any other Solar Subclass!
I mean the guardians would win that vs just the empire, if you add everyone else including chaos though.....The TAU might easily unite with the guardians
Just numbers wise Red Legion wins out. The Banished aren't that large of a force contrary to popular belief. Never mind that many in the Banished are effectively mercenaries.
It wasn't every really good matchup for anyone who knows two things about either faction. Its completely silly. The Covenant vs The Cabal is far more reasonable but Cabal still win ofc
Numbers don’t always mean victory. There’s many battles in sci fy and real life where a smaller force beat a larger force due to better battle tactics and strategy
@@PackHunter117 True as that may be, the banished, a force of marauders and mercenaries staffed primarily by a single species which are so deeply divided they nuked themselves back to the stone-age only a or so century ago are not going to out-maneuver an inter solar martial empire that has persisted for thousands and thousands of years.
@@troggerz5278 Thanks to intelligent leaders like formally Decimus, Escharum, and still Atriox and Avitus or Thrallslayer I’d say the Banished still has smart Brute leaders. Plus they have several former Covenant Elite leaders aswell.
The only reason why the City fell is because of the Nine. If the Guardians saw the Red Legion’s fleet coming it would’ve been a entirely different story.
@@BatMan-sg9khto be fair, the infinity is no joke in terms of space combat. That being said, this statement is really about the forces defending the infinity from boarding, which yes, are an absolute joke compared to even something like one or two mid tier guardian fireteams. The comparison still isn’t favorable to the banished.
I mean they took the city, held it for maybe a few weeks, then lost it to 1 (one) guardian with the light and the rest of the lightless guardians and civilians
Way closer than most people think. The Almighty is not a fleet asset, it required protection everywhere it went and its main deterrent was that blowing it up once linked to a star would kill the star anyways. It’s a nonfactor in such a conflict since it’s only brought in after local forces have been pacified. Honestly? I’d give this to the Banished. The Red Legion are NOT the Cabal. They’re a single detachment within the larger military. They’re good to be certain but a lot of this comes down to a couple of things that swing it in the Banished’s favor IMO. Navy and combined arms. Cabal ship scale weapons are generally small kinetic weapon batteries along the flanks of their ships from what we’ve seen, along with generous missile silos. I’m sure they have more but we’ve seen nothing comparable to UNSC MAC cannons or larger energy weapons which were generally what were needed to punch through Covenant and Banished shielding, and the Covenant even before the Banished were insanely effective in naval combat. Banished were even better, not held back by the tactical failings of the more dogmatic Covenant before them. Without the Almighty we just haven’t seen the sort of destructive power from the Cabal to suggest they’re capable of glassing entire worlds with conventional forces in the same way the Covenant fleets could, and while the Banished use some unique designs of their own make they also use almost all of the older Covenant naval assets as well. On the ground? We’ve only seen the one heavy tank variant from the Cabal and a couple of scout skimmers, easily matched if not surpassed by a civilian vehicle that the Last City modified and repurposed into a heavy battle tank. Red Legion don’t have much in regards to air superiority, relying almost entirely on their Threshers. Anyone familiar with Halo and more specifically Halo Wars can tell you how outmatched the Cabal are here. Neither the Covenant or the Banished after them skimp on their air or armor presence, and while the Cabal beat them in rapid deployment that doesn’t matter much when they have ground units capable of operating as dedicated siege and anti-ship platforms alongside a fair diverse air force able to enforce complete air superiority and a robust armor corps including the likes of Scarabs. The Cabal have no answer for these sorts of assets without involving their already equally - if not outmatched - navy, and Banished artillery and fortifications are just as good if not better with how much more willing they are to employ energy shielding in their usage.
I mean, if you really want to talk about ground units that would require naval intervention to counter - Imperial Land Tank much? Absolutely no chance that even something like a scarab is destroying that. Also, the fact that the almighty wasn’t primarily a fleet asset and required an escort everywhere it went IS true, but think about the implications of that for a moment. The escort fleet would have to be able to protect it for extended periods deep inside the coronas of its target stars, which indicates a far greater durability than pretty much any non-forerunner ships from halo.
@yourewrong9028 you also discount the fact that the Cabal forces on Phobos rigged the moon to drop from orbit on a whim and destroy Mars if they lost the seige.
@@jokerswild2380 well that was actually seemingly done telekinetically by the Psion flayers. What exactly their plan was and how they were gonna execute it was unclear, but the point is that it seems like they can psychically move moons, which like… yeah, definitely doesn’t add to the Banished’s chances lmao
Tell me you play the game and not understand the lore without telling me.... Land tanks are literally moving fortresses And the cabal have so much more in their arsenal than what we as players fight against Destiny is a 1st person shooter not a space ship battle simulator so you can only implement things on a scale a single guardian or a fireteam of 6 can take on in destinys gameplay system
@karatsukiawildfemboy2326 a scarab especially the banished one is a walking fortress heavily armored a volatile plasma beam that is actively dripping and salvos of missiles if a guardian with an explosives can take out thier vehicles then a scarab with missiles and plasma can do the same job and despite what's depicted in game it wouldn't take long for plasma to do anything since it has been depicted that just a plasma bolt can melt through a Spartans armor which is made out of titanium and cause more than lethal damage the cabul are getting dropped by normal kinetic ammo
Im pretty sure the cabal would win again the banished in almost every scenario. They have far greater firepower, technology and superweapons. In an all out space and ground battle they cabal would win. In a 1v1 between ghoul and atriach (do u spell him this way?) it would be interesting because atriach is taller land a bit stronger than ghaul but ghaul has experience as a gladiator and therefor with various weapons and combat styles.
His name is spelled Atriox for the question you asked. Atriox has experience in battles too as he and his pack brothers would be sent into the front lines to be killed off and he would always return. He has years of battling experience which is what gave him the knowledge and ability to basically make himself and his new faction at the time a formidable threat to the Covenant. Atriox also hires humans and any other species willing to join his cause. If he manages to convince the Psions to join him and rebel against the cabal, that could lean in his favor. Also even if Atriox was out, he has many leaders in charge of his forces on different divisions and such like the lekgolo Hunter pair called Colony which is in charge of all the Hunters and the variants it makes.
Ghaul died then became a powerful light being and immortal but got obliterated from existence by the Traveller. Atriox survived an explosion that destroyed a section of Zeta Halo. He was right near the explosion and all it did was give him a red eye.
On the topic of space battles the Red Legion fleet would absolutely trounce the Banished Dreadnought. The Cabal learned with the Hive that smaller ships and swarm tactics were the way to go and the larger Banishedl ships would eventually be run down by clusters of Cabal Frigates.
As far as we know, honestly the banished have stolen/plegde ships. They are still technically a new faction to the games point of view but in lore. Who knows what ships they even possess because it is still up in the air in the Halo lore side of things.
Nah u missed more oryx was mainly here for revenge he came as a avenger not a conqueror plus everything inside his throne words only happens if he wants it to he could have took there whole army if he wanted to or sent warpreist in or his daughters
You forgot about the cabal higher ups from colossus…valus,bracus and so on. They are a lot bigger than regular cabal. I’ve never played halo or had an xbox so can’t really comment on them.
I think something people tend to forget about guardians is that in the lore titans and punch and move literal mountains and other stupid and ridiculous things like that. Also keep that in mind when the cabal have been fighting and have won many times against humans Destiny and warhammer 40k i think are really similar when it comes to everything being off the walls bonkers in their worlds
I really feel like that moving mountains portion of the lore is severely overblown in its significance. And I'm pretty sure that the mountains didn't move at all, the gal just thought that since she was punching the mountain, it was therefore moving ever so slightly. And though that is impressive you're focusing on the wrong thing imo. Though I do agree destiny is very much able to contest and throw around 40k just as 40k is able to contest and throw around destiny.
In lore a warlocks void drain ability could destroy a planet if left! A hunters golden gun was so powerful it left the markings of its victims on the floor like in hiroshima.
for specifics, atriox was throwing master cchief around with ease, master chief in his suit of armor weights approximately 1.7 tons. he was lifting that with an extended arm with ease.
The Red legion would definitely have the upper hand simply just from the fact psion's exist, ships like the almighty and the entire idea of paracasual abilities. Though from raw strength of the actual races and living beings shangheli and brutes are far superior in strength to cabal and the psions. While cabal have world eaters and star destroyers, we haven't seen any other unit type besides the goliath tanks and threshers etc. So I would also have to give that to the banished (phantoms, wraiths, ghosts, locusts, scarabs, you name it) Basically, head to head combat banished win, space magic involved cabal win imo
you ever heard of a land tank, or the fact that a cabal warrior stands 3/4 taller than a sangheili, and are stronger than a brute. Also, they don't shoot bullets, every single projectile is at the very least, a micro missile.
Honestly, just my opinion but if these two factions ever met, obviously at first they would fight each other, however I think Ghaul would fight Atriox in a 1v1, and after that would probably have the banished join not only the cabal empire but possibly the red legion itself. Also in general combat, don’t forget about the cabal battlenet, which literally gives their commanders real time information about everything on the battlefield in lore. The red legion could use the information to improve their armor and tactics to deal with the banishes tactic
No chance, Cabal take this every time. Theyre just as big but MUCH more advanced technologically. Not to mention Cabal have Psions AND can combat Paracausal forces. Banished would get annihilated.
They are NOT more advanced than the Banished. I get that you probably know more about Destiny lore, and not know about Halo lore as much, but it's not even a fair fight technologically. Covenant ship shielding (and subsequently the Banished) require multiple UNSC MAC rounds to do anything to the ship. And just to clarify any man-made ship would get annihilated by a single MAC round.
Yes I know both universes lores, not just what's ingame and am more familiar with Halos lore but thanks for assuming. Yes I am aware of how powerful MAC Rounds and ODPs are. The fact the Banished shields can withstand multiple direct hits is very impressive and not something to laugh at or overlook. However you cant overlook the Paracausal powers the Psions have and the tech levels of the Cabal to be able to combat beings that defy the laws of physics. Just like what Cortana did to Doisac the Cabal would do the same but also to their sun, wiping out their space in the Universe. What good are leaders like Atriox, Pavium, Voradus, Let Volir etc if a Psion Mindflayer can just enter their minds.
@@GuschadoFring Cabal Warships are made from metal that can withstand cannon fire and even a full ramming on the dreadnaught ( AKA massive planet size Worm god that can move moons around and live in the core of gas planets)
@@gaiofattos2 Cannon fire? Seriously? One Plasma bolt from a Covenant scout ship can eviscerate a UNSC Destroyer. A shot from an energy projector on a Covenant Supercruiser can tear though multiple Covenant ships at a time. The Banished have way better tech than the Covenant and could easily destroy any Cabal warship. Especially since one guardian took out their sun imploding ship! This guy did not give the Banished enough credit when doing this video.And the Dreadnought is not a worm god. It's is a hive ship that's not the size of a planet.
@@GuschadoFring It's not comon fire, in destiny universe there are guns that can fire small black holes. There are plasma canon from jumpships and frigates that will bounce in a Cabal frigate's hull. And there are the planet busting stuff like planet cracker missiles, Leviathan or the Almighty. The Dreadnought is a segment of Akka, a massive worm god that feed from the death of civilizations from billions of years. It's extra thicc in size. But was killed by Oryx. Its not wrong to say that the Dreadnought durability is the same from the worm god itself, and it got rammed and boarded by a Cabal frigate when a comet fail to do so. Thats durability league above everthing from Halo universe have. Reck if I put the Almigthy in question, the thing take thousands, millions of warsats and all that a warmind got to be destroyed and it has the same size of Mercury.
Red legion They straight up have a larger navy and in turn larger ground force Granted their ships are definitely not as large but there is ALOT more all of which have shield which may be a factor
Bro.... Leviathan literally swallows planets Even if that is not something the red legion themselves have built they absolutely can and would have at their disposal
That's not even a comparison ngl. The red Legion have psions who use psionic warfare to just make their enemies go insane let alone a standard legionnaire has more equipment than a brute chieftain has
Hunter worms. Actually what would it even be like for a psion to go up against the Lekgolo worms themselves? I am very curious now to see how that can play out.
@@Hankthestank04 dominus ghaul is twice the size of ariox, hes thousands of years older and has way more battle experience, hes also the most skilled warrior in the cabal, fighting his way to the top through thousands of battkes
lol fanboy comment who would join him all the factions scale above the covenant vex want to transform everything so no hive he’ll no taken no fallen just care about the traveler so they want smoke scorn no and the cabal want to conquer all they don’t take well to being conquered ( eris morn)
Normal warfare, no super weapons, halo rings, or light, the Banished would barely win, some Cabal may even join the banished. 1v1 no powers or abilities, Atriox wins. But if we count everything including Halo rings, light, and the Almighty, the Red Legion win. 1v1 with powers, Ghaul wins. Also, the Red legion don't control the Leviathan, it is controlled by Calus.
Honestly? The Cabal in general could curbstomp ANYTHING short of the Forerunners in Halo. And even then, the Cabal Empire would give them a real good fight.
@@too_official6194 The Covenant has no capital system, most of the empire is located on High Charity carried by at least a thousand cruisers. High Charity and it’s fleet is alone far more numerous than the entire Cabal Empire, add to it the addition of multiple more fleets each one leaded by the most competent Sangheili. Destiny players really have no clue about Halo lore and it’s simply ranting with no fundaments against other franchises.
@@guiltyspark3434 stop the cap kid the cabal eaisly have millions of millions of units lowball I played halo all of em and knew that your just talking your ass the cabal blow up there star thus blowing up the solar system kid halo is fodder to destiny not even close
Canonical guardian wield infinite supers , imagine a thich layer of smoke covering the field and all you see is traces of goldengun shots all over the field from just a fireteam of 6
The Banished: The Kig-Yar (Jackals/Skirmishers) are simply there for the loot. All large covenant ships have some glassing capability, which can be used on other ships Banished dreadnaughts are ship sized gravity hammers Banished would repurpose any captured Cabal technology Brutes going "Ape-Shit" are a threat to everything around them The Engineers can easily upgrade anything they come across The Banished (to my knowledge) have the majority of the Halo galaxy Banished (Brute) engineering focuses primarily on violence. Stability is an after thought If the cabal have more to offer monetarily, the majority of the Kig-Yar would probably switch sides (even in the Covenant, Kig-Yar were primarily there for loot) The banished currently don't have super weapons (unless the super weapons are mentioned in the damn books) In any scenario humanity wins because plot.
The problem is that the Banished has like 10% of the forces that the Cabal have at most so the cabal would eventually win. Also please make more versus vids like Cortana vs Rasputin lol and if you do please make a playlist for them.
By tactics alone the Banished can systematically target Cabel supply lines and cut them off, it gives them the opportunity to starve Cabal Legions to capitulate or wipe them off the face of the galaxy
Up Next: Hive Fleet Leviathan v.s "Strike Force Lambda". "SFL"- A raid of set guardians. Abilities are to complement and boost one another while covering each others weaknesses an bit. Named guardians/vanguard count as do lore interactions if the other entity is part of the fireteam. (EX- Lady E and Saladin or the one warlock with his ghost override ability.) I don't expect a win just want to see how much of a dent could be made, I'd be tempted to say no Time lost or dead guardians to avoid space-time shenanigans but I don't want it to be one sided. So I'll allow D1 exotic armors as well if it works with the guardians class/abilities just go nuts.
obviously the banished win. I mean they'll get there ass handed to them in every fight, fail every strategic objective and all their field commanders will be easily assassinated ...but atriox will just magically win, you know like any true ultramarine as Matt Warded intended.
I’ll probably have to give this one to the Space Romans for the ground war, in space, im giving it to Astrox. I don’t remember reading or seeing anything like shields for the ships of the line for the Cabal…
Although i dont want to say yet who would win or lose since my knowledge of the banished is limited, you didnt factor q few things i feel: 1. The cabal engineered a device to counter and trap a paracausal machine. Even though it ultimately failed, it was still capable of channeling some of that energy, it seems. So clearly the red legion are no dummies. They have AMAZING engineers and scientists, and considering ghaul's strategical thinking, they would likely look for something to counter some of the strongest boons the banished have over them. 2. Psions are... psionic. They can induce visions, read minds... even though they don't quite stealth, they are excellent infiltrators and snipers. Their telepathy makes them excellent for strategy, and their ability to cast psionic force attacks is not to be underestimated. (A non-flying petson getting knocked into the air is an easy disorient) 3. Cabal seem to have a lot of good shield and teleportation tech. Aside from cabal teleporting away during retreats (and occassionally teleporting in, though they also often use drop-pods suggesting teleportation is an expensive choice reserved for indoor assaults, but that also suggests incredible teleport accuracy), and the presence of powerful shields on bases and soldiers (though it seems as if the average cabal ship lavks this feature... odd), the undamaged Almighty was shown to teleport away from a supernova. The cabal may initially be battered. In a surprise attack, and may struggle in situations where preserving the local area is neccessary. But once they understand the enemy, which will happen very quickly, thanks to both their stratrgists and psions, and have their guns set up, the banished will have to be on the defensive. And the red legion will be sure to push them on that. Only the fact that the banished ships use shields may give them a strong edge in space warfare, which may end up being a deciding factor
Banished took down Cortana after Doisac was destroyed by her guardians. Destroying a system a planet is only going to lead to a temporary reprieve. The entirety of the banished wouldn’t be on one planet, let alone one solar system.
@@mr.misklanius4460 That’d have to be assuming the Taken Gravemind retains some free will instead of being just a mindless slave to whoever took it, but yeah that’d be… oh man.
People forgetting that red legion got their rear ends handed to them by one guardian with light and a bunch of lightless guardians and normal humans. The cabal are often killed in large number by ordinary people like Amanda.
Ah yes, that one Guardian who has canonically killed actual GODS and Lightless guardians are still extremely proficient soldiers, they don’t suddenly lose their possibly thousand years of combat experience and they do retain quite a bit of their physical strength and speed from when they had the Light.
The Red Legion bodied the vanguard on its home turf against one of the most asymmetric armed forces in the galaxy aside from maybe the hive. The Banished on the other hand are asymmetric battle masters, but also they don’t have space magic or functional immortality. Those didn’t save the guardians so what shot do the banished have. I have to say though this is a fun thought exercise, thanks and have a pleasant day. Sincerely -The Void
Their is a very big diffrence between a big ship and a deadly ship. A crane can move more rocks around than a tank but a tank can permanently stop the crane with relative easy. Phycic powers are cool, and all but the Cabal managed to subjugate them with conventional weapons so I'd take that with a grain of salt.
The Cabal, we literally grow soldiers that have years of combat and tactical experience already inside them fresh out of the growth pod. Cabal armor also has tactical feeds that if even one of them is shot, all other Cabal know within that unit that someone was attacked and where the shot angle came from. Tanks the size of small mountains. Yea Cabal win, not even close.
I want to see something like the fallen vs something or the hive vs something from halo. Also the cabal have land tanks so the banished won’t stand a chance against those
Didn’t the Banished steal a *Precursor* Superweapon in the novel Halo Outcasts that was capable of wiping out fleets and destroying the entire surface of a planet in one shot?
I’m siding with the banished. Folks gotta remember that Atriox alone build his army from scraps. Like for example, dude was able to take covenant ships with ease and have the army side with him. Hell they even combined both covenant weapons and armor with humans weapons and armor. And we can’t sleep on the banished elites. Those motherfuckers are good at spying.
Good at spying... Psions were literally born to BE spies Cabal fleets can take over an entire solar system in days and something like leviathan eats entire planets whole Banished fleet is tiny compared to whatever the cabal can come up with in a matter of days
This may piss people off, but banished would win, because it wasnt mentioned, but the banished would be able to use there ability to adapt to use the red legion weaponry, sure the red legion has its fair share of positives to win, but the force that can adapt is more then likely to win, plus he didnt even mention the crazier stuff in halo wars 2, and trust me, there is Yes i am more Halo then Destiny, but when you want to look at the finer details, even with the Red Legions planets destroying weaponry, in the end they'll have nothing, the Banished could easily use theyre knowledge of converting foreign technology to turn said planet destroying weapons against the red legion. Yall can get understandably mad, but the Banished vs. Red Legion fight would just end up with the Banished winning, regardless of the destruction the Red Legion causes. Ofcourse i could be not knowing what im talking about, but with my current knowledge and added knowledge from this video, Banished wins almost all the time
My friend, a less supplied and more technologically primitive Cabal Legion was able to keep up with a race that causally controlled time and they were considered an average Legion. The Red Legion when they went up against said race began taking it all over and manipulating time as well, the Cabal are an extremely adaptable faction.
I would normally defend the Banished to show how they could win a battle against the Red Legion but I don’t know much about the Red Legion as I do the Banished.
Im more well versed with halo lore, but arent the banished more so like rampant pirates? Pretty sure the red legion are way more organized military wise
the average life expecancy of a cabal is 800-900 years, each soldier weighs as much as a small car, and they have a battlenet which feeds info learned from every bullet fired and damage inflicted in order to more efficiently kill the aliens they fight. it would take one battle to know everything about their enemy. and that's just the basic legions like the siege dancers and ice reapers. the higher ranking legions are tasked with asset retrieval and CELESTIAL DEMOLITON. those being the blind legion and skyburners respectfully. where does the red legion fit into all of this? they are the pinnacle of their empire. led by an emperor/dominus who has never seen defeat under his leadership, who has all the other legions weaponry at his disposal and more. including a flagship with a weapon to destabilize a star's core triggering a super nova. vs the banished, who subsist off the scraps the covenant leave behind and only became a threat when the power vacuum left from the collapse of the covenant. their gimmick is that they are an army of space pirates. not an empire (since their homeworld nuked itself) and not an army (since a lot of their arms are hired) not really a fair fight IMO though i feel as though the skyburners a more even match, only reason they lost was bc they were caught fighting an eon old god who clicked "team change" on half its legion. even with that setback they managed to fight their way to its dreadnought and came very close to destroying it. they seemed more of a worthy opponent however a fight between the red legion and covenant seem more on par with one another in terms of tactical strategy and naval warfare.
I haven't picked up Destiny 2 in forever. I'm not made of money, and I had other things to do. If I picked it up today, I wouldn't even know where to start.
Lets be clear here, this is a total stomp lorewise, and the Cabal win easily. In fact, they'd probably win against the Covenant too. They're able to go toe to toe with the Hive, who defeated the equivalent of Destiny's Forerunners (the Ecumene, literally the same name as Halo's Forerunner government), considered complete masters of the physical realm. Now the Cabal still lose against the Hive for the most part, but they can still casually blow up planets and suns, or even consume planets for fuel. It's simply not a fair point. Destiny is playing with a level of power that Halo just can't match, if only due to it being more or less space fantasy rather than hard fantasy. However. On the ground? I'm not sure. The Banished have the best chance on the ground, but even then? I don't think so. The Cabal simply have too much to deploy and use, and both sides are capable of clever tactics. I think the thing that ruins it for the Banished would be the Psion's stuff. If we even out the numbers, though, the Banished might manage it. I dunno. In terms of characters, though, even without the Light, Ghaul almost certainly takes Atriox, or any other banished, to pieces. He's bigger, he's stronger, he's got better tech, tougher, and has at least as much combat experience. With the Light? It isn't even close to fair. The one thing I'll give the Banished for sure, though, is that their in game AI is much better.
It's a scale issue, atriox is strong enough to beat Spartans but Ghaul can beat guardians and guardians are definitely stronger than Spartans. Ghaul just had that dog in him.
Red legion under ghaul fucked the Guardians and nearly winned, they have paracausal negators, better weapons and are virtually just better in everything else, in physichal combat they are better and finally they can create the largest constructs ever seen in destiny universe nearly on the sises of halo rings.
Beuh, the Cabal as an empire would survive in 40k. Maybe not become one of the biggest powerhouses, but DEFINITELY hold their own. They have what's essentially upgraded Bolters as their basic weapon (updates data on a FLEETWIDE SCALE with every shot fired; enemy armor, weak spots, gps, etc.). Cabal as a species is the same size as a Custodian and can be assumed to be as physically domineering as them in combat; the only reason we manage to hold our own against them is because of soace magic and plot armor via being the "main character" in game. They also have psuedo psyckers in the form of the Psions - while the average psion isn't as potent as a librarian, the psion FLAYERS are capable of threatening entire planets with only a group of 3 of them. The Leviathan wasn't specifically designed for war - it's the Cabal equivalant of a pleasure yacht. Imagine what actual warships are capable of, when a pleasure yacht is capable of eating planets. The ships themselves are likely armed well enough to require an entire floatilla to destroy, which is likely offset by the sheer amouny of resources required to build something of that scale.
The Leviathan is the most powerful ship they have. It was killing multiple cabal warships in the raid. Your way overestimating the cabal. Space marines are bigger and faster than their average soldiers. Their commanders can get killed by a lightless hunter with a knife. Amanda gunned multiple down by herself. There average ships don’t do a lot of damage couldn’t even take out the tower. Their Zions have no protection against warp predators or blanks. They could survive in warhammer but never thrive.
The Banished would never tolerate the Cabal, I think that they would (on the whole) be evenly matched. Certainly the Sangheli would consider the Cabal uncouth, The Jiralhanae would see themselves as equal to the Cabal, while the Kig Yar would see the Cabal as exploitable. No one would consider what the Unnghoy would think.
The Unggoy would see the masks the Cabal alway wear and wonder if they were cousins. Wouldn't be surprised if that became a point of jeering for the Banished
Ghaul literally solos the whole army and their leader all due to 1 feat from his lore. Context: Calus had a group of elite assassins known as his Shadows. One of his shadows was a literal living lightning storm in space (Destiny is crazy and i love it❤) that was so massive it called The Leviathan tiny. The ship so massive it can easily fit a few earth-sized planets in its maw at once was called TINY by this storm. The feat: Calus gives it a suit that resembles Warlock armor to inhabit for its mission to kill Ghaul. Whrn facing Ghaul, it released every last drop of its electrical energy (literally died and faded away😢) in Ghaul's face and he tanked it and survived. The massive storm that described a casual planet-eating ship as "tiny", used everything it had all at once to kill Ghaul and failed. Ghaul was not saved by anyone nor used any special tech. He was ambushed, caught off guard, and had to tanked it all and was still in good fighting condition. Conclusion: Ghaul in base easily solos with or without space magic and immortality simply due to having easily Large planetary (super lowball) to potentially solar system level durability (high ball-due to just how big the living storm potentially was) 😅. The Banish literally have nothing that can hurt him. It took a paracausal being (the Guardian) and their God (The Traveler) to kill him.
@@calus_bath_water How does a nuke to the face compare to tanking a full cosmic storm to the face. One is anywhere from city to mountain level, the other is ATLEAST large planet to potentially even solar system level.
Atriox quite literally has a similar back story to Ghaul. Only difference is atriox never took over the covenant. If the covenant couldn't take down Atriox, which is more technology advanced than the cabal, what hope does the red legion have? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@oryxkingofchads2030 I know right? I just chalk it up to bad gameplay representation. GOW suffers from not being able to sometimes properly the actual strength of a character. Kratos kills gods, yet struggles to open a box? Lol😅
btw, the cabal empire is immense af and they literally own like thousands of star systems with worlds dedicated just to storing memories and knowledge like they're worth as much as a hard drive. The cabal have also been fighting wars since the beginning of time, and their strategic knowledge is unmatched by literally anyone. They literally had an army of hundreds of thousands( a scouting force) sneak past some of the most advanced defenses ever without being noticed at all.
Idk, in terms of ground warfare. The banished would demolish the red legion. The banished just has too many different species and powerful leaders within the banished. A whole Lekgolo colony within their ranks. One scarab would be enough to decimate tons of cabal before going down. Wraith's, Marauders, reavers, locust, ghosts, choppers, and Blisterbacks. Compared to the one tank design and vehicle design cabal got. The banished just has every advantage in ground warfare. Not to mention, having Lekgolo on their side. Sangheili for stealth and swiftness. Brutes that match the cabals' strength. The banished has shielding paired with their armor.
Fun fact, Darin De Paul is the voice for both Escharum and Calus.
Although it was not the Red Legion, never forget their enormous capacity for military engineering. Remember when Savathun's ship barely appeared in The Witch Queen, Caiatl's troops built a cannon the size of a skyscraper in a few moments.
Yea I find it a bit unbelievable like they set that up in about 10 minutes at least..but then we see the EDZ base and how it’s set in a lake and with a big can and oh yea carved through a mountain to make room for the landing zone.😅
Also, Caitlal was part of the red legion as ghauls second in command so I think that Caital probably does the same in this scenario.
The Banished watching the Almighty blow up Doisac’s sun:
Their home already blew up tho. What difference would blowing up their system be if they already have their home world gone?
@thephantomx6467 It destroys everything within the solar system. You stage a war around the almighty, and the opposing force loses by default.
Facts 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@BatMan-sg9kh they’d still be fighting on though, since Infinite their Homeworld got decimated by the Guardian bc of Cortana, but Atriox still didnt care. He only got a little pissed about it.
@pogyt4671 You missed my point entirely. There won't be a war to continue waging if the Almighty succeeds in blowing up the sun because that would decimate the entirety of the Banished forces that participated in trying to disable the Almighty.
I think cabal has a large advantage in terms of technology because they did create things that counters paracasuality to a certain extent
Yep, the only stupid thing about the cabal tecnology are the shields of the phalanx of the red legion, i mean why in the bloody hell you gonna put the weak point just in the middle?, i preffer the old steel shields of D1
@@zenfaku4526 sure, but the advantage is spreading out the shield wider and you have to hit with a certain amount of force too and it can be fixed after a second or less.
True but that's when they're alone. The shield spreading out to cover other troops is likely to catch the banished off guard for a while till they figure out what to do and then relay that information back to command. @@zenfaku4526
Its what im thinking too.
They have LOT in technicalities and technologies. Psions would be a nightmare due to their abilities, Interceptors are almost toe-to-toe Brute Choppers due to firepower and ability to charge and just smash and destroy things. Threshers can do strafes and air support and their damn projectiles can track, their Goliath tanks are nasty af and takes three of their thrusters just to take em down (or another tank with two shots).
Imperial Land Tanks aka Rogal Dorn's favorite method of moving entire command fortresses, the Psion's OXA machine which is a clairvoyance machine. Overall they're just able to come up with tech that adapts to their situations or whatever just happened to get in their way. What they lack in variety, they make up for it in technical specifications and general usage.
Cam we also acknowledge how big the cabal can get (val caour)
This really got me in the mood to replay the red war arc.... oh wait
Never forget or forgive what was taken from us.
they should have just made a new game.
Cabal we're able to TRAP the light from The Guardians of The Last City. Also able to trap Hive Lightbears & have ships the SIZE of planets...
Wait fr?
@@memeprez1281calus's ship the leviathan is capable of devouring worlds like how we eat bite size chocolate candy
@@V-035 oh shit yea bruh i forgot💀
Cabal are more like the imperium from Warhammer 40k, cabal soldiers are space marines, psions are psykers, cabal slug rifle is pretty much the Boltgun.
Space marines would eat the cabal for breakfast
They could be a match for an ogryn tho
Psions and psykers could be a closer match but any librarian/grey knight would just explode a psions mind in a second
@@karatsukiawildfemboy2326 bro knows nothing about the cabal 😭 😭 😭
@@karatsukiawildfemboy2326 That depend, regular space marines I think not. Cabals can physically interact with neutron star matter, Calus even eat one spoon of it.
@@karatsukiawildfemboy2326 Nah the Space Marines would have a tough fight and they'd probably lose. Space Marines being invincible is just a meme. There are more Cabal Soldiers than there are Space Marines in Warhammer 40,000 and unlike Space Marines, the Cabal actually know how technology works and can produce more of it. Imperium technology is quite trivial compared to Cabal technology. Hell the Cabal's drop pods alone would be a menace.
God that cinematic. I miss red war campaign.
Definitely need to see a comparison like space marines vs a guardian or so sometime?
Come on now definitely guardians
@@dontek3116still it’s a very interesting concept once you get into stuff like Paracausality and wether or not the warp could potentially impact or be impacted by the light or darkness powers of a guardian not to mention how cool it would be seeing a Titan throw Fists with an Astartes.
in my own head cannon imagine a void warlock next to a psycher for instance.
or how the imperium would view things like the hunters Golden Gun or any other Solar Subclass!
Oh shit didn't know you were talking about Warhammer but still give it to gardians because they are able to revive
I mean the guardians would win that vs just the empire, if you add everyone else including chaos though.....The TAU might easily unite with the guardians
Its also kinda funny to see many of their ships wounded.
Just numbers wise Red Legion wins out. The Banished aren't that large of a force contrary to popular belief. Never mind that many in the Banished are effectively mercenaries.
It wasn't every really good matchup for anyone who knows two things about either faction. Its completely silly.
The Covenant vs The Cabal is far more reasonable but Cabal still win ofc
Numbers don’t always mean victory. There’s many battles in sci fy and real life where a smaller force beat a larger force due to better battle tactics and strategy
@@PackHunter117 True as that may be, the banished, a force of marauders and mercenaries staffed primarily by a single species which are so deeply divided they nuked themselves back to the stone-age only a or so century ago are not going to out-maneuver an inter solar martial empire that has persisted for thousands and thousands of years.
@@troggerz5278 Thanks to intelligent leaders like formally Decimus, Escharum, and still Atriox and Avitus or Thrallslayer I’d say the Banished still has smart Brute leaders. Plus they have several former Covenant Elite leaders aswell.
@PackHunter117 Fantastic they are still massively outnumbered and out powered through the cabals use if superior technology.
It took Space magic and plot armor for the Cabal to lose. The Banished have no chance against them.
Or, or…. They werent fully capable of handling/ defeating that enemy 😗
@LuckyCae ,if it wasn't for the shard of the traveler, we would have lost... it was some pretty heavy plot armor on how we got it back so soon
@@YumiDodo oorrrr.. they werent capable of
The only reason why the City fell is because of the Nine.
If the Guardians saw the Red Legion’s fleet coming it would’ve been a entirely different story.
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the red legion took the light, the banished just take scraps
Can’t compete where u can’t compare
And wiped out the infinity in about 5 mins
@@Watermeloncat575The UNSC Infinity hardly compares to the Red Legion fleet
@@BatMan-sg9khto be fair, the infinity is no joke in terms of space combat.
That being said, this statement is really about the forces defending the infinity from boarding, which yes, are an absolute joke compared to even something like one or two mid tier guardian fireteams. The comparison still isn’t favorable to the banished.
I mean they took the city, held it for maybe a few weeks, then lost it to 1 (one) guardian with the light and the rest of the lightless guardians and civilians
Way closer than most people think. The Almighty is not a fleet asset, it required protection everywhere it went and its main deterrent was that blowing it up once linked to a star would kill the star anyways. It’s a nonfactor in such a conflict since it’s only brought in after local forces have been pacified.
Honestly? I’d give this to the Banished. The Red Legion are NOT the Cabal. They’re a single detachment within the larger military. They’re good to be certain but a lot of this comes down to a couple of things that swing it in the Banished’s favor IMO.
Navy and combined arms.
Cabal ship scale weapons are generally small kinetic weapon batteries along the flanks of their ships from what we’ve seen, along with generous missile silos. I’m sure they have more but we’ve seen nothing comparable to UNSC MAC cannons or larger energy weapons which were generally what were needed to punch through Covenant and Banished shielding, and the Covenant even before the Banished were insanely effective in naval combat. Banished were even better, not held back by the tactical failings of the more dogmatic Covenant before them. Without the Almighty we just haven’t seen the sort of destructive power from the Cabal to suggest they’re capable of glassing entire worlds with conventional forces in the same way the Covenant fleets could, and while the Banished use some unique designs of their own make they also use almost all of the older Covenant naval assets as well.
On the ground? We’ve only seen the one heavy tank variant from the Cabal and a couple of scout skimmers, easily matched if not surpassed by a civilian vehicle that the Last City modified and repurposed into a heavy battle tank. Red Legion don’t have much in regards to air superiority, relying almost entirely on their Threshers.
Anyone familiar with Halo and more specifically Halo Wars can tell you how outmatched the Cabal are here. Neither the Covenant or the Banished after them skimp on their air or armor presence, and while the Cabal beat them in rapid deployment that doesn’t matter much when they have ground units capable of operating as dedicated siege and anti-ship platforms alongside a fair diverse air force able to enforce complete air superiority and a robust armor corps including the likes of Scarabs. The Cabal have no answer for these sorts of assets without involving their already equally - if not outmatched - navy, and Banished artillery and fortifications are just as good if not better with how much more willing they are to employ energy shielding in their usage.
I mean, if you really want to talk about ground units that would require naval intervention to counter - Imperial Land Tank much? Absolutely no chance that even something like a scarab is destroying that.
Also, the fact that the almighty wasn’t primarily a fleet asset and required an escort everywhere it went IS true, but think about the implications of that for a moment. The escort fleet would have to be able to protect it for extended periods deep inside the coronas of its target stars, which indicates a far greater durability than pretty much any non-forerunner ships from halo.
@yourewrong9028 you also discount the fact that the Cabal forces on Phobos rigged the moon to drop from orbit on a whim and destroy Mars if they lost the seige.
@@jokerswild2380 well that was actually seemingly done telekinetically by the Psion flayers. What exactly their plan was and how they were gonna execute it was unclear, but the point is that it seems like they can psychically move moons, which like… yeah, definitely doesn’t add to the Banished’s chances lmao
Tell me you play the game and not understand the lore without telling me....
Land tanks are literally moving fortresses
And the cabal have so much more in their arsenal than what we as players fight against
Destiny is a 1st person shooter not a space ship battle simulator so you can only implement things on a scale a single guardian or a fireteam of 6 can take on in destinys gameplay system
@karatsukiawildfemboy2326 a scarab especially the banished one is a walking fortress heavily armored a volatile plasma beam that is actively dripping and salvos of missiles if a guardian with an explosives can take out thier vehicles then a scarab with missiles and plasma can do the same job and despite what's depicted in game it wouldn't take long for plasma to do anything since it has been depicted that just a plasma bolt can melt through a Spartans armor which is made out of titanium and cause more than lethal damage the cabul are getting dropped by normal kinetic ammo
Im pretty sure the cabal would win again the banished in almost every scenario. They have far greater firepower, technology and superweapons. In an all out space and ground battle they cabal would win. In a 1v1 between ghoul and atriach (do u spell him this way?) it would be interesting because atriach is taller land a bit stronger than ghaul but ghaul has experience as a gladiator and therefor with various weapons and combat styles.
His name is spelled Atriox for the question you asked. Atriox has experience in battles too as he and his pack brothers would be sent into the front lines to be killed off and he would always return. He has years of battling experience which is what gave him the knowledge and ability to basically make himself and his new faction at the time a formidable threat to the Covenant. Atriox also hires humans and any other species willing to join his cause. If he manages to convince the Psions to join him and rebel against the cabal, that could lean in his favor. Also even if Atriox was out, he has many leaders in charge of his forces on different divisions and such like the lekgolo Hunter pair called Colony which is in charge of all the Hunters and the variants it makes.
Sorry for the rambling but TLDR, I see it as a close battle with the cabal most likely winning but the Banish possibly having a chance.
Atriox is not taller than Ghaul, 260cm vs 350-450cm (hard to nail the exact size down with ingame inconsistensies).
Gaul 1 shots him to the head
@@thephantomx6467Ghaul is taller than a hunter, Atriox gets destroyed
Fun Fact: The Almighty is around 3500km long, so I'm sure the Almighty by itself would body the banished fleet by itself.
With what? It has nothing to combat the fallen fleet. 😂
@SolusArmatura Do you know what a Psion is? The banish lose because they have killed themselves due to the psions ability of mental warfare.
Ghaul died then became a powerful light being and immortal but got obliterated from existence by the Traveller.
Atriox survived an explosion that destroyed a section of Zeta Halo. He was right near the explosion and all it did was give him a red eye.
On the topic of space battles the Red Legion fleet would absolutely trounce the Banished Dreadnought. The Cabal learned with the Hive that smaller ships and swarm tactics were the way to go and the larger Banishedl ships would eventually be run down by clusters of Cabal Frigates.
As far as we know, honestly the banished have stolen/plegde ships. They are still technically a new faction to the games point of view but in lore. Who knows what ships they even possess because it is still up in the air in the Halo lore side of things.
Nah u missed more oryx was mainly here for revenge he came as a avenger not a conqueror plus everything inside his throne words only happens if he wants it to he could have took there whole army if he wanted to or sent warpreist in or his daughters
You forgot about the cabal higher ups from colossus…valus,bracus and so on. They are a lot bigger than regular cabal. I’ve never played halo or had an xbox so can’t really comment on them.
if it was the human forerunners, the fight would be over fast
I think something people tend to forget about guardians is that in the lore titans and punch and move literal mountains and other stupid and ridiculous things like that. Also keep that in mind when the cabal have been fighting and have won many times against humans
Destiny and warhammer 40k i think are really similar when it comes to everything being off the walls bonkers in their worlds
I really feel like that moving mountains portion of the lore is severely overblown in its significance. And I'm pretty sure that the mountains didn't move at all, the gal just thought that since she was punching the mountain, it was therefore moving ever so slightly. And though that is impressive you're focusing on the wrong thing imo.
Though I do agree destiny is very much able to contest and throw around 40k just as 40k is able to contest and throw around destiny.
In lore a warlocks void drain ability could destroy a planet if left! A hunters golden gun was so powerful it left the markings of its victims on the floor like in hiroshima.
for specifics, atriox was throwing master cchief around with ease, master chief in his suit of armor weights approximately 1.7 tons. he was lifting that with an extended arm with ease.
Bro 1.7 Tons? Thought 500-600kg
@@stefwittmann94900 pounds to be exact.
I don’t think it was stated that the Cabal homeworld was lost during the events of Red War as that only happened just prior to Chosen,
The Red legion would definitely have the upper hand simply just from the fact psion's exist, ships like the almighty and the entire idea of paracasual abilities. Though from raw strength of the actual races and living beings shangheli and brutes are far superior in strength to cabal and the psions. While cabal have world eaters and star destroyers, we haven't seen any other unit type besides the goliath tanks and threshers etc. So I would also have to give that to the banished (phantoms, wraiths, ghosts, locusts, scarabs, you name it)
Basically, head to head combat banished win, space magic involved cabal win imo
Dont forget plasma weapons, lore is a lot different than gameplay
you ever heard of a land tank, or the fact that a cabal warrior stands 3/4 taller than a sangheili, and are stronger than a brute. Also, they don't shoot bullets, every single projectile is at the very least, a micro missile.
i doubt an elite is stronger than a cabal imma be real, a brute yeah
Honestly, just my opinion but if these two factions ever met, obviously at first they would fight each other, however I think Ghaul would fight Atriox in a 1v1, and after that would probably have the banished join not only the cabal empire but possibly the red legion itself. Also in general combat, don’t forget about the cabal battlenet, which literally gives their commanders real time information about everything on the battlefield in lore. The red legion could use the information to improve their armor and tactics to deal with the banishes tactic
Right off the bat, iconic Cabal Stomp.
No chance, Cabal take this every time. Theyre just as big but MUCH more advanced technologically. Not to mention Cabal have Psions AND can combat Paracausal forces. Banished would get annihilated.
They are NOT more advanced than the Banished. I get that you probably know more about Destiny lore, and not know about Halo lore as much, but it's not even a fair fight technologically. Covenant ship shielding (and subsequently the Banished) require multiple UNSC MAC rounds to do anything to the ship. And just to clarify any man-made ship would get annihilated by a single MAC round.
Yes I know both universes lores, not just what's ingame and am more familiar with Halos lore but thanks for assuming. Yes I am aware of how powerful MAC Rounds and ODPs are. The fact the Banished shields can withstand multiple direct hits is very impressive and not something to laugh at or overlook.
However you cant overlook the Paracausal powers the Psions have and the tech levels of the Cabal to be able to combat beings that defy the laws of physics. Just like what Cortana did to Doisac the Cabal would do the same but also to their sun, wiping out their space in the Universe. What good are leaders like Atriox, Pavium, Voradus, Let Volir etc if a Psion Mindflayer can just enter their minds.
@@GuschadoFring Cabal Warships are made from metal that can withstand cannon fire and even a full ramming on the dreadnaught ( AKA massive planet size Worm god that can move moons around and live in the core of gas planets)
@@gaiofattos2 Cannon fire? Seriously? One Plasma bolt from a Covenant scout ship can eviscerate a UNSC Destroyer. A shot from an energy projector on a Covenant Supercruiser can tear though multiple Covenant ships at a time. The Banished have way better tech than the Covenant and could easily destroy any Cabal warship. Especially since one guardian took out their sun imploding ship! This guy did not give the Banished enough credit when doing this video.And the Dreadnought is not a worm god. It's is a hive ship that's not the size of a planet.
@@GuschadoFring It's not comon fire, in destiny universe there are guns that can fire small black holes.
There are plasma canon from jumpships and frigates that will bounce in a Cabal frigate's hull.
And there are the planet busting stuff like planet cracker missiles, Leviathan or the Almighty.
The Dreadnought is a segment of Akka, a massive worm god that feed from the death of civilizations from billions of years. It's extra thicc in size. But was killed by Oryx. Its not wrong to say that the Dreadnought durability is the same from the worm god itself, and it got rammed and boarded by a Cabal frigate when a comet fail to do so.
Thats durability league above everthing from Halo universe have.
Reck if I put the Almigthy in question, the thing take thousands, millions of warsats and all that a warmind got to be destroyed and it has the same size of Mercury.
Red legion
They straight up have a larger navy and in turn larger ground force
Granted their ships are definitely not as large but there is ALOT more all of which have shield which may be a factor
Bro....
Leviathan literally swallows planets
Even if that is not something the red legion themselves have built they absolutely can and would have at their disposal
If a ghost met Master Chief he would be like aw hell yeah. Naw you ain't gotta be dead.
our ghost did meet master chief. its in some dialog in d1 and d2, our ghost claims he would have resurrected him but he wanted to sleep
@@ZhaloSupercell1 I do remember that! It was lore for the Forunner sidearm.
That's not even a comparison ngl. The red Legion have psions who use psionic warfare to just make their enemies go insane let alone a standard legionnaire has more equipment than a brute chieftain has
Hunter worms. Actually what would it even be like for a psion to go up against the Lekgolo worms themselves? I am very curious now to see how that can play out.
Man you have bevome my absolut favourite lore content creator. Keep up the amazing vids
Caital vs Atriox? Good fight ,but I think Cabal would prevail. Just like Sanghili vs Eliksni
If you don't give him space magic I think Ariox demolishes he's such a good fighter
@@Hankthestank04 dominus ghaul is twice the size of ariox, hes thousands of years older and has way more battle experience, hes also the most skilled warrior in the cabal, fighting his way to the top through thousands of battkes
@@ZhaloSupercell1 Atriox is what dominus ghaul is for the brutes. pretty sure if he was a cabal he would be in the top ranks.
Really enjoyed this video keep it up awesome work
Remember how big the bond brothers where, they would put the hurt on the banished
Atriox would definitely end up recruiting some of the Destiny universe to his cause.
lol fanboy comment who would join him all the factions scale above the covenant vex want to transform everything so no hive he’ll no taken no fallen just care about the traveler so they want smoke scorn no and the cabal want to conquer all they don’t take well to being conquered ( eris morn)
He's weaker then a single psion.
Normal warfare, no super weapons, halo rings, or light, the Banished would barely win, some Cabal may even join the banished. 1v1 no powers or abilities, Atriox wins. But if we count everything including Halo rings, light, and the Almighty, the Red Legion win. 1v1 with powers, Ghaul wins. Also, the Red legion don't control the Leviathan, it is controlled by Calus.
Honestly? The Cabal in general could curbstomp ANYTHING short of the Forerunners in Halo. And even then, the Cabal Empire would give them a real good fight.
The Cabal are nowhere near the Forerunners, The Cabal are lesser faction than the Covenant.
@@guiltyspark3434cap the forerunners body but the covenant are fodder kid they blow up there solar system
@@too_official6194 The Covenant has no capital system, most of the empire is located on High Charity carried by at least a thousand cruisers.
High Charity and it’s fleet is alone far more numerous than the entire Cabal Empire, add to it the addition of multiple more fleets each one leaded by the most competent Sangheili.
Destiny players really have no clue about Halo lore and it’s simply ranting with no fundaments against other franchises.
@@guiltyspark3434 stop the cap kid the cabal eaisly have millions of millions of units lowball I played halo all of em and knew that your just talking your ass the cabal blow up there star thus blowing up the solar system kid halo is fodder to destiny not even close
@@guiltyspark3434 the cabal kill guardians which are litteraly gods. the covenant get beaten up by a guy on steriods
As much as I would like to say the Banished. The Cabal and the Red Legion have fought paracausal forces. It's going to be the Red Legion
Very cool video, now i wonder how the Covenant would fair against a UNSC with the last city and Guardians being added to their (unsc) forces
Canonical guardian wield infinite supers , imagine a thich layer of smoke covering the field and all you see is traces of goldengun shots all over the field from just a fireteam of 6
@@JJARCHIE or imagine a brute chieftain gets into a hammer fight with a Sunbreaker Titan
The Banished:
The Kig-Yar (Jackals/Skirmishers) are simply there for the loot.
All large covenant ships have some glassing capability, which can be used on other ships
Banished dreadnaughts are ship sized gravity hammers
Banished would repurpose any captured Cabal technology
Brutes going "Ape-Shit" are a threat to everything around them
The Engineers can easily upgrade anything they come across
The Banished (to my knowledge) have the majority of the Halo galaxy
Banished (Brute) engineering focuses primarily on violence. Stability is an after thought
If the cabal have more to offer monetarily, the majority of the Kig-Yar would probably switch sides (even in the Covenant, Kig-Yar were primarily there for loot)
The banished currently don't have super weapons (unless the super weapons are mentioned in the damn books)
In any scenario humanity wins because plot.
Flood wins 😅
I just imagine a cabal centurion with a shield... just a "COME HERE" as they absolutely ragdoll most of the Halo species 😂
I love my boy satiric, BUUUT they aren’t beating the Cabal War Machine.
The Red legion is just WAY TOO technologically suppressive.
I always noted that the Cabals look like a hybrids of a Jiralhnaee and a Ungooy.
What if they formed an alliance it would be an unstoppable force
The Consul didn’t watch his tone…he got these hands…that guardian to…and Atriox can catch these hands too😂
When I first played destiny 2 my first thought was this feels like fighting brutes from halo
So when are we getting a full story video on the Cabal like the Elkisni?
The problem is that the Banished has like 10% of the forces that the Cabal have at most so the cabal would eventually win. Also please make more versus vids like Cortana vs Rasputin lol and if you do please make a playlist for them.
Let’s not forget numbers the cabal we’re fighting in entire other galaxies and had planets dedicated to storage
if the traveler didn't blast that light off, would the witness have found us?
Eventually yes, it’s forces were already moving in our direction, the light pulse just sped things up.
I have something better: The Covenant vs the Cabal.
By tactics alone the Banished can systematically target Cabel supply lines and cut them off, it gives them the opportunity to starve Cabal Legions to capitulate or wipe them off the face of the galaxy
Red legion solo
In all my years living on this planet I never thought I’d see legion and solo in one sentence
Ghaul during his peak vs all banished
Ghaul solos
Up Next: Hive Fleet Leviathan v.s "Strike Force Lambda".
"SFL"- A raid of set guardians. Abilities are to complement and boost one another while covering each others weaknesses an bit. Named guardians/vanguard count as do lore interactions if the other entity is part of the fireteam. (EX- Lady E and Saladin or the one warlock with his ghost override ability.)
I don't expect a win just want to see how much of a dent could be made, I'd be tempted to say no Time lost or dead guardians to avoid space-time shenanigans but I don't want it to be one sided. So I'll allow D1 exotic armors as well if it works with the guardians class/abilities just go nuts.
obviously the banished win. I mean they'll get there ass handed to them in every fight, fail every strategic objective and all their field commanders will be easily assassinated ...but atriox will just magically win, you know like any true ultramarine as Matt Warded intended.
We are Cabal, we eat the mountains, we drink the sea!
I’ll probably have to give this one to the Space Romans for the ground war, in space, im giving it to Astrox. I don’t remember reading or seeing anything like shields for the ships of the line for the Cabal…
The very first mission in Destiny 2 has us boarding a Cabal ship in order to disable its shields, most Cabal warships have shields.
cabal are my FAVOURITE
Although i dont want to say yet who would win or lose since my knowledge of the banished is limited, you didnt factor q few things i feel:
1. The cabal engineered a device to counter and trap a paracausal machine. Even though it ultimately failed, it was still capable of channeling some of that energy, it seems. So clearly the red legion are no dummies. They have AMAZING engineers and scientists, and considering ghaul's strategical thinking, they would likely look for something to counter some of the strongest boons the banished have over them.
2. Psions are... psionic. They can induce visions, read minds... even though they don't quite stealth, they are excellent infiltrators and snipers. Their telepathy makes them excellent for strategy, and their ability to cast psionic force attacks is not to be underestimated. (A non-flying petson getting knocked into the air is an easy disorient)
3. Cabal seem to have a lot of good shield and teleportation tech. Aside from cabal teleporting away during retreats (and occassionally teleporting in, though they also often use drop-pods suggesting teleportation is an expensive choice reserved for indoor assaults, but that also suggests incredible teleport accuracy), and the presence of powerful shields on bases and soldiers (though it seems as if the average cabal ship lavks this feature... odd), the undamaged Almighty was shown to teleport away from a supernova.
The cabal may initially be battered. In a surprise attack, and may struggle in situations where preserving the local area is neccessary. But once they understand the enemy, which will happen very quickly, thanks to both their stratrgists and psions, and have their guns set up, the banished will have to be on the defensive. And the red legion will be sure to push them on that. Only the fact that the banished ships use shields may give them a strong edge in space warfare, which may end up being a deciding factor
Banished took down Cortana after Doisac was destroyed by her guardians. Destroying a system a planet is only going to lead to a temporary reprieve. The entirety of the banished wouldn’t be on one planet, let alone one solar system.
How’s this for a comparison? The Flood vs the Taken
Oh god. What would a Taken Gravemind be capable of???
@@mr.misklanius4460 That’d have to be assuming the Taken Gravemind retains some free will instead of being just a mindless slave to whoever took it, but yeah that’d be… oh man.
The banished lose to the red legion, the red legions leaders lose to the Banished’s leaders
People forgetting that red legion got their rear ends handed to them by one guardian with light and a bunch of lightless guardians and normal humans. The cabal are often killed in large number by ordinary people like Amanda.
You say that like the banish wouldn't get absolutely stomped by that same guardian 😂😂😂😂
Ah yes, that one Guardian who has canonically killed actual GODS and Lightless guardians are still extremely proficient soldiers, they don’t suddenly lose their possibly thousand years of combat experience and they do retain quite a bit of their physical strength and speed from when they had the Light.
The Red Legion bodied the vanguard on its home turf against one of the most asymmetric armed forces in the galaxy aside from maybe the hive. The Banished on the other hand are asymmetric battle masters, but also they don’t have space magic or functional immortality. Those didn’t save the guardians so what shot do the banished have. I have to say though this is a fun thought exercise, thanks and have a pleasant day.
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Their is a very big diffrence between a big ship and a deadly ship. A crane can move more rocks around than a tank but a tank can permanently stop the crane with relative easy. Phycic powers are cool, and all but the Cabal managed to subjugate them with conventional weapons so I'd take that with a grain of salt.
The Cabal, we literally grow soldiers that have years of combat and tactical experience already inside them fresh out of the growth pod. Cabal armor also has tactical feeds that if even one of them is shot, all other Cabal know within that unit that someone was attacked and where the shot angle came from. Tanks the size of small mountains. Yea Cabal win, not even close.
This was a pretty great video
I want to see something like the fallen vs something or the hive vs something from halo.
Also the cabal have land tanks so the banished won’t stand a chance against those
Didn’t the Banished steal a *Precursor* Superweapon in the novel Halo Outcasts that was capable of wiping out fleets and destroying the entire surface of a planet in one shot?
It’s time for a DEATH BATTLE!
I’m siding with the banished. Folks gotta remember that Atriox alone build his army from scraps. Like for example, dude was able to take covenant ships with ease and have the army side with him. Hell they even combined both covenant weapons and armor with humans weapons and armor. And we can’t sleep on the banished elites. Those motherfuckers are good at spying.
Good at spying...
Psions were literally born to BE spies
Cabal fleets can take over an entire solar system in days and something like leviathan eats entire planets whole
Banished fleet is tiny compared to whatever the cabal can come up with in a matter of days
The red legion fought people with magic and gods and the banished fought the Spartans and their own kind the Red Legion will win
This may piss people off, but banished would win, because it wasnt mentioned, but the banished would be able to use there ability to adapt to use the red legion weaponry, sure the red legion has its fair share of positives to win, but the force that can adapt is more then likely to win, plus he didnt even mention the crazier stuff in halo wars 2, and trust me, there is
Yes i am more Halo then Destiny, but when you want to look at the finer details, even with the Red Legions planets destroying weaponry, in the end they'll have nothing, the Banished could easily use theyre knowledge of converting foreign technology to turn said planet destroying weapons against the red legion. Yall can get understandably mad, but the Banished vs. Red Legion fight would just end up with the Banished winning, regardless of the destruction the Red Legion causes. Ofcourse i could be not knowing what im talking about, but with my current knowledge and added knowledge from this video, Banished wins almost all the time
My friend, a less supplied and more technologically primitive Cabal Legion was able to keep up with a race that causally controlled time and they were considered an average Legion.
The Red Legion when they went up against said race began taking it all over and manipulating time as well, the Cabal are an extremely adaptable faction.
I'm not going to lie it's definitely a fight I would love to see
Definitely
its more of a slaughter
I would normally defend the Banished to show how they could win a battle against the Red Legion but I don’t know much about the Red Legion as I do the Banished.
Im more well versed with halo lore, but arent the banished more so like rampant pirates? Pretty sure the red legion are way more organized military wise
the average life expecancy of a cabal is 800-900 years, each soldier weighs as much as a small car, and they have a battlenet which feeds info learned from every bullet fired and damage inflicted in order to more efficiently kill the aliens they fight. it would take one battle to know everything about their enemy. and that's just the basic legions like the siege dancers and ice reapers. the higher ranking legions are tasked with asset retrieval and CELESTIAL DEMOLITON. those being the blind legion and skyburners respectfully. where does the red legion fit into all of this? they are the pinnacle of their empire. led by an emperor/dominus who has never seen defeat under his leadership, who has all the other legions weaponry at his disposal and more. including a flagship with a weapon to destabilize a star's core triggering a super nova.
vs
the banished, who subsist off the scraps the covenant leave behind and only became a threat when the power vacuum left from the collapse of the covenant. their gimmick is that they are an army of space pirates. not an empire (since their homeworld nuked itself) and not an army (since a lot of their arms are hired)
not really a fair fight IMO though i feel as though the skyburners a more even match, only reason they lost was bc they were caught fighting an eon old god who clicked "team change" on half its legion. even with that setback they managed to fight their way to its dreadnought and came very close to destroying it. they seemed more of a worthy opponent
however a fight between the red legion and covenant seem more on par with one another in terms of tactical strategy and naval warfare.
Monke vs naked mole rat
Turtle
I haven't picked up Destiny 2 in forever. I'm not made of money, and I had other things to do.
If I picked it up today, I wouldn't even know where to start.
Lets be clear here, this is a total stomp lorewise, and the Cabal win easily. In fact, they'd probably win against the Covenant too. They're able to go toe to toe with the Hive, who defeated the equivalent of Destiny's Forerunners (the Ecumene, literally the same name as Halo's Forerunner government), considered complete masters of the physical realm. Now the Cabal still lose against the Hive for the most part, but they can still casually blow up planets and suns, or even consume planets for fuel. It's simply not a fair point. Destiny is playing with a level of power that Halo just can't match, if only due to it being more or less space fantasy rather than hard fantasy.
However. On the ground? I'm not sure. The Banished have the best chance on the ground, but even then? I don't think so. The Cabal simply have too much to deploy and use, and both sides are capable of clever tactics. I think the thing that ruins it for the Banished would be the Psion's stuff. If we even out the numbers, though, the Banished might manage it. I dunno.
In terms of characters, though, even without the Light, Ghaul almost certainly takes Atriox, or any other banished, to pieces. He's bigger, he's stronger, he's got better tech, tougher, and has at least as much combat experience. With the Light? It isn't even close to fair.
The one thing I'll give the Banished for sure, though, is that their in game AI is much better.
If it was hand to hand Ghaul would curb stomp Atriox HAVE YOU READ THIS MANS COMBAT LORE
It's a scale issue, atriox is strong enough to beat Spartans but Ghaul can beat guardians and guardians are definitely stronger than Spartans.
Ghaul just had that dog in him.
@@Zachary_McLaren Fr 😂
Edit: even when we had light he tanked that shi like it was nothing
One can kill a titan one can kill a spartan
UNSC vs Vanguard next?
Both ghaul and atriox pushin the main character off space ships at the start of the game.
Red legion under ghaul fucked the Guardians and nearly winned, they have paracausal negators, better weapons and are virtually just better in everything else, in physichal combat they are better and finally they can create the largest constructs ever seen in destiny universe nearly on the sises of halo rings.
They would become friends and ape out on humanity
Beuh, the Cabal as an empire would survive in 40k. Maybe not become one of the biggest powerhouses, but DEFINITELY hold their own.
They have what's essentially upgraded Bolters as their basic weapon (updates data on a FLEETWIDE SCALE with every shot fired; enemy armor, weak spots, gps, etc.).
Cabal as a species is the same size as a Custodian and can be assumed to be as physically domineering as them in combat; the only reason we manage to hold our own against them is because of soace magic and plot armor via being the "main character" in game.
They also have psuedo psyckers in the form of the Psions - while the average psion isn't as potent as a librarian, the psion FLAYERS are capable of threatening entire planets with only a group of 3 of them.
The Leviathan wasn't specifically designed for war - it's the Cabal equivalant of a pleasure yacht. Imagine what actual warships are capable of, when a pleasure yacht is capable of eating planets. The ships themselves are likely armed well enough to require an entire floatilla to destroy, which is likely offset by the sheer amouny of resources required to build something of that scale.
The Leviathan is the most powerful ship they have. It was killing multiple cabal warships in the raid. Your way overestimating the cabal. Space marines are bigger and faster than their average soldiers. Their commanders can get killed by a lightless hunter with a knife. Amanda gunned multiple down by herself. There average ships don’t do a lot of damage couldn’t even take out the tower. Their Zions have no protection against warp predators or blanks. They could survive in warhammer but never thrive.
Straight away, the thicc rhino king 🤴
cabal wins low diff but if banished also had covenant and/or UNSC allies theyd win very high diff
The red legion have far more firepower and number's this fight would basically be the battle of Tannenberg a slaughter.
One has a system killer the other doesn’t
You cannot give Halo rings to the Banished especially when they've been in full control of one. Nor would ever actually use it.
The Banished would never tolerate the Cabal, I think that they would (on the whole) be evenly matched. Certainly the Sangheli would consider the Cabal uncouth, The Jiralhanae would see themselves as equal to the Cabal, while the Kig Yar would see the Cabal as exploitable. No one would consider what the Unnghoy would think.
The Unggoy would see the masks the Cabal alway wear and wonder if they were cousins. Wouldn't be surprised if that became a point of jeering for the Banished
Ghaul solos all the banished and it’s not even close 😂
I feel the ones from destiny are like space dudes with magic, and halos are just space monkeys. no magic.
Red legion will win cause they have drop pods. I've seen drop pods wipe out entire fire teams.
As a fan of both, i can definitely tell that the banished would win
Red Legion SOLOES
Ghaul literally solos the whole army and their leader all due to 1 feat from his lore.
Context:
Calus had a group of elite assassins known as his Shadows. One of his shadows was a literal living lightning storm in space (Destiny is crazy and i love it❤) that was so massive it called The Leviathan tiny. The ship so massive it can easily fit a few earth-sized planets in its maw at once was called TINY by this storm.
The feat:
Calus gives it a suit that resembles Warlock armor to inhabit for its mission to kill Ghaul. Whrn facing Ghaul, it released every last drop of its electrical energy (literally died and faded away😢) in Ghaul's face and he tanked it and survived.
The massive storm that described a casual planet-eating ship as "tiny", used everything it had all at once to kill Ghaul and failed. Ghaul was not saved by anyone nor used any special tech. He was ambushed, caught off guard, and had to tanked it all and was still in good fighting condition.
Conclusion:
Ghaul in base easily solos with or without space magic and immortality simply due to having easily Large planetary (super lowball) to potentially solar system level durability (high ball-due to just how big the living storm potentially was) 😅. The Banish literally have nothing that can hurt him. It took a paracausal being (the Guardian) and their God (The Traveler) to kill him.
I mean atriox litterally survived a nuke to the face
@@calus_bath_water How does a nuke to the face compare to tanking a full cosmic storm to the face.
One is anywhere from city to mountain level, the other is ATLEAST large planet to potentially even solar system level.
Bruh, only if Ghaul was that strong when we fought him
Atriox quite literally has a similar back story to Ghaul. Only difference is atriox never took over the covenant. If the covenant couldn't take down Atriox, which is more technology advanced than the cabal, what hope does the red legion have? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@oryxkingofchads2030 I know right? I just chalk it up to bad gameplay representation. GOW suffers from not being able to sometimes properly the actual strength of a character. Kratos kills gods, yet struggles to open a box? Lol😅
btw, the cabal empire is immense af and they literally own like thousands of star systems with worlds dedicated just to storing memories and knowledge like they're worth as much as a hard drive.
The cabal have also been fighting wars since the beginning of time, and their strategic knowledge is unmatched by literally anyone.
They literally had an army of hundreds of thousands( a scouting force) sneak past some of the most advanced defenses ever without being noticed at all.
Idk, in terms of ground warfare. The banished would demolish the red legion. The banished just has too many different species and powerful leaders within the banished. A whole Lekgolo colony within their ranks. One scarab would be enough to decimate tons of cabal before going down. Wraith's, Marauders, reavers, locust, ghosts, choppers, and Blisterbacks. Compared to the one tank design and vehicle design cabal got. The banished just has every advantage in ground warfare.
Not to mention, having Lekgolo on their side. Sangheili for stealth and swiftness. Brutes that match the cabals' strength. The banished has shielding paired with their armor.
this would be SICK to see lol
The Banished are outnumbered, and outmatched against the Red Legion